NFL 2005 Season Thread

[Gonzo]

LOL @ Seahawks/Giants game

Like 4 false starts in a row. RIDICULOUS

Yeah I don't know what the fuck was going on. That was fucking unbelievable. For a moment I was wondering what the fuck was going on because Coughlin was really arguing with the referee so it led me to believe the calls were suspect, just because you can't really argue a false start, it either happens or it doesn't.

Either way its unexcusable, Petitgout is a decent blocker but for fucks sake the man is retarded.

[Rain Man]

LOL anyone see Michael Irvin's interview on Monday Night Countdown.. "It wasn't my pipe it was a friend of mines.. I took it from him" LOL!!

[road doggy dogg]

lol Lions fired Mariucci. Why not just address the real problem and get rid of Millen

[OssMan]

LOL Marvin Harrison

[AlphaBean]

With Harrington at QB, Mooch should have had 2 rings by now.

[Vastardikai]

Last Tuesday, someone told me that the team that was gonna beat Indianapolis was Pittsburg. I hope I see that guy again for one reason...

Vastardikai: :| :) :D :lol: :rofl:

Ouch. 26-7...

[Nervous Ferret]

WOO SEAHAWKS

[Joey Slugs]

LOL anyone see Michael Irvin's interview on Monday Night Countdown.. "It wasn't my pipe it was a friend of mines.. I took it from him" LOL!!

Yeah, I saw it & I believe him. He has gone through enough shit to blow it all now.

[Joey Slugs]

The Colts will not lose this season.

[Joey Slugs]

With Harrington at QB, Mooch should have had 2 rings by now.

and with that receiving corp?

[AlphaBean]

The Colts will not lose this season.

They will lose against a beatable team, and it will be hilarious.

Or, when they wrap up home-field, they will start backups for the final 3 games of the season.

[RP]

Bob Sanders

[AlphaBean]

TBH, I don't think it's fair. The Colts haven't even sweated while playing very good teams. They haven't even so much as flinched against anyone. What the hell is this? They should be tested for Steroids. All of them. The playoffs this year will be so boring, it will be "Who loses to the Colts" and "Who will win the right to lose to the Colts in the superbowl?"

Unless, of course, Manning proves, once again, that he cannot win in January.

Also, do you think Wayne has any chance of being a #1 WR? I mean Peerless Price thought he was #1-worthy... and Wayne is one of Manning's 5 top targets... not hard to get stats with him.

[RP]

Cato June

[Crimson]

Is Fitzpatrick the next great Rams qb?

Trent Green--> Kurt Warner--> Marc Bulger--> Fitzpatrick?

[Joey Slugs]

Is Fitzpatrick the next great Rams qb?

Trent Green--> Kurt Warner--> Marc Bulger--> Fitzpatrick?

from HA-VAD

[The Outlaw]

lol Lions fired Mariucci. Why not just address the real problem and get rid of Millen


Exactly.

ROFL

Gregg Bell, of the Associated Press, reports the Seattle Seahawks were told by the NFL that referee Larry Nemmers made a couple errors in the Week 12 game against the New York Giants. The NFL said touchdown catches by Giants TE Jeremy Shockey and WR Amani Toomer should not have been ruled completions.

[Gonzo]

I can agree with them saying that Shockey's play wasn't a touchdown but Toomer definitely got his catch. His left foot was planted in bounds and his right toe dragged the back of the endzone all while maintaing possession. Shockey's was quite questionable and I even thought so during the game but Toomer definitely caught the ball and got his feet in.

[Gonzo]

From ESPN.com

The NFL on Tuesday defended two touchdown calls by officials during the Seattle Seahawks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sea) 24-21 overtime win against the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg) on Sunday.

Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren had said Monday that the league had admitted officiating errors to the team.

"I had a conversation with the league, and there were mistakes that were made, which we felt at the time," said Seattle coach Mike Holmgren.
The league, however, strongly denied any second-guessing about two Giants touchdown passes.

"The report that the NFL informed the Seahawks of officiating mistakes on two Giants touchdown receptions is inaccurate," the league said in a statement.

"Our officiating department never discussed with the Seahawks the Amani Toomer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3516) touchdown reception, which was properly called. The Jeremy Shockey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5900) touchdown catch at the end of the first half was not overturned because the referee determined that there was insufficient visual evidence to reverse the call."

Holmgren's disclosure as a potential violation of league policy, which says that a coach is not allowed to publicly divulge confidential conversations with the officiating department, ESPN's Chris Mortenson reported. Holmgren may be subject to a fine and his access to the officiating office could be restricted for a limited amount of time.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2241040

[AlphaBean]

From ESPN.com

The NFL on Tuesday defended two touchdown calls by officials during the Seattle Seahawks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sea) 24-21 overtime win against the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg) on Sunday.

Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren had said Monday that the league had admitted officiating errors to the team.

"I had a conversation with the league, and there were mistakes that were made, which we felt at the time," said Seattle coach Mike Holmgren.
The league, however, strongly denied any second-guessing about two Giants touchdown passes.

"The report that the NFL informed the Seahawks of officiating mistakes on two Giants touchdown receptions is inaccurate," the league said in a statement.

"Our officiating department never discussed with the Seahawks the Amani Toomer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3516) touchdown reception, which was properly called. The Jeremy Shockey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5900) touchdown catch at the end of the first half was not overturned because the referee determined that there was insufficient visual evidence to reverse the call."

Holmgren's disclosure as a potential violation of league policy, which says that a coach is not allowed to publicly divulge confidential conversations with the officiating department, ESPN's Chris Mortenson reported. Holmgren may be subject to a fine and his access to the officiating office could be restricted for a limited amount of time.

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2241040

THANK GOD those touchdowns were upheld.

Who knows what the outcome of the game would have been otherwise.

[Gonzo]

THANK GOD those touchdowns were upheld.

Who knows what the outcome of the game would have been otherwise.

I was just saying because Outlaw posted otherwise. I found it interesting the NFL would say the calls were incorrect then pull a 180 and state the opposite.

Oh and I don't know if anyone caught it, but I was watching ESPN News I think and Dre' Bly was saying how he has been frustrated ever since joining the Lions. Then whoever was interviewing him asked him if he had to blame one person who would it be, he responded with the quarterback, saying that whenever a team does bad the QB position is looked at first and that the QB hasn't been playing well. Ouch.

[The Miz]

Dre Bly suspended for conduct detrimental to the team

[Gonzo]

Doesn't surprise me at all. My response while watching that was just like fine or suspension or something.

[The Miz]

I was joking, I doubt the Lions are that pussy

[VonErich Lives]

I was joking, I doubt the Lions are that pussy

Would anything Millen does really shock you?

I mean, clearly he's the worst GM in the NFL, the firing of Mooch was just horrible.

His first coaching choice was bad, his drafting has been bad, his free agency has been bad... How the heck he got an extention is beyond me.

It will be interesting to see what coach ends up there... Would a top coach really want the job knowing what you have to deal with? Or will someone go just for a big pay day?

As for Mooch... Stl could be a nice fit for him.

[RP]

I was joking, I doubt the Lions are that pussy


If Harrington walked up to Dre Bly in the lockeroom and cold cocked him, he would become my second favorite quarterback next to Peyton Manning, despite himself. But he wont because he's a giant vagina.

[road doggy dogg]

Would anything Millen does really shock you?

I mean, clearly he's the worst GM in the NFL, the firing of Mooch was just horrible.

His first coaching choice was bad, his drafting has been bad, his free agency has been bad... How the heck he got an extention is beyond me.

It will be interesting to see what coach ends up there... Would a top coach really want the job knowing what you have to deal with? Or will someone go just for a big pay day?

As for Mooch... Stl could be a nice fit for him.

Only reason Millen's still around is 'cause he's up Ford's ass and they won't get rid of him. It sucks

[RP]

Jimmy Johnson.

[VonErich Lives]

If Harrington walked up to Dre Bly in the lockeroom and cold cocked him, he would become my second favorite quarterback next to Peyton Manning, despite himself. But he wont because he's a giant vagina.

or maybe he won't because he knows it's true?

He was the #3 pick and hasn't done shit and they've done nothing but try and give him offense around him.

Didn't Garcia also say something?

[AlphaBean]

Would anything Millen does really shock you?

I mean, clearly he's the worst GM in the NFL, the firing of Mooch was just horrible.

His first coaching choice was bad, his drafting has been bad, his free agency has been bad... How the heck he got an extention is beyond me.

It will be interesting to see what coach ends up there... Would a top coach really want the job knowing what you have to deal with? Or will someone go just for a big pay day?

As for Mooch... Stl could be a nice fit for him.

If martz can't make it back, STL would be perfect IF they wanted to go that way... I think maybe he should try going to Baltimore to give a defensive team some offensive life? Though lord knows Billick is an offensive genius, so who knows.

All I know is that if Joey tried punching Dre Bly, he'd miss. Wait, Bly's a D-Back... maybe he'd land one to the D-Back, or his Fullback, but never one of his receivers.

[AlphaBean]

Would anything Millen does really shock you?

I mean, clearly he's the worst GM in the NFL, the firing of Mooch was just horrible.

His first coaching choice was bad, his drafting has been bad, his free agency has been bad... How the heck he got an extention is beyond me.

It will be interesting to see what coach ends up there... Would a top coach really want the job knowing what you have to deal with? Or will someone go just for a big pay day?

As for Mooch... Stl could be a nice fit for him.
If martz can't make it back, STL would be perfect IF they wanted to go that way... I think maybe he should try going to Baltimore to give a defensive team some offensive life? Though lord knows Billick is an offensive genius, so who knows.

All I know is that if Joey tried punching Dre Bly, he'd miss. Wait, Bly's a D-Back... maybe he'd land one to the D-Back, or his Fullback, but never one of his receivers.

[VonErich Lives]

Dunno, Wadding may know better, but everything I'm hearing is there's some bad blood (no pun intended) between Martz and the owner and he wont be back.

[AlphaBean]

Hey, come on, don't fire Martz... he's got a good heart... :lol:

Oi veh, that's worse than the Stroke joke.

[BCWWF]

People in St. Louis generally don't like Martz either

[AlphaBean]

Hey man, when your kicker is hurt so you go for it? Or you go for an onside kick when you're up three TDs, you're the man and need to be respected.

[RP]

or maybe he won't because he knows it's true?

He was the #3 pick and hasn't done shit and they've done nothing but try and give him offense around him.

Didn't Garcia also say something?


It doesnt matter. What has Dre Bly done? Who the fuck is Dre Bly to call out one person and blame that one person for the shitty ass team the Lions have. Oh lets not talk about how horrible there Offensive line is. Lets brush under the rug how horrible Jeff Garcia was in the preseason , before he got injured and also how shitty he is after coming back. Ofcourse when Garcia is in there they will roll out the O line excuse, but if Harrington is in there they say its because he sucks, because its easy to take shots at Harrington. Somewhere down the line it became the popular thing. No one ever talks about Millens shitty attemp to build a decent offensive line for Harrington. No one talks about the fact that Williams and Rodgers have missed damn near 20 games combined and there 1st round pick last year hadnt played football in almost 2 years. Never mind the fact that they used a 1st round pick on a runningback that cant run between the tackles if his life depended on it and should be considered nothing more then a glorified kick returner and not a star running back. I didnt hear any of this coming from Dre Bly's mouth. Nope just Joey Harringtons fault. Fuck Dre Bly. He's a fucking bitch. He needs to be punched in the face for saying stupid shit like that.

Oh where was Jeff Garcia's backbone when T.O was calling him gay? Yes lets start Jeff Garcia. The guy that on the Thanksgiving game, saw a flag get thrown and proceeded to loft the ball directly in the air as if he was tossing a 20 yard hail mairy from his own 30. Only to be intercepted and " luckily" called defensive pass interference. What a moron. Harrington is a better QB period.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Take a look at the QBs that have come out of Joey Harrington's college and you might notice a pattern.

[Skippord]

Dre Bly suspended for conduct detrimental to the team

I think you should be able to talk shit about your quarterback if their

A)Retarded
B)A Browns Player
C)Joey Harrington

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Take a look at the QBs that have come out of Joey Harrington's college and you might notice a pattern.
Well not his college, but his college coach. I forget most the examples but I know one of them is Kyle Boller. I heard Aaron Rodgers was doing horrible in Green Bay camp, but I guess you can't really say anything until he actaully plays a snap in the NFL.

[RP]

I dont think Boller or Rodgers went to Oregon. I may be wrong on this , but i think Boller went to Iowa and Rodgers went to Cal.

[RP]

Oh nm you said College coach. My bad.

[AlphaBean]

It doesnt matter. What has Dre Bly done? Who the fuck is Dre Bly to call out one person and blame that one person for the shitty ass team the Lions have. Oh lets not talk about how horrible there Offensive line is. Lets brush under the rug how horrible Jeff Garcia was in the preseason , before he got injured and also how shitty he is after coming back. Ofcourse when Garcia is in there they will roll out the O line excuse, but if Harrington is in there they say its because he sucks, because its easy to take shots at Harrington. Somewhere down the line it became the popular thing. No one ever talks about Millens shitty attemp to build a decent offensive line for Harrington. No one talks about the fact that Williams and Rodgers have missed damn near 20 games combined and there 1st round pick last year hadnt played football in almost 2 years. Never mind the fact that they used a 1st round pick on a runningback that cant run between the tackles if his life depended on it and should be considered nothing more then a glorified kick returner and not a star running back. I didnt hear any of this coming from Dre Bly's mouth. Nope just Joey Harringtons fault. Fuck Dre Bly. He's a fucking bitch. He needs to be punched in the face for saying stupid shit like that.

Oh where was Jeff Garcia's backbone when T.O was calling him gay? Yes lets start Jeff Garcia. The guy that on the Thanksgiving game, saw a flag get thrown and proceeded to loft the ball directly in the air as if he was tossing a 20 yard hail mairy from his own 30. Only to be intercepted and " luckily" called defensive pass interference. What a moron. Harrington is a better QB period.

Question:

When was Joey Harrington?

Another question: When was Jeff Garcia?

Not trying to make excuses... but Garcia has played in two pro bowls, has set records, and has come a long way. Joey pretty much had the world handed to him. Is he getting a rough time of things, since Millen is an idiot and refuses to put money into that line? Maybe. But as far as toughness goes, I'll pick Garcia.

[VonErich Lives]

Oh where was Jeff Garcia's backbone when T.O was calling him gay?

What was he supposed to do? "Oh no, you called me gay, let's fight", no he did the right thing, he ignored it.

Speaking of bone's, he had his in this at the time.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Carmella_DeCesare_GC34.jpg

[AlphaBean]

She's not good enough for Terrell Owens. Rosenhaus would make him hold out for someone hotter.

[RP]

Actually Garcia was tapping that. And i cant really argue that, but Garcia is still horrible.

[AlphaBean]

Anyone that hot with anyone that gay is obviously a beard. And yeah, if you're going to argue Garcia is better, you probably think BJ is better than Pep... and if that's the case, I have a knife with your name on it. I wrote your name in magic marker. :love:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Going to the G-Men game tomorrow.....cannot wait</font> :love:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Going to the G-Men game tomorrow.....cannot wait</font> :love:

[RP]

Gunna be a shitty ride home when the Cowgirls smash'em

[OssMan]

snowing in NJJJJJJJJJJJJJ

[VonErich Lives]

Snow would I think, give the edge to the Giants cause they have a better running game, but if there's a QB you want in the snow (after Brady) Bledsoe is top the list.

[VonErich Lives]

Snow I would think, gives the edge to the Giants cause they have a better running game, but if there's a QB you want in the snow (after Brady) Bledsoe is top the list.

[RoXer]

Feely keeps the game alive for the Cowboys!

[RoXer]

But they can't capitalize :(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Fuck Ron Dayne

Mike :love:

[VonErich Lives]

and the clock management award goes to Julius Jones..

WTF, get out of bounds for go down... way to cost your team a shot at the game...

and LMFAO at Buffallo... up 3 TD's in the first and blow the game! Phins actually have a decent shot at the division...

[VonErich Lives]

oh, this is in no way a "Rumor" was just Peter King talking, he was on the local sports station this morning and was asked "If no one gives Martz a head coaching job, what do you think about him coming to New England as OC".

King said he could see that because Belicheck respects few people on the offensive side of the ball as much as he respects Martz, and it would free Belicheck to focus more on Defense.

dunno, how I feel about that idea, as long as someone remind Martz the Pats have a running back and to use him 20-30 times a game.

[RP]

Steve Smith's TD celebration was without a doubt the best i've seen this year.

[Team Sheep]

Is the Pats/Jets game on TV in the North-Eastern area? If so, how are the Jets getting on? Seems like they're doing alright at the moment, 6-3 Pats HT.

[RP]

Its pretty much like a couple of retards in a wheelchair fight right now

[Team Sheep]

Damn, 13-3. :(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants :love:

Was at the game, amazing environment. Hella cold, but still</font> :cool:

[CNM]

Well the Chiefs won their Super Bowl. Celebrated like it too. Too bad there won't be playoffs for you, bitches.

[OssMan]

Roy Williams is the biggest sack of shit I have ever seen. Every single game he makes a horsecollar tackle. He tried one on Tiki today and he got pretty much shrugged off but came really close to falling on him the wrong way.

[Gonzo]

Well the Chiefs won their Super Bowl. Celebrated like it too. Too bad there won't be playoffs for you, bitches.

Don't be a sore loser or anything.

[LoDownM]

Well the Chiefs won their Super Bowl. Celebrated like it too. Too bad there won't be playoffs for you, bitches.

:rofl:

Too bad there will only be 1 playoff game for you, bitches.

And even if there is more then one, that'll be 3 years in a row you'll lose to the Colts.

[Gonzo]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/MOCR10312042305.jpg

[CNM]

Better than not making the playoffs at all. The Chiefs are toast anyway. trINT is old, their OL is old, their WRs suck and Vermeil will retire. Say hello to mediocrity Chorfs.

[RP]

Jay Feeley is officially on job watch

[LoDownM]

Hmm...All the oldness and we still beat you. So, I guess Old > Young.

[RP]

And Julius Jones is still looking for his brain

[FearedSanctity]

For Gonzo...



http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_189080.jpg

http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_189046.jpg


:)

[CNM]

Hmm...All the oldness and we still beat you. So, I guess Old > Young.

Yeah by 4 points in Arrowhead with the Chorfs season on the line. As I recall, the Broncos kicked some Chorf ass earlier in the season.

[RP]

Larry Triplett

[Gonzo]

Hey that was last week baby, tough loss but we bounced back this week.

[FearedSanctity]

Eh, true. We'll bounce back next week too though. We get the Ravens in Denver :y:

[RP]

If your QB wasnt playing like Jake PLummer today , you'd probably be 10-2

[CNM]

He made some plays but the INT into the endzone was pathetic. Gotta be smarter than that.

[RP]

In other words. He played like Jake Plummer.

[RP]

I think this Chargers Raiders game will be hot. I mean, the west division is definetly the hottest division in the league right now. I think the Raiders will bring it.

[FearedSanctity]

In other words. He played like Jake Plummer.

Pretty much, yeah. Bell better get more carries next week though

[Joey Slugs]

9-3 baby!

"Bear down, Chicago Bears....."

[RP]

I had no idea L.T was " legitimate" until ESPN's crack color commentating team said he was.

[Skippord]

poor John Lynch getting screwed over again

[OssMan]

hey check out the poll on azcardinals.com

[Joey Slugs]

hey check out the poll on azcardinals.com

:rofl: is that all they have left?

[VonErich Lives]

So, if the pats drop one (say Tampa Bay) and then drop to Miami and could lose the division.

Heck, if we're gonna lose, might as well get a better pick! :)

But, they'll probably make the playoffs... will host the first round game and anything is possible in NE in the winter.

The defense looked good yesterday, and Dillon back are both good keys for the playoffs... I still don't see them going far, but they should be able to make it to round #2.

Now, the NFL isn't a set bracket, whoever is the worst team each around plays the best team each round. My question is (cause I can't remember)...

Let's say: Indy & Cincy get byes.
Denver & NE host in round #1.
Denver hosts SD
NE hosts Jacksonville.

Now, if SD beats Denver & NE beats Jacksonville.

Who goes to Indy in round #2?

Would it be NE who has the worst record between SD and NE
or
Would it be SD who would be the lower seed #?

My thought is it would be SD that goes to Indy because they're the lower seed # and even though NE has a worse season record they would still be a Division champ where SD is a Wild Card...

anyone know the answer?

[CNM]

It's the lower seed. Record gets throw out the window. BTW, Denver will get a bye, not Cincy. Just letting you know.

[VonErich Lives]

It's the lower seed. Record gets throw out the window. BTW, Denver will get a bye, not Cincy. Just letting you know.

there tied, no head to head so I assume it goes to confrence... right now cincy is 6-3 and denver is 6-2.

looking at the final 4 games

Cinci
Clevland
@ Detroit
Buffallo
@ KC

Denver
Baltimore
@ Buffallo
Oakland
@ SD

SD
Miami
@ Indy
@ KC
Denver

Never mind might you not get the Bye, you might not even get the divison.

Right now, I think you'll probably win the Division and good shot at the Bye, but it's not a given.

If SD can pull it off in Indy, they'll probably run the table which would most give them the Divison.

[CNM]

SD is severely overrated. Yes they're a good team, but people let them off the hook for losing games they should have won. They're not going to win at both the RCA Dome and Arrowhead.

[VonErich Lives]

SD is severely overrated. Yes they're a good team, but people let them off the hook for losing games they should have won. They're not going to win at both the RCA Dome and Arrowhead.

That's where I'd put my money, but it's still possible.

Last year they were a paper team that got exposed in the playoffs, I haven't looked at the breakdown this year of the teams they beat.

That being said, Cinci still has a good shot at the bye.

[The Outlaw]

I think this Chargers Raiders game will be hot. I mean, the west division is definetly the hottest division in the league right now. I think the Raiders will bring it.

Your predictions suck.

[RP]

Your predictions suck.


Yah it did.

I like how the Raiders came out fired up like they had something to play for then when Gates scored that TD they where like " we surrender "

[RP]

Tonights game is gunna be hot. I'm cheering for the Eagles because i changed my pickem pick to regain a tie with Detroit Binions in the Pickem League

[Mr. Monday Morning]

*Bions

[RP]

who is Detroit Bions anyways? I was thinking RDD .

[The Miz]

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES

[RP]

Ty/ Koy ( who cares ) Detmer will lead the greatest comeback ever in the second half.

[AlphaBean]

That's where I'd put my money, but it's still possible.

Last year they were a paper team that got exposed in the playoffs, I haven't looked at the breakdown this year of the teams they beat.

That being said, Cinci still has a good shot at the bye.

Shawne Merriman is the greatest linebacker of all time. He will make Ray Lewis look like Dimitrius Underwood.

[AlphaBean]

Lights Out will have 20 tackles, 4 sacks, a forced fumble which he will pick up himself and score two touchdowns on the same play, plus maybe 12 interceptions in the Superbowl, when he singlehandedly defeats the rest of the Chargers due to all NFC teams refusing to face him.

[RP]

Ty/ Koy ( who cares ) Detmer will lead the greatest comeback ever in the second half.


la la la~

[Skippord]

It's the lower seed. Record gets throw out the window. BTW, Denver will get a bye, not Cincy. Just letting you know.

Dude it was fucking ridiculously cold today it'd be funny to watch a game played in this shit :rofl:

[CNM]

LOL not only cold, but the wind gusts were crazy. The kicks would have looked like the ones from the Bears game a few weeks back.

[Skippord]

WE had a god damn fire drill today too sucked.the kicks would be like a Jay Feely kick

[DaveWadding]

there tied, no head to head so I assume it goes to confrence... right now cincy is 6-3 and denver is 6-2.

looking at the final 4 games

Cinci
Clevland
@ Detroit
Buffallo
@ KC

Denver
Baltimore
@ Buffallo
Oakland
@ SD

SD
Miami
@ Indy
@ KC
Denver

Never mind might you not get the Bye, you might not even get the divison.

Right now, I think you'll probably win the Division and good shot at the Bye, but it's not a given.

If SD can pull it off in Indy, they'll probably run the table which would most give them the Divison.

Hey VEL, what happened to all that shit from earlier in the season "SD is a paper team" blah blah blah. You're a bigger fuckin flip flopper than your boy Kerry.

P.S. The "breakdown" of the W-L records of the teams the Bolts have beat is 37-47. gg

[AlphaBean]

I bet you're a flip flopper when (if) you run, Wadding. :lol:

[Skippord]

Cinci is fucked on that last day of the season though

[VonErich Lives]

Hey VEL, what happened to all that shit from earlier in the season "SD is a paper team" blah blah blah. You're a bigger fuckin flip flopper than your boy Kerry.

P.S. The "breakdown" of the W-L records of the teams the Bolts have beat is 37-47. gg

Wadding really, just STFU and go away, every few months you make a post trying to rip me, w/o actually reading what I wrote and just make yourself look like a bigger idiot each time.

Mathematically, it is possible for SD to win the division, but if you read what I said I don't think that will happen.

Last year they were a paper team that got exposed in the playoffs, I haven't looked at the breakdown this year of the teams they beat.

So, I'm still saying that LAST YEAR they were a paper team and I'm not saying if I think they are or aren't a paper team this year.

Total record of the teams they beat has little to do with it.

The question is, how many teams with winning records did the beat and how many teams with winning records did they lose to. Also, THE SEASONS NOT OVER YET!

Really, it's like you're the sports/discussion forum version of Rhi.

[AlphaBean]

Well, tbh, I'm sure Rhiannon gets more vagina...

OTOH, she has smaller boobies. So, who knows.

Chargers R 4 Reel, bro. Remember when Igor Olshansky tore up the bench press last year? :love: Love that defense. So underrated. :rant:

[VonErich Lives]

Well, tbh, I'm sure Rhiannon gets more vagina...

OTOH, she has smaller boobies. So, who knows.

Chargers R 4 Reel, bro. Remember when Igor Olshansky tore up the bench press last year? :love: Love that defense. So underrated. :rant:

There real test is the next 4, or more importantly the last 3.

If they go 1-3 beating Miami but droping 3 in a row to Indy, KC, Denver then they'd be like 3-6 this year vs teams with winning records. Not as bad as last year, where I think they were like 2-4 against teams with winning records.

That and if you call them a paper team or not, Marty always has problems in the playoffs... Denver, KC, SD... Is it possible that every single time he just "didn't have the better team" yeah, but sometimes the best team doesn't win, it's the team that plays harder, the team that has better coaching, no way player for player, talent for talent was the 2001 Pats better then the 2001 Rams, but they out coached and out played them.

[DaveWadding]

Wadding really, just STFU and go away, every few months you make a post trying to rip me, w/o actually reading what I wrote and just make yourself look like a bigger idiot each time.

Mathematically, it is possible for SD to win the division, but if you read what I said I don't think that will happen.



So, I'm still saying that LAST YEAR they were a paper team and I'm not saying if I think they are or aren't a paper team this year.

Total record of the teams they beat has little to do with it.

The question is, how many teams with winning records did the beat and how many teams with winning records did they lose to. Also, THE SEASONS NOT OVER YET!

Really, it's like you're the sports/discussion forum version of Rhi.

Wah wah, baby want his bottle? Or is booby gonna make it through the night?

And hey, if you want to get into name calling, you're the sports/discussion forum version of SuperSlim. No wonder you love me so much.

and hey, if you want to get TECHNICAL, I went and researched your definition of a "paper team" (
How can you say they're a paper team when they just hammered their last two opponents?
<DIR>Because last year they were 2-4 against good teams and 9-1 bad teams.
</DIR>) and then calculated it your way: 3-3 vs "good" teams (> .500 Winning%) and 5-1 vs. "bad" teams (.500 or worse winning %)

So, either way, I'm right.

[CNM]

BTW VEL, Marty never coached the Broncos. Maybe you're thinking of all the times they (specifically John "GOAT" Elway) kicked his ass in the playoffs.

[RP]

Dan Reeves

[RP]

Marty Schottenhiemer, Dan Reeves, same thing.

[CNM]

Well pretty much I guess, but at least Dan's teams got to some Super Bowls. Marty's never will.

[AlphaBean]

There real test is the next 4, or more importantly the last 3.

If they go 1-3 beating Miami but droping 3 in a row to Indy, KC, Denver then they'd be like 3-6 this year vs teams with winning records. Not as bad as last year, where I think they were like 2-4 against teams with winning records.

That and if you call them a paper team or not, Marty always has problems in the playoffs... Denver, KC, SD... Is it possible that every single time he just "didn't have the better team" yeah, but sometimes the best team doesn't win, it's the team that plays harder, the team that has better coaching, no way player for player, talent for talent was the 2001 Pats better then the 2001 Rams, but they out coached and out played them.

That reminds me...

Was it you who mentioned the possibility of Martz coordinating for the Pats next year? I want to know why Bill respects Martz so much... I just don't see it. Nobody should respect that putz.

[RP]

Pats are 2-5 against teams with winning records.

[AlphaBean]

Pats are 3/4 in superbowls in the last 10 years.

[Skippord]

Well pretty much I guess, but at least Dan's teams got to some Super Bowls. Marty's never will.

Why do you hate Marty Schottenheimer :shifty:

[VonErich Lives]

BTW VEL, Marty never coached the Broncos. Maybe you're thinking of all the times they (specifically John "GOAT" Elway) kicked his ass in the playoffs.

Yeah, I meant Cleveland. The "Kosar" era.

[VonErich Lives]

Pats are 2-5 against teams with winning records.

That's a "paper team" record so far, no question about it, I just don't think of them as a "paper team" because they're not having a "great year".

If they win out, then they'll be 11-5, and 3-5 against good teams, yeah, that'll be a paper team record.

Although I don't think they're going to win out, Wouldn't shock me to see Tampa Bay run it down their throat at home.

Dosen't mean I don't root for them, want them to win and think "they could" but I know the team they have this year. They'll most likely make the playoffs and a win at home vs. Jacksonville wouldn't shock me... but winning at Indy, Denver or Cinci would be a stretch.

[VonErich Lives]

Ok, going to do this a little backward, but want to get the football stuff first.


and hey, if you want to get TECHNICAL, I went and researched your definition of a "paper team" (
) and then calculated it your way: 3-3 vs "good" teams (> .500 Winning%) and 5-1 vs. "bad" teams (.500 or worse winning %)

So, either way, I'm right.

What exactly are you right about? That week #4 I called SD a paper team based their schedule last year?

That I didn't say they were a paper team this year, but didn't say they weren't since the season isn't over yet! You do understand they have 4 games left? You do understand the season isn't over right?


Now, onto you being a complete fucking idiot!
Wah wah, baby want his bottle? Or is booby gonna make it through the night?


Could you show me what I was crying about? I pointed out every time you try and rip me, you fail miserably and then when you're called on it, you disapear.


And hey, if you want to get into name calling

Did you read your post? You did notice you were the one who started the name calling, I know, you're going to try and pull the "someones disagrees with you so you called them names", no, you made a post calling me a flip-flopper and something about Kerry and tried to use something I said against me, when what I said never changed. I'd say "nice try" but it was a really bad try, you could have done better, ok, actually, you probably couldn't as we're about to see you demonstrate.

you're the sports/discussion forum version of SuperSlim. No wonder you love me so much.

First of all that made little sense, unless of course you consider yourself to be a deaf 16y old girl who send topless pictures over the net (someone check bean's HD)

Second I don't love you, like most people on here I feel sorry for you which is why so many people cut you a break. You father molested you or your mother beat you so you had to go live with another relative and you have down syndrome and you "can't loose weight" although I'm sure you try.... etc... etc....

If you're going to try and Rip someone, do a better job, find something where I actually flip-flopped and then when you get called a name back don't cry about it and try and make your name calling make sense rather then calling yourself a 16yr old deaf girl!

Such as when I screwed up and said Marty coached Denver when it was Cleveland, or like RP pointed out the patriots have a horrible record against good teams this year and have basiclly just beat up on their shitty division and if it was still a 3 division confrence the Pats wouldn't make the playoffs most likely!

Anyway, this is the point where you'll go hiding again and pretend this never happened or get someone to respond for you.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

who is Detroit Bions anyways? I was thinking RDD .

Y2Aaaaaaaaant

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cinci is fucked on that last day of the season though
After dropping 37, 42, and 38 three straight weeks against top 10 defenses, I really don't think that's too accurate a statement.

[CNM]

Scoring won't be a problem but the Chorfs are unstoppable at Arrowhead in December. Since their season will be likely be on the line, they'll probably find a way to win.

[DaveWadding]

Ok, going to do this a little backward, but want to get the football stuff first.



What exactly are you right about? That week #4 I called SD a paper team based their schedule last year?

That I didn't say they were a paper team this year, but didn't say they weren't since the season isn't over yet! You do understand they have 4 games left? You do understand the season isn't over right?

Did you even look at the stats I posted or were you licking your chops at the thought of writing an essay to insult me in some way? 3-3 vs. "good" teams and 5-1 vs. "bad" teams to this point. Looks like a "paper team" record to me. Yes, VEL, I realize the season isn't over. I'm not a retarded chimp like you seem to treat everyone else, just because your favorite teams have won a few titles. It's okay. Chill.


Now, onto you being a complete fucking idiot!


Could you show me what I was crying about? I pointed out every time you try and rip me, you fail miserably and then when you're called on it, you disapear.

Well, there's the fact that you wrote this essay, personal insults and all, just because I called you out on SD having a similar record to what they had last year when you called them a "paper team". Can we say "sore loser"? BTW, I'm going to disappear now. *poof*



Did you read your post? You did notice you were the one who started the name calling, I know, you're going to try and pull the "someones disagrees with you so you called them names", no, you made a post calling me a flip-flopper and something about Kerry and tried to use something I said against me, when what I said never changed. I'd say "nice try" but it was a really bad try, you could have done better, ok, actually, you probably couldn't as we're about to see you demonstrate.

*poof* AW SHIT, HE'S BACK FOR MORE. (yes Bean, that's what they say at the all you can eat buffet whatever. Moving on....) THEY HAVE A SIMILAR RECORD YOU FUCKIN MONGOLOID. and you still think that they'll make the playoffs over quite a few superior teams in the conference still, and have yet to back up your "paper team" claims on any level.



First of all that made little sense, unless of course you consider yourself to be a deaf 16y old girl who send topless pictures over the net (someone check bean's HD)

Second I don't love you, like most people on here I feel sorry for you which is why so many people cut you a break. You father molested you or your mother beat you so you had to go live with another relative and you have down syndrome and you "can't loose weight" although I'm sure you try.... etc... etc....

If you're going to try and Rip someone, do a better job, find something where I actually flip-flopped and then when you get called a name back don't cry about it and try and make your name calling make sense rather then calling yourself a 16yr old deaf girl!

Such as when I screwed up and said Marty coached Denver when it was Cleveland, or like RP pointed out the patriots have a horrible record against good teams this year and have basiclly just beat up on their shitty division and if it was still a 3 division confrence the Pats wouldn't make the playoffs most likely!

Anyway, this is the point where you'll go hiding again and pretend this never happened or get someone to respond for you.

First, you yourself proved my own point. Rhiannon is 16. SuperSlim acquired picture of the deaf whale who was 16. You are SuperSlim on the basis that you have a cyber crush on someone you try to call "Rhi" (that would be me, of course. Just in case you got lost, GW) because I mean, otherwise, what would be the point of writing an essay like this? I hate to remind you, but it's the internet. Me calling you out over whether or not San Diego is a "paper team" is not the end of the world.

BTW, good job at trying to demean me by telling me what people supposively think of me and what you think my problems were in the past. Some people (you may not realize this) pick themselves up and dust themselves off and get the fuck over their problems. If you want to cripple yourself emotionally over shit that happened in your childhood, that's cool. But you're a grown fuckin man, get over it.

In case I need to make this point for the FIFTH time for you to comprehend it: you're a flipflopper because you label SD as a playoff contender when you called them a "paper team" last year when they had similar records.

PS: I could care less what you and RP were conversing about. Me life does not revolve around the things you say on this messageboard.

[RoXer]

Shut up the both of yuhs

[VonErich Lives]

Wadding the rest of your babble makes little sense. So, I'm just trying to clear up the football issue for you.

Last year they were a paper team that made the playoffs and endedup losing in round #1 Being a "paper team" doesn't mean you don't make the playoffs. It's possible via simple math that they could make the playoffs, I never said they would! I said it was possible using math.

I never flip flopped, the season still is not over, and if they go on a tear in the final 4 games, then you can't say they were a "paper team".

Really, now just go away.

[RP]

Scoring won't be a problem but the Chorfs are unstoppable at Arrowhead in December. Since their season will be likely be on the line, they'll probably find a way to win.


Colts beat them in Arrowhead 2 years ago in december..or january. i forget.:shifty:

[RP]

I had two football thoughts today.

1) Koren Robinson is gunna be huge in Minnesota. I think he's gunna be there number 1 reciever.

2) I have a funny feeling the Colts and Pats will meet again this season.

[DaveWadding]

Wadding the rest of your babble makes little sense. So, I'm just trying to clear up the football issue for you.

Last year they were a paper team that made the playoffs and endedup losing in round #1 Being a "paper team" doesn't mean you don't make the playoffs. It's possible via simple math that they could make the playoffs, I never said they would! I said it was possible using math.

I never flip flopped, the season still is not over, and if they go on a tear in the final 4 games, then you can't say they were a "paper team".

Really, now just go away.

Whatever. If I went away, I bet next time I challenged you on something you would say I "ran away". You really need to get a life buddy. You are like 35 years old, and yet you post on a board that is mainly high school and college kids and still fail miserably at it.

[VonErich Lives]

Whatever. If I went away, I bet next time I challenged you on something you would say I "ran away". You really need to get a life buddy. You are like 35 years old, and yet you post on a board that is mainly high school and college kids and still fail miserably at it.

whatever Dave, really, you're just making yourself look like a bigger and bigger ass (insert Alphabean comment here), just try and stick to the topic and try and know what you're talking about.

[RP]

( insert Alphabean comment here also. And in my next 10 posts for good measure )

[VonErich Lives]

I had two football thoughts today.

1) Koren Robinson is gunna be huge in Minnesota. I think he's gunna be there number 1 reciever.

2) I have a funny feeling the Colts and Pats will meet again this season.

I agree on the first one and he's going to make their other WR better and with a healthy Pep next year and a new coach..

On the 2nd, yeah... if both home teams win in round #1, then the Pats would most likely go to Indy in round #2. It's still possible for the Pats to get a #3 seed or even a #2 and a bye, but it requires the pats to win out and just about everyone else to lose.

[VonErich Lives]

( insert Alphabean comment here also. And in my next 10 posts for good measure )


"Vikings rule"

:p

[RP]

I'm sorry did i say the Pats? I'm so clumbsy. Replace Pats with Phins. Again, very sorry.

[DaveWadding]

whatever Dave, really, you're just making yourself look like a bigger and bigger ass (insert Alphabean comment here), just try and stick to the topic and try and know what you're talking about.

Wait. If I know nothing the way you seem to think, then why do you care so much? Besides, if you're the one with all the knowledge, and I'm not, but you're the one that continually disputes the things I post, well, wouldn't that make you look like an ass (or someone with a huge self-esteem problem...trying to make yourself feel superior to people who you see as inferior)?

This, of course, is ignoring the fact that we all know you look like an ass.

[DaveWadding]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/photos/VonErich%20Lives%20-%20Untitled-35.jpg

??

[VonErich Lives]

Dave, would you please try explaing WTF your point is?

I mean, have you been spaking off to a picture of me from 5yrs ago or something, or was your goal just to try and completely ruin the NFL thread?

[DaveWadding]

Dave, would you please try explaing WTF your point is?

I mean, have you been spaking off to a picture of me from 5yrs ago or something, or was your goal just to try and completely ruin the NFL thread?

The point is your a sweaty ugly loser who scares away Hooters girls and this he knows everything because he posts on a messageboards with people a fraction of his age and likes teams that have won a few championships in recent years.

[VonErich Lives]

I'm sorry did i say the Pats? I'm so clumbsy. Replace Pats with Phins. Again, very sorry.

Heh, to be honest... that wouldn't SHOCK me either.

What would make it tough is the Phins would most likely need a win outright.

So, they'd have to go either 3-1 with the Pats 0-4 of 4-0 and the Pats 1-3.

If they tie, they most likely would have split the head to head, the pats would most likey still have a lead in Div record and/or AFC record...

So, I think the only real shot if for the Phins to finish in front of the Pats and I just can't see the Pats dropping 3 of 4 to Tampa (@NE), Buffalo, Miami (@NE) and NYJ.

Especially with Dillon back... now, shut Dillon down for the year, then who knows...

[VonErich Lives]

The point is your a sweaty ugly loser who scares away Hooters girls and this he knows everything because he posts on a messageboards with people a fraction of his age and likes teams that have won a few championships in recent years.

ok, dave, whatever... it's clear I somehow hit a nerve and this is your way of dealing with it, whatever helps you.

Mind if the rest of us get back to talking football now?

[AlphaBean]

( insert Alphabean comment here also. And in my next 10 posts for good measure )

:lol:

:love:

[AlphaBean]

OK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD GUYS. CUT IT OUT.

One of you needs to be the bigger man, here.

[AlphaBean]

:rofl: oh man, I crack me up. :love: me.

Gonna go rep myself.

[LoDownM]

Colts beat them in Arrowhead 2 years ago in december..or january. i forget.:shifty:

It was in Januray :)

[RP]

Wasnt any warmer

[VonErich Lives]

:rofl: oh man, I crack me up. :love: me.

Gonna go rep myself.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'd rep you, but it won't let me!

:kiss:

[VonErich Lives]

So, when they setup this "dome" in KC, who will decide if/when it stays open? Like, if KC his hosting and AFC championship game and it's cold and snowing and they have say Miami coming to play can they leave the roof open?

[OssMan]

So glad the Giants new stadium is not going to be a dome. They say "enclosed oval" which is kind of like Heinz Field is like. I dunno.

[VonErich Lives]

So glad the Giants new stadium is not going to be a dome. They say "enclosed oval" which is kind of like Heinz Field is like. I dunno.

yeah, I can see an argument for a retractable roof, so a new stadium gets the revenue of a superbowl. But, I like the elements effecting football, it changes the way some teams are built, North East teams typically are built on running games.

[Gonzo]

Yeah dude I think it would ruin part of the mystique of the Meadowlands if they built a dome there. I don't know it kind of sucks that they have to build a new stadium anyways but I guess you have to keep your facilities updated.

[AlphaBean]

Another sports-talk station in the Detroit area, WXYT, has played a part in stirring up the fans' unrest this week, too.
After Garcia's weekly segment on WXYT ended Monday, callers responded by saying it sounded like he was making excuses. That compelled Garcia's girlfriend, Carmella DeCesare, to call the station to defend him.

:rofl: I want to hear that.


"Listen, Jeff has a huge cock, and he gives oral like he's been doing it for 50 years. You know nothing about Jeff."


"Uh, we're talking about football."


"My pussy is so wet."



:wtf:

[RP]

She seriously said that? WoW. I cant believe she's with that goon.

[AlphaBean]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No she did not say that... ROFL. I just imagined it in my head... cause she seems like just a big gay slut. Kind of like him.

I couldn't imagine her making ANY sense WHATSOEVER, especially since Garcia's performance was unforgiveable.

[RP]

you know.. If Garcia is tapping that good enough for her to be calling radio shows and defending his honor... He's probably not gay.

[AlphaBean]

You don't know the whole story.

"CARMELLAAAAAAA THEY'RE BEING MEAN TO ME, PLEASE CALL THEM YOU GOTTA IM GONNA CRYYYYYYYYY CARMELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE :'("

[RP]

I bet Jeff Garcia has a fucking huge cock.

[RP]

I bet half the Lion team has fucked her also.

[AlphaBean]

You can see the AIDs lesions on his face in his pics, you know he's a cum guzzler. Maybe they like to compete to see how many Lions players they can fuck.

[RP]

Garcia ~ GOD DAMMIT JOEY! YOU ONLY COUNT AS ONE POINT. GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!

[AlphaBean]

Jeff: "COME ON JOEY, RIGHT IN THE MOUTH, GET ME BABY"

Joey: "OH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHH TAKE IT BITCH"

Dre Bly: "WHAT THE FUCK? Joey why you gotta always hit D-Backs? ALWAYS? GOD you suck. Man, nigga, all over my gucci sweater, too. :foc:"

[RP]

~ Garcia is open , Harrington is about to shoot his load straight down his throat. INTERCEPTED!!!!!!!!!! Carmela Decesare is running the other way with Harrington's load in her mouth! TOUCHDOWN HOES!~

[AlphaBean]

TOUCHDOWN HOES! hahahahaha that should be someone's status.

Anyway, I bet Jeff's load just kinda dribbles out, rather than shooting. He just can't get any force behind his shots. :nono:

[Skippord]

Why has this become the funniest thread I've read in forever

also I bet Bly has fucked Garcia in the ass mouth and hand

[VonErich Lives]

heard that Tom Donahoe has a call in show on a sports radio station in Buffalo, someone called in and asked him if he would save the Bills the trouble of firing him and just quit.

I would have loved to hear that one.

[Excellance of Execution]

heard that Tom Donahoe has a call in show on a sports radio station in Buffalo, someone called in and asked him if he would save the Bills the trouble of firing him and just quit.

I would have loved to hear that one.

This is from yahoo: Later in the day, Donahoe had a testy reaction when a caller to his weekly radio show asked if he "could save Bills' fans a little pain by possibly resigning."

Donahoe replied: "We really do not encourage those kind of calls on this show. There's certainly other radio stations in this town that you can call if you want to act like a jerk."

I've been a Bills fan since 88-89, and IMHO I think Donahoe and Mularky have to go. There is alot of political BS going on in the front office right now. Alot of people believe that Donahoe hired Greg Williams and the Mularkey, because they both had never been NFL head coaches, and he would have 'Power' over them. Instead of bringing in a head coach with NFL experiance, who would have control issues with him. Donahoe has had 5-6 years to improve the Bills and has not. We haven't been to the playoff's in that time. About the only thing that he has done good is to straighten out our salary cap.

Now, Moulds is probably going to get suspended. Supposedly, he has been vocal about playcalling among other things. Although not in a TO manner, he has voiced his concerns about things going on. I believe the Bills need to make changes. Donahoe has an assanine approach to the Draft, where he takes the best player available, no matter what the need. I am happy with McGahee, i think he will be a beast, but Donahoe completely neglected the O-line and D-line, which were the biggest needs. Hopefully, they will fire the both of them at the end of the season.

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, I guess Molds was pissed he got benched vs. Miami.

Keep in mind, this is his last year in Buffalo anyway, because he's due like a 10mil bonus.

[Excellance of Execution]

yeah, I guess Molds was pissed he got benched vs. Miami.

Keep in mind, this is his last year in Buffalo anyway, because he's due like a 10mil bonus.

There are conflicting reports on this. One say's he got benched and the other say's he refused to go back it. So who know's? My feeling is, as long as Donahoe and Mularkey are in Buffalo, Mould's will be gone. It's been said before, that Mould's would probably restructure his contract so that he could stay in Buffalo. There is 0 chance in that if those two dipshit's are here.

I'll be the first to admit, that i had high hopes for the Bills this year, but they failed to fix the problems from last year. Most people blamed Bledsoe for being a statue (which to an extent he is), but the O-line was absolutely pathetic last year, and they did practically nothing to fix it. Granted JP is more mobile than Bledsoe, so he can buy time, but how can they expect a
2nd year player, who is getting his first real chance at playing, to do anything without a decent 0-line?

Bottom line is, Donahoe had his chance and he failed. It's time to start fresh.

[The Outlaw]

I had two football thoughts today.

1) Koren Robinson is gunna be huge in Minnesota. I think he's gunna be there number 1 reciever.

2) I have a funny feeling the Colts and Pats will meet again this season.

You also had a feeling UCLA and Cal were both going to beat USC. You also had a feeling that the Raiders were going to pull it off against San Diego.

Quite frankly, your feelings suck.

[RP]

You also had a feeling UCLA and Cal were both going to beat USC. You also had a feeling that the Raiders were going to pull it off against San Diego.

Quite frankly, your feelings suck.

my feelings are hurt

[RP]

Roll Tide Roll!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

RP since you probably know I'll direct this at you - what exactly are the problems the Colts are going to have with the cap after this season? I know James' contract is up but I'm sure he's not the only one. Can they afford him as it stands or is someone going to have to renegotiate (assuming they don't let him go and sign someone else)?

[RP]

From what i know. Edge is obvious. Reggie Wayne is unrestricted free agent. From what i've heard, the Eagles are gunna make a serious run at Reggie. Larry Triplett and David Thorton are restricted free agents. Triplett is probably expendable ( tho i love the guy ) , because of the Corey Simon signing. Thorton probably wont command that much money.

Freeney is under contract , but he has a 5 million dollar escalator in his contract. Probably gunna try to renagotioate.

I've also heard that Jim Irsay is hoping the salary cap rises this year and if so, he will be able to sign these guys. If not. I wouldnt be surprised to see Edge gone.

If Reggie Wayne goes, i'm gunna be really disapointed, but i really dont think Reggie Wayne wants to leave Peyton Manning.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If they do go all the way no doubt people will throw how the Pats have managed the cap in recent years at them. Not surprising though cause it's pretty incredible to win 3 out of 4 while juggling your roster like that.

[RP]

If they do go all the way no doubt people will throw how the Pats have managed the cap in recent years at them. Not surprising though cause it's pretty incredible to win 3 out of 4 while juggling your roster like that.

I think the Colts will be just fine. Almost all there talent is home grown. Bill Polian might be the best in the business at evaluating talent in the draft. I think will be ok

[VonErich Lives]

Doesn't manning count for like 17-18mil on the cap next year? any word if he would renegotiate? or does that cause the remainder of that signing bonus to hit right away?

[RP]

We havent won anything yet btw..

[RP]

Doesn't manning count for like 17-18mil on the cap next year? any word if he would renegotiate? or does that cause the remainder of that signing bonus to hit right away?

I've read that Manning and Harrison are due a nice chunk of the money next season. I dont know if either are gunna renegotiate or not. I wouldnt expect Manning to renegotiate at all. He's worth every penny IMO. People were saying Manning should do it for the better of the team 2 years ago. He didnt and now we are as good as ever. I think alot of trust will be put in the front office to get what needs to be done, done. Plus someone is gunna get franchised. Probably not Edge, most likely Reggie Wayne if the are aloud to franchise unrestricteds???

[VonErich Lives]

I'm pretty sure you can franchise unrestricteds,

If I remember mannings deal, he got like a 34mil bonus (which cap wise breaks over 7yrs, I think it was a 7yr deal), and the first 2 teams of his deal were like 500K to 1mil, because they had cap problems... then it explodes I think next year...

I'm sure they'll figure it out, but a renegotation doesn't mean your not worth it, but in some cases it's worth less money to have a better team, also what they can do is say give him a new deal, with a new bonus and low yearly, so he gets his money upfront, and they can break it over more years at a lower cap hit.

[AlphaBean]

LOL didn't the Bills trade 2 1st rounders for Bledsoe, then trade 2 first rounders for Losman?

Then of course, there's this.

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news55/vike090405.l.jpg

"Why do you think the Bills let you go?"

"Because they're stupid."

:love:

[Excellance of Execution]

LOL didn't the Bills trade 2 1st rounders for Bledsoe, then trade 2 first rounders for Losman?

Then of course, there's this.

http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news55/vike090405.l.jpg

"Why do you think the Bills let you go?"

"Because they're stupid."

:love:
I believe they traded one first rounder for bledsoe. They traded last years first rounder to Dallas and a second for Losman and maybe a fifth although i can't remember exactly. I know it wasn't two either way.

I know we miss Pat Williams, but they felt he was asking to much and they thought he could be replaced, which his replacement Edwards was doing an excellant job until he got hurt and it ended his season. One more reason why Donahoe has to go.

[Gonzo]

Yeah some pretty beastly DT's if you ask me.

[Gonzo]

Want to know who else is beastly? OSI AND MIKE.

[AlphaBean]

I believe they traded one first rounder for bledsoe. They traded last years first rounder to Dallas and a second for Losman and maybe a fifth although i can't remember exactly. I know it wasn't two either way.

I know we miss Pat Williams, but they felt he was asking to much and they thought he could be replaced, which his replacement Edwards was doing an excellant job until he got hurt and it ended his season. One more reason why Donahoe has to go.

You don't trade ANY draft picks for a player who you want to cut, and you definitely don't waste draft picks on his replacement when he's horrible.




Oh and as for Pat? He wasn't asking too much. He can't be replaced. He's the best player on our defense (no offense, Sharper), and Donahoe is stupid. Like Patty said. :love:

[AlphaBean]

Want to know who else is beastly? OSI AND MIKE.

Michael Strahan*

[Gonzo]

Haha yeah anyone remember that commercial where Strahan was on a laptop at the gym looking up the single season sack leader? He was like "Let's see who holds the records for sacks in a season?" then he goes "Oh look! It's Michael Strahan!"

Hilarious.

[AlphaBean]

Remember the commercial with Strahan and Chris Bober?

I don't recall exactly how it goes, but Michael Strahan is a funny guy. I bet he told a joke and made Favre fall down with laughter.

[Excellance of Execution]

You don't trade ANY draft picks for a player who you want to cut, and you definitely don't waste draft picks on his replacement when he's horrible.




Oh and as for Pat? He wasn't asking too much. He can't be replaced. He's the best player on our defense (no offense, Sharper), and Donahoe is stupid. Like Patty said. :love:


It's not like they said "let's trade a first rounder for Bledsoe, then cut him". He was on the team for 3yrs. He was actually the scapegoat because Donahoe couldn't put together a good enough O-line to block for more than 2 seconds. As for J.P., He has shown glimpses. He is having his growing pains, which is good. I do remember Eli and Peyton both having horrible rookie years. Although J.P. isn't a 'Rookie', it is his first year playing. So, i'm not giving up on him yet.

As for Fat Pat, he was a hell of a player for us. I don't see the Vikings shutting anybody down defensively though, so he must not be doing that great. Sometimes you have to let people go in this business. They felt they needed to free up money to be able to resign Clements and McGahee will be needing an extension soon. Do i agree with them letting Pat go? I don't know. He is getting older and you need to sign your younger stars.

He is right though Donahoe is stupid.:y:

[VonErich Lives]

yep, #14th pick, which they flipped for the #13 and took Ty Warren.

[Excellance of Execution]

yep, #14th pick, which they flipped for the #13 and took Ty Warren.
Looks like it worked out well for both teams:lol:

[VonErich Lives]

Looks like it worked out well for both teams:lol:

I remember everyone being shocked when Billicheck delt him to the Bills.

Then everyone figured, Billicheck always gave Bledsoe fits and now he (had) has a QB in his Division that he feels he can beat every time.

"In Bellicheck we trust".

[Gonzo]

Remember the commercial with Strahan and Chris Bober?

I don't recall exactly how it goes, but Michael Strahan is a funny guy. I bet he told a joke and made Favre fall down with laughter.

Yeah yeah one bogus sack. I know I know. That shouldn't go so far as to say he didn't have a great season, considering he often is double teamed.

[Gonzo]

Interesting article I just saw on ESPN by the way. It noted that Strahan, in 13 games against Eagles OT Jon Runyan has 11.5 sacks. Strahan pretty much pwns.

[RP]

I feel pretty sorry for the 72' Dolphins. It seems the more the Colts win the more writers write about how the Dolphins are jackasses. I dont really no how much of that is true. Or how they celebrate and stuff, but they've been getting blasted for there toastes to the final team to lose. O well. 12-0 . Jacksonville will give us one hell of a game this week. Thats a division game and they are a really good team that no one talks about at all. They are gunna be out there to prove something. I would not be shocked if we lost this game, but i think we will be prepared and ready for anything they throw at us.

[el fregadero]

I really want to watch the Colts/Jags game, but it's not gonna be on here. :(

[RP]

I really want to watch the Colts/Jags game, but it's not gonna be on here. :(


I gotta work :(

I'll watch it anyways tho.

Might be the game of the year. People outside Indy and Jacksonville dont know how good this game is gunna be. They'll never see it coming.

[Skippord]

I really want to watch the Colts/Jags game, but it's not gonna be on here. :(

Lets go Jags lets go jags

[Gonzo]

Is Garrard still under the helm for the Jags? They seem to be doing quite well in spite of Leftwich's absence.

[CNM]

Yeah Leftwich is out a few more weeks

[el fregadero]

With respect to Garrard, they played the Browns and won by 6.

[OssMan]

I really want to watch the Colts/Jags game, but it's not gonna be on here. :(
Sports Barz!

[el fregadero]

Good point, too bad I also work when it is on.

[AlphaBean]

As for Fat Pat, he was a hell of a player for us. I don't see the Vikings shutting anybody down defensively though, so he must not be doing that great. Sometimes you have to let people go in this business. They felt they needed to free up money to be able to resign Clements and McGahee will be needing an extension soon. Do i agree with them letting Pat go? I don't know. He is getting older and you need to sign your younger stars.

He is right though Donahoe is stupid.:y:

Don't care about the draft picks, I was just saying... it was funny that they made so many moves.

But about Pat, we are shutting people down. We're now 7-5 on a 5-game winning streak... we're doing a little bit better than the Bills ;), and the one constant has been Pat Williams. He has decimated everyone he's gone against. DT is not a position of speed. It's leverage, strength and technique. You can play DT until you're 40. He was an undrafted free agent who has only been starting a few years, he is still fresh and playing like he was 28. He is a monster, and will be for another 2-3 years at least. You need to sign your best players with smart contracts, regardless of age. You can't always be a young team. The Vikings tried being a young defense and it destroyed them. Now they have Cowart, Sharper, Williams and Winfield on D, and we have been holding teams to like 70 ypg rushing.

So shutting people down? I'd say so. Comparatively, at least. We certainly beat the Giants with 6 yards rushing of our own, didn't we?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Decent <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-notebook120705&prov=yhoo&type=lgns">article</a> on some upcoming free agents. Reading that I'd be surprised, if he's available, if Denver don't go for Wayne instead of trying to pick up TO. Far less hassle and far greater long-term potential.

[CNM]

I wish, but we don't have enough cap room to sign Wayne. The reason why people talk about TO signing here is he's not gonna get a big contract.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Cut Plummer, he makes too many mistakes :shifty:

[Gonzo]

I wish, but we don't have enough cap room to sign Wayne. The reason why people talk about TO signing here is he's not gonna get a big contract.

But you know damn well TO is thinking he deserves one. I think TO is going to be in a huge predicament at the end of the year. Whatever team actually does want to sign him, won't want him to a long and lucrative deal, which TO wants. He is going to get something for the short term, not flashy and thats gonna cause another media shitstorm.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Plus this is Drew "Renegotiate!" Rosenhaus we're talking about.

[Gonzo]

That guy is a joke.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I'd be interested to see a list of his clients actually. Javon Walker can't be the only one who's dumped him in the past couple months.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

lol k, got this from FireDrewRosenhaus.com (not kidding) so it might not be 100% accurate.

Current clients:

Matthias Askew
Yeremiah Bell
Anquan Boldin
Lance Briggs
Phillip Buchanon
Plaxico Burress
Duane Clemons
Cedric Cobbs
Dan Cody
Najeh Davenport
James Davis
Darnell Dockett
Reuben Droughns
Eddie Drummond
Travis Fisher
Jabar Gaffney
Quinn Gray
Barrett Green
Carlos Hall
Chris Hanson
Tommie Harris
Justin Hartwig
Verron Haynes
Larry Izzo
Grady Jackson
Taylor Jacobs
Edgerrin James
Chad Johnson
Jevon Kearse
Kenard Lang
Damione Lewis
Earl Little
Sam Madison
Olindo Mare
Darrell McClover
Bobby McCray
Jerome McDougle
Stockar McDougle
Willis McGahee
Mike McKenzie
Randy McMichael
Willie Middlebrooks
Travis Minor
Vernand Morency
Dan Morgan
Santana Moss
Chris Myers
Kendall Newson
Adewale Ogunlaye
Terrell Owens
Roscoe Parrish
Antonio Pierce
Zach Piller
Will Poole
Clinton Portis
Keiwan Ratliff
Brett Romberg
Warren Sapp
Guss Scott
Jeremy Shockey
Dwight Smith
Paul Spicer
Donte Stallworth
Duane Starks
Marcus Stroud
Fred Taylor
Sean Taylor
Zach Thomas
Billy Volek
Peter Warrick
Kelley Washington
Nate Webster
Andrew Williams

Some pretty big names on there.

[CNM]

He's got the market cornered on all the Miami guys

[Gonzo]

If I had this guy as an agent and saw what he did with the TO situation, I would drop him in a heartbeat. I mean, TO gets enough bad PR himself but Rosenhaus just adds to the troubles. If I was another one of his players I would most certainly give him a call and search elsewhere.

[VonErich Lives]

Like him or not, like Scott Borus for baseball, he gets the job done and gets his guys top $$$.

Look at MCGahee, he got a guy who they didn't know if he'd walk normal again a 1st round pick.

The best was he pushed that Belicheck was scouting him, the truth was Belicheck was there looking at someone else, and McGahee was around and helped out or something...

[Skippord]

Next Question

[BCWWF]

Hey Bean, how about CJ Mosley now? Sid Hartman has been singing his praises for the past two weeks. Watch out!

[AlphaBean]

Let me guess: Sid is saying he's said all along that this CJ Mosley kid is something special? :lol:

I hope they have signature "voice of the team" crap for the emails/newspapers in Madden in the future... we could have Sid saying "I told you so" about everything.

[AlphaBean]

lol k, got this from FireDrewRosenhaus.com (not kidding) so it might not be 100% accurate.

Current clients:

Matthias Askew
Yeremiah Bell
Anquan Boldin
Lance Briggs
Phillip Buchanon
Plaxico Burress
Duane Clemons
Cedric Cobbs
Dan Cody
Najeh Davenport
James Davis
Darnell Dockett
Reuben Droughns
Eddie Drummond
Travis Fisher
Jabar Gaffney
Quinn Gray
Barrett Green
Carlos Hall
Chris Hanson
Tommie Harris
Justin Hartwig
Verron Haynes
Larry Izzo
Grady Jackson
Taylor Jacobs
Edgerrin James
Chad Johnson
Jevon Kearse
Kenard Lang
Damione Lewis
Earl Little
Sam Madison
Olindo Mare
Darrell McClover
Bobby McCray
Jerome McDougle
Stockar McDougle
Willis McGahee
Mike McKenzie
Randy McMichael
Willie Middlebrooks
Travis Minor
Vernand Morency
Dan Morgan
Santana Moss
Chris Myers
Kendall Newson
Adewale Ogunlaye
Terrell Owens
Roscoe Parrish
Antonio Pierce
Zach Piller
Will Poole
Clinton Portis
Keiwan Ratliff
Brett Romberg
Warren Sapp
Guss Scott
Jeremy Shockey
Dwight Smith
Paul Spicer
Donte Stallworth
Duane Starks
Marcus Stroud
Fred Taylor
Sean Taylor
Zach Thomas
Billy Volek
Peter Warrick
Kelley Washington
Nate Webster
Andrew Williams

Some pretty big names on there.

:love: and not ONE Viking on there!

And by the way, my brother tried arguing that Rosenhaus is responsible for TO's shit. No, TO is responsible. You take risks when you sign with Rosenhaus. He's the heavy hitter, he "gets it done."

When you're an amazing player, usually your contract will work itself out. Everyone else needs to go to a special Agent who can milk it. Like when you need corrective surgery, like when you need money fast... you take risks. Surgery could kill you, short-term loans will destroy your credit. And when you sign with Rosenhaus, you have to be prepared for a holdout. Terrell Owens doesn't know how to hold out. He's getting a bad rap because of one client; and remember -- it's just one client.

[RP]

If i had any football talent. I'd take him as my agent. The argument that Rosenhause is resposible is just dumb. If TO is not getting paid, Rosenhause isnt getting paid. Its pretty simple. And considering Drew has had way more success then he has had failure. I would say T.O screwed T.O.

[RP]

I think Rosenhause has cornered the market on Florida period.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

<a href="http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=mh-fftw-week14&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&league=fantasy/nfl">Link</a>

And, since we're on the topic of disgruntled players, the latest reports have Terrell Owens dumping agent Drew Rosenhaus. Owens would be the second marquee player to fire Rosenhaus in a week. Javon Walker, who threatened a holdout before reporting to the Packers, dismissed the outspoken agent last week.

:wtf:

[RP]

Is that the right link?

[CNM]

Scroll down a little bit

[BCWWF]

Don't get too excited Bean, apparently Lawrence Mulroney is set to sign with him upon the completion of the year

[AlphaBean]

Maroney is a bitch, that gap-toothed wannabe Bush. We all know Barber is the real deal. Maroney will be the second coming of Bennett, and he will never wear purple unless it's in Baltimore. :foc:

[BCWWF]

Marion Barber III is the man, no doubting it.

I agree thuogh, Maroney is a bit overhyped

[RP]

Bob Sanders

[AlphaBean]

Would get stiff-armed to the ground by one Marion Barber IIV

[Skippord]

Would get stiff-armed to the ground by one Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell/Ron Dayne


:)

[AlphaBean]

Ron Dayne would swallow him whole, shit him out and swallow him again.



UGH it smells like stale fried chicken in here. Why do the fucking night shift people ALWAYS EAT FRIED CHICKEN.

[RP]

Corey Simon will score a 70 yard interception return tommorow.

[AlphaBean]

Darren Sharper will have approximately 12 interceptions today vs the Rams.

[AlphaBean]

...15 of them will be returned for TDs.

[Skippord]

YES I HATE THE RAMS

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Couple interesting articles for you guys to peruse

From profootballtalk.com

CAP COULD MOVE TO $95 MILLION

Early word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.

Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.

The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the Redskins are at $112 million.

Despite a serious purge in 2005, the Titans are at $102 million.

The Falcons are a hair under $102 million, and the Bucs are at $100 million.

The other teams currently north of the anticipated spending limit are the Fins ($97 million) and the Steelers ($96 million).

At the other end of the spectrum, the Browns are at only $61 million and the Cardinals are at $62 million. The Vikings are at $68 million, giving them yet another offseason with more than $20 million on hand in an effort to upgrade the roster.

The Packers are $70 million and the Bengals are at $71 million.

At $71 million, the Seahawks have plenty of room to sign running back Shaun Alexander, if they so choose.

The Chargers also are at $71 million, which means they can keep both Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, if they so choose.

The Niners are at $74 million, and the Bears and Jags are at $75 million.

The folks within $20 million of the expected cap are as follows: Rams ($76 million); Ravens ($77 million); Texans ($78 million); Saints ($82 million); Bills ($82 million); Lions ($83 million); Eagles ($85 million); Giants ($89 million); Cowboys ($90 million); Pats ($92 million); Colts ($92 million); and Panthers ($93 million).

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Free agents as of November 13th, again from profootballtalk - looks like you might've missed a couple RP

AFC East

New England: WR David Givens; G Stephen Neal; OT Tom Ashworth; WR Tim Dwight; WR Troy Brown; QB Doug Flutie; FB Heath Evans; RB Mike Cloud; WR Andre' Davis; TE Christian Fauria; S Michael Stone; LB Matt Chatham; CB Hank Poteat; LB Don Davis; K Adam Vinatieri; CB Chad Scott; WR Cedric James.

Miami: C Seth McKinney; FB Sammy Morris; OL Stocker McDougle; OL Alonzo Ephraim (RFA); QB Sage Rosenfels; WR Bryan Gilmore; RB Travis Minor; S Lance Schulters; LB Jason Glenn; S Yeremiah Bell (RFA); LB Nick Rogers; CB Kiwaukee Thomas; WR David Boston; WR Kendall Newson.

Buffalo: C Trey Teague; WR Sam Aiken (RFA); QB Shane Matthews; LB Angelo Crowell (RFA); CB Nate Clements; DE Ryan Denney; DT Justin Bannan; LB Mario Haggan (RFA); LB Josh Stamer (RFA); LS Mike Schneck; CB Kevin Thomas; DT Ron Edwards.

New York Jets: G Jonathan Goodwin; OT Scott Gragg; QB Vinny Testaverde; QB Kliff Kingsbury (RFA); DT James Reed; DE John Abraham; LB Kenyatta Wright; TE Chris Baker.

AFC North

Pittsburgh: WR Antwaan Randle El; QB Charlie Batch; WR Quincy Morgan; OT Barrett Brooks; TE Jerame Tuman; WR Sean Morey; RB Verron Haynes; DE Kimo von Oelhoffen; CB Ike Taylor (RFA); S Chris Hope; CB DeShea Townsend; LB Brett Keisel; LB Clint Kriewaldt.

Cleveland: WR Antonio Bryant; OT L.J. Shelton; C Mike Pucillo; TE Aaron Shea; DE Orpheus Roye; LB Andra Davis; LB Ben Taylor; CB Leigh Bodden (RFA); DT Ethan Kelley (RFA); LB Orlando Ruff; CB Ray Mickens; P Kyle Richardson; S Antwan Harris.

Cincinnati: FB Jeremi Johnson (RFA); WR Kevin Walter (RFA); G Scott Kooistra (RFA); TE Matt Schobel; QB Jon Kitna; FB Nick Luchey; WR Kelley Washington (RFA); TE Tony Stewart; S Ifeanyi Ohalete; DE Carl Powell; LB Marcus Wilkins; S Anthony Mitchell; CB Reggie Myles; CB Rashad Bauman; LB Hannibal Navies; RB Kenny Watson; LB Nate Webster.

Baltimore: RB Jamal Lewis; WR Patrick Johnson; TE Randy Hymes; OT Tony Pashos (RFA); TE Darnell Dinkins;QB Anthony Wright; RB Ovie Mughelli (RFA); RB Chester Taylor; TE Daniel Wilcox (RFA); RB Musa Smith (RFA); TE Terry Jones; DE Anthony Weaver; DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu; LB Tommy Polley; LB Bart Scott; S Chad Williams; S Will Demps; DE Jarret Johnson (RFA); DT Aubrayo Franklin (RFA); CB Dale Carter; CB Deion Sanders; P Dave Zastudil; K Aaron Elling (RFA).

AFC South

Indianapolis: WR Reggie Wayne; FB James Mungro; RB Edgerrin James; WR Troy Walters; WR Aaron Moorehead (RFA); DE Raheem Brock; LB David Thornton; LB Gary Brackett (RFA); LB Cato June (RFA); DT Larry Tripplett; DE Robert Mathis (RFA); LB Rob Morris; S Joseph Jefferson; S Gerome Sapp (RFA); LB Keith O'Neil (RFA); K Mike Vanderjagt; OT Makoa Freitas (RFA); LB Rocky Calmus; WR Brad Pyatt (RFA).

Jacksonville: G Vince Manuwai (RFA); OT Mike Pearson; C Dennis Norman; OT Ephraim Salaam; TE George Wrighster (RFA); WR Cortez Hankton (RFA); RB LaBrandon Toefield (RFA); LB Akin Ayodele; S Deke Cooper; CB Kenny Wright; DE Marcellus Wiley; DT Rob Meier; LB Tracy White (RFA); LB Tony Gilbert (RFA); CB Terry Cousin; LB Jamie Winborn.

Houston: WR Corey Bradford; WR Jabar Gaffney; WR Derick Armstrong (RFA); OT Seth Wand (RFA); G Fred Weary; G Milford Brown; OT Victor Riley; TE Matt Murphy; RB Jonathan Wells; QB Dave Ragone (RFA); LB Shantee Orr (RFA); LB Dashon Polk; LB Antwan Peek (RFA); LB Frank Chamberlin; LB Troy Evans; CB Jason Bell; S Ramon Walker; LS Bryan Pittman (RFA).

Tennessee: C Justin Hartwig; DE Kyle Vanden Bosch; LB Brad Kassell; S Tank Williams; LB Rocky Boiman; S Donnie Nickey (RFA); CB Tony Beckham; LS Jon Dorenbos (RFA).

AFC West

Denver: WR Charlie Adams (RFA); RB Ron Dayne; DT Monsanto Pope; DT Demtrin Veal (RFA); LB Patrick Chukwurah; LB Keith Burns; S Sam Brandon; DE Marco Coleman; TE/LS Mike Leach.

Oakland: OT Chad Slaughter; G Corey Hulsey; TE Zeron Flemister; RB Omar Easy; WR Randal Williams; LB Grant Irons; S Jarrod Cooper; DT Terdell Sands; DT Edward Jasper; LB DeLawrence Grant; LB Tim Johnson; CB Reynaldo Hill; S Reggie Tongue; CB Charles Woodson; DT Kenny Smith.

Kansas City: WR Chris Horn (RFA); OT Jordan Black (RFA); FB Tony Richardson; WR Marc Boerigter; QB Todd Collins; QB Damon Huard; DT Lional Dalton; DE Jimmy Wilkerson (RFA); DE Carlos Hall; CB DeWayne Washington; TE/LS Kendall Gammon.

San Diego: G Kris Dielman (RFA); QB Drew Brees; WR Reche Caldwell; WR Kassim Osgood (RFA); G Bob Hallen; TE Justin Peelle; FB Andrew Pinnock (RFA); DE DeQuincy Scott; DE Jacques Cesaire (RFA); LB Ben Leber; LB Matt Wilhelm (RFA); LB Stephen Cooper (RFA); CB Jamar Fletcher; S Clinton Hart (RFA); LB Carlos Polk; OT Courtney Van Buren (RFA).

NFC East

Dallas: OT Torrin Tucker (RFA); WR Peerless Price; OT Ethan Brooks; TE Dan Campbell; LB Scott Fujita; S Keith Davis (RFA); LB Scott Shanle (RFA); LB Eric Ogbogu; S Willie Pile (RFA); S Lynn Scott; DT Willie Blade.

Philadelphia: T Jon Runyan; WR Darnerian McCants; RB Lamar Gordon; TE Chad Lewis; RB Reno Mahe (RFA); DE N.D. Kalu; LB Keith Adams; DE Juqua Thomas; LB Zeke Moreno; S Quintin Mikell (RFA); CB Roderick Hood (RFA); K Jose Cortez; P Dirk Johnson (RFA).

Washington: TE Robert Royal; G Ray Brown; TE Brian Kozlowski; RB Rock Cartwright; S Ryan Clark; DT Cedric Killings (RFA); DE Demetric Evans; LB Khary Campbell; LB Warrick Holdman; S Omar Stoutmire; CB Ade Jimoh (RFA); LS Ethan Albright.

New York Giants: WR Tim Carter; WR David Tyree (RFA); OT Bob Whitfield; TE Visanthe Shiancoe (RFA); QB Tim Hasselbeck; WR Willie Ponder (RFA); TE Sean Berton (RFA); RB Chad Morton; DT Kendrick Clancy; LB Nick Greisen; CB Will Allen; DT Kenderick Allen (RFA); CB Frank Walker (RFA).

NFC North

Minnesota: WR Nate Burleson (RFA); C Melvin Fowler; RB Michael Bennett; WR Koren Robinson; G Toniu Fonoti; C Cory Withrow; QB Shaun Hill; RB Moe Williams; LB Keith Newman; LB Sam Cowart; S Corey Chavous; CB Brian Williams; DE Lance Johnstone; CB Ralph Brown; LB Raonall Smith; K Paul Edinger; S Willie Offord.

Chicago: G Terrence Metcalf; OT John St. Clair; C Roberto Garza; TE John Gilmore; QB Jeff Blake; TE Gabe Reid (RFA); LB Hunter Hillenmeyer (RFA); CB Jerry Azumah; LB Marcus Reese (RFA).

Detroit: OT Jeff Backus; G Kyle Kosier; C Brock Gutierrez; G Tyrone Hopson; TE Casey Fitzsimmons (RFA); QB Jeff Garcia; FB Paul Smith; RB Shawn Bryson; WR Troy Edwards; RB Artose Pinner (RFA); DE Cory Redding (RFA); LB Earl Holmes; LB James Davis (RFA); CB Andre' Goodman; S Terrence Holt (RFA); CB R.W. McQuarters; DE Jared DeVries; DE Kalimba Edwards; LB Wali Rainer; S Bracy Walker; S Vernon Fox; LB Nate Wayne; WR Kevin Johnson.

Green Bay: C Mike Flanagan; FB William Henderon; G Grey Ruegamer; OT Kevin Barry; QB Craig Nall; RB Tony Fisher; DE Aaron Kampman; DT Grady Jackson; DE Kenny Peterson (RFA); LB Paris Lenon; K Ryan Longwell; LS Rob Davis; RB Najeh Davenport; RB Ahman Green; S Earl Little.

NFC South

Carolina: C Jeff Mitchell; G Tutan Reyes; RB Ricky Proehl; WR Rod Gardner; OT Todd Fordham; QB Chris Weinke; RB DeShaun Foster; TE Mike Seidman (RFA); LB Will Witherspoon; S Marlon McCree; DT Kindal Moorehead (RFA); DE Kemp Rasmussen; LB Vinny Ciurciu (RFA); CB Dante Wesley; S Idrees Bashir; CB Ricky Manning (RFA); P Jason Baker; S Colin Branch (RFA); OL Matt Hill.

New Orleans: C LeCharles Bentley; G Montrae Holland (RFA); WR Az-Zahir Hakim; TE Zach Hilton (RFA); RB Antowain Smith; TE Lamont Hall; FB Fred McAfee; RB Anthony Thomas; DE Willie Whitehead; DE Darren Howard; LB Sedrick Hodge; LB Ronald McKinnon; CB Fakhir Brown; LB T.J. Slaughter; S Mel Mitchell; LB James Allen; WR Michael Lewis.

Tampa Bay: G Sean Mahan (RFA); QB Chris Simms (RFA); WR Ike Hilliard; WR Edell Shepherd (RFA); OT Todd Steussie; FB Jameel Cook; TE Dave Moore; DT Chris Hovan; S Dexter Jackson; CB Torrie Cox (RFA); CB Juran Bolden; K Matt Bryant.

Atlanta: OT Kevin Shaffer; WR Dez White; C Austin King (RFA); OT Barry Stokes; FB Fred McCrary; WR Jerome Pathon; QB Ty Detmer; S Keion Carpenter; DE Antwan Lake; LB Artie Ulmer; S Ronnie Heard; S Kevin McCadam; S Antuan Edwards; S Omare Lowe; K Todd Peterson; LB Erik Flowers.

NFC West

Arizona: G Reggie Wells (RFA); QB Kurt Warner; FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo; OL Adam Haayer; QB Josh McCown; FB Jarrod Baxter; WR J.J. Moses (RFA); WR Reggie Swinton; TE Teyo Johnson (RFA); FB Harold Morrow; RB James Jackson; DE Ross Kolodziej; DE Antonio Cochran; CB Robert Tate; DE R-Kal Truluck; S Quentin Harris; CB Raymond Walls; OL Ian Allen; OL Billy Conaty; DT Russell Davis; LB Gerald Hayes (RFA); DE Kenny King (RFA); DT Langston Moore (RFA); RB J.R. Redmond.

St. Louis: C Andy McCollum; TE Brandon Manumaleuna; WR Shaun McDonald (RFA); WR Kevin Curtis (RFA); G Tom Nutten; OT Rex Tucker; TE Cameron Cleeland; QB Jamie Martin; RB Arlen Harris (RFA); RB Aveion Cason; RB David Allen (RFA); DT Ryan Pickett; CB DeJuan Groce (RFA); S Adam Archuleta; S Mike Furrey (RFA); DE Tyoka Jackson; DT Damione Lewis; DE Brandon Green (RFA); LB Trev Faulk; CB Corey Ivy; CB Chris Johnson (RFA); CB Terry Fair; P Bryan Barker; FB Chris Massey; TE Roland Williams.

Seattle: WR Joe Jurevicius; G Steve Hutchinson; FB Mack Strong; RB Shaun Alexander; WR Peter Warrick; OT Wayne Hunter (RFA); TE Ryan Hannam; QB Seneca Wallace (RFA); RB Maurice Morris; S Marquand Manuel; DE Rodney Bailey; DT Rocky Bernard; DE Joe Tafoya; LB Kevin Bentley; S John Howell; CB Jimmy Williams; P Tom Rouen; K Josh Brown (RFA); CB Kevin House; WR Jerheme Urban (RFA).

San Francisco: WR Arnaz Battle (RFA); WR Brandon Lloyd (RFA); OT Anthony Clement; FB Fred Beasley; TE Trent Smith (RFA); QB Ken Dorsey (RFA); FB Chris Hetherington; WR Jason McAddley; RB Steve Bush; QB Jesse Palmer; LB Julian Peterson; LB Brandon Moore; LB Derek Smith; DE Travis Hall; CB Willie Middlebrooks; K Joe Nedney.

[AlphaBean]

Minnesota: WR Nate Burleson (RFA); C Melvin Fowler; RB Michael Bennett; WR Koren Robinson; G Toniu Fonoti; C Cory Withrow; QB Shaun Hill; RB Moe Williams; LB Keith Newman; LB Sam Cowart; S Corey Chavous; CB Brian Williams; DE Lance Johnstone; CB Ralph Brown; LB Raonall Smith; K Paul Edinger; S Willie Offord.


Fuck, dude. We need like over half of those people.

Burleson - Best player ever. We'll probably just tenderize him. :mad:

Fowler - Great insurance policy for when Birk goes out again and then retires. Withrow can go fuck himself.

Bennett - Can go fuck himself, tbh. Horrible player, wasted space.

Koren Robinson - The replacement to Randy Moss we need. We will break the bank and regret it later when he hits the bottle again.

Fonoti - Tice has a hard-on for this guy. If Tice is here next season, so will Fonoti.

Withrow - Shouldn't be in the NFL.

Shaun Hill - See above.

Moe - Is a great leader, and I love him to death, but unless we can sign him to the minimum, he should just retire. He hasn't even played this season. And what he used to do well -- read defenses -- no longer worked this season. Probably because that's the only thing Tice does with Moe in the game... either a dive or a screen. Dunno. Not versatile to do anything unless we're on the goal line.

Newman/Johnstone - the only pressure we get on the QB comes from these guys. They're immense. We need them both.

Chavous - I wish he would retire early so he could be a coach. Such a smart player, I'd hate to lose him, but I hope he stays for a good price. Not a very good player though. Not Strong Safety material tbh.

Brian Williams - He's proving himself this season. I felt he proved himself last season, but the Vikings brass didn't agree. Deserves a new contract. Very versatile, and has a career at safety when he gets older.

Ralph Brown - Has proven he's capable of being a nickle, even starting in a pinch. We have so much depth he will likely go elsewhere, but I don't trust Devonte Edwards and all the other scrubs Tice brings in as undrafteds... we need an established role player, and I :heart: Brown. He goes nuts whenever he makes a play, but he's like Koren Robinson and a lot of our guys... came in here with a chip on his shoulder, proved himself, will make decent money elsewhere.

Raonall Smith - One of our best defensive players. Hasn't had a full, healthy season ever. Spent 2 of the last 3 years on IR the entire year, and last year he missed the end of the season after dominating early on. Yet we've kept him... he better sign for a discount with a team that has shown so much patience with his ass. So much speed and ferocity, he's definitely our best playmaking LB (when healthy).

Offord - Has proven incapable of playing safety since he was drafted, but got a little better every year. A late bloomer. He was awesome as a nickel linebacker last season, and they say he had an insane game by SS-standards before he went out for the season. The injury and him being a backup should give us him at a discount, but then Denny Green will probably be trying to steal all of these guys.

Edinger - :love: Love this dude. Should break the bank in Kicker-terms for him. Who cares if he's not consistent... he has a leg and is clutch. That's all I care about. Having 10 years of gary and morten anderson have made me desperate. If we let him go, we need to work our asses off to bring back Elling, cause he looks like a 12 year old James Spader. :love:

Oh and 20 mil in cap room will probably take care of these guys, though we'll probably let most of them go and spend it all on Edgerrin James.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Didn't realise Julian Peterson was up for grabs actually, just noticed. If he gets healthy he could be big someplace.

[AlphaBean]

He's getting old, and they said he ain't the same. As far as linebackers are concerned, it's better to bring them up yourself than to import them... Unless it's a MLB, since they're the man.

If I didn't say it before, Sam Cowart should stay one more year; he's a big reason our D is stepping up finally.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The most important person the Bengals have to re-sign this offseason is Jeremi Johnson. :love:

of course Chad might hold out but whatever

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vinatieri will probably just be franchised again or signed to a deal. I really can't see him playing for any other teams, I doubt the Pats would let that happen.

[RP]

The thing about those defensive free agents of the Colts is, there is no defensive system in the NFL that will pay those guys huge money, because they are so undersized. There gunna get nice upgraded contracts from Indy, but no one will really pay them a ton of money. We will resign them with no problem.

Wayned or James is gunna get Franchised. If i was betting on it, I would bet Wayne.

[AlphaBean]

As clutch as he is I bet some idiot would pay top dollar for him.

[AlphaBean]

I think Koren Robinson is the greatest player of all time.

[AlphaBean]

Someone needs to buy that motherfucker a beer, for real, I'm not even kidding.

[RP]

Colts just drove 89 yards for a TD on the Jags. It looked way to easy.

[AlphaBean]

I think it was more way than it was easy, tbh.

[RP]

Well the Jags are doing exactly what they should do. Play the field position game. We just punted out of our own endzone. Jags will most likely see some points here.

[RP]

Harrison just made Mathis look like Pacman Jones or Ike Taylor with a sick double move. 65 yard td.