NFL 2011 Season Thread

[Nark Order]

Anybody but the Ravens, for the win.

[FearedSanctity]

9. What can we tell from how these teams did against other playoffs teams: A lot. The Bengals went 0-7 against teams that made the playoffs. The Broncos beat Cincinnati 24-22 in Week 2, but they lost by an average of 27 points to the Packers and Patriots, the only other playoff teams they faced. The Texans went 3-2 against playoff teams, the Steelers 3-4 and the Ravens 6-0. The Patriots went 1-2 against playoff teams.

Now if only it didn't take just one loss to make all that irrelevant

[Nark Order]

Droford, what about teams that everybody else used as fucking doormats that the Ravens lost to? Your stats are kind of silly.

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

Yea defeniatley not the Cowboys night..ball is bouncing the Giants' way and the Cowboys defense have butterfingers

defeniatley

what

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>My order of preference for the playoffs:

1. Giants




2-11. Other teams




12. Patriots

Pats are really the only team that I hate in the whole thing. Outside of them I will just pull for upsets across the board as per usual.</font>

[Droford]

The Steelers and Broncos have played 6 times before in the playoffs splitting the 6 games, the upcoming game will put them 1 matchup behind the Rams and Cowboys.

If the Giants play the 49ers, they will have met a record tying 8 times as well.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, I'm still a little sour at the Pats for the whole cheating fiasco.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I just dislike the Pats in general. Belichick being easy to hate only adds to it. They have some likable players but for the most part fuck 'em. Also have some Pats fan friends and according to them, every Pats loss is the fault of the refs. Always excuses.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Rooting order for the playoffs:

1. Bengals
2. Lions
3. 49ers
4. Broncos
5. Texans
6. Packers
7. Saints
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Patriots
11. Steelers
12. Ravens

6-9 could really go any way really

[Droford]

Droford, what about teams that everybody else used as fucking doormats that the Ravens lost to? Your stats are kind of silly.
Titans finished 9-7
Chargers finished 8-8
Seahawks finished 7-9
Jaguars finished 5-11

Like I said, the Jaguars game was the only real embarassing loss looking back now...well the SD game was a horrible performance but on the Road vs a team that was like 20-1 in December over the last 5 years..

Packers lost to 7-9 KC
Saints lost to the Rams (who the Ravens beat in St Louis 37-7) and Tampa Bay (finished 4-12, the last game TB would win this year)
49ers lost to 8-8 Dallas and 8-8 Arizona
Patriots lost to the Bills (finished 6-10, won 3 games after the week 3 win)

I want to argue that the Saints had 2 way more embarassing losses (2-14 rams, 4-12 Bucs)..yet no one gives them any grief over them like they do the Ravens..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Is there a Texans fan on these forums? Think every other playoff team has at least 1 poster rooting for them.

[FearedSanctity]

If it counts the Texans have been my B team since they started playing in 2002. It's mostly due to being in Texas but I've watched pretty much every Texans game. Love the team, but they'll just never overtake the Broncos for me

[Nark Order]

My B team is the Browns. :(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Don't really have a B team. Always had a bit of a soft spot for the Lions though since they've been horrible for the longest time. Megatron is so much fun to watch, as is Suh when he's not stupidly stomping on people. If I had to pick an official #2 team to pull for in the playoffs it'd probably be them.</font>

[Splaya]

I'm hoping the Lions win but their road through the playoffs is insane.

[Kris P Lettus]

New Orleans Saints individual records -- not including quarterback Drew Brees Kevin Spain, The Times-Picayune 01/01/2012 4:39 PM

New Orleans Saints individual records (non-Drew Brees) and notes from the win against Carolina on Sunday.

· TE Jimmy Graham had eight receptions for 97 yards and a touchdown. He set a franchise record for receptions in a season with 99 and tied another mark with his 11th touchdown reception. The previous mark for catches was 98 by Marques Colston in 2007. Colston, in 2007, and Joe Horn, in 2004, are the other receivers in Saints history with 11 touchdown catches.

· For a brief moment, Graham held the NFL record for receiving yards in a season by a tight end (1,310), before New England's Rob Gronkowski caught a 23-yard pass in the final two minutes to up his season total to 1,327.

· Running back Darren Sproles had 168 combined net yards (40 rushing, 29 receiving, 45 punt returns, 54 kickoff returns) Sunday to improve his season total to 2,696, an NFL single-season record. The previous mark of 2,690 was set by the Tennessee Titans' Derrick Mason in 2000, and the second-highest total (and previous Saints franchise mark) of 2,647 was set by Michael Lewis in 2002.

· Colston caught Brees' first pass on Sunday to go past the 1,000-yard mark in receiving yards for the fifth time in his six seasons with the Saints. Colston, who had 10 catches for 145 yards against the Panthers, ends 2011 with 80 receptions for 1,143 yards.

· Graham, Sproles and Colston all finished with 80 or more receptions.

· Colston and Graham are only the second set of teammates in franchise history to each have 1,000 or more yards receiving. In 2001, Joe Horn finished with 1,265 receiving yards and Willie Jackson 1,046.

· Cornerback Patrick Robinson's second-quarter interception was his team-leading fourth of the season, two of which came off Carolina's Cam Newton. Robinson is the seventh different Saints defender to lead or co-lead the team in interceptions since 2007.

· Rookie linebacker Martez Wilson's third-quarter sack of Newton was the first of his career.

· Punder Thomas Morstead broke his own franchise history for punting average at 47.9. He averaged 45.9 yards per punt a year ago.

· Kicker John Kasay's 144 points scored and 63 points after touchdown extended his own franchise record.

[Team Sheep]

Didn't wanna be in the playoffs this year anyway. Whoever wins this year will forever have an asterisk anyway.

:shifty:

[Nervous Ferret]

1. lions
1A. Texans
3. bengals


Then Packers, Giants, 49ers, Tebows and maybe the Falcons I wouldn't mind rooting for if they're "playing sick".


Saints, Pats, Steelers, Ravens soooooo00o gay

[Gonzo]

Listen to all of you with your B team bullshit. There is no B choice.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Like I said, I'm not emotionally invested in any team other than the Giants...but I enjoy football more when I have some sort of rooting interest so if the Giants aren't playing I'm all about the underdogs unless a team I hate is involved.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

Divisional schedule were released..

NFC South plays the NFC East and the AFC West with the Saints playing the Pack on the road and the 9ers at home for their "flex" games..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah the Giants' schedule is gonna be brutal next year. Finishing 1st in the division means they have to play the Packers and Niners again along with the NFC South and AFC North.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Spagnuolo's firing is now official. I gotta figure the Eagles are going to try to lock him up as quickly as humanly possible before the Giants' season ends (although it wouldn't surprise me if Fewell's job is safe due to making the playoffs anyway).</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/843606/rob.gif

"WTF, guys?!?!"

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I love the criticism that Rob Ryan's defense is actually too complicated for the players to understand.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Raheem Morris out too. C'mon.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

At least we can avoid the Dungy and Gruden rumors for the Tampa job.

[Gonzo]

<font color=goldenrod>I love the criticism that Rob Ryan's defense is actually too complicated for the players to understand.</font>

One thing I can say from watching the Cowboys is that they have some piss poor tackling.

That's a good place to start improving things.

[#1-norm-fan]

One thing I can say from watching the Cowboys is that they have some piss poor tackling.

That's a good place to start improving things.

What? Tackling had been the best part of that defense all year.

The downfall was that they looked ridiculously unorganized on seemingly every play.

[Kris P Lettus]

Why is Terrance Newman still a starter in the NFL??

[ClockShot]

Figured Morris would have an extra year to turn it around. Last year was pretty good for them. Or was that his first year on the job?

Spags is better off running defenses. I wouldn't touch him to head coach my team. See Mike Martz, Charlie Weis, and Romeo Crennel.

[Kris P Lettus]

Morris was there last year..

[James Steele]

Well...that sucked. Can anyone loan me a few bucks?

[Droford]

Didn't wanna be in the playoffs this year anyway. Whoever wins this year will forever have an asterisk anyway.

:shifty:
Why an asterisk?

[Team Sheep]

Lockout. Fake season.

[Triple Naitch]

My rooting order.

1. Broncos
2. Giants
3. Texans
4. 49ers
5. Falcons
6. Ravens (love Ray Rice too much to ignore)
7. Bengals
8. Packers
9. Patriots
10. Saints
11. Lions
12. Steelers

[FearedSanctity]

The Polians are out in Indy

[Emperor Smeat]

Mine would be:

1) Patriots
2) Everyone else not in #3
3) Giants, Steelers, and Ravens

[ClockShot]

The Polians are out in Indy

This season only proved that the Colts were a 1 man team. Nothing more.

Didn't see this one coming.

[Droford]

Lockout. Fake season.

LOL whatever

Full 16 game season, full preseason..the only thing that was abridged was training camps and the offseason being screwy.

[Kris P Lettus]

AFC

1. New England Patriots (13-3) 2. Baltimore Ravens (12-4) 3. Houston Texans (10-6) 4. Denver Broncos (8-8) 5. Pittsburg Steelers (12-4) 6. Cincinnati Bengals (9-7)

NFC

1. Green Bay Packers (15-1) 2. San Francisco 49ers (13-3) 3. New Orleans Saints (13-3) 4. New York Giants (9-7) 5. Atlanta Falcons (10-6) 6. Detroit Lions (10-6)

Wild-Card Weekend (Week 1): AFC Houston Texans (3) vs. Cincinnati Bengals (6) Denver Broncos (4) vs. Pittsburg Steelers (5) NFC New Orleans Saints (3) vs. Detroit Lions (6) New York Giants (4) vs. Atlanta Falcons (5)

Divisional Playoffs (Week 2): AFC New England Patriots (1) vs. Lowest Seed Baltimore Ravens (2) vs. Highest Seed NFC Green Bay Packers (1) vs. Lowest Seed San Francisco 49ers (2) vs. Highest Seed

Conference Championships (Week 3) AFC Winners of the Divisional Playoffs NFC Winners of the Divisional Playoffs

Superbowl (February 5th, 2012) Winners of the Conference Championships

[Emperor Smeat]

This season only proved that the Colts were a 1 man team. Nothing more.

Didn't see this one coming.

I wonder if it is also related to the recent news of Bill Polian considering not drafting Luck at all and instead RG3 based on him thinking he's the better QB right now. Originally he was 100% for luck until RG3 won the Heisman and then started to really consider not taking Luck.

Would take longer to rebuild the o-line to fit Griffen's run ability potential instead of Luck's style that almost matches the current Manning style.

[FearedSanctity]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinnati @ New England
Denver @ Baltimore
Falcons @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Conference

Denver @ New England
New Orleans @ Green Bay


SUPER BOWL XXXII
Denver vs. Green Bay

[Kris P Lettus]

NFC

wildcard
Saints over Det
Giants over ATL

Divisional
Saints over SF
giants over GB

Championship
saints over Giants

AFC

Wildcard
Bengals over Texans
Steelers over Broncos

Divisional
Pats over Bengals
Steelers over Ravens

championship
Pats over steelers

Super Bowl
Saints over Pats

[FearedSanctity]

Nah for real though

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinnati @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
Falcons @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Conference

Pittsburgh @ New England
New Orleans @ Green Bay


Super Bowl

New England vs. Green Bay

[Droford]

http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/AP-1.jpg

totally looks ready to play football in 9 months

[FearedSanctity]

HE'S GOT BLUE BELL HOMEMADE VANILLA

FUCK FOOTBALL

[Kris P Lettus]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/695/265/107340873_display_image.jpg?1296846762

[RoXer]

ft.All season long, that speculation has centered on Stanford’s Andrew Luck. Over the weekend, reports emerged that the team may be considering Baylor’s Heisman Trophy-winnng QB, Robert Griffin III.

that aint happenin

[Droford]

Cincinnati at Houston
Pittsburgh at Denver
Detroit at New Orleans
Atlanta at New York

"Theres No Place Like Home Round"
Houston at Baltimore
Pittsburgh at New England
New Orleans at San Francisco
Atlanta at Green Bay

"Defense Wins Championships Round"
Baltimore at New England
San Francisco at Green Bay

Super "Harbaugh" Bowl

Baltimore vs San Francisco

[Crimson]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinnati @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
Falcons @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Conference

Baltimore @ New England
Atlanta @ New Orleans


Super Bowl

New England vs. New Orleans

[Team Sheep]

LOL whatever

Full 16 game season, full preseason..the only thing that was abridged was training camps and the offseason being screwy.

http://images.clipartof.com/small/33485-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Happy-Greek-Fisherman-In-A-Boat-Reeling-In-A-Fish-On-A-Hook.jpg

[DaveBrawl]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinnati @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
New York @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Conference

Baltimore @ New England
New York @ San Francisco


SUPER BOWL XLVI
Baltimore vs. New York

[FearedSanctity]

Rams dooming themselves to a decade of mediocrity, will interview Fisher this week

[ClockShot]

Black Monday continues.

Bills fire their defensive coordinator and give Dave Wannstedt the job.

[Triple Naitch]

The 'stache is back!

[Hanso Amore]

Black Monday continues.

Bills fire their defensive coordinator and give Dave Wannstedt the job.

With George Edwards at the helm the last two years, the bills have put up their 2nd and 3rd worst season totals in Yards and Points in Franchise history.

I love it. They get rid of Fewell and his 4-3 cover 2 to change to Edwards shitty 3-4 and now they will end up with Wannstedts shitty 4-3.

[Droford]

http://media.operationsports.com/shots/400/18527.jpg

didnt know they were bringing Blitz back

[Droford]

Bart Scott On soon being released by the Jets:

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[ClockShot]

Brian Schottenheimer gets a stay of execution in New York.

WFAN should be fun to listen to all day long tomorrow.

[Emperor Smeat]

LOL WUT

So does this mean Sanchez is gone now considering the options was to get rid of Schotty and rebuild the offensive style or Sanchez and build around a new QB for the future?

Him and Martz on the Bears had ok systems but don't work for either team (less ground pound for the Jets, less QB protection for the bears).

[Skippord]

They're firing Schottenheimer if he doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere else, they don't want to hurt his chances by firing him now.

[Blakeamus]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Houston @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
New York @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Conference

Baltimore @ New England
New Orleans @ Green Bay


SUPER BOWL XXXII
New Orleans vs. Baltimore

[RP]

Good bye Polians. It's time for a philosophy change.

[Rock Bottom]

why everyone think green bay uis dead

[Blakeamus]

I don't think that they are dead, but I have this feeling that a repeat doesn't happen. I think in the NFC, the Saint's are on fire ever since that lost to the Rams. And I feel that if the two would have a rematch in the NFC Championship game, Saint's will overcome in Lambeau Field. Either way, it would be one hell of a game.

[Kris P Lettus]

I like the cut of you jib, blakeamus..

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think the Saints can keep up in the elements at Lambeau. They play very average outdoors anyway.

[Cooler Tom Schuler]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinatti @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
New York @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Championships

New Orleans @ Green Bay
Baltimore @ New England

Superbowl

Green Bay @ Baltimore

---

I am a Packer fan, but I don't think I'm being too much of a homer here.

[Ermaximus]

Wildcard

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinatti @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
Atlanta @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Championships

San Francisco @ Green Bay
Pittsburgh @ New England

Superbowl

Pittsburgh @ San Francisco

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Norv Turner and AJ Smith will RETURN to the Chargers next year. Wow.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nice. That means Norv has officially been head coach there longer than Schottenheimer.

[CSL]

they'd have given him the boot had he gone 14-2

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Norv Turner and AJ Smith will RETURN to the Chargers next year. Wow.</font>
:rofl:


Mike Martz resigns as offensive coordinator for the Bears to go along with the GM and QB coach getting fired. Lovie Smith staying as the head coach for at least another year.

[DaveBrawl]

I actually think Norv has done a good job there the last couple of years with what he's had, so many injuries and good players shown the door have hampered the Chargers more than anything else. Smith on the other hand I'm glad they kept since he seems intent on sabotaging them purely to satisfy his ego.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't think the Saints can keep up in the elements at Lambeau. They play very average outdoors anyway.

WTF

The Saints only lost two games outdoors this year, one of them by 8 points at Lambeau..

If hanging 34 on the defending super bowl champs in their house is average, i'll take it..

I never understood why people act like an indoor team can not play outside.. its not like they don't play outside.. Brees went to Purdue, PT went to Illinois, Jenkins went to Ohio State..

[Emperor Smeat]

Jerry Jones won't step down as the Cowboys GM nor does he have any intentions of hiring one like Bill Polian.

Giant's Justin Tuck calls the Falcons O-Line a bunch of "dirtbags" with at least 2 other teams also complaining about their "cheap" tactics.

Steelers won't have S Ryan Clark against the Broncos due to illness and the team doesn't want to risk his health. Ryan Mundy (2 career starts) will take his spot for the game.

Andy Reid will return as the Eagles coach next season.

[Nark Order]

I say Saints and Pittsburgh in the Bowl with Saints getting the win.

[Nark Order]

Although, I will say that I think the 49ers can beat NO, and if that happens, things will be a whole lot different.

[#1-norm-fan]

WTF

The Saints only lost two games outdoors this year, one of them by 8 points at Lambeau..

They only lost 3 total...

I didn't say they were awful but they become average outdoors. They are not the same team.

They beat a bad Jacksonville team 23-10, they beat Carolina by 3, they lost to TAMPA BAY, and they barely eeked by Tennessee 22-17 in a game where I don't think they even score a TD til the 4th quarter.

If you wanna go back to last season, yes they had a couple impressive outdoor wins early in the season... they also struggled some and ended up losing to a 7-9 team in the playoffs in a game where they were playing catch up the whole time.

Yes, they become average outdoors and in the elements, it only makes it worse.

[#1-norm-fan]

I never understood why people act like an indoor team can not play outside.. its not like they don't play outside.. Brees went to Purdue, PT went to Illinois, Jenkins went to Ohio State..

I'm not saying any indoor team can't play outside, I'm saying the Saints specifically are not as good outside. However your theory is flawed since a) Thats only player by player examples, doesn't say anything about the TEAM, b) College... can't really draw comparisons and c) to be fair, Brees wasn't that good in the NFL when he played for the Chargers... an outdoor team

[Nark Order]

Yeah, you know how ridiculously frigid it can get in San Diego, California.

[DaveBrawl]

Yeah we all know how fair weather it is there.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh and if I had to make some unbiased, gun-to-my-head predictions:

Cincinnati @ Houston
Pittsburgh @ Denver
Detroit @ New Orleans
Atlanta @ New York

Divisonal

Cincinnati @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Baltimore
New York @ Green Bay
New Orleans @ San Francisco

Championships

New Orleans @ Green Bay
Pittsburgh @ New England

Superbowl

Green Bay @ New England</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Alright let's actually looks at how the Brees led Saints have done in cold weather games:

2006: 1-2 (lost @ Steelers and @ Bears in playoffs, won @ Giants)
2007: 0-1 (lost @ Bears)
2008: 1-1 (lost @ Bears, won @ Chiefs)
2009: 1-0 (won @ Redskins)
2010: 1-2 (lost @ Ravens and @ Seahawks in playoffs, won @ Bengals)
2011: 1-0 (won @ Titans)

So that's a 5-6 record includin the playoffs since Brees took over as starting QB. Not bad, especially since only 1 of those losses was to a bad team (Seahawks). But also not great. And it probably is worth noting that the only playoff game the Saints have won away from the Superdome was the neutral site Super Bowl against the Colts.

DUNNO GUYS, guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Nark Order]

Unless the 9ers beat the Saints. :)

We (9ers) probably have a chance going into Lambaugh against the Packers because cold weather is much harder on an offense than it is a defense. Also, the Packers haven't played at home this late in the season in quite awhile and may not be used to the cold themselves. BUT I DON'T KNOW.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

DUNNO

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, you know how ridiculously frigid it can get in San Diego, California.

Yes because I mentioned "outdoor and cold" so many times... :|

[SammyG]

Rams dooming themselves to a decade of mediocrity, will interview Fisher this week
Mediocrity is way better than what we have been.

[RP]

I watched Luck play last night. Holy fuck . Get him Indy. Get him.

[Nark Order]

Indy should draft him and not play him for 3 years.

[Droford]

Suggs/Tebow stuff is blown out of proportion.

[Nark Order]

You can tell he's halfway joking but still kind of being an asshole. Eh. I've got no problems with Terrell Suggs.

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[screech]

Terrell Suggs speaking.

[Nark Order]

We need to discuss something here. Why is it that Ravens fans are by far the most defensive fans in the entire NFL by a landslide? If you even halfway insinuate that Flacco might not be the right guy for the job, everybody goes absolutely fucking apeshit. I don't know a fan of another team that gets nearly as angry and frustrated as Ravens fans when questioned about their team, and especially their Quarterback. It's kind of boggling.

[screech]

I love Flacco and I can see that he's not the greatest QB ever. The biggest knock on him is that he's not clutch & it's completely true.

[screech]

I defend him because I'm a fan of his, but I wouldn't mind having a guy behind center who doesn't throw interceptions during comeback drives.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. It's just odd because if somebody was talking mad jIve about Alex Smith, who has proven himself a bit this year I'd be like "Yeah, he isn't everybody's cup of tea but he'll work for now." If somebody is even like "Hey, is that a hangnail on Flacco, he should really get that..." they get murdered with "THOUGH SHALT NOT SPEAKETH THE FUCKING NAME OF FLACCO!"

[screech]

I think it's the unibrow

[Droford]

I defend him because I'm a fan of his, but I wouldn't mind having a guy behind center who doesn't throw interceptions during comeback drives.

I wouldn't mind having a better/competent offensive coordinator and a legit #1 WR for Flacco to throw to..the RB shouldnt be the #1 receiver on the team.

[Nervous Ferret]

Hey everybody you hate the Ravens/Droford



We get it

[Nervous Ferret]

I hate them too but good lord

[James Steele]

1st & GOAL NerF!!

[DaveBrawl]

I don't hate them.

[Nark Order]

Bill Simmons agrees with me, King of the Forum.

Nerf, did your team make the playoffs? :)

[Nervous Ferret]

Oh holy shit Bill Simmons

[Innovator]

Simmons is trying to lure me into a false sense of security by saying the Falcons are frauds. The Gianys can't be hearing that.

[Droford]

Same douchebag (Bill Simmons, THE "SPORTS GUY") that said this:

From his Week 1 picks column:

Steelers (+1.5) over RAVENS
Every year, either six or seven playoff teams return to make the playoffs again … which means five or six drop out. Of the Eagles, Falcons, Jets and Ravens, isn't Baltimore the most likely free-faller? Tough schedule, weak corners, semishaky QB, soft pass rush, two aging defensive stars, a sketchy offensive line … what am I missing? Do you realize that, right after the lockout ended, the Vikings waived Bryant McKinnie because he showed up weighing nearly 400 pounds. They didn't have a replacement and didn't care; they just wanted him out. Now he's guarding Joe Flacco's blind side ahead of the guy from The Blind Side? OK. Relatively Bold Prediction No. 2: Baltimore misses the 2011 playoffs.Of course
A) The Ravens won that game in a blowout
B) The Ravens didn't miss the playoffs
C) Bryant McKinnie didn't play that bad in a backup role
D) The Ravens were one of the top teams in the league in Sacks (#3 with 48) and T-Sizzle had 14 to go with 7 forced fumbles and 2 ints putting him in talk for Defensive MVP
E) Sketchy corners don't turn in one of the top pass defenses in the league (#4 in yards allowed).
F) HOW THE FUCK WAS THEIR SCHEDULE TOUGH. They played the NFC West and AFC South. I was saying last year their schedule was cupcakey enough to go 14-2 for crying out loud.

[Nervous Ferret]

I like Bill Simmons. I don't like the Ravens or gay Ravens fans. Still every post seems to be about fucking Flacco. Non-delusional football fans don't actually think he is anything special. Let it go.

Don't you like the Chargers anyway

[DaveBrawl]

I'm a little sad my quiet shot at Chargers fans was disregarded. Truly a lost season for them.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hey guys Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez?

[Nark Order]

I love Bill Simmons like a father.

[screech]

Big fan of Bill Simmons.

[Nark Order]

I'm a 9ers fan but Phillip Rivers is cute and I would buy him dinner at a nice restaurant.

[Droford]

Hey guys Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez?

Well the best stat in this debate is a simple one.

Joe Flacco 2 Mark Sanchez 0

But beyond that

Sanchez is 31-22 in 3 years, Flacco is 48-23 in 4 years.

Flacco has a better career passer rating (85 to 75), better completion % (60 to 55)
Sanchez has thrown 51 ints in 3 years, Flacco only has 46 in 4 years (flacco's high is 12, 3 of 4 years and Sanchez threw 20 his first year and 18 this past year).

Sanchez 3400 yards passing this year was his high, Flacco has had at least 3600 the last 3 years.

They both get sacked at about the same rate and fumble the ball about the same rate.

Conclusion: Joe Flacco > Mark Sanchez

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nope you're wrong. Sanchez went to two AFC title games in his first two seasons. Flacco only went to one.

Therefore, Sanchez > Flacco. Have a nice day!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bet you're about to come back with some stats that aren't about AFC title games. THEY DON'T MATTER

[Droford]

Flacco's gone to the playoffs 4 straight years and is going to the Super Bowl this year.

dont see the Jets anywhere in the playoffs..hmm

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol @ stats that don't matter

[screech]

Joe Flacco is not the greatest QB to ever walk the Earth, Droford.

[Droford]

he isn't even the greatest to walk around baltimore

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Johnny_Unitas.jpg

He is the greatest Ravens QB ever though..

and probably the greatest ever player to come out of Delaware...Im almost sure of that without looking it up.

EDIT: Rich Gannon went to Delware..hmm..might have to wait a while to call Flacco the best ever out of Delware..damn

[Supreme Olajuwon]

especially when he cant even make two AFC title games in his first two seasons

[Emperor Smeat]

Wouldn't he just be the greatest Baltimore QB and not the Ravens considering the Ravens don't have any real connection to the Colts history. Baltimore has the connection but not the Ravens.

The Ravens are closer to the old Browns than the Colts in terms of history.

[Droford]

Wouldn't he just be the greatest Baltimore QB and not the Ravens considering the Ravens don't have any real connection to the Colts history. Baltimore has the connection but not the Ravens.

The Ravens are closer to the old Browns than the Colts in terms of history.
Unitas did not play for the Indianapolis Colts. fuck that

Ravens are considered an expansion team. Fastest expansion team to ever win a championship in sports history too.

[Boomer]

Simmons is trying to lure me into a false sense of security by saying the Falcons are frauds. The Gianys can't be hearing that.

Have you listened to Simmons talk about the Falcons the past few years? He can't stand the Falcons, probably because they are a hard team for him to bet on. They basically never blow out teams. I definitely agree with him that they haven't put up a great game on a great team this year, but they shouldn't be taken lightly either. A lot of the Falcons' fan-base honestly believes that the coaching is holding the team back, and I'm inclined to agree with some of that, despite this being the most successful stretch for a Falcons team in their entire history. The Falcons run a basic offense and defense, and can still beat you with it on a good night, but need to start making big plays to keep up with other teams in the league.

Ryan basically needs to run the no-huddle all game. Every analyst all over would say that has been the Falcons' best offensive strategy this year.

[Boomer]

Still love Simmons though. It unnerves me to hear him talk about the Falcons, but he is a legitimately funny guy and still knows his shit. He's not perfect, but he basically runs a line on every single football game for the entire season.

[Droford]

Matt Ryan 0-2 in the playoffs

[FearedSanctity]

How can Flacco be the best Ravens QB because of his irrelevant past playoff record when Trent Dilfer actually won a Super Bowl with the Ravens?

By Dro's logic, Dilfer > Flacco

[Droford]

How can Flacco be the best Ravens QB because of his irrelevant past playoff record when Trent Dilfer actually won a Super Bowl with the Ravens?

By Dro's logic, Dilfer > Flacco

No Ravens QB has led them to the playoffs 4 straight years (the Colts never even made the playoffs 4 straight years, and the Ravens are a Patriots loss and a win away from hosting the first championship game in Baltimore since 1959). Dilfer wasn't even around after they won the Super Bowl (WE GOTTA HAVE ELVIS GRBAC! YEAH!)

Which is also why Harbaugh > Billick, who I really never could stand in the first place cause he acted like he knew everything..

in fact, Harbaugh is only the 4th coach since 1970 to take a team to the playoffs each of his first 4 years. One of the others is Shanahan who won 2 Super Bowls in those 4 years.

[FearedSanctity]

You put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay yoo much stock in making the playoffs. If you don't win the Super Bowl making the playoffs don't mean shit.

Hey, remember that time Denver went to the playoffs three years in a row with Jake Plummer, once losing in the AFC championship game? Tell me, what does that mean to Denver now? Jack shit. Same thing as any other teams just making the playoffs

If you don't win it all, it doesn't fucking matter what you did

[Droford]

You cant win it all if you dont make the playoffs.

and hey, the Ravens have the best record of any team over the last 4 years.

Not the Patriots, Saints, Colts, Packers, Cowboys or anyone else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

But Mark Sanchez has made more AFC title games.

Therefore, Mark Sanchez > Joe Flacco.

[Droford]

give Flacco a couple more weeks

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nope. Sanchez was 2 in his first 2 years. Flacco can never = Sanchez.

[Boomer]

Matt Ryan 0-2 in the playoffs

Who the fuck cares? Ryan doesn't have a great defense to support him during shitty games like Flacco does.

And hell, if I were a betting man, I'd be picking the Giants to win on Sunday. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not blind to the Falcons' inconsistencies. Matt Ryan still had a career year this year in his first year with the offense (mostly) under his control. The Falcons' defense, not offense, will likely be the deciding factor in their playoff games. I trust Matt and Co. to put up points. The only reason they might not put up enough points is, like I said before, a coaching decision. The Falcons are almost guaranteed to run ball control, while teams like the Packers and Saints will just score well past them.

And Matt Ryan can't throw a deep ball well to save his life. That doesn't help much either.

[DaveBrawl]

You put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay yoo much stock in making the playoffs. If you don't win the Super Bowl making the playoffs don't mean shit.

Hey, remember that time Denver went to the playoffs three years in a row with Jake Plummer, once losing in the AFC championship game? Tell me, what does that mean to Denver now? Jack shit. Same thing as any other teams just making the playoffs

If you don't win it all, it doesn't fucking matter what you did

If it means getting back Plummer in his prime it means everything.:'(

[Droford]

Matt Ryan has lost to the two eventual NFC Super Bowl Teams in the wild card round..

should be good news for Giants fans (and for my dream rematch of Ravens/Giants in the Super Bowl)

[FearedSanctity]

You cant win it all if you dont make the playoffs

No shit, but my point stands. A season that doesn't end in a Super Bowl win is technically a losing season, playoff appearance or not

and hey, the Ravens have the best record of any team over the last 4 years

And no championships, so what the fuck does that useless stat matter?

[Droford]

wrong!

2011 AFC North Champions

[FearedSanctity]

Yes, because that's exactly what I meant. Division titles don't mean a damn thing other than being good for playoff seeding, so let's not act as if it's meaningful otherwise

[Droford]

I have to root for the Orioles so I over emphasize the Ravens ok..

I thought it was obvious.

[DaveBrawl]

It's ok Droford, I understand.

[screech]

I love Trent Dilfer.

And Brian Billick.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i.imgur.com/y34VF.jpg

[James Steele]

That is pretty good.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Matthew Stafford probably had the greatest season in history that no one will ever talk about.

[RP]

Matthew Stafford probably had the greatest season in history that no one will ever talk about.

Yah I was going to post about that. Should be getting mvp talk. No running game whatsoever and detroits defense stinks

[MTH15]

Im kinda nervous, Ive endured two torturous victories for the opposing team in the playoffs. And after the Saints I really think we're not gonna show up, but I got faith and I think those defeats will fuel us past the suck ass Giants Falcons win by 2 leggoooooo

[Droford]

I love Trent Dilfer.

And Brian Billick.

No problem at all with Dilfer. I wish they had kept him as the QB, can't believe they let him go after winning the Super Bowl. Him going and Jamal Lewis getting hurt made 2001 terrible although they did still make the playoffs.

One of the reasons why Ravens fans like Flacco so much is because he's infinitely better than 99% of the QBs the Ravens have had. The only other guy who may have been better was McNair, and he got them a Division title and a bye before that awful loss to the colts in 06, but he was also past his prime. Dont even want to get started on Kyle Boller, who had the most wins at QB before Flacco (20). The Jeff Blake/Chris Redman/Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright years (02-05) were horrible, the only reason they won the division in 03 was because of Jamal's 2066 yard season.

[screech]

Matthew Stafford probably had the greatest season in history that no one will ever talk about.

Yah I was going to post about that. Should be getting mvp talk. No running game whatsoever and detroits defense stinks

Indeed. With Brees, Brady & Rodgers playing the way they did, though, he got lost in the shuffle. A shame, really, since Ctafford did it with no real run game & had to be throwing all day as RP said.

[Droford]

Are the Detroit Lions going to the Super Bowl a sign of the Appocalypse? The only other team that could be would be the Browns but I think that is more like a curse on the city of Cleveland since no one in Cleveland wins.

I think I will root for the Lions in the NFC. Plus I took them +11 vs the Saints. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Matt Ryan has lost to the two eventual NFC Super Bowl Teams in the wild card round..

should be good news for Giants fans (and for my dream rematch of Ravens/Giants in the Super Bowl)

Green Bay was the divisional round.

[Reavant]

Unitas did not play for the Indianapolis Colts. fuck that

Ravens are considered an expansion team. Fastest expansion team to ever win a championship in sports history too.

you fucking dolt...... it doesnt matter what they are "considered" now the fact is that they were an already in tact team that was relocated. The reason they had to make it an expansion was due to legal stuff with cleveland and sending their franchise history back there. The fact remains that the players on that championship ravens team were predominantly old cleveland browns players.

So if you want to go and say it was some accomplishment that they won a championship so fast after all they really had was a name change, then go ahead because you make yourself look like more of an ass than you already are.

[Nark Order]

Bill Simmons doesn't really like the Falcons or the Ravens because they are really inconsistent and hard for him to bet on.

[Emperor Smeat]

Are the Detroit Lions going to the Super Bowl a sign of the Appocalypse? The only other team that could be would be the Browns but I think that is more like a curse on the city of Cleveland since no one in Cleveland wins.

I think I will root for the Lions in the NFC. Plus I took them +11 vs the Saints. lol

Nah Detroit is actually good unlike the Browns but they have the same issue the Bengals had this season in having no wins against any teams in the playoffs (conference only).

Detroit is 0-5 vs NFC playoff teams while the Bengals are 0-6 vs AFC playoff teams. The only real difference is the Lions faced more offensive-dominate teams for those losses while the Bengals faced defensive-dominate teams.

[Triple Naitch]

Unitas did not play for the Indianapolis Colts. fuck that

Ravens are considered an expansion team. Fastest expansion team to ever win a championship in sports history too.

Even if you count the Ravens as an expansion team, they won the Super Bowl in 5 years. Arizona Diamondbacks won the World Series in four years.

[weather vane]

Joe Flacco blows.

[Ermaximus]

Old Cleveland Browns, New Baltimore Ravens. Same shit, different name.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The records/history is owned by Cleveland technically the Ravens were an expansion team.

[Triple Naitch]

They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.

[Droford]

Joe Flacco blows.

First Four Years: (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/1/2/2677440/joe-flacco-a-comparison-study)

<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="79">QB
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Rating
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> Playoff Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Comp
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Att
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> Pct
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> Yards
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> TD
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> Int
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> FL
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Joe Flacco (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34919/joe-flacco)
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 44
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 4
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1190
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1958
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 13816
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 80
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Ryan
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 88.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 43
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0

</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1232
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2022
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 14238
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 95
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Big Ben
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 92.5
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 39
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 5
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 908
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1436
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 11673
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 84
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 54
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 8
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brees
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 83.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 21
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 802
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1309
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8772
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 56
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 5
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brady
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 37
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 954
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1544
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10333
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 69
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 12
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Rodgers
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 91.8
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 6
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 376
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 595
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 4367
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 29
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 6
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Favre
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 82.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 28
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 2
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 983
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1575
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10412
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 70
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 53
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Peyton
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 85.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1357
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2226
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16418
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 111
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 81
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Montana
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 87.9
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 18
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 713
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1130
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8064
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 52
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Marino
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 95.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 41
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1249
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2050
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16177
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 142
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 67
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 18
</td></tr></tbody></table>
He hardly "blows" Everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Matt Ryan won a Super Bowl and he's on par with every one of them through 4 years.

[Droford]

They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.

Under the deal with the NFL, the expansion Cleveland Browns team that came in 1999 got to keep all of the Cleveland Browns history, so yes technically the Ravens were an expansion team.

[FearedSanctity]

First Four Years: (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/1/2/2677440/joe-flacco-a-comparison-study)

<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="79">QB
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Rating
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> Playoff Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Comp
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Att
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> Pct
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> Yards
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> TD
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> Int
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> FL
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Joe Flacco (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34919/joe-flacco)
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 44
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 4
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1190
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1958
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 13816
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 80
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Ryan
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 88.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 43
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0

</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1232
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2022
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 14238
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 95
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Big Ben
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 92.5
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 39
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 5
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 908
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1436
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 11673
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 84
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 54
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 8
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brees
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 83.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 21
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 802
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1309
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8772
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 56
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 5
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brady
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 37
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 954
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1544
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10333
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 69
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 12
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Rodgers
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 91.8
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 6
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 376
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 595
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 4367
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 29
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 6
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Favre
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 82.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 28
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 2
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 983
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1575
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10412
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 70
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 53
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Peyton
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 85.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1357
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2226
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16418
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 111
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 81
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Montana
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 87.9
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 18
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 713
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1130
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8064
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 52
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Marino
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 95.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 41
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1249
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2050
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16177
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 142
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 67
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 18
</td></tr></tbody></table>
He hardly "blows" Everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Matt Ryan won a Super Bowl and he's on par with every one of them through 4 years.


Oooo, his season stats. How about his total playoff stats?

Games: 7
Yards: 1050
YPG: 150
TDs: 4
INTs: 7

*Only 2 games with a rating over 80
*2 games with a rating under 20
*4 games with a completion % of 50 or less


Those are essentially Tebow's numbers, yet you'll hypocritically criticize Tim's stats in a win but worship Joe's ability to do enough. And you wonder why no one gives a shit about Flacco. He may be decent enough to get them to the playoffs, which honestly hasn't been that hard to do in the AFC recently, but he's only going to completely fuck up in the playoffs and be carried by his running game and defense

[FearedSanctity]

Under the deal with the NFL, the expansion Cleveland Browns team that came in 1999 got to keep all of the Cleveland Browns history, so yes technically the Ravens were an expansion team.

It's not the history that determines an expansion team, you fucking idiot. The Ravens are the Browns the same way the Titans are the Oilers. Same team, different city, different name. Only difference is the city of Cleveland cared enough to fight to keep the history and name.

The Ravens are the Browns, deal with it

[Emperor Smeat]

They're not expansion. They did not increase the number of teams in the league or have a draft to fill the Raven's team. The Texans are an expansion team.

Yeup the Ravens are a relocation team than an actual expansion team. The only thing the Ravens didn't keep was the old Browns history since that went to the current Browns who actually are an expansion team in a technical way.

The Ravens and current Browns do share the same history in terms of being descendants of the old Browns.

[Droford]

It's not the history that determines an expansion team, you fucking idiot. The Ravens are the Browns the same way the Titans are the Oilers. Same team, different city, different name. Only difference is the city of Cleveland cared enough to fight to keep the history and name.

The Ravens are the Browns, deal with it

The Ravens are not the Browns, there is no official connection beyond the fact that some browns players played for the Ravens in 1996 and beyond.
And the only player from the Browns era that had any impact on the Ravens was Matt Stover. In fact after two years when they moved to the new stadium I think Stover was the only player left that had played for the Browns.

[Nark Order]

Droford, you are quite the moron.

[Droford]

I am not. The NFL officially recognizes that the Ravens never existed in any form prior to 1996. You can get a Cleveland Browns media guide and look up the history and it goes all the way back to the 50s to todays current team but it just doesn't include 1996-1998.

[Nark Order]

Droford, the Browns relocated to Baltimore. Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore and it was a huge and ridiculous controversy. It is still frowned upon to this day.

What are you talking about?

[FearedSanctity]

The Ravens are not the Browns, there is no official connection beyond the fact that some browns players played for the Ravens in 1996 and beyond.
And the only player from the Browns era that had any impact on the Ravens was Matt Stover. In fact after two years when they moved to the new stadium I think Stover was the only player left that had played for the Browns.

OFFICIALLY there is no connection, but anyone with a brain (may be why you're struggling with this) knows that the Ravens in '96 were the '95 Browns with additions. So there was massive overhaul? So the fuck what? How many of the Seahawks this year were there before Carroll a couple years ago? It happens any time a team gets a new HC, doesn't make the identity any different. How much impact they had is irrelevant

[screech]

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up, Droford.

[FearedSanctity]

Jesus Christ shut the fuck up, Droford.

[DaveBrawl]

First Four Years: (http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/1/2/2677440/joe-flacco-a-comparison-study)

<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="79">QB
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Rating
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> Playoff Wins
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> Comp
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> Att
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> Pct
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> Yards
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> TD
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> Int
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> FL
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Joe Flacco (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34919/joe-flacco)
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 44
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 4
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1190
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1958
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 13816
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 80
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Ryan
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 88.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 43
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0

</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1232
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2022
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 14238
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 95
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 46
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Big Ben
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 92.5
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 39
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 5
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 908
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1436
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 11673
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 84
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 54
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 8
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brees
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 83.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 21
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 802
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1309
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8772
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 56
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 5
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Brady
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 86.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 37
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 954
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1544
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10333
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 69
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 38
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 12
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Rodgers
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 91.8
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 6
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 376
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 595
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 4367
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 29
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 14
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 6
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Favre
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 82.4
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 28
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 2
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 983
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1575
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 62
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 10412
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 70
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 53
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Peyton
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 85.1
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 0
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1357
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2226
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16418
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 111
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 81
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 9
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Montana
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 87.9
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 18
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 713
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 1130
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 63
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 8064
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 52
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 32
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 7
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" width="79"> Marino
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 95.2
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 41
</td> <td valign="top" width="90"> 3
</td> <td valign="top" width="54"> 1249
</td> <td valign="top" width="48"> 2050
</td> <td valign="top" width="39"> 61
</td> <td valign="top" width="58"> 16177
</td> <td valign="top" width="41"> 142
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 67
</td> <td valign="top" width="36"> 18
</td></tr></tbody></table>
He hardly "blows" Everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Matt Ryan won a Super Bowl and he's on par with every one of them through 4 years.

This list does not contain John Elway therefore it is worthless.

[FearedSanctity]

No, because Elway's stats his first 4 seasons weren't all that great and the last thing I need is that fucking idiot thinking Flacco can even compare to Elway

[screech]

Love John Elway.

[DaveBrawl]

No, because Elway's stats his first 4 seasons weren't all that great and the last thing I need is that fucking idiot thinking Flacco can even compare to Elway

Yeah I know, but regardless of his stats a Super Bowl appearance in his 4th season with two 11 win seasons and a 12 win season prove far more to me than his stats. Plus he didn't have a defense that was arguably the best in the league behind him.

[Droford]

Love John Elway.

Fuck John Elway in the ass with a 10 foot pole. If he hadn't demanded the Colts trade him or he would go play baseball for the Yankees, then maybe the Colts would still be in Baltimore. They got hosed in the trade too...Mark Herrmann anyone???

[DaveBrawl]

John Elway for the win.

Thanks for playing everyone.

[screech]

Colts ended up getting one of the best QBs ever so I'd say it's all good.

[screech]

Also I was just playing Madden 99. Elway to McCaffrey all day.

[DaveBrawl]

Used to love Gameday 98 with TD on the cover. Played that thing for ages, unfortunately TD would end up busting a 99 yard run and end up with a pulled hamstring every game he played.

My brother, playing as the Phins, managed to get 3 qbs injured in one game and ended up with Thurman Thomas playing qb at the end.

Probably my favorite football game.

[FearedSanctity]

Used to love Gameday 98 with TD on the cover. Played that thing for ages, unfortunately TD would end up busting a 99 yard run and end up with a pulled hamstring every game he played.

omg totally remember this happening constantly. Miss the shit out of that game

[screech]

Never owned that game :-\

[DaveBrawl]

omg totally remember this happening constantly. Miss the shit out of that game

I remember doing it with Elway a few times too, and my brother with Marino and Jim Kelly. Always had a good laugh when Dan Marino is busting 99 yard runs out on a team.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol yeah I remember that. If you hit the speed burst button twice on one play it was an automatic pulled hamstring that knocked you out for the rest of the game. Thing I once tried to injure as many people as possible and wound up with 11 guys left on the team, no more injuries allowed - and those 11 guys had to be on the field for every play for offense, defense, and special teams.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Actually I remember some of the old games allowed you to create your own teams and you could have as few a 11 players on it if you wanted. Was funny watching an offensive line vs. defensive line game.</font>

[SammyG]

FINNA GET JEFF FISHER NIGGA

[FearedSanctity]

FINNA 7-9/8-8 FOR NEXT FIVE YEARS NIGGA

[SammyG]

THAT SHIT WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE BEEN DOIN NIGGA

[FearedSanctity]

NOT REALLY NIGGA

[Blakeamus]

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405489_274561585931046_100001316197621_693437_1095114727_n.jpg

[Skippord]

Fuck John Elway in the ass with a 10 foot pole. If he hadn't demanded the Colts trade him or he would go play baseball for the Yankees, then maybe the Colts would still be in Baltimore. They got hosed in the trade too...Mark Herrmann anyone???
hey maybe if Baltimore weren't such a nightmarish hellscape John Elway would have played there

[Droford]

Too bad he never played the Ravens.

Would laugh my ass off if the Bengals and Broncos win and he has to bring his Broncos to Baltimore for the Divisional Round.

[DaveBrawl]

Honestly if Denver wins I think I would prefer Baltimore to New England again, not that I think they would necessarily have much of a chance, I just don't want them to go out via the Pats.

[FearedSanctity]

Too bad he never played the Ravens.

He did, in '96. Denver won 45-34

[screech]

You're making me look bad as a Ravens fan, Droford.

[FearedSanctity]

He also played the Baltimore Browns in all but 3 seasons

[Emperor Smeat]

Jeff Fisher has narrowed his job choices to just Miami and St Louis although if the Rams don't get Fisher, they might go after the Cardinals defense coordinator for the job.

Mike Tice replaces Martz as the new offensive coordinator for the Bears.

Steelers announce Roethlisberger will start despite his injured ankle against the Broncos.

Patriots will have a new offensive coordinator next season as O'Brien (9 years with the Pats) will become Penn State's new head coach.

[weather vane]

Joe Flacco fucking sucks.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Joe Flaccid</font>

[FearedSanctity]

lol, apparently Brady Quinn got TWO whole reps today, which according to him is normal for a Friday, and some idiot "league source" is blowing up the story as Quinn has been getting half the reps all week. So anything you may read about this is trash. Not only is the report being thoroughly denied by all Broncos reporters, but Quinn himself is calling BS

[Supreme Olajuwon]

good I was concerned

[FearedSanctity]

I'm glad I could put your mind at ease.

[owenbrown]

way too much homerism in the sports forum

[owenbrown]

and Droford is the biggest homer of them all... SammyG a very close second

[Droford]

Ive made my mind up this morning that if the Ravens go to New England for the AFC Championship I will hop on an Amtrak (droford riding Amtrak!!?!) to Boston/South South Station from BWI Airport and sit in section 338 as I can get a ticket up there and the train round trip for about $500. No fucking way im going to the Super Bowl (cheapest ticket Ive seen online is $2500).

[DaveWadding]

ovenbrowned, TPWW's social commentator.


WHO WILL VOICE THE VOICELESS?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Brent Grimes hasn't been practicing and is listed as questionable with a knee injury. He'll certainly end up playing, but it won't be 100%. That could end up being a huge factor with the Giants' penchant for deep plays.

Love playoff football.</font>

[Droford]

Texans -3.5
Lions +10.5
--
Giants -3.5
Broncos +8.5

I could have also bet on the Pro Bowl (NFC -3.5) or Super Bowl (NFC -4)

[Droford]

Jeff Fisher to the Rams more than likely?

Victor Cruz turns down an appearance on Dancing with the Stars.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Why is Fischer in such demand right now? If he was that good of a coach still wouldn't he have gotten a job before this season?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He was only fired last January. Lots of coaches take a year off after leaving a gig.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Jeff Fisher to the Rams more than likely?

Victor Cruz turns down an appearance on Dancing with the Stars.

I still say Bill Pullman is my favorite UMass alum.

[D Mac]

I hate the Bengals!

[D Mac]

WHO DEY THINK GONNA BEAT DEM BENGALS

The TEXANS!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

WHO DEY THINK GONNA BEAT DEM BENGALS

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODY!

:y:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I too love the Bengals!

[Emperor Smeat]

Chiefs set to keep Romeo Crennel as the coach for next season which means Josh McDaniels now is very likely to return to the Patriots as the offense coordinator. McDaniels was rumored to be in the running for the Chiefs job until O'Brien decided to leave the Pats for Penn State.

Rams were more worried about McDaniels becoming a head coach after the season ended and didn't bother to try to lock him up to return next season since Fisher wants to bring his own staff to the Rams if he goes there.

[Droford]

I wonder if the Chiefs still had to interview a minority candidate even though they kept one as the coach anyway?

[Droford]

ruhoh

[Evil Vito]

I wonder if the Chiefs still had to interview a minority candidate even though they kept one as the coach anyway?

<font color=goldenrod>Nope, if a minority candidate is the only one interviewed it's already in compliance.

The Rooney Rule is pretty stupid tbh. There was a time where it might have made some sense when whites dominated the coaching positions, but now that there are a pretty large amount of black coaches (head coaches, coordinators, and assistants) I'm not sure it's really needed. Everybody points to the Steelers with Mike Tomlin even though the Rooneys have gone on record of saying they were always going to interview Tomlin...he was not a "token" interview.

Almost wonder if Perry Fewell is gonna get a million interviews this offseason just like last year solely because teams have to meet the requirements.</font>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Equality Opportunity shouldn't have to clearly defined in this rule. It's the law.

[D Mac]

Nice job Supreme.

[#1-norm-fan]

<font color=goldenrod>Nope, if a minority candidate is the only one interviewed it's already in compliance.

The Rooney Rule is pretty stupid tbh. There was a time where it might have made some sense when whites dominated the coaching positions, but now that there are a pretty large amount of black coaches (head coaches, coordinators, and assistants) I'm not sure it's really needed. Everybody points to the Steelers with Mike Tomlin even though the Rooneys have gone on record of saying they were always going to interview Tomlin...he was not a "token" interview.

Almost wonder if Perry Fewell is gonna get a million interviews this offseason just like last year solely because teams have to meet the requirements.</font>

It was always a stupid rule. If there are 0 black head coaches in the league or 32, it's a stupid rule.

[D Mac]

LOL SUCK IT HOHIO

[D Mac]

WHO DEY THINK GONNA BEAT DEM BENGALS

The TEXANS!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yikes. Bengals just didn't show up to this one.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Love both teams, but TEXANS :love:

But now of course this just means if Denver can win they have to go to New England instead :-\

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If the Texans win the Super Bowl, that guy who got the Texans Super Bowl 46 Champions tattoo is going to look like a prophet.</font>

[D Mac]

Supreme suicide watch.

[parkmania]

<font color=goldenrod> Everybody points to the Steelers with Mike Tomlin even though the Rooneys have gone on record of saying they were always going to interview Tomlin...he was not a "token" interview.</font>

No, they weren't. It was pretty much a given that Ken Whisenhunt was going to be the next head coach when Cowher left, but days before they were set to make it formal, Whiz went and signed with 'Zona. Until that moment, Tomlin was most definitely a token.

[DaveWadding]

<font color=goldenrod>

Almost wonder if Perry Fewell is gonna get a million interviews this offseason just like last year solely because teams have to meet the requirements.</font>

Him and Cards' DC Ray Horton.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Supreme suicide watch.

nope

[Supreme Olajuwon]

making the playoffs with a team many predicted to go 0-16 is nothing to kill yourself over

now finishing in last place in a terrible division, that may be grounds

so have fun

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Lions may have had a chance in this one if their defense was capable of making a tackle. Saints/Niners next week should be interesting.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

This is one of the worst defensive performances I have ever seen.

[owenbrown]

Thanks for coming, Detroit

[Skippord]

Lions may have had a chance in this one if their defense was capable of making a tackle. Saints/Niners next week should be interesting.
or catch a fucking ball

[#1-norm-fan]

Detroit should have just gone onside kick after every score. Worst case scenario, NO gets their TD quicker so they can have the ball back.

[#1-norm-fan]

Christ on a cracker, DEFENSE you dumb shits.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Lions may have had a chance in this one if their defense was capable of making a tackle. Saints/Niners next week should be interesting.</font>

They had a huge chance in the 1st half to potentially have a bigger lead but couldn't take advantage of the turnovers or poor start by Brees. Lions best hope was either a huge half-time lead or at least match the Saints on scoring and neither occurred.

Lions defense wasn't able to completely shut down a top team this season so it was just a matter of time before Brees got hot.

[Nark Order]

Bring it, Krispy. It is time for war.

[Hanso Amore]

LOL to take it back, Gameday 98

Use3d to hate the pulled hamstring shit.

I remember playing as Carolina and seeing the backup tim Biakabutuka get hurt, and literally be playing my 5th string HB. But the Juke was so strong even they could run for 100.

[DaveBrawl]

I had one franchise where I used to put Kordell Stewart in every position I could, even edited his kicking power and made him punter once. If they were going to call him Slash I was going to have him live up to the name.

[D Mac]

making the playoffs with a team many predicted to go 0-16 is nothing to kill yourself over

now finishing in last place in a terrible division, that may be grounds

so have fun

I will next year when KC WINS IT ALL

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i.imgur.com/2AZ9M.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. That's fucking retarded.

[Boomer]

Brent Grimes is inactive. Should be over for the Falcons before the game has started.

[Kris P Lettus]

Go G-men!!

[Innovator]

Stop with the delays.and draws, just fucking run the ball