Chris Benoit found dead (From WWE.com)

[mrslackalack]

On the Backlash 04 DVD he is on the cover by himself

[Arnold HamNegger]

Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something. :lol:

:lol:

"BAW GAWD, 'Wrestler Society X' is about to make HHH tap out!"

[Xero]

"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

From PWInsider.

LOL

[YOUR Hero]

Nancy Grace is out of touch on so many topics she tries to cover.

[McLegend]

Yeah a lot of this Media coverage is terrible.

I know people view wrestling as a total joke and a waste of time which it might be, but c'mon at least do some research.

[weather vane]

Vinny Mac will be on the Today show tomorrow morning.

[darkpower]

About some new info:

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[Londoner]

^ Wow thats interesting.

[Arnold HamNegger]

You know, no matter how much TV coverage and internet articles/conversations I read...this still isn't sinking in. It's like my eyes are watching all this, but my brain is in a state of disbelief that this could possibly be real. The only other time in my life that I can say this type of feeling has come over me was on 9/11.

It's just beyond bizarre that in a world full of tragic deaths, purposely ridiculous storylines, continuity fuck ups, jackassicly stupid booking scenerios, etc.......Benoit's life has the most unbelievable ending of them all.


Noone would ever dream of even suggesting this as a fictional angle because noone would believe it...and people agreed to run with Kurt Angle beastiality sex and Katie Vick.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

From PWInsider.

LOL

LOL

Someone get a clip, there is no WAY she said that :D

[SammyG]

lol Nancy. Benoit woulda put her in the Strangler if he woulda heard that. BAH GAWD NANCY AIN'T TAPPIN' OUT, HE'S CHOKIN HER.

[D Mac]

Hell, they may not even release the Summerslam and Survivor Series sets due to this shit.

[Jeritron]

They'll find a way around this shit.

They can just take his matches off the card. He's only been in main events of ppvs a limited amount of time. Some of which during brand extension featured more than one world title match which could allow for rearranging and deletion of that title match.
Matches will be lost, but they already have been by the cloud over them, and they're being taken out for good reason.
Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

Most of his other ppv matches will be easy to take out without it being noticeable.

As for his inclusion in montages and the like, that's easy as hell to change. Mention of him in other matches commentary can be easily deleted or dubbed out.

And as for his presence on upcoming career dvd sets...If a wrestler is worthy of a career dvd set, then its not gonna depend on just matches with Benoit. There should be plenty of matches with others to use instead. Normally, some would be worthy to be on there, but not anymore.
Matches again are lost, and in a way it's "not fair" to the set or the wrestler, but that's the way it is. I'm sure most if not all of the wrestlers would prefer their match with him left off since matches on dvd sets are their favorite or most meaningful matches.
For instance, take a Jericho dvd set. A shit ton of great matches will be lost, but that's how its gotta be. They're no longer great and no longer have a place. The wrestler worthy of a dvd set will have plenty else to draw from.

This will take effort on the part of WWE home video, but it can be done

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

[Jeritron]

Vince was just on Today show

Very well spoken, the bitch attacked him with false and misleading information. He remained calm and spoke very well.
Referred to Benoit as a monster which I think is right.

very good work by Vince. But unfortunately no matter how right he is, how well he speaks, how many good points he makes, how many debates he wins, or how much good he does...they always have, currently are, and always will try to paint him as the bad guy.

[Londoner]

Yeah it was the person that was the murderer, not the wrestler...

[Jeritron]

the fucking morons tried to put a spin on Owen's death. They counted it as a heart attack death in their assault on steroids.

[ford fairlane]

I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.


It seems Chris finally done something that the wwe finally take huge umbridge with,i know it is a shocking crime but the company welcome with open arms alcoholics,druggies,wife beaters et all.
It sort of sends the message that killing your family is heinous but everything else is ok,we can still make a shit load of cash from you,maybe thats the real reason behind them erasing him from everything.
As i cant see the wwe suddenly developing scrupples

[Jeritron]

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They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.

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[ford fairlane]

To a certain extent they deal with it when the whole world knows that the person in question has a problem,take the stone cold situation beat his wife got chased down with the cops,going by his ex-wifes words used roids,but still they welcome him back with open arms.
The real point of this seems to be if the erase chris benoit they absolve themselves,people are focusing on the use of steroids,should they not be also looking at the pressure wrestlers are put under by management.

It is so easy to label someone a monster and be done with it,but to be honest you have to look at what made the person become a monster as well,im sure when more comes out they will be plenty of blame to go around,but the buck stops with chris i know this most people know this,but i think most people want to know why,what made him snap in such a explosive fashion.

[Jeritron]

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[addy2hotty]

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They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.

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So the WWE have had morals all along? I find that hard to believe. Masters rapid size change after Eddie's death is not natural. I don't know whether or not the WWE encourage the use of steroids/painkillers by glossing over the use with a 'prescribed to' stamp.

The sort of attitude we're seeing is that it's ok to juice, to ravage your body with painkillers - as long as you don't kill anybody. It's only business after all.

[Jeritron]

He wasn't talking about steroids. He was talking about domestic abuse, alcohol, and 'druggies' which obviously referred to recreational drug use.
He made no reference to steroids

What the fuck is your problem?

[Jeritron]

p.s.

Every one of us have known about steroid use and the 'ravaging' of bodies since as long as we have known about wrestling. Suddenly we have morals?? All of a sudden we can drop the hammer and point fingers and say, oh it didn't matter to us before but it does now? Or is the claim that they've been bad all along and should be judged as so, even though we haven't cared all along and now you're condemning them?

I agree there should be changes, but come on.

[Jeritron]

Stone Cold is gonna be on Regis and Kelly. It's on right now, I don't know what time he's coming on. Clearly on hand to talk about the incident. Unless of course he's on to announce the long awaited DVD release of the 3-disc The Condemned Extended Directors Cut.

[Jeritron]

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[Theo Dious]

Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.

[Marc the Smark]

There are fascinating articles all over the web that explain why Benoit may have done what he did. I posted them on here but someone decided to delete them.

Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven'
By Eliza Barlow, SUN MEDIA

Chris Benoit may have been so depressed that he believed his family would be “better off in heaven” when he allegedly murdered his wife and son before killing himself, says an expert on murder-suicide. WWE wrestler Benoit, his wife Nancy and son Daniel, 7, were found dead Monday in their suburban Atlanta home.

Local police are treating the case as a murder-suicide.

Dr. John Bradford, associate chief of the integrated forensic program for the Royal Ottawa Health Care Group, said murder-suicides that wipe out a family are most often carried out by the father.

“The most usual cause is a major depression, normally a severe one with psychotic features,” said Bradford, also a professor of forensic psychiatry at the University of Ottawa.

“They sort of start to think, in this psychotic thinking, that the whole family would be better off in heaven ... That, ‘This is a horrible place, I think we’d all be better off dead.’”

Psychiatrists commonly refer to murder-suicide as “extended suicide,” when the killer decides life is not worth living, he said.

Police in Georgia say they will be investigating whether steroid use was a factor in the case.

Prescription anabolic steroids were found in the home.

Bradford said steroid use carries “a lot of baggage” when it comes to psychiatric health because the drugs alter brain and body chemistry.

“People that abuse steroids carry with them an increase risk of rage and rage attacks. There’s also an increased risk of depression, so it’s kind of a double whammy.”

Dads who decide to kill their kids often turn to methods such as smothering because they don’t want the children to suffer, said Bradford.

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Apparently Benoit felt, in his twisted mind, that he was doing the right thing by taking his son with him.

[Jeritron]

I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.


Eh, he did it again at 22, and was pinned cleanly at 21. He also won the match at 16, 19 and 18.
I know what you're saying, and either way I'm just saying I don't think it would be hard for them to edit things out, nor would it be that devestating to anyones legacy other than Benoit's

[Theo Dious]

Actually editing DVDs would also have the unintended but still existing effect of making the original unedited ones instant collector's items. Just putting that out there.

Also, I have a feeling I might not be able to so much as give away my damn Benoit DVD, much less make money for it at a used place.

[owenbrown]

Here is a recap of the Benoit tragedy being debated on Around the Horn yesterday for those who don't have or don't want ITunes or the podcasts or don't watch ESPN.

Panelists: J.A. Adande(former Los Angeles Times columnist), Jay Mariotti (Chicago Sun-Times), and Michael Smith(ESPN)


OUT OF BOUNDS: How does Chris Benoit's death reflect on the WWE? [non-scoring topic]
Adande notes a disturbing trend among wrestlers in general: since 1985, 63 wrestlers have died before age 50. Furthermore, after staging the "death" of Vince McMahon, the WWE needs to ask themselves what kind of values they represent. Mariotti is disgusted with McMahon's statement denying that steroids factored in Benoit's death before the final toxicology report. Between baseball and this, he says it's time for the goverment to step in. Smith calls it premature to connect this murder-suicide to steroids, but the HGH needle found in the arm of the 7-year-old son Benoit also killed is circumstantial evidence to Jay.


Additions: Mariotti said how dare Mcmahon try to protect his company, and mention Eddie's death in '05 mentioning steroids(although he forgot to mention Eddie was clean and sober at his death and only his past caught up to him years later) and Curt Henning in '03(steriods too, although he didn't mention the fact Henning also died of cocaine as well) Mariotti stretching the truth once again... no wonder sports fans in Chicago hate him.:n:

[Londoner]

Marlotti needs to fuck off by the sounds of it. All these news reporters just want the WWE to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of the Benoits family deaths. That's fucking low if you ask me.

[RP]

HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

[Innovator]

Mariotti bows down to Woody Paige, everyone knows that.

[Theo Dious]

All these news reporters just want anyone and anything to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of any sort of tragedy that unfolds. That's fucking low if you ask me.

Fixed.

[James Steele]

I hate ATH. They always shit on Woody Paige.

[James Steele]

Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.

[road doggy dogg]

HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

hahaha oh christ :rofl:

[Jordan]

I just wish this would go away

[DCXtreme]

Its being said he killed his son with a choke hold :\

[Arnold HamNegger]

I was watching some news reports last night that I had recorded and then that Linkin Park song "What I've Done" came on the radio. When they showed a clip of Benoit hugging/kissing his son in the ring after winning the belt I just started crying.

They lyrics of the song with this scenerio is just :'(





















FUCK YOU BENOIT FOR MAKING ME EMO! :foc:

[owenbrown]

:y::y::y: Innovator and JamesSteele

[owenbrown]

HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

You have a weird sense of humor, RP :o

[Kris P Lettus]

Fox News is saying that authorities raided Benoits personal doctor's office..

[Innovator]

Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.Got Wood-y?

[Inadequacy]

BOY I HOPE NOT!

[RP]

BENOIT DIDNT DO THAT SHIT MANNNNN

[Xero]

The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.

[Theo Dious]

That's... odd... god dammit, why does this have to keep getting freaky. Hopefully it was just some stupid ass.

[Blitz]

Goddamn. This just keeps getting weirder.

[Felipewcw]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.



Is this along with the Wikipedia post 14 hours before the bodies were found offer the ray of light for the Benoit-Didn't-Do-It fans?

Man, if WWE could make storylines like these I know where I would be every Monday and Friday night.

[RP]

It was the Undertaker for sure.

[Xero]

Wow, two deaths in about two weeks both linked to Sullivan.

Probably just a coincidence.

[Kris P Lettus]

The Taskmaster

[Theo Dious]

Oh good Lord, this is getting out of hand. :nono:

[RP]

MOTHER FUCKING KEVIN SULLIVAN. HE FUCKING DID IT I KNOW IT!

[RP]

Kevin Sullivan showed up to the house and wrote the Benoit family into a storyline where he kills them all. Benoit, the pro's pro, didnt complain obviously.

Case closed. Someone go find the Taskmaster.

[RP]

This wikipedia thing is freaking me out. What are the odd that the IP was from Stamford,CT. If this is a work, i'll fucking riot.

[D Mac]

The butler did it.

[DCXtreme]

That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

[RGWhat316]

This shit is just too out of control. Most everyone has been saying of how a monster did this sort of thing, but no one has ever believed that Chris could be that type of person. I'm not 100% against Benoit on this, and thinking there could be other situations involved. But damn, i've heard of reasons of how he didn't do it, and reasons why he did. So I really don't know what to think until everything is out in the open.

[James Steele]

Is this Wikipedia thing legit?

[Theo Dious]

That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
>>>
"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
>>>
"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?

[DCXtreme]

Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
>>>
"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
>>>
"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?

True, just really weird how it was from stanford. of all the places in the USA / World .. it would be interesting to see what other posts that IP address made.

[Theo Dious]

Very true

[RGWhat316]

There is one more article I found at pwheadlines.com that makes me think something else may have happened.

Bob Ryder at 1wrestling.com recently spoke with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit, there were apparently warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. One person who wanted to remain nameless said:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

[Arnold HamNegger]

The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.


Yeah, I was gonna post this! HOLY SHIT is right man!! This is just fucked up. I don't see how or why any of this happened, but I REALLY FAIL to see how making a Wikipedia update becomes first priority at WWE headquarters if someone indeed had the information.

[Jordan]

This Wikipedia thing needs to be investigated hardcore, this could mean that it wasn't a suicide at all.

[Reavant]

HOLY CRAP!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
Thursday, June 28, 2007

By Blane Bachelor

E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
AP


Chris Benoit
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.

[Felipewcw]

He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them.
Even more evidence against <del>the butler</del> Kevin Sullivan! :eek:

Seriously though, even the split second thought that Benoit wasn't a baby eater made me feel a little bit better. :'(

[Cactus Sid]

I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

[Loose Cannon]

this is crazy. Is Fox news just making shit up now? They're good at that.

[Felipewcw]

about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

:y: :y:

[Loose Cannon]

I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

lol, wtf?

[Xero]

It almost seems like it was someone who was just fucking around and happened to be right. Either way he's in some deep shit.

[Kris P Lettus]

He was also right about Stacy Keibler...

[Jordan]

This is silly

[James Steele]

I knew RP had something to do with this.

[#1-norm-fan]

He was also right about Stacy Keibler...

:lol:

Yeah, being right once is a coincidence... twice makes you wonder...

[RP]

Fuck cunt..
Whip ass..
Ram said cock up said ass...


Yah that about sums it up

[Disturbed316]

I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

lol I bet that was RVD.

This Benoit thing seems to be getting more and more strange by the day.

[Skippord]

To be honest he was right all three times

:shifty:

[KingofOldSchool]

That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

But Rick Steiner was holding back Edge and Christian, not Chris Benoit. :shifty:

[Blue Demon]

It was the Undertaker for sure.
no...it's the Boogeyman...cuz he's coming to get us :roll:

[#1-norm-fan]

Don't know if anyone else watches the Pro Wrestling Report online but the new show is up. Obviously it's all about Benoit. Pretty good show.

http://pwrshow.com/TVshows.htm

[ford fairlane]

This whole thing gets stranger by the day,and to quote just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
As for the post on wiki i just don't believe in coincidence's

[loopydate]

I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.


Absolutely agreed here, and not just because I'm a loyal subject in Jabba's court.

The circumstances are different (so before I get Jeritron telling me I'm a retard for equating this vicious psycho killer who deserves to rot in hell and never should have existed, hear me out), but this reminds me a lot of what Hollywood tried to do after 9/11.

Almost any major-studio release that was to come out in the last quarter of 2001 that was set in New York was delayed. The Spider-Man teaser trailer was removed from theaters so that they could remove a shot that had Spidey catching a helicopter in a web between the Towers.

What happened was horrific, and Chris Benoit's life will forever be tainted. However, we can't pretend he never existed. Chris Benoit was not an unperson. He was one of the biggest stars in the industry. Should he be glorified? Absolutely not! Remove his name from the DVD listings. Stop selling his merchandise.

But don't pretend that he never wrestled because of what happened. I can't imagine how much of an uproar if the NFL decided to just not acknowledge aspects of, say, the 1973 Pro Bowl. Yes, the man who won Player of the Game wound up murdering his wife and her lover, but the game still happened. Just like the Benoit/Michaels/HHH match at WrestleMania happened. As such, it needs to be included in any sort of "historical" reference to the event, including video releases.

This isn't about WWE making money off of the career of a murderer. This is basic common sense saying "Hey, let's not get any closer to being an Orwellian society than we already are."

[Jeritron]

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[Splaya]

Oh man, I will watch it to see Chris :(

[Hired Hitman]

I see a lot of people making judgments, I prefer to wait until all the evidence has been collected and assessed, don't underestimate the toxicology reports, they may contain valuable evidence.

[Skippord]

Jericho looked pissed off

[mrslackalack]

Jericho also informed Nancy on how WWE is 3 set up of 3 Brands RAW, Smackdown, ECW. lol He also confirmed Benoit was going to win the ECW title Sunday

[mrslackalack]

Jericho did seem mad that Benoit did it. He also mentioned how at WM 20 how his 1 and a half yr old son talked better than Daniel who was 4 at the time and he said Benoit never told no1 about Daniel having Fragile X

[mrslackalack]

WWE has removed everything from Benoit and Nancy off WWE 24/7

[Arnold HamNegger]

Oh man, they said that there was a little wrestler figurine of his Dad by Daniel near him in his bed. :'(


This whole situation is turning me into such an emo bitch. :nono:

[Londoner]

It just seems like someones made Benoit out to be a murderer to me, i can't see benoit doing this..or maybe i just don't want to.

[chrisat928]

Ok, they said he was found hanging from one of those weight machines that use the pullies and weight plates, right?

Those machines have a long grip bar, and a steel cable.

How did he hang himself from that? He weighed 235 lbs, or somewhere close to that, which means the weight would have to be at least double that to hold him up, right? So that would be at least 470 lbs. How would he be able to pull down the grip bar far enough, and hold long enough to wrap it around his neck? He should have a bruise on his body, and maybe his face, from where the grip bar snapped back and hit him as it jerked him up. Also brusing around his neck from the cord.

[Londoner]

^ Interesting..if thats the case then that is some evidence to work with that the killer(assuming its not benoit) must've missed.

[DCXtreme]

They prob got it wrong, he prob just detached the cable and tied it around a beam.

[Blue Demon]

What Exactly is a "Wrestling" Choke HOld? Part 1
By Hunter Golden, Wrestleview.com

Chris Benoit and his family are dead, but really, we’ve all lost our heads.

Mick Foley always said the real world was a lot faker than wrestling and I’ve got a feeling he’s right and almost to a scary degree. After all, Chris Benoit proved to be far more of a fraud as a man than he ever could have been as a wrestler.

Because of Benoit, the ‘sport’ of pro wrestling is in serious jeopardy. If anyone’s to ‘blame’ for anything, it’s the rabid wolverine, who in real life is more like the cowardly lion. So as angry as we wrestling fans may get about the media coverage and the absolute hack job on the WWE, you can rest the responsibility all at the feet of one man: Chris Benoit. His actions may sadly cost a lot more than just his family’s lives. Thanks to the guy who supposedly represented everything that pro wrestling was supposed to be about, we now have an utterly incompetent batch of boobs investigating a case that’s clearly above their mental acuity to solve and a media storm that may be enough to hurt WWE stock to the degree that wrestling could forever lose it’s foothold as an anchoring form of television entertainment.

That being said…

Because it seems that very few have any interest in sticking up for pro wrestling in any shape or form, I’d like to take the opportunity to speak my peace about the utterly appalling coverage on the part of the national news media regarding the whole Benoit ‘investigation’ and attempt #678,441,334 to rake pro wrestling over the coals on the part of the national news media. It’s high time other spineless, publicity loving wrestling reporters tried to do the same.

I’ve seen some pretty intense and wild media hack jobs in my time, but this one ladies and gentleman, may take the taco. The crappy investigating and shoddy reporting should be looked upon as almost as embarrassing as Chris Benoit’s actions. Really, this column is no more than a semi-organized rant, but someone’s got to at least ATTEMPT to defend pro wrestling in a semi-coherent manner.

Perhaps the most interesting claim on the part of the police and national news media is the claim that Chris Benoit killed his son with a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Did I miss something? When did wrestling get credited with inventing the concept of choking a human being? What exactly is a ‘wrestling’ choke hold and how does it differ from a ‘real’ choke hold? How do the police break the angles down to determine that Benoit used a ‘wrestling’ choke hold on his son? Did they use a ruler to determine it? Wait, and isn’t wrestling NOT REAL? Like as in wrestling is fake, so the choke hold shouldn’t hurt as opposed to a real one (not wrestling) that does hurt? Are human beings that stupid these days?

Nearly as entertaining has been the re-emergence of Debra and Chyna. One woman’s claim to fame is her incredibly plastic boobies and the other’s perhaps best known for taking in the butt from X-Pac and snorting a ton of coke. Every circus side-show that’s got a grudge against Vince McMahon is coming out of the woodwork, but the media seems utterly disinterested in anyone who’d dare support the WWE, or pro wrestling in general. To the mainstream media, apparently nothing screams credibility like getting slammed in the butt by X-Pac.

You’d figure the media would be more cutting-edge and mod. After all, steroids are so 15 years ago. Why haven’t we heard about the piles of pain killers and anti-depressants taken out of Benoit’s house? Instead, we just hear about the anabolic steroids that were legally prescribed. Nothing pricks up ears like the word ‘steroids’.

The investigation, for the most part, has been pretty third rate, too. They’ve changed the timeline of events close to 10 times now and the more police investigate this case, the less they actually seem to know. First Nancy Benoit was left strangled in the middle of her television room floor, but now we’re hearing it was at the top of the stairs. First it was just strangulation but now we’re finding out her head was in a puddle of blood. The son went from being suffocated with a pillow to being killed in a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Do these morons really know ANYTHING right now, much less enough to be talking to an utterly listless and brain dead media?

Perhaps what’s even more hilarious is a fundamentally irresponsible media and police force attempting to hold folks responsible for Benoit’s actions. If the WWE is to blame for any steroid use amongst its wrestlers, then shouldn’t Major League Baseball or The National Football League be held responsible for Barry Bonds’ steroid abuse? What constitutes an ‘active’ wrestler? And no, Meredith, Owen Hart didn’t die from a heart attack. He died from a stunt gone bad. You’d figure at least the ‘Today Show’ would take a swing at research.

All these questions that are just so easy to answer if the media would take the opportunity to listen for a change. Are steroids a problem in wrestling? Steroids are still prevalent in wrestling today. However, they’re not nearly as prevalent as they were 10 years ago because the demand for smaller, more athletic and durable wrestlers has done a lot to phase out most of the need for anabolic steroids. Pain killers are a huge problem. Depression is an even bigger problem. Want to know what happened to Chris Benoit? It might be advisable to start there.

And how about not releasing information until the autopsy results are in? It’s obvious the police really DON’T have much of an explanation for what happened. To anyone who knew the guy or closely followed his career, these guys would just be joining the club But what D.A. would let that get in the way of becoming a media star!?

People like Debra and Chyna get lots of airtime on mainstream news networks because they fit the perceived mold of what most pro wrestlers are, or in the media’s eyes, should be: Retarded, mostly made of plastic, and did I mention completely drugged up and, before I forget, retarded?

They also love to hammer Vince McMahon because of one reason: Money. Wrestling is almost always a sure fire way to make money and cultivate a stable viewing audience on any network. Pro Wrestling was one of the first stable broadcasts in TV history. It was cheap to produce and people watched it in droves. It literally kept the DuPont Network alive for five years. When people are watching wrestling, they’re not watching steaming piles of dog-____ like Nancy Grace, Geraldo Rivera, Al Franken or Bill O’Reilly. So the best thing to do is demonize wrestling and make people who watch it feel stupid for watching it. That way, they’ll come and watch them. Don’t ever expect the media to ever give McMahon a get out of jail free card based on money interests alone, Especially Ted Turner-owned CNN.

We get all of this insanity and more. All thanks to Chris Benoit. I’ll have more to say eventually, when I’m a little less ticked off.

NOTE: The views expressed in this column are not the views of WrestleView.com and its immediate staff.

source:http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1183089529.shtml

I think, although as he admits he's rambling a bit, he's kinda right.

[Theo Dious]

That was the greatest thing I've read all week. :y:

[Arnold HamNegger]

That's pretty solid. :y:

The investigation, for the most part, has been pretty third rate, too. They’ve changed the timeline of events close to 10 times now and the more police investigate this case, the less they actually seem to know. First Nancy Benoit was left strangled in the middle of her television room floor, but now we’re hearing it was at the top of the stairs. First it was just strangulation but now we’re finding out her head was in a puddle of blood. The son went from being suffocated with a pillow to being killed in a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Do these morons really know ANYTHING right now, much less enough to be talking to an utterly listless and brain dead media?


Yeah, this aspect is really ridiculous and makes everyone involved seem like Barney Fife. You'd think with a case this high profile and emotionally charged, they'd have their shit together alot more and at least be more cautious about what details are released. And let's face it, the one thing in this whole scenerio that SHOULD NOT CHANGE are the details of how the bodies were found. That is the only black/white issue involved in this. Everything else is speculation, but the speculation is born from what should be the never changing staples of information concerning the cold hard facts of what was found. For example, how the flying blue winged fuck can you shift from her body being found in the office floor to the top of the stairs? THESE FACTS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE UP FOR DEBATE!

This is real life, not some TV miniseries drama purposely drawn out with misinformation to create an increased public media buzz to your respective media outlet. Out of simple respect for the surviving family members, whose emotions are all ready in a hellish blender to begin with, GET YOUR INFORMATION STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT!

Tuesday - Thursday I have not gotten one consistent report from any of the various channels that have been reporting this story. Hell, Tuesday when I got home from work and turned on CNN, they were running at the bottom ticker that reports proved Daniel was killed Friday, Nancy on Saturday and Chris killed himself Sunday. That goes against every piece of information given out before then and even after then! SO HOW IN THE HELL WAS IT NOT SCREENED AND QUESTIONED BEFORE BEING PUT ON TV?!?! It's not like this is some podunk network, this is CNN we're talking about!

And don't even get me started on why I have to sit through 1-2 continues hours of Paris Hilton shit before I get a measely 3-5 minute blurb of information on this situation. Our society is severely going the direction of Hell's fiery overflowing commode if a spoiled brat bitch's interview and analysis of said interview with Larry King is dominating our media broadcasts!

Fucking ridiculous on so many levels. In an already confusing situation, we may never know any semblence of truth or explanation because of all this incompetence with the investigators and the media. The Benoit family seems doomed to forever be burried under a cloak of speculation.

[NeanderCarl]

Something really doesn't smell right about this whole thing, ya know... I'm not neccessarily saying he didn't do it - I'm not markish enough to paint Benoit the person with the same brush as Benoit the on-screen good guy character - but there seems to be a lot of confusion with this situation. Things are being covered up, others sensationalised... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Theo Dious]

Something really doesn't smell right about this whole thing, ya know... there seems to be a lot of confusion with this situation. Things are being covered up, others sensationalised... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

It makes perfect sense when you realize that that is the standard of reporting in the world today.

[Londoner]

Great article from that Hunter guy, he went Alienoid on their asses!

[Corkscrewed]

Wikipedia thing was just a coincidence

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Benoit's dad hopes tests explain killings



ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit's father said Friday that he was eager to see whether chemical tests can help explain why Benoit killed his wife and son and committed suicide, acts that the wrestler's father said he had no clue were coming.


Michael Benoit said by phone from his home in Alberta, Canada, that his family is shocked and in disbelief over the slayings.


"We have no understanding of why it happened," he said. "We need some time to gather our thoughts and wait and see. There's still more information that's going to come out from toxicology tests that will give us some understanding of why this happened."


Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the killings, which took place last weekend. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."


Chris Benoit strangled his wife and 7-year-old son, placing Bibles next to their bodies, before hanging himself on the cable of a weight-machine in his home, authorities said. No motive was offered for the killings.


Investigators had not discovered the bodies Monday when someone altered Benoit's Wikipedia entry to mention his wife's death, authorities said.
An anonymous user with the same IP address as the person who made the edits confessed early Friday on an online discussion page attached to the Web site, saying the changes were based on rumors and speculation, not hard evidence.


The authenticity of the posting could not immediately be confirmed.
"I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it," the user wrote.


According to Wikinews, an online news source connected to Wikipedia, the Internet protocol address of the individual is identical to that of the user who edited Benoit's profile early Monday morning. An IP address is a unique series of numbers carried by every machine connected to the Internet.
Benoit's page on Wikipedia, a reference site that allows users to add and edit information, was updated at 12:01 a.m. Monday, about 14 hours before authorities say the bodies were found. The reason he missed a match Saturday night was "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy," it said.
Wikipedia confirmed the authenticity of the time stamp and said the entry was made by someone using an IP address registered in Stamford, Connecticut, where World Wrestling Entertainment is based. The anonymous user acknowledged being from Stamford, but claimed no connection to WWE.


Wikipedia referred further questions to authorities investigating the deaths. Messages left for Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard were not immediately returned Friday.


WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt said that to his knowledge, no one at the WWE knew Nancy Benoit was dead before her body was found Monday afternoon. Text messages released by officials show that messages from Chris Benoit's cell phone were being sent to co-workers a few hours after the Wikipedia posting.


On Thursday, federal agents said they had raided the west Georgia office of a doctor who prescribed testosterone to Benoit, said agent Chuvalo Truesdell, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration. No arrests were made during the raid at Dr. Phil Astin's office late Wednesday into Thursday.


Hours before the raid, Astin told The Associated Press he had treated Benoit for low testosterone levels, which he said likely originated from steroid use.


Among other things, investigators were looking for Benoit's medical records to see whether he had been prescribed steroids and, if so, whether that prescription was appropriate, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because records in the case remain sealed.


Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit, a longtime friend, in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office June 22.


Michael Benoit, who lives near Edmonton in Ardrossan, said the test results, which could take several weeks to be completed, "could give us closure." He said his son had seemed fine when they spoke on Father's Day, and had even said he regretted having to work instead of spending the day with his family.


"That really wouldn't give you an indication of someone who would do what he did a week later," the father said.

[Erebus]

Dunno if anyone's seen this yet, or cares, but it was sent to me so I figured I'd pass it along.

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[Skippord]

He has a point :shifty:

[Theo Dious]

I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case

The sad thing is, this could be said of MOST people who post to Wikipedia.

And I'm off for the weekend, bye all. :wave:

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know, I don't want to stir shit where I have no real idea what I'm talking about, but one thing confuses me. Chavo has been to Benoit's home before. Johnny Ace is head of talent relations. Both should know his address... Why did Benoit text his address to them then?

[Londoner]

^ I also found that odd.

[NeanderCarl]

Vince did specify that it was a "new" home in his opening statement on Raw. Maybe they had only recently moved.

Also, how many times have you been to somebody's house without knowing the exact address? I could physically take you to many of my friends' houses, right to their doors, but if you asked me to actually write down their address I could maybe give you the street name, and nothing else.

[Splaya]

Dunno if anyone's seen this yet, or cares, but it was sent to me so I figured I'd pass it along.

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This combined with WWKD's response really makes me wonder

[chrisat928]

I had no idea Kevin Sullivan was a satanist.
He has a Where Are They Now profile on WWE,com, and they didn't mention it.

[Splaya]

I'm a huge believer that if the toxicology report comes back and steroids were not in his system (hard to believe I know) but I would take this as a possibility that Sullivan did this. I've read a lot of Hunter Golden's articles and whereas he does ramble, he is dead on.

And another thing. How come we have not heard about where Sullivan was when all this went on. I'm not trying to stir shit, I just don't think that the police have the right information about Sullivan and what his role in the past was with the Benoit's

[Arnold HamNegger]

I had no idea Kevin Sullivan was a satanist.
He has a Where Are They Now profile on WWE,com, and they didn't mention it.

Well, he actually was going to be the one that blew up Vince and the Satanist thing was gonna be part of the big announcement.

[chrisat928]

Well, he actually was going to be the one that blew up Vince and the Satanist thing was gonna be part of the big announcement.
:?: :?: :?:

[Arnold HamNegger]

:shifty:

[chrisat928]

:rofl:

[NeanderCarl]

Sullivan had a satanist gimmick, he's not really a satanist.

And why would Sullivan, who is now (presumably happily) remarried, suddenly decide to take revenge against Benoit over a decade later?

Clutching at straws, people.

[NeanderCarl]

Although I have to laugh at the fact that some news sources are noting that both Nancy Benoit and Sensational Sherri died within a week of each other, and both apparently have past romantic links with Sullivan. He must feel like shit right now.

That, or he's sitting at home elated, wondering who he's going to exact revenge on next.

Watch out, Hogan!

[ford fairlane]

Vince did specify that it was a "new" home in his opening statement on Raw. Maybe they had only recently moved.

Yet the press reported he moved there a year or so ago.

NeanderCarl

And why would Sullivan, who is now (presumably happily) remarried, suddenly decide to take revenge against Benoit over a decade later?

Yeah because getting dumped by your wife for a workmate who then get married is something people get over everyday,not saying he did anything but that sort of pain and humiliation stays around for a long time.

[RGWhat316]

There is still just too much stuff that doesn't make sense. Somehow I keep holding out that Chris did not do all of this. I'm not trying to be too hopeful, but seeing as if no one knows of Chris to do something like this, and the facts that keep getting changed, I just don't know. It's a possibility.

[NeanderCarl]

Well... I can't see Chris Benoit being a murder victim... it would take a lot to restrain a guy like him in order to imply a suicide.

The only slight off-chance is that Nancy and Daniel's deaths were not his doing, and he killed himself upon finding them dead. That is a hugely unlikely scenario, and what's more, if that was the case, surely he would leave a note of explanation or something to confirm his innocence before killing himself. Stands to reason.

[ford fairlane]

Who is to say he didnt leave a note??
reading almost everything on the web,from here to wwe and other wrestling sites to press sites,as im sure a lot of us has been doing since this happened.

Can anyone please tell me a timeline and list of events that actually make sense on planet earth.

[G]

yeah i'm not going to bother reading this whole thread, but did vince say anything about this on tv. like, did this pretty much ruin his own death work.

[NeanderCarl]

Yes, he did. And, by the look of it, the "Vince is Dead" angle is well and truly off.

Interesting to see whether they will drop it entirely as if it never happened, leave Vince off TV for several months and pick it back up down the line when the storm has blown over, continue it but without the veiled references to Vinnie Mac "presumably" being dead, or rush the conclusion as soon as possible (again, I assume, with the "death" element removed in the interests of taste).

One option I left out was "continue the storyline, as if nothing had happened"... surely they wouldn't do that... would they??

[IC Champion]

LOL, at someone thinking Sullivan is an actual Satanist.

[mrslackalack]

Jericho is now on Fox News.

[mrslackalack]

I think he texted the address to the guys because he wanted the bodies to be found ASAP

[IC Champion]

Besides, if it was Kevin Sullivan, he would have been hung from the Tree of Woes and not a weight machine......

[94 SVT Cobra]

supposedly sullivan is really a high ranking member of the church of satan...kinda fucked up if its true which i doubt it is.


Also, i totally spaced out Mike awsome killed himself a while ago, sorry to all for making that thread. I really just thought he did it recently, this is why drugs are bad. sorry again.

[Skippord]

I still bet that there is a note somewhere in those Bibles

[Arnold HamNegger]

I still bet that there is a note somewhere in those Bibles

Yeah and I'm pretty sure it says, "Thou shall not kill."

[Arnold HamNegger]

LOL, at someone thinking Sullivan is an actual Satanist.

That would make the investigation pretty easy. Just see if there are burn marks on his hands from the Bibles.

[Skippord]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure it says, "Thou shall not kill."
I thought it was Thou shall kill" ....wait maybe Benoit read it all wrong and thought god was telling him something

[Arnold HamNegger]

I thought it was Thou shall kill" ....wait maybe Benoit read it all wrong and thought god was telling him something

"Thou shall crossface thy enemy and deliver a flying headbutt off thy holy stairs."

[DCXtreme]

Well... I can't see Chris Benoit being a murder victim... it would take a lot to restrain a guy like him in order to imply a suicide.

The only slight off-chance is that Nancy and Daniel's deaths were not his doing, and he killed himself upon finding them dead. That is a hugely unlikely scenario, and what's more, if that was the case, surely he would leave a note of explanation or something to confirm his innocence before killing himself. Stands to reason.

Its 100% unlikely because he said to chavo / a co-worker that nancy was in hospital when he never called 911, and she NEVER was admitted to a hospital.

[Arnold HamNegger]

Its 100% unlikely because he said to chavo / a co-worker that nancy was in hospital when he never called 911, and she NEVER was admitted to a hospital.

Have you ever tried calling 911? They could have died while he was waiting for a response. Maybe after waiting on hold for 2 days straight, Benoit became delirious and sent 5 text messages with his address to the wrong people.

(After 48 hours on hold, Benoit grabs Nancy's phone and dials 911.)

Operator: "Hello, 911."

Benoit: "Yes, my address is...."

Operator: "Sorry sir, but we already have you on hold."

(Click)

Benoit: " DAMNIT!!!!" :foc:

[DCXtreme]

Nope, cus i live in the uK :)

[apokalypse7]

I originally wanted to reserve comments until all of the facts were out, but I don't think that I can stand it anymore.

So what do we know for sure? three people are dead. it's tragic. One current Actor, one former actor, and their child. I'd like the toxicology report to come out, and I'd like the authorities to release more information. That wiki poster BS is throwing everyone off. Until more comes out, I will not officially say that benoit is an asshole or a victim. he's just dead. I am christian, and i do believe in judgement, so i'll take solace in the fact that the higher power that i believe in will make benoit tap if he did this shit.
(that's a funny visual!!!)

On the other hand, let's not make this muthafucker our Wrestling Elvis (or Tupac for my brothas)! He busted chops in the ring, period. I respect that. That's all I knew of him. that's all YOU knew of him. Let that be enough.
No more conspiricay theories, no more Satanist stuff. It's not even our place to judge! Good night,
I'll sit back and await my neg reps....

[addy2hotty]

I originally wanted to reserve comments until all of the facts were out, but I don't think that I can stand it anymore.

So what do we know for sure? three people are dead. it's tragic. One current Actor, one former actor, and their child. I'd like the toxicology report to come out, and I'd like the authorities to release more information. That wiki poster BS is throwing everyone off. Until more comes out, I will not officially say that benoit is an asshole or a victim. he's just dead. I am christian, and i do believe in judgement, so i'll take solace in the fact that the higher power that i believe in will make benoit tap if he did this shit.
(that's a funny visual!!!)

On the other hand, let's not make this muthafucker our Wrestling Elvis (or Tupac for my brothas)! He busted chops in the ring, period. I respect that. That's all I knew of him. that's all YOU knew of him. Let that be enough.
No more conspiricay theories, no more Satanist stuff. It's not even our place to judge! Good night,
I'll sit back and await my neg reps....

Your whole post judges him, you absolute cretin.

You won't officially (Im sure the world is hanging on your official word) call him an 'asshole' but 'muthafucker' is ok?

I won't even get started on Tupac. :nono:

[KingofOldSchool]

Have you ever tried calling 911? They could have died while he was waiting for a response. Maybe after waiting on hold for 2 days straight, Benoit became delirious and sent 5 text messages with his address to the wrong people.

(After 48 hours on hold, Benoit grabs Nancy's phone and dials 911.)

Operator: "Hello, 911."

Benoit: "Yes, my address is...."

Operator: "Sorry sir, but we already have you on hold."

(Click)

Benoit: " DAMNIT!!!!" :foc:

*Benoit calls 911*

Operater: "911, what's your emergency."

Benoit: "My wife and kid is de.."

Operator: "I'm sorry sir please hold on for a minute, we're taking these calls in order of importance."

Benoit: "But my wife and kid are DEAD!"

Operator: "You're not Paris Hilton are you?"

Benoit: "What the hell?!?! My name is Chris Benoit."

Operator: "Who?"

Benoit: "I'm a wrestler fo..."

Operator: "I'm sorry Mr. Beknot, we're dealing with a major emergency right now. Paris Hilton just called us saying that she wrecked her car and broke her nail in three places. We have to tend to her first."

*Operator hangs up*

*Benoit hangs himself*

[RP]

"Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him and made him watch the Vengence PPV. After sitting through that 3 hrours of torture, Benoit probably went and killed himself by hanging himself in the basement."

[apokalypse7]

Your whole post judges him, you absolute cretin.

You won't officially (Im sure the world is hanging on your official word) call him an 'asshole' but 'muthafucker' is ok?

I won't even get started on Tupac. :nono:


I call everybody a muthafucker, he had a kid didn't he? the kid had a mother?

Mother fucker! see. if you're heterosexual, you're a muthafucker. think about it.

I personally loved to watch benoit work. I loved him as one of the only good horsemen that was added on. I loved how he pulled three and four star matches out of jobbers. I loved how he was making MVP, my mark out choice, look like a real MVP. While I respect benoit's body of work, I don't know if he went on a killing rampage. That isn't for me to judge, once again.

[apokalypse7]

And no, I'm not anyone important. I'm no authority. I am not a big deal on this site. We have the likes of FunkyFly, BDC, KK, and KOOS that ME this spot (that really isn't sarcasism). I was just adding the simple point that none of us are up to date with credible facts. and the vast majority of the posts are peppered with "could've, if, maybe" and other speculative words.

I guess opinions really are like assholes.... Eh addy? you opinon!:wave:

[St. Jimmy]

The only thing I'm wondering now is why did Beniot have to do this, and Hogan couldn't.

:D

[apokalypse7]

FINALLY!!!! that is a question we should all be asking. THAT would be a hell of a finale for Hogan Knows Best!

[I Love Alexandria]

Didn't Chavo say in his video he spent the last night with Chris? So why isn't that being looked into or wouldn't he have known that the wife and son were dead?

[The Naitch]

"Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him and made him watch the Vengence PPV. After sitting through that 3 hrours of torture, Benoit probably went and killed himself by hanging himself in the basement."


wtf RP, I don't even know if you were serious there or not

[NeanderCarl]

Didn't Chavo say in his video he spent the last night with Chris? So why isn't that being looked into or wouldn't he have known that the wife and son were dead?

Nah, he just said he had stayed with him in the past.

[KingofOldSchool]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3772/benoitcrimesceneer8.jpg

I found this on RP's MySpace page. :shifty:

[chrisat928]

You know this is probably in this thread, but I don't want to look for it, so here it is.

I hate the news media. I was watching Nancy something on CNN interviewing people about the Benoit thing, and noticed that when ever someone was giving her an answer that she didn't want, the show went to commericial, often, less than a minute after coming back from commericial. Alot of it was people not wanting to lay the blame on the roids, or when they started talking about how much of a family man Benoit was.

[Arnold HamNegger]

*Benoit calls 911*

Operater: "911, what's your emergency."

Benoit: "My wife and kid is de.."

Operator: "I'm sorry sir please hold on for a minute, we're taking these calls in order of importance."

Benoit: "But my wife and kid are DEAD!"

Operator: "You're not Paris Hilton are you?"

Benoit: "What the hell?!?! My name is Chris Benoit."

Operator: "Who?"

Benoit: "I'm a wrestler fo..."

Operator: "I'm sorry Mr. Beknot, we're dealing with a major emergency right now. Paris Hilton just called us saying that she wrecked her car and broke her nail in three places. We have to tend to her first."

*Operator hangs up*

*Benoit hangs himself*

:lol: @ "Mr. Beknot"

This is sad, but true...DAMN TRUE.

[KingofOldSchool]

:lol: @ "Mr. Beknot"

This is sad, but true...DAMN TRUE.

It's an emergency...a DAMN EMERGENCY!

[Arnold HamNegger]

It's an emergency...a DAMN EMERGENCY!

Call 91...DAMN 1!

[mrslackalack]

Its eerie that 10 yrs ago this week was when Sullivan/Nancy split up

[mrslackalack]

What happened was tragic, but its awful that we will likely never see any more Benoit matches on a WWE DVD.

[NeanderCarl]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3772/benoitcrimesceneer8.jpg

I found this on RP's MySpace page. :shifty:

That's rough.

[NeanderCarl]

Its eerie that 10 yrs ago this week was when Sullivan/Nancy split up

Coincidence???? I think not! All signs point to the Taskmaster!

Benoit was framed, I tell thee.

That murdering, satanist bastard...!

[darkpower]

Its eerie that 10 yrs ago this week was when Sullivan/Nancy split up

But alas, they won't ever remove anything that involves the "Taskmaster" from 24/7...

...hell, they are being hypocrites. When people thought Luger killed Mrs. Elizibeth, the WWE didn't remove any of his shit (assuming he had anything major).

[Skippord]

lol how are they going to get rid of Benoit matches on all of their DVD's

probably superimpose pictures of John Cena's head on Benoits body

[road doggy dogg]

lol how are they going to get rid of Benoit matches on all of their DVD's

probably superimpose pictures of John Cena's head on Benoits body

Nah Benoit actually lost quite a bit, wouldn't make sense to have Cena look weak. R-tard :roll:

[FourFifty]

Jericho is now on Fox News.

Fox is JERICHO!!!!

[KingofOldSchool]

Jericho should just take over Fox News and switch it to Jericho News.

Jericho: In other news today, The Ayatollah of News n' Factollas put Bill O'Reily in the Walls of Misinformation, made his dumbass TAP. And then fired him on the spot. And as of this moment, I have hired Lance Storm to take over for Mr. O'Really? and have renamed the show "The Storm Front."

[RP]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3772/benoitcrimesceneer8.jpg

I found this on RP's MySpace page. :shifty:



LOL i saw that and before i even scrolled down to read what you type, i knew RP would be in the sentence.

[KingofOldSchool]

I've already got my pre-order in for it.

[RP]

Fortunatly for me i've managed to protect myself from the gayness of myspace, so this rumor is not true.

[road doggy dogg]

do U have facebook hun?

[ford fairlane]

Having watched some of the news clips in the youtube section,it seems some ex wwe employees are not really too bothered about the tragedy but using it as a way to beat the wwe with a very big stick.
And austins ex wife she doesn't hide the fact she is taking shots at the wwe not for nancy and daniel but for herself,also the first interview fox did with her,if she hates wwe and scsa so much why was the room the interview done full of pictures of him in his scsa persona.

[YOUR Hero]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3772/benoitcrimesceneer8.jpg

I'd never buy this. Incomplete. Where's the 'roids, where's the dogs, the noose, etc, etc etc?

[KingofOldSchool]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3772/benoitcrimesceneer8.jpg

I'd never buy this. Incomplete. Where's the 'roids, where's the dogs, the noose, etc, etc etc?

I heard they were coming in a Benoit house playset complete with weight room and a Chris Benoit figure on Daniel's dresser.

[KingofOldSchool]

Fortunatly for me i've managed to protect myself from the gayness of myspace, so this rumor is not true.

Then some guy on my MySpace page is infringing on your gimmick.:o

[Loose Cannon]

THEY got Benoit's DVD Starting at $80 on Amazon. lol

[CSL]

Having watched some of the news clips in the youtube section,it seems some ex wwe employees are not really too bothered about the tragedy but using it as a way to get themselves on TV as much as possible since nobody gives a fuck about 'em any more

[The Naitch]

TRIPLE PACK VALUE!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Can't be arsed seeing if this was posted or not:

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BYE CHRIS!:wave:

[Xero]

So, who's the sick fuck that's going to edit the scroll?



















*Hint, hint*

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I would have ROFL is the video was his last appearance to promote Vengance.

BYE EVERYONE! OFF TO DOUBLE MURDER SUICIDE!

[TerranRich]

Now...did he look disturbed to you?

I can't shrug off that...feeling.

[chrisat928]

WWE missed a mention of Chris Benoits name.

Go to the Smackdown Superstars page on WWE.com and check out the discription for MVP US Champion.

[ford fairlane]

And the waters getting murkier.

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25267&p=1

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0702071benoit1.html

[Bad News Gertner]

Fuck you and every goddamn thing you stand for. So it might be true that Benoit did it. It might not be true. While there is that one ray of light left in Pandora's box, let us hold onto it instead of trying to take it away. The only thing that is final is there are three people who are dead, and a world in shock.
Now it might be true that when someone passes away people mainly recall the good memories and block out the bad. It has happened in my family where some junkie with mental and legal problems killed himself. I know this happens. But youd on't have to be a total prick about it.
If Benoit ended up doing it then I'm sure we'll all be in shock. All we've seen is him in the ring, him not breaking kayfabe. And maybe you're idea of Benoit being a psycho is true. Until we know who did what please do us all a favor and shut the fuck up!

Tremendous

[VSG]

Terrible bump of an old thread.

[FourFifty]

And that was BNG with another "Look At FourFifty" segment.

Next time on BNG with another "Look At FourFifty" segment- The world is in shock as Shane McMahon is reveled to be the owner WCW! OHMIGOSH!
How did FourFifty react? And more importantly, who cares how he reacted several years ago?

[ron the dial]

so many unbelievable responses in this thread.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol it was bump worthy

[Bad News Gertner]

And that was BNG with another "Look At FourFifty" segment.

Next time on BNG with another "Look At FourFifty" segment- The world is in shock as Shane McMahon is reveled to be the owner WCW! OHMIGOSH!
How did FourFifty react? And more importantly, who cares how he reacted several years ago?

Myself and RTD do. Two champions.

[Ruien]

This was bump worthy for the first 3 pages alone.

[screech]

I enjoyed this bump. Thank you.

[Frank Drebin]

It's a work 4 sure.

[Shadrick]

definitely a work. you guys are stupid if you think otherwise.

[Savio]

worked-shoot

[Disturbed316]

I missed Raw last night and came on the net for results, this was the last thing I was expecting to read about.

I've sat here for about 20 minutes now, in stunned silence. When I read the headline I felt like someone had punched me in the stomach, it took the wind right out of me.

I've been a fan of Benoit since his days in WCW and can genuinely say I loved prety much every single one of his matches. No matter who he was against, no matter how shitty the angle was, I always enjoyed watching Benoit wrestle. I've seen him wrestle live a number of times and was always mezmorised by him, gotten his autograph and shook his hand a few times and just always loved seeing him on tv.

Which is why I'm having difficulty accepting what has happened. At the moment I haven't read anywhere else about details on this other than here and WWE.com, but, as much as I hate to actually say these words, Benoit did kill his family. Something must have happened to set him off, but whatever it was, whether there was a fight between him and Nancy or an affair by either part of them, whatever it is, it does not excuse him from killing his son. Fuck.

Don't remember writing this at all wtf

Maybe I'm loosing my mind :eek:

[hb2k]

These threads, and ones on other boards, are so fascinating to me, the real time realisation of what went down with Benoit. Christ, nothing like it before or since, thankfully.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

WTF Chris Benoit died?

[Mr Burns]

Kevin Sullivan's finest moment

[Destor]

WTF Chris Benoit died?yeah, again

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

....speechless

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's been long enough. I think they can retry that McMahon limo explosion angle now.

[FourFifty]

Myself and RTD do. Two champions.

Two people. Neat.

[Dukelorange]

Really?

[Sixx]

Dead again?

[Big Vic]

Yeah died again this morning.

[Sixx]

This guy never catches a break.

[GD]

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[Volare]

I thought he was alive when I heard this.....

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[Sepholio]

Jeez just imagine if it was all a work and he came back with that as his entrance. Fucking surreal.

[GD]

Somebody's gonna get their neck split

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[Bad News Gertner]

Hey, do you guys remember when Benoit died?

[GD]

Hey, do you guys remember when Benoit died?

The weekend of Vengeance: Night of Champions 2007 where he was suppose to defeat CM Punk and become the ECW Champion.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sick fucker bringing a thread like this back.

[Theo Dious]

I expected this to have something to do with O'Haire.

[Shisen Kopf]

Kerry Von Erich's suicide was NOT a work. Alas, it was a shoot.

[Ruien]

Hey, do you guys remember when Benoit died?

No :(

[Razzamajazz]

Hey, do you guys remember when Benoit died?
nope. i saw it on CNN a few days later

[ron the dial]

i remember crossface chicken wings & tap water

[Savio]

The thought of being ECW champion pushed him over the edge.

Since there was no tape of the attack WWE was only going to suspend him for 2 matches.

[Theo Dious]

Kerry Von Erich's suicide was NOT a work. Alas, it was a shoot.

HEYO!

[Savio]

Imagine if he worked the show Sunday like everything was normal.

[Wehttam]

he'd drop the belt in a garbage can in the afterlife. vince wanted none of that.

[Volare]

i remember crossface chicken wings & tap water

AH HA!!

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[Shisen Kopf]

Thank God this thread is open again. The person who closed it is worse than Benoit though. SHAME!

[Bad News Gertner]

Sorry for bumping this thread. Still not over Vince killing Benoit and his family.

[Shisen Kopf]

Yeah it was def Vince that killed Benoit. All the evidence points to that. You have to be a mark to believe the "official" explaination. It was mcmahon and Kevin Sullivan that did it.

[Sixx]

Vince hired Meng to do it.

[slik]

what the FUCK is going on. FUCK WWE

Damn

[RP]

Again?

FUCK!

[slik]

Someone turn on the damn Bat-Signal.

[SenatorJPO]

Pop-psychologist Dr. Todd Grande psycho-analyzes Chris Benoit:

https://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=LDsx-aPCP-8

[fundiddle]

i remember finding out by randomly tuning into raw, i was losing interest fast when they took the belts off RVD and was mostly tuned out to the overall product. i didn't post here then, but i do remember this site from the late 90s or something


also, this shirt is creepy as fuck
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westside-Gunn-GFXR-Chris-Benoit-Tie-Dye-T-Shirt-Supreme-Blientele-XL/293845631565?hash=item446a90824d:g:1BMAAOSwIFhftK~h
https://i.imgur.com/eoRrtM7.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This was back in the day when WWE threads would get multiple pages

[Seanny One Ball]

In hours

[Bad News Gertner]

What a crazy thread to go through

[Rammsteinmad]

My response is so dramatic and hilarious. :lol:

Guess that was just the emotions I was feeling at the time.

[Wehttam]

that shirt is pretty sweet

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Wait...Chris Benoit's dead?

[Evil Vito]

Strange that I only made 2 posts in this thread (well, up until now).

Didn't participate in any of the speculation about the cause of death even when it was clear by the next day that he was a murderer. Guess I just didn't want to believe it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I love that a lot of posters initial reaction was that it's an angle

[Evil Vito]

Aside from avoiding tragedy, I remember looking forward to seeing how big of a trainwreck Raw was going to be that night. The entire roster from all 3 brands was there and all of them were told to wear funeral attire for Vince's "memorial"

[Crippla]

I've looked for the thread about this every time I've come back to tpww and could never find it. I love seeing the change in reactions of people as more came out about it.

[OssMan]

Most successful thread in PepperCarrotMan's career.