NFL 2008-2009 Season Thread

[Gonzo]

Thats okay. The "little to no respect" card worked for the GMen last year.

[VonErichLives]

Thats okay. The "little to no respect" card worked for the GMen last year.

worked for the Pats in 01 and 03...

I almost prefer that to the greatest team crap...

was funny in 2004 everyone finally started giving them the respect and you still had players trying to psych themselves up by saying "no one respects us" and you had reporters going "you're kidding right?"

[VonErichLives]

Favre is already complaining of Arm Fatigue..

I'll lmfao if he hangs it up without playing a game and the Jets and they have Kellen Clemens as QB.

[Triple A]

Went to the training camp today. Took some pretty shitty shots since my camera doesn't have a zoom lens. :mad: But whatever here are a few pics:

Jets Training Camp
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/entrance.jpg

Brett Favruh
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/favre.jpg

http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/favre2.jpg

http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/favre3.jpg

Wide shot
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/field.jpg

Jerricho Cotchery Action Shot
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/jerricho.jpg

Ben Graham Action Shot
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/graham.jpg

Mike Nugent Action Shot
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/nugent.jpg

Team
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/team.jpg

Some new stadium shit they had up
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/newstadium.jpg

Official Vehicle of NY Jets
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/jetstrainingcamp/toyota.jpg

Favre didn't really throw that much. It was a lot of Clemens and Ainge and Ratliff. He did throw a few though including a couple deep passes and his arm seemed pretty good 2 me.

Also Rachel Nichols was there and some hispanic kid shouted at her saying he would be "watching her all season" and she looked up and then kept walking by.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Favre is already complaining of Arm Fatigue..

I'll lmfao if he hangs it up without playing a game and the Jets and they have Kellen Clemens as QB.

What are you talking about? He just took it easy during one practice. I really am starting to think you are employed by WEEI

[RP]

Arm fatigue? He acts like he throws the ball or something.

[VonErichLives]

What are you talking about? He just took it easy during one practice. I really am starting to think you are employed by WEEI

While I wouldn't disagree with you that WEEI (usually the Big Show) may stretch things sometimes, this isn't them.


http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tih/story/275502.html

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/sports/jets/favre_not_concerned_with_arm_fatigue_124310.htm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809fa1dd&template=with-video&confirm=true

and if you do a quick google you'll find a bunch of other non-new england paper sources for the story.

Arm fatigue? He acts like he throws the ball or something.

yeah but, this isn't december when he's done it 10K times, this is day 5 of practice...

He's not worried, so could be nothing big...

but when you have a 38yr old QB, who originally was retired, didn't participate in any team off-season conditioning programs and is already feeling Arm Fatigue...

it could be nothing, but it's not exactly a good sign either.

[Hanso Amore]

I hope Farve drops dead in the middle of a game. I hate him.

The way he has held Green Bay hostage the last few years (Will he or wont he?) They finally were ready to move on (investing a major pick in his replacement that they could have used elsewhere had he not jerked them around) and now he came back and ruined the Team's image in their City so that he can play again, and worked his way out of town. How can anyone root for a prick like that?

[Kris P Lettus]

How can anyone like chicks with dicks??

[Kris P Lettus]

Big Fat Hollis Thomas tore his tricep at practice yesterday and will be out for 2 months.. I guess all that depth on the line will def now be tested.. So glad we got Sed Ellis now..

[SammyG]

Jackson possibly firing his agent. That would be amazing.

[Kris P Lettus]

Are they showing y'all's teams preseason games locally where ever you live??

Like, the paper say Fox is showing the Panthers and Eagles tonight, but no mention of the Saints.. It seems they've always shown all the preseason games in the past..

[Triple A]

Panthers vs. Eagles is the only game on tonight. The Saints play Saturday.

[Kris P Lettus]

I see that now.. I thought the game was tonight for some reason..

[McLegend]

What a great fake field goal attempt by the Eagles.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hell of a hit on Mush by Brian Dawkins..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Jackson possibly firing his agent. That would be amazing.

Didn't he just hire this guy like 2 months ago?

[VonErichLives]

Patriots signed Lynch. 1 year deal.

[RP]

Patriots just got alot slower. Awesome.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I guess hes taking over Tank Williams spot of hybrid linebacker/safety. Really can't see him and Harrison on the field at the same time though...way too slow

[VonErichLives]

I guess hes taking over Tank Williams spot of hybrid linebacker/safety. Really can't see him and Harrison on the field at the same time though...way too slow

that was my assumption when they brought him in to talk right after Tank went down.

Makes sense in that roll, and his age/speed shouldn't be an issue there, I don't see him being asked to man-up on top WR's in the league.

[SammyG]

Didn't he just hire this guy like 2 months ago?
Uh Huh.

[VonErichLives]

had a Patriots proshop card from a holiday gift... got a Mayo jersey... hope it's not too soon and doesn't jinx him or he doesn't change his number.

I was going to get a Wilfork last year, but now I see everyone with a Wilfork.

[VonErichLives]

oh, and I have good seats for Jets/Pats in Foxboro... think I'll bring my old Favre GB jersey... seems like a good place to burn it..

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm gonna get a Sed Ellis jersey around Christmas time..

Maybe Vilma..

Dunno..

[Gonzo]

I never get rookie jerseys. Hell, I don't really get jerseys at all anymore. Last one I bought I was like 17. Only place I would really wear one now is a game or something.

[VonErichLives]

I'm gonna get a Sed Ellis jersey around Christmas time..

Maybe Vilma..

Dunno..

Go Ellis, the younger the player the more years you can wear it...

found a drawer with some old ones...

have an old orange elway, aikman, favre, I think Ken Norton... I remember a site years ago had the replicas on sale and I bought a bunch... used most of them as gifts..

Oh, I love the Patriots... "throw backs" are like 30-50 more then current players and I'm not just talking "pat patriot red" unifrms, like the first flying Elvis with Vincent Brown was more money.

Troy Brown was the regular player price... wonder if he officiall retires if the price goes up...

Also, WTF with the Patriots selling black uniforms... I don't remember them ever, ever, ever wearing an all black uni.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, younger the better...though I'm not really big on rookie jerseys.

I think I got my Shockey jersey after his great rookie year. It served me well for 3 or so years but by then the numbers were starting to fade a bit, and I wound up making the mistake of getting an older player jersey. I got a Tiki Barber jersey and seriously he announced his retirement a week later.

I figured "well, it's ok...I can still wear it as he'll always be remembered"...then once he became a total prick I pretty much retired the jersey and stuck with the worn out Shockey on game days for another year. :o

Now that he's gone, I've got a brand new Tuck jersey and I got my dad an Umenyiora for his birthday. Defensive ends 4tw :cool:

I was tempted to get an away jersey after last year's success on the road but the fact that there's no blue in them still bothers me a bit.</font>

[Kris P Lettus]

I own a Brees and a "throwback" Sam Mills jersey, which is one reason I was leaning towards Ellis, cause who wants two #51 jerseys from the same team..

I was thinking about a white Will Smith jersey too..

:dunno:

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, I lost my favorite jersey of all time in Katrina..

Norman Hand

:(

[OssMan]

rofl Norman Hand

[Kris P Lettus]

:cool:

They are showing the game here tonight..

WOOOOOOOOOO

[SammyG]

Wow, I get Rams-Chargers at 6 my time, Awesome!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/cooley_blog

Cooley opens a pack of cards and got pissed after getting Yamon Figurs and asked if he was even on a team :lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

While I wouldn't disagree with you that WEEI (usually the Big Show) may stretch things sometimes, this isn't them.


http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tih/story/275502.html

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132008/sports/jets/favre_not_concerned_with_arm_fatigue_124310.htm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809fa1dd&template=with-video&confirm=true

and if you do a quick google you'll find a bunch of other non-new england paper sources for the story.Musta missed this...

But no I know it was a national story that his arm was tired but you where making it seem like this might force Favre into retirement or something. Sound like the guys from WEEI or something, completely over blowing one little thing that isn't a big deal at all.

[SammyG]

Rams 7
Chargers 6

...Awesome

Bulger fucking sucks.

[Triple A]

Weird ass ending to the Jets game.

Redskins were up 13-10.

5 seconds left in the 4th.

Jets at the Skins 6 yd line. 3rd and goal.

Mangini decides to kick a fg to send it to overtime for some reason?

And Mike Nugent misses the 23 yd fg and the Jets lose anyway. Preseason yeah but I dunno kinda dumb.

[VonErichLives]

Musta missed this...

But no I know it was a national story that his arm was tired but you where making it seem like this might force Favre into retirement or something. Sound like the guys from WEEI or something, completely over blowing one little thing that isn't a big deal at all.

wasn't trying to make it bigger then it was, but it wasn't a good sign.

he's old, he's not in "game shape", he has a new system to learn and has admitted many times he loves to play but hates to study...

I just still think this was a really bad move for the Jets, (which of course makes me happy), but time will tell.

[Triple A]

How is it a bad move?

They would not have done anything with Pennington this year.

Clemens also hasn't been that great. Being a backup under Favre will help him "develop". They would have been like 5-11 I bet if Clemens started this year.

Also just the publicity factor. Everyone is talking about and watching the Jets now.

[SammyG]

I'm not. Gonna watch them 1 time this year, when the Rams play them.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Favre's abilities right now but its better than whatever they had before. Favre will end the season with a terrible game in the playoffs (has the last 5 seasons)

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Favre's abilities right now but its better than whatever they had before. Favre will end the season with a terrible game in the playoffs (has the last 5 seasons)

Nah, no way does he get the jets into the Playoffs. He will throw his 25th INT in a loss in week 16, and tuck his tail and retire.

[Kris P Lettus]

Jason "TOAST" David is the worst cornerback in the league.. Byfar.. Bobby Herbert was saying that he thinks Payton is keeping him with alot of playing time in the preseason, allowing himself to prove he's the same overpaid piece of shit he was last year.. So when he cuts him in the next week or two, no arguement will ensue..

Fuck Jason David in his stupid ass..

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna be interesting to watch the G-Men tomorrow seeing as their top 5 receivers are all not gonna play (Burress, Toomer, Smith, Tyree, Manningham).

Domenik Hixon, Sinorice Moss, Michael Jennings, DJ Hall, and Craphonso Thorpe are gonna be pretty much auditioning for Tyree and Manningham's spots since they are both probably gonna start on the PUP list.</font>

[Gonzo]

I think Hixon is pretty secure based on his return abilities, unless they decide to go with Bradshaw instead.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah Hixon is prolly the safest bet, but he's also playing for more playing time with the injuries.

Another guy I forgot to mention is Brandon London, supposedly he's been impressing in camp.

If Tyree and Manningham are both headed for the PUP list (Tyree is almost a foregone conclusion, not sure on Manningham)...at least 3 of those WR are gonna make the team...possibly even 4 if nobody establishes themselves as a 3rd TE</font>

[OssMan]

Any time I hear the name Craphonso I think that someone is making a bad pun on his name, and implying that he is "crap"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots 2nd offense is looking like absolute poo out there tonight, all the back up QBs look terrible too.

[Crimson]

good thing Brady never gets injured

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If hes does though they are fucked, well I guess a lot of teams would be if their starting QB went down. Still though, would like to see them do a little something, it was all garbage for the most part.

lol@ Tampa having 5 QBs though. Come on

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.nflelite.com/group.php?group_id=10

[VonErichLives]

How is it a bad move?

They would not have done anything with Pennington this year.

Clemens also hasn't been that great. Being a backup under Favre will help him "develop". They would have been like 5-11 I bet if Clemens started this year.

Also just the publicity factor. Everyone is talking about and watching the Jets now.

True, it will help with people following the Jets, how many Favre jerseys do you think get shipped to WI?

I just think they still wont make the playoffs with him and to give up a pick which is a young/potential player for a gun slinger who will now be in a "system" where before he was the "system" just didn't make a lot of sense to me... they'd have been better with chad and keeping the pick. but time will tell.

Nah, no way does he get the jets into the Playoffs. He will throw his 25th INT in a loss in week 16, and tuck his tail and retire.

Bingo, so the Jets will be worse then before because next year they wont have a pick and they'll have no QB. Plus, had they played it right they could have gotten some type of conditional pick for Chad.

good thing Brady never gets injured

Word is he didn't make the Tampa trip due to an "sore foot"... I'd worry about this as much as I'd worry about people who are worried about Manning this year.

[RP]

True, it will help with people following the Jets, how many Favre jerseys do you think get shipped to WI?

I just think they still wont make the playoffs with him and to give up a pick which is a young/potential player for a gun slinger who will now be in a "system" where before he was the "system" just didn't make a lot of sense to me... they'd have been better with chad and keeping the pick. but time will tell.



Bingo, so the Jets will be worse then before because next year they wont have a pick and they'll have no QB. Plus, had they played it right they could have gotten some type of conditional pick for Chad.



Word is he didn't make the Tampa trip due to an "sore foot"... I'd worry about this as much as I'd worry about people who are worried about Manning this year.

It's possible Manning might not play the opening game.

[Hanso Amore]

There were people in Buffalo calling for the Bills to go after farve.

Which I think is retarded. For a team like Chicago, that has an established playoff calibur team but sucks at QB, it would work, but for Buffalo and the Jets, 2 rebuilding teams, it is retarded, because even if he plays solid, you are still needing a Franchise QB. I dont think the Jets are that much better with Farve, because they need so much more.

Trading for Farve is something you do to win NOW, gambling the future for present success, which is exactly the opposite of what the Jets should have been doing.

[VonErichLives]

Clemens also hasn't been that great. Being a backup under Favre will help him "develop".

that's another thing, Favre had said many times in GB when they had younger back ups it isn't his job to teach... so I'm not sure that would help Clemens, especially if he doesn't have Favre's arm and tries to play the same way.

It's possible Manning might not play the opening game.

Really? Even if he does I'm not worried, he had a bursa sack removed... he should be fine.

There were people in Buffalo calling for the Bills to go after farve.

Which I think is retarded. For a team like Chicago, that has an established playoff calibur team but sucks at QB, it would work, but for Buffalo and the Jets, 2 rebuilding teams, it is retarded, because even if he plays solid, you are still needing a Franchise QB. I dont think the Jets are that much better with Farve, because they need so much more.

Trading for Farve is something you do to win NOW, gambling the future for present success, which is exactly the opposite of what the Jets should have been doing.

that was my point with the Jets, they weren't just a QB away from competing for a SB... Chicago it would have made sense, Tampa it would have made sense. NYJ it's silly, he doesn't win them a Division, he doesn't put them in a SB and they gave up a pick and a year where they could have been grooming Clemens (if that's their guy)

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Mangini could be a losing season away from being fired though.

[Triple A]

lol, 30-3 Giants after less than 16 mins of football.

[Triple A]

There were people in Buffalo calling for the Bills to go after farve.

Which I think is retarded. For a team like Chicago, that has an established playoff calibur team but sucks at QB, it would work, but for Buffalo and the Jets, 2 rebuilding teams, it is retarded, because even if he plays solid, you are still needing a Franchise QB. I dont think the Jets are that much better with Farve, because they need so much more.

Trading for Farve is something you do to win NOW, gambling the future for present success, which is exactly the opposite of what the Jets should have been doing.
They aren't really gambling anything though. At worst a second round pick, in return for a year (or maybe 2?) of Favre. I will take that. Like I said they weren't gonna do shit with Pennington or Clemens this year. IT would have been a terrible year regardless. I don't think Clemens is gonna be their franchise QB of the future so they don't have a QB regardless. It is not like they are trading away a ton of promising young players and three draft picks for Favre. It's one draft pick for a winning season and a trip to the playoffs (10-6 WATCH) and thousands of Favre jerseys sold, and a media circus around the Jets. They are on the front page of every paper in NY. Not the Super Bowl champ Giants.

The positives far outweigh the negatives. I would take this deal any day EASY

[Gonzo]

lol, 30-3 Giants after less than 16 mins of football.

Yeah first team threw down. Domenik Hixon solidified himself a roster spot. Two receiving TD's and a return TD in the first quarter. Big ups to him. Nice to see him play that well with/against the first teams.

ANYWAYS, want to see more Kenny Phillips and Andre Woodson in the second half.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hixon had a nice grab in the back of the endzone

This guy Syndric Steptoe for the Browns has been real impressive too, too bad they already have an all star kick returner in Cribbs because he could be pretty dangerous in that role.

[Gonzo]

I like the way this Danny Ware guy runs. If he keeps this up, the Giants ought to keep him on and release Reuben Dreughns. (sp?)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Didn't see any of the game...a little bummed to see Woodson only got to throw the ball once, but it makes sense because they wanna settle the #2 QB job asap.

Any questions about Hixon can go out the window now. Still gonna be a close battle for the other WR spots...interesting that Hall and London didn't catch anything.</font>

[Gonzo]

I don't even think that Hall and London got in that much. I saw Hall in there, but no passes went his way I believe.

Hixon definitely locked a roster spot. If he didn't I'll shit myself.

[Boomer]

Danny Ware was pretty sick 3rd stringer for UGA. He was the only football player I ever knowingly had in one of my classes.

He hasn't been keeping his shit together though. But he has the talent.

[Hanso Amore]

They aren't really gambling anything though. At worst a second round pick, in return for a year (or maybe 2?) of Favre. I will take that. Like I said they weren't gonna do shit with Pennington or Clemens this year. IT would have been a terrible year regardless. I don't think Clemens is gonna be their franchise QB of the future so they don't have a QB regardless. It is not like they are trading away a ton of promising young players and three draft picks for Favre. It's one draft pick for a winning season and a trip to the playoffs (10-6 WATCH) and thousands of Favre jerseys sold, and a media circus around the Jets. They are on the front page of every paper in NY. Not the Super Bowl champ Giants.

The positives far outweigh the negatives. I would take this deal any day EASY


Draft picks are worth so much more than money these days, especially to a NY team with deep pockets IMHO.

But yes, they are going to make mad money off this, good point.

I just dont see it panning out. Even with Farve I dont see the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets finishing any higher than 3rd in the AFC East, no way does that get them a playoff spot. Maybe next year, but Farve will be even another year older, so then in the end, they get 2 years of Farve, and are abck at square one.



BTW, does anyone see the Farve/Rodgers/Brohm thing playing out like Montana/Young/Bono? :) Does that mean the Jets can plan on getting Brohm in a few years?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No, I don't think Rodgers is going to be the good in the NFL just basing it off where he came from. Pretty sure every single first round QB from the Jeff Tedford system has come in and failed in the NFL

[Kris P Lettus]

Matt Ryan is gonna start the next Falcons preseason game.. Based on his performance and Herrington and Redman's, they'll decide on the opening day starter..

Kyle Orton was named the Bears regular season starter..

[SammyG]

K, starting to get really worried Jackson won't play this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

That would be awesome..

[SammyG]

No, no it would not.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He'll play, he might not come back until the very end of camp but he'll play

[ClockShot]

Falcons cut Hollywood Joe Horn.

I wouldn't mind the Broncos picking him up. We could use a vet. Besides, Horn, Marshall, Jackson, Stokley, and Colbert wouldn't be a bad crew.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots cut Marcus Pollard today too, figured he'd stick around but the dude is pretty old

[RP]

All the grabbing and holding in the 03 AFC Championship game alone, put 4 years on his career.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

:'(

[Skippord]

Falcons cut Hollywood Joe Horn.

I wouldn't mind the Broncos picking him up. We could use a vet. Besides, Horn, Marshall, Jackson, Stokley, and Colbert wouldn't be a bad crew.
And Eddie Royal too

[Kris P Lettus]

Horn wants too much money.. His last year with us, he was hurt and was hella outshined by Colston.. He went to ATL thinking they'd have Vick and that flopped in his face.. Now he's a past his prime superstar who wants too much money for what he's brought for the past couple of years..

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/_photos/2003-12-16-inside-horn.jpg

I still love him though..

HOLLYWOOOOOD

:(

New 87 though...

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bI83ngcsY6jw/340x.jpg

[SammyG]

He said he would like to go to the Rams, among other teams. We could use him.

[SammyG]

JACKSON REPORTS. Bout fucking time, Steven.

[RoXer]

This guy Syndric Steptoe for the Browns has been real impressive too, too bad they already have an all star kick returner in Cribbs because he could be pretty dangerous in that role.

Are you serious? He got picked up by a team? Stima, you've just made my day.

I was hoping the Cards would have taken him as a return guy because I don't see Breaston/Arrington panning out. It could really help us out now too since Boldin wants out (no one saw that coming though). He had so many good returns at UofA. I thought he was going to be in NFL europe forever or something.

GLORIOUS NEWS. Now maybe they can cut him so the Cards can pick him up.

[RoXer]

And as far Boldin leaving, if he wants to then let him. I really think money is the issue at hand but he claims it's something else. I'd wish he stick around for 1 more year and if the Cards do jack shit (which they will) then he should ask for the trade in the off season. But if he really wants out then the Cards should shop heavily.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gene Upshaw has passed away.

RIP</font> :(

[Kris P Lettus]

He was kind of a dick..

RIP

[SammyG]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Jackson signed a five-year extension worth $49 million, including $21 million in guaranteed money. The contract will likely void after two years, making it a three-year, $29.3 million dollar extension.

[SammyG]

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/sjcamp625aug22.jpg

NIGGA I GOT PAAAAAAAAIDDDDDDDD

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Jackson is awesome.


but lol @ that picture.

[VonErichLives]

I bet you $10 the Jets go at least 10-6 VEL

NY-NY in Vegas had the o/u at 8... I was tempted to bet over and cover my bet with you "just in case" but decided I'd rather double up and took the under :)

so, I have under 10 w/ you and under 8 with them...

[Triple A]

What are all the o/u wins for every team? Link

[Triple A]

Hmmm these are from May though...



http://bp2.blogger.com/_Xtn5bp8dZEg/SCjiU_ONt-I/AAAAAAAABbg/PcBEnAFBtjU/s400/nflwintotals1.bmp
http://bp1.blogger.com/_Xtn5bp8dZEg/SCjiyvONt_I/AAAAAAAABbo/8zsp9VKoLz4/s400/nflwintotals2.bmp

[Nervous Ferret]

over for Indy looks like a good bet :o

[McLegend]

Eagles had great looking offense against the Pats. Special teams were awsome as well.

[Kris P Lettus]

I've been hearing the Pats have looked like shit on both sides of the ball this preseason.. Not only because Brady is hurt, but I've heard their D has looked horrid against every team they've faced..

:-\

[VonErichLives]

Trips, I remember the Pats were 12.5 -110 each way.

not sure about the others, also remember not all casinos are the same and if a not of money comes in on one side they may adjust the line or payout.

I've been hearing the Pats have looked like shit on both sides of the ball this preseason.. Not only because Brady is hurt, but I've heard their D has looked horrid against every team they've faced..

:-\

Offense has been ok, the D-back field has been an issue, the Line has looked good, but I have a fear of Harrison and Lynch out there at the same time getting spun like tops...

the little I watched last night no one seemed to know how to tackle.

Mayo has looked good though.

that and I put little stock in pre-season for an established team, good teams with a core that has been together a few years just need to not get injured.

Heck, last year I don't think Moss even played in the pre-season.

[RP]

I dont think the Pats are making the playoffs this year tbh. Not with that defense. Not in the AFC.

[VonErichLives]

I dont think the Pats are making the playoffs this year tbh. Not with that defense. Not in the AFC.

I'd bet you money but I know you'd never pay.

By the way, (and this is a question, not a digg at the Colts)there is a rumor going around that Manning is in worse shape then thought and he had a 2nd surgery to clean out an infection and is still having swelling problems and when he tries to move the knee to rehab it causes more swelling.

the source is Michael Lombardi, current SI writer and former NFL exec that worked in player personel for a few teams and considered a reliable source...

I know the Colts have denied he had a 2nd surgery...

So, RP... what's the word in Indy? (people have fantasy drafts ya know!)

[RP]

Everyone thinks its a rumor. He said to of done a few walk thrus with the team. I'm worried sick. If i have to hear Jim Sorgi announced as our starting QB on Sunday Night Football in the first game of the new stadium, i might kill myself. I dunno. I almost say roll the dice with Fatboy Lorenzon. Atleast he can sling it. Sorgi is like a deer in headlights.

I'm hope its not true, but everyone in Indy thinks its not a credible source. But Indy has a history of being shadey with reporting the truth about there injured players. We heard all last year that Marvin could play if it was the playoffs, then he gets in the playoff game obviously injured, probably cost us that game with his fumble. We coulda been up 10 going into half time. I think Peyton will be back, but i'm worried.

[Triple A]

The New York Giants at The New York Jets

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints at Bengals in alittle while..

SHOCKEY DEBUT

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Umenyiora carted off with a knee injury

Didn't look to serious but I'm not a doctor. Really hope he's ok...if not, get Strahan out of retirement</font> :shifty:

[VonErichLives]

Everyone thinks its a rumor. He said to of done a few walk thrus with the team. I'm worried sick. If i have to hear Jim Sorgi announced as our starting QB on Sunday Night Football in the first game of the new stadium, i might kill myself. I dunno. I almost say roll the dice with Fatboy Lorenzon. Atleast he can sling it. Sorgi is like a deer in headlights.

I'm hope its not true, but everyone in Indy thinks its not a credible source. But Indy has a history of being shadey with reporting the truth about there injured players. We heard all last year that Marvin could play if it was the playoffs, then he gets in the playoff game obviously injured, probably cost us that game with his fumble. We coulda been up 10 going into half time. I think Peyton will be back, but i'm worried.

it's funny how to two top QB's in the league, both have some ?'s this year and both have shitty or questionable backups.

[Kris P Lettus]

LORENZEN IS NOT A SHITTY BACKUP!!!

:rant:

:foc:

Anyway, stalling out in the redzone still but that'll change next week (SHOCKEY).. I was disappointed that he didn't play but whatever.. Predator looked amazing.. Our pass rush was there tonight, which was nice.. Porter looked better than Toast.. It was funny seeing him (David) playing that late in a preseason game but I'm all for it.. PR Cruiser is a stud.. As is Stecker.. Devery and Green both looked subpar compared to Moore and Meach..

Good game..


Who DEY?!?!?


lol

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh yeah and we bloody Carson Palmer.. Bust his nose and mouth from what it looked like..

:beasts:

[Triple A]

Jets defense looked mad good.

Also Favre looks good and Ratliff again.

Thomas Jones is fucking terrible and I hate him and his 3 yard per carry average. It is like he doesn't even try to find a hole and just immediately falls forward as soon as he gets the ball.

[SammyG]

Wow, Rams looked great against the Ravens. 24-10... First team offense scored 2 TDs finally. I loved it.

[Gonzo]

Completely forgot about the fucking game last night. ahdgjadiuvnudn :rant:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Fun game last night for my Panthers, yeah it was against Washington but still.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora suffered a torn MCL, and will miss the entire season.

......

......

:| they're fucked. Not just in trouble, absolutely fucked. Now Justin Tuck is going to be double teamed every play unless Dave Tollefson or Renaldo Wynn somehow become really good. Or Kiwanuka has to move back to the line.

Please come back Stra</font> :(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Christ....there was this topic on the Giants message board yesterday from an obnoxious Giants fan:

"Osi's gonna sack Brett and knock him out for the year, calling it now"

and everyone said the same thing "shut the fuck up, you probably just jinxed Osi" :o ....and now this happens</font>

[OssMan]

That guy definitely jinxed him

At least Tuck will prolly play RE now, his natural position

[Gonzo]

....MOTHER FUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Gonzo]

Wow, that totally puts a huge hole in the strongest part of the Giants team. Unbelievable. Fucking ahfguoinsoinoiug.

Maybe they ought to consider moving Kiwi back to DE. GOD THIS PISSES ME TEH FUCK OFF.

[Boomer]

Falcons signed Pollard and announced Matt Ryan will start Week 1 against the Lions.

[Gonzo]

*crotch chop* to whoever was arguing that Ryan wouldn't start. Told you it would be close to week 1.

[#1-norm-fan]

I can really see the Giants surprising everyone for a couple weeks, just really going balls out to prove they can still win but then just falling apart after the first few games.

And as for Matt Ryan starting, Atlanta will be a playoff contender next year. Should be fun to watch him.

And watching Jets games is just weird now. Seeing a QB in a Jets uniform move around like that and throw bullets is just strange... not to mention when you see "FAVRE" over the number 4 on his jersey.

[RP]

Bobby and Dwight are back tonight.

[Hanso Amore]

Ouch, I really like Osi, that sucks. This was his year to Breakout as the face of the Giants with Strahan gone. The guy is amazing. Sucks.

Bills will be without Trent Edwards for the game agains Indy tonight.

Battle of the shitty backups (I would rather have Sorgi than Losman)

[#1-norm-fan]

Battle of the shitty backups (I would rather have Sorgi than Losman)

lol. That seems a bit harsh.

I think Losman is the better of two evils here.

[Nervous Ferret]

Nigerian chief

[SammyG]

BAAWWWWWLLLIIIINNN' !

[Team Sheep]

I predict the Giants to have a season like the Steelers had after winning their wild card Super Bowl.

[Team Sheep]

Fuck yeah Jets/Dolphins game is on TV here in the UK in week 1.

[McLegend]

Osi Umenyiora is hurt?

That is fuckin awsome.

[VonErichLives]

LORENZEN IS NOT A SHITTY BACKUP!!!

:rant:

:foc:


Sorry, how about "completely unproven at a pro-level QB"?

Which pretty much covers everyone after Brady and Manning on those teams.

Although I think Sorgi has more pro completions then the rest of them have in attempts... (77)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>John Clayton has speculated that Strahan might consider coming out of retirement for $8 million a year, double what he was slated to make had he not retired.

I dunno what the Giants' cap situation is, but I'd offer that in a heartbeat. And its perfectly understandable for Mike to demand more. He's said to be happy in retirement and he just took a TV job...wouldn't want to risk burning any bridges.</font>

[Innovator]

I was at the game, saw Osi go down and with the trainers doing the endpoint test...got a sick feeling in my stomach

Jets receivers better get used to having someone who can throw over 20 mph, Favre hit them all in the hands when they dropped them

Speaking of receivers, they weren't running any routes right last night, Plax better man up and get in the game

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn, Osi was like, the only player on the Giants I like, besides Eli..

Atlanta will be a playoff contender next year.

LMFAO

Also:

Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer treated for broken nose

6 hours ago
CINCINNATI — Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer broke his nose during Saturday night's pre-season game against the New Orleans Saints, but coach Marvin Lewis said he should be ready for the regular season opener.
Lewis said in a statement Sunday that Palmer had a small crack in one of his nose bones and it took doctors about 10 minutes to put it back in place.
Palmer is listed as questionable for Cincinnati's pre-season finale Thursday at Indianapolis, but is expected to start the opener Sept. 7 against Baltimore.
The team said fourth-year quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick will make his first Bengals pre-season start if Palmer is unable to play.
Palmer was sacked three times by the Saints in the first half, the last on a safety blitz by Kevin Kaesviharn with two seconds left. The quarterback walked off the field with blood spilling down the front of his face, his nose already showing a prominent bump. He didn't return for the second half.
Palmer got knocked to the ground five times during a 27-10 loss to Detroit a week earlier.
He was 11-of-16 against the Saints for 105 yards, working without Pro Bowl receivers T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chad Johnson due to injury. Two of their backups also were hurt in the week leading up to the game.

[Gonzo]

John Clayton has speculated that Strahan might consider coming out of retirement for $8 million a year, double what he was slated to make had he not retired.

I dunno what the Giants' cap situation is, but I'd offer that in a heartbeat. And its perfectly understandable for Mike to demand more. He's said to be happy in retirement and he just took a TV job...wouldn't want to risk burning any bridges.

That speculation was going on when he was still 'considering' retirement. I don't think he is coming out of retirement. Who knows what his personal workout regiment is like? Theres two weeks until week one and he has been decidedly retired for a while now so I doubt he is keeping in 'football shape'. I think the Giants chances of getting Strahan back are slim to none. Believe me I would love for him to come on for another year but I just don't think its in the cards.

[McLegend]

One of the best days ever.

[Gonzo]

I don't give out red rep often but you sir, you son of a bitch, are close to getting two in one night!!!

[Gonzo]

Nah all much love, but fuck you, dirty cunt Eagirls fan.

[McLegend]

Whatever Eagles have a starting pro bowl defensive end and the Giants don't.

It's the Eagles year.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8906/palmerqg7.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

Whatever Eagles have a starting pro bowl defensive end and the Giants don't.

It's the Eagles year.

The Freak went back to the Titans..

:shifty:

[Gonzo]

Whatever Eagles have a starting pro bowl defensive end and the Giants don't.

It's the Eagles year.

The Eagles can suck my fucking cock. Justin Tuck will be in the Pro Bowl you scumbag mother fuckers.

[McLegend]

New York is falling apart.

Yankees won't make the playoffs.
The Mets will somehow collaspe.
Osi get hurts.
Brett Favre will throw like 50 ints. That team probably willl be fun to watch though cause of Fave so that's not really that bad.
Then Mike and Mad Dog are done.

McNabb is having a party right now.

[McLegend]

Winston Justice is even gonna be invited.

[Kris P Lettus]

Actually, I bet McNabb is eating Campbell's Chunky Soup with his mom right now..

I guess he would consider that a "party"..

[McLegend]

I would want to go to that party.

[OssMan]

Remember how the Giants are defending super bowl champions lol

[McLegend]

Nah actually I don't. Since they are so not talked about by the Media.

I actually forgot they won.

[OssMan]

How about the Eagles win a superbowl or something, I am sure the MEDIA will talk about them a lot so people will remember their win!

[Crimson]

Tear 'em up Romo

[McLegend]

If they ever do I'm sure they will mention the fans booing or something.

And I wouldn't care at that point anyway.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Allow me to do a retrospective on the last 47 years of NFL Championships:

1961 - Not the Eagles
1962 - Not the Eagles
1963 - Not the Eagles
1964 - Not the Eagles
1965 - Not the Eagles
1966 - Not the Eagles
1967 - Not the Eagles
1968 - Not the Eagles
1969 - Not the Eagles
1970 - Not the Eagles
1971 - Not the Eagles
1972 - Not the Eagles
1973 - Not the Eagles
1974 - Not the Eagles
1975 - Not the Eagles
1976 - Not the Eagles
1977 - Not the Eagles
1978 - Not the Eagles
1979 - Not the Eagles
1980 - Not the Eagles
1981 - Not the Eagles
1982 - Not the Eagles
1983 - Not the Eagles
1984 - Not the Eagles
1985 - Not the Eagles
1986 - Not the Eagles
1987 - Not the Eagles
1988 - Not the Eagles
1989 - Not the Eagles
1990 - Not the Eagles
1991 - Not the Eagles
1992 - Not the Eagles
1993 - Not the Eagles
1994 - Not the Eagles
1995 - Not the Eagles
1996 - Not the Eagles
1997 - Not the Eagles
1998 - Not the Eagles
1999 - Not the Eagles
2000 - Not the Eagles
2001 - Not the Eagles
2002 - Not the Eagles
2003 - Not the Eagles
2004 - Not the Eagles
2005 - Not the Eagles
2006 - Not the Eagles
2007 - Not the Eagles

The end.</font>

[McLegend]

Why did you not include 1960 when the Eagles did win the Championship?

But I have had to listen to all of you for the past 8 months from jubliation to the sudden ridicilous complaining about how the Giants aren't getting enough attention. Even though everyday I've had to hear about Giants are getting overlooked which would mean they are getting enough attention.

Then after the Super bowl everyone everywhere is a Giants fan.

Then Eli Manning is loved by everyone? WTF

[Hanso Amore]

LOL! In the face!

[Gonzo]

I have always loved Eli and never played the no respect card. I may have mentioned it in discussions but I don't bring it up habitually. Anyway, Giants > Eagles.

[Evil Vito]

That speculation was going on when he was still 'considering' retirement. I don't think he is coming out of retirement. Who knows what his personal workout regiment is like? Theres two weeks until week one and he has been decidedly retired for a while now so I doubt he is keeping in 'football shape'. I think the Giants chances of getting Strahan back are slim to none. Believe me I would love for him to come on for another year but I just don't think its in the cards.

<font color=goldenrod>According to Schefter, Strahan was asked about it and he said he wouldn't rule out a comeback...so we'll see.

If he came back, I'd assume he'd have to get back into football shape first...so move Kiwi to the line while using Strahan as a situational pass rush guy until he's ready to start.

Then when Stra starts, you let Kiwi play primarily at LB, move him to the line for passing downs like they did with Tuck last year...all kinds of things you can do.</font>

[OssMan]

Legend is still pissed that Osi Umenyiora sacked the Eagles 6 times in a game

[Gonzo]

I heard on the Van Pelt / Tirico show that Coughlin hinted or indicated at moving Kiwi back to DE. I'm not sure when this was supposed to happen, but I assume sometime today or last evening. I hadn't heard anything like this since yesterday, so this must be a new development. Bum bum bum.

[Triple A]

God I am thinking about it... the NFC seems real awful this year. Who is going to be good? The Cowboys... the Giants... I think that is it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Remember when the most obnoxious Eagles fan ever (I know, that's saying something) used to post here? Like... way beyond typical Eagles fan. It wasn't legend. I can't remember his name. :mad:

[#1-norm-fan]

God I am thinking about it... the NFC seems real awful this year. Who is going to be good? The Cowboys... the Giants... I think that is it.

I really can't see The Giants making the playoffs. People say "Remember, they won the Super Bowl" but they got in as a Wild Card Team with a defense that has lost three of their best players...

I'm thinking the NFC playoff teams will be Dallas, Green Bay, New Orleans, Seattle, Philadelphia, and Minnesota. Just off the top of my head. I think there will be some pretty good teams in that pack but compared to the AFC, yeah, it's a drop off.

[SammyG]

Is Strahan really coming out of retirement, come on.

[#1-norm-fan]

LMFAO

Here me now... believe me later.

Nest season... The Atlanta Falcons... will go 8-8 and contend late for a playoff spot.

I think Matt Ryan is that good.

[SammyG]

lol

[Gonzo]

Honestly, the NFC East could easily be a toss up. It all depends on who can stay healthy and so far the Giants are losing that battle. :mad:

[Triple A]

Saying the Giants won't make the playoffs this year is really dumb IMO.

And it seems like everyone is saying it. I don't understand that at all. I think like 98% they will make the playoffs. The NFC is awful and they are a really good team. The Osi injury is big but it's not going to destroy the entire team.

[Gonzo]

Its not even the loss of Osi and the production (13 sacks last year, team high) but the whole mental aspect of it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Saying the Giants won't make the playoffs this year is really dumb IMO.

And it seems like everyone is saying it. I don't understand that at all. I think like 98% they will make the playoffs. The NFC is awful and they are a really good team. The Osi injury is big but it's not going to destroy the entire team.

They struggled to get into the playoffs last year and they had a much better team. How no one understands that people don't think they would get in is beyond me.

[Triple A]

Because by the end of the year and into the playoffs they were the hottest/best team in football? And the rest of the NFC is awful? There is no way 6 teams from the NFC will be better than them this year.

[Triple A]

Its not even the loss of Osi and the production (13 sacks last year, team high) but the whole mental aspect of it.
That is true but I think they will get over it unless more players start going down. The Giants defense always seems to be decimated by injuries every year.

[#1-norm-fan]

Because by the end of the year and into the playoffs they were the hottest/best team in football? And the rest of the NFC is awful? There is no way 6 teams from the NFC will be better than them this year.

6 teams don't need to be better than them.

Assuming they don't win the division (Which I definitely can't see them doing) there only needs to be two teams that didn't win their division better than them.

I think Philly will get in as a wild card as well as either Minnesota or Green Bay.

[VonErichLives]

Here me now... believe me later.

Nest season... The Atlanta Falcons... will go 8-8 and contend late for a playoff spot.

I think Matt Ryan is that good.

I think Ryan is good, but more importantly I think Turner is THAT GOOD...

however, the rest of the team is pretty suspect... not sure if they have enough tools around them yet...

[#1-norm-fan]

That's why i give them a year for some serious playoff buzz. I think next year, they will be what Houston was last year.

[#1-norm-fan]

They need to pick up a big play receiver though

[OssMan]

Remember when the most obnoxious Eagles fan ever (I know, that's saying something) used to post here? Like... way beyond typical Eagles fan. It wasn't legend. I can't remember his name. :mad:Rain Man/WORDLIFEMUTHA

[Gonzo]

That is true but I think they will get over it unless more players start going down. The Giants defense always seems to be decimated by injuries every year.

Well if they move Kiwi back to DE they will still have depth, plus another player who is a natural DE, not a converted LB. However it remains to be seen who they will plug in at the SLB in place of Kiwi, if that move is made. I think Tuck will be able to produce, but there needs to be a viable threat or some damn creative schemes in order to maintain the Giants defensive philosophy.

[#1-norm-fan]

Rain Man/WORDLIFEMUTHA

YEAH

:mad:

[McLegend]

Remember when the most obnoxious Eagles fan ever (I know, that's saying something) used to post here? Like... way beyond typical Eagles fan. It wasn't legend. I can't remember his name. :mad:

wordlifemutha or something like that. Then he changed his name to Rain man.

Edit
I missed assman's post

[SammyG]

THE RAMS WILL BEAT THE EAGLES

[Gonzo]

Hope so.

[Boomer]

They need to pick up a big play receiver though

Are you kidding? Roddy White might be one of the best kept secrets from last year. Our receiving core has actually got me excited...they've been catching a whole lot more than during the Vick era.

[Evil Vito]

Well if they move Kiwi back to DE they will still have depth, plus another player who is a natural DE, not a converted LB. However it remains to be seen who they will plug in at the SLB in place of Kiwi, if that move is made. I think Tuck will be able to produce, but there needs to be a viable threat or some damn creative schemes in order to maintain the Giants defensive philosophy.

<font color=goldenrod>Coughlin announced today that, for the moment (ie barring Strahan), the plan is for Kiwi to be at DE...Danny Clark starts at SLB with Gerris Wilkinson getting the nod at WLB.

Before this, they had 9 LB but likely only 7 spots. Kiwi, Pierce, Wilkinson, Clark, DeOssie, Kehl, Goff, Blackburn, and Daniels.

Now Kiwi's back to DE...and Goff might have to go on IR or the PUP list or something, so all of them probably are safe now.</font>

[McLegend]

THE RAMS WILL BEAT THE EAGLES

It is possible.

[Innovator]

Here we go Tuck

[Skippord]

God I am thinking about it... the NFC seems real awful this year. Who is going to be good? The Cowboys... the Giants... I think that is it.
The Vikings may be good

depending on Tarvaris Jackson

[SammyG]

Yeah, exactly.

Also, Tatupu left the Hawks game on crutches, which is awesome for the Rams.

[Kris P Lettus]

Here me now... believe me later.

Nest season... The Atlanta Falcons... will go 8-8 and contend late for a playoff spot.

I think Matt Ryan is that good.

David Carr was good, until he got sacked 10 times a game for 5 years..

THEY HAVE NO O-LINE

Also, they lost every single "super star" they had.. Vick, Hall, Crumpler, and Dunn.. Yeah, they got a good second string RB who has the potential to be great, but he hasn't proven that he is an elite back as of yet.. Same can be said for Ryan.. Sure he was good in college, but so was Danny Wuerffel..

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints released FB Kevin Dudley yesterday.. It's sad cause he a beast, but Mike Karney is beastier.. Dudley was on our practice squad all last year.. If any team needs a good solid true full back, he'd prolly be a steal..

:(

[OssMan]

David Carr is such a good qb. I can't believe no team would make him their starting QB. His problem was that his team sucked, it's like saying a pitcher is bad because he lost 15 games

[Gonzo]

I've always thought he could play well given the chance with a decent team, but the poor guy had the unfortunate situation of being on a team where he got the shit kicked out of him year in and year out. During the Browns game the announcers had mentioned that Carr was admittedly skittish in the pocket and tried to get rid of the ball as quick as possible due to the amount of times he used to get hit. Imagine if he had the chance to start with a decent line in front of him what he might be able to do.

Thats why I've always thought that the NFL requires a little bit of luck. You need the talent, but you need the luck to fall into the right situation to succeed as well.

[Kris P Lettus]

The point I was trying to make was that Carr was good in college.. He even took Fresno State to a top 10 ranking.. He was hyped coming into the league, picked in the first round, and def had (or has) the skills to win in the NFL.. But he never got there because of the shitty team around him.. For people to say how great the Falcons are gonna be when they lost every "superstar" they've had this decade, have a new, first time, head coach, no receiving corp, no defense, and their biggest offensive weapons are a second year RB, and potentially good, yet unproven backup RB, and an unproven rookie QB, I def wouldn't grantee too many "great" things from them for the next few years..

[RP]

I'm gunna puke if Jeff Saturdays knee injury is serious. Next to Peyton, he's the most important player on our offense.

[SammyG]

Breaking news, Strahan elects to stay retired. Awesome.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Dammit :(

Ah well, Kiwi's gonna be on the line, which is good. Gotta hope Wynn or Tollefson can step in as a solid 3rd DE.

Pencil Strahan in for the HOF Class of 2013</font> :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The point I was trying to make was that Carr was good in college.. He even took Fresno State to a top 10 ranking.. He was hyped coming into the league, picked in the first round, and def had (or has) the skills to win in the NFL.. But he never got there because of the shitty team around him.. For people to say how great the Falcons are gonna be when they lost every "superstar" they've had this decade, have a new, first time, head coach, no receiving corp, no defense, and their biggest offensive weapons are a second year RB, and potentially good, yet unproven backup RB, and an unproven rookie QB, I def wouldn't grantee too many "great" things from them for the next few years..

Well you could be 100% right, David Carr and Matt Ryan after very different players. Carr played in Jeff Tedford's system which has produced some other extremely over hyped college QBs (due to their stats in college) such as Kyle Boller and Joey Harrington. Matt Ryan played in an NFL style offense and excelled in it in his first year (Boston College switched its coaching staff for his senior year)

[Kris P Lettus]

But is still unproven..

It just amazes that a team striped of any bit of credibility, with no stars left, people are picking to be great within the next year..

As I've said numerous times, sure they gained Turner, who has the potential to be good, but has never been a premiere back.. Same with Ryan.. He is a good QB, but hasn't proven himself at the pro level.. That topped with the fact they have no out standing WR, lost their probowl TE to the Titans, have a struggling o-line, and lost the only shutdown player they had on defense (Hall), I just don't see how people are crowning them as a great team with so many unporven elements, and loosing what proven elements they had..

[VonErichLives]

Well you could be 100% right, David Carr and Matt Ryan after very different players. Carr played in Jeff Tedford's system which has produced some other extremely over hyped college QBs (due to their stats in college) such as Kyle Boller and Joey Harrington. Matt Ryan played in an NFL style offense and excelled in it in his first year (Boston College switched its coaching staff for his senior year)

Bingo!

I'm not picking the Falcons to be great, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them compete for a WC or possible the division.

I'm just not 100% sold on anyone in that division and it's not just Ryan for me, it's Turner, any SD fan I've talked to thinks he can be just as good as LT, maybe even better...

sure, he could be a bust, but so could everyone...

the OL issues are a good point and I hope that will be a target next year, but Ryan is a big guy and can take a hit.

fuck... is it week 1 yet..

[Boomer]

Out with the old, in with the new for the Falcons.

Curtis Lofton looks to be a beast this year. Roddy White should do well considering he caught 1000 yards with the QBs we had last year. Sam Baker looks to contribute immediately. Jerious Norwood is ridiculous as a change-of-pace back.

There is so much to like about this Falcons team for me.

I mean, D. Hall left, what's not to like?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

But is still unproven..

It just amazes that a team striped of any bit of credibility, with no stars left, people are picking to be great within the next year..

As I've said numerous times, sure they gained Turner, who has the potential to be good, but has never been a premiere back.. Same with Ryan.. He is a good QB, but hasn't proven himself at the pro level.. That topped with the fact they have no out standing WR, lost their probowl TE to the Titans, have a struggling o-line, and lost the only shutdown player they had on defense (Hall), I just don't see how people are crowning them as a great team with so many unporven elements, and loosing what proven elements they had..
Yeah those are all good points (although Roddy White is a pretty good WR, I dunno if he's "outstanding" but he's an NFL #1 in my mind) about the Falcons. I dunno if they are gonna compete this year or next but I think they'll be a lot better than last year, last year was just a complete shitshow thanks to the whole Vick thing.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm really not going to argue my feeling that Atlanta is about a year away from crawling out of the basement. I'm just VERY high on Matt Ryan and think he is a player an entire team can be built around, they should be able to run the ball and I think they could make strides on defense. They've got some pretty good players. Like Houston just kinda quietly became a team to talk about last year, I feel like Atlanta is the team to do the same next year.

As for this year, I can see them winning a couple games that will catch people's eye but ultimately finishing last in the division probably. Who knows though.

[Kris P Lettus]

Personally, I hate Hall (specially the spitting shit) but he is a badass shutdown corner..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

David Carr played for Carolina last year when Delhomme went down and was absolutely awful. The guy can't play in the NFL, maybe he could've once upon a time but not now.

Also if Hall is so great why did Steve Smith toast him every single game they played?

[Kris P Lettus]

Every CB gets scored on now and again..

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah but he played him twice a year for however many years. Smith got him EVERY TIME.

Hall is the ultimate hype player. Mouth over substance. He'll probably look like he played real well this year but only because teams just won't throw at Asomugha.

[Kris P Lettus]

Horn and Colston used to also eat him up.. The point I was trying to make, who else on their D was of that caliber??

Keith Brooking??

Pat Kerney??

They got rid of every superstar they had..

That was the point..

[Boomer]

Getting rid of the Falcon's "superstars" made sense. Whether they were past their prime or whether we were trying to save some money, they all made sense. I love Dunn and Crumpler, but their best years both look to be behind them (Dunn for sure). D. Hall was a pain and would have commanded far too much money. The Falcons needed new faces and got them.

And its not like every superstar is gone. Michael Boley and John Abraham are still around. Brooking is too, though past his prime. Luckily, he'll be playing weak side because of Curtis Lofton, so he doesn't have to be the center of our LB core anymore.

Here's to hoping this is a breakout year for White. Turner too.

[Kris P Lettus]

Dunn is past his prime but getting rid of Crumpler was a mistake IMO..

And about Boley, if he can keep his hitting of people on the field he'll be alright.. Odell Thurman of the South..

[Boomer]

Odell Thurman did go to UGA, so I'm not sure that moniker works...but I get the idea

[Kris P Lettus]

He now plays in the north..

I like Boley cause he went to Southern, but that off the feild shit needs to go, if he's ever gonna be a premiere player..

[Boomer]

Correction...Thurman doesn't play anywhere...but I still get the idea...again.

[Kris P Lettus]

:eek:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Shawne Merriman is foregoing surgery and playing this season.

Fucking idiot.</font>

[CSL]

Yeah, seriously. When he's failing physicals with other teams @ like 28, he's gonna look back and be a sorry boy

[RP]

What a dumb human being this guy is. I hope not only that Chargers lose, but that his career is ended for being some fucking dumb. What a moron. I love the Chargers organization letting him do this too. No one has stepped in and said " listen, you arent playing. You need to get the surgery ". I mean they only have multi millions invested in his career right? I cant wait until this ends badly and then 5 years from now we get a Real Sports interview with Merriman as he coaches high school football for a living.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I wish Norv Turner had balls enough and would be like "Shut up, you're not playing. Sit down, bitch.".

Retarded. Seriously.

[Gonzo]

Its his own career. So be it.

[VonErichLives]

I wish Norv Turner had balls enough and would be like "Shut up, you're not playing. Sit down, bitch.".

Retarded. Seriously.

Norv was a couple of plays away from a super bowl... think he cares if Merriman ends his career if he gets through this year at 1/2 and 3/4 of what he normally is?

Must admit, if someone pancakes him and he blows out the knee and has to be carted off, it would be a bad time for the OL to do a "lights out" dance.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

What a dumb human being this guy is. I hope not only that Chargers lose, but that his career is ended for being some fucking dumb. What a moron. I love the Chargers organization letting him do this too. No one has stepped in and said " listen, you arent playing. You need to get the surgery ". I mean they only have multi millions invested in his career right? I cant wait until this ends badly and then 5 years from now we get a Real Sports interview with Merriman as he coaches high school football for a living.

He's only signed through next season. They just gave his backup a 4 year extension though.

[RP]

Jeff Saturday is gone for 6 to 11 weeks and possibly the season. Fuck my white smelly ass. This is horrible. This is arguably the biggest loss in the NFL. Polian looks like a genius now cause he drafted 3 Centers in the draft.

[Gonzo]

lol rp

[Ninti the Mad]

Pacman

[#1-norm-fan]

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

ADAM JONES REINSTATED!!!!!!!!!! I HEART YOU ROGER GOODELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gonzo]

C'mon that was coming. After all this time. If Goodell didn't do it by now he is just an unforgiving bastard.

[OssMan]

lol, the Cowboys signing Adam Pacman Jones is such a Cowboys move. Like the most predictable thing ever. There is no way for him to be on the Cowboys without something hilarious happening.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. "Such a Cowboys move"

:roll:

[OssMan]

Yeah and winning the Superbowl is a Giants move

[Ninti the Mad]

the boys

[Ninti the Mad]

New year.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah and winning the Superbowl is a Giants move

Winning 5 is Dallas'

.... Your point?

[Kris P Lettus]

As is "not winning a single playoff game in over a decade"..

[Ninti the Mad]

New year.

[#1-norm-fan]

As is "not winning a single playoff game in over a decade"..

Are we really gonna do this? lol. You especially?

As is actually making the playoffs last year...

As is NOT being one of the 5 most historically bad franchises of all time

As is actually having AT LEAST one Super Bowl ring...

Please.

[Kris P Lettus]

What's good about going to the playoffs if you don't win??

Explain that to me..

[#1-norm-fan]

What's good about winning a playoff game if you don't win a Super Bowl?

[Kris P Lettus]

Hey, I can live in the past too..

http://www.stlallsports.com/pics/tony_romo_crying_after_fumble.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

I've lost this arguement, therefore I will post a picture following a Cowboys playoff loss to ignore the fact that Dallas is a storied franchise while New Orleans has never won anything and is known for being the laughing stock of the league.

[#1-norm-fan]

Since we're posting picture though...

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper736/stills/9077742q.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

While, changing quotes is quite the effective method of arguing via the internet, the simple fact is, the Saints have had more success in the past decade than the Cowboys.. Even blowing them the fuck out during our last meeting, where Mike "the Bulldozer" Karney scored 4 TD's.. All this with years of Arron Brooks and Ricky Williams, etc.. So, live in the past all you want, just remember this when Brokeback Romo fucks up another playoff game for you..

[Kris P Lettus]

Atleast we've made it past the wildcard game in the past 10 years..

• Jan. 6, 2007 - NFC Wild Card - Seattle 21, Dallas 20
• Jan. 3, 2004 - NFC Wild Card - Carolina 29, Dallas 10
• Jan. 9, 2000 - NFC Wild Card - Minnesota 27, Dallas 10
• Jan. 2, 1999 - NFC Wild Card - Arizona 20, Dallas 7

[#1-norm-fan]

the Saints have had more success in the past decade than the Cowboys... live in the past all you want...

The irony pretty much makes my argument all by itself here. :lol:

[Gonzo]

I echo Assman's sentiments, let I remind you all that the Giants are defending Superbowl champions. Game. Set. Match.

[#1-norm-fan]

Atleast we've made it past the wildcard game in the past 10 years..

• Jan. 6, 2007 - NFC Wild Card - Seattle 21, Dallas 20
• Jan. 3, 2004 - NFC Wild Card - Carolina 29, Dallas 10
• Jan. 9, 2000 - NFC Wild Card - Minnesota 27, Dallas 10
• Jan. 2, 1999 - NFC Wild Card - Arizona 20, Dallas 7

Because we all know every team strives to make it to win one playoff game.

I like you're theories.

"I'll argue 'What's the point of making it to the playoffs if you don't win' but I'll ignore 'What's the point of winning a playoff game is you don't even win a conference championship'"

And my favorite "I'll argue 'living in the past' but then, more recently my team missed the playoffs while his didn't, so I don't wanna live in the present either... I just wanna live in that one small piece of time where my team was seemingly better and act like, for some reason, THAT is the time period that matters above all else."

[SammyG]

Now you know what it's like losing your best players to injury, RP.

[RP]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/391713488_60807cd1f9.jpg?v=0

:'(

Why? WHY????????????

[#1-norm-fan]

lol. Offensive linemen always look hilarious out of uniform...

[Gonzo]

shut the fuckkkkk upppp everyone

[RP]

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[SammyG]

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/77648745.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193E1B8CBC9EE11803D2DD8595D2CAB9C86284831B75F48EF45

[#1-norm-fan]

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/fat_fb_player.jpg

[Gonzo]

lol def photoshopped

[Kris P Lettus]

Still no Shockey tonight.. I guess that's ok cause Brees isn't playing but I'm ready to see him in action..

[Ninti the Mad]

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[Ninti the Mad]

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[#1-norm-fan]

Watching that, I'm still upset Witten didn't score on that play without his helmet. Would have been one of the great TDs of all time.

[#1-norm-fan]

My favorite play of the season though....

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[RP]

My favorite play of the season

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:lol: @ Madden and Michael replaying it over and over again

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well, Chad Johnson is now officially Chad Ocho Cinco</font> :lol:

[ClockShot]

Brandon Marshall wins his appeal. Gets his 3 game suspension cut to 1.