Chris Benoit found dead (From WWE.com)

[Xero]

As for the "realism" of this, this is probably the first time I've literally felt sick at what someone did. There have been more heinous things that I've read about, but I've never felt physically ill about what someone did. I suppose following Benoit for 10+ years and THINKING I know at least his basic fundamentals really hit me hard.

[James Steele]

That press conference really hit me like a ton of bricks.

[James Steele]

What made me cringe was when they said Nancy was tied up. That felt like a damn punch to the gut, and it was the kind that pisses you off more than hurts you.

[SammyG]

Yeah man, same here. I am completely disgusted. I liked Chris so much, I dunno how I feel anymore. I think he's a sick fuck now actually, I can't see him in the same light. All the accomplishments, all the hard work, all the times I marked out for him, don't mean shit to me anymore. If he couldn't take it, he coulda killed himself, and not take his 7 YEAR OLD kid and his wife with him. Take time off WWE, Get some help, but for fuck's sake, don't murder your family. What's really sick is that he killed Nancy, and then Daniel the next day, and then he commited suicide. What kind of cold blooded sick fuck could do that?! So disgusted right now.

[IC Champion]

Vince is on the defence already.

[RGWhat316]

It really seems as if WWE is acting like he never existed now. I was even looking through some of the other dvd's on shopzone, and his name has been removed from almost everything. Even on WM 23, Benoit/MVP is not in the match listings.

For me, it really takes a week or 2 to sink in knowing he's not going to be around every week. Now even though i'm disgusted by what he did, especially killing his defenseless son, I don't want to pass complete judgment until I hear why he would do this.

WWE programming should be interesting tonight and Friday. I'm really interested to hear how the live crowd is going to react now.

[Xero]

I'm reposting this because it was at the end of the last page and people will likely miss it. From WWE.com.

STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.

However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:

1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.

WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.

[KingofOldSchool]

It really seems as if WWE is acting like he never existed now. I was even looking through some of the other dvd's on shopzone, and his name has been removed from almost everything. Even on WM 23, Benoit/MVP is not in the match listings.

For me, it really takes a week or 2 to sink in knowing he's not going to be around every week. Now even though i'm disgusted by what he did, especially killing his defenseless son, I don't want to pass complete judgment until I hear why he would do this.

WWE programming should be interesting tonight and Friday. I'm really interested to hear how the live crowd is going to react now.

What kind of "reasoing" would it take for you to think what Benoit did was OKAY?

That he and his family was being held hostage by a super stealth group of Ninjas that gave Benoit a choice of killing his own family or being brutally killed via the Ninja's stars? So in a moment of panic, he killed his wife and son so the Ninja's left peacefully. Benoit seeing what he did, killed himself because the pain was unbareable.

Would that be a good reason?

[RGWhat316]

I don't believe there is a good reason for why all of this happened. I just think that something happened to him, and he is not this monster that many have painted him out to be. Even most tv reports are saying that he regretted what happened and took his own life.

[IC Champion]

Maybe he was a selfish bastard who didnt wanna live anymore, and felt that his wife and kid shouldnt either.

[Team Sheep]

Wow

I'm pretty certain that this is a first. On Sky Sports News, they actually have a heading saying: 'Wrestling Headlines' coming up across the screen.

Surreal.

[addy2hotty]

You just have to wonder at what level of mentality the guy was at to kill his own son.

What gets me is that Nancy apparently filed for divorce in 2003, but it was 'thrown out' by a judge. Not being from US waters, what the hell justification is there over there to refuse a divorce? In this day and age?

Also, the past-tense/present-tense line has been hugely smudged by these events.

[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

You just have to wonder at what level of mentality the guy was at to kill his own son.

What gets me is that Nancy apparently filed for divorce in 2003, but it was 'thrown out' by a judge. Not being from US waters, what the hell justification is there over there to refuse a divorce? In this day and age?

Also, the past-tense/present-tense line has been hugely smudged by these events.

It wasn't thrown out. It was reconciled and she retracted it.

[addy2hotty]

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We'll never know the reasoning. Not that I'd want to.

Just goes to show that having it all - the big house, the money, the adulation of peers and fans, the respect of pretty much everyone in the history of the business and an apparently secure future means shit.

[addy2hotty]

It wasn't thrown out. It was reconciled and she retracted it.

I read on Wrestleview that one of the police said that it was thrown out. Fair enough if that is the case.

[RP]

Is possible that nancy was bound by the hand and feet and her and Chris where having really rough sex where he'd like put a bag over her head or just plain choke and he accidently took it to far and then went to his sons room and cried and accidently put a pillow on his face and fell asleep?

[KingofOldSchool]

Is possible that nancy was bound by the hand and feet and her and Chris where having really rough sex where he'd like put a bag over her head or just plain choke and he accidently took it to far and then went to his sons room and cried and accidently put a pillow on his face and fell asleep?

I guess that would explain the "Silent, but Violent" line in WCW.

[addy2hotty]

When asked about domestic abuse, Ballard stated that divorce papers were filed in 2003 by Nancy, but were later dismissed by a judge.

[XL]

Wow

I'm pretty certain that this is a first. On Sky Sports News, they actually have a heading saying: 'Wrestling Headlines' coming up across the screen.

Surreal.
Yeah it's reported on BBC Teletext. In the world news section I believe.

Last time wrestling was covered like this was with Owen's death.

[Dave Youell]

Man this is rough,

I'm really conflicted about this.

Just trying to think how I would react if this were a family member who had done this, I just can't get my head around it all.

Benoit will always be known as one hell of a wrestler, but a shit bag of a human being, it's such a shame. Such a dam shame

[Vastardikai]

I have come to this conclusion long ago:

I respected Benoit the wrestler, and I still do.

I disliked Benoit the human being. I am torn between what the fuck and how?

What happened was fucked up. I'll leave it at that for now.

[Skippord]

Is possible that nancy was bound by the hand and feet and her and Chris where having really rough sex where he'd like put a bag over her head or just plain choke and he accidently took it to far and then went to his sons room and cried and accidently put a pillow on his face and fell asleep?
GET THIS MAN TO ATLANTA PD!!!

[Anybody Thrilla]

I know ECW stars are encouraged to take things to the extreme, but Benoit went a little overboard here.

[Skippord]

I know ECW stars are encouraged to take things to the extreme, but Benoit went a little overboard here.
ZING

[XL]

So I decided to watch Raw from last night. Got through the JBL/Cole thing...chilling how the talk about Benoit being a family man that was all about his kids.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I found these on 1wrestling.com, not seen these posted yet:

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29059

WARNING SIGNS THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH CHRIS BENOIT
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In speaking with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit contacted this afternoon, apparently there were some warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit.

Some of the information learned by 1Wrestling.com by colleagues and friends that did not want to be quoted:
"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

“Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”

In addition, 1Wrestling has learned that sources close to Nancy are reporting that she had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages and that authorities should check the box if anything ever happened to her.

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29060

CONTENTS OF ONE OF THE TEXT MESSAGES SENT BY BENOIT
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1Wrestling.com has learned through several sources that one of the text messages sent by Chris Benoit early Sunday morning said "back door open, dogs have been fed". This message, along with others received over the weekend, caused WWE officials to alert authorities and to ask them to go to the Benoit residence to investigate.
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[Kane Knight]

Premeditated or not, the guy was sick. Wonder if anyone noticed. I mean, for all the people who will talk about how great he was, did any of them know him enough to know something was wrong? This didn't happen overnight. You don't just become a methodical, coldhearted bastard in a weekend.

[Kane Knight]

Shit. I was typing before that was posted. Looks like people DID know something was wrong. So why did it wait a year, until he KILLED HIS FAMILY AND HIMSELF?

[IC Champion]

These are obviously actions of a man not his right mind.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Shit. I was typing before that was posted. Looks like people DID know something was wrong. So why did it wait a year, until he KILLED HIS FAMILY AND HIMSELF?

Yeah, if that was true why the fuck wasn't he told to get some help or something. An intervention or anything. Just completly fucked up.

[addy2hotty]

But isn't this always the case with wrestling tragedies? They could have obviously been prevented, but never are.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Because they needed somebody to carry ECW, duh.

[IC Champion]

So there were obvious signs of mental health issues, the fact that he is a private person and some what anti-social would also help hide them.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Any tragedy could have been prevented in hindsight. I don't think anybody was expecting this to happen.

[311]

I was going to stay away from this thread, but felt the need to post one last thing.

For a long time today, I've been waiting for news that just hasn't come, saying that there was foul play outside the home involved, or that somehow Benoit had not murdered the both of them, or anything. ANYTHING that would take the blame off of him. The sad fact is, it hasn't come.

There was no outside influence. No tire tracks. No signs of forced entry. His german shepherds were outside, fenced in the yard. 'No one' got in, or came out. Chris Benoit has done this, and yes, you cannot be sure until all the evidence is finalized, but admittedly, it does not look good, for anyone still clinging to any wish that they want to find some 'out.'

I've been thinking about this alot for the last day, and only in the last couple of hours has it really sunk in. I'm washing my hands of it. No matter what happens, God have mercy on all of them, and frankly, I still can't wrap my mind around this.

This is a tragedy for all the families involved, friends, and the WWE. Who knows what the fallout will be, but the WWE has handled this situation flawlessly and with class, as far as I'm concerned. I wish it could have happened some other way.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Because they needed somebody to carry ECW, duh.

After some of your posts, you should know this more than anyone.

Elijah.... Burke....

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well of course, but obviously the WWE wasn't seeing it that way.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm probably just in denial, but I can't bring myself to lose respect for Benoit right now.

I firmly believe that something took control of him, be it mental disease or anything else, and made him do it.

Sounds like I'm looking for excuses, and I probably am.

I refuse to condemn the man, when I don't believe he was of sound mind.

[Shaggy]

After seeing that Text Message this is what I would like to believe....

Benoit hired someone to kill his wife....things got out of hand and the guy had to kill his child...Beniot comes home and discovers what happened...cant live with it....Kills himself...

Sadly I doubt that any of that works with what happened and I really havnt accepted the other scenario yet....im afraid to accept it

[Shaggy]

Just found this....

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In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized.
That was only one of the strange facts that Ballard revealed. He said that two text messages of note caused authorities to investigate the house. In one, Benoit told somebody he knew that his wife and son were sick.

[KingofOldSchool]

District Attorney Scott Ballard was interview on CNN Headline news by Erica Hill. Here are the highlights:

- Once again, Ballard said Nancy Benoit was killed sometime on Friday, Daniel on Saturday morning, and Benoit killed himself Saturday night.

- According to the medical examiner, Nancy was found with bruise marks on her back which is consistent with a knee being placed on her back, bruising on the front of her body suggesting she had been pressed against the floor, and her neck indicated she had been strangled.

- There is no indication Daniel tried to make contact with anyone after his mother had been killed.

- There were needle marks in Daniel’s arm, suggesting he was taking growth hormones for quite sometime.

- Ballard suggested that Benoit may have killed his son with a chokehold.

- Text messages from Benoit indicated that Nancy and Daniel were sick (probably sent when Nancy and Daniel had already been killed), and one messaged indicated that the pets needed to be let out.

- Dr. Alan Lipman, also interviewed by CNN, suggested that in the past, Benoit was breaking up the furniture in the home and threatening Nancy.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

After seeing that Text Message this is what I would like to believe....

Benoit hired someone to kill his wife....things got out of hand and the guy had to kill his child...Beniot comes home and discovers what happened...cant live with it....Kills himself...

Sadly I doubt that any of that works with what happened and I really havnt accepted the other scenario yet....im afraid to accept it

I don't see how you could garner that from the message, considering it was sent to someone at WWE.

[Shaggy]

I don't see how you could garner that from the message, considering it was sent to someone at WWE.

My bad...didnt know it wasn sent to someone at WWE....or maybe he sent it to the wrong person first and then resent it to someone else...I dont know...

Maybe its just me not wanting to accept the inevitable....

[SammyG]

Benoit was giving his 7 year old kid growth hormones. wtf.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That's not TERRIBLY uncommon, Sammy. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but it's not exactly ridiculous.

[ford fairlane]

This make absolutely no sense to me

1Wrestling.com has learned through several sources that one of the text messages sent by Chris Benoit early Sunday morning said "back door open, dogs have been fed".

This message, along with others received over the weekend, caused WWE officials to alert authorities and to ask them to go to the Benoit residence to investigate.

Going by this it was sent sunday morning,now going with the logic he was about to kill himself he sends another few texts to whoever and they dont get them till sunday evening,when they would have got all the texts right after each other which depending on what was written would have sent alarm bells ringing.you have to ask yourself why the hell did it take over twelve hours for the police to show up at his home.

I know i seem to be fixating on this point but seriously does it not appear to be very strange

[Shaggy]

Im willing to bet that ECW tonight gets the highest ratings its ever had....and that they mention Nancy and Daniel....but not Chris

[Jordan]

I really wish this weren't happening.

[Shaggy]

I know i seem to be fixating on this point but seriously does it not appear to be very strange

What news in the past 24 hours about this hasnt seemed very strange and fucked up?

I do agree with you though that some things just seem weird...

[Kalyx triaD]

What the Hell went on in the Benoit household?!?

[Kalyx triaD]

Someone turn on the damn Bat-Signal.

[Lux]

... Fuck just fuck but atleast we can all say they have impacted our lives (good or bad) in one way or another, i mean whenever i hear someone say "lie, cheat & steal" it makes me smile. i'm going to miss both of them, but i'm glad to say when i was young i got to see both wrestle.





Always Viva La Raza

[Mercury Bullet]

Maybe he was just letting them know he fed the dogs already, so they when they came to find the bodies they wouldn't have to worry about taking care of the dogs immediately.




But seriously, I wish we could get some sort of reasoning and information as to why this happened and what exactly happened.

[NoRoolz]

I still can't believe this.

My mind won't let me accept Benoit has done this, I can't lose respect for him, I really don't know why. People are saying to me 'Benoit is an asshole, a scumbag' etc and for some reason it's annoying me and I find myself defending him, saying 'If he has killed them it was because he'd snapped or something, there's an explanation' :S. But the truth is if it wasn't a wrestler, and was just say some random actor in the same scenario, no way would I defend the actor.

Please let there be another explanation, I don't want to have to accept this.

[Kalyx triaD]

I no longer wanna know "what exactly happened". This story went from tragedy to TV-Movie in 24 hours.

[SammyG]

I am still unbelievably disgusted by Benoit's actions, and I hope they don't pay tribute to that piece of shit anymore. I love the approach that WWE is taking with him right now. I woulda been really sad if he had just killed himself because of all the problems or stress he was facing, but to take his family with him is another thing. Rot in hell Benoit.

[Shaggy]

I just read that McMahon will be on ECW tonight to personally apologize for the 3 hour tribute show to Benoit....apparently many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer

[Jeritron]

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SammyG, you are correct across the board
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[Sadistic]

many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer

But last night the information wasn't available?

[NoRoolz]

It just doesn't make sense.

Why?

[ford fairlane]

I just read that McMahon will be on ECW tonight to personally apologize for the 3 hour tribute show to Benoit....apparently many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer

Quite interesting but at the same token that they did a tribute last night yet were privvy to more information than most regarding this tragedy.
Also i think the wwe family will have a very hollow ring to it if it is used again.

[Kalyx triaD]

But last night the information wasn't available?

That's what I'm sayin.

Super sayin, infact.

[Shaggy]

But last night the information wasn't available?

As the show was going off the air and after the show...it was being mentioned...it wasnt for certain but that was the main speculation being done by all media outlets...

Just turned out that what the outlets thought happened ended up being true. Some fans now believe that Vince was trying to glorify a killer while other people now that he was unaware at the time and was just trying to pay respect to a man who was one of his top athletes

[ford fairlane]

[QUOTE=Jeritron]Hopefully the wrestlers get the oppurtunity to voice their true feelings in light of these revelations.

What that they failed their friend by not looking close enough at him becoming more withdrawn but putting it down to him being a quiet guy.
To the fact that some last night served up empty platitudes to appease their own guilt.
After all is said and done the wwe has to shoulder some of the responsibility regarding this tragedy.

[Boomer]

I just found out. Wow. I haven't watched wrestling for years, but...wow. I don't know what to think.

[Kalyx triaD]

What that they failed their friend by not looking close enough at him becoming more withdrawn but putting it down to him being a quiet guy.
To the fact that some last night served up empty platitudes to appease their own guilt.
After all is said and done the wwe has to shoulder some of the responsibility regarding this tragedy.

Coming out of retirement: One. More. Time.

[Sadistic]

" many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer"

Anyone that said that is a fucking retard and I hope they die. Vince did the right thing at the time.

[Dorkchop]

Vince did the right thing at the time.

Exactly. As the show went on, they had more evidence, but nothing was official at that time. Hell, it wasn't officially announced until this afternoon.

[Shaggy]

" many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer"

Anyone that said that is a fucking retard and I hope they die. Vince did the right thing at the time.


I agree with ya...

There is no way that they knew at the time the show started that Benoit could of possibly done such a thing. I guess fans might be pissed that they didnt stop the show when it was revealed....but then again I think fans deserved the show. I know I was crying my eyes out the whole time.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, if that was true why the fuck wasn't he told to get some help or something. An intervention or anything. Just completly fucked up.

Why didn't someone call someone on his behalf, even?

his actions are kind of in keeping with a paranoid schizophrenic, and if he'd been demonstrating paranoia a year ago, it could have been developing over a period of time. And it's not something anyone can see in themselves. The world goes crazy, not you. Whether you completely detatch or not, it makes sense to you. You kind of NEED someone to step in.

Which will never happen in wrestling.

"You're like a brother to me, Chris, but I'd rather see you die than get you help."

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

This is pretty damn terrible. Benoit the person is, apparently, a monster. What he did is insane and horrifying, and I don't blame anybody here that never wants to see another one of his matches.

Nevertheless, he has always been one of my favorite in-ring talents, and I will always enjoy his matches.

[SammyG]

Mcmahon should clarify that they had no knowledge of what had happenned before Raw, I wouldn't apologize for the tribute show, they didn't know what had happenned exactly. But I'd show a little banner saying in memory of the Benoit family once on ECW, once on Smackdown, and then you move on. Rebuild everything. Start from scratch.

[Shaggy]

This is pretty damn terrible. Benoit the person is, apparently, a monster. What he did is insane and horrifying, and I don't blame anybody here that never wants to see another one of his matches.

Nevertheless, he has always been one of my favorite in-ring talents, and I will always enjoy his matches.

I agree with you....

But now I sadly dont think I could ever watch another thing with Benoit in it....with out thinking about what happened..

The worst part of it for me is that people tend to look at wrestling ppvs and think of them as "I was there" moments....like...I was there when Benoit finally won the belt and was with Eddie in the ring....I was there when Flair won the Royal Rumble.....but for me its....I was there the night Benoit no showed Vengeance....

This has turned into what was a great ppv experience for me and has completely turned it the other way...

[Inadequacy]

Like other's I haven't really been able to collect my thoughts on all this stuff, it's just too fucking much. I mean, it's so weird that I'm actually hoping Chris had a mental illness so it doesn't seem/feel as bad. What do you do when you (want to) start pitying someone you looked up to?

[ford fairlane]

- According to the medical examiner, Nancy was found with bruise marks on her back which is consistent with a knee being placed on her back, bruising on the front of her body suggesting she had been pressed against the floor, and her neck indicated she had been strangled.

- Ballard suggested that Benoit may have killed his son with a chokehold.

Now reading those two comments,is ballard trying to imply that he killed his wife and son with wrestling moves.
And another thing that they failed to explain properly,was his wife bound before or after she died,because either way thats a strange one,because if it was when she was alive why flip her on her stomach to choke her,or if it was when she was dead why bind her hands and feet and wrap her in a towel.

Im not try to imply that he didnt do it but reading more press from the me and the da,more and more things dont add up,maybe its because they are only releasing certain information just now,but taking it as a whole it just doesnt make sense to the rational mind,maybe thats the problem.

[Kalyx triaD]

Everyone's thinkin it I'm just saying it:

The marks on his wife are marks a soft body sustains when put into a lethal variation of the Crippler Crossface.

[HaTeR]

^ Wouldn't surprise me at all. It's already pretty obvious that the guy was a looney.

[KingofOldSchool]

Everyone's thinkin it I'm just saying it:

The marks on his wife are marks a soft body sustains when put into a lethal variation of the Crippler Crossface.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris even did his own PPV promo.

"This Sunday, the entire Benoit Family will have NO...WAY...OUT! *throat slash gesture*"

[Kalyx triaD]

LOL

We're terrible people.

[Danny Electric]

As a guy with a girlfriend and a kid, this shocks me truly.

When XL first told me this morning i wasn't sure what to believe until i read it on british teletext.

He must have been in a messed up place to do this, to kill your own flesh and blood.

Just in shock

[ClockShot]

I've been hearing numerous reports on and off today. Can anyone summerize and new news that has popped up? I know autopsies have are being conducted today. And I heard from work pretty much the same scenario from TV today.

[The Miz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/fvkiller/benoit.jpg

[SammyG]

lol Miz. Also lol @ the idea of Benoit using the Crossface to murder his family. Think he was playing his theme song in the background?

[KingofOldSchool]

lol Miz. Also lol @ the idea of Benoit using the Crossface to murder his family. Think he was playing his theme song in the background?

No, but I heard he was seen parading around the house hoisting a World Heavyweight Title replica belt up in the air.

[RGWhat316]

Damn, they even interviewed Bret Hart on MSNBC, and he was one of the others that said they had no idea Benoit would do something like this. Yet, the host of the show was just ripping WWE, even talking about them airing a tribute show last night.

[TapOut]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/fvkiller/benoit.jpg

The kid's name in that movie was "Danny" :(

[TapOut]

WWE.com has released the text messages/timeline:




WWE/Chris Benoit timeline

Written: June 26, 2007

On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show.
WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.
WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.
Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:

Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”
Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"
Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11:00 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.
At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayetteville County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family.
Fayetteville County Sheriffs office made contact with WWE at approximately 4:00 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene.
The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE choose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.

[Blitz]

This is so massively fucked up. I can't believe it.

[Danny Electric]

wow, those messages are eerie

[IC Champion]

Seriously fucked up.

[KingofOldSchool]

Okay so I was watching Court TV and how ironic is it that they were showing a case where this man suffocated his wife and young son to death.

[CSL]

<font color=white>This is unreal man. I mean, Chris fucking Benoit. The head and shoulders biggest story in the history of professional wrestling.</font>

[mrslackalack]

Very eerie messages

[CSL]

Okay so I was watching Court TV and how ironic that they were showing a case where this man suffocated his wife and young son to death.

<font color=white>I was watching some old 24 earlier and a guy was strangling a girl and it was kind of weird seeing that.</font>

[ford fairlane]

I just love the way everyone is now distancing themselves from the tragedy,the fault does not lie with just one man no matter how hard they try to make themselves believe it.

[ClockShot]

Creepy.....

[mrslackalack]

Benoit threw EVERYTHING away.

[Crimson]

Damn..WWE did the right thing though. But damn..Benoit went nuts..wonder why??

[IC Champion]

I wonder how much of an effect on the locker room this is going to have.

[mrslackalack]

I just wish he sought help if he was having marriage problems or whatever. Like Bret said he thinks anyone in the entire roster would have helped out Chris and supported him if he was depressed or upset about something

[mrslackalack]

It has to be a devestating blow to the locker rooms morale. I bet many are heartbroken, but are also angry at what happened but it will take people a long time to get over.

[alvarado52]

Yknow what would have made this all better? If they found Benoit dead dressed in his old Pegasus Kid outfit, and they pulled him out of the house. Kinda like the scene on Airplane with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

[Vastardikai]

A woman tells News 1130 in Vancouver, B.C. that Chris Benoit's son Daniel had a condition called Fragile X syndrome. Wikipedia describes the symptoms:

Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone. Behavioral characteristics may include stereotypic movements (e.g., hand-flapping) and atypical social development, particularly shyness and limited eye contact. Some individuals with the fragile X syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for autism. While full mutation males tend to present with severe intellectual disability, the symptomology of full mutation females runs the gamut of minimally affected to severe intellectual disability, which may explain why females are underdiagnosed relative to males.

The woman interviewed for the News 1130 story says her family was in contact with the Benoits, but they didn't want to go public with the disease and chose to keep things low profile. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."

http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20070626_212836_4500

W.K. Analysis: This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.

That was sent to me. A link was in the midst of it, the commentary at the end i don't know where it came from, but that's interesting.

[Skippord]

Yeah that kid didnt look "normal" tbh

[Mr. JL]

Sane men who work their ass off for 22 years to become successful in their dream job, have a long history of being a respectful employee/friend and a wonderful family man; who works on making a marriage work for 10 plus years of his life don't just throw all of that away without having a major mental breakdown or mental disease.

What he did is absolutely horrible, tragic and unfathomable. However, by all accounts, I don't believe Benoit was an evil, cold blooded human being. CLEARLY though, I think Chris must have become very mentally ill and incapable of making rational, sound decisions and obviously not in control of himself.

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With that said, I still respect everything he did in that damn wrestling ring.



R.I.P. Benoit Family

[IC Champion]

When I saw him on TV, he looked about 3 years old.

[srnrew]

I will say I'm glad Chris' other 2 kids weren't in the house at the time, cause god knows it could've been worse. Can't even imagine how his ex will explain their Dad and brother's death to them

[Vastardikai]

I am no Monk by any means, nor am I any kind of a Behavioral Psychologist, but I'm thinking that it's possible that this disease, and the stress coming from treating it, may have had alot to do with Benoit's state of mind.

I'm not excusing it or condoning it, but it is a possible explanation.

[Zeeboe]

I'm normally disgusted by jokes that mock the dead...but in Chris Benoit case's, I say make fun of him all you want.

[The Naitch]

The Canadian Murderaaaa

hey, where's CanadianCrippla at these days anyways? (CC). Oh right, he's Instant Classic

[The Naitch]

From the good ol' c-fed forum. Enjoy

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Nancy: You like? :naughty:

Little Naitch: Daddy like :naughty:

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Little Naitch: Hey, I heard you fuckin snitched on me. You told the cops that I killed The Pimp's dog

Nancy: No I didn't :shifty:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/550/00002sg7.jpg

Little Naitch: Yeah you did, snitch. And you know what I like to do to snitches?

Nancy: Don't shank me, please

Little Naitch: Don't worry toots. I forgot my knife.

Nancy: Phew

Little Naitch: Instead, I'm gonna do this.....

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*FANS GO NUTS*

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MadMan: Hey L, just wanted to ask you if you've seen my girlfriend, Nancy

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Little Naitch: She's dead, yo



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(OOC: Sorry, I just had the urge to do it)

[ChiefStubbs]

BENOIT!
BENOIT!

Benoit was a wrestler
I mean, he was a murderer wrestler
Or maybe he was just a murderer

But he was still BENOIT!
BENOIT!

Strangulating his lovely wife,
Smothering his kid
Texting off to poor Chavo
And hanging himself with a WEIGHT-ROOM WIRE!
WEIGHT-ROOM WIRE!

When all the cops are on the scene,
And everybody's dead
Only one guy will be hangin'.

My money's on BENOIT!
BENOIT!

And the Benoit hangs in the NIIIGHT...

[Corkscrewed]

Gonna have to say that it was very interesting going through the 16 pages of posts I missed since last night and seeing the range of emotions as well as the confusion over the facts and rumors.

It's hard for a lot of us to accept it, but it appears proven that Benoit murdered his family, then killed himself. We will never know why, and that will eat a lot of us up, because it's human nature to want to reveal the unknown. How could a seven year old have died by his own father's hand? It doesn't make sense. It never does. And yet, life is absolutely fucked up sometimes.

While I'm not going to instantly shun all of Benoit's 40 years of life, I can no longer look at him the same way, nor can I see his career in the same, formerly shining light. It's like OJ Simpson. How many people now look at him as one of the greatest wide receivers in football history, and how many people view him as a murderer who got away with it?

Reputation and character are always intertwined. And in the span of a nightmarish weekend, Benoit threw both away. Whether it was through immediate madness or the result of a gradual descent into delusion, the fact remains that he was obviously disturbed.

And as to why no one saw this coming... no one ever has the benefit of hindsight. That's why no one saw the VaTech killer coming. You can't just suspect everyone for the slightest little thing. So I wouldn't blame people for not seeing it until it's too late; that's human nature.

As for how the WWE is handling it now... I think this is the best they can do. Be serious and state the facts. Then take down anything that glorifies Benoit. Some might say that's too harsh, but that's the consequence. The WWE is handling this in the best way they can right now.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

It's like OJ Simpson. How many people now look at him as one of the greatest wide receivers in football history, and how many people view him as a murderer who got away with it?



Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

I said http://www.nndb.com/people/823/000024751/jm.jpg

[Impeccable]

I'm a brit and luckily, we have CNN and Fox news over here. I heard about the press conference and switched on. My wife and I watched and it hit us hard. Throughout the whole thing, my eleven month old son was asleep in my arms.

I think that's when it dawned on me that it WAS Benoit that did it. When I was holding my little man and thinking that Daniel would never grow up, etc. I couldn't ever contemplate hurting my little boy, let alone entertain the thought of killing him. Benoit must have been pretty fucked up!!!

[Corkscrewed]

Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot.

So yeah... I know you're just being you, but I can't find any way for that joke to make sense at all. :?:

[Corkscrewed]

Thoughts about the matter from the Sports Guy, Bill Simmons:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=16362


rob, nc: Any comment on the Benoit situation, is this the end of pro wrestling, it seems like it would be hard to watch again after this.

<!-- displayed mode -->http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: I am still gathering my thoughts, waiting for all the facts to come out. It just doesn't seem like any non-wrestling fan realizes how huge this story is to everyone who actually follows wrestling - in my opinion, it's the biggest sports story of the year even though wrestling technically isn't a sport. Benoit was one of the 12-15 greatest wrestlers of the past 30 years. For the wrestling world, it's like the OJ thing all over again - only its worse because his little son was involved. It might be the single worst sports story since the Rae Carruth thing.

<!-- displayed mode -->http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: The weird part was the WWE inexplicably running the 3-hour Benoit tribute on Raw last night - by the time it re-aired on the West Coast, reports were starting to come out that it was possibly a double murder-suicide... I don't know how they let that show continue to run. One of the weirdest TV moments ever. I was really creeped out.

<!-- displayed mode --><hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="80%">Carl (Lansing, MI): How come people condem wresting becuase of this but not the football because of Rae Carruth? Is it becuase people are looking for a reason to bash it? I never really liked it a ton after college, but I never understood why people have so much HATE for it.

<!-- displayed mode -->http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: Well, the bigger issue here is that pro wrestling has suffered an abnormal number of early deaths - actually, abnormal might not even be the right word. it's almost an epidemic. There have probably been more wrestlers die before the age of 45 in the past 15 years than every sport combined. And you knew the tipping point was coming, eventually, and now it's here. I don't know if wrestling will survive this one.

<!-- displayed mode --><hr noshade="noshade" size="1" width="80%">Adam (NY): So what does WWE do from here? With the macmahon death awkwardness floating over their heads I think they're going to lose a huge portion of their audience. They have to, right?

<!-- displayed mode -->http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I think this could be it - it's going to be the dominant story of the next 2 weeks and everyone is going to bring up the death stats and all the crazy incidents that have happened, I don't think the average person realizes what a damaging sport this has been (physically and psychologically) to the people who do it. Again, I think we've reached the tipping point. Sorry to be so somber, but the Benoit thing... i mean, it's hard to explain how big he was in wrestling circles.

<!-- displayed mode -->http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: All right, let's switch gears...

[The Fugitive]

I have so many things running through my head and I have no idea how to express any of it. Maybe I'll say something at a later date, maybe I won't. I don't know.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

So yeah... I know you're just being you, but I can't find any way for that joke to make sense at all. :?:

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[darkpower]

Wow, just wow.

I can understand alot of the emotions that are running high on here right now.

For one, Benoit definitly had some issues, no doubt. But at the same time, I can see why he could've done something like this, and while I'm not saying what happened was right at all, I can grimly understand that reasoning about not wanting the kid to have to live with such a grim illness to go and just "put him out of his misery". Think of a dog who is really sick, and it would be more peaceful for the dog to be "put to sleep" than to live the rest of its life with that illness that would cripple it. Same here. In Benoit's mind, he was mearly doing the right thing. Not sure if the description of the death of Nancy really adds up, though. Something in all of this doesn't seem correct, and it seems as though nothing will be truly clear until we get some kind of hard evidence (all we have are text messages, heresay, and reports of "might of, could of, was very possible, almost definite"). They really need to get some DNA or something (I'm being serious, too, here. We don't even have a fucking autopsy yet) to give us something concrete. Comb that scene, get anything you can FIND to give us what we really need, because something in this doesn't add up.

With that being said, I don't think it would be right to just throw away any of what Benoit's career meant like it never happened. Regardless of what we may think of what his human attributes were during those final days, fact of the matter is, he was a damn good wrestler, he was a damn good human being for most of his life (sans whatever THIS mess, and yes, it is a mess, says to us otherwise), and we shouldn't be looking at his athletic ability any different, to be honest with you. I certainly won't be.

Back to the actual situation for a moment, too, since I just thought of something while writing that last paragraph. Did anyone remember Chavo's testimonial on RAW? How he described Chris "missing the flight" or something? I'll have to go back and watch it again to see if I got this right, but wasn't he talking about that exact weekend? If Chavo was talking on the phone with Chris, and he was complaining about missing some flight, wouldn't Chavo, for one, be the last person to talk to Chris before the tragedy, and wouldn't that put Chris in a sort of out of place situation? Again, I will have to check it again (I have it saved on my DVR, so I can watch it again, not going to right now, though), but I'm pretty certain one needs to listen to Chavo's testimonial again, because that could be a VERY interesting piece of info.

Why am I seeing that these investigators are fucking this case up royally somewhere?

[XL]

I decided to watch Raw last night even though I wasn't sure if I shoujld.

I think Chavo said that having stayed with the Benoit's that he (Chavo) missed his flight whilst Benoit made his. I thik this was a different weekend.

The most resounding thing having watched Raw after knowing what had happened more fully was he testimonials given. It was so hard to hear the guys (and girl) talk about how much of a family man Benoit was. How much he loved his wife and kids. How they were the single most important thing to him.

Just sat there thinking how bad it must feel for the people who said those things to know the truth now. Even the little comments about how "intense" he was, or how "you couldn't escape him" or that he was "so private". It was all so surreal.

And my opinion o h stands like this. Benoit was one of my favourite wrestlers, he emboied waht wrestling is about, no nonesense, wrestlling machine. I loved to watch him work, but now, everytime I see his face, if I see him in a match, my thoughts are not "MAn this guy is/was good!", they're going to be "This guy killed his family."

It'll be a long time before I sit and enjoy (or even watch) a Chris Benoit match.

[darkpower]

I decided to watch Raw last night even though I wasn't sure if I shoujld.

I think Chavo said that having stayed with the Benoit's that he (Chavo) missed his flight whilst Benoit made his. I thik this was a different weekend.

The most resounding thing having watched Raw after knowing what had happened more fully was he testimonials given. It was so hard to hear the guys (and girl) talk about how much of a family man Benoit was. How much he loved his wife and kids. How they were the single most important thing to him.

Just sat there thinking how bad it must feel for the people who said those things to know the truth now. Even the little comments about how "intense" he was, or how "you couldn't escape him" or that he was "so private". It was all so surreal.

And my opinion o h stands like this. Benoit was one of my favourite wrestlers, he emboied waht wrestling is about, no nonesense, wrestlling machine. I loved to watch him work, but now, everytime I see his face, if I see him in a match, my thoughts are not "MAn this guy is/was good!", they're going to be "This guy killed his family."

It'll be a long time before I sit and enjoy (or even watch) a Chris Benoit match.

I'm not so sure if we should do that so soon. We still do not have any solid evidence linking one thing to another, and, in my mind (and this is just my own opinion right now, having being a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty), we're accusing Benoit too fast (God, I'm feeling uneasy saying that, but something in my gut is telling me to just not judge this too quickly, there's something else, and it's not just not wanting to believe the story or anything. I really do think, with all the issues regardling police investigations and not having one shread of DNA evidence being revealed or being looked at, that there's something not right). Steroids, abusive person, sickness, stressful business life and personal issues, whatever the hell else we're going to blame for this tragedy. It's funny that everyone has a different belief as to what could've caused it.

The only thing concrete they got (that they arre revealing to us) is something about a bruise on Nancy's neck. And you know, I'm puzzled about how QUICK they suddenly made that assumption that Benoit used his knee to hold her down (or that it WAS a knee-sized bruise). Think about this for a minute: In order to have that bruise come from ANY knee, think about how the human body would have to be positioned. He would have to be kneeling right on her, and whatever position you would think he could have to be able to DO such a feat, how in the fuck could he have been able to DO anything else (and I could make a safe assumption that he would want to be able to have some other type of leverage because such a bruise in that way would have to be going down REALLY hard, and Nancy DID have some long hair, and I would assume that it would give her SOME shielding)? He would have to keep his knee on her neck, while twisiting his body backwards, or be a complete contortonist. Picture yourself in that position. Plus, bruises, last I remember, are caused by actual hits, not doing what police are assuming. So, if Benot were to cause the bruise with his knee in THAT fashion, he would have to do a lunging knee drop onto her neck (one HELL of a feat), or be able to knee kick her in the neck. Both seem unlikely.

All I'M saying right now is that, by that alone, I'm thinking we have to wait for something that we can safely go on before we make all thee assumptions. Plus, OF FUCKING COURSE they are going to say Benoit did it. WHO ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO SAY DID IT?! Anyone know any other enemies the Benoit's had that would want to do something this disgusting?

And yes, I feel uneasy saying some of this stuff because there ARE alot of reports going around to say otherwise, but damn it, I can't accept what some of this stuff is as being looked into throughly.

[XL]

As much as I respect your right to belive all of that...I think you're clasping at straws.

[Danny Electric]

Lee I say this from my heart and you know how much I love dylan, the thought of doing anything like that destroys me.

But he must have been in a dark place, as you said we will never truly know what hapened in the house apart from how they were killed and he killed himsel.

From all the reports on him, from the testimonials, from what I've heard the guy loved his kid. So what the fuck happened

It's just a sad sitaution on all parts

[darkpower]

As much as I respect your right to belive all of that...I think you're clasping at straws.

As much as I respect your opinions, I hope to GOD you're wrong.

I may be. But part of me says to not accuse yet, and I'm just not going to until all the autopsies are done and we know everything, and no resonable doubt is left. Again, innocent until proven guilty.

Until then, we're basically putting Benoit's ghost and corpse in Gitmo.

[Theo Dious]

At this point, yes, yes I think we are.

Whatever caused it, Benoit went fucking nuts. I don't think he was in his right mind when he did it, and I feel pity for him for that, though not nearly as much as I feel for his wife and son. But, contrary to what we are led to believe on prime time cop shows, police investigators generally know what they're doing. If there was still a strong possibility that there was someone else involved in this incident, then the public would be asked for information. It seems that isn't the case.

I'm not sure if I will be able to seperate Chris Benoit the amazing in-ring performer from Chris Benoit the killer. Right now my copy of his DVD is sitting on top of a pile of DVDs that are going to be taken to a local store and sold for credit, because I don't think I'll be able to watch it again. Some other people might, not me. Anyone who saw me post yesterday knows that I wanted to see if there was more to this story that would make some sense out of it, but I never got it. So that's pretty much it at this point.

[darkpower]

But, contrary to what we are led to believe on prime time cop shows, police investigators generally know what they're doing.
Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree. :love:

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"

[Theo Dious]

Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree. :love:

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"

What you mentioned is about corruption, not ignorance or incompetence. Can you show me someone in law enforcement who is covering up facts concerning Benoit?

[darkpower]

Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree. :love:

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"

Addidum:

Case in point: In Wheeling, there has been this hunt for some guy that raped a 11 year old girl after kidnapping her in broad daylight (raped her in a church parking lot), drove her 5 minutes to do it, drove back, and left her for dead across the river. And the FBI is STILL looking for a "John Doe" and some old truck in which they STILL only have a sketch composite as the perputrator. This was AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!

I'm only happy that the Wheeling police are not investigating the Benoit thing, because we would NEVER get a clear answer at THAT rate.

[XL]

You know what darkpower? I hope to God that you are right.

Since this story broke and the speculation began I've been hoping there was some fowl play along the way. The last thing I want is for one of my favourite wrestlers to be a killer.

But sadly, regardless of all the things that "don't add up", I can't see there being another explanation to this.

And DE, I have no idea what your point was in that post.

[Theo Dious]

Addidum:

Case in point: In Wheeling, there has been this hunt for some guy that raped a 11 year old girl after kidnapping her in broad daylight (raped her in a church parking lot), drove her 5 minutes to do it, drove back, and left her for dead across the river. And the FBI is STILL looking for a "John Doe" and some old truck in which they STILL only have a sketch composite as the perputrator. This was AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!

I'm only happy that the Wheeling police are not investigating the Benoit thing, because we would NEVER get a clear answer at THAT rate.

And that is an ENTIRELY different story. For that to have any relevance to the Benoit situation, they would have to be looking at the dead girl and have a sketch and a vehicle description and be saying "well, we're not sure what happened." In the current situation, we know who is dead, and there is nothing that suggests that anyone else was involved.

[darkpower]

What you mentioned is about corruption, not ignorance or incompetence. Can you show me someone in law enforcement who is covering up facts concerning Benoit?

Not saying anyone is....I guess part of me is not accepting it...I just want to be 100% sure...I think we're only 80% right now...something is just not settling right...they're only human, after all.

I guess I have a good talent for seperating the murderous guy from the talented guy. Not ready to say "I can't watch any Benoit matches anymore" because I still can...I will never regret marking out when he won the title at WM20.

[darkpower]

And that is an ENTIRELY different story. For that to have any relevance to the Benoit situation, they would have to be looking at the dead girl and have a sketch and a vehicle description and be saying "well, we're not sure what happened." In the current situation, we know who is dead, and there is nothing that suggests that anyone else was involved.

Actually, I was just posting that to show how STUPID and LAZY some police people are. Didn't really have any relation.

[darkpower]

You know what darkpower? I hope to God that you are right.

Since this story broke and the speculation began I've been hoping there was some fowl play along the way. The last thing I want is for one of my favourite wrestlers to be a killer.

But sadly, regardless of all the things that "don't add up", I can't see there being another explanation to this.

If I'm competly right in this (and I don't know WHAT the fuck to believe right now), then they really need to fire everyone and hire me. :lol:

That is, after I get done with how freaked out I'd be if that were to happen. :shifty:

[Theo Dious]

Actually, I was just posting that to show how STUPID and LAZY some police people are. Didn't really have any relation.

I can agree with that, but the thing is that even a stupid and lazy cop can look over a property with a double-murder suicide on it and figure out if anyone else was present at the time, or even if there's a reason to believe that there was.

[Theo Dious]

Since this story broke and the speculation began I've been hoping there was some fowl play along the way.

BREAKING NEWS: CANADA GOOSE MURDERS CHRIS BENOIT, FAMILY
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[darkpower]

With all the sudden talk about police and shit being a bunch of fucktards, we need someone to stand up...time to call in....
http://www.atlantaboy.com/photos/uncategorized/nancy_grace_1.jpg
NANCY "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER" GRACE

SHE'LL get to the bottom of this!

[XL]

lol, shit, i actually stopped to work out how to spell it. Feel sooooo stoopid right now!

[Theo Dious]

NANCY "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER" GRACE

SHE'LL get to the bottom of this!

I'd like to get to the bottom of her. :naughty:

What? She's hot.

[darkpower]

I'd like to get to the bottom of her. :naughty:

What? She's hot.

Yeah, once you put a fucking paper BAG over her head.

[Theo Dious]

Oh fuck you, I'd do her before Paris Hilton ANY day.

[darkpower]

Oh fuck you, I'd do her before Paris Hilton ANY day.

Now THAT, I may agree with you on.

[Theo Dious]

Ok then. See, we can all find some happy fun ground sometimes. :D

[darkpower]

Ok then. See, we can all find some happy fun ground sometimes. :D

I'd still put a paper bag over her head...

With Paris, you don't need a bag, just five condoms on your cock when you go to actually hit it.

[owenbrown]

I'd still put a paper bag over her head...

With Paris, you don't need a bag, just five condoms on your cock when you go to actually hit it.

5 are not enough. :shifty:

[Theo Dious]

5 are not enough. :shifty:

The only safe amount is the amount that makes it impossible to put it in there.

[ford fairlane]

I have to agree with darkpower on this,some things do just not make sense in the way they have been described.

[DCXtreme]

I have so many things running through my head and I have no idea how to express any of it. Maybe I'll say something at a later date, maybe I won't. I don't know.

OMG MAKE SURE TO EMAIL ME WHEN U DO POST UR "MIND THOUGHTS!"

[darkpower]

The only safe amount is the amount that makes it impossible to put it in there.

I don't think I could BUY that many condoms.

[darkpower]

OMG MAKE SURE TO EMAIL ME WHEN U DO POST UR "MIND THOUGHTS!"
:wtf:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Theo Dious]

I don't think I could BUY that many condoms.

I don't think that many condoms EXIST. :shifty:

[DCXtreme]

Im serious now, anyone still thinking Benoit didnt do this is as crazy as he is/was.

[darkpower]

Im serious now, anyone still thinking Benoit didnt do this is as crazy as he is/was.

Just not going to say anything one way or the other until at least those reports come out in a few weeks.

[Theo Dious]

Just not going to say anything one way or the other until at least those reports come out in a few weeks.

At this point, I accept that he did it, I'm waiting for more reports to start passing out blame and condemnation.

[YOUR Hero]

Just not going to say anything one way or the other until at least those reports come out in a few weeks.

What more do you want?

Fuck :nono:

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

Pretty clear that 'he' did it.

At the moment I'm just believing that he wasn't himself when he did this, and was not in control of his own body and/or mind, which allows me to continue to celebrate his career.

[darkpower]

What more do you want?

Fuck :nono:

Uhh, dude...what's wrong with having everything there....I'm....kinda just expressing my view on this. Not saying he didn't or anything. I'm just trying to be respectful and actually using something called the AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM!!

You're basically telling me to fuck all MY morals just so I can please someone? C'mon!

[ttetf]

To me, its arguable anyone willing to take another human life (in any circumstance besides self-defense) is not in his/her right mind. Benoit clearly was not in his right mind. My guess is after killing his wife, he just totally sunk into lunacy and lost complete touch with reality and any comprehension of right or wrong. In fact, killing his son and himself probably was more justifiable in his crazed mind then not doing so.

I think in the long run, Benoit's wrestling legacy will be strictly as a tutorial for up and coming wrestlers. You want to learn how to put on a wrestling clinic in the ring and execute hundreds of moves to perfection? Watch a Benoit match. But celebrating the man's accolades and accomplishments like you would any past champion or popular superstar who DIDN'T murder his family just seems wrong.

[darkpower]

Regardless, I don't think his legacy should be thrown away...even if he is a murderer. This is more of a "this is what happens when you do steroids, this is what will happen" then a "Benoit is a murder, he was planning this from day one" sort of thing to me (part of the reason I'm waiting for the toxicity reports before passing any judgment).

[Disturbed316]

Aparently this was found hidden at the Benoit house:







http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4094/benoitshirtbo7.jpg











:shifty: Too soon?

[RP]

Last Man Standing at the Benoits.

[Paranoid Rattlesnake]

Regardless, I don't think his legacy should be thrown away...even if he is a murderer. This is more of a "this is what happens when you do steroids, this is what will happen" then a "Benoit is a murder, he was planning this from day one" sort of thing to me (part of the reason I'm waiting for the toxicity reports before passing any judgment).


He is a murderer, He has destroyed any legacy he had or would have had

[redoneja]

Bret Hart was a guest of Ross Abrams on Scorborough Country on MSNBC. He said he never saw Chris Benoit lose his temper or composure. He said when he first heard early reports, he hoped there was "a better explanation than this." He added: "I think it's going to be a long time before anyone gets over this in the wrestling business."

Abrams asked about Benoit dating Nancy while she was still married to another wrestler (javascript:void(0)). Bret said he didn't know such details. He said Chris never confided marital problems to him. "I always thought he was a good family man and a good husband," he said. Bret said most of his experiences with Nancy came at funerals (javascript:void(0)). Abrams seized that and asked about the deaths of wrestlers of the years. An on-screen graphic said that since 1997, there have been 1,000 pro wrestlers 45 and younger and 65 of them have died - 25 by heart attacks, five of 25 from steroid (javascript:void(0)) use, 12 deaths from use of other drugs. The death rate are seven times higher than the general population. There is 12 times the chance of a wrestler dying from heart disease.

Bret talked about steroids and pain kills. He said he understands a lot of that was remedied in recent years. "I don't want to see this pinned on steroids," he said. "I think that there is a deeper - it goes beyond that at this point."

Abrams asked: "Is this going to bring wrestling down? Is this going to be a pock that wrestling won't be able to overcome." Bret said, "No, wrestling will always keep going." He said there's no reason for this to ruin that for everybody. He said everybody loved and respected Benoit, noting, "That's why this is so hard to accept. We all loved him. This is a great man; I can't think of any wrestlers who wouldn't have come to the aid of Chris Benoit and support him in whatever he was carrying around." He said wrestlers are reeling from the deaths of so many of his peers, it's hard to accept. He said depression is a big part of it and this will only magnify it.

Abrams asked if people misread Benoit (javascript:void(0)) or was it steroids or another kind of drug that set him off. Bret said that should be left up to forensic experts. He said WWE (javascript:void(0)) had a strong drug testing policy in place since Eddie Guerrero died. He said they stamped out steroids. "There is no happy medium; it's no steroids, period," he said. He again said he hopes it's not related to steroids. But then he added that steroids may have been a factor and you need to look at the info as it comes in.


from NoDq.com

[St. Jimmy]

OMG BRET SCREWED BENOIT!!!!!!!














Too Late? :shifty:

[darkpower]

He is a murderer, He has destroyed any legacy he had or would have had

It may destroy the image and the reputation, but it never destroys the past. It can never erase the past, regardless of the crime.

Why is it so hard for people to understand? I know I'm in a very small minority here, and I already can tell my opinion is pretty unpopular, but I have to stand my ground here. Regardless of what anyone thinks right now, I want to see what the hell the OFFICIAL reports say before making any final judgment. We can go and accuse, we can all disagree, tell anyone else they are wrong and that they are retarded cunts for a position they take on this, but thing is, it's just something that I, as a human being who has always believed of innocent until proven guilty, cannot go and pass judgment on ANYONE before all of the evidence is process and fairly looked at and found out what went wrong here. It's not because I'm trying to defend a murderer or anything (but again, everyone has a right to a defense here), it's just something that I feel I should be doing, and if anyone sees me as being wrong, then so be it, but I'm going to wait and see. Chances are he ODed or the roids and went out of his mind.

Now, if he was stable, and aware of his actions, then the insanity plea wouldn't apply here, and I would be more than happy to send him to his execution. But more than likely, there is at the very least, an insanity plea being seen here. I don't know. Again, just something that I've always believe in doing, because you never know. Just bear with me on this, it's just the heart in me cannot possibly send someone, anyone, to their execution without seeing EVERYTHING there was to see.

[Jon Kano]

Just like to add my updated opinion. While I was holding out for some kind of alternate explantion as to what happened, its all now obvious.

I still respect, admire, love and will watch Chris Benoit the character (through DVDs etc obviously) and the dedication and loyalty he had for the wrestling industry was a paramount aspect of why I often looked up to him.

But for Benoit the person, the man he has shown to truely be, he should burn in hell.

[Felipewcw]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Radicalz.jpg

If the trend continues it doesn't look good for the man of 1,000 holds or the man who molested Pepe. :wtf:

Which brings up a good question, since I don't watch wrestling anymore, is Perry Saturn even still alive?

Also, didn't Dean Malenko have throat cancer or something?

[Theo Dious]

If the trend continues it doesn't look good for the man of 1,000 holds or the man who molested Pepe AND Moppy. :wtf:

[Avenger]

Thinking about Chavo there now. He's gotta' be pretty fucked up right now. How do you recover from something like this after losing your two best friends in these circumstances?

[Avenger]

and Malenko to an extent.

[Jon Kano]

I read on wiki, so it could be false, at some point after leaving WWE, Saturn attempted to stop some guy raping a woman, got shot 2 in the neck and eventually returned to the indy circuit. Fuckin soldier he is.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

For everyone saying he should rot in Hell, I hope for your sakes that they don't find a tumour or something else that this could be attributed to... Because you'll be feeling pretty terrible about your comments.

[Theo Dious]

Yeah, what the fake king said.

[BigDaddyCool]

For everyone saying he should rot in Hell, I hope for your sakes that they don't find a tumour or something else that this could be attributed to... Because you'll be feeling pretty terrible about your comments.

I prayed for god to have mercy on his soul.

[BigDaddyCool]

Benoit's got something to say.
He killed his baby today!
It doesn't matter much to him now that he's dead.[/Misfits]

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't wish anyone to Hell, the after-life is none of my business.

Heaven's just an unlikely end point for Benoit.

[El Dandy]

This effects me more than anything else has as a wrestling fan since I've always been a Benoit mark and he's always been my favorite wrestler. More than that, I've always looked up to him as a wrestler and have always thought of him as a good person. I am not going to make any comments on his death other than R.I.P to him, his wife, and his son because I do not know the exact circumstances of it despite what's been reported, I wasn't there. I will always respect him, miss him, and continue to watch him. R.I.P Chris Benoit.

[Kalyx triaD]

Chavo?

[El Dandy]

Yes, I would also like to wish for the best and send my regards to Chavo, Dean Malenko, and anyone else who was close to Benoit and his family.

[Kalyx triaD]

I was asking if you were Chavo...

Welcome to TPdub.

[Jon Kano]

For everyone saying he should rot in Hell, I hope for your sakes that they don't find a tumour or something else that this could be attributed to... Because you'll be feeling pretty terrible about your comments.

As a wrestler, whose health is paramount, I doubt he would've been wrestling, let alone able to if this was the case. Im pretty sure after all the knocks, bumps and whatnot they are scanned/checked monthly or even weekly for things like that.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'd hope so.

A tumour was just an example, there's plenty of other physical problems that could've led to this, or at least contributed to it.

I'm only mentioning it because most people here seem to be simply ignoring the obvious mental issues involved, so I'm hoping something tangeable shows up to prove to everyone that he wasn't himself.

[BigDaddyCool]

I'd hope so.

A tumour was just an example, there's plenty of other physical problems that could've led to this, or at least contributed to it.

I'm only mentioning it because most people here seem to be simply ignoring the obvious mental issues involved, so I'm hoping something tangeable shows up to prove to everyone that he wasn't himself.

Yeah, that old gem. He wasn't really guilty, he was crazy. If being drunk is no excuse for commiting a crime, then neither is being crazy.

[Theo Dious]

Meh, you choose to get drunk. If going out of his mind wasn't his fault, then I can't hold him fully responsible. Unless he went crazy because of something he chose to do.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

If you can't see the difference between drinking too much and having severe mental problems...

I hope you were joking. :-\

[Felipewcw]

For those who say you can choose to be drunk but NOT choose to be crazy....

http://www.mattwolf.info/images/tomcruise.jpg

I rest my case. :shifty:

On a more serious note, I don't think he was crazy, I think he snapped and then went crazy. He was fine until his wife called him and told him something that set him off. He flew home and lost it, killing her in the process. Once the reality set in of what he did he went off the deep end. Fear of his son growing up with what he did besides the fact of his handicap which had to play a factor into Benoits feelings towards his son, he contemplated it for a day and decided to end his son's life.

Not being able to live with what he had done along with going to jail and all the other ramifications (Friends/family/WWE/judicial system) that he would have to face, he took his own life, which after he killed his whole family took a day in itself to come to that conclusion.

I don't think he was crazy, I think he lost his temper in a fit of rage (Like it has been documented in the past with his abuse and furniture smashing)(BENOIT SMASH! :$ ) and killed his wife, which was the point of no return. And return he didn't. :-\

Note: I think it's eerily fitting that his signature taunt was the thumb across to throat as in he's going to cut off your head or it can now be taken as the media has thrown around so much lately, "asphyxiation".

[VonErichLives]

Meh, you choose to get drunk. If going out of his mind wasn't his fault, then I can't hold him fully responsible. Unless he went crazy because of something he chose to do.


If you can't see the difference between drinking too much and having severe mental problems...

I hope you were joking. :-\

example: he chose to do roids and roids are found to be the reason for what happened.

then, it's his own fault.

you smoke crack, you become a retard drooling on yourself because you smoked the crack it's your own fault.

you get drunk, you drive, you kill someone it's your own fault.

you choose to do roids, you rage, you kill someone it's your own fault.

[Felipewcw]

On another note, probably the only reference to Benoit on anything WWE related (Besides the front page section where WWE basically, as someone put it best "Throws Benoit under a bus")

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/videos/
The tribute video that aired on RAW.

[Theo Dious]

example: he chose to do roids and roids are found to be the reason for what happened.

then, it's his own fault.

you smoke crack, you become a retard drooling on yourself because you smoked the crack it's your own fault.

you get drunk, you drive, you kill someone it's your own fault.

you choose to do roids, you rage, you kill someone it's your own fault.


All very true. And if steroids or any other choice that he made turns out to be the reason for this, then yeah, fuck him.

[Destor]

I fail to see what this horrendous act has do to with his professional career. But whatever.

[Destor]

Also that roid bit is bs. There is a one day sepreation between all the killings. Roid rage doesn't work like that. Sounds more like Seppuku.

[Londoner]

^ Exactly what im thinking Destor, the fact that there's almost a whole day seperation shows he knew what he was doing, to an extent atleast. Its weird the more i hear about this the more its starting to sink in and the more uneasy i feel. I haven't really been that affected yet.

[RGWhat316]

I'm with darkpower. Regardless of what the media is saying, since they only like to trash pro wrestling and are trying in every way to make this look as bad as possible, I'm waiting for the whole story to come out before I say that he shoud rot in hell. Part of me doesn't even want to know what made this happen, but it's the only way to get closure.

[Theo Dious]

Seriously. No sane person WANTS to know the details. None of us WANTED to watch the press conference yesterday for entertainment. Nobody WANTED to know exactly how these things were done. But otherwise we simply wander around for eternity with an unresolved issue, and most people's minds don't like to leave things unresolved.

[Jeritron]

^ Exactly what im thinking Destor, the fact that there's almost a whole day seperation shows he knew what he was doing, to an extent atleast. Its weird the more i hear about this the more its starting to sink in and the more uneasy i feel. I haven't really been that affected yet.

The day long seperation between each murder is what makes the whole thing worse. I know some people don't want to believe it, but the fact is that no matter how you slice it Chris Benoit was a sick fuck. He did what he did and I just don't think theres a way around it.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can get past it. Technically, his career is still the same. But it's the same guy who flipped out and killed his family, it's a murderer. How often have you been entertained by a child murderer and watched them regularly? And how often have you continued to watch them?
To me, I think without a doubt the whole thing destroyed his career and legacy and everything about him.
I guess people can call their own shots. But to be honest I think anyone who says that Chris Benoit the man isn't Chris Benoit the wrestler bullshit is just in denial. I think it's really just a way of telling yourself some bullshit so you don't have to come to terms with it, and more pathetically, so you don't have to give up one of your wrestlers and some favorite matches.
Me, I have no problem doing it. I look at him, what he did to his family, what he did to his friends, what he did to his fans, his coworkers, his business and least of all his own legacy...I look at what he did and I see a monster and probably the biggest peice of shit that belongs in hell.

The thing that's weird about it, is not only is he a child murderer and wife killer, he's one that many of us have been in a presence of. One that all of us have watched. And one that most of thought we knew better, as wrestling fans falsey tend to do. Truth is we didn't. And now all I can say is true colors.
Usually when you hear about a filthy murderer, you hear about them because of what they did. Normally you don't know of them before it.

[Corkscrewed]

darkpower:
At this point, authorities have ruled it a double murder homicide. I recognize that it's very hard for you to accept that he did this, but unless there's video footage of him doing it, you're not going to get more proof than this. For a homicide investigation, this was absurdly fast. That means that when officers entered the home, it was so obvious what happened that they only had to check against other possible methods, rather than start from everything that might have happened and narrow that list down.

As painful as it is to accept, something in Benoit snapped, and he went into deliberate insanity. That is to say... he was aware of what he was doing, but his mental state of mind was obviously not normal. And all of this transpired over an extended period of time.

I liken the state of mind to the VaTech killer, who killed two people, went back to his dorm and mailed some shit, then went out and killed two dozen more people elsewhere before offing himself. This was deliberate on his part; no one will argue that. But obviously, the guy had some serious mental problems to drive him to that point.

I think Benoit had something similar that he kept to himself or to his family that drove him past the brink of deliberate insanity. Steroids MIGHT have contributed to that. Maybe they were what pushed him past the first act of murder, and after that, there was no turning back. OR maybe they had nothing to do with anything, and his mind had just already become so twisted that the murders would have happened regardless of drug use.

You know how in cults, members can be convinced of the craziest things? Consider this sort of a case of Benoit brainwashing himself, in a way. This wasn't "normal Benoit," but this wasn't a sudden fit of rage either. Not with confirmation that he killed Nancy on Friday, Daniel on Saturday or early Sunday morning, and himself later on Sunday.


In Regards to His Career:
People are right in saying that this deed, despite its despicable nature, cannot and should not ERASE his entire heralded career. But it taints it. A lot. People cannot help but look at it differently. No one looks at OJ and remembers his career more than his murder trial. Today, people see him as a sleezebag who got away with it. His actions as a human being tainted his legacy as a sportsman.

Lets face it: wrestlers are people too, and as much as you'd like to separate the two, human nature dictates that a person's character affects his performance legacy.

And even if you want to say "Benoit killing his family has no connection with his in-ring performances and his wrestling career..." Well, actually, I think it does. Think of the blow this deals to the WWE. Think of how he's crushed fans and colleagues who loved him, looked up to him, and viewed him. Think of the bad publicity he's dealt to the company. As an ambassador of the WWE, he represents the WWE, and more than most people because of his clout. But by doing what he did, he paints the WWE in a bad light, because people will see that a representative of a company brough violence out of the storyline and into real life.

So if you understand that argument, then you'll understand that in reality, Benoit's actions DO affect wrestling. They DO affect his legacy. His legacy is one of tremendous performance and excellence in the ring--only it ENDS with the most disgusting downfall anyone has ever seen.

Do you know the worst part of his killing himself? He leaves the WWE to pick up the pieces. Had he given himself up or stayed alive, he might be able to explain himself, or at least deflect the heat off the company by saying work didn't have anything to do with this (admittedly, he'd also have the chance to blame the company if he wanted to, but at least people could judge his manner and reaction and see if the blame was valid or not). But he killed himself. And at least in that way, the suicide was extremely selfish, because it ignored how his friends and his company would pick up after him.


Basically:
I can never look at Benoit the person the same way again. None of us can. But I can't look at him as a wrestler in the same way either, because like it or not, his actions as a person DID affect his legacy as a wrestler. They're not as divided, black and white, as some people want to believe. At least not the way I see it.

I believe Benoit killed his wife and family. Anyone who doesn't is in denial, similar to who some people believe Elvis or Tupac are alive, or that the World Trade Center was blown up by the feds and not terrorists. I am not denouncing those people for sticking with Benoit. I'm not calling you an idiot or saying you're stupid. You have every right to take your stance, because that's what fans do. But I am saying you're in denial, and I would urge you to accept what seems to be proven as soundly as possible under our legal and investigative system. As hard as that is to stomach.

[Jeritron]

Exactly. I've accepted the facts. He isn't and never will be anything to me other than a massive scumbag.

He claimed to be a family man, he claimed to love the business, he claimed to love his best friends, he claimed to be a man's man, and he claimed to be a fan and lockerroom favorite.
He let everyone down, to say the very least.
I look at him and just have hate. To be honest, I don't know how guys like Vince, Flair, Foley, Malenko, Jericho, Rey, HHH and all of the rest of them can't look at him and feel the same.
I'm very interested to hear comments regarding him. As far as I'm concerned, he's nothing but a child murderer.

[Corkscrewed]

Usually when you hear about a filthy murderer, you hear about them because of what they did. Normally you don't know of them before it.
That's a great point. I forgot to point this out in my above Alienoidasm (Alienoidasm - (noun) A long, apparently rambling post that actually makes good points and is well thought out, but may be hard to read because it's so damn long...). We've seen cases like this before in the news... dad kills wife and kids. Or dad kills kids. Or mom kills children.

We're quick to denounce these murderers. Heck, at another message board I frequent, many posters are denouncing Benoit. They don't know him. It's not a wrestling forum. They're seeing this from the common person's perspective. In Benoit's case, it's because we've loved and respected him in the ring. But how are we to know that he was fine outside of it? He was a very private person anyway. Even his friends might not have known, or been able to know.

The only difference here is that we knew and respected Benoit as a wrestler and "as a person" (or at least we thought we knew him as a person) before we knew him as a murderer. That's what makes this pill so tough to swallow.

[Jeritron]

Exactly. The only thing I can say about Benoit is that if I was religious, he would be in my prayers. I'd pray for his soul because he needs it.

Other than that, I can't have anything for him but disgust and anger.

"I don't understand things like this, and I probably never will." - Edge

[Londoner]

So what if we only knew him in the ring? Its tough when you hear of someone you grew up watching on TV and looked upto becoming a murderer.

[Jeritron]

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[Londoner]

I haven't lied to myself at all really, but yeah i get your point.

[James Steele]

I can't look at Benoit the same, but the fact is I still enjoyed his work and nothing can change that. I don't wish any man to hell, and I hope God has mercy on his soul. His family has been in my thoughts ever since this unfolded.

[Corkscrewed]

Yeah. It's just plain tough.

Hell, I'm pretty sure you'll hear non-wrestling fans just tear him a new one. Call him a monster, a sicko, a fucked up piece of shit and all that.

You'll hear that, because to most people (who don't follow wrestling), he's just a freak who killed his family for no apparent reason, AND was apparently shooting his son up with HGH (that's just fucking creepy; I don't care of Daniel had dwarfism or fragile X syndrome... unless it was under doctor's orders). To people who don't know him, he's just another sick murderer. To us, he's a guy we loved and respected... who turned out to be a sick murderer. And THAT'S why it's disgusting to accept. For us. Who "knew" him.

[SammyG]

You said it best Corkscrewed.

[darkpower]

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I guess this means I'm not allowed to have a different opinion than you or actually have morals. :nono:

[Splaya]

AccessNorthGa.com has posted the following Associated Press story on their site:

Professional wrestler (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184984102#) Chris Benoit met with his personal physician hours before he allegedly killed his wife and son and then hanged himself in his basement, the doctor said Wednesday.

"He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," said Dr. Phil Astin of metro Atlanta. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything."

Authorities say Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley over the weekend. No motive was offered for the killings, which were spread out over the weekend and discovered Monday.

Astin, who said he was Benoit's longtime friend and physician, said he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of the hormone. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of the meeting.

"I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," said Benoit. "He worshipped his child."

Investigators said Benoit's 43-year-old wife was strangled Friday with what appeared to be a cable in an upstairs family room, and her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, and his body was found in his bed, the district attorney said.

Before the killings, the family was struggling with how to care for the child, who suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184984102#) Entertainment.

"Him and Nancy were clearly struggling about this whole issue, about how to take care of Daniel," said McDevitt.

"I don't know what he confronted when he went back into the house," he said. "No one really knows that. We'll have to see. Clearly this issue of the son was a stressor on both of their relationships for some time."

District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on his neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.

Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs may have caused the muscle man nicknamed the "Canadian Crippler" to kill his wife and child and then himself.

The WWE (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184984102#), based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.

"The drugs they had found in there, including the steroids, were all pursuant to legitimate prescription. We know they know which doctor prescribed it," McDevitt said. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies."

While steroids can cause the paranoia and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage," the drug is also associated with deep and lengthy bouts of depression.

"Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future."


That is from Wrestlezone.com. The more info we get, the more confused I get.

[VonErichLives]

Usually when you hear about a filthy murderer, you hear about them because of what they did. Normally you don't know of them before it.

tell that to fans of OJ or people who wacthed Rober Blake.

I'm sure we can come up with more...

it's really nothing new in the sense of "someone we watched" I think where it's new is the generation it hits... typically these are older stars and hit an older group a group of who was already been exposed to murder in the news for decades.. in this case you have pimple faced kids with voices changing and trying to figure out puberty who remember Benoit in the first wrestling show they ever watched and have no clue how to feel or react.

[VonErichLives]

on a side note... has any thought/consideration been given about post concussion symdrome? it's also known to cause major mood swings and depression...

[Gray]

Looks like the News about Autism being reversed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6245742.stm) never got to Chris in time.

Not really said much on this issue though. On Sunday, there was only one match that i was looking forward to on the Vengeance card, and that was the Chris Benoit vs CM Punk match. A few days prior i told my friend of the really good match which Elijah Burke and Benoit had, so i had hopes of the match being top notch on Sunday.

A general feeling of disapointment swept through me when they announced that Benoit was having some personal issues and had to fly home, i didnt feel it was serious so i was going to decide to watch the following ECW and see what developed of the storyline that was bound to happen.

Late on Monday i had the intention of going to bed fairly early [Since i did afterall stay up to watch the PPV, but also because ive had a fair few problems of my own recently so i wanted the kip to refresh myself]. Just before going i checked the TPWW website. My heart sank when i seen what the main story was. [This one]. I tried to get onto the WWE website but it seems like it had been overloaded.

At the time, i only seen the title of the thread [Since TPWW was also dying] so i had this really sad feeling that my favorite wrestler had passed. When WWE did finally start working i then found out about other members of the family dying, i didnt know what to think. Was it a burgulary gone wrong? Was there some type of environmental issue which caused this. At no point did the thought of Chris actually killing anyone and himself come into my mind.

There was only about 15-20 minutes til Raw aired, so i decided that i would watch that, the look on Vince McMahon was real sad, but also on the looks of Taz and JBL as well, the comment about JBL having a child-like face was all too true, i only remembered seeing it once before - When Eddie died.

After every break [Jesus, people wasnt joking about all these commercial breaks Raw has been getting] i would rush on upstairs and get some more information - Which wasnt happening because TPWW was still running extremely slow.

When each of the "remeberence" video's where shown i didnt get sad, or upset.Something seemed different. I remember when Eddie died [Also stayed up for that tribute] i was crying for days, but that feeling wasnt there for Chris, and this was before i found out about what had happened. It was all too strange to me. The only time i was close to making any tears was when i was watching the Edge Remeberence, that really was a sad moment.

After it all, i went to bed, woke up and checked it all, this is when the news started coming out that foul play may have been involved. I didnt really WANT to believe it, so i was trying to find some other logical explanations and for most of the day i was getting the information as it happened - albeit some where rumours, but the denial for it all started to waiver.

I was shocked to hear about the tying up of his wife, im not a person who respects a man who hits a woman or child... So when you find out that one of the greatest wrestlers you knew and respected did this, you have to take a step back and go "woah... what the fuck?" The bible by the bodies i felt would signify something like opening the gateway to heaven for the deceased, but me personally, im not a religious person so who knows - I just feel he wasnt in his right mind when it all transpired, or was he? I just dont know.

What i do know is, that some of my favorite wrestlers have died over the past 10 years or so, Owen Hart, whom i was a huge fan of back when i was a kid, the British Bulldog because i met him in the town i live at during a local promotion and Eddie Guerrero for simply touching my heart, i never felt the same after the Eddie death, and with what Lawler said at the very end of Raw about loving family, that is one thing i have always had a problem with, and i hope that somehow i can take that message in that he gave over this whole situation...

Hm.. too much. :o

[Kane Knight]

on a side note... has any thought/consideration been given about post concussion symdrome? it's also known to cause major mood swings and depression...

Why do that, when you can just call him sick?

[addy2hotty]

Why do that, when you can just call him sick?

Beat me to it KK.

One poster in particular seems to have to say it a couple of times each page. We get the the fucking point already.

[Corkscrewed]

Frankly, this whole thing is fucked up.

But I'm really starting to think that the issue might very well have been the domestic dispute about Daniel, something that dragged him down over the past few months or years. Something he didn't share with anyone else outside of the family. Something that pushed him over the edge on Friday/Saturday night.

[Corkscrewed]

Why do that, when you can just call him sick?
Sick can also mean messed up in the head, consistent with an effect of PCS...

[KingofOldSchool]

While Edge and Batista had their "Do or Die" match Sunday at the PPV, Benoit and his family were having their own "Do or Die" match.









SPOILER: It ended in a draw






Yeah yeah I'm an asshole, I'm gonna rot in hell, etc.

[Jeritron]

Beat me to it KK.

One poster in particular seems to have to say it a couple of times each page. We get the the fucking point already.

Do you though?

[Skippord]

lol KoOs

[Londoner]

Im thinking the stress of coping with his child/wwe got too much.

[addy2hotty]

O'Reilly is all about wrestling deaths right now btw.

Interesting comment about Superfly causing the death of someone on the road and beating up women regularly.

He a sick fuck too?

[Londoner]

Fuck O'reilly.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yeah cause wrestlers are the lowest form of human beings around.

[addy2hotty]

Fuck O'reilly.

Indeed, but it wasn't him that said it. It was some wrestling historian.

O'Reilly was shouting about Benoit 'injecting his son with something'....that been confirmed, I may have missed it?

[addy2hotty]

Yeah cause wrestlers are the lowest form of human beings around.

Big bad Bill said 'you have to be twisted to be a wrestler' or something very similar.

[IC Champion]

Bill O'Reilly is a piece of conservative shit.

[XL]

It seems now that the major area of contention has changed from "Do you really think he did it?/Let's hope he didn't do it/Here's hoping there's more to this than meets the eye" to "Do you still respect his legacy/career?"

The way I see it is like this...

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone of the belief that Harold Shipman was a damn fine doctor before he killed those 215 people.

Or that Fred West was a great labourer/father before he killed those 12 girls/raped his own daughter.

My point kinda follows on from where Corky left off. Shipman and West were not known to the world until these heinous crimes were revealed where as Benoit was. I guess that's their great difference. I guess their similarity comes in the fact that all 3 men commited suicide before justice was served (Shipman commited suicide in prison)

What Benoit did over the weekend has eclipsed his career. As a bare minimum it has greatly tainted it.

As much as I could still watch a Benoit match and see the briliance of the guy, I'd always be thinking about what he did. Quite simply I don't wanna be thinking about it, so I'll be finding it difficult to watch anything with Benoit in it. Ever.

[KingofOldSchool]

ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:

[JTB31]

If you read Jillian Hall's blog she has become the 1st WWE superstar to speak out against Benoit.She said she is 100% behind Vince erasing all of Benoit's tributes and said that what he did is completely disgusting and unforgiveable.Though she did mention that Benoit was always nice to her.

[IC Champion]

This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

[McLegend]

ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and ask her if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:
lol yeah I watched that to.

[KingofOldSchool]

This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

B..b..b..but he's a wrestler and wrestlers use steroids and steroids causes roid rage. And since a wrestler commited murder and then killed himself, it must've been because of steroids!

Cause you know a wrestler who commits an act like this can't just be fucked in the head and had to be caused by drugs.

[Londoner]

ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:

Lmao, what was Brets reaction to that??

[KingofOldSchool]

Lmao, what was Brets reaction to that??

Just basically how Benoit loved and had a very strong passion for the business.

[IC Champion]

Even Bret has been defending Vince and the WWE, as far as the steriods and it contributing to the deaths.

[RGWhat316]

Wow O'Reilly was blaming Nancy for even being with Chris, basically blaming her for her own death.

[IC Champion]

It's Bill O'Reilly, what can you expect, nobody listens to him.

[311]

It's Bill O'Reilly, what can you expect, nobody listens to him.

:y:

[Corkscrewed]

This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

Maybe he was one of those procrastinating roid ragers. :shifty:

[hb2k]

Neither jusitfying nor condoning what happened, I have to question whether the first death was intentional. The timeline of events almost indicate like this was malicious and planned out, but if he went to the doctors the same day for a prescription, logic would say that he didn't have any intention of dying.

Also, Nancy's arms and legs being bound is bizarre as well - if it was a murder done with the knowledge of murder, or even in the heat of the murder, the priority wouldn't be to restrain, it would be to go straight to choke her. And if it was done afterwards, then it makes no sense and serves no purpose.

Then again, none of this makes any sense. I guess part of me just wants this not to be as ugly as it appears. Ultimately, it doesn't matter.

[owenbrown]

Not only was Chris Benoit a topic on Pardon the Interruption on ESPN... IT WAS THE LEAD STORY!!! They debated whether or not steroids should be regulated in pro wrestling. Around the Horn prior to PTI had Benoit in their "Out of Bounds" topic debating how the Benoit tragedy reflects on the WWE and talking about the steroids. I hear that ITunes has the ATH and PTI podcasts(all Itunes podcasts are free.) if you wanna watch. ATH the topic is midway or so in on PTI its about 2 minutes in.

[mrslackalack]

I would love to see Ludacris fight Bill O'Riley

[mrslackalack]

It seems this story is going to dominate the headlines for weeks and weeks to come.

[mrslackalack]

WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own

[ford fairlane]

Just read this article over at 1wrestling

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29057

Now i have to ask is this guy for real,there was innocence still left in wrestling??.
And to claim it as a victim is outright laughable,only in a world this messed up can one man's actions be used in such a way.
The industry with some innocence chews people up and spits them out on a daily basis,Maybe if the industry actually acted like a family as it keeps referring to this may have been averted.

[Xero]

WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own
I'm wondering how long before we see another Benoit match on a DVD release. Would they edit out matches with Benoit in say the SummerSlam sets? And eventually you're going to run into wrestlers who had a match that deserves to be on their set with Benoit.

[Corkscrewed]

Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something. :lol:

[Xero]

Boy, the 2004 Royal Rumble would have been a hell of a blurring job.

[mrslackalack]

The next WWE DVD's come out Aug 7th (Austin and WCCW) and while Benoit had nothing to do with WCCW a match of his against Austin might be on Stone Colds so you wonder if WWE would delay the release. Benoit is also featured frequently on the ''Do Not Try This at Home'' segments that precede a WWE DVD.

[mrslackalack]

No clue on future releases. Benoit ME Summerslam 04 against Orton and if Orton ever gets a DVD that and his Foley match are his 2 biggest matches to date and it would have to make the DVD.