NFL 2012 Off-Season Thread

[screech]

He at least has a ring though.

[screech]

The great Trent Dilfer is 81st in game ending drives in case anyone is curious, but that's because he ended the game before it even began just by showing up and putting on his jockstrap.

:mad: Trent Dilfer is wonderful

[James Steele]

You are fortunate to have a great QB in Tom Brady. You and I are getting tangled in a matter of semantics. The sentiment is the same: manning doesn't get the job done in the playoffs(when it counts)

He's been to 2 SuperBowls, won 1 SuperBowl, and been in handful of AFC Championship games. It takes more than a QB to win in the playoffs, so to just blow off what Peyton has done because they didn't win the SuperBowl every year is fucking absurd.

[Next Big Thing]

He's been to 2 SuperBowls, won 1 SuperBowl, and been in handful of AFC Championship games. It takes more than a QB to win in the playoffs, so to just blow off what Peyton has done because they didn't win the SuperBowl every year is fucking absurd.

It's SUPER BOWL Steele! SUPER BOWL! Two words. You're not representing the South appropriately right now.

I agree with you about how you can't blow off Peyton's accomplishments because he didn't win the SUPER BOWL every year, but let's not forget there was that four year stretch before winning the big one where he got his ass handed to him in the playoffs and could shoulder most of the blame for that because of the way he played.

[Next Big Thing]

:mad: Trent Dilfer is wonderful

I think Trent is 81st because he's so humble and doesn't like to take too much of the limelight away from his fellow quarterbacks.

[Ermaximus]

Calling it now, Tebow will be a Jaguar by the end of the day. I'm fine with this because it means Gene Smith will likely quit as GM because he's the one who picked Gabbert to be his guy.

[Hanso Amore]

Tebow to Jacksonville would solely be to sell tickets in North Florida.

[Ermaximus]

That's pretty much why I said he'd be a Jaguar. Khan wants him so he can drive more ticket sales. Smith doesn't want him because he sees Tebow as a distraction. Ultimately the owner gets the final say here, but if Tebow coming to Jax means Gene Smith leaves, I'm fine with it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tebow to the Jets please. The trainwreck factor would be amazing. Fans would call for Tebow with each Sanchez incomplete pass.</font>

[Ermaximus]

So Vito you're saying they'd be calling for Tebow after the opening Jets drive then?

[Innovator]

Tebow to the Jets would be amazing for the sole reason of listening to Francesa and Jets fans pontificate about Sanchize vs. Tebow.

[ClockShot]

Tim Tebow for your best offensive or defensive player.

Or a tractor trailer of picks would make me happy.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>No doubt about it.</font>

[McLegend]

The world would explode if Tebow went to New York.

[McLegend]

Sean Payton suspended for the entire year.

[CSL]

huge 5 minutes, Sean Payton suspended for the season, Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely, Loomis 8 games, Saints lose 12 and 13 2nd round picks, Tebow to NYJ for a 4th round pick

[McLegend]

TEBOW TO THE JETS
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefterCloseSean Payton suspended one year. Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and a second round pick in 2012 and 2012.

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefterCloseSaints lost two second-round picks, one in 12 one in 13.
CloseDenver traded quarterback Tim Tebow to the NY Jets.

[McLegend]

Tim Tebow traded to the Jets.

[Innovator]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
So Sean Payton suspended one year, effective April 1, and Tebow traded to Jets.

Craziest minute right there.

[Hanso Amore]

HOLY SHIT

Sean Payton suspended for 1 year, Greg Williams suspended INDEFINITELY

[Hanso Amore]

Odd, It didnt show me your posts before mine, and now I look like Susie Come Lately.

[Innovator]

I can't wait for Ladanian and Santonio Holmes to shit all over Tebow.

[ClockShot]

Damn. That's harsh, IMO. I know Payton said he had nothing to do with it, but wow.

Where's Krispy, I want his take on this.

Jets kept Sanchize last week, I wonder what ol' Woody got going on if he's grabbing Tebow.

[Innovator]

Jets can't handle no one talking about them.

[McLegend]

I win Hanso.

[ClockShot]

Jets give Denver their 4th round pick for Tebow.

How ironic/appropriate.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL oh god what a shit show this is gonna be</font>

[Nark Order]

Saints being used as an example. Damn, son.

[Nark Order]

As harsh as the punishment is, it might be a smart move by the NFL. They'll most likely never have to deal with this type of problem ever again because of this.

[CSL]

full Tebow trade is Tebow & 7th for Jets 4th & 6th

[Innovator]

LOL, Francesa is going crazy.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Hate to say it, but Francesa is 100% right. The Tebow move is 100% for publicity. The Jets can't stand playing second fiddle to the Giants. This is going to be a glorious carwreck.</font>

[RoXer]

Lin-Sanity!!!!!

[RoXer]

Tebowmania!!!!!!!!

[Next Big Thing]

Didn't Williams do the same thing in Washington? Is the NFL going to retroactively punish that franchise with fines and draft pick dockings too?

2012-2013 NFC South Division Champions: Atlanta Falcons

[RoXer]

Fred Wilpon!!!!!!!!!!!

[Innovator]

http://www.bio27.com/images/eli-manning-player.jpg

[RoXer]

The Islanders!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!

[Next Big Thing]

Antonio Cromartie (@ACromartie)
Posted Tuesday 20th March 2012 from TweetCaster

We don't need Tebow. We sell out every home game let him go to Jacksonville Tampa or Miami. Our wildcat offense can b ran by J. Kerley or Joe McKnight we straight


Don't really understand it. He doesn't fit their locker room culture at all. So much for locker room harmony.

[Nark Order]

The Jets are such a trainwreck right now

[RoXer]

That tweet was before the trade.

[Splaya]

God cannot wait for Sanchize to get boo'd

[Nark Order]

Oh. Next Big Thing, you fuck. What are you trying to do here? Trouble making internet rascal.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Since the Jets are all about buzz, maybe they should try to get the Old Gunslinger out of retirement now and run a Triple QB package.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Saints

[Next Big Thing]

That tweet was before the trade.

Oh. Next Big Thing, you fuck. What are you trying to do here? Trouble making internet rascal.

That's why it clearly says "Posted Tuesday 20th March 2012" in that post.

The fact that he tweeted that in response to the rumors that the Jets were interested in Tebow still says something about locker room synergy and what it's going to be like when Tebow gets there. Cromartie's feelings aren't any different today than they were yesterday. Guys just won't be so public about bashing him now that he's on the team. The resentment and doubting of Tebow will still be there.

[RoXer]

Maybe it says more to the fact that he stands behind his QB who has been getting blasted by the media.

[Next Big Thing]

Maybe it says more to the fact that he stands behind his QB who has been getting blasted by the media.

Except he didn't say anything about supporting Mark Sanchez as the starting quarterback. He didn't mention Sanchez at all.

It was more a direct shot at Tebow since he talked about how they sell out all their home games already (a shot at Tebow's popularity and the fans he will bring with him since the experts discuss ticket sales as a part of his appeal) and how their second stringers can run their wildcat offense (another shot at Tebow considering the fact that one of the reasons why the experts said the Jets would do that deal is so they could put him in Sparano's wildcat).

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL a Jets fan just tried to say that the Tebow trade was done for legitimate football reasons. Francesa just laughed at him and disconnected him before he could finish his thought.</font>

[RoXer]

Antonio Cromartie (@ACromartie (http://twitter.com/ACromartie))

Posted Tuesday 20th March 2012 from TweetCaster (http://www.twitlonger.com/apps/tweetcaster)
(In reply to TheJetsStream (http://www.twitter.com/TheJetsStream/status/182233444498153472))

@TheJetsStream (http://twitter.com/TheJetsStream) I don't know y. We have @Mark_Sanchez (http://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez) and jus signed Drew. Mark has taken us to 2 AFC championship game. We need to build on the team we have now.


http://img.tweetimag.es/i/ACromartie_b Antonio Cromartie (@ACromartie (http://twitter.com/ACromartie))
Posted Wednesday 21st March 2012 from TweetCaster (http://www.twitlonger.com/apps/tweetcaster)
Look everyone is mad about what I said but u will b okay. I have faith in the guys that we have in the locker room right now that I will get it done this year.
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1483507778/image_normal.jpg Antonio Cromartie ‏ <s>@</s>ACromartie (https://twitter.com/#%21/ACromartie)


Y bring Tebow in when we need to bring in more Weapons for <s>@</s>Mark_Sanchez (https://twitter.com/#%21/Mark_Sanchez) let's build the team around him. We already signed to 3 year ext.



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Those are quite obviously not as much anti-Tebow as they are pro-Sanchez. By making these public statements he is clearly putting faith in the team's QB that has been lambasted in the media.

[Crimson]

Jets back to being a laughing stock coming soon. Denver must be so relieved, they can just easily draft a backup now in a low round or sign someone.

[Ermaximus]

Can never take the Jets seriously ever again now.

[Krimzon7]

He's been to 2 SuperBowls, won 1 SuperBowl, and been in handful of AFC Championship games. It takes more than a QB to win in the playoffs, so to just blow off what Peyton has done because they didn't win the SuperBowl every year is fucking absurd.

He's won 1 Super Bowl. In the other Super Bowl, Peyton Threw an interception that cost his team the game. In the handful of AFC Championships, he's had a handful of games where he threw multiple Interceptions and cost his team any chance of victory. It's absurd for you or anyone else to make Peyton Manning out to be some Championship winning Messiah. He's simply a great REGULAR SEASON QUARTERBACK. There's no shame in that.

[Crimson]

So let the Mark Sanchez meltdown clock begin. Over/under in what week will he get benched??

I'll say 10th week

[Ermaximus]

I'm gonna say week 3.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>In other news, the Madden 13 cover voting has begun, NCAA tourney-style. The idea was to have all 32 teams represented, however there is now no Rams rep (Brandon Lloyd to the Pats) or Broncos rep (Tebow to the Jets).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/madden2013cover

Cruz will easily get past the first round, but I feel compelled to vote against him. :o Damn Madden Curse.</font>

[Crimson]

Totally voting for any Giant

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Really with the NY vote I can easily see it coming down to Cruz vs. Tebow in the Final 4. Gonna have to take the chalk with Newton and Rodgers also making it to the Final 4.</font>

[Innovator]

Francesa is going to have a heart attack today.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OMG did you guys hear the news?

Sean Payton and Gregg Williams suspended a long ass time.
Saints lose some draft picks.
Tim Tebow traded to the Jets.


What do you guys think about this crazy day of football?

[Blakeamus]

Fuck Roger Goodell....that is what I think.

[Blakeamus]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523127_10150628634217987_85073967986_9321034_2137565094_n.jpg

[Crimson]

Why isnt Eli on the bracket for the Madden cover??? :mad:

[Hanso Amore]

He's won 1 Super Bowl. In the other Super Bowl, Peyton Threw an interception that cost his team the game. In the handful of AFC Championships, he's had a handful of games where he threw multiple Interceptions and cost his team any chance of victory. It's absurd for you or anyone else to make Peyton Manning out to be some Championship winning Messiah. He's simply a great REGULAR SEASON QUARTERBACK. There's no shame in that.

OMG - STFU - QFT insert others.

Great QBs are Great QBs. Stop trying to split hairs. Fuck.

[OssMan]

In other news, the Madden 13 cover voting has begun, NCAA tourney-style. The idea was to have all 32 teams represented, however there is now no Rams rep (Brandon Lloyd to the Pats) or Broncos rep (Tebow to the Jets).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/madden2013cover

Cruz will easily get past the first round, but I feel compelled to vote against him. :o Damn Madden Curse.
Really wish that people would understand the power they have and all vote for the least significant player, like Joe Haden or Brandon Lloyd.

[OssMan]

actually janikowski would be hilarious

[Droford]

Ray Rice is doomed in a good way...in the next matchup its Drew Brees..not even a chance...and then Aaron Rodgers if somehow a miracle happens. No Madden cover for Ray Rice makes me happy lol.

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/rMaWJ.gif

[Droford]

Of course, it could be like last year where people vote against their favorite players to keep them off the cover..hmm

[Droford]

Tebow on the cover would make perfect sense..he's not even gonna be the starter, so any "curse" on him would be probably limited.

Plus if he did suffer the curse, then we know John Madden > God

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/oUvIg.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/14456.png&w=350&h=254

THE WEBER ERA BEGINS

[Innovator]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.


Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter Close
(2) If the Tebow trade to Jets falls apart, St. Louis could wind up getting back into play. Sides sorting through details.

[D Mac]

And, the Chiefs are doing nothing. :mad:

[CSL]

would like to see the Broncos make another big splash and go after Jim Sorgi and/or Curtis Painter

[James Steele]

Roger Goodell is such a twat. He is trying to big dick his way again, and he continues to bastardize football. Football is a violent game. How long until they start fining/suspending coaches for encouraging players to "whoop their ass" or some other "overly aggressive" encouragement that could lead to a threat to "player welfare or safety". I was watching some clips on ESPN.com and Mort brought up a good point about how the sudden emphasis on player safety and stuff might have more to do with the league wanting an 18-game regular season moreso than actually giving a fuck about the players well being.

[Next Big Thing]

That sounds like more smoke and mirrors "I'm an expert" bullshit from Mort in my opinion. The current CBA is in effect for the next 10 years. The NFLPA would have to also agree to an 18 game schedule and the players aren't going for it.

I think it's got more to do with the lawsuit former players are putting together, especially since media jackasses like Skip Bayless kept replaying the Saints games against Favre and Warner and trying to imply that the hits they took were bounty motivated and hastened the end of their careers.

I wonder if Payton's suspension is more because he apparently lied and tried to cover it up and less about the actual bounty program? If he was honest about its existence and his knowledge of it, 1 year would be ridiculous.

[Blakeamus]

Fuck Roger Goodell....that is what I think.

A year suspension for a head coach? But when you have a dirty player like SUH in Detroit, doing the acts he did in CLEAR DAYLIGHT, disobeying the leagues rules, especially after you sit down with Goodell, you give him a couple games suspension and a slap on the wrist. Fuck that!

[James Steele]

Rams have got to fire Williams at this point. You can't keep a DC on payroll if you don't think he'll be on the sideline in 2 years.

[MVP]

I thought the punishment fit the crime. I'd just resign if I were Greg Williams.

[CSL]

A year suspension for a head coach? But when you have a dirty player like SUH in Detroit, doing the acts he did in CLEAR DAYLIGHT, disobeying the leagues rules, especially after you sit down with Goodell, you give him a couple games suspension and a slap on the wrist. Fuck that!

not at all the same thing

[Blakeamus]

I think it's got more to do with the lawsuit former players are putting together, especially since media jackasses like Skip Bayless kept replaying the Saints games against Favre and Warner and trying to imply that the hits they took were bounty motivated and hastened the end of their careers.


Fuck Skip Bayless! He's a fucking bandwagoner!

[Blakeamus]

not at all the same thing

Okay...I stand corrected. But what about Spygate? CHEATING the system? Did Bill get a ridiculous suspension for that?

[James Steele]

If it were the Patriots who did this, they'd have been heavily fined and all evidence would be destroyed.

[CSL]

Okay...I stand corrected. But what about Spygate? CHEATING the system? Did Bill get a ridiculous suspension for that?

cheating with a camera...offering money for injuring peers and potentially damaging their long-term personal health and livelihoods

[Blakeamus]

Goodell just wanted to make an example, I can understand he wanted to keep his ego in check. From him trying to make claims to "Who Dat?" to this crap...I really dislike the guy for making a decision like that. 4 to 6 game suspension, I would understand. But a year? Fuck that!

[Blakeamus]

cheating with a camera...offering money for injuring peers and potentially damaging their long-term personal health and livelihoods

Isn't that the nature of the game? They are getting paid regardless.

[Blakeamus]

I can see we got some Skip Bayless type people in here.

[CSL]

Isn't that the nature of the game? They are getting paid regardless.

no, the nature of the game is not to collect bounties on top of a paycheck for intentionally trying to injure other professionals

[Triple Naitch]

The Law Firm is headed to the Bengals.

[Next Big Thing]

Isn't that the nature of the game? They are getting paid regardless.

That's probably what makes it that much more suspect. I believe it would be different if you were talking about a group of defensive backs getting together and having a pool for who gets the most interceptions or linebackers having their own pool for who gets the most sacks or tackles.

Instead, you had a coach promoting a system where players were awarded for "knockouts" and "cart-offs" with "knockouts" being worth more than "cart-offs." It implies something a bit more sinister that goes beyond the nature of the game.

I also think Payton got it worse because apparently the Saints were warned, he allowed it to continue and lied to the commissioner's office about it.

[Hanso Amore]

Mark Andersen to the bills. Man, they are not lying when they said they decided to improve the pass rush.

[Triple Naitch]

Noted Twitter presence and NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp (@QBKILLA (https://twitter.com/#%21/qbkilla)) tweeted earlier that he knows who snitched on the Saints defense's bounty program (http://deadspin.com/scrutiny-of-the-bounty/). Just Heard Who The Snitch Was
— Warren Sapp (@QBKILLA) March 21, 2012 (https://twitter.com/QBKILLA/status/182543871438364672)
Someone replied, "Shockey...?" And QBKILLA replied "BINGO!" Shockey played for the Saints from 2008-2010. They released him before the 2011 season, dumping money that would have come his way (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/18604/why-the-saints-released-jeremy-shockey). He's conceivably the snitch.
Yes, CBS's Mike Freeman says that Shockey is not the snitch (https://twitter.com/#%21/realfreemancbs/status/182549760270532608), but, then again, Freeman doesn't say who the snitch is, and he wouldn't be in a position to know conclusively who the snitch isn't unless he knows who the snitch is.
Alas, we're then back in a position where we're stuck trusting Warren Sapp's sources. God have mercy on us all.
UPDATE (4:05 p.m.): @JeremyShockey (https://twitter.com/#%21/JeremyShockey) has Twitter words for QBKILLA:
@JLawMiamiDoll (https://twitter.com/JLawMiamiDoll) thx fuck them!! Sapp and a know where to find me
— Jeremy Shockey (@JeremyShockey) March 21, 2012 (https://twitter.com/JeremyShockey/status/182557073731633152)
@QBKILLA (https://twitter.com/QBKILLA) really?? Wow did I also have something to do with the um scandal?
— Jeremy Shockey (@JeremyShockey) March 21, 2012 (https://twitter.com/JeremyShockey/status/182555536070422528)

[Droford]

The Law Firm is headed to the Bengals.
lol, he won't do anything in the AFC North. Never carried the ball more than like 200 times a season..who cares if he's never fumbled?

I was worried they'd get Micheal Bush who's a way bigger threat..

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I kind of find it hard to trust information about bounties by a guy who has a twitter handle called "QBKilla."

Nooooooooooooo!! BenJarvus Green-Ellis. :( I liked him. I wish him well with the Bengals.

[MVP]

Seems like a real dick move on the part of Warren Sapp.

[Krimzon7]

OMG - STFU - QFT insert others.

Great QBs are Great QBs. Stop trying to split hairs. Fuck.


U mad? What's wrong with you? Is it illegal to have a different fucking opinion than you? There is a difference between winning in the regular season and winning in the playoffs. Don't belittle that point just because PM doesn't live up to that standard. Denver brought him in to win Super Bowls, right? His body of work has proven that they would've been better served looking elsewhere.

[Hanso Amore]

I kind of find it hard to trust information about bounties by a guy who has a twitter handle called "QBKilla."

Nooooooooooooo Benjarvus Green Ellis!!

When that guy is a Former All Pro that still covers the sport for networks, then I think it is an ok handle to trust.

[Droford]

Warren Sapp should go back to judging BBQ reality shows.

http://rocknrollghost.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/21462_Alexius_9545.jpg

[Hanso Amore]

U mad? What's wrong with you? Is it illegal to have a different fucking opinion than you? There is a difference between winning in the regular season and winning in the playoffs. Don't belittle that point just because PM doesn't live up to that standard. Denver brought him in to win Super Bowls, right? His body of work has proven that they would've been better served looking elsewhere.

How many QBs have won Superbowls? How many havent. Its 50 to 1. What the shit are you going on about "look elsewhere". There is like 5 active qbs that have won a super bowl and Peyton is one of them. How would looking elsewhere ever give them a better chance.

Its not wrong to have a different opinion, but when they are as illogical as yours then that is the problem. You are just trying to cherry pick stats to downgrade Manning due to some random issue you have with him.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

When that guy is a Former All Pro that still covers the sport for networks, then I think it is an ok handle to trust.

It's still an inappropriate twitter handle for somebody who works for the NFL.

[Droford]

Tebow to the Jets in trouble, might go to the Jaguars.

That would be hillarious on a couple levels.

Colts dump Peyton manning, he goes to Denver, Tebow goes to Jacksonville and haunts the Colts for the next 10 years even after Manning is in the Hall of Fame lol.

[Krimzon7]

I kind of find it hard to trust information about bounties by a guy who has a twitter handle called "QBKilla."

Nooooooooooooo!! BenJarvus Green-Ellis. :( I liked him. I wish him well with the Bengals.

Damn, add him to a backfield that includes Brian Leonard and Bernard Scott...I'm sure there's a plan here(hopefully it includes getting a workhorse)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Haunts must mean gives Colts 2 guaranteed victories by being a piss-poor passer Dro?

I really hope it's the Jets. Pats beating down that overrated Holier than thou Jesus freak twice a year would be sweet. It was pretty fun this year.

[Droford]

Haunts must mean gives Colts 2 guaranteed victories by being a piss-poor passer Dro?

I really hope it's the Jets. Pats beating down that overrated Holier than thou Jesus freak twice a year would be sweet. It was pretty fun this year.

I find it hard to believe that you don't think he could become a better passer over a couple of years..the key to what I said is in the longer term.

[FearedSanctity]

Don't bother, Dro. We all know QBs learn and develop over time, but when it comes to Tebow everyone says that he can never get better ever. What he is now is what he will be for the rest of his career

[Evil Vito]

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/s_payton_120316_CP.jpg

[ClockShot]

A hang-up in the Tebow trade? Say it ain't so?


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By the way, Francesca was must see TV this afternoon.

[Blakeamus]

I don't want to be looked at as a dick about this. I guess it's just a way of me defending a team I always was a fan of.

[Blakeamus]

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/s_payton_120316_CP.jpg

Oh please.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Jets if they get Tebow because then the whole debate of Sanchez vs Tebow is going to be a lot worse than it was in Denver and :lol: if the deal is dead because the Jets forgot to read.

$5 million ends up being the snag and its due to the Jets just agreeing to the deal without actually reading the trade contract. They thought they would just get Tebow (and a pick) while just giving up 2 picks but instead they also have to pay cash to Denver.

According to ESPN, the Rams are the front runners to get Tebow and already have a trade deal in place if the Jets deal is voided.

[ClockShot]

Jags should get in on this too. Now or never for that team/town.

No offense, Ermax.

[FearedSanctity]

Jags won't seriously contend for Tebow because they WANT to move. If they get him they probably save their future in Jacksonville

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/9BaY6.png

[DaveBrawl]

Nooooooooooooo!! BenJarvus Green-Ellis. :( I liked him. I wish him well with the Bengals.

But he doesn't play for the Patriots anymore you have to wish bad upon him you said so yourself.

[FearedSanctity]

WAIT, WHAT?!

Vic Lombardi ‏ @VicLombardi
I have a question to ask Jake Plummer on our show Monday night that may blow up the internet.

Vic Lombardi ‏ @VicLombardi
RT @JDForrer: Plummer should back up Manning!---->i'm hearing things. unsubstantiated. let him address it monday.

Vic Lombardi ‏ @VicLombardi
Easy. He hasn't played in five years. Highly doubtful. I just want to hear him say it.

Vic Lombardi ‏ @VicLombardi
RT @davehedin: He should be in shape from all the handball he's been playing!----would need to gain 30 pounds. He's 37. I'd be shell-shocked

[Skippord]

that would be pretty rad honestly

love Jake

[FearedSanctity]

The Forehead and The Beard.

Miss Jake so much

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

But he doesn't play for the Patriots anymore you have to wish bad upon him you said so yourself.

Ok Mr. Hold me accountable for what i say. I wish bad will on BenJarvus Green Ellis and the Bengals. Sorry Krimzon Dave refused to let me throw your team a bone of good will. Blame him not me :D

[DaveBrawl]

If my team gets no good will, no ones does. I should try to adopt the same attitude most people in here seem to have, although I don't really have the ability to be as condescending and arrogant as some.

[DaveBrawl]

The Forehead and The Beard.

Miss Jake so much

Me too.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I looked back at what I originally said and I clearly said that I wished bad will on all teams, NOT players. So, I take back the bad will I wished on the Lawfirm.

[DaveBrawl]

Well he plays for a team other than the Patriots therefore something bad happening to him would qualify as bad for the Bengals.

[FearedSanctity]

Supreme, what can you tell me about Andre Caldwell? Broncos just signed him apparently

[Skippord]

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Tim Tebow is being allowed to pick the team he wants to go to. He picks the trade. Jets or Jacksonville.


pretty classy of the Broncos

[FearedSanctity]

After they had originally just dumped him off in NY, yeah

[Skippord]

that totally never happened

[FearedSanctity]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

Denver says it will do the trade that is best for its franchise. Jets or Jags.

That sounds more like it

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

So, Sean Payton is gone for a year. I guess that torn ALC was karma for all the people carted off the field under his watch.

[FearedSanctity]

lol and Tebow is a Jet again, per Schefter

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

This will be great drama with Rex Ryan and his swearing and Tebow the born again Christian.

I'm excited.

[FearedSanctity]

People keep mentioning that without realizing John Fox is almost as bad.

Oh, and don't forget Josh McDaniels

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's because he got the extra national attention from that HBO show. Plus it's New York (well.. New Jersey.)

[Skippord]

also pretty sure Tim Tebow is just a born christian

[weather vane]

Fuck I hate the Jets. Now I hate Tebow.

[Skippord]

don't be that guy Spilly

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Obviously we now wait the inevitable music parody "Timmy and the Jets." I'm guessing it'll be on Sports Radio across the nation tomorrow.

[Skippord]

according to twitter people he did choose the Jets and it was because he was offered the chance to start

[Triple A]

I like it I think

[Gonzo]

I don't understand the Jets motivations if this is a football move.

Really seems like the organization has the worst little brother syndrome ever.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How does "Hey New York shake it loose. The spotlight is hitting something 30 yards out of bounds" sound?

[Droford]

according to twitter people he did choose the Jets and it was because he was offered the chance to start

Do the Jets trade Mark Sanchez now?

dominoes are fun

[Innovator]

Rex is happier than a pig in shit

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17h593vl0wtxejpg/original.jpg

LOOK AT DEM

[Emperor Smeat]

according to twitter people he did choose the Jets and it was because he was offered the chance to start

:lol: makes the extension the Jets gave to Sanchez even worse now considering they tried to reassure him the team has complete faith in him as a starter. Then again they also gave an extension to Holmes after he publicly trashed Sanchez so its not like the team has any real idea of what to do in regards to Sanchez.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I thought he was a footie.

[Next Big Thing]

Tim Tebow did hire the William Morris Agency last month to represent him in his off the field endeavors like speaking engagements, book signings, t.v. appearances, movies, etc...
I wonder if that had any influence on him ultimately choosing the Jets.

Either way, this move to New York is going to make Tim Tebow's life story the greatest Disney movie ever or will end with him being booed out of town mercilessly. I don't think there will be a happy medium.

[Droford]

"..in 2012, the denver Broncos traded Tebow to the New York Jets where he never started another game at QB in his career. He went on to..."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

"Die for our sins"

Had to do it. It was too tempting :D.

[Next Big Thing]

"Die for our sins"

Had to do it. It was too tempting :D.

Well played. The world is supposed to end this year. Maybe Tebow to New York will mark the beginning of the Rapture.

[Skippord]

I hate the Jets, but I love Tim Tebow, how do I work this?

[FearedSanctity]

Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob

**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: Mike Wallace discussing contract with 3teams (Bengals & Patriots - Serious talks with both) Broncos jumped in

[Team Sheep]

If Rex gets the defence up and running again consistently then I can see this working. If they go with a Sanchez and Tebow partnership, which is what it looks like, then I can see them confusing the hell out of other teams, as Sanchez is fantastic with play action, and we've all seen what Tebow's capable of in the shotgun. I'm not saying they'll put up a lot of points necessarily, but they'll definitely keep drives alive, which is what the Jets need to thrive. With a full off season this year they can get back to putting in some complicated plays/schemes and get the Jets back on track. The lockout fucked them up and they dealt with it poorly.

[Droford]

Incarcerated Bob ‏ @incarceratedbob

**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: Mike Wallace discussing contract with 3teams (Bengals & Patriots - Serious talks with both) Broncos jumped in

The Patriots and CBS are really close..

:shifty:

[#1-norm-fan]

Denver started last season with Orton, Tebow and Quinn. They went to the playoffs and even won a game. All three QBs are now on different teams. Seems like that's gonna be a first.

[Droford]

This may be difficult to digest given Peyton Manning's highly publicized neck injury, but the Broncos believe he may be less of a health risk as an every-down quarterback than Tim Tebow.
It was Tebow's rib and sternum injuries suffered during the Broncos' 45-10 playoff loss at New England in mid-January that convinced management to rethink its quarterback position, according to NFL sources. The result was the Broncos' pursuit of Manning, the acclaimed free-agent quarterback, who despite missing all of last season with a neck injury was signed Tuesday to a five-year, $96 million contract. On Wednesday, the Broncos traded Tebow to the New York Jets.injuries..yeah..thats the ticket...oh wait..

[#1-norm-fan]

Why is that weird? Manning was one of the most durable QBs in NFL history for years. He had one neck injury. If they think he's all healed, I don't see what's so crazy about them thinking he's less of a health risk than a running QB who suffered multiple injuries in his last game during his first year as a starter.

[Next Big Thing]

I don't think Peyton takes one hard hit this year, even if the defender has the clear. Peyton is one of the golden boys of NFL QBs and after "Bountygate" and all the fines handed out for hard hits last year, I don't think any player is going to want to risk their job on a hard sack to Manning.

[CSL]

he's definitely getting hit

[Innovator]

http://c0014234.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_b9bd694

Welcome to New York

[Next Big Thing]

Stephen A. Smith is going nuts. I love that dude.

Madden 2013 is going to be the biggest selling one yet.

[ClockShot]

The Jets new backup QB Drew Stanton, who signed a deal last friday, already wants out. He asked to be traded or released.

He was promised the #2 job when he signed and he turned down better deals with the Bucs and Chefs to play for the Jets.

[Ermaximus]

QB troubles in New York? Say it ain't so!

[ClockShot]

15 minutes into the program and Francesa is already going bonkers.

[Nark Order]

Tebow not going to the Jags makes little to no sense to me.

[CSL]

especially as they apparently offered to pay $3m compared to the $2.5m the Jets paid on the contract bonus

[Blakeamus]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2007-11-26-nfl-ruling_N.htm :|

[FearedSanctity]

I don't think Peyton takes one hard hit this year, even if the defender has the clear. Peyton is one of the golden boys of NFL QBs and after "Bountygate" and all the fines handed out for hard hits last year, I don't think any player is going to want to risk their job on a hard sack to Manning.

Unless Denver gets a serious upgrade at Center and maybe both Guards, it's going to happen. Tebow did make the line look bad sometimes by holding the ball too long, but his ability to run usually hid the fact that anytime there's a blitz up the middle Walton and Beadles can't stop shit. Peyton doesn't have that mobility and he's going to get hit. A lot.

[FearedSanctity]

Tebow not going to the Jags makes little to no sense to me.

Jacksonville said he'd be 3rd string and work special teams. Jets told him he'd be 3rd string, would be competing to move up and would give him his own package on offense. And they're not Jacksonville. Easy choice.

[Droford]

I don't think Peyton takes one hard hit this year, even if the defender has the clear. Peyton is one of the golden boys of NFL QBs and after "Bountygate" and all the fines handed out for hard hits last year, I don't think any player is going to want to risk their job on a hard sack to Manning.

If players on defense play too scared to hit the other teams QB, no matter who it is, then they've already lost.

[Droford]

No Broncos fan hated the Manning deal more than this guy:


A Denver Broncos fan died on Monday, before he had to see his beloved team sign one of his least favorite players.
According to his obituary (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/mar/21/jim-driver-1933-2012/?obituaries) in the Columbia Daily Tribune, 78-year-old Jim Driver "wanted out" before he had to see Peyton Manning don a Broncos jersey. This is the lead paragraph from that obit:
James H. "Jim" Driver, 78, of Eagle, Colo., formerly of Columbia, passed away Monday, March 19, 2012, at South Hampton Place in Columbia after a brief illness. An avid Broncos fan, he abhorred Manning and evidently wanted out before a deal was done.

[Ermaximus]

It really sucks being the only Jags fan on this site.

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like the Bears might be having an issue with their RBs as the team gets Micheal Bush and it ended up upsetting Forte.

He's upset that the team doesn't want to commit to a new deal with him and instead keep going out and getting more RBs either to replace Forte or pressure him into accepting a worse deal.

[Droford]

It really sucks being the only Jags fan on this site.

oh yes, poor jaguar fan.

[ClockShot]

Senator Dick Durbin out of Illinois is setting up a Judiciary Committee about the Saints' bounty program. He wants guys from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and NCAA there.

I'll give C-SPAN a few hours of my time for that.

[Nark Order]

Droford, explain yourself.

[Ermaximus]

Totally buying this before the season starts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/storenvy/product_photos/468575/blaine_white_tee_large.jpg

[Tom Guycott]

Could someone help me understand:

a) Knowing your team of *professionals* tried to dish out career/health threatening injuries for extra money = year suspension. Also, people saying this is "too severe" of a punishment, as he's being made an example of in light of all the concussion talk.

b) Knowing your team of *students* gave out worn jerseys for extra tattoos = loss of job. Also, people saying the punishment was not severe enough and the school should suffer the "death penalty", thus losing the ability to even have a football team because of it.

I know the leagues are different, but something has to be said for our sports culture when college kids doing something stupid for money or benefits is seen worse than people who are supposed to be pros getting extra cash to try and hospitalize another man.

[RP]

Senator Dick Durbin out of Illinois is setting up a Judiciary Committee about the Saints' bounty program. He wants guys from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and NCAA there.

I'll give C-SPAN a few hours of my time for that.

Good to see Dick using his powers on important things.

[owenbrown]

Yeah fuck trying to stop rising gas prices, let's worry about bounties on overpaid athletes. Good to know my tax dollars are going to good use :y:

[James Steele]

Yeah fuck trying to stop rising gas prices, let's worry about bounties on overpaid athletes. Good to know my tax dollars are going to good use :y:

I don't believe pro athletes are overpaid. If you consider how much money they make for their team, league, and companies they get pretty fair payment. Remember, for every $10,000,000 contract there is a guy making a 10th of that or less depending on sport.

[Innovator]

Could someone help me understand:

a) Knowing your team of *professionals* tried to dish out career/health threatening injuries for extra money = year suspension. Also, people saying this is "too severe" of a punishment, as he's being made an example of in light of all the concussion talk.

b) Knowing your team of *students* gave out worn jerseys for extra tattoos = loss of job. Also, people saying the punishment was not severe enough and the school should suffer the "death penalty", thus losing the ability to even have a football team because of it.

I know the leagues are different, but something has to be said for our sports culture when college kids doing something stupid for money or benefits is seen worse than people who are supposed to be pros getting extra cash to try and hospitalize another man.
The deal with the Saints is more about them blatantly lying to the NFL about stopping the bounty system.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tebow trade hit another snag but expected to be cleared by Saturday.

Tracy Porter signs with the Broncos while Jeff Saturday signs with the Packers.

[SammyG]

lol Packers lose their Pro Bowl center to us and replace him with Saturday. Damn.

[Next Big Thing]

Marion Barber retires at 28. Damn. It really does seem like running backs don't play past 32 anymore in this league.

[Ermaximus]

The average career for RB's is only around 8-9 seasons anyway. You have to figure that's a lot of wear and tear on these guys. Still odd though considering the NFL is a passing leauge now.

Guess that means MJD has 1 or 2 more years left in him. :'(

[Next Big Thing]

That's so true. I guess I just never really paid attention to it. It feels like guys like LT, Brandon Jacobs, etc... have been playing for awhile, but when you look at the numbers, they all seem to peak around age 28 or 29.

It makes it easier to understand why a guy like Forte is pissed about getting the franchise tag. Backs really only have one shot at the big money contract. Seems like such a small window for a key position.

[Ermaximus]

Arian Foster might be the lone exception there. That guy is just that damned good.

[Next Big Thing]

I hope so, but LT was a beast at that point in his career too.

I really Foster as a player and person though. Met him randomly at a restaurant in Atlanta last year. Nice dude. Not stuck up or anything.

[Emperor Smeat]

The average career for RB's is only around 8-9 seasons anyway. You have to figure that's a lot of wear and tear on these guys. Still odd though considering the NFL is a passing leauge now.

Guess that means MJD has 1 or 2 more years left in him. :'(

If you break it down even further, only 3 to maybe 4 years would be considered their prime earning years which is why a majority of startng RBs try to get that mega deal as early as possible into their career.


Forgot to add a little tidbit of news with the earlier post but according to today's Mike and Mike in the Morning's show, the number of players to get suspended and/or fined from Bounty-gate could reach the 40s to 50s range. NFL is allowing the NFLPA to review the players in question and help out in determining the level of punishment needed.

[Gonzo]

Yeah fuck trying to stop rising gas prices, let's worry about bounties on overpaid athletes. Good to know my tax dollars are going to good use :y:

If you think they're overpaid stop watching the games, buying merchandise, or buying tickets. Maybe you don't do all of those things but they wouldn't be paid that much if the market didn't demand it.

[Triple Naitch]

The only investment owenbrown puts in football is hating on Tim Tebow.

[Next Big Thing]

If you break it down even further, only 3 to maybe 4 years would be considered their prime earning years which is why a majority of startng RBs try to get that mega deal as early as possible into their career.
Yeah that sucks. Especially since rookie contracts are less now under the new CBA and if a good back holds out in year 4 or 5 of his deal he'll be made to look like a bad guy. Plus, even after that contract expires the team can just put a franchise tag on him for the next 3 seasons. By the time he's an unrestricted free agent, he's been used up.

Forgot to add a little tidbit of news with the earlier post but according to today's Mike and Mike in the Morning's show, the number of players to get suspended and/or fined from Bounty-gate could reach the 40s to 50s range. NFL is allowing the NFLPA to review the players in question and help out in determining the level of punishment needed.

I wonder what "expert" came up with those figures. Not digging at you Smelly, it's just over these past couple of weeks it's been glaringly obvious that these guys don't know any more than we do about what's going on in the NFL. I only trust IncarceratedBob now.

They'll probably suspend guys like Vilma who were clearly the ringleaders, but if that many players were suspended it would create huge headaches. Like, it wouldn't necessarily be justice if current players like Scott Fujita were fined or suspended but then you have a potential hall of famer like Darren Sharper escaping punishment because he's retired. What do you do, add a year on the amount of time that must pass before Sharper is eligible?

Are players who weren't on the team the last two seasons going to be suspended for their participation three years ago before Saints officials were warned or lied to the NFL? What about teams like the Broncos who sign free agents from that team like Tracy Porter. If Porter gets suspended for half a year, would the Broncos be able to get out of that deal?

I just think it would be really hard to custom tailor punishment for 50 guys and still make it fair across the board. I believe punishing the coaches and the known organizers on the players side will probably be enough. I doubt anyone who ever played a down on that defense during that time will get served.

[ClockShot]

Jets send Drew Stanton and a 7th to the Colts for a 6th.

[#1-norm-fan]

Marion the Barbarian. We hardly knew ye. :(

[Gonzo]

Always admired him. Hated when the Giants had to play against him in his early years.

[Next Big Thing]

If Dick Durbin has this judicial hearing and calls Greg Williams to testify, won't they make him document every bounty system he ever implemented? Won't that drag the Redskins into this and make the commissioner have to open them up for review? Shit might hit the fan.

[Tom Guycott]

The deal with the Saints is more about them blatantly lying to the NFL about stopping the bounty system.

Yeah, I get that, but my point was that this is being treated like this is a frivolous and overly punitive punishment for a guy who knew about and lied about stopping an institution that *encourged* people to ignore safety of other players on opposing teams as opposed to knowing and just not telling that some of your players sold some autographs. No steroids, no cheating, no bounty system... just extra benefits for a few student athletes.

You're hearing a lot about how "violence is part of the game... bla bla bla..." and that this isn't as disgusting as it sounds, and that the only reason why Peyton got a year suspension instead of a few games is because of all the concussion heat about in the league right now and someone like a Manning or a Favre being a target for pass rushers looking for bonus dollars. Almost as if the thought is "yeah, it's bad, but it's not THAT bad."

This, as opposed to Tressel possibly knowing and not telling that some of his students traded autographs and clothes and jerseys and shit like that in exchange for getting some ink done and a little cash. People treated that as if Ohio State were the goddamn devil, an unconscinable black eye to the sport, and that just asking for the resignation of the coach and suspending players for games and losing future scholarship spots and vacating wins wasn't nearly enough.

There seems to be an imbalance in that logic - that promoting a system of injuring people for extra cash isn't nearly as bad as turning a blind eye to a couple kids ebaying their signature - and I was merely pointing that out.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah fuck trying to stop rising gas prices, let's worry about bounties on overpaid athletes. Good to know my tax dollars are going to good use :y:

You only come in here to bitch.

[El Fangel]

I swear, I am going to try my hardest to get into football this year. Now that I understand how the game works, learning the players and their roles is the hard part.

Kinda torn though, both reasons I watched the Colts are now gone. :( Still going to support them but really going to hope Peyton does well elsewhere.

[Skippord]

what were your two reasons for rooting for the Colts again?

[El Fangel]

Sanders and Manning. I tend to find a player I like and then cheer for the team they are on. Happened with Hasek in the NHL before he retired. Not likely to happen here as I don't feel the connection I did with Hasek in the way I idolized the man.

[El Fangel]

Going to go get myself educated on the players and the needs and all that jazz.

[Next Big Thing]

You should be a Buffalo Bills fan since they seem all about Canada. They're even playing a game in Toronto.

[Next Big Thing]

Yeah, I get that, but my point was that this is being treated like this is a frivolous and overly punitive punishment for a guy who knew about and lied about stopping an institution that *encourged* people to ignore safety of other players on opposing teams as opposed to knowing and just not telling that some of your players sold some autographs. No steroids, no cheating, no bounty system... just extra benefits for a few student athletes.

You're hearing a lot about how "violence is part of the game... bla bla bla..." and that this isn't as disgusting as it sounds, and that the only reason why Peyton got a year suspension instead of a few games is because of all the concussion heat about in the league right now and someone like a Manning or a Favre being a target for pass rushers looking for bonus dollars. Almost as if the thought is "yeah, it's bad, but it's not THAT bad."


Maybe you've got different sources than me, but based on what I've read and in my humble opinion, I don't think very many people outside of the Saints and a few idiot former players are that opposed to the punishments. Also, most analysts I've heard attribute the severity to the fact that he continued to allow the program to exist and lied to the Commissioner's office moreso than potential player lawsuits or who were targeted.

[Reavant]

I don't believe pro athletes are overpaid. If you consider how much money they make for their team, league, and companies they get pretty fair payment. Remember, for every $10,000,000 contract there is a guy making a 10th of that or less depending on sport.

a tenth of that 10,000,000 is still 100,000 which is under the league minimum i believe... so no, noone should feel sorry for nfl players saying they dont get enough money because if they manage their money right, they will be set for life

[James Steele]

I hear a lot of people complain about how much athletes make, so if you are so opposed to how much they make: don't watch it, don't buy tickets, don't buy clothes, don't do shit, and ask others to do the same. I will say that I have no clue how these MLB teams afford the contracts because only like 8 teams actually put asses in seats.

[DrA]

Where else are they going to make that sort of money though? Even if they made $250,000 a year, that's far more than what most of them could get with their communication or kinesiology degrees. The reason why they pay them so much money is because it adds to the appeal of the sport. It makes the game appear 'larger than life' when you see these physical freaks who make unbelievable amounts of money beat up each other. Without the huge contracts the big sports franchises don't look any better than Major League Soccer or some other second rate organization. All it is is a really ostentatious marketing gimmick.

[James Steele]

Yes, the owners of these teams shell out millons upon millions in contracts just for marketing. That is why they did it from the beginning. :roll:

[DrA]

Then Free Agency came along and they opened up Pandora's Box.

[DrA]

Obviously there's a lot more to it than that, but I do think that's one facet of it which has evolved in the last 20-30 years. I'm talking about in terms of Free Agency more than anything else. Your teams signs someone like Alex Rodriguez or Julius Peppers to an absurd amount of money, which in turn brings a bunch of attention to the team because he appears like a much watch player due to how much money was spent on him.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Saints sign Curtis Lofton to a 5-year deal.</font>

[Reavant]

I hear a lot of people complain about how much athletes make, so if you are so opposed to how much they make: don't watch it, don't buy tickets, don't buy clothes, don't do shit, and ask others to do the same. I will say that I have no clue how these MLB teams afford the contracts because only like 8 teams actually put asses in seats.

yea but the point you were making was that there are a ton of guys making a 10th of these 10,000,000 dollar contracts and made it sound like "poor them" when for most people who are making 100,000 could set themselves for a very long time

[Emperor Smeat]

Pats and Chad Ochocinco's agree on a restructuring deal which saves the team $2 million and keeps Ochocinco on the team for next season.

Similar to when Belichick apologized for spy-gate during the annual owners meeting, Sean Payton is expected to apologized in front of all the owners and provide a lot of information in regards to bounty-gate.

Cowboys and Redskins file grievances against the NFL in regards to salary cap penalties issued to both during last season's uncapped year. Those were the only 2 teams to break the "gentleman's agreement" where no team would go over the expired cap while a new CBA was being worked on.

[James Steele]

yea but the point you were making was that there are a ton of guys making a 10th of these 10,000,000 dollar contracts and made it sound like "poor them" when for most people who are making 100,000 could set themselves for a very long time

Most people have careers that last longer than 5 years.

[FearedSanctity]

http://i.imgur.com/LNTvz.png

[Reavant]

Most people have careers that last longer than 5 years.

hence the responsibility of them to get an education in college... did you seriously use that as a point?

[CSL]

apparently Sean Payton/the Saints have "approached" Bill Parcells about coaching the Saints this season

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably would be easier/cheaper to just promote one of the assistant coaches who already are familiar with the Saints system.

Would be interesting to see what the Saints would do if Parcells managed to have a great season.

[ClockShot]

Probably would be easier/cheaper to just promote one of the assistant coaches who already are familiar with the Saints system.

Would be interesting to see what the Saints would do if Parcells managed to have a great season.

Agreed. The Tuna's been out of the coaching game for quite sometime now. I'd trust him to run my front office, he did make some miracles in Miami before new ownership took over. But not coach my team.

[Nark Order]

Mike Wallace still wants Fitzgerald money. Probably not going to happen.

[Next Big Thing]

I don't get all the Mark Sanchez doubt/ hate. He's gone to two AFC title games and statistically he's improved every year. If you look at Eli's numbers in his first four years in the league and compare to them to Sanchez's, they're very similar . Hell, Eli's statistics were worse than Mark's in the season they won the Super Bowl and he was named game MVP.

He's no Matty Ice, but I think in a couple more years, Sanchez will be a very good QB in this league.

[Droford]

that posts begs me to ask...Mark Sanchez or Joe Flacco?

I consider Flacco to be much better than Sanchez, but of course Im horribly biased...

[screech]

Joe Flacco should be much better than he is. Feel like he has plateaued.

[FearedSanctity]

Dro why are you seemingly on a quest to find a QB the majority of us will pick Flacco over? Is our approval really that necessary for you?

[FearedSanctity]

Also, Sanchez

[Next Big Thing]

I think they're about the same. Sanchez would probably play better in the team environment the Ravens have. Lewis and Suggs do nothing but praise Flacco (like after Ed Reed's comments got blown out of proportion), while Sanchez gets pissed on by anonymous teammates and the Jets bring in arguably the most popular player in the game in Tim Tebow to be his back up.

[CSL]

G-Men/Cowboys season opener

[Gonzo]

I can't wait for that game. Should be awesome.

[#1-norm-fan]

The NFL loves putting Dallas in shitty week 1 situations. Last year was in NY against the Jets on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and now in that dreaded "facing the Super Bowl champions on opening night" spot. Jesus. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Having them open the season in NY like that last year was, I thought, would be the reason why they would end up going with Green Bay.

[Crimson]

We got em kid dont worry. Bounty on Eli's knees so he can be out for the season

[Gonzo]

Eli Manning is an iron man.

[#1-norm-fan]

We got em kid dont worry. Bounty on Eli's knees so he can be out for the season

Shhhhhhh

Ixnay on the ountybay

[#1-norm-fan]

Apparently Denver is a strong possibility for the SNF season opener.

I'm guessing Broncos @ Patriots or Saints @ Broncos. Either one would be money with all the storylines on top of Manning's debut.

[FearedSanctity]

Steelers at Broncos, probably. Get the feeling the NFL will be keeping NO out of the spotlight this year

[#1-norm-fan]

Manning vs Brady has gotta be on SNF. Not sure if they wanna separate it from the opening night spectacle and make it it's own spectacle at some point mid-season or what.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants @ Niners is a lock to be either SNF or MNF at some point during the year I'd think.</font>

[Skippord]

I hate when the Broncos play in primetime games, probably the one thing I don't like about them getting Peyton

[FearedSanctity]

Manning vs Brady has gotta be on SNF. Not sure if they wanna separate it from the opening night spectacle and make it it's own spectacle at some point mid-season or what.

Gotta think they'll save it for later in the season. Can't put all the best games on kickoff weekend, gotta stretch it out for the rest of the season. Otherwise you get Monday night games like Ravens/Jaguars

I hate when the Broncos play in primetime games, probably the one thing I don't like about them getting Peyton

Was gonna happen either way this season with Peyton or Tebow. PRIMETIME BABY

[Ermaximus]

Gotta think they'll save it for later in the season. Can't put all the best games on kickoff weekend, gotta stretch it out for the rest of the season. Otherwise you get Monday night games like Ravens/Jaguars

4th and 43!

[Droford]

lol, thats low.

The Ravens have a bunch of potential primetime games (@Houston/Dalas/NYG/@Philly/Denver/NE/Pittsburgh)

[CSL]

Brandon Jacobs 49ers

[Emperor Smeat]

Rule changes for next season include all turnovers to be reviewable by the booth similar to TD calls. Big reason was the refs having to over turn the calls (52%) than were right (48%) and to save on challenges done by coaches.

Other rules changes: a team will lose a down for illegally kicking a loose ball; too many men on the field becomes a dead ball foul; and a player receiving a crackback block is now considered a defenseless player and will result in a 15-yard penalty.

Not passed were proposals to have the booth official handle video reviews rather than the referee, and outlawing the horse-collar tackle made on quarterbacks in the pocket.

[DrA]

So basically another ten-fifteen minutes of reviews during a game.

[Hanso Amore]

So basically another ten-fifteen minutes of reviews during a game.

Yes but if the Bills proposed rule passes it will save time.

Bills Proposed that the reviews to be done by the MEN UPSTAIRS like in college. Would remove any motivation for Refs to not want to change their own call, and would save time as it would immediately get review upstairs without waiting on refs getting around.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes but if the Bills proposed rule passes it will save time.

Bills Proposed that the reviews to be done by the MEN UPSTAIRS like in college.

Not passed were proposals to have the booth official handle video reviews rather than the referee, and outlawing the horse-collar tackle made on quarterbacks in the pocket.

[Hanso Amore]

COCKSUCKERS

[James Steele]

Wonder why they didn't approve the booth official doing reviews. I think college football has gotten it right with how they do the reviews/challenges.

[DrA]

I think Peyton Manning leaving Indianapolis officially marks the beginning of the end of the New England/Indianapolis/Pittsburgh monopoly that has dominated the AFC for the last decade. I guess you could say it started last year when he was out for the season. Those three teams have gradually become more and more lethargic while the NFC continues to gain talent and energy. I wouldn't be surprised if a team from out of the blue took over the AFC next season, although no one really comes to mind right away.

[DrA]

The problem with the AFC is that there are a bunch of nothing franchises in that conference. The NFC on the whole has a better quality of teams in terms of city population and fan base. I would probably send Chicago or Washington to the AFC, swap them with Cincinnati or Tennessee or some team like that to even things out a bit. It's just difficult to picture Cleveland, Houston, or most of those other mid to lower tier teams in the AFC as ever really being long term powerhouses.

[FearedSanctity]

I think Peyton Manning leaving Indianapolis officially marks the beginning of the end of the New England/Indianapolis/Pittsburgh monopoly that has dominated the AFC for the last decade. I guess you could say it started last year when he was out for the season. Those three teams have gradually become more and more lethargic while the NFC continues to gain talent and energy. I wouldn't be surprised if a team from out of the blue took over the AFC next season, although no one really comes to mind right away.

I think Denver could be poised to become a top team. If Elway can get a couple more good young pieces on defense in the draft (namely a DT and CB) as well as a QB to develop, the Broncos are a young enough team all around to be near or even at the top of the AFC for years. The key will be finding that developmental QB to sit behind Manning and take over 3-5 years from now after he retires. They may not be able to make a real run this year as Peyton comes in and adjusts and gets back in shape, but 2013 may be their best shot