Modern Warfare 2

[alvarado52]

i love how people say 'online is free' blah blah blah...you get what you pay for, remember that.

Edit: Besides, its Activision people....what do you expect? They are as bad as EA.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Activision are much, much worse than EA these days.

Don't worry anyways, the next MW will have a monthly fee for online. I can almost assure you of that.

[Blitz]

Activision are much, much worse than EA these days.

Don't worry anyways, the next MW will have a monthly fee for online. I can almost assure you of that.
...based on?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/10/activision-expresses-interest-in-subscription-based-call-of-duty/

Infinity Ward may have tried to distance itself from the rumors about the Call of Duty franchise going down Subscription Lane™, but Activision head honcho Bobby Kotick said otherwise during the publishing giant's recent earnings call. "If you think about the success that we've had in other product categories on subscription, you can get a sense of the direction that we want to take that franchise," he said.

Infinity Ward distancing themselves from it before is said to be one of the things the heads of lost their job over

[Blitz]

Aren't they're supposed to be developing a sort of Call Of Duty RTS type game or something? I'd think that would be the subscription based one. Putting the regular series on a monthly thing would alienate far more fans then would be worth it.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I would just go back to playing Killzone 2.

[El Fangel]

I dont like the thought of paying to play COD along with having to pay to play COD.

Fucking retarded.

Now if they set up a cheat reporting system, gave all DLC free to subscribers and stuff like that, then I could foresee it being a decent idea, so all in all, its not.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Aren't they're supposed to be developing a sort of Call Of Duty RTS type game or something? I'd think that would be the subscription based one. Putting the regular series on a monthly thing would alienate far more fans then would be worth it.

I could easily see them testing the waters on the next non IW CoD though, say $5 a month or something for a "premium" service or something, while still having free standard multilplayer.

[El Fangel]

With XBL being 9.99 a month base (cheaper when you buy more) a subscription of even $5 would make it $15 a month, which is almost enough to buy a decent greatest hits game or second hand game somewhere.

I dont mind paying for XBL, but having to pay on top of that to play a certain game is what really irks me and god forbid if every popular online game does that.

[Blitz]

I wouldn't mind $5 a month. Anymore than that and it gets dicey though. But if there was a decent amount of DLC that came free with that, I might be more inclined.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, while it wouldn't be for me personally even at $5, I don't even think they'd be stupid enough to try and gouge more than that out of it.

[Fignuts]

I would just go back to playing Killzone 2.

Buy MAG. I havn't played Killzone 2, or MW2 since buying it.

[El Fangel]

I wouldn't mind $5 a month. Anymore than that and it gets dicey though. But if there was a decent amount of DLC that came free with that, I might be more inclined.

If $5 a month covered ALL infinity ward games and DLC, I wouldnt mind so much.

But like i said before, still bullshit.

I mean take a look at games that have a subscription such as WoW, Eve Online, Etc.

You pay for Internet and the Subscription fee, which together for me would be $80 per month (of course I do other things with the net)

So the subscription for that is like a tax really.

Then you have the idea of paying,

$X a month to play a game, which you need to pay $10-$15 a month to access the ability to play online, which you have to pay $65 a month to actually be able to do any of this.

I know I am complaining alot but I really dont like paying for something more then once.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, while it wouldn't be for me personally even at $5, I don't even think they'd be stupid enough to try and gouge more than that out of it.

What you think and what will happen are likely not a like thing.

[Fignuts]

FA, do you pay for XBL monthly?

[El Fangel]

No, but I have.

I usually buy the 3 month card as its between the monthly and yearly (which is by far the best as its average is $5 a month, but I dont have $70 to blow at the moment, when I get my income tax, definitely)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I honestly can't believe I'm still on Gold and they haven't charged me for 2 years. Same old expired card on account with no available cash.

[Requiem]

What, FA? They are like $40 USD online. That comes out to $3.33 a month. Why would you not buy an entire year at a time in the first place?

[G]

yeah dunno anyone that doesn't pay for it yearly.

[Requiem]

Also, anyone who bitches about the fact that XBL isn't free can stfu.

$3.33 a month for a quality service is really nothing.

Hell, millions of people pay $10-$15 a month for MMOs, and that is just for the recurring use of a single product on top of their original purchase price and expansions.

[alvarado52]

i wouldnt even worry about it. 1) Its stupid to charge to play a game, unless its f'ing massive and constantly update (MMORPGS) 2) even if the old IW execs dont win in getting control of the Modern Warfare franchise, im almost certain theyll upon a studio, pull in all the IW team, and make a game similar to MW.

Wouldnt worry about budgets or publishers either, something tells me they wont have a problem finding a backer.

[Ogen]

I honestly can't believe I'm still on Gold and they haven't charged me for 2 years. Same old expired card on account with no available cash.

Yeah noticed that the other day myself, went to buy something in the Arcade and it turned down the card for payment, one they have on file has been expired for about 4 months now with not a peep from them. Long may that last anyway.

[Requiem]

There were rumors about a Modern Warfare MMO going around, FYI.

Doubt it will happen, or that it would be good if it did. Would be whored out to no end, ala Blizzard-style.

Gonna make a thread soon about another MMOFPS in the making though.

[El Fangel]

What, FA? They are like $40 USD online. That comes out to $3.33 a month. Why would you not buy an entire year at a time in the first place?

I dont buy stuff online, ever.

I honestly can't believe I'm still on Gold and they haven't charged me for 2 years. Same old expired card on account with no available cash.

I might try that with a prepaid credit card and see what happens.

[Requiem]

I dont buy stuff online, ever.

:roll: Then you deserve to overpay, and you have no room to bitch about things being overpriced.

[G]

I bet he bought a $70 HDMI cable :(

[El Fangel]

:roll: Then you deserve to overpay, and you have no room to bitch about things being overpriced.

Reason being is if I get ripped off, I cant grab the fucker by the neck who did it.

I bet he bought a $70 HDMI cable :(

I dont have a tv that it would be worth getting that for.

[Requiem]

If you get ripped off ordering online, you probably deserved that too.

Order from a reputable source, and you won't get ripped off. Pretty simple concept.

[Blitz]

I understand people feeling like the DLC is overpriced. It is, a little. But in the end it's like $15. It's a couple of fast food meals. It's not gonna kill anyone's bank account, and it's not like there's DLC coming out every month costing this much. What annoys me much more is the vehemence and venom with which the community is railing against this. Can't go to any COD message boards right now because there's too much bitching. Granted, the online COD community seems to be made up largely of equal parts 12 year olds and retards so you expect stupidity, but the sense of entitlement is just staggering. That's what Icebox's arguments in this thread are reminding me of.

[CSL]

Reason being is if I get ripped off, I cant grab the fucker by the neck who did it.

:roll:

[alvarado52]

I dont buy stuff online, ever.


oh cmon man, amazon.com? I understand buying from some places, but there are clear reputable places online that sell at good prices. Amazon a week back had 1 yr cards for $35.

[Blitz]

To be fair, Amazon is pretty useless to us Canadians, as they don't ship here. We have Amazon.ca, which is just awful.

[LoDownM]

Weren't the Map packs for the last 2 COD's 10 bucks? Oh noes, 5 bucks more!

[Boomer]

Not that I give a shit, but two of the 5 maps are just ports, and there are way better ways to spend money on XBL than that shit.

[D Mac]

But Crash is awesome. Hopefully they'll have seperate playlists to only play on the new maps, instead of just inserting them into the normal ones.

[Johnny McNasty]

oh cmon man, amazon.com? I understand buying from some places, but there are clear reputable places online that sell at good prices. Amazon a week back had 1 yr cards for $35.

My local video rental place had the same deal for one day only last week. Jumped all over that even thought I had just bought a three month subscription.

Also don't think 15 bucks is too much for 5 maps, when we paid ten for 3 last go around.

[Blitz]

Not that I give a shit, but two of the 5 maps are just ports
Been seeing this argument a lot. In the COD4 map pack, Chinatown was just a reskinned COD2 map, and I think I played Killhouse like once ever since it was in like no playlists. So $10 for 2 brand new maps, one rehash, and one that rarely gets played vs. $15 for 3 brand new maps and 2 of the best maps from COD4. Not too bad.

[El Fangel]

One other problem, are the maps bug and glitch free before they put them out? Equipped the nuke last night, some fucker found me at 24 kills while I was using the chopper gunner :(

[D Mac]

One other problem, are the maps bug and glitch free before they put them out?

I'm sure they tried their hardest.

[El Fangel]

So no then.

[Miotch]

You guys are all coming off like a bunch of crying children.

WAHHHHH THEY WANT ME TO PAY FOR CONTENT WAHHHHH

Jesus.

[Blitz]

I'm sure they tried their hardest.

So no then.
Love how people expect a massive, ambitious, deep game to just come out and be completely bug free, and if it isn't then the company failed.

[El Fangel]

Love how people expect a massive, ambitious, deep game to just come out and be completely bug free, and if it isn't then the company failed.

You think that they would have had enough time to, I dont know. Test them?

[Blitz]

Yes, in a huge game like Modern Warfare 2, it's probably really really simple to check for every single possible exploit and/or error in code. No problems there.

Seriously, I think I hate the bitching about glitches more than anything else about COD's community. Fuck's sake. Despite the cries of horror from the message boards, not a single glitch for this game as been even close to gamebreaking. If there was something that like caused the game to lock up and killed your hard drive or something, then yes, complain. But Javelindom? Infinite Care Packages? Big fucking deal. And it's even more asinine when you take into account the fact that that shit gets easily and quickly patched. But people want instant gratification, and if it takes more than a week to get something fixed, it's "OMG INFINITY WARD SUCKS THEY MADE SUCH AN UBER BROKEN GAME!!!!". Go ahead, keep ignoring the fact that it's a deep, addicting, gorgeous. and above all else, FUN game, and focus on the programmers missing a handful (yes that's right-HANDFUL) of glitches, that are quickly fixed once discovered. Come on.

[El Fangel]

Hmm, I do believe there is/was a

"-1,000,000 XP hack/glitch"
"10th Prestige Lobbies"
"Elevators"
"Wall Glitches"

[El Fangel]

There are many known glitches/hacks/cheats that they havent fixed or took their sweet time doing something about.

I dont see that changing if they had us pay a subscription fee either, hell knowing them they might even start charging us for the goddamn patch.

I love playing the game, what I dont love is playing on an uneven battlefield where some loser who sucks at the game has to ruin it for the other people playing.

I honestly dont and will never understand why someone has to cheat in an online game, I mean what do you accomplish? Your e-cock is a little bigger? Who are you going to show it to, people who cheat along with you?

It pisses me off to no end that people who do cheat, have nothing done to them whatsoever. It ruins the quality of play and when they ask you to pay above and beyond the cost of the game after that it really fucking pisses me off.

[Blitz]

Hmm, I do believe there is/was a

"-1,000,000 XP hack/glitch"
"10th Prestige Lobbies"
"Elevators"
"Wall Glitches"
Yeah the XP thing was bad. But wasn't it a hack, rather than a glitch though? Same with the 10th Prestige lobbies? And elevators and wall glitches, big deal.

There are many known glitches/hacks/cheats that they havent fixed or took their sweet time doing something about.
Such as?

I dont see that changing if they had us pay a subscription fee either, hell knowing them they might even start charging us for the goddamn patch.

Idiotic comments at best. Why on Earth would they charge for a patch. One reason please, something besides "THEY ARE TEH EVIL GREEDY CORPORATION OUT TO RAPE THE CONSUMER!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:"

I love playing the game, what I dont love is playing on an uneven battlefield where some loser who sucks at the game has to ruin it for the other people playing.

I honestly dont and will never understand why someone has to cheat in an online game, I mean what do you accomplish? Your e-cock is a little bigger? Who are you going to show it to, people who cheat along with you?

Nor will I. That's not the point though. It will happen, in any online game. Anonymity+distance=assholes. It's sad but true. It's not Infinity Ward's fault that people are idiots.

It pisses me off to no end that people who do cheat, have nothing done to them whatsoever. It ruins the quality of play
Again, not debating that's it's dumb. I can't speak to any consequences glitchers face, I don't know enough about XBL banning protocol, but it is easy to leave bad feedback, report them, etc.. I can honestly say that I've noticed that I've encountered one glitcher, ever. Maybe I've been in games with more, but I haven't noticed. But again, how do you blame Infinity Ward for this? They aren't responsible for people being morons. That's like someone cracking you over the head with a pipe, and you indict the company that made the pipe.

and when they ask you to pay above and beyond the cost of the game after that it really fucking pisses me off.
Christ, again with the DLC? A) $20 bucks max, and B) NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY IT. It's bonus content, for those who wish to have it. No penalty is doled out to you for not getting it.

[El Fangel]

Yeah the XP thing was bad. But wasn't it a hack, rather than a glitch though? Same with the 10th Prestige lobbies? And elevators and wall glitches, big deal.

I am just saying they are in the game and remain in the game, why they arent fixed is what bothers me.


Such as?


Javelin/Care Package Glitches

Idiotic comments at best. Why on Earth would they charge for a patch. One reason please, something besides "THEY ARE TEH EVIL GREEDY CORPORATION OUT TO RAPE THE CONSUMER!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:"

And they arent?


Charging a subscription for a game that we already have to pay another fee to play anyway isnt evil?

And what do/would we get by paying this user fee? a few maps once a year? which are already overpriced as is?

Nor will I. That's not the point though. It will happen, in any online game. Anonymity+distance=assholes. It's sad but true. It's not Infinity Ward's fault that people are idiots.


I agree totally and am happy we are on the same page, but it would be better if they did something about it BEFORE the game came out.

Have betas, have playtesters TRYING to find glitches and things before they put the game out on the market.

I am sure with a couple hundred hours of play among a dozen people they could easily find alot of the bugs in the game

Again, not debating that's it's dumb. I can't speak to any consequences glitchers face, I don't know enough about XBL banning protocol, but it is easy to leave bad feedback, report them, etc.. I can honestly say that I've noticed that I've encountered one glitcher, ever. Maybe I've been in games with more, but I haven't noticed. But again, how do you blame Infinity Ward for this? They aren't responsible for people being morons. That's like someone cracking you over the head with a pipe, and you indict the company that made the pipe.

It would be more like the company handed them the pipe, but thats besides the point.

I cant believe for a second that you only ever encountered one glitcher as I am sure you played during teh care package hell, tell me you didnt see Usain Bolt running around the map knifing people or air support from about 15 seconds in until the match ended or killing someone and not seeing a killcam because of the javelin glitch.


Christ, again with the DLC? A) $20 bucks max, and B) NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY IT. It's bonus content, for those who wish to have it. No penalty is doled out to you for not getting it

I know no penalty is doled out, but look at the sales of this game.

(I checked today its 1400 points for 19.99 so around $18 for the maps)

But at $18 a pop for say half of the games sold (and Im being generous as closer to 80% will likely get it)

That would be $18 x 7,500,000 copies (It sold 7.5 in the first day, so I am being more then fair here)

Which works out to be $135 million dollars. Seeing as 2 maps are pre-existing, the profit per map is $45 million each

[Requiem]

idk.. I would give them more slack if they weren't owned/funded by a company with virtually limitless resources. Not harping on them for releasing maps that may or may not be buggy, as testing only does so much. But in general, I feel things could have been speedier, or they could have at least issued some sort of apology to their customers for taking so long with fixing glitches that were literally ruining the game experience for a while.

While the glitches didn't break the game, they made it completely lack fun for several weeks, nearing a month or better, while people ran rampant getting infinite care packages (and I would argue that that WAS a game-breaking glitch). The game went from "Hey that emblem is cool, how did you get it?" to "I bet you boosted to get that emblem", as well as countless people nuke boosting in FFA, or riot shield boosting all the time. Hell, I stopped playing FFA, which was one of my favorite gametypes, because every other game had nuke boosters in it. And that CAN be prevented by Infinity Ward.

May not seem like a huge deal to you, but companies CAN hotfix things pretty quickly, and a company like Infinity Ward should have had no problems allocating resources to fixing the problems in the game. That said, I am glad they fixed the game at least. I think they did it just in time to prevent a mass exodus away from their game, but it didn't really scream "We care about our players".

[Requiem]

Makes me laugh at the idea that there could ever be a rumor about a Call of Duty MMO, because Infinity Ward would never be able to pull it off and remain a respectable company when the dust settled.

[El Fangel]

idk.. I would give them more slack if they weren't owned/funded by a company with virtually limitless resources. Not harping on them for releasing maps that may or may not be buggy, as testing only does so much. But in general, I feel things could have been speedier, or they could have at least issued some sort of apology to their customers for taking so long with fixing glitches that were literally ruining the game experience for a while.


Exactly my point, its not like they dont have the resources to test or fix whats found. The care package glitch really ruined games for the longest while and there was really no way to stop it as even killing the person doing it didnt stop the non-ending onslaught.

While the glitches didn't break the game, they made it completely lack fun for several weeks, nearing a month or better, while people ran rampant getting infinite care packages (and I would argue that that WAS a game-breaking glitch). The game went from "Hey that emblem is cool, how did you get it?" to "I bet you boosted to get that emblem", as well as countless people nuke boosting in FFA, or riot shield boosting all the time. Hell, I stopped playing FFA, which was one of my favorite gametypes, because every other game had nuke boosters in it. And that CAN be prevented by Infinity Ward.

Just want to point out that if you look at the top of the leaderboards in the game you wont see any skilled players there at all.

May not seem like a huge deal to you, but companies CAN hotfix things pretty quickly, and a company like Infinity Ward should have had no problems allocating resources to fixing the problems in the game. That said, I am glad they fixed the game at least. I think they did it just in time to prevent a mass exodus away from their game, but it didn't really scream "We care about our players".

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[G]

omgggg way too much energy has been put into this dlc fiasco

[El Fangel]

I need to bitch about something dammit.

Since they dont have Creek, Dragonuv or the Skorpion.

Christ I wouldnt be surprised if they re-added 3x Grenades and Wetworks as a "bonus"

[Requiem]

Also important to note that I think they can do whatever they want. If they don't want to patch a game right away, then that's their prerogative. But if they want any respect from their paying customers, or if they want people to pay the price they're asking for DLC (which I personally don't find outrageous, although higher than I would rather), then they need to give their customers a reason to.

[Blitz]

I am just saying they are in the game and remain in the game, why they arent fixed is what bothers me.
How do you blame a company for hacks? If someone posts some weird HTML on here, and it messes things up a bit, IE Hasney or Xero, do you get mad at Trips?

Javelin/Care Package Glitches
Javelindom is loooooong gone. And I haven't seen anything about CP glitching since the last patch.

And they arent?

Charging a subscription for a game that we already have to pay another fee to play anyway isnt evil?

And what do/would we get by paying this user fee? a few maps once a year? which are already overpriced as is?
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen you post. No it isn't fucking evil. Rape is evil. Genocide is evil. Monthly game subscriptions, not so much. And again, you're getting mad about something that COULD happen.

I agree totally and am happy we are on the same page, but it would be better if they did something about it BEFORE the game came out.

Have betas, have playtesters TRYING to find glitches and things before they put the game out on the market.

I am sure with a couple hundred hours of play among a dozen people they could easily find alot of the bugs in the game
They had an internal beta. and of course they have playtesters. That's the fucking purpose of playtesters. Playtesters don't sit around and go through the game leisurely, they try to break it, make it fuck up, etc.. That's how bugs are found. And dude, we're not talking some 8 bit sidescroller here. It's a huge, intricate game, and they're only human. Stuff will slip through the cracks.


I cant believe for a second that you only ever encountered one glitcher as I am sure you played during teh care package hell, tell me you didnt see Usain Bolt running around the map knifing people or air support from about 15 seconds in until the match ended or killing someone and not seeing a killcam because of the javelin glitch.

lol it's the truth buddy. The only glitcher I ever saw was using Javelindom, and I saw him doing it, and never got killed by it. I never noticed the care package glitch. Not saying it didn't happen to me, but I didn't notice it (and I'd assume I would've, considering how OMGWTF GAMEBREAKING it was). The speed thing, nope, unless you're talking about M/L/C, which is not a glitch at all.

I know no penalty is doled out, but look at the sales of this game.

(I checked today its 1400 points for 19.99 so around $18 for the maps)

But at $18 a pop for say half of the games sold (and Im being generous as closer to 80% will likely get it)

That would be $18 x 7,500,000 copies (It sold 7.5 in the first day, so I am being more then fair here)

Which works out to be $135 million dollars. Seeing as 2 maps are pre-existing, the profit per map is $45 million each
Good math. Your point? "Breaking news: Company tries to make money"

[Fignuts]

Every single game has glitches and possible hacks. The more popular a game is, the more are going to pop up, as there are more people looking for them. And this is the most popular game ever.

I don't really fault IW for this, as playtesting, no matter how many people are on the job, is never 100% foolproof.

[Requiem]

Also, the first day the CP glitch became well-known, it was literally all I saw in I'd guess 80% of the games I played, regardless of gametype.

I watched countless people do it on my own team, and saw no end to it from the other teams. Over. And over. And over. And over.

A friend and I played for a few hours one day. We'd back out after the game was over, if CP glitching was going on. Next game we would join, would have it. If we found a game that didn't have it going on, we'd play one.. give it a game or two, and someone would be doing it again. THAT, is how bad it got. This was 'about' the time I started getting into hardcore too, and while it wasn't nearly as bad, I'd say about 1 out of every 3 hardcore games I went into had CP glitching going on.


_____

And yes, the speed thing was a glitch. Marathon/Lightweight/Care Package WAS glitched. The developers even admitted it was glitched.

[Blitz]

And yes, the speed thing was a glitch. Marathon/Lightweight/Care Package WAS glitched. The developers even admitted it was glitched.
How was it a glitch exactly? It's all stuff in the game working as it should. I understand they nerfed Lightweight, which I personally don't think was necessary, but how is it a glitch?

[Blitz]

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What's so retarded, pray tell?

[Johnny McNasty]

And they arent?

Charging a subscription for a game that we already have to pay another fee to play anyway isnt evil?

And what do/would we get by paying this user fee? a few maps once a year? which are already overpriced as is?

This made me chuckle. Especially since what your going crazy about is just a rumor.

[alvarado52]

robble robble robble...you people complain, but you know youll buy the f'ing maps, so how about you STOP complaining or DONT download 'em? The price is abit steep for the DLC standard, but whatchagonnado!?

[Requiem]

How was it a glitch exactly? It's all stuff in the game working as it should. I understand they nerfed Lightweight, which I personally don't think was necessary, but how is it a glitch?

They didn't nerf lightweight. They fixed the care package's weight. Lightweight didn't get slower with anything else.

Because the combination of Lightweight, and a Care Package (marathon was just so you could run forever.. had nothing to do with the glitch), returned the incorrect speed results. It made you run faster than you should have. The developers said this in their patch notes when they finally fixed it.

How you run while holding a care package and lightweight NOW, is how it was supposed to be.

It was similar to how if you equipped 1887s, FMJ + Akimbo, glitched the range on the shotguns and gave them an ungodly range. It wasn't that the 1887's were overpowered necessarily. It was just broken/glitched.

Well, that's how the care package running was. It wasn't meant to make you run like the flash and make it IMPOSSIBLE for someone to knife you (tactical knife or not). But that combination of things made it happen.

[Requiem]

lol at Minch's neg over something like that

[El Fangel]

How do you blame a company for hacks? If someone posts some weird HTML on here, and it messes things up a bit, IE Hasney or Xero, do you get mad at Trips?

Nope, but I do expect Trips to fix it in a timely...well you know what I fucking mean.


Javelindom is loooooong gone. And I haven't seen anything about CP glitching since the last patch.

Not saying its still around, but it was for far too long.


This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen you post. No it isn't fucking evil. Rape is evil. Genocide is evil. Monthly game subscriptions, not so much. And again, you're getting mad about something that COULD happen.

Thinking I compared subscription fees to rape and genocide isnt stupid?


They had an internal beta. and of course they have playtesters. That's the fucking purpose of playtesters. Playtesters don't sit around and go through the game leisurely, they try to break it, make it fuck up, etc.. That's how bugs are found. And dude, we're not talking some 8 bit sidescroller here. It's a huge, intricate game, and they're only human. Stuff will slip through the cracks.


Yes, things should slip through the cracks, as it makes since that they should in a game this large but how did they miss such simple things as the javelin glitch/care package glitch/care package run glitch


lol it's the truth buddy. The only glitcher I ever saw was using Javelindom, and I saw him doing it, and never got killed by it. I never noticed the care package glitch. Not saying it didn't happen to me, but I didn't notice it (and I'd assume I would've, considering how OMGWTF GAMEBREAKING it was). The speed thing, nope, unless you're talking about M/L/C, which is not a glitch at all.

Either you are lucky, dont play the game or didnt notice what was going on because for about 2 weeks straight maybe 1 game out of 20 didnt have people using the care package glitch.

M/L/C + Care Package

Before the patch for the fix, holding a CP smoke can in your hand made you run approx 2.33x normal speed.


Good math. Your point? "Breaking news: Company tries to make money"


You are not getting it are you, charging that much money for almost nothing and horrible customer service is just plain wrong.

Every single game has glitches and possible hacks. The more popular a game is, the more are going to pop up, as there are more people looking for them. And this is the most popular game ever.

I don't really fault IW for this, as playtesting, no matter how many people are on the job, is never 100% foolproof.

I agree, It is not IW's fault completely, it IS however their responsability to fix it as we cant.

Also, the first day the CP glitch became well-known, it was literally all I saw in I'd guess 80% of the games I played, regardless of gametype.

I watched countless people do it on my own team, and saw no end to it from the other teams. Over. And over. And over. And over.

A friend and I played for a few hours one day. We'd back out after the game was over, if CP glitching was going on. Next game we would join, would have it. If we found a game that didn't have it going on, we'd play one.. give it a game or two, and someone would be doing it again. THAT, is how bad it got. This was 'about' the time I started getting into hardcore too, and while it wasn't nearly as bad, I'd say about 1 out of every 3 hardcore games I went into had CP glitching going on.


_____

And yes, the speed thing was a glitch. Marathon/Lightweight/Care Package WAS glitched. The developers even admitted it was glitched.

Everything you said except the hardcore.

How was it a glitch exactly? It's all stuff in the game working as it should. I understand they nerfed Lightweight, which I personally don't think was necessary, but how is it a glitch?

He said Care Package not Commando, also check the note above I made on this.

This made me chuckle. Especially since what your going crazy about is just a rumor.

People werent fired about distancing themselves from subscription rumors?

robble robble robble...you people complain, but you know youll buy the f'ing maps, so how about you STOP complaining or DONT download 'em? The price is abit steep for the DLC standard, but whatchagonnado!?

I didnt buy the map pack because I thought it was bullshit to keep paying for a game that I already paid for once.

[Requiem]

You're paying for the further development of content.

You bought WoW, pay a monthly subscription, AND I bet you bought one or more expansions.

You paid for the game once.. why do you keep paying for it?

[Requiem]

It's worth noting that even though IW has all that money, it's not free to run game servers 24/7 like that. They have to maintain somehow.

[Johnny McNasty]

Nah they did nerf light weight way back around the first month or so after release. Dropped it from a 10% increase in speed to a 7% or something.

Also I hated the Care package running bastards more than anyone, but I wouldn't say it was a glitch, more like an exploit people whored like crazy.

People werent fired about distancing themselves from subscription rumors?


That is also nothing more than a rumor.

[Requiem]

Oh, well that is not what I was talking about then. I didn't even own the game that long ago.

You say exploit, I say glitch. It was a glitch in the code, that people exploited like crazy. How's that? ;)

[El Fangel]

You're paying for the further development of content.

You bought WoW, pay a monthly subscription, AND I bet you bought one or more expansions.

You paid for the game once.. why do you keep paying for it?

Thats why I only play for little spurts, I get pissed that I have to keep paying for it and quit until someone entices me to play again. I have quit again and unlikely to start again.

I didnt pay for either expansion, but thats beside the point.

Its not like they just rehashed the whole starting area and added it in, this add ALOT of new shit when they add an expansion you must admit.

It's worth noting that even though IW has all that money, it's not free to run game servers 24/7 like that. They have to maintain somehow.

Yeah, completely understand that.

However at $60 or more a pop for about 20 million copies, I doubt they are anywheres near short on money.

[Requiem]

They also charge more for that content in store, and charge a monthly fee to help maintain the costs of running those servers and for patching the game.

That's what I'm getting at. How can you justify paying a monthly fee (you still ARE paying a monthly fee, regardless of if you don't do it constantly), but not just SLIGHTLY more (ONCE, no less, possibly twice if more content is released later) for some content and to help with the cost of maintaining such a game.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It's worth noting that even though IW has all that money, it's not free to run game servers 24/7 like that. They have to maintain somehow.

It's not, but their current system barely uses as much resources as a moderatly popular website.

A matchmaking server (which is even ran/owned by MS on Live) and then somewhere to stick XP/Prestiege.

As for the glitches, the amount of time to fix does smack of laze/greed. They already got your money and know they can gouge some more out of you too so why bother with it? People shouldn't bitch so hard if they're going to continue playing though, completley destroys their argument.

[Johnny McNasty]

Oh, well that is not what I was talking about then. I didn't even own the game that long ago.

You say exploit, I say glitch. It was a glitch in the code, that people exploited like crazy. How's that? ;)

I only say it was an exploit because I remember when the care package running was rampant online, one of the cats at infinity ward explained how they intended people to use the speed boost to get somewhere safe to call in there care package.

Either way though I'm sure we can agree that the ass hats that used the MLC + care package where scum.

Also I'm not getting this whole argument about the patches taking too long. As I recall that at least for X-box there was a waiting period where Microsoft had to verify the patch after Infinity Ward had it up and ready to go.

[Requiem]

It's not, but their current system barely uses as much resources as a moderatly popular website.

A matchmaking server (which is even ran/owned by MS on Live) and then somewhere to stick XP/Prestiege.

As for the glitches, the amount of time to fix does smack of laze/greed. They already got your money and know they can gouge some more out of you too so why bother with it? People shouldn't bitch so hard if they're going to continue playing though, completley destroys their argument.

Wasn't aware of the hosting thing.

Basically. The reason there's no point in bitching, is because 5 maps are easily worth $15. To refuse to buy it just cause they tacked on a couple extra bucks is nitpicking. You're going to play the game regardless, and depriving yourself of more content that could possibly refresh the game for you, just because they charged a few bucks more than it was worth... that's just dumb.

[El Fangel]

They also charge more for that content in store, and charge a monthly fee to help maintain the costs of running those servers and for patching the game.

That's what I'm getting at. How can you justify paying a monthly fee (you still ARE paying a monthly fee, regardless of if you don't do it constantly), but not just SLIGHTLY more (ONCE, no less, possibly twice if more content is released later) for some content and to help with the cost of maintaining such a game.

Didnt I just say that I quit because I got pissed that I am always paying for it.

Wasn't aware of the hosting thing.

Basically. The reason there's no point in bitching, is because 5 maps are easily worth $15. To refuse to buy it just cause they tacked on a couple extra bucks is nitpicking. You're going to play the game regardless, and depriving yourself of more content that could possibly refresh the game for you, just because they charged a few bucks more than it was worth... that's just dumb.

I would pay for the content much easier if I knew for certain it wouldnt be filled with glitches/wall bugs/etc.

Its not like IW has a great track record with these things.

I will likely eventually get it because one map is a sniper haven which does have my interest along with overgrown which was fun.

I kinda miss ambush though, that map was the shit.

[Requiem]

*facedesk*

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Correct me if I'm wrong because I've played like 2 games of MW2 that wasn't on a dedicated server, but weren't the glitches all over the game and not map specific? As in, new maps won't break that?

FA, you have 3 choices:

1) Continue playing the game that you paid for without the extra maps. I know, I know. Not having the extra maps somehow takes away from the original game. I personally get up in arms with the fishermen when I can't afford the caviar for my salmon.

2) Buy the maps and pray to Allah they work glitch free

3) End it all, knowing that Activision/IW have made this world uninhabitable with their business practices.

I GUESS you could stop playing the game as well, but we know that won't happen now, don't we?

[Kalyx triaD]

I says before I says again: It's the fucking community. IW can only do so much, and they're responses to issues were 'post-haste' compared to other teams. At some point you need to rally against the assholes ruining your experience. No company wants their game to be shredded.

Yes, I know they should have had a beta. Yes, Activision was arrogant in that regard. But still, cut them some slack. MW2 is still a well put together game. I'm being extra civil this instant, considering my current poison of the genre, but there are degrees.

And quit being pussies about spending 15$ on a bunch of maps. Activision charged nearly 10$ for a song pack on DJ Hero. They're doing this because gamers are shilling for other bullshit they pulled. So again, hollar at your constituents.

[alvarado52]

I says before I says again: It's the fucking community. IW can only do so much, and they're responses to issues were 'post-haste' compared to other teams. At some point you need to rally against the assholes ruining your experience. No company wants their game to be shredded.

Yes, I know they should have had a beta. Yes, Activision was arrogant in that regard. But still, cut them some slack. MW2 is still a well put together game. I'm being extra civil this instant, considering my current poison of the genre, but there are degrees.

And quit being pussies about spending 15$ on a bunch of maps. Activision charged nearly 10$ for a song pack on DJ Hero. They're doing this because gamers are shilling for other bullshit they pulled. So again, hollar at your constituents.

:y: my thoughts exactly

[Blitz]

Nope, but I do expect Trips to fix it in a timely...well you know what I fucking mean.
Well you better go yell at Trips, because it hasn't been fixed. What's a timely manner? The major glitches have all been patched within a week or two, and it would've been quicker if not the need for Microsoft certification.

Not saying its still around, but it was for far too long.
We're arguing semantics here, because obviously for you a couple of weeks is an eternity. I don't feel the same.

Thinking I compared subscription fees to rape and genocide isnt stupid?
Well, you called it evil, chief. That's a retarded choice of words, is the point I was trying to make. Clearly that flew over your head.

Yes, things should slip through the cracks, as it makes since that they should in a game this large but how did they miss such simple things as the javelin glitch/care package glitch/care package run glitch

Why do you assume it's simple? I'm not gonna pretend I know anything about coding a game, but I don't think it's that easy. It's not like there's some line of code that says "make care package=infinite" that they just forgot to take out.

Either you are lucky, dont play the game or didnt notice what was going on because for about 2 weeks straight maybe 1 game out of 20 didnt have people using the care package glitch.

M/L/C + Care Package

Before the patch for the fix, holding a CP smoke can in your hand made you run approx 2.33x normal speed.

Then I guess I'm the luckiest person to ever play the game, because I didn't notice it. The care package running, yes I saw that. I may have been knifed by it a few times, but certainly not to the point where I was throwing my controller or anything.

You are not getting it are you, charging that much money for almost nothing and horrible customer service is just plain wrong.
Oh fuck off with your hyperbole. It's not "almost nothing", it's 5 maps. If it was $10, most people would be fine with it. But an extra $5, and Activison is Satan incarnate.

[Miotch]

Heaven fucking forbid a company try to maximize their profits. $15 isn't fuck all anyways. Just don't go to the bar one night you normally would, and you could buy the map pack for yourself AND a friend or two.

[Splaya]

I cannot believe that Fallen Angel is really still arguing about this. Stop being a whiney penis and either buy the DLC or not. Whatever you do, this forum, myself, and InfinityWard are not going to lose sleep because your being a fucking faggot and won't shell over 15 extra dollars.

[El Fangel]

Well you better go yell at Trips, because it hasn't been fixed. What's a timely manner? The major glitches have all been patched within a week or two, and it would've been quicker if not the need for Microsoft certification.

Cant argue with you there.


We're arguing semantics here, because obviously for you a couple of weeks is an eternity. I don't feel the same.

Almost a month of non-stop cheating does frustrate a person when they just want to play and have fun.


Well, you called it evil, chief. That's a retarded choice of words, is the point I was trying to make. Clearly that flew over your head.

and you comparing it to rape and genocide is not retarded?


Why do you assume it's simple? I'm not gonna pretend I know anything about coding a game, but I don't think it's that easy. It's not like there's some line of code that says "make care package=infinite" that they just forgot to take out.

I mean the actions to do the glitches are quite simple, if people were trying to break the game, they would or should be messing around with stuff like that.

Also forgot to mention the mounted gun/One man army/riot shield glitch I encounted it on wasteland and while flanking works its annoying as fuck when your teammates are lemmings.

To do the glitch, have the riot shield out, use one man army to change to the class with the riot, grab the mounted gun, when you change classes you are using the mounted gun AND the riot shield making you nigh invincible except from behind.

Not a terribly bad cheat, but one that should likely have been found.

Then I guess I'm the luckiest person to ever play the game, because I didn't notice it. The care package running, yes I saw that. I may have been knifed by it a few times, but certainly not to the point where I was throwing my controller or anything.

Then yes you were as Requiem and myself have both stated it was difficult to find a match where this wasnt going on for about 3-4 weeks.


Oh fuck off with your hyperbole. It's not "almost nothing", it's 5 maps. If it was $10, most people would be fine with it. But an extra $5, and Activison is Satan incarnate.

They are charging for maps they already made, so the production cost of 2/5ths of it is negligible.

Heaven fucking forbid a company try to maximize their profits. $15 isn't fuck all anyways. Just don't go to the bar one night you normally would, and you could buy the map pack for yourself AND a friend or two.

I dont go to the bar, because they overprice and water down their drinks.

[CSL]

You're like a parody of one of those angry little people. Only real.

[El Fangel]

Real parody, thats cute.

[D Mac]

IW is looking at this thread and saying ZOMG!

[Blitz]

and you comparing it to rape and genocide is not retarded?
This seems to have flown so far over your head that I feel like you're just putting me on at this point. I never thought you were comparing subscription fees to rape and genocide. I was using those things, which are truly evil, to show just how idiotic your use of the word evil to describe charging a monthly fee is. Do I need to draw you a diagram of this?

They are charging for maps they already made, so the production cost of 2/5ths of it is negligible.
The old maps still need to be recoded to put into the new game. Not like they just copy and paste the code off the MW1 disc. Why would you talk about production cost when you have no idea what it costs/the work that goes into one of these packs?

You seem to have the idea that making a game/content is easy and quick. Again, not pretending to be an expert on coding/making games, but I know it's a pretty complicated thing. Takes time and money. This has gone from a discussion of glitches to including the DLC too. I do not debate that the DLC is slightly overpriced. And I mean slightly. The fact that it's just slightly overpriced is why I don't care. I'd gladly pay $10 for it, so an extra $5, what I might spend on a single drink at a bar, is not a big deal. People are just going crazy because it's turned into "EVIL ACTIVISION RAPING OUR WALLETS". Few seem to care that it will be fun playing these new maps. $15 isn't much to pay for that, to me at least.

Regarding glitches, I understand frustration if you're encountering them constantly. I'm seemingly lucky enough to not have this, and I play the damn thing nearly every day. But castigating the company for taking too long (re-a couple of weeks) to fix them, and berating them that game code isn't absolutely flawless in the first place is asinine. Blame the community of 12 year olds and retards who get off on trying to spoil the game for others. Like Fig said, every game has glitches. The more complicated and ambitious games are, the more you'll see them, because it's impossible to check every single thing you can do in any game. Even if there weren't glitches, people will still find something to bitch about (IE the constant "Gun X/Perk X is so overpowered!!!!11!" that you already see on boards).

I'm not saying glitches aren't annoying, but fuck's sake, acting like the company that made it have somehow completely failed because it's not perfect is extremely stupid.

[El Fangel]

This seems to have flown so far over your head that I feel like you're just putting me on at this point. I never thought you were comparing subscription fees to rape and genocide. I was using those things, which are truly evil, to show just how idiotic your use of the word evil to describe charging a monthly fee is. Do I need to draw you a diagram of this?


The old maps still need to be recoded to put into the new game. Not like they just copy and paste the code off the MW1 disc. Why would you talk about production cost when you have no idea what it costs/the work that goes into one of these packs?

You seem to have the idea that making a game/content is easy and quick. Again, not pretending to be an expert on coding/making games, but I know it's a pretty complicated thing. Takes time and money. This has gone from a discussion of glitches to including the DLC too. I do not debate that the DLC is slightly overpriced. And I mean slightly. The fact that it's just slightly overpriced is why I don't care. I'd gladly pay $10 for it, so an extra $5, what I might spend on a single drink at a bar, is not a big deal. People are just going crazy because it's turned into "EVIL ACTIVISION RAPING OUR WALLETS". Few seem to care that it will be fun playing these new maps. $15 isn't much to pay for that, to me at least.

Regarding glitches, I understand frustration if you're encountering them constantly. I'm seemingly lucky enough to not have this, and I play the damn thing nearly every day. But castigating the company for taking too long (re-a couple of weeks) to fix them, and berating them that game code isn't absolutely flawless in the first place is asinine. Blame the community of 12 year olds and retards who get off on trying to spoil the game for others. Like Fig said, every game has glitches. The more complicated and ambitious games are, the more you'll see them, because it's impossible to check every single thing you can do in any game. Even if there weren't glitches, people will still find something to bitch about (IE the constant "Gun X/Perk X is so overpowered!!!!11!" that you already see on boards).

I'm not saying glitches aren't annoying, but fuck's sake, acting like the company that made it have somehow completely failed because it's not perfect is extremely stupid.

You said that I compared subscription costs to rape/genocide, I didnt.
Now ill make it clear, rape/genocide is the most evil heinous crime one can commit, its the extremity. I view subscription cost doubling as only slightly evil. So leave it at that.

I do not have any idea about production costs but honestly how long do you think it took to make crash work for MW2 compared to the new map Salvage? I know it isnt a copy and paste but its like building a house if you want to do it like that.

Crash - framework and walls are already up, you just have to do the wiring and its good to go

Salvage - you have to dig the foundation first.

I guess you are right, it isnt there fault as sad fuckers will always look for a way to have a leg up on everyone else in the game.

However, taking so long to recognize and fix the problem is what my qualm is with it. The CP glitch was horrible and was around for probably a full month, it wasnt like boosting/MLC - CP/javelindom which was all counterable, this glitch once someone got 3 kills (with hardline) basically meant the match was over, because you couldnt stop it, or couldnt very easily. To spot it you somehow had to ninja your way to the drop location and steal the crates which was anything but easy. This ruined like millions of games because the match ending was decided about 60 seconds in.

So you either back out, take a loss and try again or play and have your k/d screwed royally due to the insane amount of gunners/ac130/choppers and harriers that were overhead.

How you never encountered this is unbelievable, as I and Req have said it was nigh impossible to find a match without it happening.

Hell I ever stated I had scavenger + cold blooded on and shot down 27 air support during the course of a match.

Also the M$ certification is bullshit, it took a fix even longer to get done.

And lastly with XboxLive, we pay whatever a month for about the same that PSN gets in terms of service.

It irks me when my money is wasted on something, thats what I am saying.

[Blitz]

You said that I compared subscription costs to rape/genocide, I didnt.
Now ill make it clear, rape/genocide is the most evil heinous crime one can commit, its the extremity. I view subscription cost doubling as only slightly evil. So leave it at that.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. You are being purposefully dense right now. Here is what I wrote:
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen you post. No it isn't fucking evil. Rape is evil. Genocide is evil. Monthly game subscriptions, not so much.
Show me in there where I said you were saying that monthly fees are the same as rape or genocide. I said these 2 things are evil, this thing is not. I was doing that because you obviously have no conception of the word evil, and I wanted to give you a comparison of what it ACTUALLY MEANS.

I do not have any idea about production costs but honestly how long do you think it took to make crash work for MW2 compared to the new map Salvage? I know it isnt a copy and paste but its like building a house if you want to do it like that.

Crash - framework and walls are already up, you just have to do the wiring and its good to go

Salvage - you have to dig the foundation first.
I don't know, Icebox. I readily admit to having no idea. The difference is I'm erring on the side of caution and thinking it's probably more difficult, while you seem to be taking the side that you can just throw it up there in no time.

However, taking so long to recognize and fix the problem is what my qualm is with it. The CP glitch was horrible and was around for probably a full month, it wasnt like boosting/MLC - CP/javelindom which was all counterable, this glitch once someone got 3 kills (with hardline) basically meant the match was over, because you couldnt stop it, or couldnt very easily. To spot it you somehow had to ninja your way to the drop location and steal the crates which was anything but easy. This ruined like millions of games because the match ending was decided about 60 seconds in.

So you either back out, take a loss and try again or play and have your k/d screwed royally due to the insane amount of gunners/ac130/choppers and harriers that were overhead.

How you never encountered this is unbelievable, as I and Req have said it was nigh impossible to find a match without it happening.

Hell I ever stated I had scavenger + cold blooded on and shot down 27 air support during the course of a match.
There's nothing I can say to this. I don't debate that it can kill fun. But, I never saw it. Lucky, I guess. The reason it took a month, however, is that they patched it once, then people found another way to do it.

Also the M$ certification is bullshit, it took a fix even longer to get done.
So what's IW supposed to do about that?

And lastly with XboxLive, we pay whatever a month for about the same that PSN gets in terms of service.
Why even bring Xbox Live into this? What's Activision supposed to do about Microsoft charging a fee?

It irks me when my money is wasted on something, thats what I am saying.
What are you talking about here? If you mean the DLC, again, no one's making you buy it.

[Fignuts]

It isn't any kind of evil, for god's sake.

What the fuck is going on here?

[Johnny McNasty]

Also not so sure what all the fuss about the addition of two old maps from COD 4 is all about. I remember seeing on a lot of forums how people wanted some maps from COD 4 brought into MW2. I think it was highly fan appreciative of them to add Crash and Overgrown, when they could've of easily just went with the three new maps for 15 bucks.

[El Fangel]

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. You are being purposefully dense right now. Here is what I wrote:

Show me in there where I said you were saying that monthly fees are the same as rape or genocide. I said these 2 things are evil, this thing is not. I was doing that because you obviously have no conception of the word evil, and I wanted to give you a comparison of what it ACTUALLY MEANS.

Ok, lets just leave it. I think they are being assholes (not evil)


I don't know, Icebox. I readily admit to having no idea. The difference is I'm erring on the side of caution and thinking it's probably more difficult, while you seem to be taking the side that you can just throw it up there in no time.

I also admit to having no idea, but I agree with you in the fact that the games take months if not years to make and things do fall through the cracks. I just wish the process of pluggnig the crack was a bit faster. I really enjoy the game and when people cheat it really ruins it.


There's nothing I can say to this. I don't debate that it can kill fun. But, I never saw it. Lucky, I guess. The reason it took a month, however, is that they patched it once, then people found another way to do it.

Yeah, agreed here. Thing is the way they did it was very similar to the first time, which bugs me that they didn't have someone test it to see if it could be broken again and if someone did test it, then why the hell did it still get through.


So what's IW supposed to do about that?

Nothing, because I know they cant do nothing about the wait time.


Why even bring Xbox Live into this? What's Activision supposed to do about Microsoft charging a fee?

Customer service comparison for paying a fee for something.


What are you talking about here? If you mean the DLC, again, no one's making you buy it.

I am talking about everything I spend money on.

[El Fangel]

Also not so sure what all the fuss about the addition of two old maps from COD 4 is all about. I remember seeing on a lot of forums how people wanted some maps from COD 4 brought into MW2. I think it was highly fan appreciative of them to add Crash and Overgrown, when they could've of easily just went with the three new maps for 15 bucks.

Yeah, they didnt bring back wetworks, I will give them that.

They should bring back the Dragonuv and Skorpion which were both fan favs though.

[Miotch]

I dont go to the bar, because they overprice and water down their drinks.

OK then buy the generic tampons next month you fucking crybaby woman.

[Fignuts]

OK then buy the generic tampons next month you fucking crybaby woman.

Go to a different bar? Buy bottles instead of draft?

[El Fangel]

OK then buy the generic tampons next month you fucking crybaby woman.

I re-use a cloth rag, no point in wasting money.

Go to a different bar? Buy bottles instead of draft?

Every bar is overpriced, seriously its $38 for a 24 of beer. Which is about $1.60 per beer, which goes for $4-5.

Then they expect a tip, which I oblige because they dont set the price, but $5-6 for a $1.50 beer is a bit much.

$3-4 I would not mind.

[El Fangel]

Anwyas, I will likely get the map pack like I said, I wont be happy about the price I paid for it but oh well.

If they do subscription, I will just find another game to play (Likely Halo or something)

[D Mac]

If they went to subscription I wonder how many people would be stupid enough to get it.

I know I won't.

[D Mac]

If they do subscription, I will just find another game to play (Likely Halo or something)

Battlefield: Bad Company 2

[Vietnamese Crippler]

There's also the new Medal of Honor: "Modern Warfare".

[moonface]

Has anyone done the special oops? Wow are they hard.

[alvarado52]

everyone bitching about the price of the maps, go to kmart, use this coupon (http://www.kmart.com/ue/home/KM_Coupon_Renaissance_NYC.pdf), and pick up 1600 points for $10 and stop bitching.

[G]

Has anyone done the special oops? Wow are they hard.

wait till you do the last few on vet

[D Mac]

what's a kmart

[G]

kmart is wise to the situation, as the story has been blown all over the interwebs. some stores are now refusing to take it.

[G]

but i did print out 6 copies and will give it a shot tomorrow

[moonface]

wait till you do the last few on vet

it's hard enough on the reguler level let alone vet ha.


Also fallen angel are you for real lol @ this thread.

[OssMan]

everyone bitching about the price of the maps, go to kmart, use this coupon (http://www.kmart.com/ue/home/KM_Coupon_Renaissance_NYC.pdf), and pick up 1600 points for $10 and stop bitching.
What the fuck, you can only use it in New York City, dick

[El Fangel]

it's hard enough on the reguler level let alone vet ha.


Also fallen angel are you for real lol @ this thread.

Not really, I plan on getting it.

Just pissed at the rehashing of the maps and selling them again.

Oh and still pissed at how many people cheat in this game.

[moonface]

I re-use a cloth rag, no point in wasting money.



Every bar is overpriced, seriously its $38 for a 24 of beer. Which is about $1.60 per beer, which goes for $4-5.

Then they expect a tip, which I oblige because they dont set the price, but $5-6 for a $1.50 beer is a bit much.

$3-4 I would not mind.

Nearly $40 for 24 beers?? What are they pint cans of stellar or sumet? A 24 pack of beer is usually around £13 - £15 depending on beer over here. Sometimes they have offers on like 3 crates for £20 which is really good.

[El Fangel]

You do realize the pound is worth like 2.2-2.5 more then the canadian dollar right...

[alvarado52]

What the fuck, you can only use it in New York City, dick

worked fine for me, you little shit nugget, and i live in Los Angeles.

[El Fangel]

Been getting in alot of glitched games lately, where you run like Usian Bolt. Literally ran around Rundown in about 5 seconds.

Anyone else getting this?

[alvarado52]

Yeah, i got in one yesterday....unfortunately, i couldnt tell who the host was or else i'd have filed a complain on his ass. Any game that is like that is due to a jtag'd console hosting the game. I thought it was funny i said it and some guy was like 'no, its just migrating hosts alot', like i dont know my shit.

[El Fangel]

usually its the dude with the best connection, I reported him.

[alvarado52]

yeah, but in mine there were about 3 people who consistently had 4 bars, so i couldnt tell.

Sometimes those hacks are harmless, but its also those same fucks who are capable of making you go negative xp in matches.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, pretty annoying.

Funny as hell first time, but the next 5-6 was pissing me off.

[D Mac]

Nope, still no glitchers on my end.

[Requiem]

Wow, just got 2 different ones in a row. :|

[alvarado52]

those jtag consoles are easy as shit to spot from Microsofts end...if you file a complaint, itll get them banned soon.

[Blitz]

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All look pretty nice. Bailout looks like my favourite right now.

[El Fangel]

So blitz, have you got into any of the games we are describing or is your luck still uncanny?

By the way, there is no denying when you get into one of these matches as you move like crazy.

Will watch that video when I get home, pretty excited to see it :)

[Blitz]

I've not played in probably a week due to school stuff, so I couldn't tell you.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

I played some ground war today and didnt have a problem. Yesterday I was having the crack head syndrome in TDM but when I switched into 3rd person it was fine.

[Savio]

MW2 just came out :(

[El Fangel]

Bailout definitely looks like my favorite, Salvage I dont think I will like too much though dont know why and Storm I am unsure about, just looks too confined though I did like Vacant in COD4

[Kalyx triaD]

Salvage looks terrible. Like seriously a subpar map design for any FPS created in the year 2009/10. I'm not being cynical or overly dramatic, either.

[G]

can't believe i am thinking about not getting the map pack. usually i am all over these things.

[El Fangel]

Bailout and Overgrown is tempting, the others not so much.

[D Mac]

What? Crash is the greatest. :mad:

[El Fangel]

Perhaps the meatgrind that was domination on crash turns me off.

[G]

dunno, always enjoyed camping in that 2nd floor room in the corner with a claymore set up on the stairs and sniping the people on the 3rd floor roof

[alvarado52]

i'd still rather have Downpour.

[G]

i don't think i need to say what i want

[El Fangel]

I never played Creek :(

Would be nice to have Ambush, that one was the shit for sniping.

[Blitz]

Downpour is awful. Not even a huge fan of Overgrown. Wish Bog or Vacant would come back.

[El Fangel]

Vacant was terrible at times except TDM. Domination was horrible because if you got trapped defending C, their whole team could easily pin you in there and fire noobtubes and grenades in.

Otherwise the SMG/Shotgun goodness it brought was great.

Bog I found annoying at times to be honest, there is nothing you can continually do and do good, medium range you will get screwed by snipers, short you will get killed by medium, the map is a clusterfuck whenever I played it.

Overgrown was hateful as fuck people people kept glitching into the ground in the trench but overall I loved it when people didnt.

[G]

Downpour is awful. Not even a huge fan of Overgrown. Wish Bog or Vacant would come back.

downpour is amazing when you have a team who has a "system" and knows what their place is. we would always hold the top of the hill at the stone wall and dominate.



...until they learn and lob a grenade over the wall :(

[Blitz]

Bog I found annoying at times to be honest, there is nothing you can continually do and do good, medium range you will get screwed by snipers, short you will get killed by medium, the map is a clusterfuck whenever I played it.
I tend to prefer maps that favour wide open combat, and bog was perfect for that. Loved sniping on it, or flanking all around and getting behind the other team.

[El Fangel]

I tend to prefer maps that favour wide open combat, and bog was perfect for that. Loved sniping on it, or flanking all around and getting behind the other team.

Sniping was great on there, until people started with the noobtubes.

It wasnt a bad map, just I prefer doing one thing the whole match and you couldnt do it on Bog and stay alive long.

I always found laying on the side of the hill in the middle with the dragonuv and sniping the spawn I did the best.

[Johnny McNasty]

Getting a chopper on Bog was always the best, as it would come in and annihilate everything in sight.

[El Fangel]

Jesus, to think I used to have trouble sometimes getting a chopper and on MW2, I start out my killstreaks at 5

[alvarado52]

airstrikes and choppers were much more lethal though in MW....but then again, everything was because that game focused more on realism and less on forgiveness (surving claymores) and noob perks

[Johnny McNasty]

Oh the claymore bullshit in this game has always pissed me off. Let me just list things that counter and make your claymore useless.

Scrambler Pro
Sitrep
Lightweight
Blast Shield

All of those are pretty obvious, and are okay in my book. Still a little too many counters though.

Marathon
Painkiller
Running w/o marathon or lightweight
Jumping
Commando

These on the other hand are just ridiculous and irritate the piss out of me every time. Would love to get a patch that ups the damage and radius of claymores.

[El Fangel]

As a sniper, I whole heartingly agree.

[El Fangel]

Nothing pisses me off more then some ass Hoganing the claymore, sprinting up and shotgunning you.

Perhaps noobtubes, but thats another story.

Though how the fuck does a perk like Danger Close work?

[G]

i dunno, when i did my run with claymores, i racked in the challenges pretty quick. maybe this was before everyone knew how to really counter them or something.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, once you see a killcam how someone no sold it then killed you, the knowledge gets around a bit quickly.

[Shaggy]

Does anyone know if you can reset your stats back to 0?

My wifes nephew comes over alot and apparently while I have been at work he has been on playing my Modern Warfare 2 game online. Now Im one of those people who hates it when people get achievements for me. If its my file then I want to be the one who gets the shit. Well turns out that he has raised me like 10 levels and knocked a bunch of awards out for me and im a little pissed.

Is there no way to reset this?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Does anyone know if you can reset your stats back to 0?

My wifes nephew comes over alot and apparently while I have been at work he has been on playing my Modern Warfare 2 game online. Now Im one of those people who hates it when people get achievements for me. If its my file then I want to be the one who gets the shit. Well turns out that he has raised me like 10 levels and knocked a bunch of awards out for me and im a little pissed.

Is there no way to reset this?

Not without a new gamertag/PSN id.

[El Fangel]

You can delete game history from your dashboard, I cant remember how exactly but its possible.

I am not sure if that resets the achievement score though.

[CSL]

Try getting in contact with Sony or Microsoft, they might be able to do it for you

[Requiem]

Or you could just get on with your life and not worry about it since achievements don't MEAN anything, and you can still complete challenges again (not the achievements, but the challenges themselves) each prestige.

[D Mac]

Achievements do mean a little something, a brief sense of self satisfaction anyway.

[FearedSanctity]

Don't think there's much you can do to reset, but you should put a passcode on your shit there guy

[El Fangel]

Need to buy more points, did a name change tonight.

Need another 600 I think.

[El Fangel]

I dont have proof, so just take my word.

I just went 62-4-0 collectively in 3 straight matches and have been posting insane numbers all night, went from like 2800 more kills then deaths to like 3150

[D Mac]

Bought 2000 points. Ready for the maps.

[alvarado52]

March 26, 2010 - Infinity Ward community manager Robert Bowling says the developer was not responsible for the unusually high price of the Stimulus Package, the first downloadable map pack for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

Bowling told IGN it's up to publisher Activision on what to ultimately charge gamers for downloadable content (DLC).

"Activision sets the pricing for downloadable content," Bowling explained. "It's our job on the Infinity Ward side to focus on the creative aspect of the Stimulus Package, such as the art, creation, the direction of the DLC and the content as a whole."

The pack will be released first on Xbox Live next Tuesday for 1200 Microsoft points ($15) and contains five maps, two of which already appeared in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. A pack of three new multiplayer maps has traditionally cost 800 Microsoft points ($10).

"Personally, as someone who plays a lot of Modern Warfare 2, having the option to get additional content for the multiplayer that adds a lot of mileage to my online playtime is fantastic," Bowling added. "Especially the maps in The Stimulus Package that I know will give me, personally, endless more hours online and that's something that's worth it to me."

Activision has not announced the release date for the PlayStation 3 and PC versions of the Stimulus Package.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not to you, Alva, but publishers setting DLC prices is common knowledge. If IW was specifically getting shit for this that's another strike against ungrateful gamers.

[Blitz]

*idiotic gamers.

[El Fangel]

Picking up a point card on monday, remember people, VTS on Salvage.

[Blitz]

Not gonna post a new thread since it's only rumours at this point, but game sites are reporting that someone at Activision leaked some details about Call of Duty 7. Supposedly it will be called Call of Duty: Black Ops, and it takes place in a variety of time periods between WW2 and modern day.

Take it with a large grain of salt. http://www.mapmodnews.com/article.php?story=More-Call-of-Duty-7-Details-Revealed

[El Fangel]

That sounds a bit dumb to be honest.

[D Mac]

I like the idea. I bet there will be a shit load of different and new weapons in MP.

[Kalyx triaD]

Would the multiplayer be compatible with an approach like that? Would WW2 maps allow Vietnam weapons? Sounds sloppy and desperate.

[El Fangel]

What Kalyx said, I mean how good can a BAR be against an ACR/M16/Scar-H

[RoXer]

I would assume all weapons would stay in their era/maps or however they plan on doing it.

[alvarado52]

i had the WORST night last night. Not that I played bad...but it was one of those nights where you say 'fuck, i hate this community'.

- Modded game where every care package was a nuke that didnt go off for 1500 minutes

- 3 straight games where a team was boosting for nukes, and the asshole we kept calling out would leave, come into the game, and not bother trying to capture ANY positions, and just run into the opposite team to die

- 2 games where the team we were on didnt give a rat ass about winning a Domination game, instead opting to try to get their K/D up.

- switched to another game, and played 3 games where the OPPOSITE team didnt care about winning capture the flag, instead just camping for kills, making shit very boring.

- and capped off with some annoying ass kids were just annoying fucks who were talking shit about their k/d and quick scoping skills, while losing the match. When told that k/d isnt that impressive in a skirmish game and they should go play deathmatch and put their ass on the line, they got even more annoying.

Yeah.

[El Fangel]

I would assume all weapons would stay in their era/maps or however they plan on doing it.

How would multiplayer work for custom classes then?

[RoXer]

It would only be customizable to the era your game mode/map is in.

Everyone is in the lobby. A map in the vietnam era pops up. Everyone vetos it and it moves on to a WWII era map. All weapons/perks/classes are from the WWII era. Common sense.

Of course, it's all speculation so I don't really feel like wasting my breath.

[D Mac]

Yeah have like 2 Custom classes per era.

[Emperor Smeat]

If its really going to be based off of Black Ops stuff then the game might be similar to Splinter Cell in terms of gameplay ideas (espionage, assassinations, etc).

Probably end up as a sniper for Vietnam Era since that was the main solo or small group teams for special missions.

[Kalyx triaD]

"Black Ops" does not entail Splinter Cell gameplay, nor do I expect CoD to go anywhere near that style.

[Emperor Smeat]

Well not exactly Splinter Cell gameplay but the idea behind it of how your basically doing missions that normally would be against the laws of war or stuff that would get any government in huge trouble if it was leaked out.

[Kalyx triaD]

That still seems weird for a CoD title. Is Treyarch doing this still?

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah this is their year for CoD since last year was Infinity Ward. I think next year is when the 3rd studio is added to the mix.

It was originally rumored to be set in Vietnam but I wouldn't be surprised if the new Medal of Honor set in Afghanistan made Activision change the plans for the next Call of Duty game.

[Kalyx triaD]

I actually like the Vietnam setting. Something about the jungle and the Rolling Stones gets me in the mood for swearing and shooting shit.

[D Mac]

Shooting GOOKS

[Kalyx triaD]

Clean socks.

[El Fangel]

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6148/beastlyasfuck.jpg


Was playing with my clan last night doing domination matches, dropped my first nuke after going 40-1 :D

Love playing with a good coordinated team, who gives great info.

Firewall was the assault man, kept them pinned back and when someone got too close to him...BOOM Headshot.

Paulie stayed about 200 yards out from me covering B/C at the corner and had claymores set up incase I couldnt get the guy before he rounded the corner.

The rest of my team played support roles in keeping 2/3 flags at all times.

Sadly, I could have posted a much better score, as I got excited and dropped the nuke as soon as I got it instead of continuing :(

Anyways, just had to post this :)

The other team actually did very well in the previous match, but we just gave them a beating in this one.

[D Mac]

I actually like the Vietnam setting. Something about the jungle and the Rolling Stones gets me in the mood for swearing and shooting shit.

If they have a Vietnam setting they MUST and I mean absolutely MUST have this guy's voice in it.

http://spc.fotolog.com/photo/44/23/81/kurogane/1210280434_f.jpg

[#BROKEN Hasney]

ISSUES

http://www.destructoid.com/lol-modern-warfare-2-stimulus-pack-has-launch-issues-169344.phtml



Just forked over $15 for a handful of Modern Warfare 2 maps? Good luck trying to get it going! A number of Xbox 360 users are reporting that the Stimulus Pack DLC isn't launching on Xbox Live. The pack can be downloaded and players can get as far as the lobby, but when they do, the game just perpetually counts down and never actually gets a game going.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and Major Nelson has confirmed that engineers are working on a fix. Apparently, it needs a title update which will launch soon.

Modern Warfare 2 having problems with its online component? Why, who ever could have imagined such a thing? Seems like par for the course, to be honest, although made all the more aggravating thanks to the arrogant decision to charge users 1200 f*cking MS Points for the privilege.

[RoXer]

Thank god. I thought I was the only one.

[RoXer]

Actually, that's not whats happening for me. It keeps saying I need to dl an update but when I try, it has connection problems.

[CSL]

Yeah, people crying on Facebook about this. One said something about an update being out and it still not working.

http://www.mobilityfreedom.org/images/STAR%20dropping%20the%20proverbial%20ball.gif

[El Fangel]

Now people can understand why I didnt want to get it.

It doesnt fucking work on the VERY first day.

[Requiem]

Yeah, cause that's the 'glitches' you were worried about. :roll:

[El Fangel]

Didnt I say something would be wrong with it? Pretty fucked you cant even play the other maps either.

[D Mac]

Did they add them to the regular rotation?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Fuck sake relax. You can't play the game for a day, how awful. I'm crying right now for you.

[El Fangel]

Did they add them to the regular rotation?

Cant tell, as the servers are down but at the bottom of the match types there is Stimulus and Hardcore Stimulus

Fuck sake relax. You can't play the game for a day, how awful. I'm crying right now for you.

Aww, well dont waste your tears on me, ive been playing NHL 2k9

[El Capitano Gatisto]

If you actually went and bought it after bitching about it all at length then it is just more evidence of what a complete tit you are.

[Miotch]

I get the impression that Fallen Angel is never really happy with anything in life.

[El Fangel]

If you actually went and bought it after bitching about it all at length then it is just more evidence of what a complete tit you are.

I didnt buy it, dont think I will until I am sure everything is fixed first.

Friends said Bailout alone is worth it.

I get the impression that Fallen Angel is never really happy with anything in life.

No, I am not.

[alvarado52]

I didnt buy it


*coughbullshitisawyouplayingbailoutaround10amcough*

[El Fangel]

Say what? I was playing Bailout at 10am? I dont know who the hell you saw but it wasnt me playing it.

I was playing Rust with a group of friends in a private match around 10am (AST)

[Requiem]

lol

[El Fangel]

Go fuck yourselves,the lot of you.

[CSL]

lol

[El Fangel]

Just played 10 matches, went 45-112, jesus really off tonight.

[G]

omg stop nobody keeps up with that

[Blitz]

Xbox Live won't let me buy points to get it :mad:

[alvarado52]

i just went 10173-7942 over the last 3 months. Ive been really hit or miss lately.

[El Fangel]

Nice.

Anyways, anyone notice anything a bit off while they have been playing? I stabbed a guy 3 times with Tac Knife and he killed me in last stand.

Stick a guy with semtex, he shoots me but I dont get +100 or +250 from the Afterkill.

Also a guy not going down from 4 stopping powered Barrett shells.

[alvarado52]

sounds like the normal MW2 shenanigans....

[El Fangel]

Yep, it does.

Map pack and this shit in the same day, hmmm.

[Blitz]

Yep, it does.

Map pack and this shit in the same day, hmmm.
CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Fucking hate how they made the Stimulus playlists with every gametype. I just wanna play TDM ffs.

[El Fangel]

It was on Estate, guy was sniping out the window. I stabbed him, turned and was like WTF, stabbed him again, he went into last stand, I stabbed again as he shot me with dual 1887's.

I mean fuck, seriously.

[Verbose Minch]

This map pack was a huge waste of money. Not being able to play just team deathmatch or whatever? Lame.

Infinity Ward continues to prove just how much they suck.

[Johnny McNasty]

This was how they handled the releasing of new maps on COD 4 so what made you think it would be any different this time around?

I have friends who are not getting the map packs just yet, so I like that I can play with them still without having to worry about if they'll be kicked from the next game or not. I remember when I got a copy of WaW from a friend to play after it had already been out for a quite awhile, it was a bitch to get thrown out of every other game because I didn't have any of the three new map packs.

Also loving the new maps btw. Especially Salvage. Second or third time playing it on domination I got my Chopper Gunner and went rip shit on the other team. Must've have gotten over 15 + kills with it.

[Verbose Minch]

This was how they handled the releasing of new maps on COD 4 so what made you think it would be any different this time around?

The fact that it was just as stupid the first time around. Generally, people learn from their mistakes. Unfortunately, Infinity Ward believes ''LOL WE MADE BEST GAME EVER, WE DO NO WRONG''.

[El Fangel]

Im going to say I told you all so.

[LoDownM]

zomg I can't play the new maps on the normal gamemodes for a few weeks NERD RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGE

[alvarado52]

Im going to say I told you all so.

yknow, for someone who plays this game so religiously, you sure act like youre anti-IW/MW alot.

[My Nuts]

Im going to say I told you all so.

Try saying it with my nuts in yr. mouth

[El Fangel]

Didn't I say there would be something wrong with it as soon as they put it out ? and wasn't I right? didn't I say its not worth it for what you had to pay to get it? isn't it looking like I was right?

[RoXer]

No. It's all fixed. I won't remember the 5 hours of downtime when I'm still playing this 6 months from now.

[alvarado52]

No. It's all fixed. I won't remember the 5 hours of downtime when I'm still playing this 6 months from now.

:y:

[El Fangel]

2/5 maps you were likely playing more then 6 months ago. :)

[Requiem]

bought the maps.. downloading now

[RoXer]

2/5 maps you were likely playing more then 6 months ago. :)

You are correct. I was playing Crash and Overgrown for a good 2 years after they were released because of the excellent replay value. Replay value is one of, if not THE most important feature of DLC. For any game.

If these were horribly designed maps that had a tremendous amount of glitches, then these would not be worth the purchase. However, these are excellently designed and 5 hours of downtime is nothing to bitch about when considering for how long you will be playing these maps.

[G]

downloaded them yesterday but still haven't played it. stupid ps3

[El Fangel]

I am waiting to be sure all is clear before I even consider getting them.

[Requiem]

Hate overgrown btw. Like, with a passion, and it is the only map from the map pack that I think should have been burned with mw1.

The LAST thing MW2 needs is ANOTHER fucking camping map. That is all anyone does in it, and it is a fucking piece of shit because of it.

[El Fangel]

How is the snipers in it? i know that was my favorite from MW1 because of it, thermal must be a bitch though.

[Requiem]

sniping is all anyone fucking does in that stupid piece of shit map

[Requiem]

Also, mad underwhelmed by these maps. Bailout is the only awesome one, and I got to play it one fucking time all night.

Salvage is 'meh'. The raining one is alright. Probably the second most fun new map. Crash is alright.

Overgrown is just a piece of shit and there were way better maps they could have brought over from the first.

[El Fangel]

So, let me ask for the record.

Was it worth the 1200 MS (18$) for it?

[Requiem]

Let me put it this way.

I am going to be playing this game for a while, regardless of if these maps sucked or were good. The current selection of maps was getting old as fuck. Was getting bored to tears of a few of them.. So having new maps is nice, and will increase the length of time that I play this game probably.

But 1 of the maps is a piece of shit older one. 1 of the maps is 'meh', and the other 3 are decent with one of them being 'pretty fucking awesome', tbh.

So yeah, it was 'worth it' in the big picture. But really, for what you're getting, it isn't worth it.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, have to say I am getting pretty fucking sick of Karachi, Invasion and Derail.

I usually join one of those, play those three, get kicked out of a lobby and start over. Thank fuck I have only played Rust once anytime recent and that was just using my FAMAS which is beastly on that map.

[Blitz]

Map rotation seems fucked on the pack, only played Bailout once in a few sessions.

Anyways yeah. Bailout is pretty sweet, Salvage is probs my favourite right now though, since I dig close to mid range combat. Storm is ok. Crash and Overgrown are Crash and Overgrown.

[El Fangel]

All I have heard is that Bailout is the shit, Salvage is hit or miss (great for run and gun or short/mid range, terrible for long range though) and Storm is pretty meh.

I am trying to decide if Overgrown and Bailout are worth it and since it doesnt seem to be in the rotation much, im leaning towards not getting this :(

Would be pretty sweet if you could choose your playlist of maps and only get into games on those maps (your teammates/friends that your playing with) if you dont feel like playing Rust/Scrapyard and only want long range such as Afghan or Wasteland and have the option to add other maps if you get bored.

Always wanted soemthing like that because I kick ass on some maps and have loads of fun on them.

[Splaya]

Just went 59-15 my last 3 matches. I know it's bragging but for me, thats really really good. Also went 25-0 on Wasteland, but because I'm not sweet, I did not have the nuke on :(

[El Fangel]

Wow, good job Splaya thats pretty impressive :)

I was playing on Wasteland as well, match was at 7300, I had Harriers/Gunner/Nuke set up and was sniping from the school. I saw someone in my sights and someone behind them was about to fire and someone noobtubed them :(

I ended the match 24-0-0 :(

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Im getting sick of noob tubes, takes all of the skill out of the game.

[Requiem]

If there was a playlist with ONLY Bailout, I would be happy. I would play that map all day.

Played some hardcore HQ on it yesterday, and had been rocking the FAL all day. Well, I was getting some RIDICULOUS double/triple kills all over the place. People were just like lemmings, running into an HQ one after another.. Sat at the top of the stairs one time looking down into the billiards room, and just DESTROYED people as they were coming out of the lockbox hallway. At one point, the HQ was in there again and I came from the lockbox hall, saw a claymore through the wall and popped around to deliver a single shot to it for a double kill, followed by me popping the last guy with a dome shot. Ran in to cap the HQ, and another guy came from the hall.. bam, downed him and layed down behind the counter.. BAM. Two more.

Was on FIAH.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

All the kids home from school are getting really annoying

[El Fangel]

Im getting sick of noob tubes, takes all of the skill out of the game.

This is why I hate Scrapyard with a fucking passion.

They are fine to flush someone out of a building/take out a camper like they are intended to in real life.

Not run around and use them like a primary weapon.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Its because of scavenger pro. They really need to disallow picking up ammo for it.

[OssMan]

real life
i love real life, where things like heartbeat sensors and automated sentry guns exist

[El Fangel]

Don't get me started on those things. Sentry gun is possible, pretty sure heartbeat sensor is not. As for scavenger, it should only allow to pick ammo up if that player dropped ammo of that gun type or equipment type (grenade if you had a semtex, ak ammo if using an assault, grenade for launcher if that person actually had any. Any who, you don't even have to aim with the danger close and if you have fuckers using heartbeat/noob tube/ danger close it makes me see red.

[D Mac]

Played the SHIT out of this today. About 8 hours total. Saw the care package glitch 1 game I think, but other then that no glitchers that I saw. They do throw the new maps in the regular rotations as I was playing them quite a bit on Merc TDM. I'm about to get my first ever mastery on any weapon with the ACR.

[Splaya]

This is why I hate Scrapyard with a fucking passion.

They are fine to flush someone out of a building/take out a camper like they are intended to in real life.

Not run around and use them like a primary weapon.

In scrapyard, I just go into that building on the far side and sit in the upstairs room with a vector and just sling bullets outside.

[El Fangel]

Just a quick tibbit.

To get a nuke, play ground war and hope to get domination

Have Harriers/Gunner/Nuke

Get 7 kills and drop the harriers near where they are spawning, once you get the gunner DO NOT use it until the harriers goes away as you would be stealing kills from the harrier and you need to make everything count. Once they are gone, drop the gunner and hope to fuck no one shoots it down.

If you make it to like 22-24, play it extremely safe and wait for people to come to you.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Just a quick tibbit.

To get a nuke, play ground war and hope to get domination

Have Harriers/Gunner/Nuke

Get 7 kills and drop the harriers near where they are spawning, once you get the gunner DO NOT use it until the harriers goes away as you would be stealing kills from the harrier and you need to make everything count. Once they are gone, drop the gunner and hope to fuck no one shoots it down.

If you make it to like 22-24, play it extremely safe and wait for people to come to you.
Yeah thats how my friend got it, but he did it in TDM in Afghan.

[El Fangel]

Its very difficult to do in TDM as you need 1/3 of total kills and I find unless you have harriers by the time your team is at 2500, you wont get it.

[James Steele]

Just bought this. I am not a big shooter guy, but my friends told me this game was the shit. So, I'll give it a shot.

[El Fangel]

For Xbox or Ps3?

[James Steele]

XBox360™

[El Fangel]

add me on there, xDoMx J0KER

(the o in joker is a zero)

We can play a few private matches so you can learn the maps.