LOST Theories (will have spoliers) [Archive] - Page 3

wwe2222

03-24-2010, 02:42 PM

The biggest question that came out of last night is how does the boat destory the whole statue (inlcuding the other foot that was presumably on a base like the other foot) and what the hell happened to the rest of the pieces that were scattered on the beach.

Whether it was Jacob or MiB, there has to be more to it than the ship knocking it down, sailing a mile into the jungle, and being almost completely intact.

thedamndest

03-24-2010, 02:51 PM

"The island did it."

If it wasn't explained in that episode that is the go-to explanation.

Reavant

03-24-2010, 06:49 PM

ummm the damn wave knocked down the statue

Loose Cannon

03-24-2010, 06:59 PM

I kinda hate the fact that real Locke is dead. He was my fave character.

MIB getting Richard to do his bidding and kill Jacob nearly kinda worked, I'm sure is he prayed on the right person in time, Jacob would've been killed. MIB working his plan with the plane crash, the course of events, time travel, gaining Locke's body really was a mission and a half.

Also, there is still rules for him to follow, and the Island having its own entity. Can't forget the small boy who came to MIB talking about the rules and that 'he can't kill him'. Still keep thinking that it was MIB who killed Jacob by pushing him into the fire and breaking the rules.

Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well.

I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.

wwe2222

03-24-2010, 07:13 PM

new podcast is up...pretty good podcast. They also reveal the name of the finale.

They also address the daytime to night time storm

Hanso Amore

03-24-2010, 10:45 PM

new podcast is up...pretty good podcast. They also reveal the name of the finale.

They also address the daytime to night time storm

Please relay this info in a spoiler tag. I have time not for Pod Casts

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 09:38 AM

Do not need any spoiler tags in this thread. Say what and when you like that's why I made it.

wwe2222

03-25-2010, 11:31 AM

Do not need any spoiler tags in this thread. Say what and when you like that's why I made it.

I would think there is a difference between spoilers about shows that just aired or theories you may have as opposed to real spoilers like what will happen in the next few episodes, or who is coming back to the show, etc.

Reavant

03-25-2010, 11:37 AM

stop being a baby... if you dont want to see spoilers dont come into a thread about a show after it has aired

Reavant

03-25-2010, 11:38 AM

not to mention the thread title says there will be spoilers

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:54 AM

I would think there is a difference between spoilers about shows that just aired or theories you may have as opposed to real spoilers like what will happen in the next few episodes, or who is coming back to the show, etc.

See if you REALLY like the show, or any show, I believe that reading the spoilers for say the finale before the episode has aired is not only stupid, but defeats a lot of what being engaged in a show is all about, especially this show.

I think anyone who posts spoilers about an episode that has yet to air is a big, universally known 'no no'. At least for me it is. But yeah, if you feel you have to live up to the name of spoiling it, by all means please tag it.

What I mean is, this thread is about the theories we all have as the show progresses as well as discussing episodes that have been aired. Anyone who is not up to date should really get up to date before reading the current posts here.

I'm not trying to make rules or say how it has to be around here, just wanna walk LOST as its shown :)

Ogen

03-25-2010, 12:08 PM

I'm fairly sure every single one of you is agreeing with each other here, he was asking for spoiler tags for the last episodes title if it was posted.

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 12:22 PM

I love the little code names Cuse and Co give each season finale, like season 4 was 'The Frozen Donkey Wheel' and season 3, 'The Rattlesnake in the Mailbox' lol

thedamndest

03-25-2010, 12:41 PM

not to mention the thread title says there will be spoilers

It actually says there will be spoliers.

wwe2222

03-25-2010, 02:51 PM

Well here is a recap of the podcast for those of you who want to know (Spoiler warning about upcoming episodes and finale title) highlight to see

- Possibility of more "storms" will be happening. Storm is a metaphor. Confirmed the Black Rock was the same ship from last season
- 'The Package' is related to Sun/Jin sideways
- Carlton said Kate's horse wasn't MIB after Damon joked about it.
- They confirmed there were other people before Richard, hence the Statue
- Confirmed Libby will be back and questions will be answered about her
- Highly likely that Desmond will pop up in the current timeline or the sideways in the next few episodes
- There will be more cop Sawyer/Miles scenes
- Near future, one of the characters will be asking someone whether the MIB can only take the form of dead people, and whether Dave was really or not.. an answer will be provided.
- Possible that MIB is telling the truth, and Jacob is lying..
-The title of the finale is "The End"

03-25-2010, 03:50 PM

I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.
Yeah, that's what I had my little breakdown over last week (or 2 weeks ago). Can't see how they will connect anything/everything beyond saying "Jacob brought them there".

I was hoping we'd get to see a lot of the island's past in this Richard-centric episode but we didn't. I'd guess that the finale will include flashbacks of Jacob and MiB so we should see some history there.

Ogen

03-25-2010, 04:04 PM

Dunno Dharma were tapping into all the masses of "energy" or what not under the surface so they detected this build up but didn't know what it was?

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 04:10 PM

Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well.

I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.

DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

Hanso Amore

03-25-2010, 04:40 PM

Hmm....Massive pockets of energy under island....evil perhaps?

Loose Cannon

03-25-2010, 05:03 PM

DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born.

So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

03-25-2010, 05:07 PM

DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.
Yeah, this is pretty much along the lines I was thinking.

Dharma were brought to the island to do their experiments, eventually tapping into a pocket of energy that would require a button to be pressed every 108 minutes. Desmond was then brought to the island to ensure that he would miss pushing the button, thus causing 815 to crash.

I wonder though, if everyone that came to the island was touched by Jacob before arriving as our main characters have been. Or is there something overtly special about this latest batch of candidates that made Jacob take the trip. And how did he make those trips off island anyway!?

Loose Cannon

03-25-2010, 05:19 PM

FearedSanctity

03-25-2010, 05:26 PM

Blows my mind to think this show was all about survival and such when it first started, and freaky shit in the jungle. And now we've come to time travel, atomic bombs, guys who don't age and shape shifting.

Amazing how far it's all come.

Lock Jaw

03-25-2010, 05:38 PM

Yeah. I remember the days of the first season... this is totally not what I signed on for when I started to watch the show, but I'm enjoying the ride.

Lock Jaw

03-25-2010, 05:39 PM

I remember thinking Locke was some pedophile old man at first because of his interactions with Walt.

03-25-2010, 05:41 PM

Reavant

03-25-2010, 06:19 PM

Hmm....Massive pockets of energy under island....evil perhaps?

gates of hell perhaps?

Reavant

03-25-2010, 06:20 PM

if the finale of this show doesnt turn into DOOM ima be pissed

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:23 PM

Hmm....Massive pockets of energy under island....evil perhaps?

Yeah the pockets of energy are still very much a big mystery. Faraday I think it was said that the energy pocket at The Swan site was hundreds of thousands times more powerful than that of the one under The Orchid, and that one had the power of time travel!

I had read about the Vile Vortices years ago since I am into the paranormal, and they are about 12 supposed areas around the globe that are said to contain geological anomalies, Bermuda Triangle type shit. It's a well chosen theory used in such a good way lol.

Vile Vortices refers to a claim that there are twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged by Ivan Sanderson to have the same mysterious qualities[specify] popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle.[citation needed]
The best-known of these are the Bermuda Triangle itself, the Devil's Sea near Japan and the South Atlantic Anomaly.[citation needed]
Paul Begg, in a series of articles for The Unexplained magazine, criticized the methodology of writers on the subject of unexplained disappearances. He checked original records of the alleged incidents. Often, he found, the ships which were claimed to have 'mysteriously disappeared' had a mundane reason for their loss (see for instance Raifuku Maru). Some were lost in storms, although the vortex writers would claim that the weather was fine at the time. In other cases, locations of losses were changed to fit the location of the vortex. Sometimes no record of the ship even existing in the first place was found.

If you look at where they are placed on the world grid, I think you'll find things fall into place with regard to one of them being halfway between Australia and the States (The Island) and another in Africa (the Exit point when one turns the frozen donkey wheel) :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Vile_Vortices_Map.png

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:24 PM

ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born.

So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

I'm not so sure if it's a dead set plan. Although he has a plan, it's more a game of chess where the players also play their role based on their ultimate good or bad nature. A plan, a gamble, a leap of faith.

He has the ability to summon/bring people to the Island - we know that.

He has the ability to 'choose'/pass on a gift to those he chooses to bring to the Island - we know that.

But the people he chooses and others are what Faraday referred to as 'the variables'. They have the power through free choice to shape destiny. I don't think Jacob or the MIB are as all knowing or powerful as it is made out. The Island has some kind of authority power and rules that they both have to follow. I just don't think he know of all the events and exactly how they would occur, but that he had a hand in it.

It would seem that the earliest so far that he put his plan into action would be the arrival of The Black Rock/Richard, who would later go on to meet Locke in the 50's, as well as Faraday, bury the bomb, recruit Ben - which all sparked off multiple chains of events.

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:24 PM

I wonder though, if everyone that came to the island was touched by Jacob before arriving as our main characters have been. Or is there something overtly special about this latest batch of candidates that made Jacob take the trip. And how did he make those trips off island anyway!?

Yeah this kinda relates to the question I always used to think of, what kind of power/reason creates a point in time where all these chosen people are met in the right place at the right time for their arrival to happen?

Not too sure if he touched them all. Some of it must of been down to luck/fate/whatever, going back the variable idea. I would go as far to say the real 'Constant' is The Island and time/space/existence comes second to it. But if you go here and look at the 'names and bearings' section http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse you will see there are tons of names of characters who Jacob has been keeping an eye on.

But yeah, ultimately, these 6 are his chosen fighters I think. And he either used the Orchid Station, his own power or some other way to get off Island, must be part of his power.

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:30 PM

Jacob had to be watching every single person he wanted to bring to that island I think. Well at least the important ones. I mean, there was a lot of Dharma and Others and most were probably just pawns that had no significance whether they were there or not.

But yea, how far does this whole plan go back

I said it would've gone back to The Black Rock, but thinking over that....MIB was looking for his plan, his loophole AFTER Richard joined up with Jacob.

Which makes me think crazy ideas like --- If Jacob knew who was going to land on the Island - since he 'chose' them prior to that, then he must either have some kind of future seeing ability or be in tuned with the MIB in someway because MIB also chose Locke as his loophole - so one of them is akin to the other's thoughts? - maybe Jacob and MIB are the dark and the light making up one ultimate entity? fuck it, soooo much still to explain.

Jon Kano

03-25-2010, 11:30 PM

But how does it "make sense" that Jacob would know the exact sequence of events? Can he see the future? If so, why bother writing all those names on the wall/lighthouse dial if he knew that the only ones he really needed were Shepherd, Ford, Kwon, Reyes, etc.

Because if he hadn't left the writings on the wall, Sawyer wouldn't of been able to have seen it. Even though it was with MIB, at that point he was told he was important, whatever that means yet, I don't know.

Its just a small example of what I mean, but I really can't articulate it very well at this point.

MY head is spinning.

RoXer

03-26-2010, 10:24 AM

Yeah the pockets of energy are still very much a big mystery. Faraday I think it was said that the energy pocket at The Swan site was hundreds of thousands times more powerful than that of the one under The Orchid, and that one had the power of time travel!

I had read about the Vile Vortices years ago since I am into the paranormal, and they are about 12 supposed areas around the globe that are said to contain geological anomalies, Bermuda Triangle type shit. It's a well chosen theory used in such a good way lol.

Vile Vortices refers to a claim that there are twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged by Ivan Sanderson to have the same mysterious qualities[specify] popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle.[citation needed]
The best-known of these are the Bermuda Triangle itself, the Devil's Sea near Japan and the South Atlantic Anomaly.[citation needed]
Paul Begg, in a series of articles for The Unexplained magazine, criticized the methodology of writers on the subject of unexplained disappearances. He checked original records of the alleged incidents. Often, he found, the ships which were claimed to have 'mysteriously disappeared' had a mundane reason for their loss (see for instance Raifuku Maru). Some were lost in storms, although the vortex writers would claim that the weather was fine at the time. In other cases, locations of losses were changed to fit the location of the vortex. Sometimes no record of the ship even existing in the first place was found.

If you look at where they are placed on the world grid, I think you'll find things fall into place with regard to one of them being halfway between Australia and the States (The Island) and another in Africa (the Exit point when one turns the frozen donkey wheel) :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Vile_Vortices_Map.png

Do you remember the websites they would put up for the online puzzle? I think the Hanso Foundation one showed cities located in these areas on a map. I'm not sure though.

Loose Cannon

03-26-2010, 12:28 PM

yea, that map is interesting. good find

RoXer

03-26-2010, 02:22 PM

I also remember around that time that they were dissecting the meaning of the Dharma logo. Let me go find that post, it was years ago.

RoXer

03-26-2010, 02:42 PM

Nvm, just looked at it now and it's not that significant.

It is hilarious to read our own thoughts on the show so early on though.

Miotch

03-29-2010, 08:44 PM

Do you remember the websites they would put up for the online puzzle? I think the Hanso Foundation one showed cities located in these areas on a map. I'm not sure though.
Speaking of the Hanso foundation, did anyone catch the name of the slave ship captain?

Thought that was a nice touch.

Jon Kano

03-29-2010, 10:39 PM

Magnus Hanso. Think he was mentioned at the auction Widmore bought the ship's log or whatever at, the one where Desmond turned up.

Magnus Hanso is the grandfather of Alvar Hanso, who funded the Dharma Initiative.

Hanso Amore

03-30-2010, 11:40 AM

Corporate CockSnogger

03-30-2010, 12:44 PM

Plus he's mentioned on the blast door map as his resting place being next to the black rock.

Jon Kano

03-30-2010, 01:42 PM

FYI I love the blast door map

03-30-2010, 07:14 PM

Sun and Jin die before the seasons end

Loose Cannon

03-30-2010, 10:05 PM

DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love:

Corporate CockSnogger

03-31-2010, 07:54 AM

Knew it was Desmond from the moment Sawyer first saw the door a few episodes back.

Jon Kano

03-31-2010, 08:46 AM

Yeah I called it in one of my posts on that week also.

How do they keep fucking making these episodes so god damn awesome....so good!

OK, so Widmore was asked by Jin HOW he was going to stop the MIB and Widmore's answer is Desmond. Not really sure how this will come to be - but I swear to GOD, when I was watching season 3, and Desmond was flashing through time, I said to everyone I was with and friends who watch the show that when it comes down to it, Desmond will be the key to saving everyone. I think it all goes back to when he turned the fail safe key, he is still unstuck in time, or at least has the ability to be in two places (realities/times lines) as everyone else. And right now, all I can think about is that he will convince or manage to get the John Locke in the alternate reality to make another plane trip. The Island grabs them both, and the two Locke's are merged, bringing back to life the John Locke we all know and love, and simply reducing the MIB to smoke or another form. I dunno. It's gonna be something big whatever Desmond gets up to.

But will he do it willingly? I believe he would/will if/once he is told about the situation. But Widmore is a fucking moron, cussing him down all the time, telling him in season 5 that the business of the island had nothing to do with him, little did he realise how significant he is.

I was also very pleased to see Mikhail, lol still manages to lose an eye.

Too bad for Sun getting shot, fortunately I don't give a fuck about her or that alternate timeline really, I mean its cool, but until we know the significance of it, its second priority right now.

But yeah, VERY GOOD episode, probably my second fav under The Substitute, 8/10.

Corporate CockSnogger

03-31-2010, 09:17 AM

Yeah I'm the same about the sideways reality. I mean yeah it's interesting and all, and good to see some older characters back but what 's the point of it all. Right now it's just kind of at the same level as it was when you would see one of the losties in someone elses flashbacks.

Like "hey cool that's Sawyer walking into Christian and Ana Lucias car". Like now it's just "hey cool, Mikhail... so get back to the main timeline now"

Wondering what all the mirror stuff is about though. If there's any significance to it at all.

Jon Kano

03-31-2010, 09:24 AM

There is, I watched Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof (sp?) on either Jimmy Kimmel or another show/interview say that the two realities are connected, and that we have actually seen enough to figure out what, but when it becomes more clear, there is something linking the two or something like that that will bring them together. At this point in time, the only guesses I got is Locke, in the new reality, been taken back to the current Island reality and that having some effect/brining him back to life, but it probably won't be ANYTHING like that.

And, also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I just saw this and I am freaking out like a proper fan boy geek prick shit twat fucking NEXT WEEKS IS GONNA BE SOOOO FUCKING EPIC..

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Since season 2, Desmond has been one of my top fave characters, as well as Locke and Ben.

Corporate CockSnogger

03-31-2010, 09:30 AM

Love the bagpipes

Loose Cannon

03-31-2010, 09:42 AM

I really like the actor who plays Keamy. He really plays the dickhead chracter perfectly

Corporate CockSnogger

03-31-2010, 09:44 AM

I remember reading an article back when Series 4 had justt finished praising the Keamy character. Basically saying that while only a relatively minor bad guy in the scheme of things, he portrayed the evil that can exist brilliantly.

Jon Kano

03-31-2010, 10:02 AM

He is also funny. When he told Mikhail to turn around as he was dying lol.

Requiem

03-31-2010, 01:47 PM

I like the alternate reality. It is kind of showing the possibilities and how those people would have been connected even if they hadn't come to the island. Well, actually.. you have to think of it from this standpoint - If time travel is involved, we don't really know from what point in time people on the island have come from. The past.. future.. doesn't matter.. When the island was destroyed by the nuke, it pretty much stopped all chain of events in the past from ever happening.. even BEFORE the island was nuked.. Anything done on Jacob's behalf didn't happen in the alternate (that we know of so far) so it changed EVERYTHING. Butterfly effect gone crazy pretty much... That's why it's not just those 'turning points' for characters that are changed, and some of them seem to be pretty starkly different people (Hurley for instance.. Sawyer especially).

I'm almost willing to bet that Richard does not exist anymore in the alternate timeline. He is most likely dead.

But we know something is not right.. we could see it in Jack every time he got mildly confused about things, or forgot things that happened to him.

Idk.. I don't know what is going on, but I like the alternate reality. Seeing how 'fate' was going to bring certain people together regardless.

Loose Cannon

03-31-2010, 02:02 PM

Who has all been connected so far in the Alternate Reality?

We've seen Rose and Locke, Jin and Sayid, Jack and Locke, Kate and Sawyer, Claire and Kate, Saywer and I believe Miles, Ben and Alex...

Requiem

03-31-2010, 02:16 PM

Hurley and Locke also.

Arnzt and Ben (and Locke technically) even though Arnzt isn't really a main character.. kinda funny seeing him again.

thedamndest

03-31-2010, 09:07 PM

I kind of think the things in the alternate reality aren't really coincidences for the people that went to the island. Keamy dying, Mikhail shot in the eye, and all the interactions between the Losties. Maybe a form of course correction.

Jon Kano

03-31-2010, 10:50 PM

I dunno if it's course correction. It's like Sun bumping her head and not being able to speak English - where in the alternate reality, she did not learn to speak English 'Course connection'?

Another thing I was thinking about - Widmore told Locke when he turned the wheel and was in the real world during season 5, that Locke needed to be back on the Island, because 'a war was coming', and that Locke needs to be back on the Island, otherwise the wrong side will win. I guess he didn't know or was aware of MIB's plan. But more to the point, I think it highlights and further supports the idea that MAYBE Jacob knew what was going to happen and that his plan coincides with Widmore's (Jacob KNEW Widmore was coming to the Island) and that what's occurring is exactly what he wants to happen. Yet the master plan largely depends on the 6 candidates choice of action and what destiny they really believe to be theirs.

Jeritron

04-01-2010, 06:58 AM

You have to ask yourself what the alternate reality stories have in common. It seems to me they all show how life could have been better for passengers, or at least is showing them in situations where they have the oppurtunity to right what bothers them so much.

The Mask

04-01-2010, 07:17 AM

i thought sun learnt english back in korea? i figured she was just feigning not knowing, like she did at first on the island.

Corporate CockSnogger

04-01-2010, 07:50 AM

She only learnt English though because she was leaving Jin to go live in America.

In the alternate reality her and Jin are happy together (albeit not married)

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 10:31 AM

Exactly, so her losing her ability to speak English mirrors the other reality where she did not learn it.

Did you notice when she was looking in the mirror before she answered the door for Keamy? she looked like she noticed something, or something was up, to me it looked like she was looking at her forehead, and she just knocked it herself out to next week on the Island, it was like she saw or felt the injury should be there too. Jack has also done this, in the episode LA X, he notices a cut on him in the mirror, and he sees the scar from when his appendix was taken out, not knowing if he should have it missing in that reality, he asks his mother. He had it taken on Island by Juliet.

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 10:38 AM

Who has all been connected so far in the Alternate Reality?

We've seen Rose and Locke, Jin and Sayid, Jack and Locke, Kate and Sawyer, Claire and Kate, Saywer and I believe Miles, Ben and Alex...

JAck and Dogen

Reavant

04-01-2010, 10:43 AM

she learned english before because she was planning on leaving jin and going to america because she was unhappy. In the new reality, she was not married to jin and they went to america because her father wanted jin dead.

Reavant

04-01-2010, 10:44 AM

too slow

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 11:18 AM

They didn't go to America because Sun's father wanted Jin dead. They didn't even know that he knew about them as a couple. They went to America because Jin was told to deliver the watch and money, not realising it was for his own death. Sun didn't even know she or he was in danger either. Jin also suggested Sun was there just for a shopping trip.

I don't think that matters, like I said, she lost the use of English on the Island because in the alternate reality, she did not learn it at all.

04-01-2010, 12:11 PM

Isn't that what Reavant said but in more detail?

Mr Paik sent Jin to America with the watch and money for Keamy. Keamy would receive his payment and then do the job. I know you understand that, you just wrote it. But so did Reavant.

I read about the loss of her english (and other connections) being something "bleeding through" from the alternate reality on Vozzek's "Things I Noticed..." from the DarkUFO website. Don't suppose you did too?

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 12:17 PM

I guess I took what Reavant said in a way that suggested Sun and Jin went to America because they knew Sun's father wanted him dead. My bad.

I read about the losing English/not learning it idea off a LOST forum I go on. As far as her noticing something in the mirror, the 'bleeding through', I connected and formed my own opinion on that because I remember Jack noticing a scratch and his scar.

thedamndest

04-01-2010, 12:56 PM

What I said in my previous post about course correction - I didn't mean it how it had been used before where a person who is supposed to die will always have to die, but just kind of the same concept. Couldn't think of what to call it, but I guess realities leaking together makes more sense. I was wondering why one reality would affect the other in such a way. That is what I meant when I said it could be another form of course correction - the cause of the realities leaking together.

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 01:26 PM

what is this other forum. Links, I want to read up on this stuff

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 02:38 PM

Oh here is some more "bleeding through" I thought of.

Remember when in season one locke couldnt climb to the plane, so boone went? Like he lost the ability to walk and couldnt stand.

Then he got shot in the leg in the same place in season 5.

Coincidence?

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 03:08 PM

I would say that's definitely a link and connection yes.

But another similar situation that I think is more significant is the fact that he fell down the well on-island and broke the fuck out of his leg. This was a way of The Island taking away his ability to walk so that once again, in the real world, he was bound to a wheel chair.

Just need to decode what all these things mean I guess.

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 03:38 PM

I kind of want to watch the earlier episodes this season to see if there is more links that we missed

Loose Cannon

04-01-2010, 03:48 PM

Reavant

04-01-2010, 03:57 PM

so speaking of the "bleeding through" ... sun was shot in the stomach in the alternate reality. Im wondering why nothing else happened to her in real time

04-01-2010, 04:01 PM

yea, that's what I've been wanting to do. Look for little shit. Like I learned yesterday that the girl who was bit by that spider or whatever and was buried alive appeared in a later episode for like 30 seconds on a game show that was on TV someone was watching.

There's always been little bits like that though. It's not new to this season. For example, you can see Hurley when he won the lottery on the TV in Korea during a Jin/Sun flashback way back in season 1 I think.

One of the best things about LOST is trying to work out what is important and what is just thrown in there. For example, I was thinking on the end of season 4 when Locke turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel and the island completely disappeared. That never sat right with me. If the island moved in time it wouldn't move physically from 2004...unless of course it had sunk in 1977.

Problem is I can't work out what that means, what are the rammifications for the rest of the show if there is a direct link there.

There's definately something in these "Moments In The Mirror" this season. Each character has a moment of reflection - seemingly remembering something - when looking in a mirror. Sun in this latest episode, Jack on the plane in the season opener, Locke in the bathroom when he decides not to contact Jack, etc.

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 04:01 PM

Yet....

edit: This is to Reavant. Maybe that bullet catches up to Sun.

And maybe by making the choice in one reality to help Alex, helped change ben to come back to Ilana.

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 04:03 PM

The Island didnt move in time, just the losties.....but the Island dis vanish....So its like so confusing. ALso, they need to explain why they were dislodged in time.

Or were they dislodged in reality?

04-01-2010, 04:10 PM

Well, yeah, the people are moving but that makes even less sense as to why the island itself disappeared. Unless it was already sunk and this point.

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 04:17 PM

The Island didnt move in time, just the losties.

I know that has been said before, but where did you remember this from? - I personally don't believe that it was just the losties who moved in time, I believe it was the Island, but not the Island as a piece of land, as an entity. So whenever it moved back in the past, way back, things like the statue were standing, camps were not there, other people were there etc (remember in season 5, early episode, possibly the first one, Sawyer and co were attacked by people with flaming arrows. I don't think they were The Others, I believe that were the primitive people who actually built the statue and made all the Hieroglyphics on the walls)

There are other inconsistencies that I can't get my head around, here is a question/situation that I cannot figure out...

- During season 2, we saw that the losties were getting drops from Dharma, food, supplies etc, all labelled, with a parachute. So why would they still be getting supply drops in 2004 when Dharma had long since been purged?

- At the same time, Eloise Hawking revealed to the people who went back that the reason why they were never rescued was because THE ISLAND was constanty moving?!?

....yet no flashes, no one going mental or dying from the headaches, yet somehow, a plane with supplies managed to drop off supplies???!

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 04:18 PM

so speaking of the "bleeding through" ... sun was shot in the stomach in the alternate reality. Im wondering why nothing else happened to her in real time

Give it time?

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 05:07 PM

OK Kano, good shit.

So if Ben spinning the donkey wheel sinks the island, what about when locke does it?

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 05:08 PM

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 05:33 PM

Well I assumed that the Dharma people would know where to drop supplies, as they know where the island would be, as they made the Lamppost station.

Now why they would stil be gettign supplies 12 years after the purge, I have no idea.

Good point. I forgot that DHARMA made the Lamp Post, mainly because Eloise was the leader of 'The Others'. There is something significant about her purely for the fact that when Desmond was traveling through time in season 3 (Flashes Before Your Eyes), she KNEW what he was meant to do, and taught us, the viewer, about 'Course Correction'. To me that is major because she is someone or part of something bigger at work that knows whats meant to happen, yet she existed in the past when Desmond was slipping in and out of time.

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 05:34 PM

OK Kano, good shit.

So if Ben spinning the donkey wheel sinks the island, what about when locke does it?

Because Locke didn't actually turn it, he just put it back on it's axis, it was dislodged and that's why the time shifts were occurring. Ben can't even turn a wheel properly.

04-01-2010, 05:47 PM

Hold up.

We don't know that Ben turning the wheel sank the island. All we know is that the time shift occured due to the wheel being turned. It's been assumed that the submerged island we saw at the stat of this season was as a result of Jughead being exploded next to the pocket of energy. We arrive at this assumption due to what we see on the sunken island - it looks like 1970's island.

Requiem

04-01-2010, 05:56 PM

^yeah that

Also, pretty sure the supply drops were due to the 108 minute thing.. that's why they never saw or heard the drop. They were inside their 'bubble' so to speak at the time. All that had to happen was an original drop had to take place, and then they could recycle that event every 108 minutes.

Of course, that's an "old school" LOST theory that I am unsure about now, as I'm not sure what parts of that theory are still legit now with this and last season's events.

04-01-2010, 05:58 PM

Are you saying there was a supply drop every 108 minutes?

Corporate CockSnogger

04-01-2010, 06:08 PM

I think he means due to the clock hitting 00:00 and turning to the symbols.

Requiem

04-01-2010, 06:09 PM

I suppose that does sound a bit much.

It was a theory going around on timelooptheory way back, about the inhabitants of the island living the same 108 minutes over and over again.. Just THEY did things differently.

As I said.. not sure what parts of that theory are still sound anymore.

Requiem

04-01-2010, 06:11 PM

FearedSanctity

04-01-2010, 06:33 PM

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 06:39 PM

Requiem

04-01-2010, 06:52 PM

It doesn't anymore. Also, I think it is based on WHERE on the island you are, as to how much time really goes by.

That is part of what Faraday was doing with his test with the rocket when he got there. Trying to find the point with the least delay.

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 07:01 PM

Actually, I think this may still be partially correct.

Basically, Desmond was pushing the button every 108 minutes and 'resetting' the island. The island was stuck in its own 'time', reliving those 108 minutes over and over again.

Like a broken record.

It's why Locke knew when it was going to rain exactly on cue.

But then, it got stopped.. and the island suddenly started moving through time normally again.

I don't know how or where you could suggest that Desmond pressing the button every 108 min kept them in a loop-hole record thing.

The broken record analgy was used by Farraday to illustrate the Wheel being off its axis, going back and forth through time.

'Blowing the dam' was said by Kelvin to Desmond with regard to the use and function of turning the fail-safe key. Pressing the button was a way of keeping the pressure on the dam, although it was also explained as releasing a small amount of power so that it didn't overflow as it were.

And which time are you talking about Locke knowing when it was going to rain? before or after he was possessed by the MIB or after? because he has done it a few times in the early seasons, and even if it was after (as MIB), he has a connection to the Island and it's nature. The creators have also said that rain/storms are akin, linked and represent the MIB.

04-01-2010, 07:06 PM

Yeah, that 108 minute loop theory doesn't really hold any water anymore (pun intended).

04-01-2010, 07:08 PM

Alright, so I've somewhat been keeping up with this thread and haven't seen this covered, but forgive me if it has. Or even if I'm just completely off.

If Jack showed us that the candidates can't die, then how could Locke? Would it just be because he was off island at the time? But even then it would seem as if the island's "will" extends beyond itself.
It's an odd one for sure.

We've seen instances where certain individuals can't die because "the island won't let them" as it isn't done with them yet. See Michael's off island experiences for reference.

Then again, as you note, Locke died and he was off-island like Michael. Could it have something to do with another candidate (Ben) killing him?

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 07:10 PM

I think this just shows that Locke had played his part.

Requiem

04-01-2010, 07:10 PM

They can't kill themselves. Doesn't mean someone else can't do it.

Not really 'not letting them die'. I think that is a misconception. I think ANYONE can die. They just can't kill themselves.

FearedSanctity

04-01-2010, 07:18 PM

Thought "can't kill themselves" applied to just Richard though, as part of his deal with Jacob? Though you're probably right, since no ones actually gone through with trying to kill themselves (I think), it'd be a little hard to prove that wrong

04-01-2010, 07:34 PM

They can't kill themselves (a sin no less) but they can sacrifice themselves, as Charile and Michael have. Perhaps redemption?

Jon Kano

04-01-2010, 07:36 PM

MIB can't kill them while they are on the Island, he needs them, he said he is 3 shy of getting on the plane aka off the Island, I'm still unsure as to whether that is what he REALLY plans to do - Also, if Widmore IS there to make sure he doesn't get off, why has he not destroyed the plane already?

So MIB needs the candidates, he needs their 'soul' their will their choice to be with him, which will give him all the 'power' and he will be able to leave. So won't kill them, and obviously Jacob doesn't want to either.

Requiem

04-01-2010, 07:39 PM

Michael tried to kill himself. Twice.

He ran a car into a wall and lived.

He was going to shoot himself, and Tom Friendly stopped him. So SOMETHING stopped him. And Friendly explained it as the island not being done with him.. but I think it is just the same thing that Richard and Jack had done to them.

The whole point of that Richard trying to kill himself episode was to show that Jack was the same way. And I'm willing to bet that the rest of the people 'touched' by Jacob had the same thing happen to them as well.

Think of this too.. Locke was GOING to hang himself.. but SOMETHING intervened. He couldn't kill himself.

FearedSanctity

04-01-2010, 07:39 PM

Also, if Widmore IS there to make sure he doesn't get off, why has he not destroyed the plane already?

My guess would be that he'd more prefer to have MIB than to just stop him from leaving, I guess as to prevent any problems in the future.

Just a guess, but as always with this damn show, I'll be wrong

FearedSanctity

04-01-2010, 07:41 PM

Hanso Amore

04-01-2010, 09:39 PM

Richard cant kill himself as he cannot die in any way

Loose Cannon

04-01-2010, 11:53 PM

There's always been little bits like that though. It's not new to this season. For example, you can see Hurley when he won the lottery on the TV in Korea during a Jin/Sun flashback way back in season 1 I think..

sorry, should of clarified that I wanted to go back to the beginning and try to look for those little things.

04-02-2010, 02:09 AM

Ah, cool. Well there's one for ya.

Also just remembered that there is a picture of Eloise Hawking on the desk of the monk in the monastray that Desmond is at in one of his episodes.

Requiem

04-02-2010, 02:04 PM

Richard cant kill himself as he cannot die in any way

There has been nothing to indicate that though, and everything to indicate that he has more in common with our Losties.

Jon Kano

04-02-2010, 03:05 PM

Richard said he never wants to die - he is more than often referred to as someone who 'doesn't age' - He said that he can't kill himself, but that someone else would have to do it for him.

I'm pretty sure MIB could kill him if he wanted to, especially if or when he becomes all powerful. And he will if MIB 'wins'. He will cease to exist.

Inadequacy

04-02-2010, 03:08 PM

As someone who does not watch Lost I can only assume all this talk of "MIB" is in reference to Michael Ian Black, making this the mpost awesome show ever.

Also I smell like poop and I eat poop and my breath smells like poop

Jon Kano

04-02-2010, 03:39 PM

Get the hell out of here. Right now.

Hanso Amore

04-06-2010, 10:16 PM

jesus WTF

My DVR didnt tape this and I was soooo excited. When does ABC .com post new episodes?

Loose Cannon

04-06-2010, 10:20 PM

dude, it was a fucking awesome episode. they just keep getting better. I think they should have it up tomorrow

Loose Cannon

04-06-2010, 10:21 PM

Next week Michael :eek:

wwe2222

04-06-2010, 10:22 PM

great episode tonight. Desmond always delivers

Reavant

04-06-2010, 10:23 PM

jesus WTF

My DVR didnt tape this and I was soooo excited. When does ABC .com post new episodes?

it will be up on hulu.com by tomorrow morning

Requiem

04-06-2010, 10:26 PM

awesome :love:

love Desmond. Great to see that other people are aware that things aren't right. Also.. the limo driver was the guy from the boat that came to the island who died because he didn't have a constant. Just in case anyone didn't notice that.

Loose Cannon

04-06-2010, 10:30 PM

nope, would of never noticed that. I don't even remember the guy or whay season that was from.

Also, lol @ Charlie saying "That's my band" again. I mark out everytime he gloats about Driveshaft

thedamndest

04-06-2010, 10:58 PM

Call him "The Plague."

Lock Jaw

04-07-2010, 01:07 AM

Alternate Reality is The Village.

Corporate CockSnogger

04-07-2010, 07:10 AM

I guess Desmond really did see all those people in another life, brotha. A-cha cha

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 07:51 AM

wwe2222

04-07-2010, 09:25 AM

Missed it last night but just watched it on ABC.com.

Goddamn what a great episode. Things have really ratcheted up since the Richard episode. It's probably going to be insanity from here on out

How many are left, 5 or 6?

I believe there are 7 hours of Lost left. 5 episodes and then the 2 hour finale, so 6 episodes total.

wwe2222

04-07-2010, 09:29 AM

I wonder if the dead people Hurley talks to are crossing over from the alternate reality. C

harlie has seemed to been experiencing another reality, and remember when he visited Hurley in the mental hospital, Charlie told Hurley "He wasnt dead"

04-07-2010, 10:06 AM

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 10:22 AM

I love how even in the alt verse, Eloise is in the know.

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 11:37 AM

Damn, best episode of the season in my view

Do you think that Widmore sent Desmond to the alt-universe to bring back a bit of Desmond's pro-Widmore consciousness?

It seemed odd that he was suddenly happy to help out Widmore

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 11:38 AM

HAAA HAA HA HAAAA!!!!!!!!!

This weeks episode was pretty tame what I thought all the way through. Then the last dialogue between Desmond and Minkowski (I did notice) is what I predicted along the way with regard to what and how I think the realities will merge.

When he asked for the manifest, and when he told George why he wanted it, I got goosebumps on my back!

Lock Jaw

04-07-2010, 11:48 AM

Also, is showing up in an empty arena where a girl is working out, saying her name when she has never met you, and then fainting in front of her a good method for getting dates? I gotta try this. I'll report my findings later.

Requiem

04-07-2010, 01:05 PM

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 01:20 PM

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 01:22 PM

I think Desmond realized that things CAN be changed, and that's what made him want to help..

To Desmond though, the reality where he was, was good for him. I agree that he realizes things can be changed. But I think it's more than that. Like Jack, through his experiences and realizations, he now knows something big is at work. He didn't seem to afraid to see or go with Sayid. I think there is more at work.

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 01:26 PM

Ok. So they kind of drop a bit onto us through Faraday that setting off the bomb created the alt verse.

I think not.

I think the Alt verse is created when MiB leaves the Island. He wins. Everyone tht everyone knows ceases to exist and is replaced by the alt verse. In this, the MIB gives everyone what they want.(But at a cost)

JAck is a good father
Claire has Aaron
Nadia is alive
Desmond has Widmores approval
Charlies band is still together

But what people want is not necessarily what is best for them and all. Desmond is going to help awaken people to their true lives, which they will see that helping the MIB wont give them what they want. they will then help the side of jacob.

Or something.

What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 01:33 PM

What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.

I have never believed the bomb theory, since it alters things much farther back than the crash. Jack has a 14 year old son for christ sakes. Where did he come from?

I still think that they will say the Nuke got everyone back to the right time, and thats it.

I bet they throw all kinds of new shit at us next week. Lost doesnt care about answering old questions.

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 01:34 PM

What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.

What about charlie?

Nikki? Paulo? Charlotte? Daniel? Eko? Libby? Michelle Rdoriguez?

Are their bodies going to just come backto life underground/water too?

There is no make Locke whole, his body isnt MIB.

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 01:41 PM

What about them? They all have their place in the new alternate reality. But they do not matter this time round because they have already played their part the first time round (the events on and off Island that lead to the point we are at now) - The people on the plane Desmond needs to show something are the main people - the candidates.

Just because The Island is underwater, I'm sure The Island is still very much an entity with power.

If things go the way I suggest - Say another Plane flies over the Pacific, a white flash occurs, it will be The Island taking them from the alternate reality, and placing them BACK on the Island where Jack and co are now. Bringing the alive, alternate Locke back would possibly force MIB out of Locke's body and bring back the real Locke. He has a body, he is capable of touching things and physically being there.

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 02:00 PM

You say their part has played out...well so has Lockes. I dont get where you are ocming from with this Locke Resurrection stuff.

Locke is dead. His body is buried. MIB just looks like him. He used him as a puppet.

I get where you are coming from sort of, but if you want to say locke is coming back, so is everyone. If not, it will combine the realities, with Locke still being dead.

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 02:10 PM

I guess so, but Jacob had the power to bring Locke back to life, so I believe The Island will also. Whether that's because MIB 'broke the rules' or not, I dunno. But I just believe Locke, the real Locke has more of a role to play. Other than Jack, I think he is the only other person to take over Jacob. I guess I just want him to come back I'm looking for possible ideas.

Regardless, what Desmond will do, its going to be something big.

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 02:10 PM

lol Michelle Rodriguez

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 02:11 PM

I do like Hanso's idea a lot better then them crashing AGAIN. Ugh

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 02:14 PM

lol Michelle Rodriguez

What was her character name? Escapes me :)

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 02:15 PM

I do like Hanso's idea a lot better then them crashing AGAIN. Ugh

with all the shit they have done with like consciousness and memories, I think its more likely they just pull a desmond type move and merge.

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 02:17 PM

fuck I can't remember. I just was watching Season 2 like two days ago too. lol

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 02:18 PM

Ana Lucia

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 02:20 PM

With your idea though, that MIB wins. Everything points towards the idea that he is evil, he will spread his evil and everyone will cease to exist. So how can reality/the world and everyone still be if he wins?

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 02:26 PM

So with all of the flash sideways paralleling or mirroring on-island events in certain ways, it got me thinking back to the first few seasons.

Remember how the flashbacks would always mirror reality in certain ways? Back then, I obviously just thought that it was clever way of highlighting certain character traits, but could it be more significant than that?

Maybe they weren't flashbacks?

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 02:27 PM

give an example if you can

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 02:33 PM

I have never believed the bomb theory, since it alters things much farther back than the crash. Jack has a 14 year old son for christ sakes. Where did he come from?

I still think that they will say the Nuke got everyone back to the right time, and thats it.

I bet they throw all kinds of new shit at us next week. Lost doesnt care about answering old questions.

The bomb that set the alternate universe into motion detonated in 1977. Jack's son was presumably born somewhere around 1990.

They also address the island being destroyed, by showing it at the bottom of the ocean. The statue is still there, the Dharma initiative is still there, etc.
That's because those things were built before 1977. It's on the bottom of the ocean from 1977 onwards though.

The only people who would have been on the island at that time are Ben Linus, and his father. It's specifically addressed though, that Roger Linus was a workman for the DI on the island, with Ben, but he decided to leave his job.
They returned back to the mainland before the bomb went off, which is when the alternate reality began to unfold.

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 02:33 PM

give an example if you can

Honestly can't remember at all, it's been so long since I've seen the earliest episodes.

When they weren't directly parallel they were almost always thematically linked, it seemed

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 02:33 PM

Well in a way they were and in a way they were not. It's like whenever we saw flashbacks, we were aware that what we were seeing on-island was the present and they were the past. Then when we saw the flash-forward at the end of season 3, it's like everything we know and had seen, we know were aware had already happened. Is that what you mean?

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 03:05 PM

Shit is heating up!
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Jeritron

04-07-2010, 03:12 PM

lol at that cutting. It's so obvious that "I know what we need to do" and "trust me Jack" are seperate clips taken from different places in the episode and spliced together to make it sound like he's saying that.

Not knocking it. That's common in any trailer or preview. Just stood out as kind of funny here.

I really really can't wait for these next 6 episodes. I am pissed that I have to wait a week in between each. I love watching them in big doses. This is the first season that I've watched week to week in their original airing.

I watched the other seasons in serious binges in 2008-2009. I think I was still on season 4 when season 5 started, so I avoided the show and waited until I could get a hold of all the episodes on the internet.

I kind of miss barracading for hours and getting way into it. Though week to week is exciting. There was definitely a feeling surrounding the premiere this year that you just can't get on DVD. The idea that the whole world is watching it live. That will be even more epic for the finale.

Requiem

04-07-2010, 03:14 PM

I remember when the show started, Hugo didn't really 'seem' like a major character, but he was always a funny guy. Now, he's totally gonna pull something out of his ass and save the day. I love it. :D

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 03:14 PM

Yeah big time, it's awesome around that finale time.

I have watched LOST weekly ever since the first episode, so I am kind used to it, and in a weird way I prefer it.

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 03:20 PM

I watched seasons 1-5 straight through a second time this fall. I was introducing my brother to it.

I'll probably watch this whole season through again in the days leading up to the finale, just to get all primed and pumped up.

Definitely going to watch the whole complete thing all the way through again once it's over. Can't wait to do that. Will be really interesting (as if it weren't already)

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 03:24 PM

Going to be cool to revisit the series every few years too. Like most great shows or movies, it will probably be the type of thing that you forget how awesome it is and fall back in love with it again every so often.

I really think Lost will be looked back on with even more praise than it is now. Just as a concept and experience, and quality obviously. Plus the fact that it was such a huge hit, but had the discipline to stay on track, take risks, and end on it's own terms.
And obviously it's going to change television since no TV show has really ever been like this one, and tons of things are going to follow it's lead.

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 03:25 PM

It will never happen, but it would be kinda cool to see everything happen in chronological order somehow once it's all released on DVD.

I have seasons 1,2,3 on DVD and 4,5 and 6 on my computer.

I WILL be purchasing the whole 6 season box set once it's released. Not kind of purchasing pattern has ever been exhibited by me with regard to any other TV show.

thedamndest

04-07-2010, 03:27 PM

I don't think I would ever watch the Nikki and Paulo episode again.

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 03:30 PM

Still can't believe they actually found the Pearl station first, kinda made Eko's journey with Locke seem less significant. Glad they are dead.

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 03:33 PM

lol word

I don't know what episodes are my "favorites", since it's not like other TV shows. It's really just chapters. I don't ever watch random episodes, like I would for something like The Simpsons or X-Files, because everything is ongoing.

Tricia Tanaka Is Dead stands out to me as an episode that I loved, and found to be a good standalone. Not much, if anything, happens with the overall mythology but it's really interesting/funny and has amazing character development.

The 2 part season finale of Season 3 stands out as incredible. But I still think my favorite episode (and that's saying a lot) is the 4th episode of Season 1. Walkabout.
The first John Locke episode. It blew my mind and still does.

This season has really had some episodes that are up there.

Blitz

04-07-2010, 03:34 PM

Confidence Man will always be my favourite ep.

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 03:37 PM

Great book too

wwe2222

04-07-2010, 04:05 PM

The bomb that set the alternate universe into motion detonated in 1977. Jack's son was presumably born somewhere around 1990.

They also address the island being destroyed, by showing it at the bottom of the ocean. The statue is still there, the Dharma initiative is still there, etc.
That's because those things were built before 1977. It's on the bottom of the ocean from 1977 onwards though.

The only people who would have been on the island at that time are Ben Linus, and his father. It's specifically addressed though, that Roger Linus was a workman for the DI on the island, with Ben, but he decided to leave his job.
They returned back to the mainland before the bomb went off, which is when the alternate reality began to unfold.

Im still not totally convinced the bomb is why the island is at the bottom of the ocean, though I think it is the most likely answer. Roger Linus shot Sayid the day the bomb went off, did he have enough time to get off the island?

Also, Widmore and Eloise were both on the Island as well, and in the new reality, they are married and living happily off the island. Did they have enough time to get off the island too?

Hanso Amore

04-07-2010, 04:46 PM

The Constant is my fav

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 04:55 PM

Im still not totally convinced the bomb is why the island is at the bottom of the ocean, though I think it is the most likely answer. Roger Linus shot Sayid the day the bomb went off, did he have enough time to get off the island?

Also, Widmore and Eloise were both on the Island as well, and in the new reality, they are married and living happily off the island. Did they have enough time to get off the island too?

I'm personally not saying whenever I say it that the bomb is what sent the Island to the sea bed, rather IT IS what split reality in two.

Think you are going on a theory that the incident/the bomb did sink the Island, when really, it didn't necessarily cause a hydrogen explosion, it in fact silenced the pocket of energy or altered it. The bomb did go off, but it didn't cause a massive explosion. Pretty sure if it did, the Barracks wouldn't even be standing, but they were pretty much intact.

04-07-2010, 05:41 PM

I don't think I would ever watch the Nikki and Paulo episode again.
I kinda liked that episode. Mostly for the powerlines/Paulo lies/paralyzed stuff ig I'm honest.

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 05:51 PM

I don't think I would ever watch the Nikki and Paulo episode again.
That episode was great for what it was.

They said before it came out that they were just gonna have some fun with the characters and give them a ridiculous send off.

They also said it was their loving attempt at a CSI-esque episode, and in that respect, they did awesome work

More clever than any CSI episode I can remember seeing

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 05:53 PM

I'm personally not saying whenever I say it that the bomb is what sent the Island to the sea bed, rather IT IS what split reality in two.

Think you are going on a theory that the incident/the bomb did sink the Island, when really, it didn't necessarily cause a hydrogen explosion, it in fact silenced the pocket of energy or altered it. The bomb did go off, but it didn't cause a massive explosion. Pretty sure if it did, the Barracks wouldn't even be standing, but they were pretty much intact.
Anyone know if it is possible for a nuclear weapon to emit its EMP but not cause a full fledged nuclear explosion?

Because that would certainly explain a lot.

Jeritron

04-07-2010, 05:53 PM

It had Billy Dee Williams in it. For that reason alone, it's not bad

Corporate CockSnogger

04-07-2010, 05:54 PM

Yeah I enjoyed it too. Was a great episode to get rid of a couple of mediocre characters.

wwe2222

04-07-2010, 05:54 PM

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 06:59 PM

Anyone know if it is possible for a nuclear weapon to emit its EMP but not cause a full fledged nuclear explosion?

Because that would certainly explain a lot.

Well Faraday's plan revolved on having the thermonuclear core being removed from the bomb and used. I'm not a bomb expert, to me, that just sounds like the real dangerous and main part of the bomb was used.

I don't know if we will EVER find out the precise scienfific way in which the bomb was used with the pocket of energy. I guess it more a case of two powers colliding and the effects either being made through science, or even part of some kind of higher Island power?

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 07:38 PM

What I also want to know is, what makes Eloise so special?

As I pointed out a page or so ago - in season 3, Flashes Before Your Eyes, As Desmond was experiencing the price of turning that fail-safe key, his consciousness was travelling through time - yet somehow and for some reason, before he had even left for the Island, Eloise Hawking knew about it - she knew what he was meant to do, she knew about course correction - she was his guide. And yet STILL, in an alternate reality - she knows something else, she knows Desmond isn't ready for something. I just don't get how she could be this 'guide' and know about all this stuff. Fair enough, she was the leader of The Others, and she killed her own son, but still. How can she have that knowledge and tact?

Buzzkill

04-07-2010, 07:54 PM

Pretty sure she is the keeper of the time line, and can probably shift/retain consciousness across time and into different universes

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 07:57 PM

I don't think so - she has never been in any experiments, near any radiation or turned any fail safe key. Desmond is only able to withstand it because of the key turning and or because The Island chose to have him survive.

If anything, she has some kind of relationship with or had one with Jacob where he trusted her enough to know something extra, or even with Faraday's notes, she somehow come to learn and realise what is going on. Esp since his notebook contained the words, 'If anything goes wrong Desmond Hume will be my constant'.

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 08:50 PM

Loose Cannon

04-07-2010, 10:44 PM

and how fitting, the song is called Nearly Home by Broken Records. Thanks to YouTube user colucciskiller

Jon Kano

04-07-2010, 10:47 PM

lol I love youtube user comments:

'I'm committing suicide when lost ends.'

Requiem

04-08-2010, 07:30 PM

Just thought of this... if those who have been touched can't kill themselves, that could be why Desmond survived turning the key.

RoXer

04-08-2010, 07:33 PM

Jacob touched Desmond?

Jeritron

04-08-2010, 07:36 PM

No that hasn't been shown or mentioned yet. He touched Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayeed and I'm not sure who else, but not Desmond to our knowledge.

Desmond did meet/talk to Libby though. I don't know what that was all about. Still curious if her meeting Desmond/being in the same mental hospital as Hurley was all just coincidence or is part of something more

Requiem

04-08-2010, 07:54 PM

There hasn't been any hint at it, but there is the fact that MIB stated that people were a candidate, until they weren't.. and they'd get their names scratched off.

Now, granted.. we don't know how Jacob knows anything. But wouldn't he want to protect all of his investments to make sure they do what they have to?

And ESPECIALLY if that 'protection' helps them achieve what they're supposed to. So one could look at it from the point of view that without that protection, Desmond might have died, and never done what he was meant to do later BECAUSE of what happened to him when he survived the incident.

Reavant

04-08-2010, 08:13 PM

that doesnt explain widmore electrocuting him in the last episode and him still living.... the first flash did something to him and was never going to kill him

Boondock Saint

04-08-2010, 11:25 PM

Desmond episodes always rock. Been my favorite character since his first episode.

Lock Jaw

04-08-2010, 11:33 PM

I know some people don't like him, but Charlie was one of my favorites too. Awesome to see him with a big role in that last episode.

Requiem

04-09-2010, 03:19 AM

that doesnt explain widmore electrocuting him in the last episode and him still living.... the first flash did something to him and was never going to kill him

I'd say the first flash certainly DID something to him, but I would put what it did to him, as the thing that happened due to him not being able to kill himself...

As in.. it wasn't so simple as a fuse going out. That energy HAD to be released. So since he couldn't kill himself.. it was as if he was MEANT to turn the key, because of the event that took place when he did.. The whole traveling to another life, and flashing between realities, etc..

So yeah. The flash did something to him, and it made him 'special' so to speak. Capable of doing these things, and now in a position to tell the people in the alternate reality what he's experienced. Widmore shocking him again wouldn't do anything now, because of whatever the first shock did to him.

I look at it as just a possible avenue of Jacob's plan.

Corporate CockSnogger

04-13-2010, 12:47 PM

So tonight sees the return of...

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Hanso Amore

04-13-2010, 01:38 PM

I hope when this is all done, they reveal original plans for characters they had to kill off for various reasons

IE

Libby (DUI)
Ana Lucia (DUI)
Eko (Left the show for another)

etc.

SlickyTrickyDamon

04-13-2010, 01:49 PM

I heard that Ana was only going to be a one season character even without the DUI.

So, "their coming" will that refer to Widmore's new science team with the Danielle Rouseau lookalike?

Or, that the Alternate Universe Oceanic 815'ers will be coming?

Or MVP?

About Eko: I'm sure that Desmond replaced whatever function Mr. Eko was going to perform. He was always about trying to save Charlie too.

FearedSanctity

04-13-2010, 02:02 PM

I hope when this is all done, they reveal original plans for characters they had to kill off for various reasons

IE

Libby (DUI)
Ana Lucia (DUI)
Eko (Left the show for another)

etc.

Read somewhere that after it ends the writers won't be talking about anything.

Basically when it's done, they're done.

Ermaximus

04-13-2010, 02:04 PM

Read somewhere that after it ends the writers won't be talking about anything.

Basically when it's done, they're done.

I heard they plan to leave the show open ended so they have the possibility to do a movie, but we'll see what happens.

FearedSanctity

04-13-2010, 02:13 PM

Think I'd prefer they just let Lost end on TV. IMO that's where it belongs. A movie just wouldn't feel the same to me.

Jon Kano

04-13-2010, 02:40 PM

Eko left the show because the actor's brother died and he is very religious and I think he requested to be written out.

Desmond was an important character of season 2 onward, he turned the key which started off his true story line at the end of season 2, Eko didn't get killed off until episode 5 of season 3. Desmond's storyline was always Desmond's to begin with.

Lock Jaw

04-13-2010, 02:58 PM

Eko seemed pretty important at one point though. Hopefully they at the very least MENTION him sometime.

Jon Kano

04-13-2010, 03:22 PM

He did indeed.

Think he was last mentioned as being an opponant of Hurley's at a game of chess, 'Your move, Mr. Eko' lol

thedamndest

04-13-2010, 03:28 PM

Either wikipedia or lostpedia said he wanted back in for the last season. Hope that happens.

Jon Kano

04-13-2010, 03:29 PM

I personally think there ARE a fair few more people to come back; Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia, Shannon, Boone again maybe, Charlie more, even Juliet.

Ermaximus

04-13-2010, 03:30 PM

Either wikipedia or lostpedia said he wanted back in for the last season. Hope that happens.

Maybe he is the "last recruit." :shifty:

Jeritron

04-13-2010, 03:31 PM

If he shows up it will be in the alternate universe

Jon Kano

04-13-2010, 03:33 PM

I have been thinking about 'the last recruit' and it is going to be very interesting as to what side they are on, as well as who they are.

Jeritron

04-13-2010, 03:33 PM

I personally think there ARE a fair few more people to come back; Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia, Shannon, Boone again maybe, Charlie more, even Juliet.

I think Juliet is Jack's ex-wife in the alternate universe. They mention her, but they never showed her. I'm curious to see who it is, if they reveal it

Jeritron

04-13-2010, 03:34 PM

I have been thinking about 'the last recruit' and it is going to be very interesting as to what side they are on, as well as who they are.

Probably Walt

Lock Jaw

04-13-2010, 03:51 PM

Juliet is probably gonna play a part in alternate Swayer's "awakening" by Desmond.

Corporate CockSnogger

04-13-2010, 04:00 PM

Blitz

04-13-2010, 10:02 PM

Fucking amazing episode.

Loose Cannon

04-13-2010, 10:03 PM

OH. MY. GOD. ahajhakahakhaka

Loose Cannon

04-13-2010, 10:03 PM

and the Willy Wonka thing in the preview. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ermaximus

04-13-2010, 10:04 PM

Wow. Just wow. Payback from Desmond on Locke much?

PapaGeorgio

04-13-2010, 10:10 PM

Badass use of Willy Wonka song.

Requiem

04-13-2010, 10:14 PM

Pretty awesome. MIB looked kind of confused/scared for a moment when he asked Desmond why he wasn't afraid.

Ogen

04-13-2010, 10:23 PM

That was top stuff, also any chance we can not discuss whats in the following weeks preview thing. Quite like going into each episode with no idea whatsoever whats going to unfold.

Reavant

04-13-2010, 11:02 PM

Then dont go in the thread

Supreme Olajuwon

04-13-2010, 11:03 PM

Can't believe I never made the Willy Wonka looking for a candidate to run his factory connection. Jacob is Wonka. IT'S SO OBVIOUS

Reavant

04-13-2010, 11:08 PM

I like how Desmond is the new jacob in the new reality.

Im betting that the smoke monster couldnt kill desmond because desmond lives through electromagnetic stuff and the smoke monster looks like it has electricity going through it. Probably why we see sayeed shooting at him in the well.

Blitz

04-13-2010, 11:12 PM

We saw Sayid shooting. Doesn't mean it was at Desmond though.

Sayid has been creepy as fuck the last few eps. Kudos to Naveen Andrews.

Hanso Amore

04-13-2010, 11:38 PM

Ok

So We know Desmond lives by the preview...but not sure if being trapped will be a big deal.

Ilana got the Artz treatment LOl

I totally told Kano or Fangel their Locke coming back idea was shit, but now think it has beanring.

Sadly.

he will like internally fight MIB for the world.

Like Phoenix.

I love Hugo though. Guy just is scared, alone and wants to be loved.

Libby is looking OLD!

Hanso Amore

04-13-2010, 11:38 PM

OH

And we all now know that the Wispers are not the others

hey are the dead that cannot move on

Reavant

04-13-2010, 11:55 PM

yea that was a cool revelation

Buzzkill

04-14-2010, 01:01 AM

Anyone think Michael was the smoke monster?

wwe2222

04-14-2010, 01:29 AM

Anyone think Michael was the smoke monster?

no, the smoke monster cannot take other forms at this point

wwe2222

04-14-2010, 01:32 AM

OH

And we all now know that the Wispers are not the others

hey are the dead that cannot move on

I though it was a cool revelation, but I thought Michael's delivery of it really fell flat. Whether or not this was the original plan for the whispers I have no idea, but when you read the transcripts of the whispers, it certainly fits.

Corporate CockSnogger

04-14-2010, 05:29 AM

When Michael was telling Hurley to say sorry to Libby if he ever saw her I was at least hoping for her "...but I had to do it, THEY TOOK MY SON!!!" :(

Hanso Amore

04-14-2010, 08:11 AM

WAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTT

Hanso Amore

04-14-2010, 09:54 AM

LOL

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/millies-tv-house/137400d1271217185-lost-hows_desmond.jpg

Loose Cannon

04-14-2010, 11:16 AM

no, the smoke monster cannot take other forms at this point

what do you mean? Because I too thought he was the smoke monster until I realized he wasn't as the episode progressed. But what do you mean he cannot take other forms now?

Jon Kano

04-14-2010, 11:56 AM

He cannot change from his current John Locke form. We do not know why. But Ilana said this to Ben as they were on their way to bury the real Locke. Whoever though it was Michael needs to pay more attention :D

Loose Cannon

04-14-2010, 12:08 PM

I'm telling you, my short term memory is terrible. plus I'm a terrible listener. just as my wife.

Jon Kano

04-14-2010, 12:10 PM

I just wrote out a fucking whole post of replies and thoughts on this episode but something went fucking wrong so I'll have to do it later!!! FUCK

Jeritron

04-14-2010, 02:49 PM

Quick question:

Jacob told Richard what the Island really was. Did Richard share this information with Jack, Sun, Ilana, etc. to get them to cooperate with him in stopping MIB? Or were they just trusting him?

I don't feel like going back just to find that out. I was just curious if Jack and co. know what fake Locke's deal is

Jeritron

04-14-2010, 02:57 PM

I'm guessing that Richard, Linus and Miles will probably end up with Whidmore and co.

It's interesting how the "war" or conflict has sort of shifted to MIB vs Whidmore, and not MIB vs Jacob.
I'm curious to see where Jacob will fit into all of this again, since him and MIB are still directly opposed and in conflict.
Hurley and Jack also seem to still trust Jacob, despite going to see MIB.

Richard is obviously on Jacob's side as of now, and fears MIB more than anyone. I'm curious to see how Whidmore feels about Jacob.
Is he waging this war for Jacob, The Island, or is he just concerned for the greater good?
Or is he really in it for power?

Interesting. It's very hard to tell what a lot of motives are here, and what each side of the conflict stands for. It's a total mystery at this point. We really just know there is a conflict brewing, rather than what it really is.

Hanso Amore

04-14-2010, 03:40 PM

Its almost like there are 3 factions

Widmore

MIB

Jacobs candidates.

While Widmore is seemingly a JAcob follower, he seems to sort of be on his own.

Jeritron

04-14-2010, 03:42 PM

I don't trust Whidmore's group as being good. Especially now that all of the shows heroes are in MIB's camp.
I'm still not sure if MIB will turn out to be the good one, and Jacob the bad one. I did for a while, but I don't think so now.
MIB continues to be not only creepy, but flat out bad. Maybe the Oceanic crew will use him or align with him, but I don't know.

Really just want to see the rest of the episodes. Waiting a week sucks.

Jeritron

04-14-2010, 03:47 PM

I'm thinking maybe Jack will re-emerge as the leader, and get himself and all of the other Oceanic crew off the island and say fuck you to MIB, Jacob and Whidmore and let them figure it out on the Island.

Or not. FUCK. I don't know. Something has to give with the whole conflict and the keeping of the Island/candidates too.
This show is remarkable. It manages to keep me guessing and completely interested

Corporate CockSnogger

04-14-2010, 03:51 PM

wwe2222

04-14-2010, 03:51 PM

I also love how calm and cool Desmond has been throughout all this. After 3 years of being told how special he is, they are really coming through on this so far.

FearedSanctity

04-14-2010, 03:59 PM

I can definitely see my thought from some time last year coming true.. in that in the end, MiB will still be on the island still in Lockes body and he will walk up to Jack (now in Jacobs role) sitting on the beach, mirroring the Jacob/MiB scene from The Incident.

That'd be pretty cool. He sits down, and then....

http://lostaf.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/vlcsnap-147269.png?w=450&h=253

Jon Kano

04-14-2010, 04:03 PM

or

FOUND

FearedSanctity

04-14-2010, 04:07 PM

Nah, that closing screen has been so constant it'd anger me if they changed it. I love mimicking the sound every time it's about to come up

Jon Kano

04-14-2010, 04:09 PM

Jesus christ they better not do it then if it angers you, shit.

FearedSanctity

04-14-2010, 04:12 PM

Relax there guy, not that serious. Also wouldn't make all that much sense since not only have they been found already, but they probably wouldn't be found that time either since they'd be leaving themselves. But I dunno, a lot happens in Lost over a 4 episode span

Impact!

04-15-2010, 03:14 PM

Still wanna know what's up with that kid who keeps appearing near (and scaring) Locke.

Lock Jaw

04-15-2010, 03:26 PM

Charlie from the Chocolate Factory.

Jon Kano

04-15-2010, 06:53 PM

Still wanna know what's up with that kid who keeps appearing near (and scaring) Locke.

Here is my take on him at the moment...

The kid is Jacob. Or someone MIB got killed or had something to do with being killed. Or maybe even his son...

Anyway, it's what he says which is important. 'You can't kill him, you know the rules'. I stated when the The Substitute had aired that 'him' could very well be Jacob. I don't think he was talking about sawyer, because MIB needs him.

I really do think it's possible MIB 'broke the rules' like Widmore supposedly did when Keamy killed Ben's daughter.

Ben stabbed Jacob, but he wasn't dead until MIB kicked him into the fire. He killed him. In essence, this could mean that he has already lost or has a price to pay. Or has to do something else and further for him to 'win'.

Either way, whoever the kid is, the Island allows it to communicate with MIB and all those who see it. Maybe is a sign that the good side is winning, the more who can see it because they are now 'ready' and no longer flawed, as Mikhail once put it. Although the people he said it to were candidates, he said they were not on the list.

I have still not written and replied to the latest posts on the latest episode, I have a few good points to make. Hopefully tomorrow. Can't actually believe that even though it's weekly, we are already near the end :(