Football Talk 2005-2006 (Soccer)

[Danny Electric]

Ok, your're one-nil down with about ten minutes to go so you bring on...Owen Hargreaves.
Fuck off Sven.

[Wengerland]

How bad does it make Wales look though? ;)

Still, nothing can be said really. Incompetence of the highest order. Are you worried yet Wengerland :nono:

Yes :o

Cant' defend that, it was shit. I'm not going to demand that Sven be sacked but everyone's made their minds up anyway. Hopefully Curbishley gets the job when Sven gets sacked. We're in a good position still though.

Against Wales i wasn't concerned because we created chances and finishing was all that was lacking at times, tonight we didn't create any clear cut chances and got what we deserved. Northern Ireland closed us down whereas Wales stayed back and let us have possession, and the players didn't like it, which is difficult to take.

[Team Sheep]

I think Stuart Pearce should be the next England manager.

[Cactus Sid]

ENG-ER-LAND NA NA NA ENG-ER-LAND NA NA NA

Beautiful.....just beautiful

[Astley316]

They have to sack the swede, when the captain questions a substituion you know theres something not quite right espically when that captains the quite man beckham, look what wrighty was saying on the post game, everytime there were instructions to give it was McClaren,

[Danny Electric]

Oh and anoother great decision in taking off Wright-Phillips for Mr I want to be Cristano Ronaldo in doing stepovers all the fucking time.

[Team Sheep]

I can just imagine what the English pubs were like tonight. :rofl:

[Danny Electric]

Time and time again Sven has shown that when it comes to certain matches he has no tactical sense.

[Wengerland]

SWP did bugger all but give it away, to be fair. In saying that no-one had a good, or even average, game.

I wouldn't mind Pearce taking over at some stage, but probably in the future. I mean he's only had 14 league games as a manager or something. I suppose Allardyce will be a main contender and is successful, just through playing shit football.

Anyway, Leicester are, and always will be, a bigger concern for me, so whatever happens will happen really. RBF's said before 'the players don't care about representing England so why should i bother supporting them as passionately' or something like that, i feel the same after that.

[Wengerland]

The Northern Irish fans were immense aswell, some of the best support i've ever heard.

[Astley316]

. I suppose Allardyce will be a main contender and is successful, just through playing shit football.

you obviously dont see the whites that much then, sure they can get down and scrappy, but bolton also play some good football,

[Danny Electric]

Wright-Phillips was at least getting behind teh defence and causing them problems.

[Team Sheep]

I think all he means is that they can escape with a 1-0 victory or something after playing poorly on occasions. I'm sure he didn't mean that Bolton play crap every week.

[Astley316]

then i apologise if i misunderstood his comment

[Wengerland]

I think all he means is that they can escape with a 1-0 victory or something after playing poorly on occasions. I'm sure he didn't mean that Bolton play crap every week.

Actually that was what i meant :o i don't see them every week to be fair but whenever i have they've just hoofed it up to Davies and gone from there. I'm sure Allardyce wouldn't have been moaning about Chelsea playing "long pass" if he didn't appreciate that his team were quite direct.

One thing he'd do if he was in charge was instill some passion in the players, personally i believe if they're pulling on the Three Lions then them playing with passion should be a given, but clearly not.

[Team Sheep]

I wasn't ripping on you or anything, just saying like.

[Astley316]

again, i apologise, i just hear so many people at working calling the whites, when they dont see them play, but yeah, like boltons tactics or not, he's got all these players playing there heart out for the reebok faithful everyweek, when all they were orignally viewed as was mercenries, i dont perticualr want to see my team without there manager, but i think he'd do better then any of the other options, but then again this is the fa, and we all know they wont do jack

[Wengerland]

I don't want to get into an argument about how Bolton play football but that is my opinion, they can play football and like i say, do play it around if Davies doesn't win the aerial challenge but when they played Everton it was horrible to watch and both sides contributed to that.

People could have said Leicester played terrible football when we were in the premiership, even under O'Neill, i'd have accepted that cause i recognise that we weren't pretty to watch then and Adams just plays hoofball.

[Danny Electric]

What Sam has done at Bolton is amazing.

[Astley316]

me either, and yeah ill admit against everton we went back to route one, but agains Newcastle the next game, we out played them

[Wengerland]

me either, and yeah ill admit against everton we went back to route one, but agains Newcastle the next game, we out played them

That's fair enough and i apologise for generalising if it's not always the case. Whether i have liked the football or not is irrelevent considering the success Big Sam has had at Bolton. I'm not sure whether he'd want the England job with Bolton in Europe though.

I wouldn't want McLaren really, he's on the staff now and it isn't helping and Doink doesn't seem to like him and i read elsewhere that Boro fans preferred Robson's style of football, if not results.

Sod it, just bring back Sir Bobby :cool: :shifty:

[Astley316]

EL TEL!!!!!!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Sod it, just bring back Sir Bobby :cool: :shifty:

I said it first :mad:

Somebody start a campaign. He'd get half the names wrong and Kieron Dyer wouldn't get much of a look in, but is that so wrong? When was the last time we got to a major semi final before Italia 90 fercrissakes?

[Wengerland]

Actually i don't know why i didn't mention him for it earlier, but Martin O'Neill. The England job is by no means a proper full time one so he could look after his wife still and i can't see one of the jobs he was after becoming available in the near future. Not English as such but at least he's British and as good as the main English candidates.

[Maluco]

Just back from the game boys, and I know it must be gutting for you, but is the single greatest moment in any of our supporting lives, crowd was electric and we actually felt we deserved it.

From an objective, Sven has no idea, Lawrie Sanchez outmanouvred him tonight by using our players where they are best at playing, England forced players out of position and quite frankly got out played at times

[Ogen]

I didn't want to go to Germany anyway full of fucking nazis.

[yianni]

Well we got out of fucking jail hardcore against Kazakhstan last night. :o

[toxic rooster]

you obviously dont see the whites that much then, sure they can get down and scrappy, but bolton also play some good football,

Are you related to Wengerland somehow?

[packt up]

All those people calling for Svens sacking: don't be so fucking stupid.

1) It would cost SHITLOADS to sack him on his current contract so no go for FA
2) Do you really think sacking the manager with two games to go is going to give the new manager enough time to do anything
3) Although the formation failed spectacularly it also has to be said that all the players yesterday apart from Robinson and Beckham played VERY poorly

I'm not saying he's good but I would say that he is still by far the best available. People forget that it would have been 7 competitive wins in a row if we won last night. And I know its the manner of defeat that is shocking and abysmal but what are the alternatives. It was a historically shambolic result there's no denying that but if we win our next to games and qualify none of you will give a shit.

Till we lose in the quarters and WC again.

[packt up]

Also Bolton do play shit football barring Okocha and Diouf. Shit but effective

[Mr. Monday Morning]

All those people calling for Svens sacking: don't be so fucking stupid.

1) It would cost SHITLOADS to sack him on his current contract so no go for FA
2) Do you really think sacking the manager with two games to go is going to give the new manager enough time to do anything
3) Although the formation failed spectacularly it also has to be said that all the players yesterday apart from Robinson and Beckham played VERY poorly

I'm not saying he's good but I would say that he is still by far the best available. People forget that it would have been 7 competitive wins in a row if we won last night. And I know its the manner of defeat that is shocking and abysmal but what are the alternatives. It was a historically shambolic result there's no denying that but if we win our next to games and qualify none of you will give a shit.

Till we lose in the quarters and WC again.

I'm not especially calling for his head but

1) Take it out of the player's wages for being so inept

2) This isn't Ron Atkinson coming in with a couple months left to try and avoid relegation, it's the fucking most talented England team in at least 20 years. They shouldn't need much coaching or motivation, just someone to pick the team and get them playing to their strengths. Do you really think there's anyone who would be considered who wouldn't have any idea at all about how to do that?

3) Up to now Robinson playing well has been a given, mostly cause we've been playing sub-standard teams but still. Beckham played well because there was no-one around him all game. If they tried that against, say, Eire, Keane would've (in footballing terms) raped him all night. Also to a certain extent how are Lampard and Gerrard meant to get into the game when he pings the ball over their heads all night?

[packt up]

1) lol if that happened that would be great
2) Who do you propose to do this exactly? If its so simple how come Mcclaren hasn't stepped in and sorted it out? International teams don't get much time to train together - if a new person comes in do they even have a friendly to try stuff out? (I don't think they do but I don't really know)
3) Indeed. Beckham I think has been shit for England for ages. Drop him back and he pings em around great but as you said Lampard and Gerrard suffer. The formation is shit no doubt and doesn't help but if Lampard and Gerrard need Beckham to pass to them just to do something in the game then they are playing shite too.

[The Mask]

i didn't think players got paid by the FA for internationals

[packt up]

I don't think they do I think MMM was just implyin some sort of FA imposed fine or something. *shrug*

[Chavo Classic]

Embarrassed to be an England football fan. Simple as

[Doink]

I don't think they do I think MMM was just implyin some sort of FA imposed fine or something. *shrug*

Do you seriously think these players are playing for the good of their country and for an 'england cap' to put with their collection ?

Get real, the FA prob have to pay the clubs to release the players, they defo pay the players and then they will give them win bounes etc on top of that.

The game is too money orientated now-a-days and the players yet again show they dont give a damn, its not like Robson, Butcher, Pearce & Moore are playing anymore, yes they will have recieved a cash bonus for playing but all those guys would bleed for the cause and do anything to make sure England got a result. You name me one player like that now?

Mclaren is not the man for the job, Sven SHOULD be sacked as this will give the new guy time to assess what he has and has the time to pick the side that actually gives a fuck and wants to win. IMO if Sven stays, we will be lucky to get past the group stages, should we even make it that far.

Rooney is a child who really really needs to grow up, so fuck you werent getting the ball and playing out of position. ROONEY you are paid to play football, if the manager puts you in goal, you play there.

[packt up]

Actually Doink the clubs pay the players wages whenever they are playing internationals. Have you never heard a manager complain something along the lines of "x got injured playing internationals. This is an outrage because we pay his wages!" etc etc.

From the economist:

"But perhaps the biggest example of the anti-commercial impulses that run through the game is the World Cup itself. Football clubs around the world have to lend billions of dollars-worth of talent to their national sides, free of charge. The clubs will pay the players' wages throughout the tournament, and have to accept that their precious stars may return exhausted or even injured."

http://www.economist.com/surveys/showsurvey.cfm?issue=20020601

[Doink]

the players will recieve a financial benifit from playing for their country, the clubs stil pay the wages as the players are on contracts so the club cant stop a payment because the player is on international duty, the only thing a club can do is refuse to release the player.

Do you honestly think that a player is going to travel half way across the world off his own back and play for his country? seriously what is in it for the player unless there is a financial offer for him?

the clubs are pissed off as they run the risk of the player being injured for which they will get no compensation if he is.

[toxic rooster]

Something about REPRESENTING YOUR COUNTRY perhaps?

[packt up]

Everyone wants to represent their country I should hope. The reasons for that are personal but I would like to think that everyone just wants to have the honour of putting on an England shirt. Its like when Chris Sutton refused to play for the England B Team the stupid prick. The thing is when playing for your country money shouldn't be the motivating factor. Club football is a totally different thing.

The only financial benefit I can see players getting is some sort of performance bonus like "win the world cup and we'll give you some money". Just playing for their country raises their profile hugely and is enough of a "financial" bonus.

[packt up]

Or just what Wee Gooner said ^

[Cactus Sid]

Just thought I'd say

Not a fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, but major props to him for playing despite the death of his father :y:

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Rio and Ashley Cole need to learn how to play til the whistle.

I fucking hate it when players just stand there with their arm up expecting the lino to flag. Fat boy Unsworth did it and got done by Robbie Fowler and just stood there shouting at the linesman while Fowler crossed for them to score. Fat wanker.

If they had chased Healy back instead of giving him so much time to finish, it might not have happened.</font>

[Mr. Monday Morning]

2) Who do you propose to do this exactly? If its so simple how come Mcclaren hasn't stepped in and sorted it out? International teams don't get much time to train together - if a new person comes in do they even have a friendly to try stuff out? (I don't think they do but I don't really know)

McLaren's pretty much running the team as it is. Did you see him last night telling Rooney to smile right after he got booked? :lol: Fucking gimp

Hell since I brought his name up why not Ron Atkinson. He could dazzle oppo players with his bling jewellery :cool:

[packt up]

In fact Doink your talking total shit. If your telling me every single player who plays at the World Cup is doing it for financial reasons and not because they want their country to do well your a fucking head case.

[packt up]

Just thought I'd say

Not a fan of Cristiano Ronaldo, but major props to him for playing despite the death of his father :y:

I'll second that. I have to say I hate him probably as much as any player in the world but :y:

[Rob]

Why are the English public after Bobby Robson? He is past it. I respect the hell out of him but the players don't have the professional respect for him now. He lost the dressing room at Newcastle and had no answers to solve their problems. Plus he is miles too old. They need an active coach. Erikkson is a joke. Always has been. Only ever won the championship at Lazio in his career and I could do that if I had £90 million to spend (thus nearly killing the club so nice management skills there too by the way).

Still though, I was rolled over laughing at Ian Wright being close to tears last night :lol:

[Danny Electric]

I agree with Rob.

[Londoner]

The funny thing is I actually called this a few weeks ago,I think it was in a pm to doink.I said a defeat for england in the qualifiers is right around the corner for us, I based that opinion on our performances in the qualifiers.Last night was no shock to me, well it was abit I guess at first but it was only a matter of time. Sven keeps getting away with lcucy results due to the quality of our squad.It's just aswell we have such a good defence overall because otherwise we would not of got away with the results we have.

For example, we could only beat azaberjian 1-0 i think it was, yet Poland batter them 8-0!Then we hear excuses from Beckham saying 'well every team in europe is orgnaized now'..what aload of crap.Yeah i'm sure getting beat 8-0 is a sign of an organized team!

Then there's the playing players out of position rubbish that Sven does.Look at Andy Johnson, look at Joe cole yesterday, he's also too scared to drop either gerrard/lampard.Them two can not play together, i'm convinced about that.I would drop gerrard as his performances for england haven't been that impressive, imo.

Then there's the not making good sue of friendlies to give young up and coming players a chance rubbish, Sven has made us think that friendlies are rubbish by doing all those subs so that if he loses then he wont get blamed. Well I think that plan has backfired on him.When Downing could've had a proper debut to solve our left side problem, he gave downing like 10 mins or something.He then plays Johnson on the right side of fucking midfield when he's a striker.That's just plain stupidity and it shows me he doesn't care for the future of our countries football.I don't think he cares whether we win the world cup or not either, i'm sure the players do, but Sven isn't doing his part.

We'll struggle a 1-0 win out of Austria, and we'll get a draw in poland, no way will we win both.

[Rob]

I hate the term "friendlies" too. There aren't friendlies in international football. It's meant the be the height of your career when you pull on your national jersey. Doesn't matter if it's against Brazil in the friendly or Ivory Coast in the World Cup. Players should play like every international could be their last game for their country. Only in Britain do people take a dim view of friendlies. If Brazil and Argentina take these games seriously then we are fools if we don't. Look at Scotland's record with Berti Vogts. We barely won a friendly that apparently don't mean much. It did however drop us like 50 places in the world rankings and made us a total laughing stock (as opposed to just be the glorious losers we were before).

[Doink]

I agree with everything TL and Rob have said so far!

In fact Doink your talking total shit. If your telling me every single player who plays at the World Cup is doing it for financial reasons and not because they want their country to do well your a fucking head case.

I'm not saying that money is the only reason they play however it is a factor, IMO all players who play at international level will recieve money for playing from their countrys FA however it is in an indivividuals display as to if they are doing it for the love of their country or not. Look at beckham, there are times when he plays and ou can see it means so much to him that he does everything he can to try and win (ala stu pearce in his day) but then there are times where he looks as tho its a chore to pull on the england shirt. This happens with too many players.

IMO players do recieve money to play for national team however your opinion may differ, i have no problem with that.

Anyway to do what the FA have done and take the heat away from sven and england...... CHELSEA DRUG TEST THEIR OWN PLAYERS !!!! :eek:

so fuck, i think this is a good idea as they will find thwe cheats before the fa but not to con the fa, i believe they do it for the good of the game, if they know someone is on drugs from their own tests, they will not play this player until is clean and will sure as hell fine him. The only problem i see with that is that the FA cant ban him for a month (or 10months if he misses a test). The player is unlikly to play anyway so where is the problem.

Chelsea are trying to not cheat there opponents by doing these tests IMO so from me i give a :y: and believe other clubs should do it aswell.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">FUCK YOU UP THE BUM YOU SCOUSE WANKERS</font>

[Danny Electric]

By the look of our aquad today and the people we brought on, it looks like we went to White Hart Lane looking for a draw. I'm happy with a point from therem the worrying thing this season is that no one can put the ball in the back of the net.

[Cactus Sid]

Well from what I've heard, we had by far the better chances, hit the woodwork a couple of times, had a goal disallowed, and were playing against one of the best keepers in the league.

After our away form last season, draws at Boro and Spurs, both good sides, are good results.

[Danny Electric]

Big Duncan disorderly in the wrong net.

[Danny Electric]

It's just worrying that we took two strikers and thats it. I'll find out more on Match Of The Day.

[Cactus Sid]

We've only got 2 fit strikers

[Cactus Sid]

Actually, I forgot Pongolle, who was probably on the bench

[Danny Electric]

He wasn't on the bench. Exactly, how worrying is it, one of the strikers goes out injured and we only have another 2 quality strikers. I just hope we get by ok till December and then go into teh market because with teh amount of games we could potentially play.

[Rob Ban Fan]

In contrast to Portsmouth who were always looking to work the ball into the feet of their pacy front pair, Everton's attacking efforts were one-dimensional as they looked to find the head of Ferguson and hope Marcus Bent could feed off his knock-downs.


But for all their huff and puff, Everton's attacking ploy consisted of little more than lumping the ball forward for Beattie and Ferugson. Portsmouth, in turn, heaped the bodies behind the ball and cleared the second-ball when it dropped.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Portsmouth Football Club = Innovators of Total Football :cool::cool::cool:</font>

[Danny Electric]

hahahaha
Was that from the official Pompy website or soemthing :)

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">The words of BBC Football :cool:</font>

[Danny Electric]

Written by Laurent Robert.

[packt up]

Laurent Robert = God

WOOOO for shambolic defending. Time is ticking Mr Souness

[Wengerland]

Rab Douglas is fucking class, 4 top saves today. We weren't great today to be honest, but a win, clean sheet and a chance to see Iain Hume's debut was all good.

[Wengerland]

I MIGHT be on The Championship tomorrow too, i was behind the goal where both ours were scored and sitting behind this guy in a steward-like bright jacket, depends on the camera angle really :cool:

[Rob Ban Fan]

"The amount of knobshines that are frequenting Goodison these day's makes me sick. Yes we were poor and Pompey looked like Brazil at times with their passing and movement but some of you lot just go to bloody moan."

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">The opinion of some Everton fan on their rivals board :cool:

ITS JUST LIKE WATCHING BRAZIL</font>

[toxic rooster]

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We had some exciting news overnight from Morocco, where the draw for the order of our matches against our South American opponents in November was carried out at the FIFA Congress. The good news is that we will play our home leg second – on Wednesday November 16th – in Sydney. So the home game, probably the biggest in many of our players’ careers, will be the decider! The team will be able to travel home from South America, hopefully having acquitted ourselves well there, and knowing exactly what will be required to qualify for Germany.
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YOU FUCKING LEGEND

[Mr. Monday Morning]

What do you care you hockey loving twat

[toxic rooster]

Wee Gooner likes everything.

Especially the random who pulled out the ball which said we got to play the second leg at home

[Ogen]

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/jose-team-talk-p1.php

[The Mask]

i already posted that you scrote.

[Rob]

Rab Douglas is fucking class, 4 top saves today. We weren't great today to be honest, but a win, clean sheet and a chance to see Iain Hume's debut was all good.

Douglas is fucking mince. He can make 200 top saves but he'll fuck up still.

And just for you, RBF and Kirk, Seth Johnson played for England.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Seth Johnson wasn't mine.

Carl Cort was mine :cool:

[Rob]

I purposely didnt tell Owen which 3 out of 4 I had in the hope he would he got it. Still missing that 4th guy.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">fucks sake. How have all these wankers got England caps?</font>

[packt up]

MICHAEL RICKETTS

[Doink]

Mclaren proved that 4-5-1 can work yesterday, our new signings were looking good and maccarone was imence, he was by far man of the match and his atitude at the moment is supurb.

[Cactus Sid]

Rochemback looked awesome, creative, didn't waste the ball at all, could be an excellent signing.

Apparently Joaquin wants to sign for us....if only.

[Rob]

Australia are going to be in the Asian qualifiers for the 2010 World Cup.

[Wengerland]

I just swore RBF had already told me 3 of them the other day, i thought Johnson may have been capped but wasn't sure.

Rab did fuck up aswell to be fair, fumbled a fairly straightforward cross but it didn't cost us. Some of the stick he's got here is far too harsh, i judge players on what they do for us and aside from his league debut he's been fine.

Barcelona just won 2-0, good to see after the Bolton-Blackburn game.

[Astley316]

yeah the game was zzzzz

i hate being on tv we always perform like crap,

i can only hope the players have there mind on thursday

[toxic rooster]

Australia are going to be in the Asian qualifiers for the 2010 World Cup.

Loving it too :heart:

Means our chances of qualifying don't effectively rely solely on one 2-legged tie every 4 years

[packt up]

Wow who would have thought such fantastically cultured, skilled and refined sides such as Blackburn and Bolton would have a dour 0-0 :eek:

[packt up]

Oh and lol and :heart: for RBF for repping me 3 times in 2 days you fucking rep whore. I would return the favour but in comparison I am a saintly virgin.

And Andy Faye is cack :mad:. I'll swopsie him for Robert?

[toxic rooster]

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[Cactus Sid]

On the whole Joaquin to Liverpool thing

While its obviously September, and if we did sign him, he'd cost a small fortune. I've got a good feeling that some sort of deal may well be done.

Just as a bit of a conspiracy theory, on Liverpool's website, they always put up any media rumours.....they haven't with Joaquin. Also, when a player is strongly linked, its usually a hot topic on the forums (which it is) however, when they have a particularly hot topic, they put it up on the front page....again, not done.

Maybe I'm just being a tad hopeful.....

[Ogen]

Christ thats a bit embarassing really.

[Ogen]

http://www.sigames.com/downloads.php?type=view&id=354

Bound to be a good few cunts in here that want to check it out.

[Rob]

UP THE 'AMMERS!!!!!!

[The Mackem]

If we don't pick up soon we might not be in the running for the title come May :(

[Doink]

LOL, im sure you'll be up there come the end of the season!

[Ogen]

2-0 Liverpool
1-0 Chelsea

Going well so far for the English

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Lyon 3-0 Real

Lyon missed a pen too

[diothoir]

Lyon 3 - 0 Real Madrid

edit - :mad: MMM

[Cactus Sid]

Good result tonight, should put us through already

[Cactus Sid]

Just a few things from last night

The Veron sending off was utterly hilarious....imagine if that happened to Arsenal in the Premiership

Why was everyone saying Lampard score a wonder goal, when clearly it was the keepers fault

Why does it seem that all the pundits don't actually watch football at all. They talk about what a huge shock Lyon beating Madrid was.....its only a shock if you don't follow football at all.

[Doink]

:wtf: Ricketts scored his first league goal in 2 years last night :eek:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Rooney needs a slap :nono:

Or a flying boot to the head :yes:

[Astley316]

:wtf: Ricketts scored his first league goal in 2 years last night :eek:

yeah i still cant believe you payed us 3 million quid for that bloke, hehe sam must have been laughing all the way to the bank:lol:

[diothoir]

Of course, the second Ricketts leaves Leeds, he scores. :mad:

LOL at Rooney though.

[Rob]

What a knobhead. I know he has a temper but is he really this thick in the head?

[Doink]

Yes

[toxic rooster]

:rofl: just saw the replay then.

Hoping that sets a precedent for every top level game ever now. Refs take way too much shit at the top level

[Wengerland]

I wouldn't be too surprised at Ricketts scoring, we can't defend set pieces for shit.

Wolves will hammer us on saturday.

[packt up]

WOOO ROONEY

[Doink]

I wouldn't be too surprised at Ricketts scoring, we can't defend set pieces for shit.

Wolves will hammer us on saturday.

if Ricketts can score past you then you defo cant defend set pieces !

:lol: I still cant beileve he scored, i wonder if he'll ever regain the form that made him an england regula....... sorry that got him a cap.

[Doink]

:rofl: just saw the replay then.

Hoping that sets a precedent for every top level game ever now. Refs take way too much shit at the top level

It would be nice to think it would however there is too much inconsistancy with refs for it to happen.

The last time I can remeber a player being booked for something like this was gazza when he played for rangers. The ref dropped his yellow card so gazza picked it up and pretended to book the ref, who swiftly booked gazza for doing this.

There are prob loads more but thats the one that sticks in my mind. The refs do take to much shit from the players, but i for one dont want to see them giving out bookings everytime a player has a word etc. It would ruin the game.

However if the player is blatently taking the piss alla rooney then yeh book him.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I wouldn't be too surprised at Ricketts scoring, we can't defend set pieces for shit.

Wolves will hammer us on saturday.

Fear the backlash :'(

[Wengerland]

We've not won an away league game in the whole of 2005, that's how confident you should be, Adam ;)

We have beaten Reading and Charlton, amongst others, away in the cups though, which is annoying :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

We were unbeaten at home in the league since like January before Tuesday :mad:

[Londoner]

So luque is out for 2 months,as I predicted again, we seem to have an injury curse. I'm just hoping that Owen doesn't get injured soon.

As for Rooney, well what can ya expect?You rush a young kid into the first team straight away and rely on him so much, he's not going to have time to mature.This is what Moyes was worried about.

[Y2Ant]

ROFL Gazza booking the ref, how would the ref not find that funny :(

[The Mackem]

Scottish refs don't have a sense of humour. I remember seeing that at the time. He would have been better off ripping it up.

[Astley316]

Just got back home from the ufea cup game, we were shite first half, deserved to be a goal down, but we played much better second half and deserved our 2 goals, still gonna be tough in bulgaria because there a decent side,

[Londoner]

lol@everton.

[Doink]

We won but the game was boring as hell. Maccarone yet again puts in a man of the match display and yet again Mclaren takes him off. Emerson looked good on his return and was recieved well untill he had a go at pogetetz for not putting the ball out when a man was down (swiftly followed the 'who the fucking hell are you' chants along with some 'im surprised your wife let you come to middlesbrough as she wouldnt let you when you played for us').

Mclaren has the nerve to complain that the fans stayed away, It's called learning from experience. Last season he played negative side's with no flair, last season for the same stage of the competition tickets were about £15, this season we have played crap in our last 3 home games. So what does Mclaren do about this?

He yet again plays a negative team which was a weakened team in reality and we increase the prices to £20, its no wonder the fans stay away, I wish i had, i rushed like mad to get there for kick off and I was bored shitless.

[Doink]

[QUOTE=TL]So luque is out for 2 months,as I predicted again, we seem to have an injury curse. I'm just hoping that Owen doesn't get injured soon.
[QUOTE]

there seems to be a hamstring curse at newcastle, Owen has a history of hamstring trouble so i wouldnt be surprised if he gets injured soon. It was the same with boro last year, we had a broken leg and knee ligiment damage curse all picked up in training which is what pissed me off the most.

[Rob Ban Fan]

'im surprised your wife let you come to middlesbrough as she wouldnt let you when you played for us'

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">:wtf: what tune was that sung to? :$

Your fans are obviously more creative than ours if you can get that going. We normally settle on "ner ner ner ner ner ner PORTSMOUTH!" and "XXXXX is a CUNT NANANANA" :$</font>

[Danny Electric]

They sang it really fast to singing in the rain.

[toxic rooster]

There are prob loads more but thats the one that sticks in my mind. The refs do take to much shit from the players, but i for one dont want to see them giving out bookings everytime a player has a word etc. It would ruin the game.

However if the player is blatently taking the piss alla rooney then yeh book him.

I'm not against players having a word with the ref or anything, but (and I know there's loads more examples of this) things like Alan Smith clearly telling the ref to fuck off in the manchester derby shouldn't be tolerated, refs need to grow a set really.

My teammate Chris got sent off for calling the ref blind

[Doink]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">:wtf: what tune was that sung to? :$

:$</font>

Kind of an agressive rap type tune with a hint of hatred thrown in

[Doink]

I'm not against players having a word with the ref or anything, but (and I know there's loads more examples of this) things like Alan Smith clearly telling the ref to fuck off in the manchester derby shouldn't be tolerated, refs need to grow a set really.

My teammate Chris got sent off for calling the ref blind

Thants a good example of when they should get sent off, if he told the ref to fuck off then the ref shouuld say why dont you and show him the red.

There was a game in my league a few years back that was abandend after the ref sent someone off for swearing at him. The guy he sent off punched the ref then went to his car and came back with a crowbar ready to attack the ref with it. The game was called after the ref ran off to his car and drove away :lol: The ref no longer refs and the guy was banned for life from our league

[packt up]

LOL SUNDERLAND WOOOOOOOO

(sorry Mackem but being above you is all we have left)

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">God Steve Bruce is a cunt. How they got a point from that I have no idea.

I fucking hate Birmingham. What is it with premiership teams beginning with B? They all seem to play horrible, anti football and/or have wanker managers.</font>

[Ogen]

Yeah those Barcelona lot are boring cunts

[Mr. Monday Morning]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">
I fucking hate Birmingham. What is it with PREMIERSHIP teams beginning with B? They all seem to play horrible, anti football and/or have wanker managers.</font>

HTH tbh

[Londoner]

LOL SUNDERLAND WOOOOOOOO

(sorry Mackem but being above you is all we have left)


Thank you Sunderland.:lol: :D :rofl: :lol: :y: :yes: :cool: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rob Ban Fan]

Yeah those Barcelona lot are boring cunts

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">PREMIERSHIP teams beginning with B ;)</font>

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">just saw Adam had made that point already. I'm sorry everyone.

I wish i was dead.</font>

[Danny Electric]

Leave Brum alone you dirty southener. Stevie Bruce is great.
Why can't Walsall keep a lead, it's really getting to me.

[The Mackem]

Oh man we were so close to winning a Premiership game, I almost shot my load.

[Wengerland]

Managed to grind out a draw at Wolves, thanks to some boring defensive play. That'll do :cool:

Liverpool vs Man Utd was quite dull, how Luis Garcia played the full game after that performance is beyond me.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

:foc:

Roy Keane has broken a metatarsal :$

[toxic rooster]

Was it on whatshisname's skull?

[Londoner]

Holy shit. We won. We actually won.I feel like I'm going to wake up any minute...

[Rob Ban Fan]

Leave Brum alone you dirty southener. Stevie Bruce is great.
Why can't Walsall keep a lead, it's really getting to me.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Typical Birmingham game:
HOOOOOOOF *Heskey flick on*
HOOOOOOOOOOF *Heskey flick on*
HOOOOOOOOF *Heskey flick on*
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF *Heskey flick on*

Typical Steve Bruce post match interview:
"Now i don't like to moan and I think the referee did a brilliant job today.........BUT *10 minute whinge about how the referee gave nothing their way*" </font>

[Londoner]

Couldn't agree with you more, Rob.:D

[packt up]

Shocking first half display followed by decent second = 3-0

Seriously Blackburn are so fucking terrible they deserve to go down. Being unable to beat our team when it had shitty Faye, young NZogbia (who embarrassed Friedel well and proper), dirty dirty Bowyer and FUCKING LEE CLARK in the midfield and you aren't in good shape.

OWENNNNNNNNN bagged one which is good but seriously first half was the worst game I've ever seen. And lol at Steven Taylor getting a yellow for running shoulder to shoulder with Bellamy. He probably should have got sent off earlier in all fairness but that was a joke of a yellow. If that is a yellow there should be 22 a game. Refs are such nonces these days.

Also Boumsong is so terrible :(

So in conclusion MICHAEL OWEN MOTHERFUCKERRRRRRRR

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">It was well funny just after the third goal had gone in and the entire Blackburn stand got up and left and the Blackburn announcer guy gets on the PA and goes "and the man of the match is ZURAB KHIZANISHVILLI"

:$</font>

[Londoner]

Shocking first half display followed by decent second = 3-0

Seriously Blackburn are so fucking terrible they deserve to go down. Being unable to beat our team when it had shitty Faye, young NZogbia (who embarrassed Friedel well and proper), dirty dirty Bowyer and FUCKING LEE CLARK in the midfield and you aren't in good shape.

OWENNNNNNNNN bagged one which is good but seriously first half was the worst game I've ever seen. And lol at Steven Taylor getting a yellow for running shoulder to shoulder with Bellamy. He probably should have got sent off earlier in all fairness but that was a joke of a yellow. If that is a yellow there should be 22 a game. Refs are such nonces these days.

Also Boumsong is so terrible :(

So in conclusion MICHAEL OWEN MOTHERFUCKERRRRRRRR

I agree that boumsong is terrible.He's been the weak link in our defence, even more so than bramble.

Owen is class though, WORLD class that is!

[Y2Ant]

lol

have some bellamy :cool:

[Doink]

big ricketts scored again this weekend :wtf:

Mclaren cost us the game yesterday, he took no cover other than Maccarone for the right hand side of midfield and then when our right winger got injured he puts on Doriva and plays 45mins with noone on the right hand side. He put macca on & he went up front, noone knew where they were playing so what does Mclaren do to address this problem, swaps querdrue & pogetetz from left back & left wing :rant: why start with 2 left backs inthe first place. Why leave parlour at home when he is our only cover for the right.

Why does Ugo get his game, he has been terrible all season and cost us yeaterday by letting the ball bounce, what a prick

[yianni]

Sorry lads, just saw the highlights round-up for the weekend's matches...and I just gotta say LOL @ Sunderland, poor fucking bastards. Mackem you silly cunt...ah well at least you got a point. :p

[Londoner]

I saw the highlights last night of newcastle's match and noticed how poorly we played, we were bloody lucky that blackburn can't score.

[Londoner]

big ricketts scored again this weekend :wtf:

Mclaren cost us the game yesterday, he took no cover other than Maccarone for the right hand side of midfield and then when our right winger got injured he puts on Doriva and plays 45mins with noone on the right hand side. He put macca on & he went up front, noone knew where they were playing so what does Mclaren do to address this problem, swaps querdrue & pogetetz from left back & left wing :rant: why start with 2 left backs inthe first place. Why leave parlour at home when he is our only cover for the right.

Why does Ugo get his game, he has been terrible all season and cost us yeaterday by letting the ball bounce, what a prick

You got a point, be greatful. It was more than what we got this week...oh wait a minute, no it wasn't.:lol: ;)

[The Mackem]

Sorry lads, just saw the highlights round-up for the weekend's matches...and I just gotta say LOL @ Sunderland, poor fucking bastards. Mackem you silly cunt...ah well at least you got a point. :p

Yeah we got a point, it's true.

[Cactus Sid]

Luis Garcia was shit, but I love him for breaking Keane's foot

[Ogen]

If I ever meet Luis Garcia remind me to break his legs. CUNT.

[packt up]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">It was well funny just after the third goal had gone in and the entire Blackburn stand got up and left and the Blackburn announcer guy gets on the PA and goes "and the man of the match is ZURAB KHIZANISHVILLI"

:$</font>

LMAO I love you

Didn't hear the announcement but yeah lol at the entire stand leaving and like just walking right by the pitch too. If I was a player that would have put me right off. Then again we all know Blackburn fans are shit but I can understand why they stay away when their team is a bunch of fucking hooligans who just run around aimlessly, barging into people instead of tackle and just punt the ball about in the vague hope one of their toepokes ends up in the back of the net. Oh and 10 of them have to put up with Robbie Savage on their team too. Fuck me they are a shambles.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Bellamy doesn't look right either. He has mad titties and broad shoulders.</font>

[Rob]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Bellamy doesn't look right either. He has mad titties and broad shoulders.</font>

That's because he is a big tart.

[Wengerland]

hahaha Real Madrid are trying to get their defeat on Sunday to be dismissed or something, cunts.

Arsenal fans seemed to make a bit of noise yesterday too.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

How can they get it struck off? :wtf:

[Wengerland]

I don't know if they've actually got a chance, but i could see where they're coming from on the winning goal. A free-kick was played in long, an Espanyol player was pulled down and the referee blew his whistle, only for some other guy to head it in a split second later so the ref allowed it. I don't know the ins and outs of the rule book, but i'd have thought if the ref blows his whistle then it would have to stop, even though he was going to give a penalty.

-edit- Turns out they've decided against appealing for it to be overturned.

[Rob]

Aston Villa are pants. 3-1 down at half time to Wycombe!!! I won't bother checking the full time on that one... :shifty:

[diothoir]

LOL at Spurs.

[toxic rooster]

Aston Villa are pants.

pants

[Londoner]

Had a feeling Grimsby would win, spurs are shite.

[toxic rooster]

Seriously though, pants?

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">whats wrong with pants? :mad:</font>

[toxic rooster]

do i really need to explain?

[yianni]

BOLLOCKS MATE :rofl:

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Well :$ Woodgate finally made his Real debut </font>

[I refuse to Rosk.]

Villa aren't odds on to score at any time against Chelsea. Jesus.

Decent odds I've seen are

Villa to win at 16/1

and

Crespo hat-trick 80/1

Both possible. Well, I say possible, but I clearly mean unlikely but likely, or something.

[Londoner]

Woodgate was unlucky, I feel sorry for him.

[Rob]

Woodgate was unlucky, I feel sorry for him.

13 months of sitting on your arse collecting £60k a week. Yeah I'm gutted for him.

[Dazz]

Villa aren't odds on to score at any time against Chelsea. Jesus.

Decent odds I've seen are

Villa to win at 16/1

and

Crespo hat-trick 80/1

Both possible. Well, I say possible, but I clearly mean unlikely but likely, or something.

I'm hardly suprised to be honest. But saying that I reckon it'll be a close game.

[Dazz]

Anyone seen the Sun today? apparently they are offering £10k to the first person to score Vs Chelsea. :wtf:

[packt up]

lol what

[diothoir]

LMAO at Woodgate.

[Londoner]

13 months of sitting on your arse collecting £60k a week. Yeah I'm gutted for him.


That shows how much you know doesn't it?Hmm yeah, I'm sure working off a serious injury as hard as he possibly could is really sitting on his ass right?:roll: Ok so he gets payed alot of money, but what he wants to do is play football.It's not like he would've been enjoying those last 15 months or so.

[Londoner]

Anyone seen the Sun today? apparently they are offering £10k to the first person to score Vs Chelsea. :wtf:


I heard about that.:lol:

[toxic rooster]

turned on this birmingham liverpool game at the exact right time.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I wonder if Steve Bruce will argue about that sending off :lol: </font>

[Londoner]

Chelsea 2-1 up, a fucking penalty.What a surprise. Villa scored against Chelsea though.:D

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Wooooooo badly needed win after a shite couple weeks. 11 points off the top :o :mad: but we've got 2 games this week that realistically (assuming we don't get any more injuries) we should win, so we could make up some ground. 5th will do for now though.

Funny how Miller comes back and we suddenly start playing well again. Sign the fucking contract Kenny :mad:

[Londoner]

We beat Man City 1-0, Micheal owen once again! Can't ask anything more really, except for better defending.

[Londoner]

Wooooooo badly needed win after a shite couple weeks. 11 points off the top :o :mad: but we've got 2 games this week that realistically (assuming we don't get any more injuries) we should win, so we could make up some ground. 5th will do for now though.

Funny how Miller comes back and we suddenly start playing well again. Sign the fucking contract Kenny :mad:


Who do you support?

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">he supports Wolves.

Just watched the first half of our match at Bolton and anyone who thinks Bolton's main course of attack isn't a long ball to Davies is wrong. Simple as.

We've played some nice football, short passing on the deck and knocking it about, they've played their usual high ball to Davies. Yet we're losing.

Oh well, i can honestly say i'd rather lose playing good football.</font>

[Wengerland]

What a shit game, a clueless ref and two teams who didn't want to play any kind of football. Bollocks.

I can see Levein walking if we lose on Tuesday, there were a few 'Levein out' chants and 'You don't know what you're doing' ones when he subbed Hume and kept de Vries on.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Bolton's goal wasn't bad to be fair.</font>

[Londoner]

Do you guys have prem plus?What a rip-off channel that is, why not just wait till football first?

[Astley316]

third :-D and Nakarta played brilliantly after a crappy couple of games, glad speeds okay were gonna need him on thursday in Bulgaria

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">i have ntl so football first doesn't work, i can only watch the featured match :(

Bolton played better second half.</font>

[Astley316]

I thought it was a good game, could have been more goals on either side

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">did you go?

I think we could've had a draw maybe, don't think we did enough to win it. For some reason neither Dejan nor O'Brien could win ANYTHING in the air ahead of Davies and the second ball caused us loads of problems. I can't believe Nolan missed that chance.

The goal looked off side but thats the way our lucks going at the moment so i wont bother whinging about that. Aside from the goal neither side worked the keeper but there was a few moments of panic in each box.

From the looks of it, you've made the pitch smaller for some reason, you could see the lines had been repainted and a few yards had been taken off each end and side. I wonder why that was :?:

Anyway, congratulations on the result.</font>

[Dazz]

Perrin is shit.

[Rob]

That shows how much you know doesn't it?Hmm yeah, I'm sure working off a serious injury as hard as he possibly could is really sitting on his ass right?:roll: Ok so he gets payed alot of money, but what he wants to do is play football.It's not like he would've been enjoying those last 15 months or so.

Shut up you tool. You telling me he didnt enjoy 60k a week and going out and shagging any bird he could? Because that's what he did. Bloke is always injured so I don't wanna hear this arguement.

[Astley316]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">
From the looks of it, you've made the pitch smaller for some reason, you could see the lines had been repainted and a few yards had been taken off each end and side. I wonder why that was :?:

Anyway, congratulations on the result.</font>


Yeah for whatever reason bolton like a small pitch, its the way we play all our prem games, unfortunatly its too small for ueafa standards, so we have to widen the field before ueafa games, so it was prolly those lines that you saw,

no i didnt go, had to give up my season ticket cause im moving to the us in a few months but i watched the game on prem plus, as for the goal being offside, it was close but the linesmen gave the attacker the benefit of the doubt,

[yianni]

ahahahahaha Mackem would be going fucking wild at this point in time with Sunderland finally getting a win!

[LK]

ahahahahaha Mackem would be going fucking wild at this point in time with Sunderland finally getting a win!
I'm waiting for Doink's opinion's on the match. Hell of a free kick from Arca.

[The Mackem]

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Sunderland you fucking beauty

[Dazz]

Still, we beat you 2-0 two weeks ago :cool:

[The Mackem]

Yeah well, we can't win every week Dazz :roll:

[Dazz]

We can :D:D

[Rob]

We can :D:D


No you can't.




Oh wait, you can :(

[Wengerland]

I don't get why Andy Gray was saying the 2nd was controversial, i thought it was quite clearly a free-kick and the foul was before the offside. Peach of a goal though.

[Dazz]

Yeah I didn't think it was controversial either.

[Londoner]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">did you go?

I think we could've had a draw maybe, don't think we did enough to win it. For some reason neither Dejan nor O'Brien could win ANYTHING in the air ahead of Davies and the second ball caused us loads of problems. I can't believe Nolan missed that chance.

</font>

Thanks for buying O'Brien off of us by the way.:)

[Londoner]

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!

Sunderland you fucking beauty

Enjoy it while it lasts mate, you ain't going to win again.

[The Mackem]

We are the best team in the North East so far, TL can't stand it :lol:

Pretty drunk right here :cool:

[yianni]

:D

[Londoner]

We are the best team in the North East so far, TL can't stand it :lol:

Pretty drunk right here :cool:


Notice we are above you, infact were 10th i think.:cool:

[The Mackem]

North East League

Sunderland 3
Middlesbrough 0
Newcastle 0

*note figures = points. Goal difference is not a factor in league*

[Londoner]

We are yet to play you guys, so like I said, enjoy it while it lasts.:)

[Y2Ant]

Marko you silly drunken fool :(

Portsmouth are going down this saturday :cool:

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Lua Lua is out for a while with sodding malaria.

Jesus fucking Christ. NAE LUCK</font>

[Dazz]

But he is shit

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">you think Henri Camara is good

shut up</font>

[Wengerland]

Saw one of the misses of the season tonight, from Brighton's Dean Hammond. Put it wide from about 4 yards out. Our finishing wasn't much better unfortunately :(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Oh yeah :cool:

[Londoner]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Lua Lua is out for a while with sodding malaria.

Jesus fucking Christ. NAE LUCK</font>


He's hardly a striker to rely on is he?But again, thanks for buying him off of us aswell.:)

Hope he gets better though, is malaria treatable?

[Londoner]

Saw one of the misses of the season tonight, from Brighton's Dean Hammond. Put it wide from about 4 yards out. Our finishing wasn't much better unfortunately :(


Who was the striker that one of the brighton fans brought?I found that kinda funny that a fan was able to buy a player.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">yeah, he got rushed to hospital and was in an isolation ward, its not life threatening but its pretty serious apparently but he's stable now so we'll just have to see how long it takes.

I think he's improved since he left you, he's been one of our best players. He's frustrating sometimes when he tries to take on too many people when its easier to pass but when he really turns it on he's absolutly immense and he takes the piss :$</font>

[Rob]

By the way, I was at Old Trafford last night sitting amongst the "united fans" and not the tourist prawn sandwitch lot who are meant to go on Saturdays. After the game, all I heard was "the crowd was great" and "they sang Ferguson's name" and the rest. Bullshit. Only Arsenal are quieter. It's like chairs dressed as people. Aside from the odd "United!" chant now and again, silence. They never once sung Ferguson's name either.

As for talk about the team. They seem to forget we have one of what would normally be our back four. They also speak out their arses. For a start, they don't like Darren Fletcher yet all he does is run his heart out trying but they love Paul Scholes who, in my opinion, is way past his best and hasn't won a tackle in 3 years. If Scholes gets tackled and then goes to get the ball back... guaranteed foul.

Talk about 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 formations is shite. We are Manchester FUCKING United. If we can't put out 11 players who can play in any formation like class players then they don't deserve to be playing. Simple as that. Right now, defence is shite and the midfield ain't much better. Neither can win a freaking tackle. Yeah we got a result but Chelsea or any top European team would have smashed us last night.

Until we get the players (and we need at least 2 more and Ballack or Gattuso would be beyond awesome), we ain't winning shit.

[Dazz]

Which stand were you in, The one near the away fans is dismal for atmosphere, so are the north and south stands. The Stretford end probably isn't much better but you can't really hear them from the away fans position.

But yeah Fergie should really be able to put out a good formation.

[Dazz]

Fucking hell lads. If I was Jose I'd fucking tell them to play it down our right hand side, Traore is fucking hopeless. We need to be looking at taking off Essien too, I think he has been class, but we need two up front, Hyppia and Carragher have it too easy right now.

We'll fucking win this, just Jose better know what he is doing, 55-60 minutes and sort it out Jose, get Joey Cole on for the last 15-20 too, and Wright-Phillips, their full backs aren't good enough, we should be annhilating them down the flanks.

COME ON LADS.

[Rob]

Which stand were you in, The one near the away fans is dismal for atmosphere, so are the north and south stands. The Stretford end probably isn't much better but you can't really hear them from the away fans position.

But yeah Fergie should really be able to put out a good formation.

I was in the East Stand top tier. It was the noisest stand purely because when the Benfica fans started to sing, we tried to match them. Rest of the stadium was pin drop atmosphere.

Formation isn't a problem. We have done in off and on for years and nobody noticed. Maybe we lost to Blackburn because our defence and midfield can't tackle to save their lives. I'd give my left nut to have Quinton Fortune back now, nevermind the regulars!

[Dazz]

When we played you the East Stand Lower tried to sing, they didn't do a good job tbh and by half time they didn't sing again I don't think.

I think your first eleven is as good as anyones, when Keane and Scholesy are playing well that is. But to be fair I don't rate Silvestre, I reckon Brown should play more then him, and I don#t rate Neville.

Van Der Sar

Neville Ferdinand Brown Heinze

Ronaldo Keane Scholes Giggs (or Park)

Rooney
Van Nistelrooy

Thats what I'd play if everyone was fit and in form. I reckon you just need a new centre back in the summer, and Smith needs to learn to play in midfield. I don't buy this whole players can't adjust to a different position, Gudjohnsen played better in midfield then up front for us. if you play a 4-5-1 then at least play Smithy in the middle of the park so he can learn off Keane and Scholes.

[The Mask]

By the way, I was at Old Trafford last night sitting amongst the "united fans" and not the tourist prawn sandwitch lot who are meant to go on Saturdays. After the game, all I heard was "the crowd was great" and "they sang Ferguson's name" and the rest. Bullshit. Only Arsenal are quieter. It's like chairs dressed as people. Aside from the odd "United!" chant now and again, silence. They never once sung Ferguson's name either.

As for talk about the team. They seem to forget we have one of what would normally be our back four. They also speak out their arses. For a start, they don't like Darren Fletcher yet all he does is run his heart out trying but they love Paul Scholes who, in my opinion, is way past his best and hasn't won a tackle in 3 years. If Scholes gets tackled and then goes to get the ball back... guaranteed foul.

Talk about 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 formations is shite. We are Manchester FUCKING United. If we can't put out 11 players who can play in any formation like class players then they don't deserve to be playing. Simple as that. Right now, defence is shite and the midfield ain't much better. Neither can win a freaking tackle. Yeah we got a result but Chelsea or any top European team would have smashed us last night.

Until we get the players (and we need at least 2 more and Ballack or Gattuso would be beyond awesome), we ain't winning shit.

you're kidding aren't you? most united fans generally agree both scholes AND fletcher are shit. You'd think he was shit too if you weren't a jock in exile.

[The Mask]

I think our only real problem is creativity. We're missing a lot in midfield but the thing that's really apparently to me is that we never get any dangerous balls played in. Every goal I seem to remember thus far this season is either Ruud catching onto a rebound or someone else taking a screamer from out of nowhere. We got like 3 shots on target a match if we're lucky, and none of them look like bonafide chances to me.

[Ogen]

Paddy Powers are paying out on Chelsea winning the leauge already. Mental bastards.

[Ogen]

http://www.paddypower.com/bet

[El Capitano Gatisto]

you're kidding aren't you? most united fans generally agree both scholes AND fletcher are shit. You'd think he was shit too if you weren't a jock in exile.

United fans are fucking morons.

Fletcher is a class player.

[Rob]

United fans are fucking morons.

Fletcher is a class player.

You said it.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

What I've also said is - I'm gutted Roy Keane couldn't convince Fletcher to opt for Ireland. Fletcher is a ready-made replacement for him.

[Astley316]

well did anyone else see the game on channel 5?

we were lucky, the own goal eqauliser oppened things up enough for nobby to nick the winner on the night, dont care how we get through just that we did, tho we'll prolly get murdered in the group stages, lol

[The Mask]

What I've also said is - I'm gutted Roy Keane couldn't convince Fletcher to opt for Ireland. Fletcher is a ready-made replacement for him.

replacement for keane? you're having a fucking laugh. If fletcher had half the balls keane does I wouldn't be here complaining.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

replacement for keane? you're having a fucking laugh. If fletcher had half the balls keane does I wouldn't be here complaining.

You are complaining because you are an idiot. I can remember Roy Keane well from his early days at Forest, and Fletcher is already a better footballer at that age. He's got the same astonishing engine and driving runs style, and he's fearless in the tackle, but has better ability on the ball and is an excellent passer.

[Wengerland]

Who was the striker that one of the brighton fans brought?I found that kinda funny that a fan was able to buy a player.

That'd be Colin Kazim-Richards from Bury, he had a trial with us and i wish we'd got him, looked quite useful on Tuesday. I hope Brighton get that new ground cause they really are a good side footballing wise, much better than QPR on Saturday anyway.

Heard about Paddy Power paying out on Chelsea, the mentalists.

I saw about an hour of the Bolton game (or just past whenever Plovdiv scored) then fell asleep and that's not a dig about boring football or anything, i was just knackered :$ How did you think Walks did? I saw he flapped at and nearly conceded from a corner, which reminded me of a few occasions, but little chance with the goal.

[Astley316]

He pulled off a greate save about five minutes from the end, apart from that he was okay, must be something about Bolton, Fred Barber(our goal keeping coach) and corners because Jussi flaps on corners, does he stay does he go, and i saw a few of the same things from walker overall, he's a decent back up much better then poole , also like you said lil chance with the goal, was no ones fault but our own for sitting back, not happy with the performence just happy were through

[LK]

United fans are fucking morons.

Fletcher is a class player.
:y: :y: :y:

[The Mask]

is he fuck class. The best i've seen of him can only be described as decent. John O Shea was class as a youth too, and now he adds fuck all to the team. Liam Miller was probably a future star too a few seasons ago, now he's failing to impress in the reserves.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

is he fuck class. The best i've seen of him can only be described as decent. John O Shea was class as a youth too, and now he adds fuck all to the team. Liam Miller was probably a future star too a few seasons ago, now he's failing to impress in the reserves.

Fletcher can win the ball, put in excellent crosses, keep possession, track back, get forward all in one neat package. He's been Man of the Match for me on a number of occasions for Manchester United.

Contrast that to Cristiano Ronaldo, who you cream over, who is inconsistent, wasteful and generally has fuck all end-product for all the flashy build-up. Aside from a run of goals towards the end of last season, his general contribution to Manchester United's play is to sky the ball over the bar, gift possession to the opposition or put in a shite cross.

Still think he'll be a great player, but I'd rather have a player who's going to help the team win games on a regular basis. Strangely, Ronaldo seems to play an awful lot better for Portugal, who incidentally can make that 4-3-2-1 formation work.

Liam Miller wasn't really a future star a few years ago. He suffered badly from injuries in his early years and didn't get a chance until a loan spell in Norway, then he came back and played some great football in the Champions League.

[The Mackem]

Holy shit was that a broken neck or jaw or what, Everton/Bucharest.

[Rob]

Fletcher can win the ball, put in excellent crosses, keep possession, track back, get forward all in one neat package. He's been Man of the Match for me on a number of occasions for Manchester United.

I've yet to see that boy duck a challenge yet or run out of energy. Might not the crazy style tackler but he gets the job done. I have yet to see one match report where he was rated less than a 7/10 too.

And I definately agree about Man United fans. The majority are fucking knobheads.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Sam Allardyce wants to keep himself in the frame for when the England job is available - with the Bolton boss insisting it is a "myth" that foreign managers are better.

Allardyce has forged a superb reputation at the Reebok Stadium by taking his club into Europe, and he has been linked with the national job when Sven-Goran Eriksson eventually stands down.

"If people consider me for it, yes, I would be very interested indeed," he told FourFourTwo magazine. "I'd love to be interviewed, but I have to keep doing well to get in the frame."

He added: "When Roy Hodgson started at Blackburn he was held up as an Englishman who'd learned all the better stuff abroad and should manage the national team.

"Eighteen months later he was sacked and never heard of again. It's a myth, anyway, that foreign managers are better.

"We've created this image that they do it much better than us but we're on a par - in some cases we do things better."

Eriksson was criticised for changing his formation for the defeat to Northern Ireland recently, but Allardyce defended David Beckham's new role in central midfield.

"He was excellent in that role," Allardyce said.

"Beckham wasn't anything but a success. The amount of ball he had was huge. The problem was the ones he was passing to."

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For the love of God someone shut this man up.

[Dazz]

Good old Fat Sam, or Sam Allerderci as he'd like to be known.

He just can't stop with the whole foreign managers get more praise :lol:

[Wengerland]

Birmingham's Emile Heskey could make an England return against Austria at Old Trafford next Saturday. (Telegraph)

GET IN

Darren Bent should start after his performances, but Bruno deserves a place in the squad.

Conceded a late equaliser against Derby, hadn't done that in a while.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Jesus Christ, Newcastle fans you are lucky you have Shay Given.

We played some sexy football today, I cannot believe we did not win that.</font>

[yianni]

Sunderland just did the 1-0 right on halftime.

[Y2Ant]

sexy football Pricey

[Y2Ant]

And I definately agree about Man United fans. The majority are fucking knobheads.
couldn't agree more :cool:

[Rob Ban Fan]

"There was a fluency about their play that was unrecognisable to regular watchers. Maybe it was their new formation, which was about as fluid as it gets. Total Football comes to Fratton."

-The Telegraph

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">Pompey= the new Ajax :cool:</font>

[Rob Ban Fan]

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/748973

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http://barca.sportenter.co.il/gallery/cruyff/Ajax1.gif

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">ahhhhhh Birmingham</font>

[Cactus Sid]

I love Xabi Alonso :cool:

[Wengerland]

Pretty shit that Danny Murphy and Scott Parker are left out of the England squad in favour of Jenas and Smith.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">saw these chants posted on another message board that were apparently sang last weekend, i dunno how true they are but they're not bad :$

Park Park, Wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country,
but it could be worse,
you could be scouse
eating rats in your council house

and to the tune of that Artful Dodger/Craig David song:
Van-Pers-ie, when the girl says "no" - molest her

:'(</font>