Red Dead Redemption

[El Fangel]

Lassoing someone and dragging them around from my steed is one of my fondest gaming memories.

This, especially doing bounties.

[Skippord]

I liked it well enough, thought L.A. Noire was better though

mostly because L.A. Noire doesn't have some cock coming up to you and saying "Mr. Marston" 4 million fucking times

[El Fangel]

Was thinking about getting LA Noire and if Skippord endorses it then I am getting it.

[Requiem]

Lol. This game had many fine qualities, but smooth combat/gameplay are absurd.

How so? As in, "what did you dislike about it" instead of just pointing out how absurdly wrong I am.

It was fun, -responsive-, and even multiplayer was easy once I got the hang of it. I recall having many games where I had ridiculous (20:1, 14:1, etc) k/d ratios by the end of games. That hardly supports the idea that the combat and gameplay wasn't smooth. Guess it depends on how literally, or how differently you define smooth. What do you think wasn't smooth about it?

It was easy to take cover, movements/commands were very fast and responsive. It was easy to shoot from horseback. The target lock worked great, as well as switching targets while locked. It wasn't meant to replace aiming. It just assisted it; you could autotarget, but you still had to aim to get the headshot on someone. The shooting mechanic was solid without resorting to actually BEING a twitch-based precision shooter. Guns actually felt different from one another. The feel of the gameplay reminds me a lot of Uncharted now that I think about it. Not the epic building falling down while you're in it type of gameplay, but the actual movement and shooting. Taking cover was good, transitioning from movement to movement was smooth. Climbing over obstacles was easy. I don't recall ever getting stuck on terrain or scenery. Hell, just the fact that you could get on a horse from different angles, or get off it while it was running and then skid to a stop. The stagecoach chases were a blast. I felt that they put a good deal of effort into the movement and combat mechanics. They did a lot of things that they didn't have to in order to polish it that a lot of people took for granted I think. I'm sure they could have done more, but I've yet to come across a game where I didn't think that about something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbLWiF1Bf0

After watching (let alone playing) that I don't know how you can say the combat wasn't smooth.

The only thing I recall being unrefined was that sometimes my horse wouldn't do exactly what I wanted it to, or wouldn't respond as I expected it to. And I'm sure there was the occasional glitch (like motherfucking beavers disappearing when I shot them while trying to get goddamn beaver pelts), but nothing that broke the experience or made it consistently more difficult to play. Hell, I played on a freakin SDTV and I could still get a crazy kill streak or snipe someone with an unscoped rifle.

(Note: I refer to multiplayer a lot because nothing makes a game more difficult than facing an actual person. Rarely died in single player)

Compared to a LARGE portion of video games, RDR's combat mechanics were exceptionally polished.

[LoDownM]

Lassoing someone and dragging them around from my steed is one of my fondest gaming memories.

Hogtying someone and putting then on train tracks equals a ":D" face every time.

[Kane Knight]

I liked it well enough, thought L.A. Noire was better though

mostly because L.A. Noire doesn't have some cock coming up to you and saying "Mr. Marston" 4 million fucking times

Yes, but more important: Does the protagonist keep threatening to kill people who dick him around, only to get dicked around again?

[Iop]

This game kicked ass but I wish they made it more violent though

[Captain of Fun]

ugh

[Disturbed316]

Hogtying someone and putting then on train tracks equals a ":D" face every time.

One of my all time favourite achievements that was. Easily one of my favourite games ever, just such an incredible ending too.

[Kane Knight]

One of my all time favourite achievements that was. Easily one of my favourite games ever, just such an incredible ending too.

Snidely Whiplash, motherfuckers!

I agree on the ending, BTW. It's a shame it gets panned by so many.

[El Fangel]

Wanna say I was a little shocked and sad at the ending as it was really something I had not seen coming at all.

[Iop]

I havent finished the game yet (I know) so i think im gonna have to stay out of this thread so the ending doesnt get spoiled :(

[Kane Knight]

Wanna say I was a little shocked and sad at the ending as it was really something I had not seen coming at all.

I can see why. That whole theme of the end of the old West and the inability to escape who you are was certainly well-hidden throughout the entire game.

[El Fangel]

I havent finished the game yet (I know) so i think im gonna have to stay out of this thread so the ending doesnt get spoiled :(

Good idea. Since it is rather good.

[El Fangel]

I can see why. That whole theme of the end of the old West and the inability to escape who you are was certainly well-hidden throughout the entire game.

Don't click this. End spoilers.

Marston getting shot to death is what I meant. I expected a live happily ever after bit after he got his family back and finally settled down.

[Kane Knight]

Don't click this. End spoilers.

Marston getting shot to death is what I meant. I expected a live happily ever after bit after he got his family back and finally settled down.

Yes, dumbass, that's what I was referencing. That was hard to see coming because the themes that led up to it were so hard to see. :|

[El Fangel]

Have you ever enjoyed any game you have ever played, Jim? I find that every game on here that becomes a discussion sees you running with your bag of nitpicks.

[Kane Knight]

Have you ever enjoyed any game you have ever played, Jim? I find that every game on here that becomes a discussion sees you running with your bag of nitpicks.

I forget how fucking stupid you are sometimes. Being Canadian and occasionally seeming almost human.

just such an incredible ending too.


I agree on the ending, BTW.

Parsed the extra stuff so as not to confuse you.

So I praised the game prior, and I'm now praising the ending. Somehow, calling you an idiot for not understanding the themes of the game indicates my displeasure not with your inability to grasp those running themes (the themes are part of what makes the ending so damn powerful) but rather the ending or game itself.

Somehow, criticizing you means criticizing Red Dead Redemption.

Christ sake, you're stupid.

I'm sorry, why did you appreciate it, exactly? The same sociopathy that had you worshipping the Joker? "lol people die in it?" Did you just see other people applaud it and fall in line, though you didn't understand the ramifications?

I'm beginning to think the latter, though I wouldn't preclude the "why so serious?" route.

[Kane Knight]

Shit, I used a word like "parse" in a post to Fangerl trying not to confuse him. That was dumb.

[El Fangel]

I forget how fucking stupid you are sometimes. Being Canadian and occasionally seeming almost human.

Parsed the extra stuff so as not to confuse you.

So I praised the game prior, and I'm now praising the ending. Somehow, calling you an idiot for not understanding the themes of the game indicates my displeasure not with your inability to grasp those running themes (the themes are part of what makes the ending so damn powerful) but rather the ending or game itself.

Somehow, criticizing you means criticizing Red Dead Redemption.

Christ sake, you're stupid.

I'm sorry, why did you appreciate it, exactly? The same sociopathy that had you worshipping the Joker? "lol people die in it?" Did you just see other people applaud it and fall in line, though you didn't understand the ramifications?

I'm beginning to think the latter, though I wouldn't preclude the "why so serious?"
route.

Ill just ignore the personal attack, Jim.

When you began the game, you cannot tell me for a second that you expected the ending from the start. As time went on in the game, I guess I expected something of the sort though I still wasn't entirely sure as I believed

That he was honestly going to get to settle down and it be a feel good ending and for a short time it seemed like that was going to happen. It felt like the game was coming to a close at that point and despite the obvious I was shocked that they went through with killing one of those characters that were
nicely developed, though as I said the ending fit really well and was one of the best I have ever experienced.

I understood the themes and knew something grim was likely going to happen
and in all honesty, I saw his wife being killed and him going out for revenge (in a sequel)

His son ending the game was incredible and again, one of those endings that you just don't forget. Sure with the growing theme I SHOULD have expected it but for a moment it really seemed like it was going to be a happy ending.

As for the Joker, I saw The Dark Knight on opening day so I could hardly fall in line. I thought the performance was exceptional and Ledger really captured the demented pyschopath who beat Robin to death with a crowbar.

That's not to say Nicholson (sp?) Was bad, he fit the theme perfectly with his Joker. Ledger captured the dark grim world Nolan created to a T. Now of course I expect you to tear that apart with your analytical expertise finding some flaw with it to use against my opinion so you come off as intelligent because you couldn't just enjoy a good movie and agree with someone but rather had to find and remind people what you thought was wrong with it.

That is what you do, Jim.

[Skippord]

I'm furious again thinking about Jack Marston's voice

motherfucker

[Kane Knight]

Ill just ignore the personal attack, Jim.

And about half of my point as well. Though that may have been for convenience, or because you were too fucking stupid to get it. Really not certain at this point. But let's go on:

When you began the game, you cannot tell me for a second that you expected the ending from the start.

Did I ever claim I knew it was coming from then? They haven't even laid out most of the primary themes of the game at the very beginning, let alone reenforced them. Did you just completely ignore that portion of what I said? Kinda sounds like you did. Though it beats making up my hatred of the game from whole cloth.

As time went on in the game, I guess I expected something of the sort though I still wasn't entirely sure as I believed

So you were shocked and didn't see it coming at all, but you expected something of the sort.Huh. Howabout that. You had mutually exclusive feelings on a single subject. It almost sounds like you're retconning now that you've been caught.

I understood the themes and knew something grim was likely going to happen

I bet you'd have to look them up on Wikipedia or a similar site to even tell them to me if I hadn't already alluded to a couple.

As for the Joker, I saw The Dark Knight on opening day so I could hardly fall in line.

And you were a fanboy before day one, so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

Also, Nicholson WAS horrible. He didn't play the Joker at all. He was Jack Nicholson in face paint. That's one of the things that makes just about everyone else who played the part better. I know it's common to love guys who don't play a character at all, but that's really shit. With the possible exception of Tommy Lee Jones.

But that's not really to the point.

[Kane Knight]

Incidentally, I love the fact that the big turn was really hinted at even before the game dropped, though I doubt anyone took the meaning at that point. That's right, Fangerl, even I didn't know at that point.

The oft used tagline:

Outlaws to the End

Really turned out to be truth in advertising.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.

[El Fangel]

And about half of my point as well. Though that may have been for convenience, or because you were too fucking stupid to get it. Really not certain at this point. But let's go on:

Did I ever claim I knew it was coming from then? They haven't even laid out most of the primary themes of the game at the very beginning, let alone reenforced them. Did you just completely ignore that portion of what I said? Kinda sounds like you did. Though it beats making up my hatred of the game from whole cloth.

What I alluded to as you began to find out more about Marston was that he wanted a normal life with his son and wife. You can usually draw a conclusion that this would have something to do with the end of the game in him getting that.

So you were shocked and didn't see it coming at all, but you expected something of the sort.Huh. Howabout that. You had mutually exclusive feelings on a single subject. It almost sounds like you're retconning now that you've been caught.

Nope, not retconning. A poor selection of words in the former statement would make it seem so. The games message is painfully obvious that even a neanderthal such as myself understood it fine.

That the mistakes of your past will always make trouble for your future. Its a good message and one that was cleverly spun into the ending. However as much foreshadowing it had when

John gets to settle down for that brief period of time and be a family man after redeeming himself by hunting down his old gang (furthering the message that they couldn't escape their past either)

The brilliance of the ending in my opinion is that to end the game, you have to have his son kill the man responsible for his fathers death. Even he couldn't escape his fathers mistake. Though the ending was a farcry from the standard boss fight it fit the story beautifully and I will reiterate that it was an exceptional story.

I bet you'd have to look them up on Wikipedia or a similar site to even tell them to me if I hadn't already alluded to a couple.

ill admit I just did to check for anything that I missed that wasn't as apparent as the main theme and the underlying one that settling the west had come at the cost of the Native Americans being slaughtered.

Another theme that's readily apparent as it is in nearly all westerns that the towns and communities were run by the biggest and best gun if the law wasn't present and lends to the fact that without laws in place we would be a bunch of animals.


And you were a fanboy before day one, so that doesn't mean a damn thing.

This is both right and wrong, I liked the Joker long before this movie but only read his backstory and Batmans backstory AFTER seeing Batman Begins as I wasnt aware he trained with ninjas in the mountains. I've always enjoyed the Joker character as he seems to be the ideal fit for Batmans code of morals.

Also, Nicholson WAS horrible. He didn't play the Joker at all. He was Jack Nicholson in face paint. That's one of the things that makes just about everyone else who played the part better. I know it's common to love guys who don't play a character at all, but that's really shit. With the possible exception of Tommy Lee Jones.

I think the Burton Batman films still had too much of the
campiness that the 60's show had and that Nicholson's Joker reflected that. The movies still receive fanfare due to them being done first and people being fans o
f the franchise but I believe Nolan captured the true essence of Gotham far better then Burton did.

Though from what I can tell from watching Req play Arkham City for 10 mins, Nolan was outdone on that front.

But that's not really to the point.

[El Fangel]

Incidentally, I love the fact that the big turn was really hinted at even before the game dropped, though I doubt anyone took the meaning at that point. That's right, Fangerl, even I didn't know at that point.

The oft used tagline:

Outlaws to the End

Really turned out to be truth in advertising.

:|

Never even thought about that.

La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.

Thanks bud.

[Disturbed316]

The LA Noire ending pissed me off at first, but then thinking about it afterwards it was pretty decent, didn't quite have the same effect on me as this ending though.

[G]

Love going up in the woods with some people and running around for your life being chased by bears.

[El Fangel]

Killing a mountain lion with a knife might be the most frustrating thing this game wants you to do.

[Blitz]

I'm furious again thinking about Jack Marston's voice

motherfucker
Work ya damn nag!

[Kane Knight]

La Noire ending the same way kinda ruined both endings for me.

Like, as in it's more or less a retreat of the same ending?

That blows.

[Kane Knight]

Retread.

[Disturbed316]

Kinda, but without the extra part.

[Kane Knight]

Oi.

[Iop]

Damn it now u spoiled LA Noire's ending for me. Not cool, not cool at all. I just beat RDR yesterday and DAMN that ending was sad. I kept wanting to see a threesome with Marston, his wife, and Bonnie, that wouldve been great.

[Kane Knight]

If there's sex to be had, Iop is all for it. Unless it involves a real woman. those bitches be scary, yo.

[Iop]

If there's sex to be had, Iop is all for it. Unless it involves a real woman. those bitches be scary, yo.

No they just dont want me cuz im not attractive enough :(

[Kane Knight]

No they just dont want me cuz im not attractive enough :(

Learn from John Marston. Kill some guys, lasso a chick, and if she doesn't go for you, Snidely Whiplash her!

[Kane Knight]

Also, raise a rape baby as your own.

[El Fangel]

Oh and get her a coyote pelt. Bitches love coyote pelts.

[Iop]

Wait do u guys think I could get a date if I approach random people on the street and say that "Im looking for a man named Bill Williamson. We used to be in a gang together" ?

[Kane Knight]

I totally do. You should try it.

[whiteyford]

Listen to Kane Knight, hes a world class lady killer. Take that however you want.

[El Fangel]

Seriously, Iop. Go up to a woman and say "Move you damn nag"

[Kane Knight]

Listen to Kane Knight, hes a world class lady killer. Take that however you want.

I prefer to take it literally.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Damn it now u spoiled LA Noire's ending for me. Not cool, not cool at all. I just beat RDR yesterday and DAMN that ending was sad. I kept wanting to see a threesome with Marston, his wife, and Bonnie, that wouldve been great.

Sorry I spoiled LA Noire for you. I sort of assumed after 1+ year anybody who was going to play it already did.

[El Fangel]

Sorry I spoiled LA Noire for you. I sort of assumed after 1+ year anybody who was going to play it already did.

Some of us are trying to get caught up on the good games from 2007-2011. I included.

I see where you are coming from but the three seconds it would have taken to put spoiler tags, just in case would have been much appreciated by us both.

[Kane Knight]

Sorry I spoiled LA Noire for you. I sort of assumed after 1+ year anybody who was going to play it already did.

This is a website where people whine if you don't put up spoilers on a decades old movie.

Hell, I bet Fangerl would bitch if I spoiled the ending of Super Mario Bros.

I totally won't, though.

[The Jayman]

The Princess is in another castle

[Kane Knight]

DAMN YOU! THAT GAME IS ONLY 27 YEARS OLD!

[Iop]

I am sorry I just dont have time to beat through and play through every big new release as soon as its out.

[Kane Knight]

Apparently you do. You don't have a job, a social life, a love life, and you live at home.

[Iop]

Apparently you do. You don't have a job, a social life, a love life, and you live at home.

I do have a job, I'm at work all the time, Im just at the computer a lot during work so I can post :p

[Kane Knight]

Still, you seem to admittedly have nothing that occupies your time.

[Iop]

Still, you seem to admittedly have nothing that occupies your time.

No way im occupied by work

[Captain of Fun]

I remember in 2008 thinking that there was a crazy amount of good games released in one year. That has continued every year since, and as a result, I have yet to play many quality games of this console generation.

Same is probably true for a lot of people on here. I haven't even got around to playing heavy rain yet, nevermind L.A. Noire.

[Captain of Fun]

I mean fuck, didn't this very thread get bumped because someone had just now started playing the game for the first time?

[whiteyford]

Its all CSL's fault

[Kane Knight]

I remember in 2008 thinking that there was a crazy amount of good games released in one year. That has continued every year since, and as a result, I have yet to play many quality games of this console generation.

Same is probably true for a lot of people on here. I haven't even got around to playing heavy rain yet, nevermind L.A. Noire.

To be fair, you're a pretty excitable young fellow, there.

[Kane Knight]

Though to be fair, there are a lot of bipolars on this site, so you're still probably right.

I mean, the site was founded by a guy who throws "amazing" around like it was going out of style.

[Kane Knight]

omg just yawned rn. Amazing. <3

[Captain of Fun]

I found a really awesome brand of mustard at the store yesterday. I'M SO PUMPED

[Kane Knight]

+1

[Iop]

dont u guys diss Triple A, hes the man.

[Kane Knight]

He's a fifteen year old girl.

[Iop]

He's a fifteen year old girl.

If it wasnt for Triple A, none of u would be here. Ud be posting on some pop up infested site called "WrestlingInsiderz412"

[Kane Knight]

Nah. I'd just be posting more on the Escapist.

[Kane Knight]

In fact, I probably wouldn't be posting on a wrestling related site at all, because my interest in wresting is so limited. The community here is why I'm still around.

That's right, you all brought it on yourself.

[Purgatory]

That's the only reason I've been around for 10 years, going on 11.

[Kane Knight]

Who the hell are you?

[El Fangel]

I remember in 2008 thinking that there was a crazy amount of good games released in one year. That has continued every year since, and as a result, I have yet to play many quality games of this console generation.

Same is probably true for a lot of people on here. I haven't even got around to playing heavy rain yet, nevermind L.A. Noire.

Well you understand my dilemma at least.

That's the only reason I've been around for 10 years, going on 11.

Certain people are what keep me here as well.