LOST Theories (will have spoliers)

[Lock Jaw]

I hear ABC is spinning off Richard and Miles into a sitcom in which that very thing happens!

[Loose Cannon]

I'm am still rewatching season 2 right now. I noticed in one of the Sayid Flashbacks that he meets Kates father (via him showing Sayid a picture of Kate) as they were riding in the army truck.

By the way, I am trying to undrstand if Jughead did anything other then transport the '77 people into 2007? Is that all it did? Season 5 was a huge mind fuck for me, so I really need to rewatch that one.

[Jeritron]

It didn't create an alternate universe, that we know of. It had nothing to do with the afterlife universe we saw all season. They basically pulled the wool over our eyes and made us think Jughead "worked."
It didn't work as they intended it to, but it essentially worked since it transported them back to 2007 and everything went down the way it did.

I think what it basically did was just cause "The Incident" that we always heard happened at The Swan before they put the button there. The bomb definitely didn't go off normally because that would fuck the whole place up, but it probably caused a big burst of energy from that pocket.
My guess is pretty much that the explosion and the release of energy from the pocket neutralized eachother and caused a flash that sent them back to 2007. Dharma filled in the hole, finished The Hatch, and put the button there which eventually made them crash. Makes sense to me. Mindfuck for sure though.

[Loose Cannon]

got ya.

Since you mentioned Jughead (and somebody might have mentioned this a couple pages back), but I like how Juliet says "It worked" to James in the Afterlife timeline at the vending machine. It's like she already crossed over when she said "It worked" as she lay in the hole.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It would be funny to see Richard trying to adapt to a normal life in 2007. He'd probably need Miles help just as much as Hurley needs Ben's

He's been going on and off the Island for years remember, he visited Locke early on in his life, plus he was part of the Mittelos Bioscience team that the others used to recruit Juliet. One can assume he was used to recruit other people too.

[Blue Demon]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20387946_4,00.html

Kind of an interesting read

[Jeritron]

He's been going on and off the Island for years remember, he visited Locke early on in his life, plus he was part of the Mittelos Bioscience team that the others used to recruit Juliet. One can assume he was used to recruit other people too.

Yea I know but even still he probably would be new to a lot of things. He obviously knows how the world has changed, but I doubt he's had to do a lot of everyday things.

[XL]

Can someone hook me up with a link to a decent download of the finale?

[Jeritron]

Just read an interesting blog about how the Valenzetti equation predicted the numbers were variables in averting the end of the world, and how they ended up being the candidates, and changing one of them (Jack) is what saved everything.
Pretty cool.

I read a few comments of people complaining. It's amazing to me how many people seem to have missed the point entirely.
One guy was complaining about not getting any kind of answer about "why they went through everything they did" and "why the island was so mysterious"
He also was asking what connection there was between the afterlife and The Island.

[Jeritron]

I guess The Island and the afterlife don't have any real tangible connection, aside from the story and characters. That's like questioning what kind of connection there is between the island and all of the other flashbacks and flashforwards though.
Story and character.

On a much larger scale, I would say the fact that the Island is destiny and the grand source of all life/death is more than enough connection with an undefined spiritual afterlife. I think it's safe to say whatever all powerful force the island is part of, is also connected with life after death.
Everything they did in life (particularly on the island) is what led up to their afterlife. Everything in their life led up to The Island.

That's like asking what connection our lives as human and the world as we know it have with the afterlife (if there is one.)

[Jeritron]

It seems as though an awful lot of people who are seriously lacking in imagination got invested in Lost. I don't know how that happened.

It would seem to me that it's the exact type of show people like that shouldn't have any interest in, since the sci fi and broad metaphysical elements are a massive part of it.
I suppose it was so compelling that it lured in a lot of people whose alley it really probably wasn't up.

Even personally I noticed a lot of people interested in Lost that had never had interest in things like it before.
I think somewhere along the line people like that decided they would accept these things for a while, as long as they got concrete, by-the-numbers answers that led to the unexplainable being explained in a way that made it real.

Ultimately I don't think it was the right show for them, and never was going to be. They may not have realized it but they were watching for answers and explanation of the unknown, and not for the actual show.

[Lock Jaw]

It seems as though an awful lot of people who are seriously lacking in imagination got invested in Lost. I don't know how that happened.

It happened because for the first two seasons or so, the show was relatively "grounded". I know people who started watching it, but then stopped when it started getting really crazy and "sci fi"ish.

I mean, I had no idea this is what I was signing up for when I originally began to watch a show about a group of crash survivors on an Island, trying to cooperate with each other and escape.

[Lara Emily]

It happened because for the first two seasons or so, the show was relatively "grounded". I know people who started watching it, but then stopped when it started getting really crazy and "sci fi"ish.

I mean, I had no idea this is what I was signing up for when I originally began to watch a show about a group of crash survivors on an Island, trying to cooperate with each other and escape.

Oh come on there was a fucking smoke monster in the damn Pilot

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I would say the first season especialy had a lot of mysteries and had a lot of super natural stuff in it. The 3rd season kind of had the violence and the action when they faced off against The Others.

[Lock Jaw]

Oh come on there was a fucking smoke monster in the damn Pilot

You didn't know it was a smoke monster though.


"Whatevs". There is a definite shift in the series at some point or other, where it becomes more... "Fantastical".

Which has caused some people I know to stop watching.

For the record, I thought it was brilliant.

[VSG]

Many friends I know stopped watching around season 4 when the time travel concept got its thrust. Guess that was their line.

[Jeritron]

The show definitely became more heavy when it comes to science fiction and the like, but that's not really a new direction it took, it was just the progession of the story and things ratcheting up as it moved on.
The writing was definitely on the wall. I know what you mean about it starting more grounded, like a Lord of the Flies type deal, but that was just the natural way of entering the story.
There were tons of supernatural elements from the get go, and it's obvious that's where they were always going with it.
I would argue that those people should have seen it coming.

[Requiem]

I think the thing that depresses me most about this show being over, is that it will either be never, or a very long time before another show comes along that's "like" LOST.

[VSG]

Well Fringe is a poor man's replacement, but I watch it nonetheless.

[McLegend]

Wasn't "Lost" originally based on the Tom Hanks movie "Cast Away?"

That's what I always thought.

[The Destroyer]

The initial pre-Abrams concept was partially based on it, yes.

[Requiem]

Well Fringe is a poor man's replacement, but I watch it nonetheless.

Fringe got pretty awesome this season, but yeah.. It is not the same as LOST.

[XL]

Can someone hook me up with a link to a decent download of the finale?

[Ogen]

http://www.ninjavideo.net/ either stream it from there or let the video load and right click save as. Perfect quality.

[Jeritron]

So I've been watching through the series again gradually since the finale. It's been pretty awesome. It's a totally new experience really.
I'm pretty amazed at how clearly crafted some of the revelations of season six are.

I was just watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, and it's obvious that The Smoke Monster is an intelligent being with an agenda, who can imitate the dead. It's all but told. I don't know how everyone didn't notice this clue, but as something that wasn't revealed until season six I was pretty impressed by this. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
Seriously, if you can watch that episode you'll know what I'm talking about.

All of the stuff that comes afterwards with the cabin, Christian, and the events leading up to the loophole are definitely coordinated.

There have been a lot of other things too, like The Others being "the good guys", and the importance of the candidates.

I always thought it was way more planned out than some people gave credit for, but I always felt that it was perfectly natural and obvious that some parts were made up as it went along. And a lot were, but I'm pretty sure there were major decisions made as early as season 2 that carried over until the end.

Still have no clue why people are so hung up on Walt. Upon watching Season 2 again, it's even more ridiculous to me. They flat out adress the fact that he's special, but The Others want him because he's an innocent. They have no problems letting him go in exchange for Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley.
Completely overblown "loose end."

[Jeritron]

Might start posting in this thread after every disc just to keep it alive for a while longer

[RoXer]

Alvarado just finished watching walkabout. I think he knows better than to post in here though

[Jeritron]

I predict Alvarado taps out in the third season. If he makes it to season 5, he might just pass out

[XL]

I was just watching the episode where Mr. Eko dies, and it's obvious that The Smoke Monster is an intelligent being with an agenda, who can imitate the dead. It's all but told. I don't know how everyone didn't notice this clue, but as something that wasn't revealed until season six I was pretty impressed by this. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Did nobody notice this?

I remember reading early on that people thought the Smoke Monster had intelligence and wan't just a killing machine/security system. The thing with appearing as the dead was picked up pretty quickly too if I remember correctly.

[wwe2222]

Did nobody notice this?

I remember reading early on that people thought the Smoke Monster had intelligence and wan't just a killing machine/security system. The thing with appearing as the dead was picked up pretty quickly too if I remember correctly.

I think most people got this. It clearly scanned Eko and ran through his memories, and was pretty obvious it was Yemi

The Cabin stuff still doesnt seem all that clear to me, and I still dont know why Richard told Locke to kill his father or why the Others were trying to kill the 815ers

[Loose Cannon]

yep, just saw that one the other day when the Smoke Monster meets Eko for the first time. Yea, I agree. totally new experience watching them over and you really do see things coordinate till the end. Like in season 2, Goodwin (the guy who Ana Lucia kills) explains about the list and how they took the good people and he killed Nathan because Nathan was bad. And then I think Ben later admited it was Goodwin's plan to try and change Ana Lucia's ways to make her a good person.

[Lock Jaw]

I think The Others were being manipulated by the Smoke Monster through Ben (and the cabin), which is why for much of the time they seemed pretty antagonistic.

[Hanso Amore]

That was never addressed, I think IMHO iswas slightly implied. In write ups from people "In the know" they say that is in fact truth. But hardly proven in show. I think it makes the most sense as well.

I just reead the truce with the Dharma on Lostpedia. Like they never talk about it on the show really but they actually have the document. Pretty cool stuff.

[Hanso Amore]

You know what? The "Good People" in theory were everyone but the Candidates in a way. The candidates were flawed and incomplete like Jacob said.

I used to think that Smokey was pulling bens strings because they tried to kill the candidates...but in fact maybe Jacob wanted them to go through all that stuff. THey had to learn to accept their calling

[Hanso Amore]

Seriously think about that Jack/Kate goodbye all these weeks later still gets me man.

Like damn

[Jeritron]

The Others weren't really trying to kill the 815ers though. Most of their evil actions are things that Ben is calling the shots on, not Jacob. Since Ben is lying about his commune with Jacob, he's basically going rogue and manipulating the group for his own agenda.

They kidnap Claire to help her baby, it just doesn't seem that way at first.
They kidnap the children and flight attendant, and several others, and then we see them living good lives. The people that they kidnap end up genuinely getting better lives, since they're probably people who weren't candidates or part of any plan/lists, and are innocent bystanders.
Kidnapping Jack, Kate and Sawyer was all Ben's brainchild, so that he could save his own ass from the spinal tumor and get Jack to operate on him.
Kidnapping Walt was probably to give him a better life, as he's an innocent child and special, but then later presented more value to The Others as a means of gaining Ben's escape, and trading up for the spinal surgeon.

The Smoke Monster was definitely pulling manipulation with the cabin at some point to though.
I think a big part of the reason Jacob and Ben didn't have a direct commune is because Ben was never Jacob's choice to lead The Others. Widmore was, and Ben taking over was Ben's ambition.
Locke was special and the next choice for the job.

[Jeritron]

You know what? The "Good People" in theory were everyone but the Candidates in a way. The candidates were flawed and incomplete like Jacob said.

I used to think that Smokey was pulling bens strings because they tried to kill the candidates...but in fact maybe Jacob wanted them to go through all that stuff. THey had to learn to accept their calling

This too. I think Jacob sort of looks the other way in allowing a lot to happen in the era of Ben's leadership. He may or may not even call for a few of those things to happen.
He definitely has little to no involvement in Ben's regime though.
Smoke Monster definitely has more, but I think Ben is pulling the majority of the strings in his secret confusion, while Jacob's probably reluctantly letting it go for a greater good.
It all plays into the ultimate patchwork of destiny.

[Jeritron]

I was reading some stuff on Lostpedia today where a few people actually are trying to argue that the flash sideways is really a parallel universe and 'real life', not an afterlife.
Sort of staggering. I think that would be a case of forcing a theory due to not accepting what is told.

They also contend that the Incident created that timeline, regardless of whether it's an afterlife or not.
I'm not sure how detonating that bomb and theoretically preventing the incident (even though they really caused it), would lead to the creation of something like heaven.
I mean, we were intentionally led to think that for a while before the twist, but that ship has sailed. I dunno.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah good shit Jeri. Your right.

Ben was never chosen. He was shot by Sayid, taken to the temple and wanted to be an other because of his dad. He wasnt special. He just refused to take orders from Widmore.

How do you think WIdmore got rich? When and how did he have Penny? Widmore is a superinteresting character to me. I wish we had gotten more out of him.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/102507964.png

[Jeritron]

Widmore is interesting to me because he was the leader of "the good guys", but he's extremely mean to Desmond for no real reason.
Maybe he's just really protective of his daughter, but it's intense. I always figured that his success in the real world was probably just the result of being such a powerful and influential person by nature, going from a leader on the island to a leader in the real world.
No clue though. I think his character became a major force late enough in the show that flashbacks weren't really being done anymore. He would have had an interesting flashback episode, if they saw fit to do so.

I also think Widmore is probably one of those characters that had their role evolved due to popularity. Desmond got very popular, and in turn Widmore probably saw an increased role/connection to The Island.
I wouldn't be suprised at all if his original involvement wasn't supposed to go any further than being a douchebag to Desmond about Penny. Who knows though.

[Hanso Amore]

I was reading some stuff on Lostpedia today where a few people actually are trying to argue that the flash sideways is really a parallel universe and 'real life', not an afterlife.
Sort of staggering. I think that would be a case of forcing a theory due to not accepting what is told.

They also contend that the Incident created that timeline, regardless of whether it's an afterlife or not.
I'm not sure how detonating that bomb and theoretically preventing the incident (even though they really caused it), would lead to the creation of something like heaven.
I mean, we were intentionally led to think that for a while before the twist, but that ship has sailed. I dunno.

Exactly. The Bomb going off and then this new "timeline" was a swerve. It was meant to make us think that so the final seen was all WTF

So any idiot that didnt get that is a fucking tard.

[Hanso Amore]

Well it was jut off to me that He was thrown off the island post Purge, so like what, 1992? And he is such a big player by 2001 when Desmond goes on the boat race? So he mut have been powerful in the real world before leaving the island ofr good, so that would be cool to know about.

I would love a Dharma book or something too.

Like I dont expect them to keep beating the lost horse...but why not write some books or something on the Lost world outside of the show...Jus seems like it happens with every other major story,.

[XL]

We know that Widmore was travelling off island don't we? He already had a life off island - in which he made dome woman pregnant with Penny. So he could have been accumilating that wealth/power long before he was banished by Ben.

[Jeritron]

Exactly. The Bomb going off and then this new "timeline" was a swerve. It was meant to make us think that so the final seen was all WTF

So any idiot that didnt get that is a fucking tard.

Not to mention their reasoning was pretty horrible from what I could be bothered reading.
One guy basically dropped common sense on them, telling them that it was clearly an afterlife and they were wishful thinking.
One retort was "then why were characters able to be hurt, and get surgery, and things like that? That doesn't sound like an afterlife to me."
I mean come on. That's all part of the experience. They aren't actually in mortal danger. That's like saying dreams are reality because realistic things happen, or hell isn't a depiction of an afterlife because torture and burning are worldly things.

Also, no conceivable way to argue that detonating jughead would create an afterlife. An afterlife is on a higher plane than time loop and quantum physics.
Detonating jughead specifically was theorized to prevent the incident and screw up the space-time continum, not create another dimension of eternal existence.
I bet this idea comes solely from Juliet saying "it worked", but she obviously meant something different. She meant there was another place where their troubles were over, and everything they did was working towards it.


I read some really interesting things about the afterlife while I was there though. Most of them have to do with passage of time in the flash sideways. Like Christian says, "there is no now." It's not reality with rules of time like the real world. It's all happening in both an instant and for eternity, and people arrive at that point whether they died 5 years before the finale, or a thousand years after it.
That's obvious, but some small touches hinted towards it:

I guess time passes with no rhyme or reason if you pay attention. At some point Sayid experiences multiple days while Sun and Jin only experience one day even though their stories are interwoven, and there are things like Jack showing up to the concert late, the concert having the tables set for it weeks in advance, Lockes surgery taking place hours before the concert.
We actually caught that one in this thread and wondered how it would work...

Pretty interesting stuff that the writers obviously worked in there, but were able to keep secret

[Jeritron]

We know that Widmore was travelling off island don't we? He already had a life off island - in which he made dome woman pregnant with Penny. So he could have been accumilating that wealth/power long before he was banished by Ben.

I think Jacob's people are also a bit of a secret society. I'm not saying this is where he got all his money and success, but it seems as though they have a lot of connections.
He may have even been powerful, or from a powerful family, before he came to be on the island.
Like XL said, he could also have been building power in the real world during his time as leader on the island, perhaps even using those resources to help his real world interests, and vice versa.

[Hanso Amore]

I love the "there is no now" line.

[Jeritron]

I was just thinking, what was the deal with that cut on Jack's neck that kept bleeding (in the afterlife)?
I figure it was probably small instances of trying to get him to realize where he was.

[Loose Cannon]

The Others weren't really trying to kill the 815ers though. Most of their evil actions are things that Ben is calling the shots on, not Jacob. Since Ben is lying about his commune with Jacob, he's basically going rogue and manipulating the group for his own agenda..

This is true because if you go back to my post, it was later revealed Ben sent Goodwin to the Tail Section because he thought Goodwin eventually would die. Ben wanted Goodwin dead because Goodwin and Juliet were having a relaitonship and Ben was jealous.

[Jeritron]

I'm on Season 3 right now, and the episodes with Desmond beginning to have his flashes. These are way better than I originally thought they were. Great writing.

While I was watching Flashes Before Your Eyes, the whole time I was thinking all of this stuff with Desmond's consciousness in the past and Eloise telling him about the button and the Island before he ever goes can't be happening, because it will change how things go and he will know when he gets there. Since we know that isn't the case, it wouldn't be "what happened happened", but another reality.
Then his mistaken deja vu leads to him getting clocked in the head with a baseball bat and bingo, he's back to 2004.
That was so perfect because it must have caused an amnesia that made him forget about the things Eloise told him that day, and everything that happened there had in fact always happened. It had to.

Just great writing.

[Jeritron]

Still haven't gotten to The Constant. I dont' remember how they handle the explanation for his consciousness flashes back to 1996.
I would assume that when they originally happened to him in 1996, he sort of lost consciousness and didn't know what happened. They were probably like blank spots in his memory that he didn't recall or even notice back then, and wouldn't have any significance to him until 2004 when they started happening.
Going on the what happened happened rule, though, it is most likely the case that his 1996 self always experience those flashes, and his consciousness at the time got pushed out for a few minutes here and there.

[Loose Cannon]

I love the "there is no now" line.

probably my fav speech of the entire show. probably my fav scene next to Sawyer killing Picket. I marked out big time over that. Also, the scene when they get the boat in the water in season one with Vincent running towards it was amazing. Top 3 right there.

[Jeritron]

Watching the show over now is great too because I can more fully appreciate the writing, and the sheer scope and quality of it.
I always appreciate those things, as it was my favorite show, but at the same time I was always caught up in the story and where it was going.
Now that we've reached the end and gotten resolution, it's easier to casually enjoy a lot of things.


Fucking love the locations. It's astounding that it's a TV show. I don't even think any movies approach the incredible location shooting on Lost, with the exception of New Zealand in Lord of the Rings, probably.

[RoXer]

I was just thinking, what was the deal with that cut on Jack's neck that kept bleeding (in the afterlife)?
I figure it was probably small instances of trying to get him to realize where he was.

Parellel to getting stabbed in the throat by Smocke. Same thing with getting hiss spendix removed, getting stabbed there.

[VSG]

I am so tempted to watch LOST all over right now, but I will probably wait till someone uploads the complete dvd set with the extras. Hopefully they are worth it.

[RoXer]

I'm curious if you'd like to expand about the use of looking in mirrors in the afterlife universe.

[Hanso Amore]

Parellel to getting stabbed in the throat by Smocke. Same thing with getting hiss spendix removed, getting stabbed there.

Exactly.

Once he started getting close to the people he knew and was close to, his real life and death started bleeding into his alt verse leading to him remembering.

I really wish he would have come to more of a realization with Kate.

HEr saying "I have missed you so much" makes so much sense when you realize she lived without him. Could have had us all in tears had he remembered then that he died and left he on that cliff.

[RP]

Exactly.

Once he started getting close to the people he knew and was close to, his real life and death started bleeding into his alt verse leading to him remembering.

I really wish he would have come to more of a realization with Kate.

HEr saying "I have missed you so much" makes so much sense when you realize she lived without him. Could have had us all in tears had he remembered then that he died and left he on that cliff.

i thought it was good the way it was. I would even argue that, that one scene redeemed the entire Kate charachter. When she said " I have missed you so much " and then after seeing the end and me finally realizing what she meant by that, it was perfect.

[Jeritron]

QUESTION-

In "The Constant", Desmond's 1996 consciessness takes over and skips back and forth between 96 and 04.
He fixes this by tracking down Faraday and finding his constant, but the question is this:
Why does his circa 2004 self not seem to have been effected by these events?
We know that whatever happened happened. So the Desmond of 2004 would remember that strange day in 1996.
The only thing I can really think that covers this is that none of what he experiences during the flashes gives away that he's on the island. It's all on the helicopter and the boat.
Perhaps he just never connected the two. But he knew that he would be calling Penny in 2004, so why wouldn't he know that the situation was coming?

[Hanso Amore]

Maybe he was flashing to an afterlife like in this season. Just like that one time he goes back to when he broke up with Penny. thats why Faradays mom told him he couldnt change anything, hes always going to the island, because its now an afterlife and he did go to the island.

[Hanso Amore]

Wait, nevermind....Penny and Faraday remember it. So it was real. At least the constant.

[Hanso Amore]

Maybe it ties into how Faraday went and met him in the past, t hen he didnt remember until 3 years after he left the island.

[thedamndest]

2004 Desmond can't remember telling himself something in 1996 until he does it in 2004, though by all rights the memory should be with him already in 2004. Regardless, he still has to actually "do it" in 2004 to make it happen in 1996. Seems like a paradox.

[PapaGeorgio]

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. " -The Doctor

[Jeritron]

Well, during his flashes to 2004, he is confused and disoriented. Until he's told to find Farady, he thinks they're dreams.
The only people he sees are Sayid, who he doesn't recognize obviously, and the doctor/patient on the boat.
So it's not like he'd know they had any connection to the island until after the entire episode in 2004.
He probably remembers the 1996 flashes and going to see Faraday, but chalks it up as a confusing/strange episode in his life 8 years earlier that had no correlation to the events on the island.
Until afterwards.

The only thing is he knows he will call Penny 8 years later, so he would remember that was coming up. Or not. 8 years is a long time and he probably moved on from the whole episode.
I don't really keep in mind any strange dreams or episodes that happened to me 8 years ago.

[VSG]

Going back in time to tell your past self something should guarantee that happens to you in the present timeline if you go by the theory that season 5 followed. The time spent in between the time travel "spots" should be irrelevant then right?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

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[thedamndest]

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[RoXer]

I'm curious if you'd like to expand about the use of looking in mirrors in the afterlife universe.

Was talking to you, Jeritron. Or have you given up on that theme?

[XL]

Those Totally Lost videos were cool. I started watching all of them for Season 6 but they seem to have dried up 3 episodes in!?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100716/Lost-Ben-DVD-6_400.jpg

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20385926_20386375,00.html

Not a lot of information but just thought I'd post for anybody interested.

[XL]

The season 6 DVD, out Aug. 24, offers an original, 12-minute vignette called ''The New Man in Charge,'' a tantalizing look at what Hurley (Jorge Garcia) and Ben (Michael Emerson, left) do as the new Island overseers. ''Ben is going around to Dharma installations and closing some down,'' Emerson says. ''There are some good surprises.'' And yes, ''it does answer questions.

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That's from the link. Interesting.

[Jeritron]

Really interesting. I assume these are Dharma installations that were left still operating after Dharma got purged?

[XL]

Someone in the comments (amongst all the bitching about how it ended) speculated that the picture shows Ben in what seems to be a supply room, perhaps answering where the Dharma Food Drop came from...

[Lock Jaw]

Interesting. My thoughts:

http://i50.tinypic.com/4lt7pv.jpg

[Jeritron]

I agree Lock Jaw

[Corporate CockSnogger]

A part of me wishes this bonus feature was a full episode. But I think that's just me missing Lost.

[Jeritron]

I'm curious if you'd like to expand about the use of looking in mirrors in the afterlife universe.

I think they served two purposes as a storytelling device.

The main purpose would be their relevance to the afterlife. I think it represents the characters self reflection and the process of them discovering themselves before they move on.
We didn't know this until the last episode, so it was hard to make that connection, but the writers did.

The other purpose is to create parallel universe imagery. It was the idea of looking at another version of themselves, similar to the mirror universe we were seeing. I think it acted as a red herring to further sell us on the fact that it was in fact an alternate universe, which was the distraction all season building towards the reveal.
There were several cleverly placed items that helped seal our notion that it was definitely a parallel universe without actually saying such.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Interesting. My thoughts:

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"The Phenomenal" (A)Jack S(tyles)heppard

[Hanso Amore]

So the epilogue is online and may I say it is underwhelming to say the least

[Ultra Mantis]

So the epilogue is online and may I say it is underwhelming to say the least

Yeah it's not great, seems like they just tried to cram a bunch of answers into ten minutes. Still, I will take underwhelming Lost over no Lost :(

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It was pretty much what I expected from it. I loved how the writers seemed to be almost just taking the piss out of those people that needed every answer spoonfed to them with the "Just one question each" line.

[VSG]

You saw the bonus feature?

[PapaGeorgio]

I just watched it today. Pretty meh stuff. Nothing to special. Would have prefered a montage type video of what happened to Ben/Hurley over the years as leader.

[XL]

Link!?

[VSG]

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/08/07/losts-bonus-episode-new-man-in-charge-preview-clip-video/

This has a preview, and comments in there talk about it being available online. Searching now.

Ok, downloading a 100 mb file that claims to be the bonus feature now.

[VSG]

Just finished watching it, I will admit I loved it solely on the fact that it was more of LOST than anything else. It answers 3 main question, and I marked out for a Hurley appearance towards the end. Google "Lost new man in charge dvd rip", or PM me if you got trouble finding it.

[Lock Jaw]

I woulda cut the whole orientation video. We already knew why the polar bears were there.

[XL]

But it also gave an answer to the pregnancy complications. And a conclusive link that the polar bear in the desert was sent through time/space from the island at the Orchid station. And kinda gave an answer to the Hurley Bird.

[VSG]

It also explained why there was snow at the donkey wheel, and also the whole kidnapping of the hostiles as well as the losties for "study" to know more about Jacob.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I marked out for the Hurley bird.

[Hanso Amore]

The questions werent anything I cared about.

I would have rather had 10 minutes of ben training hurley and teaching him what he needs to know about the island.

[wwe2222]

I thought it was pretty entertaining for what it was.

Cleared up a few minor questions that alot of people (not here) were clamoring for (Supply drops, Chang's aliases, why polar bears were on main island when cages were at hydra, the pregnancy)

The walt stuff was good, too bad they couldnt have fit it into the show.

[thedamndest]

The spin-off should be sitcom where Ben and Hurley go around doing stuff in the real world that somehow answer common questions from Lost.

[CSL]

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[Shaggy]

Yea the epilogue answered and made me question more questions. Makes me wish there was a spinoff or atleast maybe a direct to DVD movie with Hurley and Ben.

[Blitz]

Sweet auction (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/46080)

[RoXer]

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Can't wait

[Ogen]

I thought the whole point of blu-ray was its ridiculous capacity? Why is that a 34 disk set? That was pretty much the main selling point of blu ray when I heard about it

[Corporate CockSnogger]

There's a little bit at the end of that video missing that shows that there's a hidden disc in the lid.

[Next Big Thing]

I shouldn't have watched that damn epilogue. It makes me want more episodes all over again. There's so much they can do with that. Ah!!!

[RoXer]

Damn. Ordered it with super saver shipping and still getting it tomorrow

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Not out for another 3 weeks here. I really want the complete collection but I've already got seasons 1-5 seperately.

[Lock Jaw]

Never even thought about this until now:

http://www.lostincomics.com/comics/2010-08-26-1up.jpg

[RoXer]

Rewatching the series and I'm through season 2.

The entire Adwale agbinh akdeehgaday situation pisses me off to no end because the Eko character deserves such a better ending. Would have loved to see him in the last season.

[RoXer]

Makes my stomach sick

[Requiem]

Eko would have been a badass character to have the whole way through. Think he could have been a solid 'main supporting character'.

[RoXer]

Was Libby's David Hurley's "Dave"? Kinda wish they expanded on that

[RoXer]

Also still think it would have been amazing if the woman Chrstian operated on while drunk was Sarah Shepard. Doubt they were thinking that far ahead though on the 3rd episode.

[RoXer]

I mean you talk about drama, that would be some heavy shit right there.

[XL]

Rewatching the series and I'm through season 2.

The entire Adwale agbinh akdeehgaday situation pisses me off to no end because the Eko character deserves such a better ending. Would have loved to see him in the last season.
I would have loved even a tiny "Afterlife" cameo.

[Next Big Thing]

Okay help me out here please.

1) Any time we saw Christian Shephard in human form on the island, it was the Man in Black assuming his image right?

2) It has pretty much been established that the Smoke Monster couldn't pass over water right? Otherwise, he wouldn't have needed the boat that Sawyer stole in order to get to the island that Charles Widmore was on. Hell, he wouldn't have been bound on the island for all those years if he could.

3) So in the scene where Michael is in the engine room with the bomb, and Christian appears and tells him you can go now, who the hell is that? If Smokey could make it to the freighter, couldn't he have done whatever he damn well pleased?

[Jon Kano]

Okay help me out here please.

1) Any time we saw Christian Shephard in human form on the island, it was the Man in Black assuming his image right?

2) It has pretty much been established that the Smoke Monster couldn't pass over water right? Otherwise, he wouldn't have needed the boat that Sawyer stole in order to get to the island that Charles Widmore was on. Hell, he wouldn't have been bound on the island for all those years if he could.

3) So in the scene where Michael is in the engine room with the bomb, and Christian appears and tells him you can go now, who the hell is that? If Smokey could make it to the freighter, couldn't he have done whatever he damn well pleased?

Just let it go, you have no other choice.

[Next Big Thing]

Just let it go, you have no other choice.

Okay. LOL. I just thought maybe I was missing something. Glad to know I'm not alone on that one.

[RoXer]

Don't forget if he was Dave, how could he fall into the water?

[Next Big Thing]

Don't forget if he was Dave, how could he fall into the water?

I don't think he was Dave. I think he could only take the form of dead people either buried on the island or in coffins on the island. (Locke, Christian, Alex)

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It appeared as Richard's bird Isabella.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Then again there are a few things about the Isabella story that are a bit daft. Like how Hurley could see her at the end of that episode, despite her never coming to the Island.

[Reavant]

Hurley could see dead people. They werent the monster, they were just dead and no one else could see them

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Yeah I know that, for a second I was thinking he could only see them where they died i.e. seeing Michael on the Island etc. But yeah, he saw plenty of people different places. Ignore my last post.

[Jeritron]

MIB was just confined to The Island. That's pretty clearly established. Who knows how or why. I don't think that matters, but he's trapped.

Him appearing on the freighter isn't really him leaving the island, even though it's across water.
The Island includes the surrounding waters up to some undetermined point. That's why people in boats go with it when it moves, or skips through time.

They can also go into the water and sail out to a certain distance, but they can't leave the area (without the proper bearings or coordinates etc.)

[Reavant]

Anyone watch the lst episode with ben and hurleys work after everyone left?

[Lock Jaw]

See: The last two pages

[Joe Kerr]

They should do a Dharma initative spin off

[Corporate CockSnogger]

No they shouldn't.

[Jon Kano]

If they were to do a spin off, the period between the first Island settlers to when 'mother' arrived would be good. OR between the period of Jacob as ruler to when Richard arrived.

[XL]

Received the S6 boxset today. Teh Bonus Features are pretty lacklustre for the final season.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The commentary from Damon and Carlton on 'Across the Sea' was pretty good. But yeah the behind the scenes documentaries weren't the best they could have been.

[RoXer]

Anyone have a season 6 OST torrent?

[RoXer]

No one?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Buy the DVDs you cheapskate :p

[RoXer]

I have the complete blu ray set.

Do the individual boxsets come with the OST for that season?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Oh, I didn't read what you said properly. I thought you were just looking for a season 6 torrent. Sorry man.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

In other news though NBC has apparently picked up a new Abrams show starring Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn. I remember reading something a while back about those two wanting to do a show together.

[Requiem]

Yesssss.. Heard it is about some ex Black-ops agents. Pretty much all I heard about it, but that is good news. Those two were destined to be on screen together.

[Jon Kano]

I read it was them as ex Black-ops agents trying to lead normal jobs/lives, and I also read they were ex hitmen/gangsters. Prob end up being the former, but I'd say the latter would be interesting also.

[VSG]

Doesn't matter what it is. I will watch it as long as the network airs it.

[RoXer]

Was watching the syndicated version of this, it was the final episode.

Man did they chop the hell out of this. For time I suppose. But even the final scene with Jack going to the church was chopped up. Even his conversation inside the church. They made the pauses and silences between the dialougue a little quicker. Completlyfucks up the flow.

At least they didn't go to commercial during that scene.

[RoXer]

Why even bother syndicating it? How good is the ratings for the midnight timeslot on sundays?

[Jon Kano]

Doesn't matter what it is. I will watch it as long as the network airs it.

OK, get it, you love them, but you wouldn't watch it if it was them starring in a show about graphic gay anal sex scenes.... would you?

[VSG]

Well then a national tv network won't be airing it, will it?

[XL]

Watched the Finale again last night. Still fantastic. Claire/Charlie & Sawyer/Juliet :love::'(

But no commentary!?!

[Jon Kano]

Well then a national tv network won't be airing it, will it?

I'm not American or in the know enough, to know.

[OssMan]

Did anybody see New Man In Charge. It was like 10 minutes long but revealed so many things.

[OssMan]

Dunno. I just finished the show last night. It was top. In the last episode, it's kinda disappointing to think that the Kate, Sawyer, Richard, Miles and Lapidus escaping on the plane didn't really matter because if they had stayed, Hugo would have allowed them to leave I guess, so it was kinda of pointless, except they didn't know that. One thing that I was wondering since season 2 was what the hieroglyphs meant on the timer thing in the swan hatch. It doesn't really matter though, just something bothering me. Also with the whole parallel timeline being some sort of "positive" afterlife, maybe Richard was right and the island really was hell.

[Jon Kano]

Dunno. I just finished the show last night. It was top. In the last episode, it's kinda disappointing to think that the Kate, Sawyer, Richard, Miles and Lapidus escaping on the plane didn't really matter because if they had stayed, Hugo would have allowed them to leave I guess, so it was kinda of pointless, except they didn't know that. One thing that I was wondering since season 2 was what the hieroglyphs meant on the timer thing in the swan hatch. It doesn't really matter though, just something bothering me. Also with the whole parallel timeline being some sort of "positive" afterlife, maybe Richard was right and the island really was hell.

I read that the hieroglyphs translated as 'underworld', which also alludes to hell and the whole smoke monster being called the 'Cerebus' system, which was a greek god, a three headed dog who guarded the underworld.

But the Island wasn't hell. The 'parallel timeline', as you called it wasn't part of what 'time' would be called in terms of being part of our real reality, it was more a type of purgatory that they all created subconsciously to find each other before they 'moved on'.

[Jeritron]

I'm not sure why Dharma would use them, but there was an Egyptian presence on the Island at one point.

[Jeritron]

Dunno. I just finished the show last night. It was top. In the last episode, it's kinda disappointing to think that the Kate, Sawyer, Richard, Miles and Lapidus escaping on the plane didn't really matter because if they had stayed, Hugo would have allowed them to leave I guess, so it was kinda of pointless, except they didn't know that. One thing that I was wondering since season 2 was what the hieroglyphs meant on the timer thing in the swan hatch. It doesn't really matter though, just something bothering me. Also with the whole parallel timeline being some sort of "positive" afterlife, maybe Richard was right and the island really was hell.

That's true about how they would have been fine anyways, but like you said they had no clue of that. The Island was sinking and there was no way to even know that things would turn out fine. Especially with Jack dying.
Plus they had decided to get out of there before Hurley decided to stay back.

[VSG]

I thought it was more like Smokie was the ultimate destroyer: Bringing harm to people proportional to how "evil" they were. This was why he was never allowed off the island, for then he would probably kill the entire world sans a few rare oddities. I don't really see the concept of hell and cerberus at all.

[OssMan]

Yeah I don't know. Thinking back on it that did not make sense. Will post something later

[G]

So I guess I missed why there were polar bears. Why

[Lock Jaw]

In the name of SCIENCE!

[Jon Kano]

I'm not saying all the Cerebus/guardian of the underworld/hell was the ultimate and actual explanation of things, but they were allusions to those mythologies within the show.

[Lock Jaw]

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Bump.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Oh yeah, I was about to post this before but got distracted. Loved it.

Welliver and Pellegrino are great together.

[VSG]

lol I love it :'(

[Tommy Gunn]

I've been rewatching the whole series on blu-ray.

Up to Season 6, and I still think it would have been awesome if the Losties were merged with the sideways storyline at the end, instead of the afterlife BULLSHIT. It still ruins the whole series for me.

Haven't seen New Man In Charge yet so looking forward to that.

[Jon Kano]

Yeah season 6 is the odd season out. Totally different pace and reveals.

I kinda agree and though that the flash sideway arc would be used as a merging of the realities or somehow create a cool ending for characters.

Nowt we can do now!

[Malfeitor]

I just got through season five again yesterday. I think the season five finale is my favorite. You find out a bunch of good stuff and it leaves you with the ultimate cliffhanger.

[CSL]

Desmond Hume didn't push the button 7 years ago today ;)

[Kane Knight]

I'm guessing the island will turn out to be an alien spaceship.

NO SPOILERS, LADS!

[RP]

WE HAVE TO GO BACK!

[Kane Knight]

Where, Doc?

[VSG]

Aboard the HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Train!

[El Fangel]

Completed my first complete watch through last night. Damn :(

[XL]

Just reaching the Season 2 midpoint over here.

[El Fangel]

Damn. I remember when you were 10+ episodes ahead. Which episode was last if you remember?

[XL]

Yeah, I believe I was your "inspiration" for starting again (and dragging the missus along for the ride). We last watched The Hunting Party (S2 E11) [Jack, Locke and Sawyer follow Michael who left to look for his son. They meet "the others". More is shown about Jack's back-story.]

Claire is "into it" but we don't get that much time to watch it. We'll get there eventually though.

[Lock Jaw]

Gonna post this song again. Contains Spoilers, so don't watch unless you are at least near the end of the last season

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[Corporate CockSnogger]

Love that song. Probably one of the most listened to songs on my ipod.

[El Fangel]

Yeah, I believe I was your "inspiration" for starting again (and dragging the missus along for the ride). We last watched The Hunting Party (S2 E11) [Jack, Locke and Sawyer follow Michael who left to look for his son. They meet "the others". More is shown about Jack's back-story.]

Claire is "into it" but we don't get that much time to watch it. We'll get there eventually though.

You were. With Doctor Who not back until the fall and Supernatural pretty much unwatchable I convinced my wife to watch at least the first season after watching the Pilot awhile before and her showing little interest in it.

Both loved the ride and the fact I had not watched the last 7-8 episodes made it that much better. I thought I knew the ending but it wasn't what I thought at all.

[Skippord]

hey I recently watched Lost, who would like to hear my thoughts on it?

[XL]

You posted a thread in casual, right? I was reading along until I fell behind. Didn't wanna "spoil" anything for myself (despite having seen the entire series twice already).

[Skippord]

yeah, it ended up being like 46 pages long. I feel like it's a pretty good read if you're super bored and gung ho about Lost.

[El Fangel]

Will read it later.

[Skippord]

I would like to know if it comes off as insane ramblings when I was watching like 10 episodes a night

[El Fangel]

I was one of the few who posted in it, but yes, they were lol.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

WE HAVE TO GO BACK

[Corporate CockSnogger]

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