MLB 2009 Season Thread

[Hanso Amore]

Red Sox offer 3 players including Buckholz for Halladay

Fuck, here comes the cold sweat

Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.

Agreed

We dont need someone to start the game, we need someone to get us tio MO

[Hanso Amore]

No, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that Boston would need to give up something of that level in order to pick up Halladay. We don't need Halladay I was just trying to point out that Boston's offer wouldn't be enough. But, we don't need Downs or Qualls . Get me a reliable fifth starter first.

With Wang done for the season we need someone like Washburn or something to even out the rotation.

Petitte

Joba/Hughes

CC

Burnett

Mitre

I don't think is good enough. We need someone a bit more reliable then Mitre if we want to go all the way.

Mitre is a fine number 5 to make the playoffs with, and once we do, he goes to the Pen.

Burnett, CC, Pettite and Joba is a solid 4 man rotation

[ClockShot]

Pirates and Mariners pull off a big 7-player deal.

Jack Wilson and Ian Snell go to Seattle for Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Jeff Clement, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock. Pirates are also sending over some cash.

[Hanso Amore]

Good trade for the Mariners to make a run

[Heros Welcome]

Phils land Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco. They deal Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Crap. Phils were already way ahead in the division...I think getting Lee might seal it. What I wouldn't pay to see them pull a collapse of Mets proportions.

Good thing the wild card is still wide open.</font>

[McLegend]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[McLegend]

Mind you Cliff Lee is good, but hes no Roy Halladay.

[Loose Cannon]

wow, huge pickup for Philly.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Oh god does this mean Halladay signs with the Red Sox? I was so looking forward to Philly taking him.

[Heros Welcome]

Well looks like the Sox are pushing to land Victor Martinez now. So if thats the case I think Halladay is staying put.

[Loose Cannon]

Pirates and Mariners pull off a big 7-player deal.

Jack Wilson and Ian Snell go to Seattle for Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Jeff Clement, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock. Pirates are also sending over some season passes for the 2010 season

[The Pope]

i think the pirates front office was also in the trade.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow, just days after Jeff Wilpon said Omar was going to remain the GM...he told one reporter that he's actually "this" close to being out of baseball while holding his thumb and index finger one a half-inch apart.

My guess is that if the Mets make a miracle run and get into the playoffs, he stays...otherwise, they can him and go in another direction.</font>

[The Pope]

Phillies aqcuire Cliff Lee for prospects
Confirmed.

[Hanso Amore]

They land Francisco in the trade too, who is a Really hot outfielder and young.

[Triple Naitch]

Phils get the reigning Cy Young winner without giving up either of their top 2 prospects. I say it's a damn good deal.

[parkmania]

i think the pirates front office was also in the trade.

If only we could be so lucky... :nono:

[Triple Naitch]

Wow, the Giants are trading their top pick from last year, Tim Alderson, for Freddy "Dirty" Sanchez.

[parkmania]

Man, now the Pirates have NO drawing power AGAIN!

At least it was fun to go see decent players like Jumpin' Jack and Clubby, but now there's really only the park to go see, and I've been there enough.

:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

I'm sick and fucking tired of "building for the future." How about instead of worrying about the farm system, we try making the PIRATES good.

[YOUR Hero]

Phils get the reigning Cy Young winner without giving up either of their top 2 prospects. I say it's a damn good deal.

Cliff Lee had one great year. Before that, nothing. Even this year he's been subpar. Guy was demoted to the minors in 2007. (i think it was 07)

Lee does not = Halladay. Thank the Lord Halladay is still a Jay (for now :'( )

[ClockShot]

Yankees aquire Jason Hirsh from the Rockies. No idea who we sent to the Rockies at the moment.

We also release Brett Tomko.

[Triple Naitch]

More than just one good year. He won 18 games in 2005. He had a strained abdomen in '07 which caused him to fall off.

[Triple Naitch]

Not to mention he has a 3.14 era for an awful team this year.

[YOUR Hero]

Actually yeah, I looked up a bit of him after that post and he done a few better things than I recalled.

[OssMan]

How would the team you are playing for affect your ERA

[Triple Naitch]

I have an explanation for this.

[Triple Naitch]

If your team is not hitting, then you are spending less time on the bench resting between innings. Your recovery time is delayed, causing you to go back out to throw when you are not ready.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox 3.5 back now, wonder if they gonna pull the trigger on Halladay? I just can't see the Jays trading him within the division even for the "right price"

[YOUR Hero]

Trade Halladay AND Wells. Get back Ellsbury, Pedroia, Bucholz, 90 prospects and a billion dollars.

[Droford]

BALTIMORE (AP)—The Kansas City Royals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/kan/;_ylt=Au3ry2XCsrtJyrzM3LJTGsa4u7YF) played an entire game without an assist, a rarity in the big leagues.
Far more commonplace is Royals ace Zach Greinke pitching well and not having a win to show for it, which is exactly what occurred for the fifth time this month in Baltimore’s 7-3 victory Wednesday night.
The last team to go a game without an assist was Tampa Bay on May 17, 2003, also in a loss—eight innings in the field—to Baltimore, according to STATS LLC. Only five teams in major league history have done it for at least nine innings in the field.
The Orioles hit only two grounders, both of which were handled by first baseman Billy Butler (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7634/;_ylt=AnruuSexAvcMqjJM0r6VT1e4u7YF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7634/news;_ylt=Av9UeQLugflGfQA_VC0BrHG4u7YF) before he touched the bag himself.


The sad thing is I didnt even notice that such a rare event happened, as it was a terribly boring game.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Who keeps track of this shit? Wow? And how do you get a job there?........

[Nervous Ferret]

rofl

[SammyG]

Jesus fucking Christ, 4 game losing streak.

[SammyG]

We can never beat the fucking Cardinals.

[OssMan]

If your team is not hitting, then you are spending less time on the bench resting between innings. Your recovery time is delayed, causing you to go back out to throw when you are not ready.
And if your team is hitting a lot, then you are spending too much time on the bench and have to find ways to stay loose. Sorry, I don't think they have anything to do with each other

[RP]

I cant believe the Phillies got Lee without giving any of there top prospects. If they really want to go for the killshot, do the deal with Toronto for Drebek and a few other good ones. They wont be beat.

One things for sure. If the Red Sox step in and steal Halladay, no one is beating them this year. Not with Beckett and Halladay opening games 1 and 2. Then totally getting mindfucked by a Wakefield start after facing those guys.

And you know the Sox are trying to swing a deal.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Red Sox 3.5 back now, wonder if they gonna pull the trigger on Halladay? I just can't see the Jays trading him within the division even for the "right price"

I wouldn't if I were you. Pitching doesn't really seem to be your problem. The Red Sox pitching is kinda like the Yankees pitching it's got some problems, but it's not the reason for this. Your problem is offense. So Instead of Halladay you should try to consider getting V-Mart or Adrian Gonzales instead. They are really gonna help you more if you ask me, because pitching is not the Red Sox problem.

[Triple Naitch]

Pitching has been a problem for the Sox. Penny and Smoltz have been awful. Wakefield is hurt, Dice-K is hurt and being a whiny bitch. Beckett and Lester have been the only consistent pitchers.

Still, though, I'd rather them use the prospects to get Gonzalez or Martinez due to them being able to control them for a longer period of time than Halladay.

[Hanso Amore]

How would the team you are playing for affect your ERA

If your Outfield is 3 slow old fuckers, they dont get to as many balls, therefore more hits and runs.

Now if your team has 3 gold glovers out there, you are going to give up far less runs. Its a Sabremetric stat. its legit.

[Triple Naitch]

Yeah, that too.

[The Pope]

Somone take Jon Garland of of us please.

[Jeritron]

We can never beat the fucking Cardinals.

Good luck beating them or the Phillies in the playoffs

[The Pope]

Dodgers need Halladay i hope they don't get him.
Phillies will repeat unless one of their starters goes down

[Jeritron]

Pitching has been a problem for the Sox. Penny and Smoltz have been awful. Wakefield is hurt, Dice-K is hurt and being a whiny bitch. Beckett and Lester have been the only consistent pitchers.

Still, though, I'd rather them use the prospects to get Gonzalez or Martinez due to them being able to control them for a longer period of time than Halladay.

Pitching really wasn't a problem a week ago though. The staff has been good, and deep. Up until this week many considered it the best staff in baseball.

I agree that it's shaky right now though. Everything has been a problem in the past 2 weeks.
Red Sox need a kick in the ass right now, because they're a better team than this.

The next 2 weeks are huge. Series against the Yanks, Rays, and Rangers, who are all compettitors for a playoff berth.
Series with the Tigers too, which isn't a playoff rival but a damn good team.

[Jeritron]

Dodgers need Halladay i hope they don't get him.
Phillies will repeat unless one of their starters goes down

I disagree. I think they'll make the NLCS. I think the Cardinals have a shot at beating the Phillies. They might be a better team.

Either way, I don't think the Phillies will repeat since I don't see them beating the AL Champions again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are the latest two names to test positive in 2003. Just release the fucking list already.</font>

[McLegend]

That's fantastic.

[Jeritron]

...

[Innovator]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[The Miz]

Are you trying to tell me that David "Big Clutchi" Ortiz is/was a steroid user? NO WAY.

[The Miz]

;)

[Jeritron]

It upsets me a lot, but I find it funny that the yankees fans would have shit to say considering the heart of their lineup was Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield and their ace was Roger Clemens

[Innovator]

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[Innovator]

It upsets me a lot, but I find it funny that the yankees fans would have shit to say considering the heart of their lineup was Jason Giambi, Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield and their ace was Roger Clemens
Yeah but it knocks the all mighty Red Sox down a couple pegs

[Jeritron]

Well, I'm not gonna get in an argument about Sox vs Yanks with you. It just saddens me, and not just as a Red Sox fan but as a baseball fan.
I even admitted as much when A Rod's name came out. It's just sad for the game. I wouldn't expect Yankees fans to be that reasonable though. They're loudmouths who don't even like the game that much (not directed at you Inno)

[Innovator]

Every team has those fans, not just Yankee fans. Hell, Mets fans are worse.

Torii Hunter didn't know? REALLY?

[Innovator]

Since Red Sox fans gave A-Rod the steroid chant, I hope Ortiz receives nothing less next week

[Loose Cannon]

wow.

[Loose Cannon]

Tori Hunter? What are you referring to Inno? was his name on the list too?

[Jeritron]

Since Red Sox fans gave A-Rod the steroid chant, I hope Ortiz receives nothing less next week

Fair enough

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mike Piazza, Ken Griffey Jr., and Albert Pujols are the only 3 guys I have left. Really hope none of them juiced.</font> :(

[Jeritron]

He'll probably say the same thing as A Rod did. "I stopped taking them in 2003 once the testing came out" or whatever.
Like A Rod, he may even be telling the truth. I hope so. It just sucks because once your name is tainted the cloud of suspicion will always be there.


In Manny's case, he's now a double offender. He tested positive in 03 and again this year.
None of this is any good for anyone's reputation, but I would say he doesn't really have a leg to stand on now. Such a great hitter too. He was a first ballot hall of famer no doubt.

This is all just a shame. The only real consolation to any fan who feels upset about their team/players being linked is that a high percentage of players on all teams were involved. Not an excuse, but a sad state of affairs.

What I think sucks most about all this steroid stuff (which seems like it will never end) is that it's the fans who pay. The players do the crime, and they get exposed in the media, but they keep their big contracts and their awards and they mostly don't care.
It's the fans who get punished.

[Hanso Amore]

YES! Fuck Big Papi. I knew it. No way do you go from a scrub DH with the Twins to the most feared hitter in baseball. Fuck the Sox. All the shit we get for Arod and Giambi...now its your turn

[Loose Cannon]

god, can you imagine being one of these guys who has juiced, but nobody knows and just sitting there waiting to see if your name gets released. It's got to be eating people up inside. Like Ortiz before his name got released today

[Jeritron]

<font color=goldenrod>Mike Piazza, Ken Griffey Jr., and Albert Pujols are the only 3 guys I have left. Really hope none of them juiced.</font> :(

I maintained their innocence. But I also maintained a lot of guys innocence and that shit hit the fan.
I never thought Manny did. Despite my dislike for Arod as a player, I always considered him clean and a saving grace for the home run record.

I would really like to believe Piazza, Griffey and Pujols are clean. For the good of baseball I hope they are. If they weren't the shit will probably hit the fan soon.
I just can't help but doubt everyone now. Even Cal Ripken isn't off limits anymore. I think that would be a huge death blow to the integrity of baseball and the fans.


This all sucks and won't go away. It's not going to anytime soon either. That list has more big names on it.
It has to. If Manny and Ortiz were the last "big news" to come off that list, they'd just release the whole thing.
It's more than just mid-level players on that list. The fact that it's still being divulged one or two at a time shows that there are more "gems" on it.

It will disgust me, but I have a feeling Pujols might be down the line.

[Hanso Amore]

At least the Yanks didnt win any Steriod driven rings....god I hate the Red Sox. Now if only some mets come out as roiders, so they can shut the fuck up too

[Splaya]

Maybe thats why he played so shitty earlier in the year. I mean think about it from a psychological stand point. A-rod's name gets released in that report, and Manny gets busted, so Papi has to be worried that his name will come out eventually. Eventually he just says Fuck it and just starts playing again.

Not saying that's the reason for his slump early on, but it could be a factor. Remember there was all that talk that the list would be released and then in early June, it was dropped. No one talked about "The List" until now

[Splaya]

I maintained their innocence. But I also maintained a lot of guys innocence and that shit hit the fan.
I never thought Manny did. Despite my dislike for Arod as a player, I always considered him clean and a saving grace for the home run record.

I would really like to believe Piazza, Griffey and Pujols are clean. For the good of baseball I hope they are. If they weren't the shit will probably hit the fan soon.
I just can't help but doubt everyone now. Even Cal Ripken isn't off limits anymore. I think that would be a huge death blow to the integrity of baseball and the fans.


This all sucks and won't go away. It's not going to anytime soon either. That list has more big names on it.
It has to. If Manny and Ortiz were the last "big news" to come off that list, they'd just release the whole thing.
It's more than just mid-level players on that list. The fact that it's still being divulged one or two at a time shows that there are more "gems" on it.

It will disgust me, but I have a feeling Pujols might be down the line.

If Pujols is on the list, the home run record is tarnished forever. Ever since A-rod's report came out, I've believed that Pujols is the last remaining person to get there legit

[Hanso Amore]

And why is Pete Rose still banned?

[Splaya]

It's an interesting topic. Rose is banned for something that happened a long time ago for cheating the game and making money. Players who roid cheat the game and still make money. It would be very harsh, but a lifetime ban for players who roid

[Jeritron]

At least the Yanks didnt win any Steriod driven rings....god I hate the Red Sox. Now if only some mets come out as roiders, so they can shut the fuck up too

You did, but I'm not going to get into this. Are you implying that steroid use wasn't rampant in 1998, 1999, and 2000? That's when it was at it's peak.
All of the teams in the majors had juicing players, and you can't fault the team for the actions of individuals.

The actions of players really only tarnishes individual stats and accomplishments, or the sport as a whole.
You can't pick and choose what rings and wins count seeing as players from both sides were using steroids. That includes pitchers.

We can boo A Rod and Ortiz and assault their character all we want. That's fair as fans. But I've never once heard fans start going after teams as a whole, which is ridiculous.
If you're going to do that, you have to apply it to the entire steroid era. That goes back to the early 90s.

[Triple Naitch]

At least the Yanks didnt win any Steriod driven rings....god I hate the Red Sox. Now if only some mets come out as roiders, so they can shut the fuck up too

http://blooblud.nyfsblogs.com/files/2007/12/clemens_hurls_bat_at_piazza.jpg

The Mets had Kirk Radomski, though.

[Jeritron]

Honestly Hanso, that was retarded but I'd rather not get into a Sox vs Yankees argument here.

There were roiders on all of the world series winning Yankees teams since 96, just as there were on every world series winning team since the problem began. Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox, Marlins, Diamonbacks...take your pick.

[Loose Cannon]

I would love to hear Schilling's comments on all this. He's got a pretty stern stance on the guys who have been caught. It would be very interesting to see what he has to say

[Triple Naitch]

I'm disappointed to see that Ortiz was on the list, but honestly I am numb to the steroid scandal. I have accepted that they have been a part of the game for a very long time. The only thing that would absolutely shock me would be if Ripken, Griffey, and Gwynn admitted to using.

[Jeritron]

I agree LC. I want to hear what Schilling says too

LC, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Hanso's claims about the Yankees never winning a steroid tainted World Series ring, or the overall notion that the witch-hunt should extend into teams as a whole and whether world series wins "count" or not.

Do you agree with him as a bitter yankees fan? Or do you agree that it should stay to the invidual since members of all teams were involved?

[Splaya]

I'm disappointed to see that Ortiz was on the list, but honestly I am numb to the steroid scandal. I have accepted that they have been a part of the game for a very long time. The only thing that would absolutely shock me would be if Ripken, Griffey, and Gwynn admitted to using.

Who's a bigger candidate for a bigger shocker: Pujols or Ripken or Griffey?

[Jeritron]

I think the level of shock would go Ripken, Griffey, Pujols. Ripken would be the most shocking, and Pujols the least.

[Loose Cannon]

I agree LC. I want to hear what Schilling says too

LC, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Hanso's claims about the Yankees never winning a steroid tainted World Series ring, or the overall notion that the witch-hunt should extend into teams as a whole and whether world series wins "count" or not.

Do you agree with him as a bitter yankees fan? Or do you agree that it should stay to the invidual since members of all teams were involved?

nah, steroids have been there forever in my opinion, so I know the Yankees had players juicing when they won

I'm not that kind of Yankee fan that just likes to say shit about Boston all the time. I am a baseball fan. I mean, I don't like the Sox, but I kind of got out of the whole "Yankees Rule, Sox suck" phase

[Nervous Ferret]

lol @ The Miz from nowhere

This doesn't surprise me and is 'sad' from a 'baseball fan' point of view, but still lol@ Ortiz

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mets have held the Rockies scoreless in their last 22 innings, and are now on a 5-game winning streak after this afternoon's game. Johan</font> :love:

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I had a feeling he was juicing. Ever since David Ortiz said in that interview that everyone taking steroids should be banned from baseball for a year. When I heard that it made me real suspicious.

[DaveBrawl]

Hate the Mets.

[Splaya]

George Sherill is traded to the Dodgers.


Thank you Baltimore for killing more of my fantasy team

[ClockShot]

Manny and Big Papi popped positive, oh the irony. Remember when the Mitchell Report got released, and every team had somebody on the report, but Boston came out of it unscathed?

Karma's a bitch.

[Emperor Smeat]

At least the Yanks didnt win any Steriod driven rings....god I hate the Red Sox. Now if only some mets come out as roiders, so they can shut the fuck up too

I think its the 2000 title vs the Mets that is the one people believe is tainted due to how many roiders Yankees had on the team or were part of it during that year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Are you trying to tell me that David "Big Clutchi" Ortiz is/was a steroid user? NO WAY.
ROFL dude comes outta the woodwork to post this?

He's no Jay Buhner, that's for sure

Can't believe people are surprised by this though, since the whole steroid era thing has been brought to light you are really surprised to see a slugger get caught? At least Ortiz was smart enough to get off the stuff (I'm assuming) unlike Manny. They should just release all the names at this point, otherwise just when people start to forget about it one or two names will trickle out then it will be the end of the baseball world all over again!!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I would love to hear Schilling's comments on all this. He's got a pretty stern stance on the guys who have been caught. It would be very interesting to see what he has to sayWhen it comes out I'm sure he will sound like an asshole. Schilling is a huge dickhead with a very strong opinion about everything and anything. Fitting he backed a Republican Presidential candidate :shifty:

[Jeritron]

You can't just look at the championships either. You have to look at the teams defeated. It's not as though the teams the Red Sox, Yankees, or any other championship team from the era BEAT didn't have steroid users. Please. You can't just ignore the whole epidemic and focus on 2 guys, regardless of what they did.

So is it better to have lost while having steroid users than win? Are they any more guilty because they beat other tainted teams?
It's hard to look at it so black and white.

There's also different levels of performance enhancers. Don't know what the full story is. I'm not making excuses. His name is now tainted and it sucks, but I'm not entirely convinced that he was using them on the level of a Bonds or McGwire, nor am I convinced that he was using them from 2004 onward.
I'm not saying he didn't. Due to the boy who cried wolf factor you have to say he probably was, but there is also such thing as isolated incidents and mistakes.

Rationally thinking, I find it hard to believe that anyone would use steroids from 2004 onward. 2003 was when the whole steroid blew up, and any reasonable human being who was using them, or something close to it, would stop. That's why I'm inclined to believe Ortiz and even A Rod when they say they've been clean since then. Doesn't absolve them of what they did, but I guess I give the benefit of the doubt that they have a shred of common sense. Even a moron would know not to continue.

But there are some stupid people....

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

While I'll admit before this whole steroid era was brought to light I kinda gave guys the benefit of the doubt but did anyone really think Trot Nixon wasn't on the sauce during his run with the Red Sox? It was pretty fucking obvious

[Jeritron]

Also, this will be hot potato between markets. Boston's on the hot seat today, but the buck will pass.
There's no way this list's biggest names are out yet. They're being released systematically, with curious timing. Whoever's doing it is an evil genius. If there were no more "draws" on that list, it would just be released. Publications aren't going to pay big bucks for mid-level players breaking news.
The biggest tricks on the list are yet to be revealed. You have to imagine there are names on there squirreled away for a rainy day in the media.

It's just common sense. There will be more heartbreakers on that list, and if they're being saved for last they must be pretty crushing.

So to the Yanks fans who are having their day, don't be suprised when Derek Jeter has his day on the hotseat.
I'm not saying he's on the list. I hope to god he's not. I have some respect for the sport. I would be just as upset about Jeter on the list as I feel most Yankee fans who aren't base and jealous should feel about Ortiz.
But he'll probably be the final reveal....and Pujols.

[Jeritron]

Canseco came out today and said he wasn't suprised. That's not very shocking since he buzzes around this pile of shit like a fly.
But he does have the "I told you so" factor on his side. He has been right about everything thus far. He's an asshole, but an honest asshole.
I bet Baseball's wishing they never blackballed him and pissed him off the way they did. He really has gotten his revenge.


Interestingly enough, he threw out another vague remark to cast more suspicion and accusation...he says that someone who's already in the HoF was a user, but didn't name a name.
I believe him, because he seems to tell the truth and know what he's talking about on the subject. But who?

[Emperor Smeat]

Also, this will be hot potato between markets. Boston's on the hot seat today, but the buck will pass.
There's no way this list's biggest names are out yet. They're being released systematically, with curious timing. Whoever's doing it is an evil genius. If there were no more "draws" on that list, it would just be released. Publications aren't going to pay big bucks for mid-level players breaking news.
The biggest tricks on the list are yet to be revealed. You have to imagine there are names on there squirreled away for a rainy day in the media.


Guarantee you this is how it will exactly be occurring especially with rival teams since nobody likes to be shown up by a rival's team or fans. So unless MLB just ends this mess and publishes the list, its going to be one of those "Roid Team of the Month" news.

The way the names are being released, the last set of names defiantly will be the mega names (like a Jeter or Pujols quality player).

[Splaya]

If I had to guess it would either be Ripken, Gwynn or Rickey Henderson.


And in a shocker, I'll go with Ripken

[Droford]

I think the level of shock would go Ripken, Griffey, Pujols. Ripken would be the most shocking, and Pujols the least.

Ripken never got tested (he left before the tests started) so hopefully if he did use steroids he keeps his trap shut about it, because that would be devastating.

Griffey wouldnt be shocking at all given the amount of injuries in the later part of his career when presumably he would have been off them.

[Jeritron]

If I had to guess it would either be Ripken, Gwynn or Rickey Henderson.


And in a shocker, I'll go with Ripken

It's probably Rickey Henderson. I kind of thought that anyways.

It could be Ripken though. At this point I wouldn't be suprised about anyone.
For a time, it seemed like it was an obvious thing. McGwire, Sosa and Bonds look like the take roids. It was really no suprise.

After players like ARod and Manny, who weren't giant genetic freaks turned up dirty, I began to realize that just about anyone was game.
Now, with an Ortiz type implicated, I've pretty much conceeded any shock in the future.

As I said, there are several names that will sadden/disgust me if they turn up, but none will suprise me now.

[Splaya]

I just think Ripken's shock value will hurt baseball even more

[Jeritron]

It would be terrible, but at this point I wouldn't be 100% shocked. Maybe last year I would have.

I'm split on how I feel about these things coming. I hate the stories coming out because it dissapoints me, but at the same time I want every name that's tainted to come out.
I'm upset with the fact that it happened, and it pains me to hear, but what's done is done and I want to see the rest of that list, and hear whatever information people may have about the 90s.

The only thing worse than these stories coming out is the thought of guys getting by unscathed while others get punishment. That's no fair. Especially if they're getting credit and exemption for being a "class act" type.
It's also awful to think that some guys who were constant and severe users can escape the shitstorm, while someone who dabbled once or made a mistake takes the blame.

[Innovator]

Ripken, Jeter, and Griffey Jr. Those 3 would hurt

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pujols would be the worst, he's on track to becoming one of the greatest baseball players ever.

No offense to Griffey, I thought he was the man growing up but let's get serious - he's fallen off big time.

[Jeritron]

It's called aging. He's like 40 years old. Who cares if he's fallen off? He had 10+ dominant years and has over 600 hrs.
Willie Mays fell off bigtime too. U serious?

[Emperor Smeat]

Ripken, Jeter, and Griffey Jr. Those 3 would hurt

Can't forget about quality pitchers like a Maddux or Halladay since pitchers almost match the number of hitters and everyday players that were busted so far.
Out of those 3, Griffey Jr would upset me the most since he problem was my favorite player and hated how once he got hurt with the Reds, his career and home run chase became a "What If".

[Jeritron]

P.S., Griffey was on a better pace than Pujols is. Pace and accomplishment are two different things

[Innovator]

No offense to Griffey, I thought he was the man growing up but let's get serious - he's fallen off big time.
The Sports Guy said it best. It's refreshing to see a guy go out of the game the old fashioned way, by clinging onto a job.

[Jeritron]

Like Willie Mays final days with the Mets? That was a bigger fall off than Griffey's ever seen. He's considered the greatest baseball player of alltime.
Just don't get how someones later years and injuries reflect on their existing accomplishments.

Who cares if Pujols might hit 600 hrs? Griffey HAS hit 600 hrs, and was every bit as epic in his prime (which lasted longer than Pujols has thus far)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I get you are a Griffney fan, not saying it wouldn't be bad if he got caught - just saying Pujols would be the worst right now. He's currently on pace, not 10 years ago, to being one of the greatest of all time. Him getting caught right now would be a huge blow to baseball then if you compile that with A-Rod getting caught - it'd be pretty bad.

And Griffey wasn't on a better pace than Pujols is right now, but alright. Pujols has never hit below .314 in any of his seasons, come on

[Innovator]

I'd be more skeptic of a 39/40 year old hitting .280 with 35 HRs than a guy whose body is breaking down

[Jeritron]

I get you are a Griffney fan, not saying it wouldn't be bad if he got caught - just saying Pujols would be the worst right now. He's currently on pace, not 10 years ago, to being one of the greatest of all time. Him getting caught right now would be a huge blow to baseball then if you compile that with A-Rod getting caught - it'd be pretty bad.

And Griffey wasn't on a better pace than Pujols is right now, but alright. Pujols has never hit below .314 in any of his seasons, come on


It's not really about me being a Griffey fan though. It's about what he was as a player. The notion that he was hot for a while but had a dropoff just seemed irrelevant since everyone has a dropoff and that doesn't change existing stats.


I agree with you that Pujols would be worse for baseball right now though. Only because he's currently playing though.
I was simply defending what Griffey has actually done. It would be equally or more devestating to actual baseball fans since existing quality is tarnished, rather than potential.

Also, Griffey was on a better pace than Pujols is right now. Check out their home run production and age.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Check out their homerun production and get back to you? Are we talking about who is the better player or homerun hitter?

If you compare the stats, Pujols first 8 seasons in the majors have been pretty incredible and outside of homeruns, he has Griffey beat in just about every category (including slugging percentage).

[Jeritron]

Albert Pujols is currently 29 years old. He has 353 home runs.

At 29 years old Ken Griffey Jr. had 400.

He was actually a little younger at that point than Pujols is now, but that's only a few months so it doesn't matter.

His dropoff came as a combination of age, and injury. Pujols is prone to those same things. He may or may not slow, but regardless of what we think will happen in the future, there's no denying that at the same point in their careers Griffey was on a better pace than Pujols.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I get it he has more homeruns but does that make him a better player? That's the only thing you keep referencing so I feel like we are talking about 2 different things.

[Jeritron]

Well when discussing the steroids issue I assumed we were talking about power numbers here. I think the biggest blow about Pujols would be that people consider him a pure alternative to Bonds and A Rod

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm saying Pujols getting caught would be awful because he's on track to becoming one of the greatest baseball players ever - not homerun hitter.

[Jeritron]

I get it he has more homeruns but does that make him a better player? That's the only thing you keep referencing so I feel like we are talking about 2 different things.

It doesn't. I was talking about home runs but I thought that was what was at stake here.

As a player, I think Griffey in his prime is comparable. There's more of an argument to be had. In that case, I don't think you're wrong but I don't think I am either. Here's why:

Griffey was never as big of a threat for average, but he was no slouch. He was a .300+ hitter in his prime years, and a HR and RBI machine just like Pujols.
He was just as dominating and revered among all baseball fans, and was considered to be on track to be one of the best to ever play the game in all aspects.
Griffey was a better "all around player." He didn't pose the triple crown threat that Pujols did, but he was equal or greater to him in power categories and a far bigger threat on the basepath and in the field.

[Jeritron]

Griffey basically entered Willie Mays territory. Pujols is more comparable to a Mickey Mantle, or Carl Yazstrsemski.

So I guess it's a debate of what means more.

[Jeritron]

Aren't there questions to whether or not Pujols is actually 29 years old?

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd be more skeptic of a 39/40 year old hitting .280 with 35 HRs than a guy whose body is breaking down

I think this is how much a surprise most of the names released are becoming in baseball. While majority of fans become suspicious of older players doing well because in the past that was not as common, it makes younger or less big name players able to be off the steroid spotlight. It sort of explains why people would question why a no-name or average player would do steroids if it gave them no big result since they were not part of the whole debate of "legit or roider" that bigger name players get.

[Jeritron]

It's a shame that you can't improve as a baseball player anymore. If you play on an average level for years and then enter a new prime where you put up above average numbers, you'll be accused and suspected of steroid use, even if you're clean.
That's a shame.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pujols is a machine - I honestly didn't even realize how good he really was until I just compared Griff and Pujols stats to make sure my stance was correct. After reviewing the stats, I def think my stance was correct. One thing that stood out was that Griffey's best OPS would be Pujols' 2nd worst of his career - that's fucking ridiculous. Pujols slugging percentage has also been a lot better when you compare the prime vs prime. Griffey does have him in the field though, with long streak of GGs, honestly dunno about the basepaths though. Neither is really a huge threat to steal but I guess you could argue Griffey is faster - however Pujols has lead the league in total bases a ton of times so I dunno.

I knew Pujols was good (obviously I said he was on track to becoming one of the best ever) but his stats are crazy. I didn't realize his shit was THIS good

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml

But yeah Pujols could be like 35 right now though, you never know lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's a shame that you can't improve as a baseball player anymore. If you play on an average level for years and then enter a new prime where you put up above average numbers, you'll be accused and suspected of steroid use, even if you're clean.
That's a shame.
It's really not a shame, if the player's union wasn't trying to protect steroid uses these guys could piss in a cup anytime they wanted.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"I'd like to thank George Mitchell one last time for doing his best to keep our boys out of this PED mess. You tried, George. You tried." - Bill Simmons, lol

[The Pope]

If Albert Pujols isn't on that list man, he's gonna be my favorite player. (LEGEND)

[Loose Cannon]

In referance to Griffey, his injuries really took a toll on how fans percieve him today. He was like the Grant Hill of baseball for a while. It's almost like you tend to forget how dominant he was in his younger days because of all the missed time

[RP]

Nice to know the Red Sox cheated to win the world series

[Hanso Amore]

Yeah, this is crazy....Griffey was the most dominate hitter in baseball. He was the next big thing. In the mid 90s it was assumed that 61 and 755 were his, on a plate, and it was only a matter of time. He was the best defensive Centerfielder of his time, and of the previous 25 years at least.

I loved Griffey. It killed me to see his injuries ruin his legacy. The guy basically lost 5 years of his career, and is still one of the best outfielders to ever play the game. That is how good he was.

[Hanso Amore]

If Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey are revealed to have used, I will have lost all faith in players

[DaveBrawl]

I feel the same way about Larry Walker and Greg Maddux.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jarrod Washburn to the Tigers for two minor league pitchers</font>

[The Pope]

Give the rings back

[The Pope]

A-Rod too. wait he doesn't have any:lol::rofl:
I Love NY

[Loose Cannon]

Ortiz's homerun off Mariano is Game 4 should be taken away

[The Pope]

Asian Guy Commercial: You're not Big Papi, You're A Big Hoax

[ClockShot]

Jarrod Washburn to the Tigers for two minor league pitchers

Jackson, Verlander, and now Washburn all in one rotation. All are in the top 10 in ERA in the AL.

That's a serious trio Detroit got now. If only D-Train was back to his normal self..........

[Loose Cannon]

Bronson Arroyo believe his name might be on the list for taking Andro.

"Arroyo said he started taking taking andro after 1998, after a season with the Pirates' Double-A affiliate. "Andro made me feel great, I felt like a monster. I felt like I could jump and hit my head on the basketball rim," he said, according to the report."

lol wtf?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368436

[Loose Cannon]

Anyone else cool with the idea of the MLB introducing the Steroids Game to next years All-Star weekend? All present and former caught Steroid users are welcome to play

[Heros Welcome]

Orlando Cabrera headed to the Twins.

Victor Martinez looks to be on his way to Boston.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Word is that the Mets are gonna get Adam LaRoche if the Red Sox complete the swap for Victor Martinez. Probably wouldn't cost anything because the Sox aren't gonna keep LaRoche if they get Martinez. Seems like it would be a separate deal though and not a 3-way trade.</font>

[Heros Welcome]

I'd rather let Murph play everyday. Not a big fan if this trade does go down.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>If they don't give anything significant up, I'm fine with getting him. He's traditionally a good second-half hitter and if he sucks he can just ride the pine and be written off as a gamble.</font>

[Heros Welcome]

Well looks like Mr. LaRoche is headed back to Atlanta.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Joe Beimel to the Rockies</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Victor Martinez officially to Boston, for pitchers Justin Masterson, Nick Hagadone, and Bryan Price.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Scott Rolen to the Reds</font>

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>Scott Rolen to the Reds</font>

Stupid...why would the reds do this? They have a solid young 3B. Idiots. They arent making the playoffs this year

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yankees get Jerry Hairston Jr.

Yahoo's live blog reports that the Yankees gave up..........Austin Jackson. I shit you not.

There is absolutely no way that is accurate though, as the writer finds it hard to believe and is working to get accurate information. But if it was, ROFL Yankees.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>ESPNews said there might be a deal announced soon sending Roy Halladay to the Angels. Details are getting confirmed. Joe Saunders and 3 others going to Toronto.</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Like the Martinez trade but Red Sox just traded LaRoche for Kotchman, what the fuck? I wonder if they got something else going

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nick Johnson to the Marlins for Aaron Thompson</font>

[Loose Cannon]

Halliday to the Angles would be a deathblow to the Yankees if they made the playoffs

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, still not sure if it's true. They've said nothing about it on MLB Network, one would think they would have mentioned it was close by now...even if it wasn't 100%.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

we can't beat the Angles B team in the playoffs, so fuck me if we are going to beat Halliday twice

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Ken Davidoff of Newsday (via Twitter) says the Reds will receive minor league catcher Chase Weems.

...how the FUCK that other guy reported the Yanks were giving up Austin Jackson for fucking Jerry Hairston Jr. is beyond me.</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Stupid...why would the reds do this? They have a solid young 3B. Idiots. They arent making the playoffs this year
Could you please identify this solid young 3B on the Reds?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Seriously have no idea who you're talking about. Juan Francisco is only 22 and he's not ready for the majors yet. The only other 3B is Encarnacion but it can't be him because he's fucking terrible.

[ClockShot]

Jerry FUCKING Hairston?! That's what I yelled when I heard this movie coming home after leaving the movie theatre. Mind you I had the top down to my car so I probably got a few looks.

We ask for a bullpen arm. We get a better version of Cody Ransom. Bad move IMO. I hope we gave up next to nothing.

Oh, and mind you that Shelly Duncan got called up. Probably gonna get back on the bus now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>What the fuck...Jon Heyman reports Jake Peavy to the White Sox. Peavy might be out for the year FFS. I thought DL'ed players couldn't be traded.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's official, no Halladay deal happened. Jays and Angels got close but nothing could be agreed upon.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

nice

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit I just realized I'm on track to see Johan pitch on Tuesday :love: They'll need to call someone up to pitch Monday since there was a double-header yesterday...but you figure Johan will be pitching on his regular rest and Niese will just get an extra day to rest.

Yesssssss</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really don't understand why the Red Sox traded for Kotchman, I am baffled still

[Jeritron]

I guess the Sox and Jays had a Halladay deal going but it fell through right at the end. It was Bucholz and change for him, and the Jays asked for Bard to call it a deal. The Sox said no Bard, and the Jays just gave up I guess.

I had a feeling Bard was going to be the deal breaker. I would have loved to get Halladay, but Theo probably made the right choice.

[Jeritron]

I really don't understand why the Red Sox traded for Kotchman, I am baffled still

Yea. I get the feeling that it was some kind of prerequisite for a Halladay deal. The fact that Bucholz wasn't involved in the V-Mart deal, and that Kotchman trade seems like they were planning on a second big deal but ran out of time.

Maybe the Jays had more interest in him, I dunno.

[ClockShot]

Scott Rolen to the Reds

UPDATE:

Now official. Scott Rolen waived his no-trade clause. In small bit, Rolen asked to be traded due to "personal reasons".

[Hanso Amore]

Seriously have no idea who you're talking about. Juan Francisco is only 22 and he's not ready for the majors yet. The only other 3B is Encarnacion but it can't be him because he's fucking terrible.

I think Encanacion is solid. Not as good as Rolen, but by the time the reds are contenders, Rolen will be long retired. I just dont get the adding a vet at this point. I dunno.

[Hanso Amore]

and as it turns out, they traded Encarnacion for rolen

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Encarnacion will never be anything. He's an occasionally decent hitter, a god awful fielder, and as brittle at 26 as Rolen is at 35. Words cannot begin to describe how happy I am that not only the Reds are rid of that trainwreck, but they actually got someone decent in return.

I'm much more bummed about losing Hairston than I am about Edwin.

[Jeritron]

I think Encanacion is solid. Not as good as Rolen, but by the time the reds are contenders, Rolen will be long retired. I just dont get the adding a vet at this point. I dunno.

You answered your own question. Veteran presence in a lockerroom full of youth.

[SammyG]

Pretty ballsy deal for Peavy.

Also DOOODGE SHOW

[Skippord]

whoever that third basemen who robbed Aaron Cook of a hit against the Reds tonight is vastly better than Encarnacion

[ClockShot]

What happened to Alfredo Aceves?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Deflating loss last night. 2-2 tie in the 8th, Sean Green loads the bases with no outs, he induces a double play getting the force at home and at first...then promptly throws a wild pitch, making it 3-2 Diamondbacks and ultimately it was the deciding run.</font>

[McLegend]

Cliff Lee

[ClockShot]

Damn (White) Sox.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Angel Pagan</font>

[RP]

Derrek MF'ING LEE

Someone try to tell me this guy isnt a MVP canidate right now! I fucking dare you. This guy has had so many huge hits and HR's for the Cubs this year. Holy shit he's on fire right now.

[DaveWadding]

That homer he hit on Monday was a fucking BOMB. Right over my head onto Waveland. Ridic.

[RP]

He had a fucking amazing July for sure. He keeps this up in August and he needs to seriously be considered for MVP.

[RP]

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Love the glove toss

[Droford]

Interesting thing in the Os/Red Sox game

The Sox scored 14 runs on 17 hits in just 5 innings..you'd think the Starter for the Red Sox (Clay Buchholz) would be able to get a win out of that but he got pulled after 4+ IP giving up 7 runs of his own, but still up 14-7.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

The Yankees win and Melky has just hit for the cycle. Way to go Melky.

[ClockShot]

THE MELK MAN DELIVERS!

[Innovator]

MEEEELLLLKY

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I never really liked Melky that much. He was always just a guy I put up with until A-Jax got called up. But today was different. Today I got to give the guy props.

[Hanso Amore]

Melky has been my favorite Yankee not named Jeter or Rivera since he was called up

[Hanso Amore]

Between Melky and Swisher, I have really gotten back into the team. All the crap of the last few eyars, and the A Rod Steroid stuff really made it so hard to stay a fan of baseball.

[Innovator]

Between Melky and Swisher, I have really gotten back into the team. All the crap of the last few eyars, and the A Rod Steroid stuff really made it so hard to stay a fan of baseball.
Between those guys and Burnett with the pies, the team got a personality again

[Hanso Amore]

Between those guys and Burnett with the pies, the team got a personality again

Jeter has been the stalwart constant, but since Paul retired, I havent loved the team. But that has been really turning around

[parkmania]

Well, the Pittsburgh Prospects are 2-1 since the deadline - granted it was against the Nats, but at this point I guess I'll take it.

[Skippord]

what's the over under on how long until Andrew McCutcheon is playing for someone else?

[Skippord]

not sure I spelled that right

probably not, but whatever

[Hanso Amore]

what's the over under on how long until Andrew McCutcheon is playing for someone else?

Yeah, he is going to be an all star anchor in the OF for many years'




In NY or Boston

[Innovator]

Spent half an hour last night watching Austin Jackson highlights, can't wait for this kid

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, so in the hotly contested Wild Card race it's looking like 90 wins is gonna be the mark.

Mets need to go 40-18 in that stretch...

yeahhhh......not gonna happen.</font> :(

[parkmania]

what's the over under on how long until Andrew McCutcheon is playing for someone else?

With the trade deadline now passed, I give until next All-Star break. Pirates aren't going to DFA him, and Pittsburgh almost never makes a trade during the winter meetings.

[Hanso Amore]

With the trade deadline now passed, I give until next All-Star break. Pirates aren't going to DFA him, and Pittsburgh almost never makes a trade during the winter meetings.

They control him for 6 years, he wont get traded for about 4 or 5, we were just kidding

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Spent half an hour last night watching Austin Jackson highlights, can't wait for this kid


You shouldn't need to wait to much longer I say by sometime in the 2010 season we'll see him.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Johan Santana vs. Joel Pineiro tonight. Pineiro historically dominates the Mets and threw a 2-hit shutout against them in June when I was there.

I'm 0-3 at Citi Field this year...hope that will change tonight. Bet the game will only last slightly longer than 2 hours.</font>

[parkmania]

They control him for 6 years, he wont get traded for about 4 or 5, we were just kidding

Unfortunately, I wasn't. If next year he shows anything close to what he's done this year, he'll be gone - traded away for 2 single-A prospects and a roll of bubble wrap.

[ClockShot]

Pettitte vs. Doc Halladay tonight. 2 day field trip to Toronto then home for mid-term exams with Boston and Toronto again.

Gonna be a big 9 games starting tonight.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

2 day field trip to Toronto then home for mid-term examslol wtf, you trying to get on SportCenter or something?

[Evil Vito]

Incredible. K-Rod blows the save, Green hits DeRosa to force in a run on his first pitch, then Pujols hits a grand slam that everyone saw coming. 0-4 in my first year at Citi Field. I can't begin to respect this team until Omar Minaya is out.

[OssMan]

You forgot to post in goldenrod coloured font

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Big Vito 22 sport posts depress the shit out of me

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox in the 12th right now, pretty sure they are out of pitcher in the pen too

[Loose Cannon]

Pettitte vs. Doc Halladay tonight. 2 day field trip to Toronto then home for mid-term exams with Boston and Toronto again.

Gonna be a big 9 games starting tonight.

for a second I thought you were saying you were taking a trip up to Toronto and that you would be back home in time for your mid term exams. I was like, dam that's pretty sick

[Loose Cannon]

big win 2 night btw

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Still shocked by how bad this loss was...even though I really shouldn't be.

I'll still watch the team when I've got nothing better to do, just because I really love baseball...but I'm pretty much numb to their W-L record for the rest of 2009. Really sickens me that Minaya is gonna probably get another year because he has $12 million left on his contract and the Wilpons aren't gonna want to pay him to have him NOT run the team...plus they are gonna write the year off due to injuries. I mean yeah you can't be expected to win when missing so many guys, but the call-ups have been useless because Omar gave us no depth.

Go anybody but the Phillies and Yankees!</font> :shifty:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Don't walk Longoria with 1st open and he hits a walk off home run, alllllllllllllllright

[SammyG]

lol Prince Fielder trying to get into the LA clubhouse and kick some ass.

[Hanso Amore]

LOL @ Castillo getting hurt falling down the Dugout Steps! Sucks to be a Mets fan!

[Hanso Amore]

lol Prince Fielder trying to get into the LA clubhouse and kick some ass.

I would love to see a cage match, Price vs the Dodgers infield.

[SammyG]

Casey Blake would go nuts on him. Loney, Hudson, Furcal and Blake vs Prince Fielder? I like LA's chances. Manny would interfere.

[Hanso Amore]

Casey Blake would go nuts on him. Loney, Hudson, Furcal and Blake vs Prince Fielder? I like LA's chances. Manny would interfere.

Manny would turn Heel A la Hogan

[Jeritron]

Manny would not get involved in a brawl unless he was the player that started it

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jonathon Niese goes down with injury too. Fuck.</font>

[Skippord]

The Mets are the least lucky team ever

[McLegend]

It's fantastic.

[ClockShot]

Alot of players lost their jobs today.

Indians DFA Jose Veras (2nd time.)

Royals DFA Ryan Freel

Yankees DFA Cody Ransom. (It was only a matter of time.)

B.J. Ryan asked for his release from the Cubs and it was granted.

[Nervous Ferret]

rofl the behind home plate umpires are back again :)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Is Albert Pujols serious with the bases loaded? Gotta be some type of joke right? 7 for 9 with 5 HRs?

[ClockShot]

Red Sox sign Paul Byrd to a minor league deal.

Interesting.

[SammyG]

Is Albert Pujols serious with the bases loaded? Gotta be some type of joke right? 7 for 9 with 5 HRs?
Yeah that is fucking ridiculous

[Innovator]

He's more likely to hit a Grand Slam than to swing and miss

[Innovator]

WOOO BUCKY DENT ON MIKE & MIKE

[YOUR Hero]

Have the Jays ever gone South. Man. I can't even watch them anymore.

[Loose Cannon]

honestly, it's not that they go south every year, it's just that they have been in the worst position in all of baseball for so long. The Jays are good, but it's tough to hang on when you have the two best clubs in baseball in the same division. And then you throw in the Rays on top on that

[Hanso Amore]

if the Jays were in any other division, they would honestly be fighting for the divison lead or at least the wild card.

it sucks, I really like the jays, they are my favorite team behind the yanks. I grew up watching them with my Grandpa :(

[Emperor Smeat]

honestly, it's not that they go south every year, it's just that they have been in the worst position in all of baseball for so long. The Jays are good, but it's tough to hang on when you have the two best clubs in baseball in the same division. And then you throw in the Rays on top on that

Its basically a Lose-Lose situation for them. The team is too good to just dismantle and rebuild like the Orioles are trying to do and what took maybe 5-6 years for the Rays to do. At the same time, the division is getting much tougher now that the Rays are finally good and maybe within a few more years Orioles might become good.

[screech]

If they were in the West, the Jays could definitely make it more competitive than it's been the past few years.

[screech]

Unrelated, but does it bug anyone else that the AL West only has four teams in it? And that the NL Central has six teams?

It's just something that has always bugged me.

[ClockShot]

STOP NIBBLING AT THE CORNERS, JOBA!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Unrelated, but does it bug anyone else that the AL West only has four teams in it? And that the NL Central has six teams?

It's just something that has always bugged me.
Nah what else could they do? You can't have 5 in each division because then you'd have 15 in each league and then every night someone wouldn't have an opponent. Gotta have even numbers.

[Innovator]

Good job tonight getting the monkey off the backs boys

Burnett vs. Beckett tomorrow should be awesome. Even if they both go 8, the game will take 4 hours

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I know I've brought it up before, but Adam Dunn is seriously having an MVP caliber season for the Nationals. 3rd in HR, 3rd in RBIs, 4th in OPS, and he's hitting a very respectable .281


And yet he'll still get less votes than Ryan Howard.

[DaveWadding]

Ryan Howard is probably the most overrated player in the NL.

[ClockShot]

FINALLY!

However, watching Joba's pitching last night was like listening to nails on a chalkboard. It was that painful. I hope Eiland and Posada stuck a boot up his ass after the game.

[SammyG]

Awesome walk off shot by Dre

[RP]

I know I've brought it up before, but Adam Dunn is seriously having an MVP caliber season for the Nationals. 3rd in HR, 3rd in RBIs, 4th in OPS, and he's hitting a very respectable .281


And yet he'll still get less votes than Ryan Howard.

Derek Lee > Adam Dunn

[Jeritron]

I know I've brought it up before, but Adam Dunn is seriously having an MVP caliber season for the Nationals. 3rd in HR, 3rd in RBIs, 4th in OPS, and he's hitting a very respectable .281


And yet he'll still get less votes than Ryan Howard.


Because his team if fucking awful. MVPs are traditionally standout members on winning teams

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Derek Lee > Adam Dunn
not this season

[Hanso Amore]

Because his team if fucking awful. MVPs are traditionally standout members on winning teams

AROD in Texas.

But yeah, they normally are on winning teams.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Because his team if fucking awful. MVPs are traditionally standout members on winning teams
I'm not talking about winning. I'm just talking about votes. Alfonso Soriano got a ton of votes the year he was in Washington

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Rumor has it the Mets might be willing to deal away Delgado and Wagner through waivers by the August 31 postseason roster deadline, effectively meaning they are throwing in the towel on 2009.

May as well. Reyes keeps having set-backs and with the Mets so far out of it there is really no point in bringing him back this year and risking him getting even more injured, ditto with Beltran.

Trading Delgado now gives Murphy the 1B job through the rest of the season to see how he can do, and Wagner clearly was not gonna have his $10 million option exercised.</font>

[ClockShot]

Yanks aquire Chad Gaudin from the Padres for a player to be named later.

Always great to add that extra arm. Hope it doesn't cost us much.

[ClockShot]

Twins aquire Carl Pavano from the Indians.

:lol: Will anybody learn?

However, A's release Jason Giambi. Not surprised, it's been floating around the rumor mill for a while now. Will be surprised if somebody picks him up for the remainder of the season. But I think this is the end of the road.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Alex Rios has been claimed off of waivers by an unknown team.

This is commonplace, and typically the team will just pull the player back...but then again, this means a team is willing to pay Rios' enormous salary. Wonder if the Jays will ship him out.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

Twins aquire Carl Pavano from the Indians.

:lol: Will anybody learn?


This is what i never understand about MLB, they have the trade deadline but it seems to last maybe 1 week before some deals or trades occur. Did Twins actually do a trade or its one of those Designated for Assignment style deals ?

Seems odd to have a trade deadline but then allow trades after it.

[ClockShot]

Trade deadline is over. But you can still pull off DFA trades until the end of this month.

1 day after the Yankees destroy him, Red Sox DFA John Smoltz. Probably the end for him as well.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Not surprised by that move, was worth the risk picking up Smoltz but it just didn't work.