LOST Theories (will have spoliers)

[wwe2222]

So we found out why Kate's (and Claire's for that matter) name was crossed out.

Also that Jin was the remaining candidate which in turn is probably why Sun didnt flash back till the 70's with the Ajira people.

My take on Ben's comment regarding summoning the smoke monster ("I realized he was summoning me"): I think by summoning the monster, you are doing exactly as he wants: Kill people, destroy, etc. etc.

This goes back to my theory that MiB came to the ancients on the Island as a God and had them build these temples. He manipulated them into doing exactly what Jacob was hoping they wouldnt.

[Jon Kano]

The ancients were the ones who built the statue, as well as the chamber that housed the frozen wheel, also the underground chamber where MIB 'judged' Ben. There are hieroglyphs that show they worshipped smokey like a god.

[wwe2222]

The ancients were the ones who built the statue, as well as the chamber that housed the frozen wheel, also the underground chamber where MIB 'judged' Ben. There are hieroglyphs that show they worshipped smokey like a god.

Yes I know. I shouldnt have called it my theory, but this is what I mean. Basically Smokey used them to do his bidding.

[Reavant]

Richard cant die no matter what right? Like he cant be murdered?

[Hanso Amore]

Richard cant die no matter what right? Like he cant be murdered?

thats what I am thinking. He will show up to save the day...maybe miles helps him...and then he will be wrapped up. IF thye dont mention his death I assume he is alive.

I wish we could have learned more about Widmore before he went.

[VSG]

What's the deal with the alt-timeline concert anyway? Seems they will all be there, except Sawyer and Miles but including Dogen of all people.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

This is incredible

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[Jon Kano]

What's the deal with the alt-timeline concert anyway? Seems they will all be there, except Sawyer and Miles but including Dogen of all people.

I got a feeling Desmond will make a call to Sawyer and Miles regarding Kate and Sayid's whereabouts at the concert and that's how they will make it there.

Also, let's not forget Juliet will be there!!

[VSG]

Care to refresh me why Juliet will be there?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

The general theory going around is that Juliet is going to be the mother of David (Jacks Son)

[VSG]

Aha, I was wondering if they will reveal the mom to be someone from the actual island storyline and Juliet makes perfect sense.

[Jon Kano]

I'm kinda interested because Miles 'spoke' to her and she told him it worked, the bomb. Just makes me think she is special like Desmond kinda, but they prob won't go that way regardless.

[VSG]

They got something like 1.5 hours of tv time at max, and I doubt they will pull in so much detail in there.

[Jon Kano]

I know.

I'm not going to judge until the end, but I don't see it ending on too many explanations, I dunno we'll see soon enough I guess.

Anyone got a good site for the episodes in DIVX?? I need one that puts it up as soon as it has aired - I got two, but one of them doesn't seem to update it till several days later and the other doesn't work on my mac for some reason.

[Ermaximus]

What's the deal with the alt-timeline concert anyway? Seems they will all be there, except Sawyer and Miles but including Dogen of all people.

I got a feeling Desmond will make a call to Sawyer and Miles regarding Kate and Sayid's whereabouts at the concert and that's how they will make it there.

Also, let's not forget Juliet will be there!!

Actually, Miles said he WOULD be at the concert during last night's episode. Remember he was putting on a tie in the police station and then Sawyer asked him if "the red head" would be there?

[Hanso Amore]

Miles said he will be there....His dad works at the museum with Charlotte. SDawyaer will go with Miles or to see Charlotte.

Daniel Faraday and Jacks son are playing there. Jack will bring Claire.

Penny will be a guest with perhaps charlie also playing.

Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Desmond will be there.

The question is, how do the Kwons, Locke and Ben fit in.

[Reavant]

and charlie

[Hanso Amore]

Well Charlie was supposed to be playing with Daniel that night, maybe he will show up.

[Jeritron]

So I'm a bit more clear on MIB's endgame. His primary goal has been to get off the island all along. He's like a prisoner there.
Killing MIB was for revenge, and so he could get away.
Obviously...bear with me.

But then he had to kill the candidates to be free, so he cooked up the plane/sub idea. I think it's safe to say that was never an option, since if he could sneak off so easily he'd have done it.
He just wanted to kill them.

So he wants to leave, plain and simple. I assume that Jacob's line about them having to protect the light from them is either a secondary thing, or part of how he intends to actually leave the island.
That's what caused confusion a bit. I figured "wait, if he's trying to leave why the hell is Jacob worried about them protecting the light from him. Wouldn't they just have to keep him there?" I guess it's a bit of both.

Either way, I think now that he realizes Jacob/Whidmore/The Candidates have something up their sleeve to keep him from leaving, he's had it and just wants to destroy the whole fucking place to spite everyone and gain his "freedom" that way.

[Jeritron]

Miles said he will be there....His dad works at the museum with Charlotte. SDawyaer will go with Miles or to see Charlotte.

Daniel Faraday and Jacks son are playing there. Jack will bring Claire.

Penny will be a guest with perhaps charlie also playing.

Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Desmond will be there.

The question is, how do the Kwons, Locke and Ben fit in.


Don't forget about Christian's body. I don't think having it be misplaced by the airline was for nothing, and they finally brought that back up last night. They called Jack to tell him it had been found.

[Hanso Amore]

Don't forget about Christian's body. I don't think having it be misplaced by the airline was for nothing, and they finally brought that back up last night. They called Jack to tell him it had been found.

No they didnt.....Desmond did....

[Jeritron]

Oh yea. So there you go

[Ermaximus]

Miles said he will be there....His dad works at the museum with Charlotte. SDawyaer will go with Miles or to see Charlotte.

Daniel Faraday and Jacks son are playing there. Jack will bring Claire.

Penny will be a guest with perhaps charlie also playing.

Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Desmond will be there.

The question is, how do the Kwons, Locke and Ben fit in.

Maybe Locke will come as Jack's guest and to pay his respects for Jack fixing his spine?

Perhaps Ben will go with Alex and Rousseou?

As for Sun and Jin, I have no effing idea.

[Jon Kano]

I was thinking about how Locke will get to the concert; it's a bit of a shit way to have it, but isn't the concert THAT night? like a few hours forward from the point we left everyone at? are they really going to have it where Locke has a life changing operation, and have him able to work pass any kind of rehab and walk straight away? seems to me they shoulda just had Jack operate earlier on in the season.

If they don't do it that way, I can see Jin and Sun and Locke not being present at the concert because they are dead. But then again so is Sayid and he will be there so I dunno.

[Ermaximus]

I was thinking about how Locke will get to the concert; it's a bit of a shit way to have it, but isn't the concert THAT night? like a few hours forward from the point we left everyone at? are they really going to have it where Locke has a life changing operation, and have him able to work pass any kind of rehab and walk straight away? seems to me they shoulda just had Jack operate earlier on in the season.

If they don't do it that way, I can see Jin and Sun and Locke not being present at the concert because they are dead. But then again so is Sayid and he will be there so I dunno.

Technically, so are Charolette, Whidmore, and Faraday and they'll all be present.

Also loved the interaction between Hurley and Ana Lucia last night.

"Oh, I didn't know Ana Lucia was coming with us?"

"Do I know you tubby?"

[Jeritron]

They will be there. Also, I'm sure this was all planned out well before the season started so I wouldn't start second-guessing the decision to have Locke not operated on yet

[Jon Kano]

Technically, so are Charolette, Whidmore, and Faraday and they'll all be present.

Also loved the interaction between Hurley and Ana Lucia last night.

"Oh, I didn't know Ana Lucia was coming with us?"

"Do I know you tubby?"

Yeah but Jin, Sun and Locke were candidates, the other were not. I can see being a candidate more of an important factor for whatever happens.

Think it's a bit of a cop out as well having just Hurley be the one who suddenly recalls everything way before 'whatever happens'. He coulda just done the favor for Desmond knowing it's important and pivotal to remembering and have whatever is going to happen, happen. Guess I'm nip picking again. But still.

[Jeritron]

Technically, so are Charolette, Whidmore, and Faraday and they'll all be present.

Also loved the interaction between Hurley and Ana Lucia last night.

"Oh, I didn't know Ana Lucia was coming with us?"

"Do I know you tubby?"

That was funny. "Oh hey Ana Lucia..oh wait, I don't know you"

Obviously Desmond has filled Hurley in 100% on what's going on, and he either shared information or he's become enlightened too.

[Jon Kano]

They will be there. Also, I'm sure this was all planned out well before the season started so I wouldn't start second-guessing the decision to have Locke not operated on yet

Yeah fair enough, but still. Having a life changing back operation, then a few hours later attending a concert, just seems like a wrong way to go about it imo.

[Jeritron]

Yeah but Jin, Sun and Locke were candidates, the other were not. I can see being a candidate more of an important factor for whatever happens.

Think it's a bit of a cop out as well having just Hurley be the one who suddenly recalls everything way before 'whatever happens'. He coulda just done the favor for Desmond knowing it's important and pivotal to remembering and have whatever is going to happen, happen. Guess I'm nip picking again. But still.

I don't know why it would have to do with candidates. There's been no indication of that. Everyone is involved, whether they're living, dead, or a candidate in the original timeline. It's been that way since the first episode of the season.

[Jeritron]

Yeah fair enough, but still. Having a life changing back operation, then a few hours later attending a concert, just seems like a wrong way to go about it imo.

There's nothing to indicate that will happen.

[Ermaximus]

That was funny. "Oh hey Ana Lucia..oh wait, I don't know you"

Obviously Desmond has filled Hurley in 100% on what's going on, and he either shared information or he's become enlightened too.

"Is she coming with us too?"

"No, she isn't ready!"

[Jon Kano]

I don't know why it would have to do with candidates. There's been no indication of that. Everyone is involved, whether they're living, dead, or a candidate in the original timeline. It's been that way since the first episode of the season.

Because they were chosen to come to the Island, and have played a much bigger part in the story and mythology. You are right, its just if were discussing where they will all be and why, there have to be ideas for who will be there and who won't if that is the case. I'm sure it will involve all of them, but still.

[Jon Kano]

There's nothing to indicate that will happen.

I didn't say there was, I'm just exploring all/different scenarios or outcomes. I don't know what will happen so I'm just exploring such things.

[Jeritron]

Since the operation hasn't occured yet, and the concert is that night, I think it's safe to assume it's not going to happen.
Unless their office meeting was earlier in the timeline than the events with Hurley/Desmond/Jake/Sayid.

[Jeritron]

Because they were chosen to come to the Island, and have played a much bigger part in the story and mythology. You are right, its just if were discussing where they will all be and why, there have to be ideas for who will be there and who won't if that is the case. I'm sure it will involve all of them, but still.

I think it has more to do with all of the "players" from the island, the overall meaning of it.
A big question is whether or not Jacob and MIB have any presence in that timeline.

[Ermaximus]

I think it has more to do with all of the "players" from the island, the overall meaning of it.
A big question is whether or not Jacob and MIB have any presence in that timeline.

I don't think either do, as neither has been mentioned or seen as of yet, but even if they were, wouldn't they be dead now? Same goes for Richard.

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah guys, you really think he walks into Jacks office and is going to get an OR in a major LA hospital that day?

[Jon Kano]

Yeah guys, you really think he walks into Jacks office and is going to get an OR in a major LA hospital that day?

No, that is my point. And it's not that I think it will happen or there is any real suggestion to it - I think I never and will never truly come to terms with the fact John Locke didn't turn out the way I had hoped and so I look for ways where he can and still will be back alive and save the Island. Jack is the next best thing. I just miss the original character of John Locke.

So what is it? what is it that we will think will happen when all these people come together? - will that be the 'real' timeline/reality in the end? how will that work? Are they all going to be transported or an actual reality merge occur? my mind is frying itself right now.

[Jeritron]

I don't think either do, as neither has been mentioned or seen as of yet, but even if they were, wouldn't they be dead now? Same goes for Richard.

Not really. At the beginning of the season we saw The Island at the bottom of the ocean.
It was complete with the Dharma barracks, and the Statue foot.
Things existed normally on that island at one time. Jacob, MIB, and Richard all date back to before those times.

[Jon Kano]

I think it has more to do with all of the "players" from the island, the overall meaning of it.
A big question is whether or not Jacob and MIB have any presence in that timeline.

Hmmmmm, interesting, since The Island itself is present, so why shouldn't they be in some form or another? - Maybe it's a representation of a reality where Jacob/good/light succeeds - fair few people are better off in that reality than prior to the crash. OR one where MIB succeeded in destroying the Island, I don't even know where I'm going with this...

Jacob has and therefore could leave the Island again.

[Jeritron]

No, that is my point. And it's not that I think it will happen or there is any real suggestion to it - I think I never and will never truly come to terms with the fact John Locke didn't turn out the way I had hoped and so I look for ways where he can and still will be back alive and save the Island. Jack is the next best thing. I just miss the original character of John Locke.

So what is it? what is it that we will think will happen when all these people come together? - will that be the 'real' timeline/reality in the end? how will that work? Are they all going to be transported or an actual reality merge occur? my mind is frying itself right now.

I haven't really bothered speculating on what will happen with the alternate universe, because there's no way of knowing. Short of spoilers, there's very little speculation to be made other than knowing "something will happen" and paying attention to what's been indicated.
I can't really guess beyond that, because I have 0 clue.
I think it's interesting, and even though I have no idea what will happen I have faith in the writing that it will matter.
Lindelof has said that in the end it will be clear why it was done. We'll see, but basically I trust them.

[Jeritron]

Maybe Jacob will be "the conductor" at the concert

[Jon Kano]

With regard to the Island at the bottom of the sea, this is all I can come up with:

- It was the result of jughead/pocket being secured.
- MIB 'destroyed it'/got off in another fashion/won and it 'died' and sank
- It didn't need protecting anymore/the life force/entity of the Island 'moved on'.
- Hurley dropped a bomb of his own and didn't stop flushing.

[Hanso Amore]

I just want to know why the went to 1974 through 1977 really

[Jon Kano]

Maybe Jacob will be "the conductor" at the concert

lol

I would also like to see the original Henry Gale as a doorman or something.

[Jeritron]

It was always destined to happen. It was key to the events of both timelines, so I'm assuming it was all part of the plan.

[Hanso Amore]

THe season will end with Jack taking the light, and spreading it out throughout the souls of all the losties in the alt timeline, as they will open a gateway once they all come together and remember. MIB iwll then lose, and Desmond will destory the island, killing all originals. but they are saved through the alt timeline,

[Jeritron]

lol

I would also like to see the original Henry Gale as a doorman or something.

MIB should be mopping the floors bitching about how he wants to go home

[Jon Kano]

I just want to know why the went to 1974 through 1977 really

Well Sawyer, Faraday, Miles and Juliet were stuck there when Locke made it back to the real world and put the wheel back on it's axis. From the time Jack and co had made it back to when Locke approached them, 3 years had gone. Although it's been said time behaves differently on the Island, it appears the same amount of time went by there also.

77' was when they shot back to the present, detonating the bomb. That make sense?

[Hanso Amore]

It best not be so gay as my post :)

[Jon Kano]

THe season will end with Jack taking the light, and spreading it out throughout the souls of all the losties in the alt timeline, as they will open a gateway once they all come together and remember. MIB iwll then lose, and Desmond will destory the island, killing all originals. but they are saved through the alt timeline,

That really your theory?

Very intrigued as to what and how MIB meant by when he said he'll get Desmond to destroy the Island. It also vexes me.

I'm not being a 'know it all twat' here, and I know there are lots of things people have put on there that came to be, as well as stuff they haven't since I'm one of them. But one of the predictions I made to my friends who like the show, and on here in the other Lost thread was regarding Desmond. I had this feeling and sense from early season 3 that in the end of the show he would be the 'back up plan', another big 'save the day' kind of character.

[Hanso Amore]

No Im with you Kano. But why did they flash back off the plane and not just stay in present time. Other than to "unite" losties.

[Jeritron]

Very intrigued as to what and how MIB meant by when he said he'll get Desmond to destroy the Island. It also vexes me.
.

Desmond is resistant to the energy. The same energy that he was thrown into.

[Hanso Amore]

That really your theory?

Very intrigued as to what and how MIB meant by when he said he'll get Desmond to destroy the Island. It also vexes me.

I'm not being a 'know it all twat' here, and I know there are lots of things people have put on there that came to be, as well as stuff they haven't since I'm one of them. But one of the predictions I made to my friends who like the show, and on here in the other Lost thread was regarding Desmond. I had this feeling and sense from early season 3 that in the end of the show he would be the 'back up plan', another big 'save the day' kind of character.

God I hope not, but I really feel like we are getting ready for one timeline to end, most likely the island one, and some kinde of bleed through, and this is my fear,...Jack will protect the light by putting somewhere that MIB cant get it...an alt timeline where he does not exist...

[Jeritron]

No Im with you Kano. But why did they flash back off the plane and not just stay in present time. Other than to "unite" losties.

To detonate the bomb, and complete the timeline while creating another one.

I really think they just went there because it was "supposed to happen."
I know that's vague, but that's what destiny and fate is, and that's a big part of the show.

[Jeritron]

I tend to think that the alternate timeline will go. I think they have more stake in the original one, but that's just my feeling.

[Jon Kano]

No Im with you Kano. But why did they flash back off the plane and not just stay in present time. Other than to "unite" losties.

Think Jeritron nailed it, because they were the candidates. I see it like this - MIB and Jacob are the big players in the game, but the board has it's own rules/power/influence/intelligence. The Island is a character, and as we have seen, not only can the losties be subjected to apparitions, tests etc but so can MIB. He was scared when he saw young Jacob. With that in mind, as well as other things like what we don't know - What the Island is? - it could be also seen (the candidates flashing back in time off the plane) as The Island being fair and giving both Jacob/light and MIB/darkness an equal platform where they execute their own plan. It's like a good thing and a bad thing they went back - bad because MIB gained his loop hole - good because they were able to carry out the bomb, serve to have Jacob win, defeat MIB etc.

[Jeritron]

By the way, I think Richard is dead. I'm good with that too, since his death was hilarious. He just gets shockingly trucked by MIB.
Richard dying makes sense, since he was a mysterious character who played his biggest role towards the end. Once he had been given backstory, he had very little left to offer the story. With Jacob gone, he no longer has a job and he's mortal.

Last year I actually called him the Boba Fett of Lost in this thread, which makes it funny that he got that kind of death.

[Jon Kano]

To detonate the bomb, and complete the timeline while creating another one.

I really think they just went there because it was "supposed to happen."
I know that's vague, but that's what destiny and fate is, and that's a big part of the show.

Oh no, you are right and I agree. If they didn't go back, all of the things that would eventually and did happen, wouldn't of.

[Jon Kano]

By the way, I think Richard is dead. I'm good with that too, since his death was hilarious. He just gets shockingly trucked by MIB.
Richard dying makes sense, since he was a mysterious character who played his biggest role towards the end. Once he had been given backstory, he had very little left to offer the story. With Jacob gone, he no longer has a job and he's mortal.

Last year I actually called him the Boba Fett of Lost in this thread, which makes it funny that he got that kind of death.

I don't want and don't really think he is dead to be honest. But I can see it being the case. It was hilarious, and very quick. If that was his death, a bit of an Eko style thrashin woulda been good.

[Jeritron]

Nobody likes to see characters die, but when they've served their part I always think it's the right move. Especially on a show like this with a lot of characters and a moving story.
Not everyone can be given a death scene like that of Juliet, Charlie, and Sun & Jin. I loved Richard but if he's dead I'm fine with that.
He could wake up injured and be found by Miles or something. Who knows.

[Jeritron]

I know that they said the outrigger chase wasn't going to be answered, but didn't Widmore mention something about getting to an outrigger to Ben and Miles last night?
Maybe they're sneaking it in there. It's very minor, so whatever, but it would be a good way for Miles to die.

[Jeritron]

I don't want and don't really think he is dead to be honest. But I can see it being the case. It was hilarious, and very quick. If that was his death, a bit of an Eko style thrashin woulda been good.

What I loved about it was Ben's reaction. MIB has been amazing this season, and doing stuff like that makes him a total badass.
I always thought The Smoke Monster was an amazing thing, but ever since they've given it a true identity/agenda, he's now one of the greatest villains of alltime.

[VSG]

Frankly I think alt-Jack won't even make it to the concert, he will be busy operating on Locke. Thus while Jack (with others probably) kills Locke on the island, he may have a "slip" during the operation and kill Locke in the OR too.

[Jon Kano]

What I loved about it was Ben's reaction. MIB has been amazing this season, and doing stuff like that makes him a total badass.
I always thought The Smoke Monster was an amazing thing, but ever since they've given it a true identity/agenda, he's now one of the greatest villains of alltime.

Again, I agree.

I just hope everyone realises if the real John Locke had a choice and say in the matter he would be 'one of the good guys' and he would've made a hell of a leader/protector. IF.

[Jeritron]

Absolutely. I don't think anyone's views on the real John Locke as a character have changed, unless they're confused about MIB taking his form.
As long as they realize real Locke and fake Locke are two different characters, I don't think there'd be any doubt about that

[Jeritron]

I have a handful of favorite characters, but I think it's possible that Locke and MIB are my two favorites. In that case, Terry O'Quinn has gotten to portray both of them, which is pretty cool.
The actor who portrays MIB in his true form is really awesome and a big part of the character, though.

[Loose Cannon]

read this whole thread since I last was on last night.

Few things

Yea, Locke is my favorite character on Lost. Terry O'Quinn is fucking amazing. I don't so much as quite like him as MIB though. I think 2nd would be Jack now. It's wierd that I am even saying that because I always hate that lead good guy character, but he's been pretty awesome all throughout.


WWE posted on the other page that he thought the "Kwong" on the wall was Jin now. That's what i thought of last night when Jacob said what he did to Kate. So I guess that had to confirm it was Jin.


I do not think Richard is dead. I think MIB definately crippled him though. He got knocked back into 1977

I loved Miles last night (by the way, he's my # 3). He just amuses me every episode. Maybe cause I see a lot of myself in him. MIB is coming and he's out of there. lol.


I am very excited for this reunion in the alternate reality.

[Jeritron]

I love a lot of characters on the show. When I first started, my favorites were Locke, Sawyer, and Sayid.
As I went on, Linus instantly joined them. The newest addition has been MIB, and Richard last season.
But on top of everything, Jack is huge. I always had a love/hate thing with Jack, but I really love his character immensely now. I think his change since the end of season 3 has been a highlight of the show.

I love Sun and Jin, Desmond, Hurley, Miles, and I could probably just keep going. I don't really dislike any characters. I like some more than others but the more I think about it the harder it is for me to not give a mention to almost everybody.

[thedamndest]

Really hope I remember that it's on Sunday and it starts at 7. Does it actually start at 7 or is it a recap of the series?

[Jeritron]

The episode itself starts at 9. It goes until 11:30. 2.5 hours of Lost.

The pre-show/recap starts at 7 though. There's also a one hour live reunion special after the show, with some deleted scenes and "alternate endings"

This is all eastern time I'm going by

[Jeritron]

I wonder how long this thread will stay alive after next week

[thedamndest]

Looking forward to two hours of "This is Jack Shepard. He is a doctor aboard Oceanic Flight 816."

[Jeritron]

2 hours of catering to people who haven't watched a lick of the show. These, of course, will be the ones talking about how disappointed they were in the ending the next day. Something to do at the water cooler

[Buzzkill]

Fantastic episode I thought. Really spectacular.

[Hanso Amore]

I wonder how long this thread will stay alive after next week

Im honestly going to miss you guys :)

[Ermaximus]

Im honestly going to miss you guys :)

We'll have to find a new show that we can all watch together and post about.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I was talking to my roomate last night about what I'm going to do when it all ends. I've literally dedicated so much time and effort into watching, reading and listening to anything and everything Lost related. :'(

[wwe2222]

read this whole thread since I last was on last night.

Few things

Yea, Locke is my favorite character on Lost. Terry O'Quinn is fucking amazing. I don't so much as quite like him as MIB though. I think 2nd would be Jack now. It's wierd that I am even saying that because I always hate that lead good guy character, but he's been pretty awesome all throughout.


WWE posted on the other page that he thought the "Kwong" on the wall was Jin now. That's what i thought of last night when Jacob said what he did to Kate. So I guess that had to confirm it was Jin.


I do not think Richard is dead. I think MIB definately crippled him though. He got knocked back into 1977

I loved Miles last night (by the way, he's my # 3). He just amuses me every episode. Maybe cause I see a lot of myself in him. MIB is coming and he's out of there. lol.


I am very excited for this reunion in the alternate reality.

Locke went from being a crippled loser, to the "Chosen One" to lead the Island, to getting killed by Ben and dying as a confused sucker, to Jack redeeming everything Locke told him about the Island.

Even in death his character arc keeps going. I really like what they did with him. There were only two characters who they could've used as the present time smoke monster to have any real emotional effect on the audience and characters: Jack or Locke. Locke made the most sense though.

[Jeritron]

There's still one episode left too. Like Jack tells Richard about him, "I wouldn't give up on him."

[wwe2222]

There's still one episode left too. Like Jack tells Richard about him, "I wouldn't give up on him."

:y:

Just to go back to the episode...Im glad Jack has already accepted the role of Jacob going into the finale. I had assumed this would occur much later.

[Loose Cannon]

one thing I did not mention is I loved how quick Jack accepted the role. There was almost no hesitation at all.

[wwe2222]

one thing I did not mention is I loved how quick Jack accepted the role. There was almost no hesitation at all.

I liked it because it was part he knows why he is there and I also think part he didnt want the others to make the sacrifice he was preparing to make.

[Jon Kano]

Hurley: 'I'm just glad its not me'

Come on mate, it was never going to be lol

[Jon Kano]

There's still one episode left too. Like Jack tells Richard about him, "I wouldn't give up on him."

Amen, this has been my mantra for a while in my hopes that the real Locke will be back/do something amazing.

[Hanso Amore]

We'll have to find a new show that we can all watch together and post about.

I was hoping Flash Forward would step it up, but nothing promising there.

[Ermaximus]

I was hoping Flash Forward would step it up, but nothing promising there.

Well, considering it got cancelled....:-\

[Jon Kano]

To be fair, there isn't another show I see myself getting so involved, familiar and intrigued with. The Sopranos would be the other one that has come closest, but at the moment I simply don't have another show like it in mind.

Just as a side topic in this thread, it would be interesting to see what other shows fans of LOST watch? - These are the shows I watch regulary at the moment or as new episodes come out...

- LOST
- Family Guy
- South Park
- Modern Family
- Ax Men
- American Dad (kind of)
- 24
- Dexter
- The Office

[Hanso Amore]

Well, considering it got cancelled....:-\

ugh, lame sauce.

Surface
Invasion
Flash Forward
Journeyman

All cancelled season one and I watched them all.

[wwe2222]

Lost
Castle
24
CSI Miami
Psych
White Collar
Community
30 Rock
Office
Modern Family

I just recently started watching Dexter.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

With the way everyone seems to be remembering the original timeline in the alt. timeline, I figured a good way to have Sawyer remember would be to have Juliet at this concert, and Desmond trips her up, Sawyer catches her and is all "I got you Blondie" and then they both remember.

[Jon Kano]

lol not bad

[Jon Kano]

I was having a passing thought last night if it does end up where it's not 'the end' of the Island per se, and Jack continues to protect it and stays there, if there were to be MIB still there and still trapped. I thought if Locke is reborn and bought back and MIB can't/doesn't use his appearance anymore, he reverts to the last person he 'used', Jack's father. Having father and son spend eternity together on the Island.

[Loose Cannon]

don't watch a lot of TV to be honest. All I really watched the past few years

Lost
24
Sopranos
Wire
Modern Family

[CSL]

For you fellow brits that for some reason still watch on Sky1, they'll be showing the finale at 5am Sunday night/Monday morning, roughly in line with American TV.

[Ermaximus]

Lost (series ending)
FlashForward (cancelled)
Scrubs (cancelled)
Heroes (cancelled)
Big Bang Theory
The Middle
Archer
Entourage
Hung
True Blood

[Loose Cannon]

Heroes got cancelled? didn't know. I guess you can add that show too. But I got bored in season 3 and stopped

[Corporate CockSnogger]

For you fellow brits that for some reason still watch on Sky1, they'll be showing the finale at 5am Sunday night/Monday morning, roughly in line with American TV.

I was looking into this the other week to see if it would be happening. I think I may have to watch it on Sky One now :D

[Ermaximus]

Heroes got cancelled? didn't know. I guess you can add that show too. But I got bored in season 3 and stopped

I saw it on Comcast the other day. It caught me by suprise because I thought they were going to do a 5th and final season for it, but they just dropped it instead.

[Jeritron]

:y:

Just to go back to the episode...Im glad Jack has already accepted the role of Jacob going into the finale. I had assumed this would occur much later.

Yes I loved that. It happened so suddenly. That was something that I think everyone assumed would happen at the end of the finale.
It makes me think there will be more to come for Jack, and maybe even the filling of the role.
Just another example of this show always staying on it's toes.

[Jeritron]

I only really watch Lost and The Office. The Office isn't the same because it's a comedy show, but even that is probably ending next year.

I don't think something will come along as awesome as Lost for a long time. There will be A LOT of imitators. It has really stepped up the game for TV, and hopefully it gives some new life to mainstream science fiction in television, instead of just film.
But the loads of shows that are trying to be Lost won't succeed, because they are trying to be Lost. The reason Lost is great is because of how original and epic of a creation is, while tapping into a familiar brand.

Eventually another truly great TV show in the spirit of Lost will come along. I was a big X-Files fan, and it took a while for something like Lost to come along for me to get into.

[wwe2222]

Lost explained as the 2007 Patriots...pretty funny I thought

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/53066/josh-elliott-and-tom-brady-clear-up-everything-you-need-to-know-about-lost-youll-see

[Ogen]

So its a 2.5 hour finale and its this sunday yes?

[Jon Kano]

Yes

[Jeritron]

http://worldofwonder.net/2010/01/05/87007fc6.jpg

The Lost Supper

[Jon Kano]

Lots of very cool poster art online, esp on Deviant Art, I love this one:

[Jeritron]

http://orangefriendly.com/pages/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/DanLydersenMementoMori26x36oiloncan.jpg

[Jon Kano]

He is too chubby in the neck/head.

[Jeritron]

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/20/lost-dvd-extras/

[Jon Kano]

Cool, but I kinda feel the same as the writer of the article. More with the exclusion of material rather than the cost of the DVD pack.

[Jeritron]

He doesn't feel that way, he just pointed out that's how some fans may feel.

Personally, I don't think of it that way at all. It's obviously stuff that had no place in the show to begin with, and didn't need to be answered.
It's just a cool little thing they're doing for a special feature. They need to fill space on the DVDs. I'd rather them be doing it than not, since working a long winded answer to something that doesn't need one is the last thing I expect them to be doing in the actual show.

[Jeritron]

What is the big question about the cabin? Noticed he brought that up. MIB was using it and doing weird things within it to make the visitors think it was Jacob.
What's the real mystery there?

The strange figure can be attributed to the fact that they hadn't cast MIB yet, and he can do all sorts of crazy things to be scary.
The eye thing was just for the sake of being creepy.

[Jon Kano]

Na, personally, if they are big answers like 'What is the Island?' in the DVD features, I will be pissed it wasn't worked into the show, even though it is a big one that probably will be explained, or partially. Just don't like the idea that there's going to be enough material left out that it's 20 minutes worth, and depending on how that's presented, it could be a lot.

The cabin Unanswered Questions
How was the cabin able to change locations?
Who broke the circle of ash surrounding the cabin?
When was the circle of ash surrounding the cabin broken?
What were the liquids in the jars?
Why did Ilana order the burning of the cabin?
How did Ben know of the cabin and its whereabouts?
What,if any, is the significance of the dog painting?

Inhabitants
When did Jacob inhabit the cabin?
Why did he stop using it?
Who else had been using it?
Who was the shadowy figure seen in "The Man Behind the Curtain"?
Who asked Locke for help?
Why did objects start flying around the room?
Whose eye did Hurley see in the cabin in "The Beginning of the End"?

I assume some of the mysteries on the DVD feature will be things like Walt's powers and apparitions, pregnancy, healing properties - although some of those can be explained at the same time as others, as well as the big ones like what the Island is.

[Jeritron]

I think Walt's deal is probably the biggest unsolved mystery, but even still it's not really an issue.
Walt was "gifted" in strange ways, but so are other characters. Hurley and Miles are examples.
The Others just let him go so they could save Ben. Just because he was gifted didn't mean he was all-important.

[Jeritron]

Half of those questions are ridiculous and pointless. A lot of Lost fans have gotten to the point of absurdity in their quest for "answers"
The show breeds mystery and thought, but people have become obsessed with this idea of everything having detailed explanation, to the point where it distracts from the story, and the very mystery that makes Lost/science fiction/fantasy interesting to begin with

Unanswered questions:
Does the Cabin have a basement?
When did the Cabin get a primer coat?
Is there working plumbing?
What did Ben have for breakfast?
Does the Smoke Monster shit?

[Jeritron]

Not you, or anyone in this thread, just some of the "fans" out there

[Jon Kano]

I think Walt's deal is probably the biggest unsolved mystery, but even still it's not really an issue.
Walt was "gifted" in strange ways, but so are other characters. Hurley and Miles are examples.
The Others just let him go so they could save Ben. Just because he was gifted didn't mean he was all-important.

But Walt is the only person to be seen somewhere he wasn't supposed to be who isn't dead, and at one time wasn't even on the island. He also manifested his thoughts more than anyone else.

I always thought this was quite interesting, involves Walt:

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Miles is gifted in a plausible kind of way, but it also works for him off Island. Hurley is 'blessed' because he can talk to the dead people, but other people have also seen the dead or had visions of them.

[Jeritron]

Yea, one thing that was curious to me was that Walt came to Locke while he was dying in the pit, and told him to get moving or whatever.

Since he isn't dead, it wasn't MIB. Honestly I think it was just something to get Locke out of that situation, and it can be attributed to either a vision, or telepathy being shown that way for the audience.
Walt could have been contacting him. We don't know that anyone else saw Walt either.

[Jon Kano]

Half of those questions are ridiculous and pointless. A lot of Lost fans have gotten to the point of absurdity in their quest for "answers"
The show breeds mystery and thought, but people have become obsessed with this idea of everything having detailed explanation, to the point where it distracts from the story, and the very mystery that makes Lost/science fiction/fantasy interesting to begin with

Unanswered questions:
Does the Cabin have a basement?
When did the Cabin get a primer coat?
Is there working plumbing?
What did Ben have for breakfast?
Does the Smoke Monster shit?

Yeah but that doesn't mean people can't speculate or try to guess as to what they think about it all, its part of the whole point of the mystery and intrigue you talk about. It's all about a process of elimination for some people, with regard to some stuff I am one of them, not because I want there to be a detailed answer but by thinking about what I know, what could be, and how, and how it all connects, even the 'rules' for which the Island operates, it makes you dig deeper, find out stuff you didn't know from other ideas, theories etc.


Not you, or anyone in this thread, just some of the "fans" out there

Well yeah, that list was pasted from Lostpedia. I personally don't see much mystery with the Cabin anymore. I assume the man in the chair was MIB in some form or another, and he's the one who said 'Help me' to Locke.

But the circles of ash time line and why Jacob wasn't using it yet he sent Ilana there, some of those things confuse me a bit.

[Jeritron]

I noticed in that clip that Jacob wanted Walt there. That means MIB wanted him there.

[Jon Kano]

Yea, one thing that was curious to me was that Walt came to Locke while he was dying in the pit, and told him to get moving or whatever.

Since he isn't dead, it wasn't MIB. Honestly I think it was just something to get Locke out of that situation, and it can be attributed to either a vision, or telepathy being shown that way for the audience.
Walt could have been contacting him. We don't know that anyone else saw Walt either.

Shannon and Sayid saw him in the jungle all wet, speaking backward when he was supposedly with The Others.

If it was Walt in these visions through telepathy, wouldn't it of been addressed when Locke visited him when he left the island? I mean Locke knew he wasn't on the Island at that point. I dunno. Lots of questions there I guess.

[Jeritron]

Yea I recognized the list from Lostpedia that's why I said it. It kind of irks me that they have that shit to begin with, because half the time I roll my eyes at them.

I'm all for answers, don't get me wrong, but it's definitely become dominant for some fans.

[Jon Kano]

Another thing with Walt was that he said he had dreams about Locke on the beach 'dressed in a suit' surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him or something. So even though he had a dream about who he thought was Locke, it wouldn't of been when it came to pass. I don't know if that's interesting or not. Not to the story obviously.

And with Locke, when he was a child, when Richard visited him, he noticed drawings of the smoke monster on his wall, so he was dreaming of the future? MIB was 'calling him' at that point? it's vast, the power of the island.

How did Hurley still become plagued by Charlie when he left and was back in the mental place? It couldn't of been MIB, could've been Jacob but he visited him as himself later anyway, maybe the Island?

[Jeritron]

What was The Others objective in kidnapping certain survivors of the crash?
I forget.

And we know Ben never met Jacob, but was he getting his lists and orders from him in some indirect way, or MIB, or was he just making it up?

I know this was addressed, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

[Jeritron]

Another thing with Walt was that he said he had dreams about Locke on the beach 'dressed in a suit' surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him or something. So even though he had a dream about who he thought was Locke, it wouldn't of been when it came to pass. I don't know if that's interesting or not. Not to the story obviously.

And with Locke, when he was a child, when Richard visited him, he noticed drawings of the smoke monster on his wall, so he was dreaming of the future? MIB was 'calling him' at that point? it's vast, the power of the island.

How did Hurley still become plagued by Charlie when he left and was back in the mental place? It couldn't of been MIB, could've been Jacob but he visited him as himself later anyway, maybe the Island?

Perhaps Walt was just an extra-special candidate, and that's why The Others were so interested in him, just like they were with Locke.

[Jeritron]

as for Hurley, I always just assumed he kept his powers. He didn't chat with dead people before The Island?
Even if he didn't, and that started happening on The Island, it makes sense that he would still have that while he was home since The Island wasn't done with them yet, and still had power over them. That's what explains Jack's strange obsession and feeling of emptiness that makes him feel like he needs to get back there more than anything in the world.

[Jon Kano]

What was The Others objective in kidnapping certain survivors of the crash?
I forget.

And we know Ben never met Jacob, but was he getting his lists and orders from him in some indirect way, or MIB, or was he just making it up?

I know this was addressed, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

I assume Ben got his orders from Jacob through Richard. It depends on whether all of them were on a list from Jacob, or at one point he went rogue and started working on his own agendas etc. According to Richard, the whole child birth thing wasn't important and was a waste of time. He said that to Locke when he gave him Sawyers file on the hill in season 3.

With regard to The Others lists/kidnapping survivors:

- Cindy, the children and any others from the tail section:

- I guess they were not vital to Jacobs plans so they were taken as being branded 'good people' and the kids being innocent etc, and 'not flawed'. I remember Mikhail said to Kate, Sayid and Locke that one or more of them wasn't on the list because they were 'flawed'. His interpretation of the list would refer to the one Ben supposedly made or got from Jacob.

- Claire

Further study of women giving birth/making sure the baby would be born healthy and alive.

- Jack, Kate & Sawyer

- Think Ben legit wanted these three because they were on the list, or a list he had from Jacob. Too much depended on them going to Hydra Island at that point, which would lead to other events that were pivitol and important - the construction of the runway later used by the Ajira flight. Jack's surgery on Ben. And, most importantly, for Locke to make his first proper contact with The Others.

[Jeritron]

Just found something on Lostpedia that is very interesting...


However, his apparent ability to commune with Jacob made John a threat to Ben, who shot him and left him for dead in the DHARMA Grave. The Island, in the form of Walt, rescued Locke and told him that he still had work to do.

This is interesting as hell for a few reasons. First, is that it explains Walt appearing to Locke as just the will of The Island. I'm not sure where they got that from, but if it has any truth to it, it makes a lot of sense to me.
Especially since "Jacob" is the one who caused Ben's jealousy and almost got Locke killed. In other words, the MIB could have been manipulating the situation and found a loophole then and there.
Either way, he was obviously posing as Jacob to influence them and get John Locke to help him get his way.

[Jon Kano]

That's what explains Jack's strange obsession and feeling of emptiness that makes him feel like he needs to get back there more than anything in the world.

Do you mean here, that those feelings from Jack were a result of the island's grip/power of those who left?

I always think of and love the fact that Locke had his journey and character down from the start and as the show went on....

- On the way to the hatch, where he said Jack believes in faith/fate, he just didn't know it

- Then in season 3 about how he's 'not supposed to do it' (make the phone call)

- Then in season 4 how if he leaves, the knowledge he has deep down, that he was meant to be there for a reason will eat him up until he decides to come back. And how if anyone can lie to the world as good as they need to it would be Jack.

As well as seeing the Island move, knowing Locke was right and that he did something he could never imagine could happen. Locke's visit off island, the coffin scene, the suicide letter. It's just a great character arc as well as an exceptional juxtaposition of characters that evolve and change in such a unique way.

Some great pairings of characters throughout this show:

Jack and Locke
Locke and Ben
Sawyer and Jack
Kate and Shannon :shifty:

[Jon Kano]

Just found something on Lostpedia that is very interesting...


However, his apparent ability to commune with Jacob made John a threat to Ben, who shot him and left him for dead in the DHARMA Grave. The Island, in the form of Walt, rescued Locke and told him that he still had work to do.

This is interesting as hell for a few reasons. First, is that it explains Walt appearing to Locke as just the will of The Island. I'm not sure where they got that from, but if it has any truth to it, it makes a lot of sense to me.
Especially since "Jacob" is the one who caused Ben's jealousy and almost got Locke killed. In other words, the MIB could have been manipulating the situation and found a loophole then and there.
Either way, he was obviously posing as Jacob to influence them and get John Locke to help him get his way.

Yeah I think I said or mentioned that, since Walt was off Island, so it must of been the island, acting as a kind of 'neutral' move where Jacob and MIB could both benefit/work their game plan on from Locke making it out of the pit, a move I also believed the island could've executed when it split the Ajira flight into two time lines. That's what I mean, the island is an entity, it has intelligence and such power, it has to be explained in the finale, has to be.

[Lock Jaw]

That's what I mean, the island is an entity, it has intelligence and such power, it has to be explained in the finale, has to be.

Jack's going to go find the tunnel with the light. He is going to enter it and see this:

http://joshtom.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/wizard-of-oz.jpg

[Jeritron]

I feel like Jack gained his faith, and went back to The Island because he began to believe, but I also feel The Island was calling him back.
It was like there was an absence in him when he got to the mainland.

[Jeritron]

So both, really. I've definitely always viewed it as Jack finding his faith and beginning to believe, and realizing Locke is right. But at the same time I always saw him as destroyed by the fact that he was away from The Island. Like an addict.
Maybe it took being away to realize this.

[Jon Kano]

I do love Jack's newfound path, and how his character has evolved. Some amazing moments throughout the last few seasons especially. The scene where he jumps off 'Sawyer's' boat, I got chills on my fuckin back when I watched that for the first time.

Part of me just imagined and hoped Locke would've turned out to be the one in his shoes, making these final important and possibly-existence-saving/ending steps. Part of me still thinks he will.

Anyway, its 4:30am I need to 'get LOST'. Another day closer to 'it'.

[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

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[Jeritron]

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lol at Vincent everytime

[wwe2222]

So both, really. I've definitely always viewed it as Jack finding his faith and beginning to believe, and realizing Locke is right. But at the same time I always saw him as destroyed by the fact that he was away from The Island. Like an addict.
Maybe it took being away to realize this.

I think you are right. Just look at his comments to Sawyer on the boat before he jumps.

[Requiem]

Yeah, the "They got pills for that, Doc" comment was pretty chuckle-worthy too. :lol:

[The Destroyer]

For you fellow brits that for some reason still watch on Sky1, they'll be showing the finale at 5am Sunday night/Monday morning, roughly in line with American TV.
I'm semi-tempted to get up early on Monday and watch it before I go to work, but I'll probably just end up Sky Plus-ing it and watching it on Monday night.

[thedamndest]

lol those TGIF intros. Everyone doing natural things during their credit. The Family Matters one is the best.

[VSG]

Lost explained as the 2007 Patriots...pretty funny I thought

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/53066/josh-elliott-and-tom-brady-clear-up-everything-you-need-to-know-about-lost-youll-see

Vince is Jacob and Hogan is Ben? That was a fucked up albeit funny video.

[Jeritron]

lol those TGIF intros. Everyone doing natural things during their credit. The Family Matters one is the best.

Jack spiking the football

[Loose Cannon]

lol Vincent

[Loose Cannon]

It's funny you guys were talking about Walt up there

I was watching season 2 again tonight, specificaly the one where Shannon gets killed by Ana Lucia's bullet. This is also the episode where Walt was all wet and speaking backwards. Walt caused Shannon to run into Ana Lucia and get shot. It does kind of make sense that the Island was appearing as Walt. And I'm trying to figure out if by the Island sacrificing Shannon that night had a bigger purpose in the long run? I can't remember if it had any big efffect on anything though.

By the way, the episode after that was the one when they go back to Day 1 and show the timeline of the tail section of the plane. That's another thing I loved about Lost was when they would go back in time and show what was happening in another part of the island. It kind of showed you two perspectives. And then it would bring you to the present. very cool. Oh and in this episode Goodwin (who was The Other killed by Ana Lucia) tells Ana that Nathan (one of the tail section people) was killed because he "wasn't a good person" ha, makes total sense now :D

[RoXer]

I think I'll go download the OSTs and listen to them alone and cry

[RoXer]

I bought the physical CD of the first one but I don't know where it is. Closet maybe.

[Lock Jaw]

I think I'll go download the OSTs and listen to them alone and cry

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:'(

[Lock Jaw]

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[Lock Jaw]

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[XL]

So, let's do a run down of who will be at the concert and how they're going to get there...

Charles & Eloise - Presumably, hosting the concert.
Daniel - Playing at the concert.
Charlie - Scheduled to play at the concert with Daniel.
Penny - Will be there as her parents are hosting/brother playing.
Kate -Taken there by Desmond.
Hurley - Going as he has been enlightened/perhaps he is sponsoring the event.
Sayid - Taken there by Hurley.
Jack - Going to see his son play at the concert.
Claire - Going as a guest of Jack(?)
Miles - Going as the concert is in benefit of his dad's museum.
Dr Cheng - Concert is in benefit of his museum.
Charlotte - Works at the museum(?)
Sawyer - Tipped off by Desmond to the whereabouts of Kate/Sayid?
Locke - Given tickets by Jack?
Ben/Rosseau/Alex - Ben is invited by Rosseau & Alex as they happen to be going?
Juliet - Jack's son's mother?
Jin/Sun - Going to take gift to Widmore?

Feel like I'm missing a few...

[Corporate CockSnogger]

So I'm definitely staying up to watch it at 5am and I can't wait!

[XL]

FUKCER!!!

I so would (and the means to do so as my GF's parents are away so I have access to Sky for the night) but I have work at 7. I could probably push the shift back but I said I'd wait and watch it when we finish work.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

:D The perks of being a student and having no job. Although I don't have Sky in my house so I have to go down to my Mums but that's no big deal really.

[XL]

Anyone think we'll see a Ben "face turn" during the final run-in?

Although he appears to have aligned himself with Smocke, I can't help but think he's playing him as he has so many before. If Smocke plans to destroy the island, what does he have to offer Ben?

I see Ben sacrificing himself somehow. This will be his final redemption and could lead to the downfall of The Monster.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Well there's bound to be some more interaction between Ben and Miles with the walkie talkies so I'd guess he lets Miles know of MiBs plans or informs of a way to stop him or something.

[Jon Kano]

Could still go on for hours and hours and pages and pages of thoughts and ideas, but personally, it's time for me to retreat like a rat into the Earth and say 'it's been emotional' - I'm going dark as of now with regard to coming into this thread and any site that will headline the finale.

I'm planning on d/l the finale tomorrow in the day and burning it to DVD for an evening viewing.

Hope everyone enjoys the show and I'll see you when it's all over.

[Blitz]

Fucking gotta work tonight. Gonna be busy the next couple of days so I don't know when I'll be able to watch :'(

[Jeritron]

Anyone think we'll see a Ben "face turn" during the final run-in?

Although he appears to have aligned himself with Smocke, I can't help but think he's playing him as he has so many before. If Smocke plans to destroy the island, what does he have to offer Ben?

I see Ben sacrificing himself somehow. This will be his final redemption and could lead to the downfall of The Monster.

I think Ben is pulling off a plan to help stop The Monster. I think for the purposes of the story it's great that he's back to being bad, like the old Linus, but I think when he decided to go out there to join the monster it was a plan.
Killing Widmore was unfinished business, but he also shot him when he was telling MIB information. He was too late, but I got the idea that he wasn't only trying to kill Widmore out of revenge, but to cleverly stop him from spilling the beans.

[Jeritron]

I wish you guys who aren't going to be able to watch the show tonight the best of luck in staying spoiler free.
Whatever happens, is going to be being talked about by fucking everyone tomorrow morning and for who knows how long.
Even people who don't watch the show will know about it and have something to say, probably.

[Jon Kano]

Even people who don't watch the show will know about it and have something to say, probably.

They can have fun trying to make sense of it or making out they know what they are talking about, will be funny.

But yeah, should be easy for me since its important and I won't allow myself to have it spoilt.

Here are some closing thoughts for me btw....

- I also think Ben is possibly working MIB. He has nothing to gain now apparantly with MIB's new plan to destroy the island. Something I don't think the island itself will allow to happen so easily. But I also think Ben now has come this far, and has the final character to go all the way and actually become a full sell out and try to kill Jack and co.

- Looking forward to 'the concert' - I'm still nowhere as to what I think is going on or what will happen. I do still want to make a guess that whatever happens, some kind of merging will occur and in my 'wish list' John Locke is reborn and has a hand at winning the overall conflict. I have a feeling Desmond is going to kick fucking ass and be awesome. He and Locke are my fave characters, but I got a feeling he could be someone to die at the end and not have a second chance due to his 'gift'. Don't ask me how that works, I'm just throwing it out there.

- Hoping, maybe for a few flashbacks to other Jacob/MIB/Ancient times. As well as further island development. I got this feeling that since Richard used 'What is the Island?' as a question for Hurley to ask Jacob, we will find out. Again, don't know why it would mean that, but it's all I got and I would like to see the writers take a stab at it.

- Again with the alt reality - I also have a feeling if it merges, we may still yet see some other characters come back, maybe.

It's weird cus I could just go on and on but I feel like it's not time to now, not until we see 'the end'.

I will miss this thread, and our LOST talk.

[Requiem]

Didn't we already find out what the island was in the Richard episode? Could have sworn he told him flat out.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Urgh so I'm pretty tired now, already been up 14 hours and I've had a pretty busy day. Think I'm going to need a small sleep before tonight.

[VSG]

I think I will actually watch the 2 hour run into the finale too, will be a good recap of everything and might help put together some little things I might have missed. What about you guys?

[thedamndest]

I will probably tune in but be doing other things while it is on.

[FearedSanctity]

Guesses on what page this thread will be at 15 minutes after the finale?

[St. Jimmy]

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/gstabo/evangeline-lilly.jpg

[owenbrown]

lol

[Lock Jaw]

42

[Razzamajazz]

it was all a dream

[St. Jimmy]

the island is actually new york

[Razzamajazz]

they were lost in mel gibson's back yard the whole time

[VSG]

I doubt many will be posting here unless the ads run long.

[Lock Jaw]

Two hour recap show is a go!!

[St. Jimmy]

wooooooooooo

[Lock Jaw]

This documentary is cool beans so far. Pretty amazing how far this show has come since the first episode. Totally not what you expect when you come out of that episode, or even that season.

[RP]

i have 2 theories .

1) Jack isnt the one who is suppose to watch the island. I say this because of his speech in the last episode where he said this is what he was meant to do. I think he's probably meant to sacrafice himself for the person that does take over for Jacob. And i think that might be Sawyer.


2) Jack is the next Jacob and Sawyer will end up being the next MIB.

[RP]

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/gstabo/evangeline-lilly.jpg

I also just jacked off to that and there is cum on my pants.

[Razzamajazz]

so all i saw was the first season and most of the second, i hope this finale isn't too confusing

[VSG]

From a LOST fan: Roses are red, Violets are blue, 4 8 15 16 23 42 :lol:

[Next Big Thing]

I just realized Jack's son's mother in the present has yet to be revealed. Does anyone think this could be a "Oh shit!" revelation? Juliet maybe?

Also that look Sawyer had in the last episode when Jack accepted the role makes me think Sawyer interferes on the man in blacks side.

[CSL]

They've been building towards who the mother is for most of the season.

[thedamndest]

It's about to start!

[thedamndest]

Hope they don't end it in a terribly inconclusive or ironic way just so they can do the sudden LOST splash logo.

[RP]

I hope theres a huge swerve that i never expected.

[RP]

Desmond has a red shirt


bye Desmond

[RP]

Richard is alive!

[Lock Jaw]

That Sun/Jin moment just had me choking up. Hope they somehow are alive and happy by the end of this.

[RP]

looks like they're about to show who got shot on that outrigger in season 5.

[RP]

and its clearly going to be Richard

[Ermaximus]

FRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lock Jaw]

Happy that Lapedis is alive, but kinda ridiculous that he is. The force of that door slamming into him should have been enough, even before he would have drowned.

[FearedSanctity]

Awww, a reunion I forgot about completely

[Lock Jaw]

BUSINESS IS ABOUT TO PICK UP!

[RP]

the Charlie Claire one was a tear jerker

[Lock Jaw]

Epic fight coming. Jack with the AJ Styles Flying Forearm/Punch thing.

[RP]

I just wtf'ed in my pants

[Hanso Amore]

ait Im so............LOST

So altverse was the afterlife that they all created together so they could be together?

[PapaGeorgio]

lol at Lost.

[Boomer]

The show is racist against black people!

[Splaya]

Wow, just read the ending as I'm not a big fan of the show.

How do the Lost fans feel about this?

[FearedSanctity]

ait Im so............LOST

So altverse was the afterlife that they all created together so they could be together?


Seems that way.

We were led to believe Alt. Verse was running simultaneously as Island Verse, when it actually takes place afterward. So real life ended with Jack dying and Hurley and Ben taking over Island duties

Or something. I don't fucking know.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Eko? Michael? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllll?! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt?! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLT?!!!

[Hanso Amore]

Ok I think I was on.

jack saved the island, life goes on for those who escaped. Hurley is the new jacob and ben was his aid. They all die at some point, some during the show, some after. The sideways is the afterlife or some form of purgatory until you are aready to move on. They all came together in the afterlife as it was their most important time together or some shit.

That is why hurley says "you would a good number two" to ben. And why kate "missed" jack so much, since she lived a full life after he died

[Calamondin]

I took it to mean that when you die in the Island timeline, you merge with alternate/heaven timeline. Or something Either way, pretty horrible.

I guess the writers/producers were right when they said the *island* wasn't purgatory/heaven.

[thedamndest]

Nikki and Paulo were not invited to the afterlife party.

[Jeritron]

God, I loved it.

[thedamndest]

This thread is a flash sideways to the normal Lost thread.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Good, Expose was the worst episode ever.

[Hanso Amore]

They werent ready :)

So I am totally fine in a sense with the Altverse Purgatory. But why did jack have a kid in it? And where did he go? Now his parents are both moving to heaven/hell.

Notice the window in the church? All faiths were in it

[RP]

i liked it

[FearedSanctity]

Great ending to an incredible show.

[thedamndest]

Who was the skeleton in the light pit area? We will never know.

[muffalufagus]

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[RP]

So basically Desmond was special because it was his job to gather them all once all of them die?

[RP]

I'm super sad that the show is over.

Especially with the shit ABC tried to shovel down my throat all night tonight. The Gate? Scoudrals? Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[PapaGeorgio]

My review of Lost:

Lost is kind of like the Aristocrats joke, starts of strong then slowly becomes less and less interesting. Then you get to the punchline and realize how that's not the joke, but the rest of it was.

[RP]

I really liked it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Not gonna lie, I shed a tear.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I really loved it. I knew a lot of people would bitch no matter what so I started browsing twitter after the end and sure enough it's there. But where normally I would think "wow, you people are retarded," tonight I just felt really bad that all those people didn't get what I got out of it.

[VSG]

I shed many a tear, and the Charlie-Claire one was probably the best scene of the night.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm not really sure what to think of this ending. I'm sitting here trying to digest the whole series in my head.

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah, no shit. Lost was (:'() so immense and deep that if the ending weren't the same it just wouldn't be right.

Will take some time to process everything fully.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah I can't even begin to process the significance of the story right now, I'm too drained from the emotional side.

[RP]

gotta watch Kimmel

[FearedSanctity]

Also, whoever suggested having Vincent come in and lay next to Jack at the end deserves some sort of reward.

[RP]

i'm kinda blown away at the moment

[Boomer]

I was hoping Eko would be the priest in the church, but it didn't happen. I understand Walt not being there...he never expressed any interest in returning to the Island. But Walt and Michael should probably have been there anyway.

[Boomer]

Regardless, I thought it was a fitting end. I'm glad I've watched it all in six months instead of waiting around for six years though. The suspense would have been a bit much for me.

[RP]

Kimmels theories are opening my mind

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Matthew Fox needs to stop buzzing his hair. Looks terrible.

[RP]

there are alternate endings on the Kimmel show tonight.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Glad Kimmel's doing this since he's a fanboy too. If Leno was doing this, oh man.

[Lock Jaw]

My thoughts:

- The Island is exactly what Jacob told Richard it was. Complete with cork holding back hell. It has existed for a long long time. Before anything we have seen. That's where all the other skeletons in the hole of light came from (previous Jacobs trying to see what is down there). That's where some of the statues, and whatnot came from. What we are seeing in the series is just a particular period in the history of The Island, telling the stories of this set of characters (mainly Jack).

- Smoke Monster was released when Jacob committed an act of murderous hate, freeing this monster (possibly a demon from hell?)

- The Island has a way of making people go where they need to be in life. The finale sees it bring what Jacob started to a close as Desmond, imbued with the ability to survive the electromagnetism pulls the cork, which makes Smokey corporeal and able to be killed.

- Jack, meanwhile, has gone on an epic character journey and accepted his role on The Island, sacrificing himself to restore the natural balance.

- Representing this new age of balance is the partnership of Hurley, who is probably the most innocent character on the show, and Ben, the most morally ambiguous.

- The Alt-Verse is pretty self-explanatory as purgatory. Where they all go after they die (whether it be in earlier seasons, or years down the line). Characters who aren't ready to go, like Anna-Lucia, Eko, and Michael, don't go with. Walt wasn't there because he was a child when all this happened, so there are probably more important people in his life to be together with when he goes to heaven.

- And so, the period in Island history ends as it began, with Jack in the bamboo field, closeup on the eye, this time closing.

FINAL VERDICT: I loved it.

Helped to distill my thoughts down into what may be my first lengthy serious TPWW post ever.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

[RP]

Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

yep!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Daniel Dae Kim is probably the sexiest Asian man alive.

[VSG]

Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

Yup, makes sense since Miles talked to dead Juliet at that point and Desmond (The Constant between real world and Purgatory) said that nothing mattered anymore since he was getting them all together in the alt-world.

[Lock Jaw]

Forgot about that Jimmy Kimmel thing. I'll have to download that show tomorrow, or watch it online or something.

Also, I have totally been listening to the Lost Soundtrack on youtube ever since the show ended.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, Charlie/Claire and Sun/Jin had me really choking up.

[VSG]

Well I am glad Jack/Kate happened finally. Screw all you Kate/Sawyer lovers :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Moollii has a great collection

[Lock Jaw]

In addition, yeah, Demond I think got a real glimpse behind the workings of the universe and was used by The Island as its physical conduit to get people where they need to go (causing the plane crash, seeing the future deal, and the purgatory stuff). By the end he wasn't really afraid to die because he knew where he (and everybody) was going, which is why he was so confident and laid back after Widmore zapped him.

[RP]

ROFL at this alternate endings

[FearedSanctity]

Figured they weren't real alternate endings. Couple weeks ago the guy that plays MIB said there weren't any

[Supreme Olajuwon]

ROFL Bob Newhart

[Lock Jaw]

In addition, yeah, Demond I think got a real glimpse behind the workings of the universe and was used by The Island as its physical conduit to get people where they need to go (causing the plane crash, seeing the future deal, and the purgatory stuff). By the end he wasn't really afraid to die because he knew where he (and everybody) was going, which is why he was so confident and laid back after Widmore zapped him.

I think Eloise Hawking may have been the Desmond of the "previous generation". With the knowledge of the workings of the universe and whatnot. Which is why she was always "in the know" and a kind of guide to Desmond.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/105048351.png

This guy's got tons of hilarious Lost comics: http://twitpic.com/photos/nedroid

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah thought that scene was a bit over the top

come on Frank, be cool