MLB 2008 Season Thread [Archive] - Page 6

Dragon

07-25-2008, 08:47 PM

Kind of on the fence about the deal. It will obviously help this year but I don't really think a lefty reliever was vital for the Yankees. Giving up Tabata was really the only one that hurts. It just seems like a case of selling Tabata at his lowest value and buying Nady at his highest value during a career year.

The only top guy they really gave up was Tabata but he was probably top 5 prospect wise for their system. His stock really fell this year with injuries and other discipline problems though. I think the emergence of Jackson this year made this a lot easier for the Yankees.

ClockShot

07-25-2008, 08:49 PM

Xavier Nady? What the hell are Cashman and the whackjob up to?

OssMan

07-25-2008, 08:59 PM

Nady is awesome

Evil Vito

07-25-2008, 09:01 PM

Yeah I love Nady...I really wanted the Mets to get him but they'd have had to give up Jon Niese...who as far as I'm concerned should be going nowhere since he was born on 10/27/86...the exact day the Mets won the WS. :cool:

At least the Yanks have a player I like.

Triple A

07-25-2008, 09:47 PM

Nerve wracking

Evil Vito

07-25-2008, 09:56 PM

Holy shit, nearly had a heart attack at the end but wooooo. Mets 2 games out in front :love: Another awesome game from Pelfrey

ClockShot

07-25-2008, 10:01 PM

Running through my fingernails like a buzzsaw right now.

ClockShot

07-25-2008, 10:08 PM

:rofl:

Thanks for coming, Lowell.

Triple A

07-25-2008, 10:10 PM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yes

Dragon

07-25-2008, 10:11 PM

Nothing better than Joba out-dueling Beckett in Fenway Park.

Evil Vito

07-25-2008, 10:17 PM

I only saw the 9th inning cause I was watching the Mets but that was a pretty crappy call...but from what I hear he had a huge strike zone all day so Lowell should have swung.

VonErichLives

07-25-2008, 11:07 PM

as most of you know I'm not a big Youke fan, but can someone explain to me what the Jaba issue is with him and why the fucking umps don't just start tossing jabba out? I mean, he's now thrown at him 4 times in 4 games... next time if he does it they should just toss him no warning.

Hanso Amore

07-26-2008, 06:51 AM

There is a rule against using past incidents in a game. SO every game he will get a warning before he is thrown out.

VonErichLives

07-26-2008, 06:59 AM

There is a rule against using past incidents in a game. SO every game he will get a warning before he is thrown out.

is there really? I seem to remember umps giving warning before the first pitch to both teams in situations like that before... is this a new rule?

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 11:27 AM

Next time Joba throws at Youk, I have a feeling he's gonna charge the mound.

Loads of people on the Mets' radar right now...the ideal guy would be Jason Bay but they are also discussing Casey Blake, Randy Winn, and Raul Ibanez. I DEFINITELY don't want Winn or Ibanez. Nothing against Ibanez, we just don't need another lefty bat...and Winn is just meh.

Hanso Amore

07-26-2008, 11:57 AM

is there really? I seem to remember umps giving warning before the first pitch to both teams in situations like that before... is this a new rule?

I dont remember that happening, any idea when?

They haev a rule like that to prevent Ump grudges. Like When you are ejected, you can appeal and they review the Ump's judgement. That way he cant be "well, 2 years ago he called me fat" and wrongly effect the outcome of the game.

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 12:26 PM

The Yanks/Pirates deal apparently is different than originally reported:

Yankees get: OF Xavier Nady, LHP Damaso Marte
Pirates get: OF Jose Tabata, RHP Ross Ohlendorf, RHP Jeff Karstens, RHP Daniel McCutchen

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 12:50 PM

And this is close to getting done:

Dodgers get: 1B/3B/OF Casey Blake
Indians get: C Carlos Santana, RHP Jon Meloan

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 01:09 PM

Fuck, I thought Blake was the best option for the Mets...I even had him above Nady (as much as I love him). I guess I'd rank the options left as such:

1. Bay (Bucs will charge a shitload since they've already traded Nady and still have Bay under contract another year)
2. Dunn (Mets have shown no interest, plus he strikes out a ton...great power though)
3. Ibanez (not too thrilled about a decent, but nothing special, lefty bat)
4. Stand pat (better than the last two options)
5. Giles (nothing against Giles, I just fail to see how he would fit on this Mets team)
6. Winn (I would vomit if the Mets got him...he sucks)

Gertner

07-26-2008, 01:36 PM

lol fat ass Matt Stairs just got a triple.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-26-2008, 02:15 PM

That was a not a strike to Mike Lowell, I probably would flipped my shit too

:nono: @ JD Drew taking a called 3rd strike though to end the game

Gertner

07-26-2008, 02:33 PM

And this is close to getting done:

Dodgers get: 1B/3B/OF Casey Blake
Indians get: C Carlos Santana, RHP Jon Meloan

it's official

SammyG

07-26-2008, 03:31 PM

Wowwwwwwwww, we get Blake for nothing basically. I'll take that.

ClockShot

07-26-2008, 04:02 PM

Nady's in pinstripes and starting today. He and Marte must have grabbed a redeye or got into Boston early today.

Hanso Amore

07-26-2008, 05:17 PM

YOUR Hero

07-26-2008, 05:25 PM

What are the Yankees going to do with their outfield?

ClockShot

07-26-2008, 06:04 PM

What are the Yankees going to do with their outfield?

If Melky gets traded by the deadline, and I got a feeling this is why Nady got brought in, I will probably be one of many fans to raise hell and go hunting down in Tampa.

But before I throw ideas out, what's Nady got for a contract right now?

YOUR Hero

07-26-2008, 06:09 PM

Melky seems to be playing with some extra conviction today.

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 06:15 PM

Supposedly Melky might be included in a trade for Washburn

Hanso Amore

07-26-2008, 07:49 PM

If they didnt give up Melky for Johan, they aint giving him up for WASHBURN. I swear to god if they do I quit as a fan. I will murder someone. He is my single favorite Yankee right now.

Nady is on the last year of his contract IIRC

YOUR Hero

07-26-2008, 08:08 PM

Washburn? LOL... I hope the Mariners can pull that off.

ClockShot

07-26-2008, 08:55 PM

Kickass game today.

ClockShot

07-26-2008, 09:06 PM

Word going around the net right now is that the Yankees will take all money Washburn got going to him, but they ain't gonna send over a top prospect in exchange.

With the way things are going for us right now, just back out of this. NOW!

Evil Vito

07-26-2008, 09:11 PM

Nate McLouth and Jason Bay got pinch hit for and Mets minor leaguer Ruben Tejada got pulled from the game

Hmm, prolly more than just 2 teams I'm sure, but I REALLY hope the Mets landed Bay

Dragon

07-26-2008, 09:32 PM

With Matsui and Posada (most likely) out for the rest of the year it will probably be -

LF - Nady
CF - Melky
RF - Abreu
DH - Damon

I'd say Nady, Damon and Abreu switch in and out of the DH spot all year. Damon will probably be the DH for a while with him just coming back from the injury not too long ago. The best defensive OF would probably be Damon-Melky-Nady though. Abreu is kind of terrible in the field.

Dragon

07-26-2008, 09:38 PM

I honestly don't even want Washburn. And if they give up a Melky or Gardner type player to get him then Cashman is just terrible. Washburn has pretty identical stats to Rasner this year (ERA, WHIP). He's not that much of an upgrade.

The fact that the Yanks would be stuck with him next year is what really makes me not want him. They already have a ton of options for starting pitching next year.

Wang, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy. Pettitte and Mussina both have their contracts up but I expect at least one to be back.

And thats if they don't go after a Sabathia or Sheets or something (which I expect them to do).

YOUR Hero

07-26-2008, 09:58 PM

I'm hoping the Jays convince Burnett (believe it or not) to not opt out and that the Jays go after CC or Sheets. Not to mention going after a big bat. I truly believe, barring injuries, the Jays are *that* close to being WS contenders.

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 12:20 AM

Great game tonight despite the loss...fucking hell though, awful job by the Mets in RISP in extras. Just pisses me off that fucking Pujols had to be the one to win it...the one guy you know you can't fuck up with.

Hopefully Santana can get a win tomorrow.

Delgado is back though :love:

SammyG

07-27-2008, 03:52 AM

COME ON DBACKS WTF START LOSING AGAIN

Skippord

07-27-2008, 04:49 AM

yeah the time the Rockies get hot the Dodgers get the Nationals and the D'Backs get the Giants

:|

Hanso Amore

07-27-2008, 08:34 AM

I think they Jays are a much better team than they appear.

I dont think they could ever afford a Halladay/Sheets/Burnett top 3 though. That would be scary though, albeit coming with injury risk.

The Jays really should make a run for Adam Dunn, especially if they lose Rios.(Is he locked up yet, I keep thinking he could be a FA)

They would be a better contender then, but they still have too many guys that are injury plagued, but somehow, IF they could get everyone back full strength, then yeah, I think they could push for a Widcard.

Hanso Amore

07-27-2008, 08:36 AM

I dont know what happened, but I used to hate Giambi, I was so pissed when they signed him, but he has slowly grown on me, and I love him now. I hope they keep him around for a few more years.

He is underrated right now. He doesnt put up his old MVP numbers, and his Average sucks, but he has good power still, is a hard out, and gets on base.

Splaya

07-27-2008, 10:30 AM

Great game tonight despite the loss...fucking hell though, awful job by the Mets in RISP in extras. Just pisses me off that fucking Pujols had to be the one to win it...the one guy you know you can't fuck up with.

Hopefully Santana can get a win tomorrow.

Delgado is back though :love:

I picked up Delgado in my fantasy baseball league 2 days ago. 3 hr's 5rbi's the past 2 days and he has saved my week

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 11:36 AM

Yeah Delgado has been beasting it right now...insane.

Even in defeat, I'm really encouraged. The Mets overcame a 4 run deficit AND a 3 run deficit in the same game. A month ago, the game would have been over after going down 4 runs. Feels like some of the 2006 magic is back.

YOUR Hero

07-27-2008, 11:42 AM

Hanso Amore

07-27-2008, 11:51 AM

Rios is like a young Abreu. 5 Tools. Great player, good thing they locked him up.

Havent seen many Toronto games this year. Didnt know they were a few games over 500.

If they were in any other division, they would be in 1st.

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 03:23 PM

Now talks are floating around about Melky for Brian Bannister

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 03:39 PM

Johan Santana throws a complete game, the first 9 inning CG for the Mets since 2006 :love:

The team connected on all cylinders today, good series with the Fish coming up.

ClockShot

07-27-2008, 05:52 PM

Now talks are floating around about Melky for Brian Bannister

I still don't like this. :nono:

SammyG

07-27-2008, 06:00 PM

Nomar leaves the game due to an injured knee. awesome.

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 06:06 PM

lol wow the Braves are terrible.

It amazes me how bent out of shape the scoreboard makes some people. I always check the Phillies/Marlins' scores but it's wayyyyy too early to put any stock into it. :o I prolly won't start actually worrying about the scoreboard for at least another month.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-27-2008, 06:30 PM

Fucking downpouring in Boston right now, wonder if it'll let up before the game tonight. Red Sox will probably be better off if it gets pushed back, playing like shit right now

VonErichLives

07-27-2008, 07:58 PM

tarp on game being pushed back.

Manny says "if the red sox think they'll be better without manny rameriez then they should trade me and i'll approve it" (yes, he talked about himself in 3rd person).

ESPN is reporting the sox have talked to a few teams and offered to pay his salary this year but they want top prospect in return, if he stays the season Manny has said he'll play and not sit out.

If the sox don't p/u the option at years end they get 2 draft picks one being a first rounder and an advantage they have is a lot of team pass on some top prospects because the cost to sign them, where the sox are willing to pay the money to a top "unproven"...

ClockShot

07-27-2008, 08:21 PM

This game is gonna start at 9!?

Guess I'll knock out an episode of BSG and check back later.

YOUR Hero

07-27-2008, 08:48 PM

I keep hearing how Boston fans are tired of Manny's antics now as well. So I'd like to hear from some of the Red Sox fans on here what they think about this new situation

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 09:02 PM

Wow, A's reliever Brad Ziegler has broken the record for scoreless IP to start your career (he's at 27.0 IP now)

Nervous Ferret

07-27-2008, 09:08 PM

http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=3172
SIDNEY

Innovator

07-27-2008, 10:00 PM

Atta boy Ponson, you fuck

SammyG

07-27-2008, 10:19 PM

lol yankees

MVP

07-27-2008, 10:30 PM

I keep hearing how Boston fans are tired of Manny's antics now as well. So I'd like to hear from some of the Red Sox fans on here what they think about this new situation

He does this almost every season around this time. I'm not sure if the media provokes Manny into making these statements or if he just acts like this before the trade deadline, either way, I have trouble taking it seriously. I respect Manny enough to turn a blind eye to his bold statements. It does get old, but Manny has done too much for the team for me to want to see him traded.

From what I heard, in 2006 Manny was asking to be traded because he was caught sleeping with Edgar Renteria's wife. Maybe this time he's banging Pedroia's wife.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-27-2008, 10:30 PM

I keep hearing how Boston fans are tired of Manny's antics now as well. So I'd like to hear from some of the Red Sox fans on here what they think about this new situation

I don't really care to be honest, but knowing how everything works with the Red Sox it'll just get blown up by everyone. Whatever though as long as he keeps hitting and driving in runs he can say whatever the fuck he wants. He's not a good PR guy, that's pretty obvious - he is just saying what he is feeling, I am sure there are plenty of other players who felt the same in similar situations but where just smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

Evil Vito

07-27-2008, 11:05 PM

I had read that the Phillies would be the team most likely to get Manny in a trade because he has a connection with Charlie Manuel.

It'd be scary facing the Phillies at the plate but seeing Manny and Pat Burrell in the same outfield would be a joke defensively.

VonErichLives

07-27-2008, 11:47 PM

manny's old trade request wasn't reterias wife, but he had a mistress who turned into a stalker and his wife flipped out.

the player/wife thing was Cabreara and Foulke's wife (explaining why they let OC go after the WS win)

the truth is, every single season Manny at some point takes "time off" and it's usually not at the best time, wether it's a fake injury or a relative dies again, or whatever but the flip side is he's going to go down as probably a one of the top hitters in baseball and he shows up in the playoffs and kills the ball.

the issue isn't what he says, the issue is things like he shows up for the NY game is in the lineup and tells the manager "sorry, my (knee?) has been hurting all week, and I'm not playing" and you can tell Francona is sick of his stuff because Francona keeps everything in house, but he put this one out "I had him in the lineup, said his knee hurt all week, was the first me and the training staff had heard of this, no idea why he didn't tell us sooner so we could give him treatment and maybe a game off so we'd have him for this big series with the yankees"....

This time the thought is Manny wants to piss them off because he's afraid they might pickup his 20mil option and he thinks he can either get more per year or get less per year but a longer deal.

So yeah, I really don't care if he takes a few games off during the year (or disapears into the monster during the game) as long as he shows up in the playoffs.

VonErichLives

07-27-2008, 11:48 PM

and as much as Manny isn't the best fielder, he has a cannon of an arm and is one of the few guys left in the majors that can go outfield to home w/o a bounce and he also knows that wall... having a new LF for the rest of the season and post season that doesn't know that wall well would worry me a bit.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-28-2008, 01:24 AM

SammyG

07-28-2008, 01:51 AM

Dodgers at .500. First time since... may 27 or some shit.

ClockShot

07-28-2008, 05:52 AM

I thought it was a good idea to turn it off after the 1st.

Supreme Olajuwon

07-28-2008, 07:08 AM

There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of talk about Dunn or Griffey getting traded somewhere but there does seem to be a lot of talk about Bronson Arroyo. And of course the two most interested parties are the Red Sox and Yankees.

Evil Vito

07-28-2008, 08:24 AM

Wow, I just read something in ESPN the Magazine that said that the Nationals average 9,000 viewers a game on television...holy shit that's embarrassing :o Bet they regret building a new stadium instead of just moving again

VonErichLives

07-28-2008, 10:01 AM

And as for his comments, if you hear the entire thing it really isn't bad as it sounds. Manny basically said if the Red Sox found a deal that make the Red Sox better and also work out for him then he would be willing to waive his no trade clause. The interview is actually pretty hilarious if you hear the whole thing.

he also said "enough is enough" and when asked enough of what said "you have to ask theo and john henery, they know what"...

apperently it's come out that Scott Borus called Theo and said Manny wanted the last 2 years (club options) torn up and a 5yr deal and Theo said no, Borus then asked the sox to let them know if they're going to pick up the option and asked them not to and was told "the deadline in the contract is november, we'll let you know them".

the mumble is this is all Borus, that Borus is in manny's head and is trying to get Manny a new 5yr deal either in Boston or else where... Borus I'm pretty sure wasn't Mannys agent when he signed this deal, so if the Sox pickup the club option the next 2yr, Borus doesn't get a cut...

if that's true, it's really Sad manny can be manipulated like that... then again, this is the same guy (manny) who tried selling his old BBQ grill on ebay for a profit...

Evil Vito

07-28-2008, 10:08 AM

Boras is such a dick...funniest thing is when he instructs a client of his to hold out for a 4 year, $50+ million deal and they wind up getting stuck with a 1 year offer (Kyle Lohse this year...though he'll probably get a bigger contract in the offseason)

The more and more I see of Fernando Tatis, the more I think he needs to stay in the lineup. The Mariners want the Mets to give up friggin Jon Niese for 2 months of Raul Ibanez, hell no.

Hanso Amore

07-28-2008, 10:59 AM

I would rather the yanks get Bronson than Washburn, because they wont want Melky with Bruce in their outfield.

Is Griffey's contract up?

They needto lock down Dunn though.

ClockShot

07-28-2008, 12:20 PM

Yankees are quietly on the prowl for a catcher. They asked the Rangers about Gerald Laird and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. But they didn't get nowhere.

Gotta be someone down on the farm to give Molina a rest. Unless Chad Moeller is sitting on the bench and I haven't seen him.

ClockShot

07-28-2008, 08:27 PM

Jorge Posada is going for season ending shoulder surgery. :wavesad:

VonErichLives

07-28-2008, 08:56 PM

Jorge Posada is going for season ending shoulder surgery. :wavesad:

Who is it worse for? Posada or Borus who was going to use Posada deal as a basis to get V-Tek a big deal...

Evil Vito

07-28-2008, 08:59 PM

Wow...John Maine is cruising along, Jerry Manuel comes out because he thinks Maine got injured in the 4th...Maine's velocity starts low upon pitching again but then gets back to normal

...and Manuel pulls him. Now Johan's complete game seems pretty worthless because the bullpen is gonna get overly taxed again. And they show Maine in the dugout and he looks completely pissed off at the fact that he isn't in the game. I think Manuel overreacted here

FakeLaser

07-28-2008, 09:54 PM

Jorge Posada is going for season ending shoulder surgery. :wavesad:
Good

Dragon

07-28-2008, 10:39 PM

Yeah, Posada really needed to get it done. Its not like he was hitting at all since coming off the DL the first time. Now he can probably be ready for next season.

Yanks probably should get a catcher or at least start using Moeller more. Molina must be getting near career highs in games played so you would think he will start wearing down if he's catching everyday.

Boomer

07-28-2008, 11:03 PM

It's hard for the Atlanta Braves not to suck when every good player on your roster has been injured except the guys they're probably going to trade.

Innovator

07-28-2008, 11:25 PM

Good for Jorge to swallow the pride,

Evil Vito

07-28-2008, 11:51 PM

Wow, I absolutely hate games like these. The Marlins did everything they possibly could to lose and the Mets' bullpen still tanks it away. They were shit hot during the streak but they were playing terrible teams. I dunno. A lot of people have been calling for an outfield bat...while it'd be nice, the priority HAS to be getting a reliever.

Right now, I think our rotation truly looks the best it has since 1986 and the offense has been able to come back from most deficits...but the bullpen is just missing something.

Evil Vito

07-29-2008, 12:16 PM

God I can't wait for the trading deadline to be over. So sick of the new rumors and speculation coming every 2 seconds.

Question for you Hero...what's the status of Brian Tallet? I know he just hit the DL, but is it a serious injury? I'd like the Mets to get him because he probably wouldn't cost much more than a decent, but not great, prospect. He'd be a helluva lot cheaper than Scott Downs.

SammyG

07-29-2008, 03:51 PM

Hudson out for the year again. NO WAY!

Splaya

07-29-2008, 06:12 PM

Mark Teixera is traded to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and a minor leaguer

Boomer

07-29-2008, 06:46 PM

Results from my previous comment...tonight's Braves starting lineup

G. Blanco lf
Y. Escobar ss
M. Kotsay cf
G. Norton 1b
O. Infante 3b
K. Johnson 2b
J. Francoeur rf
C. Miller c
J. Campillo p

ClockShot

07-29-2008, 07:18 PM

Is it September yet?

MVP

07-29-2008, 07:22 PM

Mark Teixera is traded to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and a minor leaguer

Just in time to wrap up their series with the Sox tomorrow :mad:

Hanso Amore

07-29-2008, 07:31 PM

Jesus, that is all the Braves got? Kotchman is good, and Teixera is in a walk year, but come on, they didnt even get any of the good angels prospects. They could have easily pulled a better deal. This really fucking seals up the West.

Boomer

07-29-2008, 07:48 PM

The Braves have Kotchman for 3 years, and Stephen Marek will probably be in our bullpen at some point next year. We saved some money and got a better than average 1st basemen so we can be more concerned about getting 2 OF and starting pitchers for next year.

The Angels get 2-3 months of Teix, and get to deal with Boras. I wouldn't say I'm thrilled that Teix is gone, but I think it was the right move. You have to compare what the Braves got to what we could have gotten with two first round draft picks really. The Braves needs are a little more immediate than that.

SammyG

07-29-2008, 07:53 PM

Woooooooo, Torre designates Fatdruw Jones as the 4th outfielder. Awesome.

Boomer

07-29-2008, 07:58 PM

I'm so happy we got rid of him. I feel bad for him though :(

Hanso Amore

07-29-2008, 08:34 PM

I wanted to see him rebound, but I think he needs to go to the minors. it will help him get his stroke back, with less pressure.

Dragon

07-29-2008, 09:29 PM

And Pedroia breaks up Lackey's no-hitter with 1 out in the 9th. You can pretty much guarantee that as soon as ESPN starts showing the inning the no-hitter will be broken up.

ClockShot

07-29-2008, 09:30 PM

Woooooooooooooow. John Lackey almost took the Red Sox bench out to the woodshed.

YOUR Hero

07-29-2008, 09:44 PM

Kotchman is supposed to be a real gem that is just slow in developing. I think that's why there wasn't a boat load of players going the other way.

As for Tallet, he's got a broken toe and I'm not too sure how many years he's signed for, I believe it's just this year but I do not know for sure.

Evil Vito

07-29-2008, 10:18 PM

Big bounce back win for the Mets tonight...the pitching was on, just what I like to see. Heilman and Wagner looked great...hopefully the other relievers can follow suit.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-29-2008, 10:20 PM

They could have easily pulled a better deal. This really fucking seals up the West.I don't think they made the trade to seal up the West, pretty sure they already had that on lock.

Angels looking real dangerous for the post season, great pitching, great hitting and a great closer...damn

Dragon

07-29-2008, 10:25 PM

Girardi with some pretty terrible decisions this game. Not sure why the big bat we just acquired in Nady is sitting on the bench. Especially after he hit a HR yesterday.

YOUR Hero

07-29-2008, 11:00 PM

Don't know why they picked up Sexson either and why they even play him. Problem is they are aquiring a bunch of guys and still have to play the guys they have. They're stuck with too many guys that have to get playing time.

Dragon

07-29-2008, 11:13 PM

They haven't played Sexson too much thankfully. Sexson and Betemit both shouldn't really be in the lineup except when someone needs a break.

The thing with Girardi is he likes giving too many guys a break at the same time. I've been happy with what Girardi has done this year expect for the fact that it seems like he over-manages the game at times. There's been times where he has sat every lefty he could and played all the right handed bench guys. Getting too caught up in the whole lefty/righty thing can hurt more than it helps sometimes.

Innovator

07-29-2008, 11:33 PM

Why did we get Sexson to hit against lefties...AND YOU LEAVE HIM ON THE BENCH AND MAKE BETEMIT HIT RIGHTY?!?!?!

Betemit was hitting .180 against lefties, CMON

Evil Vito

07-29-2008, 11:35 PM

Wow, just looked at the Mets' schedule...in their final 2 months they play: 9 against the Nationals, 9 against the Braves, 7 against the Astros, 5 against the Pirates, 3 against the Padres.....that's 33 games against some pretty awful teams.

They need to beat down on those bad teams, unlike the 2007 Mets. I'm hoping the Marlins will come down to earth the next time they play as well.

Boomer

07-29-2008, 11:37 PM

I wanted to see him rebound, but I think he needs to go to the minors. it will help him get his stroke back, with less pressure.

I would hope so, but this has been going on for a year now. He was always very stubborn with Terry Pendleton about changing his swing. I imagine he has held on for as long as he has because of his defense...which has always been near the top.

SammyG

07-30-2008, 01:10 AM

Fuck Andruw. Seriously, eaily the worst hitter i have ever seen in my life.

Boomer

07-30-2008, 09:11 AM

Then you haven't seen Corky Miller.

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 11:56 AM

OssMan

07-30-2008, 12:03 PM

That rumor floats around every single year

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 12:12 PM

Yeah but given Manny's contract status, it seems more plausible now. I'm just imagining if the Mets made that trade...and then did another move and got a reliever like Chad Bradford on the cheap as a salary dump. And then Church and Castillo come back...

SS Reyes
CF Beltran
3B Wright
1B Delgado
LF Ramirez (I bat him below Delgado just for the RL balance)
RF Church
C Schneider/Castro
2B Easley/Reyes/Castillo

Schneider/Castro
Easley/Reyes/Castillo
Easley/Reyes/Castillo
Tatis
Chavez

Santana
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey
Martinez

Wagner
Heilman
Feliciano
Schoeneweis
Smith
Bradford
Sanchez

---

:drool:

But again...I really doubt it. I do see Omar getting a reliever though or calling up Eddie Kunz.

DaveWadding

07-30-2008, 12:58 PM

You have to compare what the Braves got to what we could have gotten with two first round draft picks really. The Braves needs are a little more immediate than that.

Or consider that the D'Backs were offering two major leaguers for him (Chad Tracy [who is a professional hitter and versatile] and Micah Owings [struggling on the mound right now, but a Georgia boy and a damn fine hitter]) Oh well. My opinion is the D'Backs didnt really need Tex anyways.

Innovator

07-30-2008, 12:58 PM

If Manny doesn't get traded, I can see the Yankees making a play for him in the offseason and saying goodbye to Giambi

As much as I hate him as a Red Sox...I'd be giddy with him batting behind A-Rod

Dragon

07-30-2008, 04:08 PM

If Manny doesn't get traded, I can see the Yankees making a play for him in the offseason and saying goodbye to Giambi

As much as I hate him as a Red Sox...I'd be giddy with him batting behind A-Rod

I really can't see the Yankees signing him at all. We'll already have the DH spot full and I don't want him in LF in Yankee Stadium everyday. I also think Yankee fans and Girardi in particular would get fed up with his lack of hustle and just crazy shit really quick.

Dragon

07-30-2008, 04:10 PM

I mean just yesterday the Sox were getting no-hit and if Manny would have even jogged a little faster he would have gotten a hit.

That sort of stuff would get old really fast.

SammyG

07-30-2008, 04:26 PM

WHOAAAAAAA, What? Ivan Rodriguez traded to the Yankees!

Skippord

07-30-2008, 04:39 PM

Ivan Rodriguez for Kyle Farsworth?

okay?

OssMan

07-30-2008, 04:51 PM

Yankees fans are rejoicing right now...

Hanso Amore

07-30-2008, 05:01 PM

HOLY SHIT!

THIS IS AMAZING!

WE GET RID OF FARNSWORTH, WHICH IS REASON ENOUGH TO REJOICE, AND WE GET PUDGE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!

FUCK YEAH

Hanso Amore

07-30-2008, 05:03 PM

IM STILL IN AWE!

Cashman pulled this out of his ass

Great trade.

Splaya

07-30-2008, 05:06 PM

GOD FUCK YOU GUYS....

Nah but seriously, this is an even trade when you think about it. In realization, Pudge is done. Don't know if you Yankees fans know this, but Pudge doesn't play every day. Whereas Farnsworth is not a great pitcher, he is a legit bullpen arm. Pudge's numbers have gone down every year including this year. When a team is desperate, they will overpay for someone. This is what the Yankees have done.

I thank Pudge for what he did for the Tigers. But it was time to move on, and I'm glad about this

Nervous Ferret

07-30-2008, 05:10 PM

LOL@ Splaya

We don't need Pudge to play everyday, Molina has been amazing this year. We just can't really afford to play Chad Moeller every few days

I would probably be this happy if the Yankees had DFAed Farnsworth. Unreal how many games he has single-handedly blown the last few years.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-30-2008, 05:13 PM

Fuck I have Pudge on my fantasy team...his playing time is probably gonna get cut down eh?

Loose Cannon

07-30-2008, 05:13 PM

OMG Thank you Jesus. One of the best days of the year since I beat Ocraina of Time on Jan 8th 2008. Good bye you sack of shit

Loose Cannon

07-30-2008, 05:15 PM

and this whole Pudge thing is a bonus. I could of cared less if we picked up Pudge or TPWW Poster Splaya for Kyle Farsworth.

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 05:35 PM

I think Cashman has been packing heat going to negotiations with these last two trades.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-30-2008, 05:39 PM

Rumors brewing that the Mets, Red Sox, and Pirates are discussing a 3-way trade. Something like:

Mets get: OF Manny Ramirez
Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay, OF Fernando Martinez
Pirates get: C George Kottaras (who they love) and a couple other prospects

The thing that worries me is the Mets' main concern is pitching...and I'm hearing Manny won't waive his no-trade clause UNLESS the team he's going to rips the 2009 and 2010 options out of his contract because he wants to be a FA. If the Mets traded their top guy for Manny, fail to win the WS this year, and don't re-sign him...it'd have to go right up there as one of the worst trades ever.I don't really mind this trade as long as the Red Sox don't give up any good prospects to the Pirates. This is the only trade I've seen where Manny's bat is replaced for THIS season, so I think it could actually happen. I don't think it will though

I've always been a Manny fan but if it does go through I can't really say much...I was pretty pissed when they traded Nomar however that season turned out pretty damn good...

Splaya

07-30-2008, 05:40 PM

and this whole Pudge thing is a bonus. I could of cared less if we picked up Pudge or TPWW Poster Splaya for Kyle Farsworth.

I'll take that as a compliment

CSL

07-30-2008, 05:46 PM

So is Derek Jeter black or white?

SammyG

07-30-2008, 05:53 PM

Whatever Tiger Woods is.

Dragon

07-30-2008, 05:59 PM

Fuck I have Pudge on my fantasy team...his playing time is probably gonna get cut down eh?

I think he'll be catching most days.

He isn't a premier offensive catcher anymore but he is a huge upgrade from Molina.

And Splaya, how can you say the Yankees overpayed for him? You do know who Kyle Farnsworth is right? He has been solid this year but I don't think any Yankee fan truly trusted him. Kinda feel a little bad for the guy, he was pretty broken up about being traded on the postgame show today.

The fact is that Farnsworth was pretty much our 5th best bullpen arm this year. It will obviously help the Tigers though considering he will be one of their better bullpen guys.

CSL

07-30-2008, 05:59 PM

Tiger Woods is black. Derek Jeter appears to be unable to make his mind up

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2008/07/30/jeter.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1298/1046139123_139733018a.jpg

I'm guessing he has a black mother/father or something

Hanso Amore

07-30-2008, 06:23 PM

Jeter's dad is black, mom is white

Dragon

07-30-2008, 07:49 PM

LOL, Peter Gammons and Steve Phillips fighting on BBTN about Manny. Gammons really does despise Manny right now.

So many trade rumors going on right now with that. The way this is going I think the Sox have to trade him.

Oh yeah, here's Manny's latest quote - "The Red Sox don't deserve a player like Manny Ramirez"

ClockShot

07-30-2008, 08:24 PM

What the hell is this. Year of the rentals?

Sabathia to the Brewers
Teixeira to the Angels
Pudge Rodriguez to the Yankees.

All in the last year of their contracts.

So boys and girls. I'll throw out the question. Who's gonna resign with the team after the year is over? Or who do you think is leaving? Feel free to add to the list.

Dragon

07-30-2008, 08:36 PM

This trade deadline has been so much more interesting than years past. Most of the time its all rumors but this year there has actually been quite a few big names being moved around.

OssMan

07-30-2008, 08:43 PM

Why does MLB.com keep saying Ichiro got 3,000 hits?

Hanso Amore

07-30-2008, 09:04 PM

I think that counts his Japan time, they have been making it a minor deal. I dont think they should count.

Not one of those guys will be back with their team, but the best bet is Pudge. Teix is going to want a ransom, and the Angels MIGHT pay, but they already have a huge payroll. Brewers cant afford Sheets and CC, they will be lucky to get Sheets. CC will end up with a NY or Chicago team, I am calling it now. Teix will end up back in Texas!

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 10:18 PM

Seems like Manny to the Marlins is pretty much a done deal...shit.

Marlins get: OF Manny Ramirez and a prospect from Boston
Red Sox get: OF Jason Bay and LHP John Grabow
Pirates get: OF Jeremy Hermida, 2 prospects from Florida, and one prospect from Boston

I'm assuming the prospects Boston is giving aren't all that good. And this is all pending Manny waiving his no trade clause.

-edit-

The deal has been sent......damn.....

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 10:20 PM

Tough series loss, but this is the first series loss all month. Time to see if we can start beating on the crappy teams.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-30-2008, 10:43 PM

lol what the Marlins? Really?

Where are you seeing this?

McLegend

07-30-2008, 11:11 PM

I don't know if this Picture is legit or not, but it's hilarious.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8528/mannycv8.jpg

OssMan

07-30-2008, 11:12 PM

Last time the Marlins got a prospect from Boston they got the best shortstop in the NL

Evil Vito

07-30-2008, 11:13 PM

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=967

Odd that the Commissioner's Office has been informed of the deal yet it might still fall apart.

Marlins are such a frustrating team to watch, it seems that all they do is go for the long ball.

Skippord

07-30-2008, 11:15 PM

gonna be so pissed if the Marlins get Manny right before they play the Rockies

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-30-2008, 11:21 PM

I don't know if this Picture is legit or not, but it's hilarious.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8528/mannycv8.jpg

LOL That's awesome

MVP

07-31-2008, 12:19 AM

Manny, do the right thing and don't waive that no-trade clause. Boston 4 lyfe.

That picture is hilarious though

Loose Cannon

07-31-2008, 12:27 AM

I dunno, I love Manny Ramirez. He's a huge goofball that just does whatever he feels like doing and always seems to be involved in odd plays like him rolling around last week after missing a ball ROFL. I will always remember that play where a ball was hit to him and the cutoff man was literally 10 feet from him and he like beamed the ball at him almost killing the guy. haha

SammyG

07-31-2008, 12:44 AM

lol @ that pic. lol @ Manny in general, I love him.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 01:41 AM

Tonight he caught a ball near the monster and spun into the wall and rolled off it like 2 times with a guy on 3rd and one out lol. There was absolutely no way he was gonna get the guy tagging up but it was still hilarious if you saw it. It almost looked like he thought the inning was over

ClockShot

07-31-2008, 07:17 AM

Angels do the job. Now it's time we do ours.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 07:52 AM

LOL the Mets' board has been infested with Philly fans who think they've just won the division. Yeah cause a half game lead with 2 full months ago sure does seal the deal. :y:

If Manny HAS to go to an NL East team, I'm hoping it is the Marlins as the rumors suggest. I'm just not sure the Marlins have the pitching to hold up and all their hitters do is swing for the fences, the only non-HRs they get are bloop singles.

Gonna be a crazy day...come on Omar, either call up Eddie Kunz or get us a bullpen arm today.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 08:21 AM

And there's the first deal of the day...Ken Griffey Jr. to the White Sox. It's not known what the Reds get in return but Griffey will decide whether or not to accept the trade today.

Hanso Amore

07-31-2008, 08:36 AM

Honestly, I love Manny, I just dont want him on my team :) That shit would infuriate me if he was a Yankee. But since he is not, I can appreciate how awesomely funny this guy is.

Hanso Amore

07-31-2008, 08:38 AM

I would like to see Griffey contend, and now the Reds have some money to spend this offseason.

I want to see the Reds do well, they have some amazing young guys that I really like.

SammyG

07-31-2008, 08:44 AM

Curious to see if the Dodgers do anything, apparently our GM has been trying to make something big happen.

Loose Cannon

07-31-2008, 09:14 AM

I wanted Griffey to be a Yankee :(

FakeLaser

07-31-2008, 09:43 AM

Please trade Manny

Also, hell yeah Pudge Rodriguez. Cashman has looked like a fucking genius lately. We needed a catcher so bad. Not only do we drop Farnsworthless at a time where his value is at an all-time high (which I've been calling for), we pick up Pudge as a rental with the chance to resign him if Posada is fucked. Even if we don't resign him, he's a type A free agent and Farnsworth is a type B so we picked up 2 draft picks.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 10:18 AM

What drives me crazy is that every Yanks or Sox fan I know is acting like the division is between them...they are just assuming the Rays are gonna drop out.

Granted, they probably will...but it still pisses me off that so many people refuse to give them a chance.

Dragon

07-31-2008, 10:32 AM

The Rays need a bat.

They would be very scary if they got someone like Dunn.

Dragon

07-31-2008, 10:38 AM

Apparently Lohse might be available from the Cards and Putz might be available from Seattle.

I would hate to even think what Putz would cost from the Mariners. I've read that for Washburn the M's want two top prospects from whichever team wanted him. From the Mets they wanted Martinez and Niese.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 11:09 AM

Yeah the Mariners are out of their mind. Funny thing is, they seem to be trying to rape some teams while letting other teams have players for cheap.

As such,

Marlins get: LHP Arthur Rhodes
Mariners get: RHP Gaby Hernandez

Innovator

07-31-2008, 02:06 PM

Deal for Manny could be dead

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 02:39 PM

Manny is gonna stay in Boston after all this? Wow, I mean I know hes rumored for trades before and has asked for it but he has never been this addement (I don't think that's how you spell it? lol) about it.

Gertner

07-31-2008, 02:47 PM

Bay rumoured to go to the Jays......why. The last thing they need is to deal Snider, Cecil, Arcenibia or Cooper .

Dragon

07-31-2008, 03:11 PM

Apparently Florida is asking Boston to pay all of Manny's contract this year plus 2 million more than he's owed (for some reason), plus whatever prospects Boston would have to give up. Kinda crazy.

I think its gonna be really interesting for the rest of the season if Manny stays in Boston.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 03:13 PM

Yeah the Manny deal is likely dead because I'm now hearing the Rays may have just gotten Bay for SS Reid Brignac and RHP Jeff Niemann

SammyG

07-31-2008, 03:18 PM

What, a buddy of mine just called me and told me the Dodgers are in negotiations for Manny? As long as we don't have to give up Loney Billingsley Ethier or Kemp...

Dragon

07-31-2008, 03:22 PM

Yesterday I was reading that the Dodgers were willing to give up Kemp. Just read a little while ago that they'd want to deal Ethier instead of Kemp though. Can't imagine them giving up Kemp for a rental.

OssMan

07-31-2008, 03:24 PM

Apparently the Reds and White Sox have agreed on a trade involving Griffey

Dragon

07-31-2008, 03:27 PM

Rays got quite a bit more scary with Bay now in their lineup if thats true.

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 03:42 PM

TB just got a lot scarier with Bay...

the Marlins were nuts with what they wanted, an extra 2mil plus prospects?

They're contending right now and would get one of the best hitters in the league for the rest of the season for free... WTF...

The good thing is, Manny has to play well, if he fucks off it will hurt his chances at that long-term deal he wants.

Dragon

07-31-2008, 03:52 PM

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 04:14 PM

Wow, sounds like the Rays may have balked at getting Bay...refusing to include Brignac at the last second despite the fact that the Rays' #1 pick this year was a SS who could replace him in the system :|

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 04:19 PM

If Boston doesn't deal him today why wouldn't they just pick up his option for next year and trade him in the offseason? Kinda like the Sheffield thing the Yankees did. It would obviously piss Manny off but he's already pissed off at the Sox so it wouldn't matter much. They always run the risk of not being able to deal him I guess.

They get 2 draft picks for him, this team has done very well drafting, partially because a lot of team pass on top guys because they can't afford to sign them or can't deal with their agent.

Wow, sounds like the Rays may have balked at getting Bay...refusing to include Brignac at the last second despite the fact that the Rays' #1 pick this year was a SS who could replace him in the system :|

yeah, word is the Bay deal is dead...

Dragon

07-31-2008, 04:22 PM

LOL. Now they're saying a deal with Manny is done.

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 04:23 PM

HOLD THE PHONE!

report that Manny has been delt... details to follow!

word is the dodgers are involved.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 04:29 PM

I'm hearing Bay went to the Dodgers.....then the Dodgers flipped Bay to the Sox for Manny.

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 04:32 PM

yeah, the word is Bay to Boston and Manny to LA, not sure the other detail.

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 04:34 PM

rumor pittsburg got 4 minor leaguers...

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 04:39 PM

The Mets have no games left against the Dodgers, the Phillies have eight :love:

Triple A

07-31-2008, 04:43 PM

Ramirez traded to Dodgers in three-way deal

ESPN.com news services




Manny Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132)'s stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bos) appears to be over.
A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad), ESPN.com has learned.
Jason Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7143) is going to Boston as part of the deal. And the Pittsburgh Pirates (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=pit) get four minor leaguers as part of the three-way deal.

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 04:44 PM

manny to la
bay to bos

Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Craig Hanson and Brandon Moss to LA.

Dragon

07-31-2008, 04:48 PM

Wow, Boston gave Manny, Moss, Hansen and all of Manny's contract (7 M) for just Bay? That seems like quite a lot.

Seems like a great deal for LA.

Loose Cannon

07-31-2008, 04:49 PM

nice to have him gone as we go down the stretch. He was a huge Yankee killer

Dragon

07-31-2008, 04:51 PM

nice to have him gone as we go down the stretch. He was a huge Yankee killer

Yeah, definitely. Bay/Ortiz isn't nearly as intimidating as Manny/Ortiz.

Kind of crazy for the Sox to send Manny plus his whole contract and Hansen/Moss for a downgrade offensively in Bay.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 04:53 PM

So the Dodgers got to keep Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Billingsley and get 2 months of Manny for just Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris (a single A pitcher) Christ.

Dragon

07-31-2008, 04:54 PM

So the Dodgers outfield now consists of Manny-Kemp-Ethier-Jones-Pierre

Thats a lot of money sitting on the bench if its Pierre and Jones sitting. It is kind of funny that Torre gets Manny now though.

Juan

07-31-2008, 05:12 PM

Just heard it on ESPN. Crazy.

AL West is all Dodgers now.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 05:19 PM

I don't understand why they gave up Moss too? Hansen I don't really mind because he has never really lived up to his expectations but I don't understand giving up Moss?

Manny had to go though I think, this was a lot different from the past years. I wish they could have gotten more though or maybe just not given up as much...

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 05:20 PM

The Dodgers also get 2 first round picks...

Clearly the team really, really, wanted Manny gone.

Corndad

07-31-2008, 05:24 PM

What can you Soxs and Dodgers fans tell me about all these guys headin to Pittsburgh in the deal?

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 05:26 PM

Moss will probably be a Major League OF, has a good swing and has always looked decent.

Hanson has never really lived up to the hype, but he's young and has a good arm, so the right coach might turn him around.

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 06:12 PM

LOL my Yanks fan friend just texted me...he's already calling Manny to make the last out of the WS at Yankee Stadium

ClockShot

07-31-2008, 06:28 PM

Wow. Has Sammy piped in yet about this. Another quake must have hit L.A. after this.

Out of all this, a couple news bits.

Yankees reliever Edwar Ramirez is suspended 3 games and fined and undisclosed amout for throwing at Kevin Millar. *cough bullshit cough*

Yankees trade shortstop Alberto Gonzalez to the Nationals for pitcher Jhonny Nunez.

Enjoy the west coast Manny. And remember, "Do it for Joe."

Adder

07-31-2008, 06:54 PM

AS far as I'm concerned, this is a coup for the Red Sox.

ClockShot

07-31-2008, 07:59 PM

Nady is rocking #22.

Did we do, what I think we did? What something we should have done a long time ago?

Evil Vito

07-31-2008, 08:40 PM

LOL Yanks fans booed Pudge after striking out in his first at-bat with the team.

That trumps the Mets fans supposedly giving Beltran a clean slate in 2006 after his bad 2005.....only to boo him after an 0-for-4 Opening Day :o

VonErichLives

07-31-2008, 08:40 PM

there's a rumor on a local news station that the team voted and everyone except 1 person wanted to get rid of Manny.

SammyG

07-31-2008, 09:27 PM

HOLY FUCK MANNY RAMIREZ FOR NOTHING!

YOOOOOOOOOOOO, My teams just dominate trades, absolute rape. First the Lakers with Pau, and now the Dodgers with Manny.

SammyG

07-31-2008, 09:48 PM

lol wow, still can't get over how sweet this deal is for us. BUUUUUUUT, it creates an outfield problem. If I'm Torre, I say fuck Pierre and Fatdruw, start Manny at left, Kemp at center, Ethier at right.

THAT is a SEXY outfield.

Nervous Ferret

07-31-2008, 10:09 PM

Edwar Scissorhands :'(

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 10:34 PM

Nady is rocking #22.

Did we do, what I think we did? What something we should have done a long time ago?
I don't follow

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 10:41 PM

Loose Cannon

07-31-2008, 10:44 PM

#22 was Clemens.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 10:54 PM

Oh? They could still bring him back and switch numbers if they really wanted (Cano was #22 before) Obviously this won't happen but I am failing to see any significance.

I am still waiting for them to give out #21 in Boston

SammyG

07-31-2008, 11:39 PM

I wonder what Manny is gonna rock in LA. I think our 24 is retired...

24 is officially my new fave. number. Kobe... MANNY

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 11:44 PM

#24 is retired for Walter Alston, the manager who lead them to their first World Series

Maybe #34?

SammyG

07-31-2008, 11:46 PM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

07-31-2008, 11:52 PM

I see it

Skippord

07-31-2008, 11:57 PM

God it's hard to ever have faith in the Rockies

SammyG

08-01-2008, 12:15 AM

FUCKING ARIZONA

SammyG

08-01-2008, 12:15 AM

Manny is rockin' 28, apparently.

Evil Vito

08-01-2008, 12:19 AM

Loads of Mets fans are bitching at Omar for not making any moves. Tbh, while I would have liked to see a bullpen arm and a right-handed hitting outfielder (nothing flashy, just a couple extra pieces), I'm really not bothered. I don't know what people wanted Omar to do...it seemed pretty obvious to me that by trading 4 of the top 6 prospects in the Mets' system for Johan, we were gonna be sticking to our guns at the deadline.

Omar's usually pretty good at working the waiver wire and getting players that way, so I trust him. He refused to trade OF Fernando Martinez, LHP Jon Niese, RHP Bobby Parnell, RHP Eddie Kunz, or 2B Dan Murphy...and I'm glad. Kunz could very well be called up straight from AA to the MLB bullpen soon because he has nasty stuff...and I wouldn't be surprised if all 5 guys wound up on the big league roster in September (though I doubt they'd play much if the Mets are still in the thick of it).

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-01-2008, 12:28 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2677658435_4dcb34204f_o.jpg

OssMan

08-01-2008, 12:33 AM

Yeah, Minaya also refused to trade Lastings Milledge at one point, when Barry Zito was still worth something.

VonErichLives

08-01-2008, 12:38 AM

Also I heard Schilling caused some controversy earlier in the morning and upset David Ortiz with his comments about Ramirez or something, I haven't heard them myself so I dunno how true it is or whatever but I wouldn't doubt it. I am glad Schilling helped bring 2 World Series championships to Boston but that guy cannot keep his mouth shut. Dude should probably focus more of his time on his wife's SHADE foundation, seeing how one of their programs is offering free showings at movies theaters during the afternoon to children to keep them out of the sun. Wow great idea

He's on weei every week, the red sox set it up, he gets to plug charaties and I believe a donation.

I have no problem with him speaking his mind.

I haven't heard about Ortiz being pissed off, but wouldn't shock me, him and manny were close and having Jason Bay behined you isn't the same as having Manny.

Although the rumor is Ortiz goes to cleanup and Bay hits 3rd.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-01-2008, 04:31 AM

ClockShot

08-01-2008, 05:22 AM

#22 was Clemens.

No. Hawkins had #22. Did we send him out on assignment or something?

Edit - Nope. TRADED! Went to Houston in exchange for minor league 2B Matt Cusick

Loose Cannon

08-01-2008, 09:37 AM

oh, I guess I missed someting then. I thought it was of somebody important

Loose Cannon

08-01-2008, 09:40 AM

did anybody catch the Manny highlights from the year they showed on ESPN last night? They showed the one where he slid for the catch and he just rolled around everywhere. lol

Evil Vito

08-01-2008, 10:30 AM

Yeah, Minaya also refused to trade Lastings Milledge at one point, when Barry Zito was still worth something.

LOL yeah...of course Billy Beane never would have done Milledge for Zito straight up. I think Beane is just bitter from when the Mets traded him when he was a prospect, so he dangles a new player in front of the Mets every year only to not make the deal (Damon, Zito, Haren, Blanton, Street, etc.)

I remember being so pissed when the Mets didn't land Zito...so glad. I seriously bet he still has the talent but he got such a huge deal he figures "eh fuck it, I'm set"

Innovator

08-01-2008, 10:33 AM

Pennington looks like the starting QB for the Jets...heres to another year of Jets fans calling the fan looking for the guy's head

VonErichLives

08-01-2008, 01:04 PM

Plenty of guys go on radio shows and do say shit which gets people upset, Schilling is one of the most hated players in baseball for a reason. Dude is a huge douchebag with a strong opinion on everything who needs to let EVERYONE know about his strong opinions, perfect fit for WEEI though I guess.

I heard Manny is going to wear #99 in LA, lol I hope that's true

we'll agree to disagree, I don't think he's a douchebag, and I don't he's ever called a station or a paper to give his opinion, but when asked about it he answers.

dunno if you've heard him when he's in with D&C in the morning, but they ask him to comment on this stuff, he doesn't say "here's what I want to talk about"

a lot of players don't like him for his stance on the whole Roids thing... but that was fine with me.

but no question his opinions at time do piss people off.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-01-2008, 02:12 PM

Did anyone ask him about the kind of leader Kobe is? (Just one example) Dude is a douchebag plain and simple off the field, on the field he was great though.

Dennis and Callahan are also douchebags though, so I guess its just a great fit all together

screech

08-01-2008, 03:25 PM

This Manny deal sucked for Boston. Giving up Brandon Moss Craig Hansen and Manny for Jason fucking Bay. Nothing against Bay, he's good and all, be he's certainly no Manny. Manny only had two months before he could have been released, Theo should have waited until then rather than making a crappy deal just to make a deal. I understand all the shit he's done, but that doesn't take away from his ability on the field and the fact that he lead us to two titles.

He will be a beast in LA though, no doubt about that. It sucks since they have five outfielders already (correct me if I'm wrong Dodger fans). It'll be fun to see how Joe handles him and if he gets a starting spot right away (I would think so since LA needs the bat).

The Pirates made out pretty well in this deal, landing Andy LaRoche and minor-leaguer Bryan Morris in addition to the aforementioned players from the Sox. The Bucs now have a decent third baseman, a pitcher with a good arm who needs direction, an outfielder who will be good, and a prospect (don't know how good he is).

I get that Theo wanted to get rid of him, but it was a lot to give up just to get Jason Bay and just for the sake of dealing him.

SammyG

08-01-2008, 06:03 PM

Yeah we have 5 outfielders now.

Pierre
Ethier
Kemp
Manny
Fatdruw

Gonna start Eth, Kemp, and Manny, I'm sure. Pierre will get some playing time for Ethier, I believe, and Jones will rarely play, and it will be awesome.

MVP

08-01-2008, 06:57 PM

That's why I'm kind of surprised LA got in on that deal. One good thing for them is that Andruw Jones will probably be relegated to late-game defensive replacement.

SammyG

08-01-2008, 09:13 PM

lol Manny is rocking 99 are you serious

Evil Vito

08-01-2008, 10:17 PM

Ugh what the fuck. Jerry Manuel insists on carrying 3 catchers (including awesome hitting Ramon Castro) yet when Cecil Cooper brings in a lefty specialist to face Endy Chavez he doesn't pinch hit Castro? The fuck...

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-01-2008, 11:29 PM

lol Manny is rocking 99 are you serious

He really did it? I heard that last night on a different message board last night but then when i checked the roster online it said 28, haha that's great. Manny is still the man in my book

Also Jason Bay hit a triple in 12th and ended being the scoring run for Lowery's walk-off single against the A's, nice start to his Red Sox career. Would have been better if it was a walk off home run (almost was)

Evil Vito

08-01-2008, 11:52 PM

Yeah I saw the Sox fans gave Bay a standing O for his first AB...nice. I was worried that the fans who didn't want Manny gone would be stupid and boo him or something.

DaveWadding

08-02-2008, 01:30 AM

MAN RAMMER

DODGEEEEEEE SHOWWWWWWWWWWW

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jesus Shuttlesworth

08-02-2008, 02:08 AM

http://images2.sportsline.com/u/uspresswire/photos/20080801_kkt_sv5_175_lower.jpg
Just doesn't look right...

VonErichLives

08-02-2008, 06:44 AM

Yeah I saw the Sox fans gave Bay a standing O for his first AB...nice. I was worried that the fans who didn't want Manny gone would be stupid and boo him or something.

nah, Boston ain't like the...

we gave Joe Torre a standing O his first game back and things such as that...

ClockShot

08-02-2008, 08:26 AM

Wow. Nice game last night with the Angels and Yanks.

Pity Rivera gave up that run in the 9th. I'm started to get tad bit concerned right now.

ClockShot

08-02-2008, 09:26 AM

Francisco Liriano has been called back up to the Twins roster.

However, Livan Hernandez and Craig Monroe have been released.

SammyG

08-02-2008, 03:25 PM

Damn, 3 games down..

OssMan

08-02-2008, 05:36 PM

I dunno if I posted about this, but at the Nats park you can take a shuttle bus from RFK to get to and from the game, and they were running these double decker buses which were definately were not cleared to drive in Southeast DC because people were getting hit in the face by trees and coming dangerously close to the top of overpasses. I rode one without knowing any of this but I was fine. However, two people got killed on one because they stood up and hit an overpass or something. I can't believe I rode on one.

Two killed on bus (http://www.abc2news.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=c0d487fd-412e-4508-b44b-f7ccf2cd0380)

Hanso Amore

08-02-2008, 08:52 PM

Fucking idiots! The Nats are going to be paying out mad cash for this one.

Evil Vito

08-02-2008, 10:37 PM

Wow...the Mets have one of the worst bullpens I've ever seen. Any lead less than 5 runs makes me completely uncomfortable...and to think we are still stuck with Billy "I Can't Save a Big Game" Wagner for another year.

SammyG

08-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Manny hits a 2 run shot in the first :love:

Hanso Amore

08-03-2008, 10:12 AM

The Dodgers have more talent than any NL team, if they cant make a good run with this team, they should be shot in the faces.

Evil Vito

08-03-2008, 10:12 AM

Seriously can't believe Johan's still stuck at 9-7. Exhibit A as to why the Wins stat is useless for pitchers. :foc:

Innovator

08-03-2008, 10:47 AM

Or why the Mets bullpen is worthless

Evil Vito

08-03-2008, 10:53 AM

Exactly. Nearly every start he makes...either the bullpen blows it or the offense doesn't show. It's like they are afraid to get their ace some wins. :(

Anyway...wondering if I could get everyone's opinion: Mike Piazza, clearly a first ballot HOF'er - does he go in as a Dodger or a Met? I got into a huge debate with my friend about it. While I naturally want him to go in as a Met, I really think it only makes sense. He hit more HR as a Met, had more RBI as a Met, and was one of the top 3 players in that team's history and will probably get his number retired.

I dunno, I'd be devastated if they put him in a Dodger cap...and it would mean Seaver will remain the only Met in the HOF for like another 20 years or so (and that's making the huge assumption that David Wright puts up big numbers the rest of his career with the Mets) :o