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Kris P Lettus

10-24-2008, 05:26 PM

I post on here to kill time and to entertain myself.. Ignoring someone talking shit accomplishes neither of those..

Posting back to someone who is talking shit isn'y overreacting IMO and is pretty gay to claim otherwise..

:dunno:

SammyG

10-24-2008, 06:42 PM

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07ei4ql5hUcGW/340x.jpg

When we beat you.

Kris P Lettus

10-24-2008, 08:01 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2001/playoffs/news/2000/12/30/rams_saints_ap/t1_jackson_ap-01.jpg

When we beat you in the playoffs..

SammyG

10-24-2008, 09:00 PM

lol what

http://urbansportstalk.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/kim-kardashian-grinding-reggie-bush_1_1.jpg

Kris P Lettus

10-24-2008, 09:04 PM

SammyG, what are you doing??

Or trying to do??

I don't get it..

D Mac

10-25-2008, 02:26 AM

Krispy, I love you but you need a chill pill.

Shadow

10-25-2008, 02:37 AM

Krispy, I love you but Morgan Webb's hot.

I like this game!

Evil Vito

10-25-2008, 09:31 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Titans RB Chris Johnson fined $10K for celebration

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson has been fined $10,000 for his celebration after a 66-yard touchdown run against the Kansas City Chiefs.

The NFL said Thursday Johnson was fined for unsportsmanlike conduct for banging on some drums in the Chiefs’ pep band during Sunday’s 34-10 victory. He was penalized 15 yards at the time.

“I am not happy about it,” Johnson told The Tennessean newspaper. “I knew I was going to get a fine, but I am totally upset about how much. I am going to appeal. There’s no fun in this league. I was trying to have fun and they want to penalize us for having fun.”

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Glad to see more players are getting pissed off at the No Fun League.</font>

Mr. Monday Morning

10-25-2008, 10:37 AM

Gonna grab a Brees jersey tomorrow :cool:

Maybe a couple others, see what the selection is like

10-25-2008, 10:39 AM

Saints love dat juice! WHO DAT!

Innovator

10-25-2008, 10:51 AM

Why the fuck would you need a diuretic as a football player

10-25-2008, 11:09 AM

to mask steroids

10-25-2008, 11:10 AM

Its not suprising to see Duece on the list at all. I doubt was trying to get stronger as much as he was probably trying to heal as fast as he could with all the injuries. Wouldnt you wanna heal faster with Bush and Thomas taking your playing time?

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 11:42 AM

He has a stipulation in his contract that he has to maintain a certain weight..

None of this will come to fruition BTW.. There were like 15 players failed the same test but the two names that were released were both Saints players.. That report itself violated the NFL steroid policy because it threw confidentiality out the window, and cast judgment on them before the appeals process even began..

RP, why would the "mask" a banned substance with another banned substance??

10-25-2008, 11:44 AM

Dunno. Ask Duece.

VonErichLives

10-25-2008, 11:48 AM

Basically what happend to Harrison was that Bellichek, the genius that he is, left Harrison out there in a 35-0 blowout. Even thought he must have known that his secondary is swiss cheese already and they couldnt afford to lose him. Did i mention bellichek is a genius?

at least you finally give Bellicheck the respect he's earned. :p

I feel bad for Rodney, but they aren't really deep back there and you can't pull all your players... shit happens...

what's funny is after the game (I was there) there pro shop had John Lynch Pats jerseys for full price... (after they had cut him pre-season they were discounted).

Krispy, on Brady... no one really knows, him, his doctor and the pats are saying nothing, these are all 2nd and 3rd hand reports... so it's possible he's fine or it's possible the leg was amputated.

the only story going around with a little credit is the Pats are pissed because they wanted him to have surgery here with their doctors but he wanted to be back home for it (closer to his dad? or gisele? dunno) and use a different doctor and if there was a fuck-up the pats are pissed he didn't use their doctor.

Part of me says he'll be fine and back next year, part of me says he has a ton of money, 3 rings, mvp's, etc... and a hot girlfriend... hang it up while you can still walk... you see all these old x-players who say life is a chore from the damage of football.

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 11:51 AM

He is a health nut and would never take anything that jeopardized his career.. I mean, he is a local hero around here and the money he would lose not only form the NFL but from his other local businesses, which have flourished because of how many people love him locally, it would be ridiculous for him to do anything like that..

Sure I am biased cause of how many times I meet him, and being an Ole Miss and Saints fan, but this is like saying the Reggie White beat kittens or something..

I bet he is cleared of all charges..

10-25-2008, 11:54 AM

Yah you're right. NFL are a bunch of liars.

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 11:55 AM

NFL didn't report it..

A Fox affiliate in Denver did..

10-25-2008, 11:56 AM

There is hope, Chris Mortenson is reporting.

U-Warrior

10-25-2008, 11:56 AM

10-25-2008, 11:57 AM

Remeber when Eli Manning was suppose to be out 4-6 weeks with a shoulder injury. Mort sure nailed that one.

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 11:57 AM

He was playing imaginary bongos..

NFL is pretty gay since Goodell came around..

Ninti the Mad

10-25-2008, 02:43 PM

I demand more taunting.

SammyG

10-25-2008, 04:29 PM

NFL is fucking AWESOME since Goodell, IMO Krispy. The league needed a badass commisioner, unlike vanilla Tagliabue.

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 06:56 PM

But fining a guy for playing drums after a TD is retarded..

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 06:58 PM

UmbrellaCorporation

10-25-2008, 07:00 PM

But fining a guy for playing drums after a TD is retarded..

:yes:

So ridiculous.

Kris P Lettus

10-25-2008, 07:18 PM

Great, Charles Grant is now named as one of the other players to test positive..

AWESOME

10-26-2008, 08:30 AM

The Rooney Rule is a joke. If theres a black coach thats good enough to be a coach, he'll get his shot. They dont need to make sure atleast 1 gets interviewed. Thats like a TV show hiring backround people and saying " Hey we gotta atleast get 1 black so people dont think we're racist ". Haslett should be coaching the Rams. If he wins 8 games this year with this team ( and possibly makes the playoffs in that horrible division ), are they really gunna go through the motions and make a mockery out of the interview process just to appease the NFL and there stupid Rooney Rule, knowing that Haslett is already gunna be there guy? Give me a fucking break. Thats a joke. What black coach in the NFL is gunna want to interview for that job knowing they dont have a shot in hell and the only reason they're getting interviewed is so the Rams comply with the Rooney Rule?

ClockShot

10-26-2008, 09:21 AM

Giants/Steelers seems to be the big game on the today. With "Who's the better QB from the '04 draft now that they both got rings" in the fine print.

I'll catch half at work and the rest at home.

Ninti the Mad

10-26-2008, 11:15 AM

49ERS INTERESTED IN CONDOLEEZZA RICE
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 26, 2008, 10:14 a.m. EDT
Bush administration officials will be looking for new jobs soon, and there’s another report out today that one of them could be headed to the NFL.

Adam Schefter reported on NFL Network’s NFL GameDay Morning that the San Francisco 49ers want to talk to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about a high-level position within the organization.

Per Schefter, the 49ers’ ownership believes that Rice would make a great team president and that she would be likely to help them get financing for the new stadium they want.

Rice was already planning to return to the Bay Area when her work in Washington is finished. She previously served as provost at Stanford.

Rice has also been mentioned as a potential candidate to become either the commissioner of the NFL or the head of the players’ union.

wtffffffffffffffffff lol

Evil Vito

10-26-2008, 12:20 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Plaxico Burress is a piece of shit. He's not starting today for violating yet another team rule. Now that he's got his nice big contract he no longer gives a fuck.</font>

Ninti the Mad

10-26-2008, 01:11 PM

Can someone sack Brad Johnson and injure his ass?

I'd prefer Brook Bollinger over this piece of shit.

UmbrellaCorporation

10-26-2008, 01:29 PM

Rice has also been mentioned as a potential candidate to become either the commissioner of the NFL or the head of the players’ union.

LOLWUT?

No...just...no.

I have a friend who's a niners fanatic, and he hates Rice. He'd be majorly pissed.

UmbrellaCorporation

10-26-2008, 01:30 PM

Giants/Steelers seems to be the big game on the today. With "Who's the better QB from the '04 draft now that they both got rings" in the fine print.

I'll catch half at work and the rest at home.

I'm gonna go with Steelers. Not by a blowout, I just tend to like their chances better.

Ninti the Mad

10-26-2008, 01:35 PM

I need the Giants to lose to better the chances of the Boys making the playoffs before we can get our players back from injuries.

D Mac

10-26-2008, 04:04 PM

Yeah Jets got away with interference there. Enjoy your tainted victory. :foc:

Boomer

10-26-2008, 04:06 PM

Falcons just got mad screwed on yet another questionable ref call.

U-Warrior

10-26-2008, 04:16 PM

FUCK!

SammyG

10-26-2008, 04:43 PM

Wow, I don't really ever complain about officiating, but how the Pats can get NO penalties is RIDICULOUS. 0 Penalties? Give me a fucking break, there's like a hold on every play in football basically.

Crimson

10-26-2008, 04:56 PM

Just ask Raider fans

ClockShot

10-26-2008, 05:33 PM

The Bills go down to the Dolphins.........

Who saw that one coming?

Triple A

10-26-2008, 05:33 PM

Wow I feel like if I hear this guy say Mewelde "MOOWER" one more time I am gonna flip out, even if his name is really pronounced like that.

Triple A

10-26-2008, 05:37 PM

He said it literally 8 times since I posted that...

Evil Vito

10-26-2008, 05:48 PM

<font color=goldenrod>This Giants/Steelers game is gonna go right down to the last possession, I can already tell even at halftime. That call on Kenny Phillips was bullshit but at least it didn't hurt in the long run.</font>

Gonzo

10-26-2008, 05:50 PM

That call on Phillips was horse shit.

SammyG

10-26-2008, 05:50 PM

He said it literally 8 times since I posted that...
lol yea

DaveWadding

10-26-2008, 06:13 PM

Derrick Ward turned James Farrior into a hurdle. :eek:

Evil Vito

10-26-2008, 07:34 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck yes.</font> :love:

Mr. Monday Morning

10-26-2008, 07:35 PM

Gonzo

10-26-2008, 07:39 PM

How was the field? Did it rain?

I remember last year it was raining and the pitch wasn't holding up well.

RoXer

10-26-2008, 07:57 PM

the pitch

Field.

You Faggot.

RoXer

10-26-2008, 07:57 PM

Why don't you just marry Britain if you love it so much

Mr. Monday Morning

10-26-2008, 07:59 PM

How was the field? Did it rain?

I remember last year it was raining and the pitch wasn't holding up well.

Rained a fair bit this morning but it cleared up around midday. Turf didn't cut up at all, there were maybe one or two slips the whole game. Seriously if you can check the highlights, if only to see Vincent Jackson's TD catch.

Mr. Monday Morning

10-26-2008, 08:00 PM

Why don't you just marry Britain if you love it so much

Carolina Panthers

RoXer

10-26-2008, 08:02 PM

I was asleep. I missed my NBA draft too.

I'm not looking forward to seeing the highlights. :(

SammyG

10-26-2008, 08:02 PM

Huge game next week, Cards/Rams

McLegend

10-26-2008, 08:11 PM

I'll take that win.

OssMan

10-26-2008, 10:01 PM

Giants game is sick

OssMan

10-26-2008, 10:01 PM

Joe Flacco 43 yard reception

10-26-2008, 10:08 PM

Why is Plaxico being a fucking prick? He's on my fantasy team and he's pissing me off.

SammyG

10-26-2008, 10:22 PM

Picked up Donnie Avery before this week :yes:

Shadow

10-26-2008, 11:38 PM

Win's a win I always say.

But do you have to give the Lions hope?

Nervous Ferret

10-27-2008, 03:13 AM

J E T S

JETS JEST JUST

D Mac

10-27-2008, 03:41 AM

J E T S

JETS JEST JUST

Yeah Jets got away with interference there. Enjoy your tainted victory. :foc:

10-27-2008, 05:16 AM

Comon Diesel Mac does it really matter? The Cheifs arent going anywhere. Why would a bad interference call matter at this point? They should sell wins on Ebay.

Loose Cannon

10-27-2008, 10:03 AM

Coles baby. still, another shitty preformance though. With the way they are playing, no way they get into the playoffs. Good thing the whole league is all over the place this year. there's going to be like 4 playoff spots up for grabs come the last week.

Kris P Lettus

10-27-2008, 01:43 PM

Thats like a TV show hiring backround people and saying " Hey we gotta atleast get 1 black so people dont think we're racist "

Do you think that doesn't happen??

Kris P Lettus

10-27-2008, 01:48 PM

10-27-2008, 01:56 PM

Do you think that doesn't happen??

no, i'm saying it does happen. Its all about the perception that you ( the employer ) are not racist because you interviewed or hired a black person. Its dumb.

Team Sheep

10-27-2008, 04:38 PM

Awesome game at Wembley :cool: Got my Brees jersey. He was pretty spectacular today actually, until you see them in person you (well, me) don't really appreciate what kind of touch and precision these guys put on their passes when it all works. Crazy intricate.

Krispy you'll be pleased to know the crowd was totally behind the Saints when it mattered, even though there were more than a few Chargers fans there. I think SD ended up with like 3-4 false starts and a couple delay of games, so we did our part.

Was gonna get a Favre jersey but be fucked if I was gonna line up in that merchandise tent. The demand for merchandise here is ridiculous!

Awesome game. Had seats right by Jackson's touchdown where he got the knees down. Amazing. Much better atmosphere than last season, the crowd seemed to know when to b loud and to be quiet for the Saints. Drizzled most of the day but was clear come game time so the field was pretty good.

Gotta love that intentional safety by Brees at the end lol.

Took quite a few pics for you Krispy, I'll put them up in the photo album thread sometime soon.

Kris P Lettus

10-27-2008, 06:47 PM

Awesome..

Yeah, the saftey at the end was crazy.. Brees actually should have just ran out of the back of the endzone instead of throwing it, cause it would've run off a few more seconds..

It was a fun game to watch (other than the onsides kick) and I'm glad my team got some international spotlight, even if it took a home game from us..

KingofOldSchool

10-27-2008, 11:20 PM

INT Manning!

HAHAHAHAHAAH

Evil Vito

10-27-2008, 11:24 PM

<font color=goldenrod>fuck you Peyton Manning. Even after Chris Johnson's 80 yard game I was still up by 5 fantasy points......then you throw an INT and Johnson gets an easy score</font> :(

Ninti the Mad

10-27-2008, 11:25 PM

lol

Shadow

10-28-2008, 12:36 AM

Oh boo hoo Colts....you lost to the Titans. GUESS YOU ARE HUMAN AFTER ALL!

D Mac

10-28-2008, 01:13 AM

Titans vs Giants Super Bowl?

DrA

10-28-2008, 01:15 AM

Did anyone see that Kansas City Chiefs game? The Kansas City Chiefs got screwed.

D Mac

10-28-2008, 04:26 AM

Yep

SammyG

10-28-2008, 02:15 PM

lol Rams sending a tape to the NFL Showing them all of the calls that weren't called against the Pats on Sunday. Excellent move. Fuck them. 0 penalties for 0 yards, gtfo with that shit.

ClockShot

10-28-2008, 04:22 PM

Culpepper passed up the Chiefs. He worked out with the Lions today and maybe talking contract.

Mr. Monday Morning

10-28-2008, 05:00 PM

Ted Cottrell got fired by the Chargers, Ron Rivera is the new D-Coordinator

Took them long enough

Heros Welcome

10-28-2008, 05:23 PM

I'll take that screwjob.

Kris P Lettus

10-28-2008, 05:34 PM

lol Rams sending a tape to the NFL Showing them all of the calls that weren't called against the Pats on Sunday. Excellent move. Fuck them. 0 penalties for 0 yards, gtfo with that shit.

Saints did it with so much more class and style..

DAMN iNATOR

10-28-2008, 08:01 PM

Win's a win I always say.

But do you have to give the Lions hope?

I’m calling it now, the Detroit Lions are going 0-16 this season.

Kris P Lettus

10-28-2008, 08:40 PM

McAllister deserves benefit of doubt

By Rick Cleveland
rcleveland@clarionledger.com

One question I often hear is this one: Who among all the famous athletes and coaches you've covered do you respect not only as athletes but also as human beings?
The Mannings - all of them - are always high on my list. Boo Ferriss is at the top. Bailey Howell. Dale Murphy. Walter Payton. Ruthie Bolton. Clarence Weatherspoon. And, without question, Deuce McAllister.
I've dealt with Deuce since his freshman season at Ole Miss. His abilities as a football player are obvious. His tenacity at coming back from so many injuries is admirable. You've read all the stories about his humanitarianism, about all the good deeds he does in this community and others. Trust me, there are so many such deeds that never come to light.
But unless you know him - and deal with him on a personal basis - you cannot really know how gentlemanly and genuinely kind he is. My daddy always had the same description for people with these qualities: "He (or she) was raised right."
So any discussion about the recent news about McAllister must begin with this disclaimer: Not only do I really like him, I respect him.
I am not unbiased, but in this case I'll try to be.

What are StarCaps?

You know the news: McAllister is among several NFL players who have reportedly failed a drug test for banned substances. In Deuce's case, the banned substance - Bumetanide - is a diuretic most often used for weight loss but that can be used to mask the use of steroids.
McAllister reportedly took a diuretic called StarCaps, an over-the-counter diet pill. Google it and you'll find this description: "StarCaps, the natural dietary supplement containing a rare blend of papaya and garlic that help metabolize protein, eliminate bloat and detoxify your system, is the quick, effective way to melt off 10-25 pounds. StarCaps make dieting easy! ... StarCaps are safe and effective."
My general rule of thumb on products like this is simple: Anything that tells you can melt off 10 or 25 pounds quickly is bogus. Believe me, I've needed to melt away 10, 25 or more pounds for most of my life.
What diuretics do is rid your body of fluids, not fat. Drink lots of water - and take a diuretic - you will flush your system quickly. And that's why it helps mask the use of steroids (and other drugs).

Weighty matters

McAllister, as many NFL athletes, has a weight clause in his contract that calls for him to make certain weights at certain times of the year. I am not clear whether he is fined for not making those specified weights or whether he receives bonuses if he does make the weight - or both.
But I do know that Deuce always has had a tendency to get heavier than he needs to be to play running back and I know that his weight has been a major concern of Sean Payton, the Saints' coach, for the past two and a half years.
You will remember that during training camp here in July and August, Payton commented positively on Deuce's weight again and again. You may remember that Drew Brees said that Deuce probably hadn't been so light since high school.
Whether all that is related to his current situation I don't know. The test that he reportedly failed took place several weeks ago, possibly during camp.

Players bear responsibility

Because all this is unresolved, Deuce, as well as the others, is limited in what he can say.
On Sunday, in London, McAllister said he has cooperated fully with the NFL's investigation and that he always has tried to abide by league rules. He also said that "there's more to this story than just a couple of lines."
Insiders tell me that part of Deuce's defense will be that he asked Saints personnel several years ago if StarCaps contained any banned substances and was told that the product does not.
Archie Manning said that players ultimately are responsible for what goes into their bodies. NFL rules, he said, are clear on this.
"I know my sons aren't into steroids because quarterbacks don't want bulk," Manning said. "But they like supplements; heck, I like supplements. My advice to them has been to never take anything - anything! - until they've had it fully checked against the banned substances list.
"My own opinion is that if Deuce was taking anything it was to lose weight, because I know he's always had to fight that weight," Manning continued. "I just hate this for him.
"I'll say this much: Deuce has represented his family, his hometown, the state of Mississippi, Ole Miss and the Saints as well as any player I've ever seen," Manning said. "I'd put him up against anybody in that regard. Deuce always takes care of his business."
But I also know how badly Deuce wanted to come back, how badly he wanted to prove himself again before he retired.
Everyone, Deuce McAllister included, is innocent until proved guilty. And where Deuce is concerned, I believe him.
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ClockShot

10-28-2008, 09:03 PM

Ted Cottrell got fired by the Chargers, Ron Rivera is the new D-Coordinator

Took them long enough

Denver better do the same pretty soon.:yes:

Shadow

10-28-2008, 10:07 PM

I’m calling it now, the Detroit Lions are going 0-16 this season.

Jim Rome can only hope.

DrA

10-28-2008, 10:52 PM

It's probably harder to go 0-16 than it is to go 16-0.

VonErichLives

10-29-2008, 12:34 AM

Archie Manning said that players ultimately are responsible for what goes into their bodies. NFL rules, he said, are clear on this.
"I know my sons aren't into steroids because quarterbacks don't want bulk," Manning said. "But they like supplements; heck, I like supplements. My advice to them has been to never take anything - anything! - until they've had it fully checked against the banned substances list.
"My own opinion is that if Deuce was taking anything it was to lose weight, because I know he's always had to fight that weight," Manning continued. "I just hate this for him.
"I'll say this much: Deuce has represented his family, his hometown, the state of Mississippi, Ole Miss and the Saints as well as any player I've ever seen," Manning said. "I'd put him up against anybody in that regard. Deuce always takes care of his business."
But I also know how badly Deuce wanted to come back, how badly he wanted to prove himself again before he retired.
Everyone, Deuce McAllister included, is innocent until proved guilty. And where Deuce is concerned, I believe him.

seems pretty clear, he cheated and he got caught and according to league rules should be suspended.

now, it's not clear if he was simply trying to drop weight or trying to come back from injury (see: Rodney Harrison) either way it's a rules violation or "cheating" as RP would say.

I do like how Archie covered both sides "deuce is the son i never had" and "well, we all know he could have needed the faster healing"...

I have nothing against deuce, always been fond if him as a player, however if he was using it to lose weight it's still a rules violation because there is no way to prove if he (or anyone) was using it as a masking agent.

if the Saints said it was ok, then he should still be suspended by league rules and then if he wants sue the team to get the money lose for those weeks.

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 02:27 AM

If the drug, that he got cleared by team trainers, did not list the actual active ingredients, which it doesn't, the NFL is gonna be hard pressed to make this stick..

VonErichLives

10-29-2008, 09:56 AM

If the drug, that he got cleared by team trainers, did not list the actual active ingredients, which it doesn't, the NFL is gonna be hard pressed to make this stick..

no there not.

"failed a drug test for banned substances"

if he failed a drug test it doesn't matter what he claims he took, how does someone know he isn't saying he took starcaps but took something else?

the reality is, if he failed a drug test he should be treated like anyone else who failed a drug test otherwise the nfl system is flawed and open to interpertation, which they can't have.

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 12:01 PM

I'm guessing you haven't been following this story too closely.. If it was a cut and dry as you say, they would have gotten suspended weeks ago, because the failed tests happened before the season even started.. The NFL decided to investigate well before the players started the appeals process.. On top of the questions about what the "banned substance" was, there's the question of why league sources outted only Saints players, when this covers several players from several teams, completely destroying their own confidentiality rule..

It's not near as cut and dry as you are making it..

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 12:25 PM

It has begun.. I bet y'all don't even realize that out offensive guard Jamar Nesbit, who just started playing again the past week, failed a drug test for the same thing.. He thought it was hopeless to fight it so he took the four game suspension.. Now he is suing the maker of the pills due to it not labeling a substance that cause him loss of wages and hurt his reputation..

METAIRIE, La. -- Saints offensive guard Jamar Nesbit filed suit Tuesday against the maker of a weight-loss supplement, alleging it was improperly spiked with a diuretic that is banned by the NFL.
The lawsuit against the makers of StarCaps, an over-the-counter product, was filed in federal district court in New Jersey, said Nesbit's attorney Brian Molloy.

Nesbit returned last week from a four-game suspension levied after he tested positive for Bumetanide, a substance that helps rid the body of excess water and salt. The NFL considers the substance a possible masking agent for steroids.

It is the same substance for which several other players around the league have reportedly tested positive, including three other Saints: running back Deuce McAllister and defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant.

McAllister, Smith and Grant remain on the Saints roster pending a consolidated appeal of their suspensions, said a person familiar with their case. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the appeals are ongoing.

Nesbit never appealed his suspension because he did not expect to win, and instead chose get it over with as soon as possible while trying to recoup his $235,294 in lost salary from StarCaps, Molloy said.

"Under NFL rules, you are strictly liable for what is in your body. They don't care how it got there, contaminated supplements or otherwise," said Molloy, who has represented other players in past appeals of NFL suspensions for banned substances. "So he did not appeal his suspension and focused his attention on going after the manufacturer of StarCaps."

In addition to lost salary, the lawsuit seeks money for damage to Nesbit's reputation and for the alleged intentional, undisclosed spiking of the product with Bumetanide.

Molloy said some of Nesbit's leftover pills were tested and found to be contaminated with Bumetanide, which is not listed as an ingredient.

StarCaps did not immediately respond to an e-mail from The Associated Press seeking comment on the allegations.

McAllister, who publicly acknowledged he was being investigated by the league after the Saints' 37-32 victory over San Diego on Sunday, has said his positive test for Bumetanide also resulted from his use of StarCaps. He said he has been using the product to help him control his weight for four years and had the pills lab-tested before he began taking them.

Nesbit's lawsuit was filed the day after the Saints flew home from London, where they improved to 4-4 by beating the Chargers.

The Saints and the NFL have declined to discuss the investigations of individual players' alleged use of banned substances, citing confidentiality rules.

However, coach Sean Payton indicated he did not expect to learn of any new suspensions of Saints players before New Orleans' next game at Atlanta on Nov. 9.

"I think we're beyond that right now," Payton said Tuesday at the team's suburban headquarters. "Without commenting on dates or specifics, I'm sure at some point there will be a hearing and there will be a decision made by the league and we'll go from there."

The Saints have a bye this weekend. They are scheduled to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but the team said players would not be made available to reporters this week.

Payton said he doesn't want to get bogged down in long-term plans for the uncertain remainder of what has already been a topsy-turvy season.

"The only thing I could control is our roster and our team right now," Payton said. "I don't view it as being in limbo. ... We look at our roster week by week and we say, 'Hey, here we go. And let's prepare to win a game with who's up and who's inactive.'

"All the other things will take care of themselves," Payton continued. "We'll let the process take it's course and see where that goes."

Still, Payton conceded it would be a challenge to cope with the losses of three top players at the same time.

"Anytime you lose a guy that's been in your lineup on a regular basis, it's going to be a challenge," Payton said. "I don't want to speculate in that specific case with those three players, but obviously it becomes harder than if they were active. It's like having a rash of injuries all at the same time for four weeks."

Copyright 2008 by The Associated PressAs I said, it's not near as cut and dry as you are making it out to be.. Sure, it is ultimatly the players responcibility to watch what they take and make sure none of it is on the banned substance list, but if they go into GNC and buy something that is labeled "all natural" and doesn't actually list the active ingridents, how does that responcibility still fall into their laps?? Deuce was even quoted saying he took it to the Saints NFL paid trainers, who based on the information that the company is legally obl;igated to print on the bottle, they cleared it.. I mean, are all pro athletes supposed to pay to send all vitimines and suppliments to a testing facilaty just in case the shit they are taking might have other chemicals in them that aren't labeled??

It's a weird case but I can kinda see your point.. I mean, Hollis Thomas got busted for an Asthma medicine that was prescribed to him for his entire NFL career by team doctors and he still got suspended.. If these suspensions do go through, that comapny will be paying every player involved's game checks plus damages, I am sure..

I look at this like, if you were on probation and bought an off brand over the counter pain killer, took it to your P.O. to check to make sure you could take it, he cleared it, then a week later you get popped for opiates with a piss test for that same P.O.. If they then test that over the counter pain killer and find that is where the opiates came from, then the responcibility should still fall on the guy who failed it??

10-29-2008, 02:35 PM

Kris Lettuce, these players know what goes in there bodies. If not, then its there own fault. Even there players rep has said as much. They got busted, deal with it. Maybe it was a mistake on there part, but thats not the NFL's fault. If they dont know what they're putting into there bodies then they're just plain dumb i guess.

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 02:43 PM

Alot of NFL players take supplements and whatnot.. I'm guessing the 95% of those players use the active ingredients list on the pills or powder or whatever to compare to the banned substance list..

The 1990 Organic Foods Production Act (OFPA) was passed primarily as a consumer labeling law, to provide a national uniform definition to the term "organic" in the marketplace. Unregulated use of the term "organic" was leading to at best confusion, and at worst, fraud. A uniform national standard will address these consumer problems, and also lead to industry growth, which would benefit the consumer and the environment. The January 1998 Consumer Reports endorsed creation of a national labeling standard in order to reduce confusion in the marketplace.

http://www.consumersunion.org/pub/core_food_safety/002315.html

So, they are responsible for some company's fraud??

That is the point you guys seem to be missing..

10-29-2008, 02:47 PM

They knew what they were taking and they knew the risks. I dont buy any of that junk at all. Professional athletes know what they're putting in there body.

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 02:51 PM

Whatever dude..

There is a federal law stating companies must label all active ingredients on their products.. There is no way the players could have known what was in them due to this company breaking that federal law..

10-29-2008, 02:59 PM

So they took pills that didnt have the active ingredients on the label? Thats retarded.

VonErichLives

10-29-2008, 03:00 PM

krispy, how do you prove this "mislabled" drug is all the took?

you can't.

simple, they failed the test they face the penalty.

end of story.

10-29-2008, 03:07 PM

Yah.. its so easy to be like " ok heres what i took and it doesnt have that ingredient on the label, so i must be innocent. ". Comon. I dont buy that junk at all. They got busted. Thats that.

10-29-2008, 03:07 PM

P.S. Its time for the league to make an example out of Vince Wilfork. He's become one of the dirtiest players in the league and all he gets is slaps on the wrists. Sit this guy down for 4 games please.

VonErichLives

10-29-2008, 03:08 PM

see, I think he could be telling the truth... but there is no way to give him a pass w/o opening a can of worms.

Kris P Lettus

10-29-2008, 04:17 PM

krispy, how do you prove this "mislabled" drug is all the took?

By testing the Star Caps (which I'm sure is happening due to the pending law suits).. Using diuretics to cheat drug test is a crap shoot anyway..

So they took pills that didnt have the active ingredients on the label? Thats retarded.

Are you trying to play dumb here?? The pills in question were advertised as "ALL NATURAL" and "ORGANIC".. There is an active ingredients list but it said nothing about Bumetanide, which is the banned substance they failed the test for.. So, if the NFL gets an independent company to test samples of Star Caps and it comes up that they do contain this banned substance while not listing it on the label, I'm sure you will be like "Oh it's just a coincidence.. That doesn't prove that's what they took.."

I completely realize you guys are mostly hating, but you gotta agree there is ALOT of gray area in this case..

Gonzo

10-29-2008, 10:54 PM

#1-norm-fan

10-29-2008, 11:02 PM

Ex-Lions receiver Roy Williams made a triumphant return to Detroit Monday evening for a Halloween party. And his choice of costume was quite amusing - showing up as RB-turned-baggage thief Tatum Bell.

http://www.yardbarker.com/m/39532/xl/roy_williams_tatum_bell_costume.jpg

lol

SammyG

10-30-2008, 02:22 PM

Steven Jackson unsure whether he will play, COME ON, Man up. Huge game.

VonErichLives

10-30-2008, 09:45 PM

krispy, how do you prove this "mislabled" drug is all the took?

By testing the Star Caps (which I'm sure is happening due to the pending law suits).. Using diuretics to cheat drug test is a crap shoot anyway..

ok, let's try this again.

krispy, how do you prove this "mislabled" drug is all the took?

testing the star caps may prove the drug was in them, but doesn't prove that's all anyone took.

also, it being a "Crap shoot" to mask doesn't stop people from trying it.

and no, i'm not hating, but if you break a rule like that you should take the penalty.

Kris P Lettus

10-30-2008, 11:08 PM

You are a f'n idiot..

Firstly, I'll ask you again, why would they take a banned substance to cover another banned substance?? If the "Star Caps" didn't contain the banned substance, it wouldn't have "masked" shit..

Secondly, are you really suggesting that Deuce is intent on covering up his used of banned substances, that he (and others) figured all this out about Star Caps to cover up their steroid use??

Again, I see what you are saying, but again, there is way too much gray area.. I mean, what are the coincidences that all this is falling in place just to cover up drug use.. I mean, what you are suggesting is that, not only were they knowingly taking the banned substance Bumetanide to cover up some form of other banned substance, but Deuce's CSI skills randomly lead him to an over the counter pill that contains Bumetanide yet is breaking FDA regulation by not properly lableing that it does indeed contain Bumetanide??

Is that what you are suggesting??

If "Star Caps" do indeed contain Bumetanide that prove that the company is wrong.. If "papaya and garlic" can mask the use of steroids, then they should be on the banned substance list.. You keep saying "how does that prove it was all he was taking", well if he was taking something else Deuce is a fucking genius for figuring out something that has falling through FDA regulation..

Gonzo

10-30-2008, 11:23 PM

...FDA regulation by not properly lableing that it does indeed contain Bumetanide??...

Fairly positive the FDA doesn't regulate drugs like these.

Kris P Lettus

10-30-2008, 11:25 PM

Who would regulate it then??

Kris P Lettus

10-30-2008, 11:28 PM

And yeah, it def is a FDA law, for the record..

1999

A final rule mandates that all over-the-counter drug labels must contain data in a standardized format. These drug facts are designed to provide the patient with easy-to-find information, analogous to the nutrition facts label for foods.

http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/miles.html

Look for yourself..

Gonzo

10-31-2008, 02:02 PM

I was talking about steroids. My bad. I thought thats what you were talking about. I wasn't paying attention.

Kris P Lettus

10-31-2008, 02:41 PM

They didn't get popped for steroids.. They got popped for Bumetanide, which is a chemical diuretic.. It is on the banned substance list due it it being able to "mask" the use of other drugs.. All four Saints have said the only supplement they were taking was "Star Caps" which was an over the counter weight loss drug that was advertised as being "ALL NATURAL" and "ORGANIC".. Now, it has come out that Star Caps did contain Bumetanide but it didn't list it on the active ingredience list.. VEL is trying to say that they were taking Star Caps to mask the use of other substances, which is ridiculous, cause if it was what it said it was, "papaya and garlic" and not "Bumetanide" it wouldn't have masked anything.. They would have had no way of knowing it had Bumetanide in it, until they failed a drug test for it.. I mean, what he is suggesting is a super intricate conspericy between the New Orleans Saints and the manufactuors of Star Caps, just so they could have an excuss as to why they failed a drug test for Bumetanide, when really they were taking steroids the whole time..

Or something..

Pretty ridiculous..

Gonzo

10-31-2008, 03:13 PM

I have a hard time seeing how they will be able to excuse taking the diuretic even considering those circumstances.

Kris P Lettus

10-31-2008, 03:30 PM

They didn't know it was a banned diuretic though.. Cranberry juice is a diuretic.. If they were drinking some store bought cranberry juice and it somehow had opiates in it, would they still be responsible?? The bottom line is, the company selling the pills mislabled them, which is against FDA regulations for this very reason.. Should they be punished, with their pay docked, and their reputations tarnished for some company being in the wrong??

Kris P Lettus

10-31-2008, 03:32 PM

Regardless of if they get suspended or not, I'm sure that company will be sued due to their product causing problems with their careers and characters..

VonErichLives

11-01-2008, 12:03 PM

They didn't know it was a banned diuretic though.. Cranberry juice is a diuretic.. If they were drinking some store bought cranberry juice and it somehow had opiates in it, would they still be responsible??

yes

and

Should they be punished, with their pay docked, and their reputations tarnished for some company being in the wrong??

yes.

we know it's a saint player and one you love, but shit happens.

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 03:24 PM

DrA

11-01-2008, 03:31 PM

Hey, after a while maybe we can begin talking about one of the other 1,799 players in the league.

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 03:32 PM

Ok, you own (or owned) a restaurant.. If you sold a bottled beer and as you customer was drinking it a jagged piece of metal came out of said beer and slice up the customer's mouth and throat.. Would that be your fault as the owner, or the distributor/beer company's??

How were you to know there was something foreign in the beer??

VonErichLives

11-01-2008, 05:22 PM

If you seriously believe that, then you have a skewed line of thinking..

They were taking what they thought was a legal, "all natural" weight loss pill and was compared the active ingredients to those on the banned substance lists.. As I said earlier, there are FEDERAL LAWS in place for things like this.. The company broke those FEDERAL LAWS causing players to violate regulations at their job..

I would feel the exact same way if it were Patriot players.. The same can not be said for you..

i'd feel the same if it was a patriot player.

the problem is you can't prove that was the only thing they took, that's what you can't seem to understand.

Ok, you own (or owned) a restaurant.. If you sold a bottled beer and as you customer was drinking it a jagged piece of metal came out of said beer and slice up the customer's mouth and throat.. Would that be your fault as the owner, or the distributor/beer company's??

How were you to know there was something foreign in the beer??

first, that's not even close to the same situation, you're arguing something different then we are. The issue is you can't prove that was all they took and that's where the false test came from.

but with your example.

hence why I carried a 4million dollar liability policy.

The customer if they sued would sue my restaurant, the make of the beer and probably even the server.

you forget we live in a fucked up sue happy country.

VonErichLives

11-01-2008, 05:22 PM

Hey, after a while maybe we can begin talking about one of the other 1,799 players in the league.

how's romo's pinky?

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 05:51 PM

i'd feel the same if it was a patriot player.

the problem is you can't prove that was the only thing they took, that's what you can't seem to understand.

first, that's not even close to the same situation, you're arguing something different then we are. The issue is you can't prove that was all they took and that's where the false test came from.

but with your example.

hence why I carried a 4million dollar liability policy.

The customer if they sued would sue my restaurant, the make of the beer and probably even the server.

you forget we live in a fucked up sue happy country.

As I've asked you like 30 times,

-why would they take a banned substance to cover another banned substance??

Why does anyone have to prove that's all they took?? I mean, if the drug was what it advertised itself to be, it wouldn't have covered up any other drugs in their systems.. You are suggesting that they either A) took a drug on the banned substance list to cover up taking another drug on the banned substance list or B) were taking steroids (or something other than a diurectic, and then once getting popped, figured out that this other totally random drug had the banned substance yet didn't list it, which I really don't think they, as football players, had the mean to get that kind of information..

Bottom line is, if Star Caps hadn';t had the banned substance, then it wouldn't have masked the use of other banned substances any more than eating straight garlic and papaya.. You are saying they had prior knowledge that Star Caps had the banned substance which brings up the first question I asked..

Why would they knowingly take a banned substance to cover the use of another banned substance??

Also, how would they have inside information about this product?? It's not like they are chemists..

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 05:54 PM

Hey, after a while maybe we can begin talking about one of the other 1,799 players in the league.

I really don't see why some of you bitch so f'n much in this thread.. We are having a conversation that pertains to the NFL season, which is what this thread is for.. If you want to discuss something else, fine.. It'd sure be better than bitching and whining about what we are talking about..

Maybe you and SammyG should get together and have a good cry about it..

SammyG

11-01-2008, 05:57 PM

....

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 06:00 PM

You were bitching about the exact same shit like a week ago..

As far as the NFL is concerned, I follow the New Orleans Saints, which is what I'm going to post about.. Why not post about your team??

Not that hard..

11-01-2008, 07:40 PM

Saints R Cheaters

SammyG

11-01-2008, 07:45 PM

RP, Should I start Dallas Clark against NE, or Olsen against the Lions. I REALLY LOVE Clark. can you guarentee me Manning gets him the ball.

ClockShot

11-01-2008, 09:20 PM

Daunte Culpepper signs 2-year deal with the Lions.

I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. For now. :shifty:

Kris P Lettus

11-01-2008, 09:55 PM

I knew a team would pick him up if a starting QB went down..

He should have swallowed his pride two months ago..

VonErichLives

11-02-2008, 07:19 AM

on paper, I pick the colts today, but the game isn't played on paper, so we'll see what happens.

11-02-2008, 07:21 AM

I pick Bob Sanders to kill someone tonight.

11-02-2008, 07:23 AM

RP, Should I start Dallas Clark against NE, or Olsen against the Lions. I REALLY LOVE Clark. can you guarentee me Manning gets him the ball.

Two TD's for Clark tonight. Start him. He almost had 3 against the Titans. New Englands secondary is poor. There linebackers are slow. Clark is gunna cut them up.

11-02-2008, 07:29 AM

Team Sheep

11-02-2008, 10:08 AM

Awesome Sunday coming up. Jets @ Buffalo should be a great AFC East battle, Green Bay @ Tennessee I'm really looking forward to. Then we've got Dallas @ Giants and Pats @ Colts :D Can't wait.

Team Sheep

11-02-2008, 10:08 AM

Monday Night football looks awesome this week also.

Gonzo

11-02-2008, 10:14 AM

I got the Colts today. I really think they come out on fire. They have to. RP said it best, it is basically a playoff game for them.

VonErichLives

11-02-2008, 10:29 AM

The Colts have every reason to blow New England out tonight. I'm not even talking shit or anything. Pats secondary is full of bums and rookies. There linebackers are slow. Colts defense thrives against inexperienced QB's like Matt Cassel. And i dont even know who the Pats rb will be. Kevin Faulk? I guess. They dont have Jordan, Marhoney or Morris. Bob Sanders and the best unknown cornerback in the league, Kelvin Heydan are coming back. There should be some turnovers from the Pats and Manning should get alot of opps to score touchdowns and if Matt Cassell has to play from behind, which should happen, the Pats are in deep shit.

Plus Indy has to win this game. And that means alot. This is basically a playoff game right now. If they lose, i think there done. The score of this game should be like 42- 17. But the Colts havent been the Colts all year long. So who knows. I wouldnt bet on them at this point. I can only say what should happen.

as I said, on paper i'd take the Colts today.

Faulk and some guy with 4 names I forget are the RB, however he's has a few flashes of speed.

the OL is playing like shit and that wont help against this colts DL and the best cover guy they have right now is Hobbs who will deflect a pass and then get a 15yd penalty for a celebration.

for the Pats to win...

1) OL they need to play like they did prior to mid-season last year. When they were one of if not the best.

2) DL get that pass rush going, this isn't the same Indy unit and it's shown, not just talent but Mannings ability to change a million things at the line hasn't happened because the new guys are confused.

3) Mayo has to keep playing like he has been and if it's Addai or Rhodes, stuff'em every chance he has.

4) Cassell, the flashes we've seen we need more of... the ability to read and step up and deliver that he does a few times a game, today is the day it needs to come out. If he gets hit early, come back up top right away.

I have to be up early tomorow, so I'm hoping for a pats blowout at half time and then I can go to bed.

Gonzo

11-02-2008, 10:33 AM

the best cover guy they have right now is Hobbs who will deflect a pass and then get a 15yd penalty for a celebration.

lol I hate when players act like they just won the Superbowl on a regular play. If it is third or fourth down I can see a celebration, but lets get real here.

VonErichLives

11-02-2008, 10:57 AM

lol I hate when players act like they just won the Superbowl on a regular play. If it is third or fourth down I can see a celebration, but lets get real here.

Hobbs is an undersized CB who is a good cover guy and a good return guy, however there are times when he's dancing annoys the crap out of me (not counting the SD incident a few years ago which was payback for what SD did in NE).

Team Sheep

11-02-2008, 03:58 PM

Woo New York Jetssss :D

ClockShot

11-02-2008, 05:10 PM

Jay Cutler is slowly transforming into Brett Favre. 2 INTs in the first quarter already and down to Miami.

Hopefully things will turn around in the 2nd half.

Crimson

11-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Why is Brad Johnason still in there what is it gonna take, for him to throw 10 int's in a game??? Take HIS ASS OUT ALREADY FUCK

FearedSanctity

11-02-2008, 05:47 PM

As I said before, Denver can only have either good offense or defense, never both. Now the defense is really holding Miami, but the O can't do shit once they get to midfield.

DaveWadding

11-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Why is Brad Johnason still in there what is it gonna take, for him to throw 10 int's in a game??? Take HIS ASS OUT ALREADY FUCK

:rofl:

Skippord

11-02-2008, 06:16 PM

well that was a ground breakingly awful call

FearedSanctity

11-02-2008, 06:19 PM

wtf is this vendetta the refs have against Denver now? Seriously.

DrA

11-02-2008, 06:22 PM

I really don't see why some of you bitch so f'n much in this thread.. We are having a conversation that pertains to the NFL season, which is what this thread is for.. If you want to discuss something else, fine.. It'd sure be better than bitching and whining about what we are talking about..

Maybe you and SammyG should get together and have a good cry about it..

I'm sorry.

RoXer

11-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Sammyg..

Whom may that be??

FearedSanctity

11-02-2008, 06:34 PM

Peyton Hillis is a fucking God amongst men.

7 catches for 115 yards and a TD.

And he's a fullback...

Mr. Monday Morning

11-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Raiders had 3 (THREE) 1st downs all game

That is earth-shatteringly awful

Heros Welcome

11-02-2008, 07:03 PM

ATL murdering the Raiders today! Loved every minute of it!

SammyG

11-02-2008, 07:14 PM

lol Rams

Team Sheep

11-02-2008, 07:25 PM

How the fuck did the Jets lose to Oakland.

Evil Vito

11-02-2008, 07:26 PM

<font color=goldenrod>New York Football Giants</font> :love:

McLegend

11-02-2008, 07:28 PM

Big game next week.

ClockShot

11-02-2008, 07:31 PM

4 of the last 5 lost for Denver. And I thought this was the year.

We're halfway through the season right now. Here's hoping the second half for us will be better than the first.

Innovator

11-02-2008, 08:50 PM

NEW YORK

Loose Cannon

11-02-2008, 10:09 PM

huge win today.......and Indy just scored woooooooo. sorry.

Jets always seem to show up against the AFC East

Triple A

11-02-2008, 11:47 PM

Yeah I feel like that loss against the Raiders is gonna annoy me all season. Could be 6-2 now.

Skippord

11-03-2008, 12:29 AM

Peyton Hillis is a fucking God amongst men.

7 catches for 115 yards and a TD.

And he's a fullback...
I might be in love with that gentleman

Boomer

11-03-2008, 12:51 AM

Cowboys-Giants was so ugly I couldn't bear watching it. The media hype machine still jumped all over it though. Ugh.

There isn't even an article or video about the Falcons game on the front page of ESPN. I mean I know Jamarcus Russell looked like Marcus Vick, but lord we flat out blanked them. Domination the entire game. More wins than all of last year, and still very much in contention for the division. Saints-Falcons will be fun for sure.

Oh and I was pretty bored with the Tennessee game too. I can't believe they are doing this with fucking Kerry Collins. Kurt Warner I can understand...but Kerry Collins? Good lord...this will be worse than when the Bucs won the Superbowl with Brad Johnson.

The Genius

11-03-2008, 12:55 AM

Evil Vito

11-03-2008, 07:12 AM

how are the raiders that bad. they had negative net yardage at the end of a half and finish the game with like 3 first downs total. not to mention that ATL pulls turner and puts in a 3rd string RB and he runs all over oaklands defense.

terrible week altogether, 4 different fantasy teams will take losses now.

<font color=goldenrod>Nope, you'll still win your game against me because there's no chance Clinton Portis AND the Washington D get less than 5 points. :(

Fucking Jeff Fisher can't make up his mind about his goal line back.</font>

Innovator

11-03-2008, 10:06 AM

HUGE game with week against the Eagles.

Supreme Olajuwon

11-03-2008, 01:01 PM

Finally won a game. Hooray.

One thing that's annoying me though is Carson Palmer is still holding off on getting Tommy John surgery and is still hoping to play at some point this season. Why? The season is essentially over. Get the surgery and heal up and get ready for next season.

SammyG

11-03-2008, 02:09 PM

After the game, Bulger told Post-Dispatch columnist Bryan Burwell:
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"If you want to put the blame on me (for why the offense struggled), well, I don't care.
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"Oh, I know everyone's going to say it's my fault. They're going to say I'm throwing off my back foot or crap like that. But you know what? I don't care what people say. All I care about are what my teammates and my family says.

"Everyone else? I don't give a damn."

Sweet, Marc.

ClockShot

11-03-2008, 07:39 PM

Denver RBs Andre Hall and Michael Pittman out for the season.

Ryan Torain is the only guy we got to carry the load.

The plunger is up. I'm looking for a man or something to push it down so the team can blow itself up.

Skippord

11-05-2008, 01:30 AM

I think the man who pushed the plunger would get hurt and knocked out for the season

FearedSanctity

11-05-2008, 03:42 AM

Broncos promote RB PJ Pope and S Roderick Rogers to active roster. Cut TE Chad Mustard, for seriously like the 100th time. Sign FA LB Mario Haggan.

Peyton Hillis was saying he's likely to get more touches vs. Cleveland, probably do to him being amazing. Spencer Larsen being considered for move to LB.

11-05-2008, 08:01 AM

ClockShot

11-05-2008, 08:09 AM

Word around the 'net is that DeAngelo Hall is to be released from the Raiders today.

Boomer

11-05-2008, 06:21 PM

Word is D Hall was talking smack to the Falcons in the tunnel at halftime.

Heros Welcome

11-05-2008, 06:45 PM

Thats D Hall's game, talk trash then get smoked for a 50 yard bomb.

Boomer

11-05-2008, 06:57 PM

Thats D Hall's game, talk trash then get smoked for a 50 yard bomb.

Only vice-versa in the case.

#1-norm-fan

11-05-2008, 07:04 PM

Thank you for playing NFL football this season Dallas Cowboys. There will be parting gifts. Next time dont bring Mike Jenkins to a mans game. Bye

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lol. Mike Jenkins returned a pick for a TD in the game you massive tool.

P.S. Dallas still has a better record than Indy despite having to start Brad Johnson, missing Felix Jones, and having to start Jenkins and Scandrick, two rookies because our top 3 corners are out therefore...

Thank you for playing NFL football this season Indianapolis Colts. There will be parting gifts.

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OssMan

11-05-2008, 07:13 PM

This game simply assures that the Cowboys will not go 13-3

#1-norm-fan

11-05-2008, 07:13 PM

lol. What the hell are you talking about?

#1-norm-fan

11-05-2008, 07:15 PM

BTW, Cleveland

Gonzo

11-05-2008, 10:36 PM

lol. Mike Jenkins returned a pick for a TD in the game you massive tool.

P.S. Dallas still has a better record than Indy despite having to start Brad Johnson, missing Felix Jones, and having to start Jenkins and Scandrick, two rookies because our top 3 corners are out therefore...

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You clearly missed the point. Jenkins didn't even attempt to make a play on Ward and Ward ran right by him. You are the tool. You are such a biased moron its not even funny. You have to turn everything into a pissing contest about your team. Shut the fuck up jackass.

11-06-2008, 08:57 AM

Cowboys may have a better record then the Colts, but atleast the Colts dont have girls playing in there secondary. Mike Jenkins is a disgrace to football. I dont care if he returned a td or not. So what. Sam Adams returned a td once too. God you're an idiot. Your guy just pulled up on a sure tackle cause he didnt wanna break a nail. The best part is that i'm hearing all the Cowboys fans are giving him shit too. Accept for you #1 wwf fan. Because your a fucking moron. Enjoy your girlish secondary and cry baby WR and your premadona QB and your horrible fat ugly dumb coach. Also enjoy not making it out of the first round of the playoffs.

Fixed ( dumb cunt )

11-06-2008, 09:04 AM

lol. Look at me! I'm a dumb Cowboy fan. I dont have a fucking clue as to what i'm talking about. My cornerback is afraid to tackle someone and thats ok with me because i'm just fucking dumb. And i'm a Cowboy fan. Which makes me a dumb Cowboy fan

Dumb Cowboy fan. Dumb Cowboy fan. Dumb Cowboy fan. Dumb Cowboy fan. Dumb Cowboy fan. Romo fumbles the snap. Dumb Cowboy fan.

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#1-norm-fan

11-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Thank you for playing NFL football this season Dallas Cowboys. There will be parting gifts.

Yes I missed the point you made about "Mike Jenkins" in that sentence dismissing a team with a better record than Indy from the rest of the season.

Just give up on life already...

#1-norm-fan

11-06-2008, 11:00 AM

You clearly missed the point. Jenkins didn't even attempt to make a play on Ward and Ward ran right by him. You are the tool. You are such a biased moron its not even funny. You have to turn everything into a pissing contest about your team. Shut the fuck up jackass.

Mike Jenkins scored as many points in the game as the offense on a play where the ball was NO WHERE near anyone but Jenkins. However that horrible play will be ignored by certain biased morons.

On one play he failed to tackle the RB, assuming Ward would be cutting to the outside and then getting made to look foolish when he cuts back in. This suddenly turns into Mike Jenkins being "a girl" by... biased morons... (And one angry Colts fan looking for someone elses team to bitch about cause he can't currently talk about his own.)

I can understand people enjoying and talking about how horrible Dallas has been since the injuries but the exaggerated Mike Jenkins arguments are sad. If you want to talk about how terrible Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger then I won't argue. Ignoring your teams stupid play while acting like Jenkins bad play sums up his entire 9 game career makes you a biased moron.

Think before you speak you fucking retard.

11-06-2008, 11:07 AM

huh? My team won last week. And i'm pretty happy. And yes Mike Jenkins is a girl. And yes you're the worst poster in this thread. Bye.

DrA

11-06-2008, 11:29 AM

To be honest with you, I probably wouldn't be a Dallas Cowboy fan if I wasn't from Dallas. I like them due to years of conditioning, but these Jerry Jones ads that they show over here are just repulsive. Looking at that face of his where they probably used scrotum skin during that plastic surgery he had.

DrA

11-06-2008, 11:29 AM

http://www.jim-rose.com/JerryJones.jpg

11-06-2008, 11:30 AM

Comon DrA. Admit it. Mike Jenkins is a girl.

11-06-2008, 11:31 AM

DrA

11-06-2008, 11:32 AM

Nah he's actually a good player. One of the better players the team has had the past few weeks.

11-06-2008, 11:40 AM

wrong

DrA

11-06-2008, 11:41 AM

How dare you refer to a representative of America's Team like that.

Gonzo

11-06-2008, 01:33 PM

Mike Jenkins scored as many points in the game as the offense on a play where the ball was NO WHERE near anyone but Jenkins. However that horrible play will be ignored by certain biased morons.

On one play he failed to tackle the RB, assuming Ward would be cutting to the outside and then getting made to look foolish when he cuts back in. This suddenly turns into Mike Jenkins being "a girl" by... biased morons... (And one angry Colts fan looking for someone elses team to bitch about cause he can't currently talk about his own.)

I can understand people enjoying and talking about how horrible Dallas has been since the injuries but the exaggerated Mike Jenkins arguments are sad. If you want to talk about how terrible Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger then I won't argue. Ignoring your teams stupid play while acting like Jenkins bad play sums up his entire 9 game career makes you a biased moron.

Think before you speak you fucking retard.

Listen asshole, Jenkins didn't make a play on Ward on that run and he looked foolish. If we were talking about the INT for the TD then I would give him his credit, but we weren't. The play was a poor read by Eli and a terrible decision. That wasn't the subject of conversation though. I've enjoyed Dallas' misfortune as much as anyone, but you won't be able to find me making fun in this thread aside from a few comments here or there. I didn't ignore any of my team's stupid play, but if it were to come up I would discuss it. You turn every fucking single comment or statement about your team into an argument and are a twat. Heed your own advice. I can't stand this fucking thread because the only person I can tolerate to talk to is DrA, because he is not a giant bag of douche.

SammyG

11-06-2008, 05:50 PM

Look, when it comes to that video, how anyone can deny that Mike Jenkins pussed out is beyond me. Come on, just fucking watch that shit.

11-06-2008, 05:58 PM

I dont recall ever seeing a player from the Colts do something like that. If you have no pride and you cant jump in there and make a tackle, you dont belong in the league. I dont care how good your endzone dance is.

Supreme Olajuwon

11-06-2008, 06:16 PM

Broncos get more bad news: DJ Williams is out for a month. Hey at least he's not going on IR.

11-06-2008, 06:37 PM

http://withleather.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bradyquinn7.jpg

ClockShot

11-06-2008, 06:37 PM

Broncos get more bad news: DJ Williams is out for a month. Hey at least he's not going on IR.

:rofl:

Ahhh. Gonna be an interesting game tonight. Well, to those few million who shelled out to get NFL network.

Kris P Lettus

11-06-2008, 06:55 PM

I'm at my dad's so I'll be watching the game tonight.. Well, after My Name is Earl and The Office..

MTH15

11-06-2008, 07:27 PM

The falcons need to crush the saints so we can keep up in the standings....We WILL nigga we WILL

Kris P Lettus

11-06-2008, 07:30 PM

Not gonna happen..

Y'all will be 0-3 in the division come Monday, broseph..

MTH15

11-06-2008, 07:38 PM

If our defense applys pressure, and if we can get a runnin game we got this....I still think Norwoods better than Turner

Kris P Lettus

11-06-2008, 08:01 PM

If y'all try to blitz, Brees is gonna eat up the middle of the field..

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 08:53 PM

As I said before, Denver can only have either good offense or defense, never both.

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 08:54 PM

The offense is having no problem moving this week, but now the D is allowing the Browns to run for 10+ yards at a time

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 09:14 PM

Torrain down with a leg injury

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 09:15 PM

Selvin Young aggravates his groin injury, Peyton Hillis now the HB

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 09:21 PM

So basically:

<strike>HB Selvin Young
HB Michael Pittman
HB Andre Hall
HB Ryan Torrain</strike>
FB Peyton Hillis

Other injuries in this game:
MLB Nate Webster
TE Tony Sheffler

MTH15

11-06-2008, 11:21 PM

If we get good enough pressure and hit his soft ass he'll fuck up

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 11:22 PM

Damn, when did Denver manage to get Kellen Winslow? Pass interference, fumble and an easy catch dropped. Single handedly cost the Browns the game. Best defensive player Denver had, aside from Woodyard.

Also, Peyton Hillis is still a God.

Splaya

11-06-2008, 11:22 PM

Jesus Christ look at all those injuries

Splaya

11-06-2008, 11:25 PM

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 11:28 PM

Just actually saw all Winslow's offensive stats. Too bad that despite the awesome game he had, he's still the biggest reason they lost

11-06-2008, 11:28 PM

Brandon Marshall is such a selfish idiot. Thank God the Broncos had Stokely on the field ( or on the team for that matter ) because Marshall was pulling something out his pants and he was about to do something really dumb and get a penalty. Is that guy a fucking retard or something? They needed that win and dumbass wanted to give it away and Stokely practically tackled him.

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Noticed that, but if I have to put up with him being an idiot to keep from fucks like Glenn Martinez and Darrell Jackson lining up across from Royal, I'll deal.

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 11:31 PM

MARSHALL HAD A BLACK-AND-WHITE GLOVE (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/06/marshall-had-a-black-and-white-glove/)

Posted by Mike Florio on November 6, 2008, 11:33 p.m.
Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall told the NFLN post-game crew that he had planned to display a black-and-white unity glove after scoring the game-winning touchdown against the Browns on Thursday night.
Marshall said that it was a twist on the ”black power” display (http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/mexicocity68ii.htm) from the 1968 Olympics.
Brandon Stokley wisely intervened, since it would have resulted in a 15-yard penalty.

11-06-2008, 11:36 PM

Why doesnt he just wear the glove. Why does he have to wait for the cameras to be on him. If you wanna make a statement, then make a statement. This guy just wanted attention. But o well. Good think Stokely was there. He could learn from someone who's played on playoff teams and has a ring.

FearedSanctity

11-06-2008, 11:41 PM

Yeah, I believe he's getting that from Rod Smith

Skippord

11-07-2008, 12:30 AM

I am considering turning my closet into a shrine to Peyton Hillis

11-07-2008, 12:37 AM

I am too. He was fantastic.

11-07-2008, 12:40 AM

He was all balls tonight. That 4 and 1 play was just him manning up on the Browns. Ofcourse he is a fullback so he should get that yard.

Supreme Olajuwon

11-07-2008, 12:50 AM

I can't believe that Peyton Hillis, Darren McFadden, and Felix Jones were in a backfield together and their team didn't do shit.

DaveBrawl

11-07-2008, 09:06 AM

Rod Smith or somebody needs to teach Mr. Marshall blocking. Laying your hands on a man then pulling away immediately so your back gets destroyed does not count. Apparently he didn't get that memo.

Kris P Lettus

11-07-2008, 11:32 AM

http://www.sofantasyfootball.com/nfl/images/smilies/atlsux.gif

Kris P Lettus

11-07-2008, 11:38 AM

Kris P Lettus

11-07-2008, 02:53 PM

Adam Schefler (sp?) is reporting the Redskins signed D'Angelo Hall to a 1 year deal..

ClockShot

11-07-2008, 04:04 PM

Thanks for coming, Mr. Torain :wavesad:

Gonzo

11-07-2008, 05:08 PM

Adam Schefler (sp?) is reporting the Redskins signed D'Angelo Hall to a 1 year deal..

Nice, a target for Eli to pick on. :cool:

FearedSanctity

11-07-2008, 05:18 PM

Torain now done for the year, as well. Not surprised if we take Tatum Bell back.

Skippord

11-07-2008, 06:38 PM

we'll just have a sack of potatoes for a running back for the rest of the year

Shadow

11-08-2008, 12:27 AM

Nice, a target for Eli to pick on. :cool:

I know we've got alot of injuries in the secondary but did we have to pick him up?

Kris P Lettus

11-08-2008, 12:28 AM

Prolly hella overpaid him too..

:kiss:

Shadow

11-08-2008, 01:27 AM

Well that's Snyder's way. Gives him an excuse to jack up ticket prices just that much more.

Man fuck Hall. We were doing Ok before he showed up.

Gonzo

11-08-2008, 01:40 AM

I think he was signed for around 500K.

Mr. Monday Morning

11-08-2008, 08:24 AM

Schefter also had a tidbit that Asomugha has only been thrown at 10 times. This SEASON.

Which is insane.

11-08-2008, 08:40 AM

He stole that tidbit btw from Dr. Z on Sports Illustrated. He wrote about that a few weeks ago.

Gonzo

11-08-2008, 10:12 AM

That is scary good. I saw an article last year about the most thrown on/least thrown on defenders. It was interesting. I can't remember who was the worst by their system, but it was good.

11-08-2008, 10:21 AM

It also helped that Deanglo Hall allowed the most catches of any CB in the league so far. Really leaves no incentive to throw to the otherside

Kris P Lettus

11-08-2008, 11:35 AM

Kinda like Jason TOAST David and Predator last year.. Predator didn't have a TD thrown on him till like week 13 last year but Toast had like 17..

SammyG

11-08-2008, 03:17 PM

lol Jason TOAST David. I love it.

Kris P Lettus

11-08-2008, 03:24 PM

It's a national nickname now.. A writer for PFT even uses it..

:cool:

:wavesad:

Y2Ant

11-08-2008, 10:25 PM

BURNING CORNERBACKS

MTH15

11-09-2008, 04:08 AM

9 hours until gametime lls

Triple A

11-09-2008, 02:02 PM

St. Louis Rams

D Mac

11-09-2008, 02:07 PM

At least the Chiefs took the Jets to the limit.

Triple A

11-09-2008, 02:27 PM

40-0

Boomer

11-09-2008, 02:30 PM

At halftime no less...

SammyG

11-09-2008, 02:31 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAH RAMS. First Rams game I have not watched in over 2 years as I had a TERRIBLE feeling. Granted we are without Jackson, but still. This is hilarious, even following it on gameday.