NFL 2007 Offseason Thread

[mrslackalack]

Petreno is a very aggressive coach. He is ruthless and will run the score up if the Falcons have a blowout.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

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Just a random video thought some people might like checking out. Its a dude who used to play with one of my buddies on a D2 college teams down in Rhode Island

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah mrs lack a lack pretty sure you've said you're a kentucky fan so you really can't offer an opinion on a guy from louisville sorry

[SammyG]

Why are u looking forward to the St.Louis game? You're gonna get KILLED. :)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

yeah especially if Leonard Little is driving

[SammyG]

Hell yeah!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

yeah especially if Leonard Little is driving
LOL :nono:

[Kris P Lettus]

Steven Jackson's career>Reggie Bush's career

LMFAO

[mrslackalack]

I bet the Falcons wish they hadnt traded Matt Schaub.

[mrslackalack]

Jaguars want Culpepper. I can see it happening since management told Leftwich and Garrard it might happen and Mike Tice is on the coaching staff of the Jags.

[MTH15]

Aw Shit Vick NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[SammyG]

ROFL. Post of the year right there. BAD NEWZ KENNELZZZ YOOO. Fuckin Vick.Good. I am happy that he got indicted. What a stupid negro.

[SammyG]

lol look at the strength of schedules. Every team in the AFC has a .500 and above schedule strength. The Lions are the only team in the NFC that does.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10236651

[Kris P Lettus]

I bet the Falcons wish they hadnt traded Matt Schaub.

Exactly what I thought..

Vick is an idiot..

mth where you at, son??

LOL

[SammyG]

Aw Shit Vick NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[owenbrown]

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[D Mac]

He could get up to 6 years.

[SammyG]

MAN HE DONT CURR. COMPTON. Michael Vick is a fucking dumbass, and I hope he gets 6 years in jail.

[owenbrown]

He could get up to 6 years.
See vid in my last post
(to tune of Pearl Jam's "Evenflow")
RON MEXICOOOOO
IS ABOUT TO BE SODOMIZED!
OH HE CAN'T BLOW, BUT THEY MAKE HIM ANYWAYYY!
OH SOMEDAY, YET, HE WILL BEAT THE RAP AGAIN!
RAP AGAIN
RAP AGAIN

[Mr. Monday Morning]

He could get up to 6 years.

Initially, yes. It depends how wide-ranging this thing goes. If they get into the gambling side then he could be looking at multiple counts and a lot longer.

[Zen v.W.o.]

He could get up to 6 years.

If he did everything it says he did, and was totally involved, he deserves alot more then that. Personally I'd have him dead, he's just surplus life anyway. Fucking revolting scum.

[Boomer]

Ugh. Most likely ruins an entire NFL season for me.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bet nothing is even gonna happen to him because he is a professional athlete

[James Steele]

AL SHARPTON TO THE RESCUE!

[MTH15]

Shit 6 years. If Joey Harrington wasn't such an ASS face of a QB then I wouldn't be as worried. Hopefully they start D.J. Shockley. Our season looks like its pretty done. As long as we dont get swept by the Saints and beat the Rams Im good.

[SammyG]

lolerskates

[Nervous Ferret]

wow shut the hell up SammyG

My thoughts are with stimes exactly :o

[Zen v.W.o.]

Shit 6 years. If Joey Harrington wasn't such an ASS face of a QB then I wouldn't be as worried. Hopefully they start D.J. Shockley. Our season looks like its pretty done. As long as we dont get swept by the Saints and beat the Rams Im good.


OH btw, Vick is shit at QB anyways, so it doesnt really matter. Let the douche rot.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lenord Little killed a person and he is still playing?

[mrslackalack]

The ATL JC poll has 2 out of every 3 people saying they will throw away Vicks jeresy and that he should be at least suspended.

[RP]

Leonard Little really did kill a dude. Then he went out and got busted for DUI again i think.

I love dogs so this really makes me sick. I hope he never plays in the NFL again. I respect Pacman more then i respect Vick. What a dumbass too. All the nike commercials. The Michael Vick Experience. All that money. What a moron. Probably will go down in history as one of the dumbest human beings in the history of the United States. Michael Vick has done what was once thought to be impossible. He made Marcus Vick look like the good son.

Oh and he'll see prison btw. I've watched 3 channels that have said that the judge in the case is very stiff and will no doubt throw Vick in jail for years if he's found guilty. All those gruesome details in the inditement pretty much sealed it.

GO GO Joey Harrington.

[MTH15]

Wow you said Vick sucks at QB. You must have complete down syndrome. Get that shit out of here YOU DEPRESSED KANGAROO

[Gonzo]

Vick is a shitty QB. He is a great athlete, but a shitty QB.

[VonErichLives]

Lenord Little killed a person and he is still playing?

yeah but was that during Tags or the new guy Goddel?

cause Goddel had a 0 tolderance policy and doesn't wait for the conviction for an initial suspension.

[SammyG]

It was during Tag's commish years. Whatever, he didn't do anything too bad. It's not like he meant to kill the person. He was just driving drunk.

[SammyG]

Wow you said Vick sucks at QB. You must have complete down syndrome. Get that shit out of here YOU DEPRESSED KANGAROO
So you're trying to tell us that Michael Vick is a good Quarterback? He is a good athlete. NOT a QB. A QB throws the ball, makes good decisions, is a leader. This guy made plays with his feet, he flipped off fans, and he wasn't reliable at all.

[RP]

It was during Tag's commish years. Whatever, he didn't do anything too bad. It's not like he meant to kill the person. He was just driving drunk.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SammyG]

I'm sure he apologized to the fam.

[RP]

Yah i bet that went a little something like this...

" Hey dawgs hey. Hey, dawg, hey....mah bad. "

[SammyG]

*Sacks the mother*

[RP]

or...

" Ya'll mugs did know i did mean to hizzle dem bizzles."

[SammyG]

Your ebonics are off the hizzie.

[James Steele]

PHO SHIZZLE

[SammyG]

Remember when Vick was like walking down the street, and this reporter was interviewing him, and the reporter asked him some sort of a question with a word in it that Vick didn't understand, and he's just like, MAYNE, NO COMMENT, and stormed off. That was some funny shit.

[MTH15]

Would have been even funnier if the reporter chased him. But yea ok hes a great athlete not a great QB. He doesn't suck complete ass though

[SammyG]

Oh yes he does.

[mrslackalack]

The next time the Falcons go to Cleveland he will have to face the DAWG POUND!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[MTH15]

The browns suck a lot. They just got lucky last year. 7-9 this year

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It was during Tag's commish years. Whatever, he didn't do anything too bad. It's not like he meant to kill the person. He was just driving drunk.
LOL

Also, Michael Vick is not a shitty QB. Why can't people just find the middle ground with this guy? People either overhype his playing abilities or completely shit on them, when he is really just a pretty decent QB.

[MTH15]

Stima you are my HERO

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah Vick obvs isn't on a level with say Manning or Brady, but he's not horrible by any stretch. I'd say he's above-average.

[SammyG]

Still a nigger.

jk

[Hanso Amore]

Leonard Little was Drunk driving and killed someone. While Horrible, he wasnt Malicious, he was negligent.

Vick bred dogs to kill, and if they wouldnt fight, killed them in the most horrible way you could kill an animal. He deserves to rot.

The difference comes down to this....

The Noxema Chick Ran over a kid because she was on her cell phone, a mistake, but she is far above OJ, who slaughtered his wife and makes jokes about it.

Negligence vs Malicious Intent

[Hanso Amore]

I also think that a message needs to be sent. Athletes are larger than life celebrities and they think that they can get away with anything. You give them an inch and they are going to take a mile. It has been constantly escalating for the last few years. Now we are at a point with 50 arrests in an offseason and a fucking dog fighting ring. What is next? Running man? Goodell needs to BAN Vick if he is convicted.

If Pete rose can be banned for GAMBLING, Vick needs to be banned for this. He has sent a message with Tank and Pacman, Vick needs to follow.

[SammyG]

Honestly, I would not allow Michael Vick to ever suit up for a NFL Team again.

[RP]

Forget about the whole dog thing. Vick should be suspended for life just for being that stupid to begin with. 100 million dollar contract and another 100 mill for endorsements and you're fighting dogs for at the most 20grand.

What a fucking retard.

[mrslackalack]

One word seems it up for Vick ''greed''

[VonErichLives]

The Noxema Chick Ran over a kid because she was on her cell phone, a mistake, but she is far above OJ, who slaughtered his wife and makes jokes about it.



OJ was guilty? :shifty:

I also think that a message needs to be sent. Athletes are larger than life celebrities and they think that they can get away with anything. You give them an inch and they are going to take a mile.

and how does this differ from movie/tv stars? or music stars? or poloticians? the list goes on... It's not just athletes it's people with money or fame in general and the reason they get away with it is people let them.


Now we are at a point with 50 arrests in an offseason and a fucking dog fighting ring. What is next? Running man?

huh? how did we get into Ahhhnold movies? lay off the caffene kid!


Goodell needs to BAN Vick if he is convicted.


Well, if convicted he'll probably be going to jail for awhile... unless of course he works a plea and gives up info on bigger people to get himself out of jail, either way if convicted I don't think Goodell will need to do much, I think it will take care of itself.



If Pete rose can be banned for GAMBLING,
Ok, wait, stop, stop, stop... you understand these are two different sports right? Baseball and Football have no connection except both being a sport. Football suspended and basiclly ended the career of a guy with potential to be a top 10 all-time running back for smoking weed, baseball celebrated guys who used steroids. Rose was banned for betting on his own games as a manager, trust me... if an NFL coach was caught betting on his own team they'd be gone. Actually, if I recall the NFL has some very strict gambling laws, that actually prevents NFL players from gambling on other sports (I don't recall it ever actually being enforced)

[VonErichLives]

One word seems it up for Vick ''greed''

Ya think? ya think he did this all for the money?

Clinton Portis got some flack a few weeks ago (months?) for kinda comming to Vicks aid and talking about it being different where they come from or something like that.... is it possible Vick grew up in a culture where this was accepted and considered sport?

Now, I'm not excusing this in any way... and my favorite stupid comment was someone who said "Well, boxing is legal, it's ok for humans but not dogs?"

umm, yeah, anyone with 1/4 of a brain understands the difference so I won't even get into it.

[RP]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944430

unreal


biggest loss the Colts have had in a long time. Bigger then any loss the last 5 seasons. Thats a huge blow to the team right there to lose Glenn. Dont know what the Colts will do. Throw Ugoh in the fire and see what he can learn? There's a reason why Manning gets sacked only 12 times a seasons and escapes major injury. Glenn will be missed so bad i cant even measure it right now.

[VonErichLives]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944430

unreal


biggest loss the Colts have had in a long time. Bigger then any loss the last 5 seasons. Thats a huge blow to the team right there to lose Glenn. Dont know what the Colts will do. Throw Ugoh in the fire and see what he can learn? There's a reason why Manning gets sacked only 12 times a seasons and escapes major injury. Glenn will be missed so bad i cant even measure it right now.


yeah, saw this yesterday and meant to ask you about it.

Is there a story we don't know? I'd just think a long time vet who knows how important he is to the team would have told them before the draft...

Did he have any nagging injuries last year that may not have gone away this off season?

[mrslackalack]

I was stunned by Glenns sudden retirement

[mrslackalack]

They still have Saturday though

[RP]

They had made cap room with the Freeney deal with the mindset to lock up Tarik Glenn and Bob Sanders next year. So i'm not really sure what the deal is. I think he was rumored to be looking for retirement after a Superbowl win. Thats what was being talked about a year or two ago. I dont think it's anything as far as a Colts /Glenn relationship. Probably just wanted to retire. Its pretty stunning cause he's only 31 and was about to be paid like one of the highest paid tackles in the league.

[VonErichLives]

They still have Saturday though

uh-huh....

someone wanna explain to mrs. lacka lack the difference between a Center and an OT especially one who protects the QB's blind side?

I'm not saying a Center isn't important, but saying "they still have Saturday" is like saying "They still have Bob Sanders" has nothing to do with the position of loss, just means they didn't get weak at 2 posistions.

[Nervous Ferret]

Well you know they do still have Bob Sanders. There is a good chance the Colts will be good this year

[Kris P Lettus]

As long as we dont get swept by the Saints Im good.

You are not good..

[mrslackalack]

I know the OT is important and its a big loss but they will still have a steady OL.

[SammyG]

As long as Peyton Manning is your QB, you'll be fine.

[RP]

/sigh you guys dont know shit about football. When you've had the same Pro Bowler protecting your blind side since you've come into the league, you dont just all of sudden replace that guy and you're fine. Its gunna be difficult.

[MTH15]

I hope Peyton gets sacked 30 times this year.... Especially cause we have to play them. My friend told me some shit about Vick. Hed grab a dog by its hine legs and slam it until it died. If this is true then IDC if he is suspended for life.

[D Mac]

http://news.aol.com/sports/story/_a/nfl-orders-vick-to-stay-out-of-camp/20070723212409990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
NFL Orders Vick to Stay Out of Camp

NEW YORK (July 23) - Michael Vick was ordered by commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday to stay away from the Atlanta Falcons' training camp until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.

"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.

The NFL said Vick would still get his preseason pay and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league's review was completed.

Goodell told Vick the league would complete its review as quickly as possible and that he expected full cooperation. The review is expected to involve conversations with federal law enforcement officials so the NFL can determine the strength of the case against Vick.

The Falcons open camp on Thursday, the same day Vick is scheduled to be arraigned in Richmond, Va., on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

The team declined comment other than to say a news conference was scheduled Tuesday at owner Arthur Blank's office in Atlanta.

Vick, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft, last season became the first quarterback ever to rush for more than 1,000 yards.

After his indictment last week, the NFL's position was that it would monitor developments and allow the legal process to "determine the facts."

Since then, pressure has been mounting on the league and the Falcons, particularly from animal-rights groups.

PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - demonstrated at Falcons' headquarters in Flowery Branch, Ga., on Monday and did the same outside NFL offices in New York last week. At the same time, Goodell was meeting with officials from the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. The league and the ASPCA are working on a program to educate players about the proper treatment of animals.



Vick was indicted on charges relating to illegal dogfighting, and the court documentation paints a gruesome picture of the face of the Falcons.

Activists also put pressure on companies that have endorsements deals with Vick to sever their ties. Nike said it would not release a fifth signature shoe, the Air Zoom Vick V, this summer. Nike spokesman Dean Stoyer said the four shoe products and three shirts that currently bear Vick's name will remain in stores.

Goodell's order came down after lengthy discussions involving the league office, the Falcons and the NFL Players' Association. Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA's executive director, was one of the first to side with Goodell when he instituted the strong Personal Conduct Policy after a season of repeated misdeeds by players.

Disciplining players has turned out to be Goodell's main focus since taking over last Sept. 1 for the retired Paul Tagliabue.

Since the end of last season, he has used the new policy to suspend Adam "Pacman" Jones of the Tennessee Titans for the entire 2007 season; and Chris Henry of Cincinnati and former Chicago Bear Tank Johnson for eight games each.

Those calling for Vick's suspension have noted that Jones, who faces charges of coercion in Las Vegas stemming from a shooting that left a man paralyzed, wasn't convicted when he was suspended.

However, league officials said there were mitigating circumstances in the Jones case.

In January, he accepted a plea agreement to dismiss public intoxication and disorderly conduct charges in Tennessee if he behaved himself for six months. League officials say that the charges in Las Vegas voided that agreement and were a major factor in his suspension.

The indictment of Vick alleges that about eight young dogs were put to death at his Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight. They were killed "by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."


Purses for the fights ranged from hundreds of dollars to the thousands, and participants and spectators often placed side bets on the outcome, according to the indictment

If convicted, Vick and three others charged with him could face up to six years in prison, and $350,000 in fines.

[SammyG]

Wow, what a douchebag

[Hanso Amore]

I havent been so happy in years. I LOVE Goodell

[SammyG]

I agree.

[MTH15]

Hopefully we do good without Vick.

[SammyG]

Joey Harrington sucks.

[MTH15]

If they start D.J. Shockley then we might have a chance. Heres my prediction. We will dogmatically own the Rams. We will gently but firmly have our way with them. Although Tory Holt will have his way with our secondary. And Adam Carriker will probably break our QBs pelvis. But anything for a win....I feel super spaced out

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

haha too bad they traded Shaub, that's the type of shit that sets a franchise back for years.

[SammyG]

Dude, are you fucking retarded? Mth, you feel like your whole season revolves against a game against St.Louis, one which you will definitely lose. You won't be able to stop Steven Jackson, OR our passing game. You won't have Vick running either, so just drop it. The Falcons are gonna suck this year, just accept it and move on.

[DrA]

Yeah, the Falcons are going to be awful this year. That team has centered around Michael Vick for years now, and without him Atlanta will be as bland as the Cleveland Browns.

[DrA]

Saints/Ravens Superbowl

Not only do I not think that will be the Super Bowl, I am willing to bet that at least one of those teams will not even make it to the playoffs.

[RP]

I hope Peyton gets sacked 30 times this year.... Especially cause we have to play them. My friend told me some shit about Vick. Hed grab a dog by its hine legs and slam it until it died. If this is true then IDC if he is suspended for life.


Yah i seen it. 2sicc

[OssMan]

"Dogs were killed by hanging, drowning, or being thrown to the ground"

MatthewAllanHanso: "I havent been so happy in years"

[Boomer]

Michael Vick is responsible for making me watch and enjoy football. I never would have begun watching if it wasn't for him. I don't condone his supposed actions at all, but I will miss seeing him if and when he is gone.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Dude, are you fucking retarded? Mth, you feel like your whole season revolves against a game against St.Louis, one which you will definitely lose. You won't be able to stop Steven Jackson, OR our passing game. You won't have Vick running either, so just drop it. The Falcons are gonna suck this year, just accept it and move on.lol give me a break Sammy, you are arguing with a kid in like 6th grade

[DrA]

Also, what is so special about St. Louis this year, compared to what they have had the last four years? They look like the exact same team that went 8-8 last year.

[mrslackalack]

Problem is while Harrington will be the likely starter, Falcons fans want it to be 2nd yr QB hometown guy D.J Shockley who has never thrown a pass in the NFL, then there is Chris Redman who is a Louisville product and Petrino might show favortism there.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also, what is so special about St. Louis this year, compared to what they have had the last four years? They look like the exact same team that went 8-8 last year.Why the fuck do the Rams play in a dome? So retarded

[MTH15]

Im tired of you guys calling me 12. Im 15 in the 10th grade. Im a grown as teenager. And even if the Falcons do suck they'll still be my #1 team. Personally if Petrino makes the right moves we can have some rings. And the only reason I keep hoping we beat the Rams and the Saints is because if we lose Ill have to here "haha we kicked your asses" for a whole year. Thats like the only reason I keep mentioning it. Now Vick has been begging for a WR for a while. He gets Joe Horn and goes and gets indicted for something retarded. I hope he does get to play again. He is fun to watch

[OssMan]

And the only reason I keep hoping we beat the Rams and the Saints is because if we lose Ill have to here "haha we kicked your asses" for a whole year.Personally I root for my favorite team to win all of their games and the reason is because I am happier when they win, not because somebody will brag online

[SammyG]

Exactly.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Michael Vick is responsible for making me watch and enjoy football. I never would have begun watching if it wasn't for him. I don't condone his supposed actions at all, but I will miss seeing him if and when he is gone.

Vince Young is the new Vick, hope aboard the bandwagon

[Nervous Ferret]

I root against the Bears because Joey Slugs really cheezes me off with his bragging :mad:

[Boomer]

Vince Young is the new Vick, hope aboard the bandwagon

I live in Georgia, I'm pretty inclined to watch the Falcons.

[SammyG]

Briggs is gonna sign the contract Chicago offered him.

[MTH15]

I live in DC. I get to watch maybe 3-4 Falcons games per season. But seriously the season is getting really close. The Hall of Fame game is Aug. 5. I hope the Steelers win (even though I hate them). My least favorite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Panthers, Redskins, and the Eagles. P.S. Has anyone seen the madden 08 commercial...BS

[mrslackalack]

Briggs said he would never play for the Bears again lol.

[mrslackalack]

The Titans finally got a good veteran WR. They signed Eric Moulds.

[RP]

Briggs said he would never play for the Bears again lol.


LOL yah, but he'll get paid either way. If they franchise him next year ( which they probably wont ) he'll be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league by a yearly salary. Most likely he'll get a long term deal from someone next year barring any crazy injuries.

[mrslackalack]

I also lol when they offered him to the Redskins for their top 10 pick this year.

[mrslackalack]

LOL yah, but he'll get paid either way. If they franchise him next year ( which they probably wont ) he'll be one of the highest paid defensive players in the league by a yearly salary. Most likely he'll get a long term deal from someone next year barring any crazy injuries.


With Freeneys record contract for a def player and large contracts for Redding and Clements. Briggs will prolly want as much or more than them.

[MTH15]

Lol at Briggs.Isn't he gonna sit out like the first 4 games or something? I remember someone on here lied and said he was getting traded to us. Hes probably gonna be a top 10 LB next year

[VonErichLives]

When you've had the same Pro Bowler protecting your blind side since you've come into the league, you dont just all of sudden replace that guy and you're fine. Its gunna be difficult.

I think that was the exact point I was making (write this down, it will probably be the last time we agree this season).

Who are they talking about putting there?

[Hanso Amore]

The Titans finally got a good veteran WR. They signed Eric Moulds.

I was hoping the bills would bring him back so he could finish back in Buffalo. Was sad when he was cut.


Should be good for Young to have a solid Possession guy to go with his blazers.

[Nervous Ferret]

Good to hear Priest Holmes is finally healthy

[Nervous Ferret]

Curtis Martin finally OFFICIALLY retires

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgONsUNnqZHJCS5QBzSCWCw5nYcB?slug=ap-jets-martinretires&prov=ap&type=lgns


:wavesad:

[RP]

what a fantastic running back. Sucks to see him go. I'll never forget that opening day game against the 49'ers where he ran 98-99 yards for a td in overtime. Insane.

[RP]

O wait was that Curtis Martin??? nm

[SammyG]

Yeah Curtis Martin was the shit. Great career

[MTH15]

He was like 4th all time or something right?

[Hanso Amore]

Crazy to think how underrated CM is. 4th all time and I bet most people think he was never a top 5 back. Crazy

[SammyG]

Steven Jackson is gonna be remembered as a top 10 back all time :)

[MTH15]

Why do you have so much confidence in him?

[SammyG]

Because he's a beast. He's hungry. He thinks he can be the best ever. We don't have an offensive line except for Pace, and he still goes out there and dominates. Expect huge things from Jackson this year, and next year, and so on. I don't see why you wouldn't have confidence in this guy.

[SammyG]

He's a big back, he can run you over, or run right around you. He's a complete back, and he also had 90 catches last year. C'mon now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So Odell Thurman got suspended for the season last year and was given a list of things he needed to do in order to get reinstated for this year. He did all those things but Goodell decided to make him miss this season as well anyways. Seems fair.

[Hanso Amore]

So Odell Thurman got suspended for the season last year and was given a list of things he needed to do in order to get reinstated for this year. He did all those things but Goodell decided to make him miss this season as well anyways. Seems fair.


Let me wipe away the tears. He skipped a drug test, got a DUI, and now he is being investigated for assault. Fuck him, hes a thug, he doesn't deserve to be in the NFL. His punishment is nothing compared to what most people would face.

[VonErichLives]

CM still goes down as the worst move the Patriots ever made letting him go to the Jets and then letting Bobby Grier use those draft picks and we got nothing for him.

[DrA]

You know, Nate Newton did the EXACT same thing that Michael Vick did involving running these dog fights, yet he didn't get any of the attention that Vick is getting now. This is another media frenzy that is getting the attention that it is because of who was involved in it. They don't care about the acts, they just care that it was a big named sports star that did them. The thing that gets me most is that Roger Goodell will be "praised" for his actions on this case because he will crash down on a big name star who is black, which will be enough to hide the fact from most people like MatthewAllenHanso, who insist they understand the morality of the whole NFL because they read profootballtalk.com, that he is a spineless chicken shit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Are you really that surprised? CNN talked about Anna Nicole Smith dieing for about 5 months and never even mentions things like fire fighters, soliders, police offices and other actaully important people dieing. I don't understand the obsession with athletes and celebrities, who gives a fuck? What makes them any different then me you or the guy who lives 5 houses away from you?

[Boomer]

The law is the law, but I can't say that I'm going to enjoy watching the Falcons most likely fall back into mediocrity.

[mrslackalack]

Skip Bayless said Curtis Martin was not a HOF which Merill Hoge said Skip was crazy on. I think it was the first time I ever agreed with Hoge on something.

[mrslackalack]

Rumors are the Falcons might sign Culpepper and that they have shown interest in trading with the Redskins for Brunell or the Bucs for Simms.

[Hanso Amore]

I hate Hodge, but I hate Bayliss even more. That guy is such a fucking idiot, I really dont think he has any idea on anything he is talking about. Martin not HOF? Whats next? Brett Favre isnt HOF?

[McLegend]

Skip Bayless love Brett Favre. So he would never say that.

[mrslackalack]

Skip would def say however that T.O. is not a HOF.

[OssMan]

I wish more teams would take advantage of the Redskins, you can trade them 2 decent players for their first round pick which you know will be top 10 every year

[MTH15]

Rumors are the Falcons might sign Culpepper and that they have shown interest in trading with the Redskins for Brunell or the Bucs for Simms.

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! Petrino said he has no interest in Culpepper, Mark Brunnel is old, and Chris Sims is staying in Tampa

[SammyG]

Whoa calm down there. Simeon Rice was cut by Tampa today

[MTH15]

Im just messin. We already have 2 good DEs. Vick pleaded not guilty

[SammyG]

lol, what a fucking idiot. He's just making things worse for himself.

[MTH15]

As long as he gets to play for us again I'm cool. Warrick Dunns out for the first 3-4 weeks from back surgery so Jerious Norwood will start and you all will see the beast of #32 be unleashed. We signed 1st R Pick Jamaal Anderson.

[SammyG]

Fuuuck, Bulger is holding out.

[RP]

Mexico did that shit man.

[Nervous Ferret]

lol, what a fucking idiot. He's just making things worse for himself.Pleading guilty and going straight to jail, or pleasding not guilty and giving time for everybody to remember he is an NFL quarterback so most likely nothing "real bad" will happen to him

Yah, fucking idiot

[SammyG]

I think he's gonna get jail time, whether he is a NFL star or not, makes no difference. This guy did some seriously sick shit. It's not like he simply killed a person driving drunk, this guy grabbed dogs and smashed them to the ground until they were dead. I hope he gets at least 4 years.

[SammyG]

Also, YESSSS, Bulger signs a deal that is rumored to be worth 6 years and top 5 qb in the league salary, and Carriker also signed today.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's not like he simply killed a person driving drunk,
ROFL

I like how you keep spazzing out on people and calling them idiots then you just write off mudering someone because it was caused by drunk driving....makes sense

Also how does pleading "Not Guilty" make it any worse? Can you please explain that one to me

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>What the fuck...Michael Strahan didn't report to camp today and he might retire</font> :|

[Innovator]

What the fuck...Michael Strahan didn't report to camp today and he might retire :|This is gonna be an awesome season....:|

[MTH15]

It wasn't Vick that visciously killed the dogs. It was other people. I couldn't even get a good laugh in before you said Bulger was signing for 6 years.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't know if Vick is guilty or not, but I do think it is hilarious that people have learned absolutely nothing from the Duke lacrosse case about jumping to conclusions.

[MTH15]

If Vick doesn't play for ATL ever again there still my #1 team. Detroit would probably sign him. Vick To Cal. Johnson

[McLegend]

This is gonna be an awesome season....:|
Hahaha

[SammyG]

Wow. Bulger's contact is 6 years for 65 million. Biiigg money

[Innovator]

HahahaYour quarterback has worse accuracy than Eli Manning

[McLegend]

Your quarterback has worse accuracy than Eli Manning
No he doesn't

Also Donovan F. McNabb is great STFU

[mrslackalack]

It was interesting to see how Bulgers avgs compare quite similar to Peyton Mannings except Manning throws a lot more TDs. I know what Sammy G will say the reason that is, because they have Steven Jackson! lol

[mrslackalack]

You were right about the Culpepper deal MTH but I have still heard the Simms rumors because GM Mckay likes him and Grudens interested in Culpepper and trying to beg Plummer to play for them in addition to having Garcia and Gradowski.

[mrslackalack]

Speculation is that Simeon Rice will do one of 4 things

1. sign with DET
2. sign with WASH
3. sign with SEA
4. retire

[MTH15]

Yea IDK any information on simms. Only reason I said wrong wrong wrong is because Supreme or RP said Lance Briggs was getting traded to the Falcons. He lied.

[mrslackalack]

Without Vick how do you all think the Falcons will fare this season? Most of the polls I have seen have them at 3-13 and 4-12.

[Boomer]

I'm for the 6-10 opinion. We do still have Petrino, despite his lack of NFL experience. I'm really not sure what to expect.

[VonErichLives]

As long as he gets to play for us again I'm cool.

ya know, I was about to write a really nasty response to this but then I remember you're like 6yrs old...

Anyway, Vick had to plead not guilty, he wont make it worse..

If he does plead, it will be to less charges then he currently has.

There was talk they may offer him a deal if he turns in people...

This isn't the duke lacross case, they found all the stuff at his house, multiple people link him... he's involved somehow and is scum and should die.

end of discussion...

lets not give him any more credit for being a piece of shit, lets keep this thread to football, not pieces of crap like Vick.

Wouldn't be shocked to see Harrington have a decent year, nothing record breaking but a decent year.

[MTH15]

*Sigh* I'm 15, Ive said that 1000 times. Can you fugging read? MTH15. Unless you have down syndrome there is no excuse for being that fugging stupid. Anyway. I dont expect us to be that bad, I mean C'mon Vick is one person. We have had some additions in Defense and Offense. If the rest of the team steps up including Joey Harrington we could have a very good year.

[SammyG]

*Sigh* I'm 15, Ive said that 1000 times. Can you fugging read? MTH15. Unless you have down syndrome there is no excuse for being that fugging stupid.
:rofl:

[SammyG]

It was interesting to see how Bulgers avgs compare quite similar to Peyton Mannings except Manning throws a lot more TDs. I know what Sammy G will say the reason that is, because they have Steven Jackson! lol

Marc Bulger is a top 5 QB in the NFL. He deserves every penny he makes. Bulger threw only 8 picks last year, was really effective in the red zone, and overall just had a tremendous year.

[MTH15]

Didnt Kurt Warner get injured and Marc came in as a back up?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Didnt Kurt Warner get injured and Marc came in as a back up?

Just as Trent Green got injured and Warner came in as backup for him.

[D Mac]

Heard that Nike cut thier deal with Vick and are taking his jerseys off the market.

[SammyG]

Diesel Mac, is Huard gonna be your starting QB this year?

[D Mac]

Well, he's supposed to compete with Brodie Croyle, but yeah I think so.

[SammyG]

Only like 10-12 days before preseason begins. Time's almost here. It's been way too long.

[VonErichLives]

*Sigh* I'm 15, Ive said that 1000 times. Can you fugging read? MTH15.

Of course, I should have known 15 was you're age, I assume next year you'll be MTH16?

Well, since you're sooooooooo old and mature, I'll give you the original response.

As long as he gets to play for us again I'm cool.

I have an idea, let's put your mother in a rape stand, have some pit bulls take turns fucking her and then she can pop out some more stupid kids like you.

I understand you're young, but you're 15. You should know right and wrong and understand there are things more important than sports.

Vick is a scum bag, and to say you want him to play for your team again shows what a disgusting person you are.

I'm betting that if you were a Panthers fan you'd still be upset that Carruth is in prison and not on the field.

While at times for the enjoyment we act like sports are the end all, there are things in life much more important, Vick is scum and should never play in the NFL again and hopefully they don't cut a deal and he goes to jail.

[VonErichLives]

Heard that Nike cut thier deal with Vick and are taking his jerseys off the market.

yeah, I thought I heard the NFL and Falcons are pulling all Vick stuff also.

After the charges are delt with, assume he cuts a deal and gets no jail time because he turns people in, it will come down to the NFL wanting to make a statement which I think Goodell is that guy.

The reality is, while 90% of people are disgusted by this, the main protesters are PETA they're the ones picketing and threatining boycotts... well, last time I checked the NFL didn't have a huge audience with PETA, they're upset about the "Pig Skin" and many other things... so it's not like the NFL lost a huge marketing share there...

Hopefully Goodell does the right thing.

on a side note, how would you like to be Bud Selig now? No one is even noticing Bonds and talking Roids with the Vick and NBA Ref issues, the baseball roids issues are bumped to the last page.

[RP]

Diesel Mac, is Huard gonna be your starting QB this year?


lol will it matter?

[D Mac]

Huard > Manning :mad:

[RP]

Hey leave Eli out of this

[SammyG]

Looks like LJ is gonna get a shitload of carries this year.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Vick is a scum bag, and to say you want him to play for your team again shows what a disgusting person you are.

I'm betting that if you were a Panthers fan you'd still be upset that Carruth is in prison and not on the field.

While at times for the enjoyment we act like sports are the end all, there are things in life much more important, Vick is scum and should never play in the NFL again and hopefully they don't cut a deal and he goes to jail.


This. As a player, I like him. As a human being, it's fucking disgusting, and he should be barred from ever playing again, much less being a free man for a very very long time.

[D Mac]

Looks like LJ is gonna get a shitload of carries this year.

Hey Huard did good in place of the injured Green last year so we'll see.

[SammyG]

Yeah, I remember Huard kicking the Rams' ass in St.Louis :( Our D was so terrible. Hopefully we improve.

[MTH15]

1. Pitbulls fugging my mom yea nice comeback
2. How the fuck do you know he did all this? It could have been his cousin that did it and Vick just attended a few. Once again you down syndrome asswipe/hole I said that in a previous post
3. Murder your wife and dogfighting are kinda the same but way different.
4. Ray Carruth is guilty, Mike Vick is not, until you hear he is guilty then talk shit
5. The preseasons like 8 days away yay :)

[RP]

Joey Harrington will throw for 40 td's

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't know if Vick is guilty or not, but I do think it is hilarious that people have learned absolutely nothing from the Duke lacrosse case about jumping to conclusions.

I hate Vick but have to agree.. Sad thing is, regaurdless of what happens people have already made up their minds.. Accusations of rape, molestation, beating women, beating/killing animals, etc will always be guilty until proven innocent..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, Saints training camp started here in town yesterday.. Been busy with work but I'm gonna try to catch a few practices..

[mrslackalack]

Funny thing is LJ wanted to have less carries this season, but the Priest is back so maybe he will get some carries.

[MTH15]

Harrington is signing autographs like hes Vick out there.

[Skippord]

He's signing autographs like a dog murderer

BAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You know, I think what Vick could have did is pretty horrible but come on give me a break...some people are acting like its the most ruthless shit ever, like he went out and murdered a bunch of people or something....have any of you ever seen where your food comes from? Again, don't get me wrong, I have my own dog and think its pretty awful what he COULD have did, but people are acting like he was the one behind the 9/11 attacks or something. Whatever though, I don't really feel bad for him either the dude made millions of dollars to play a game I would play for free, if you're gonna be an idiot about it you get what you deserve

[Mr. Monday Morning]

2. How the fuck do you know he did all this? It could have been his cousin that did it and Vick just attended a few.

He's said publically and to Goodell that he was never there. Whoops.

[VonErichLives]

Huard > Manning :mad:

funny side note: Belicheck gives a lot of credit to beating the Colts in the 2003 AFC championship game to Huard, he studied manning and did "manning" in the practices... not the arm or quickness, but the way he ran the line and called the audibles... they even showed some clips (nfl network) from practice and the game and the movements and even the audible calls were the exact same.

[VonErichLives]

1. Pitbulls fugging my mom yea nice comeback
2. How the fuck do you know he did all this? It could have been his cousin that did it and Vick just attended a few. Once again you down syndrome asswipe/hole I said that in a previous post
3. Murder your wife and dogfighting are kinda the same but way different.
4. Ray Carruth is guilty, Mike Vick is not, until you hear he is guilty then talk shit
5. The preseasons like 8 days away yay :)

Again, I understand you're 4yrs old so I'll try and do this slow so you can follow.

You said it was all fine as long as he gets to play, which means even if he's guilty you don't care as long as he plays for your favorite team, you just don't get it.

Also, you're right he hasn't been convicted, but you look at the facts, this isn't the Duke Lacross case where the facts were shaky from day 1, there is much evidence and a solid case against him.

But, I'm guessing in your book OJ didn't do it either...

You know, I think what Vick could have did is pretty horrible but come on give me a break...some people are acting like its the most ruthless shit ever, like he went out and murdered a bunch of people or something....have any of you ever seen where your food comes from? Again, don't get me wrong, I have my own dog and think its pretty awful what he COULD have did, but people are acting like he was the one behind the 9/11 attacks or something. Whatever though, I don't really feel bad for him either the dude made millions of dollars to play a game I would play for free, if you're gonna be an idiot about it you get what you deserve

Well, to the PETA people animals are more important then people.

My issue is stictly with mth3 who's 3yrs old, and doesn't understand there are things more important than football.

The issue for me and most non-peta people isn't the animal death, it happans, matter of fact there will be 3 different animals dead on my grill this afternoon.

it's how, it's animals focred to fight and if they don't fight well they are killed, it's the idea of a piece of equipment called a "rape stand" for breeding.

That's where my issue is, raising animals for the purpose of food is ok with me, raising animals and forcing them to fight isn't ok.

With Dogs it's different for a lot of people because no one things of a pig (bacon, sausage, porkchops, etc..) as a cute animal, where a lot of people have a Dog and have that image and makes it more difficult for most to handle.

[VonErichLives]

side note: a co-defendent wants to plea... if he does get it expect Vick to be burried.

[RP]

funny side note: Belicheck gives a lot of credit to beating the Colts in the 2003 AFC championship game to Huard, he studied manning and did "manning" in the practices... not the arm or quickness, but the way he ran the line and called the audibles... they even showed some clips (nfl network) from practice and the game and the movements and even the audible calls were the exact same.


I'm sure he maybe could do a fantastic Peyton impression, but aside from that i'm calling bullshit. Simply because ever since Manning has controlled the offense from the line, never has any audible he made been the same as the last time he made it. They switch them up every week and have been doing so since Manning was given that much control. SO i think Belicheck should probably be giving more credit to snowstorms and swallowed whistles, then he does to a backup QB who obviously has alot of time on his hands to fashion his impressions.

[RP]

Again, I understand you're 4yrs old so I'll try and do this slow so you can follow.

You said it was all fine as long as he gets to play, which means even if he's guilty you don't care as long as he plays for your favorite team, you just don't get it.

Also, you're right he hasn't been convicted, but you look at the facts, this isn't the Duke Lacross case where the facts were shaky from day 1, there is much evidence and a solid case against him.

But, I'm guessing in your book OJ didn't do it either...



Well, to the PETA people animals are more important then people.

My issue is stictly with mth3 who's 3yrs old, and doesn't understand there are things more important than football.

The issue for me and most non-peta people isn't the animal death, it happans, matter of fact there will be 3 different animals dead on my grill this afternoon.

it's how, it's animals focred to fight and if they don't fight well they are killed, it's the idea of a piece of equipment called a "rape stand" for breeding.

That's where my issue is, raising animals for the purpose of food is ok with me, raising animals and forcing them to fight isn't ok.

With Dogs it's different for a lot of people because no one things of a pig (bacon, sausage, porkchops, etc..) as a cute animal, where a lot of people have a Dog and have that image and makes it more difficult for most to handle.

Jon Kano?

[MTH15]

Wow this guy not only has down syndrome, but he has allshimers(?) as well. You said I was 6 two days ago. Wednesday I'll be 2 right? Anyway. Say hes guilty and goes to jail for 2 years. If he still plays for us I'll be happy. So? Thats what I think. And IDGAF about O.J.

Please leave it at that cause I dont have time to go back in forth with some disabled person. Art Monk not getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. If the Falc's do bad this year I wont be too dissapointed.....We get a #1 draft pick and if we dont need a QB, we can either trade it or get someone else.

[mrslackalack]

On all the boards I have read people are like, Petreno will tank the season so the Falcons can hopefully get Brian Brohm.

[MTH15]

What school, What Position, Is he good?

[mrslackalack]

Louisville, Senior QB. Some people felt he would have been the #1 pick if he had left early this past season but he decided to stay which shocked everybody considering some of the talent UL lost. He is a great QB in my opinion. Hes been highly touted since HS and is a very accurate QB and a winner. He knows the Bobby Peterno system real well as Petreno was his coach for 3 seasons. Hes one of the favorites for the Heisman this season and is projected as the #1 or #2 pick for the 08 draft.

[MTH15]

Id rather go to the playoffs and lose then tank a season. I hope they just play their hardest.

[mrslackalack]

Next Seasons NFL Draft.....


With the 6th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft................. the Detroit Lions select WR Limas Sweed from the University of Texas.

[mrslackalack]

Some are saying the Falcons are going to be one of if not the worst team in the NFL w/o Vick, but I dont even think they are the worst team in their division. While Harrington is still unproven and they lack a big name WR, they have a good running attack with Warrick Dunn and Norwood (who could have a breakout season) Their defense is solid with guys like Hall and Brooking. I say they will be about 6-10

[MTH15]

Well as me being a die hard fan of course I'll say they go 10-6. I know I might sound like a broken record. But Jerious Norwood is the next big thing. If the Falcons go 6-10 or below I will act gay on here for like a week. And thats a bet.

[DrA]

You know, I bet Vick isn't even the only player in the NFL right now that is involved in dog fighting. Some of those players do crazy shit that none of you would even believe.

[SammyG]

Tony Romo is a fuckin thug.

[SammyG]

ROFL PACMAN JONES SIGNED WITH TNA!!!!!!!!!!

[darkpower]

Some are saying the Falcons are going to be one of if not the worst team in the NFL w/o Vick, but I dont even think they are the worst team in their division. While Harrington is still unproven and they lack a big name WR, they have a good running attack with Warrick Dunn and Norwood (who could have a breakout season) Their defense is solid with guys like Hall and Brooking. I say they will be about 6-10

Name one OTHER good fucking player ON the Falcons (compared to Vick's stats, I mean). I think you will see how right they all are.

I'm not a stat guy, but last year I didn't see too many good things come out of the Falcon's camp on the field (hell, Vick flipped off a fan when they were booing him last year).

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I don't think you'd find many arguing that Crumpler isn't in the top 10 TEs in the league.

[VonErichLives]

I'm sure he maybe could do a fantastic Peyton impression, but aside from that i'm calling bullshit.

Then NFL network doctored the film that they were showing yesterday (or the day before) from 2003 that I was watching, showing Huard in practice and then manning during the game.


You know, I bet Vick isn't even the only player in the NFL right now that is involved in dog fighting. Some of those players do crazy shit that none of you would even believe.


Agreed, hence clinton portis who came to Vicks defense.

that being said, had it been Brady and not Vick, I'd feel the same way.

[VonErichLives]

Wow this guy not only has down syndrome, but he has allshimers(?) as well. You said I was 6 two days ago. Wednesday I'll be 2 right? Anyway. Say hes guilty and goes to jail for 2 years. If he still plays for us I'll be happy. So? Thats what I think. And IDGAF about O.J.

Please leave it at that cause I dont have time to go back in forth with some disabled person. Art Monk not getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. If the Falc's do bad this year I wont be too dissapointed.....We get a #1 draft pick and if we dont need a QB, we can either trade it or get someone else.


We really should have a age mininum to post outside of casual...

[SammyG]

I did't know IDGAF was an abbreviation.

[RP]

Then NFL network doctored the film that they were showing yesterday (or the day before) from 2003 that I was watching, showing Huard in practice and then manning during the game.




Did you just read the first line of my post and reply? If so, maybe you should read it again...


I'm sure he maybe could do a fantastic Peyton impression, but aside from that i'm calling bullshit. Simply because ever since Manning has controlled the offense from the line, never has any audible he made been the same as the last time he made it. They switch them up every week and have been doing so since Manning was given that much control. SO i think Belicheck should probably be giving more credit to snowstorms and swallowed whistles, then he does to a backup QB who obviously has alot of time on his hands to fashion his impressions.

Translation ( just in case you still dont understand ) ... Manning might make the same gestures and signals and yell the same words at the line like Apple Apple and what not, but they attach different plays and different formations and different routes to the audibles every week. So tho Huard can probably act like Manning in practice, it really does nothing for the Patriots, cause they wont know what plays or routes Manning is audibling to. The sound and gestures are the same. The meanings are different every week. Practicing it is a waste. Thats not to say that maybe Belecheck and the Pats D didnt catch on to the audibles and plays as that specific game progressed, but theres no way they could have gameplanned to answer Manning audibles, cause theres no way they would know what they meant. Half of them are dummy calls anyways.

[SammyG]

Vick's co-defendant has pleaded guilty.

[VonErichLives]

I did't know IDGAF was an abbreviation.

If he spelt it out his mommy might wash his mouth out with soap.

Did you just read the first line of my post and reply? If so, maybe you should read it again...




Translation ( just in case you still dont understand ) ... Manning might make the same gestures and signals and yell the same words at the line like Apple Apple and what not, but they attach different plays and different formations and different routes to the audibles every week. So tho Huard can probably act like Manning in practice, it really does nothing for the Patriots, cause they wont know what plays or routes Manning is audibling to. The sound and gestures are the same. The meanings are different every week. Practicing it is a waste. Thats not to say that maybe Belecheck and the Pats D didnt catch on to the audibles and plays as that specific game progressed, but theres no way they could have gameplanned to answer Manning audibles, cause theres no way they would know what they meant. Half of them are dummy calls anyways.

yeah, I misunderstood what you said the first time, thought you meant he never used the same words/numbers again.

That being said, I wouldn't call it a waste, and well... the results show it wasn't, I don't think the idea was to figure out what he was calling, it was to get how he acts, and prepare not to jump early and get confused watching him.

That being said, I can only recall one case of a team clearly knowing the audible of a QB, the Pats vs. Miami it was a game in the late 90's. I say that because I'm pretty sure it was Marino and he called an audible at the line, Todd Collins turns to the defense and motions with his arm in a slant motion... needless to say, Collins walked right through the pass and into the endzone and it was clear he knew what was comming.

So yeah, i'd be shocked if any top QB uses the same calls each week with the same names, especially with todays technology.

[MTH15]

It took you too long to think of that. And your super long post are getting hella annoying. Bill Walsh dies at age 75 of lukemia. :( One of the great head coaches, no doubt

[SammyG]

RIP Bill Walsh. Also, mth, stfu.

[KingofOldSchool]

Walsh :'(

[SammyG]

Barring any huge injury.. I GUARENTEE THE ST.LOUIS RAMS WIN THE NFC WEST THIS YEAR.

[Kris P Lettus]

Name one OTHER good fucking player ON the Falcons (compared to Vick's stats, I mean).

WTF

They have plenty of good players.. Dangelo Hall, Joe Horn, Alge Crumpler, etc..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

SO i think Belicheck should probably be giving more credit to snowstorms and swallowed whistles, lol :'( :'( :'( :'(

[mrslackalack]

RIP Bill Walsh

[mrslackalack]

I agree Alge is def a top 10 (or maybe even top 5 since after Gates and Gonzo theres usually debate) and Hall is a top 10 CB in the league and Brooking is one of the more underated LBs in the league.

[SammyG]

Kinda weird that the Rams have a good-decent TE now, in Randy Mcmichael. It's been forever.

[Hanso Amore]

Kinda weird that the Rams have a good-decent TE now, in Randy Mcmichael. It's been forever.

Makes them look real smart for spending 2 decent picks on TEs before last year just to sign an aging, expensive has been.

[SammyG]

I dunno.. Mcmichael can contribute. Klopfenstein and Byrd are gonna be great as well, Klopfenstein really showed some flashes last year.

[SammyG]

Fahkir Brown missed a test, he didn't do anything to get that 4 game suspension. He said it was simply a misunderstanding of the testing time or whatever. Also, Bob Sanders is on the PUP list. Tough guy.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

he probably missed it because he knew he was going to fail it

[Hanso Amore]

They have to be strict. he may have genuinely forgot the time or not understood, but they cant let it slide, or else everyone who is on something can play that card.

[Hanso Amore]

Also, I thought coming out Klopfenstein and Byrd were going to be nasty, and they still can be, but sticking them behind McMicheal is not helping. This is one of the few times I think youth over experience would be a plus. Randy will pull some attention off the others, so I guess it will work out, but I dont know if I would have done it. I guess that is why I dont have a job as a gm.

[SammyG]

Yeah, Mcmichael is gonna pull attention away from our WR's, we are gonna use him a shitload in the red zone Linehan said. I just can't wait to see this offense. Bulger, Jackson, Holt, Bruce, Bennett, Mcmichael, Brian Leonard. Oh god.

[RP]

Fahkir Brown missed a test, he didn't do anything to get that 4 game suspension. He said it was simply a misunderstanding of the testing time or whatever. Also, Bob Sanders is on the PUP list. Tough guy.


Bob Sanders is still recovering from offseason shoulder surgery. You know.. the shoulder he was wrecking dudes with in the playoffs and to a Superbowl victory. Yah i'd say he's pretty tough. Ask Cedric Benson.

[VonErichLives]

Makes them look real smart for spending 2 decent picks on TEs before last year just to sign an aging, expensive has been.


Aging Hasbeen?

Dude, he just turned 28 and he's only been in the league 6 years...

I don't think he ever lived up to his full potential in Miami, we'll see what he does in STL.

Also, the Patriots have been very succesful making TE a key component, signing free agents and drafting, Grahm 1st round 2002, Watson 1st round 2004 and then Dave Thomas 3rd 2006

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn Chad Scott just got put on IR ending his season...he was projected a starter at CB for the Pats since Samuel still hasn't signed. Really gonna have to sign Asante now, since right now the starting corners for the Pats are Ellis Hobbs and Randall Gay or maybe Brandan Meriweather who played safety in college :|

[VonErichLives]

Damn Chad Scott just got put on IR ending his season...he was projected a starter at CB for the Pats since Samuel still hasn't signed. Really gonna have to sign Asante now, since right now the starting corners for the Pats are Ellis Hobbs and Randall Gay or maybe Brandan Meriweather who played safety in college :|

There was talk of putting merriweather at saftey and wilson at CB...

Not sure Wilson thrills me at CB, and gay/hobbs hold their own, but their asking to get burned, especially by 6ft WR's.

[Hanso Amore]

Aging Hasbeen?

Dude, he just turned 28 and he's only been in the league 6 years...

I don't think he ever lived up to his full potential in Miami, we'll see what he does in STL.

Also, the Patriots have been very succesful making TE a key component, signing free agents and drafting, Grahm 1st round 2002, Watson 1st round 2004 and then Dave Thomas 3rd 2006


28 are you sure? I thought I just read he was 32.

Retract that statement...on the aging part. Has been sticks. he had his time in the sun. Some guys fizzle young.

[SammyG]

Randy Mcmichael is 28 years old, where did you see he was 32?! He's gonna be a huge factor in the redzone for us.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There was talk of putting merriweather at saftey and wilson at CB...

Not sure Wilson thrills me at CB, and gay/hobbs hold their own, but their asking to get burned, especially by 6ft WR's.
Yeah what is the deal with Wilson? Dude fell off the face of the Earth it seems...never hear anything about anymore

[Kris P Lettus]

http://tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1757994&postcount=1478

Culpepper is within hours of signing with Oakland..

Krispy from way dooooowntooown..

[Hanso Amore]

why not just start Jamarcus riight away, they are going to suck either way, instead they sign the guy who was used to describe Russell....except all agree he was better than Daunte

[RP]

I gotta be honest, if Duante didnt get injured, i dont think Jamarcus would be better. But...I think they should start Jamarcus. Seems like they're setting themselves up for a possible quarterback contreversy

[McLegend]

No way should Russel start. Not a good idea to get your QB killed in his first year.

I'm sure by the end of the year though he will be the starter.

[mrslackalack]

Russell is going to hold out it seems. He wants at least 30 mil guarnteed.

Culpepper should start for Oakland then either at the later part of the season or the start of next they should start Russell.

[mrslackalack]

Steven Jackson said his goal this season was at least 2500 total yards.

[OssMan]

I really have a problem with people holding out, you're getting paid to live a dream and you are gonna miss training camp to get an extra million dollars or something. If I was in that position I would seriously play for no salary or the minimum required salary no matter who I was.

[mrslackalack]

I totally agree AM, but guys look at it like ''I am better than so-so at my position and his team is paying him double what I am making, so they expect a large contract like that for themself.

[mrslackalack]

Damn Chad Scott just got put on IR ending his season...he was projected a starter at CB for the Pats since Samuel still hasn't signed. Really gonna have to sign Asante now, since right now the starting corners for the Pats are Ellis Hobbs and Randall Gay or maybe Brandan Meriweather who played safety in college :|

The Pats signed Tory James in the offseason didnt they?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I totally agree AM, but guys look at it like ''I am better than so-so at my position and his team is paying him double what I am making, so they expect a large contract like that for themself.
I dunno I disagree and I don't think thats what they are thinking about...Personally I think players feel that teams aren't loyal to them..so why the fuck should a player be loyal to the team?


Granted these guys make a ridiculous amount of money, but still, it's a business. If a team is ready to cut a player and totaly void his contract at any time why shouldn't a player hold out for more money? They are the only ones generating all the money anyways...Nobody is packing the stadiums to watch the GMs play on Sundays you know?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I totally agree AM, but guys look at it like ''I am better than so-so at my position and his team is paying him double what I am making, so they expect a large contract like that for themself.

It's very rarely, if ever, about that. It's more about agents trying to get the most money they can for their clients. If an agent does what turns out to be a bad deal then the next year other agents can point it out when recruiting - "I wouldn't sign with that guy, look at the lousy deal he got for his client last year".

[SammyG]

Steven Jackson said his goal this season was at least 2500 total yards.
And he's gonna come really close, or do it.

[D Mac]

Culpepper with the fucking Raiders. The Chiefs will eat him alive. :mad:

[SammyG]

Gonna get his ROLL ON

[SammyG]

I always thought that is the gayest touchdown celebration ever. Daunte's roll. So fucking stupid.

[D Mac]

Priest Holmes is making a comeback. It would be sweet if we could get that 1-2 punch of LJ and Priest again.

[SammyG]

Yessss, just secured my ticket for Qwest Field, Oct,21.

[OssMan]

Not gonna lie going to an NFL game and rooting for the other team kinda sucks, Seattle is probably the worst city to do that in too. They retired the number 12 for the 12th man!

[SammyG]

I'm sure I'll survive. I'm gonna clearly be yelling in support of the Rams though, it's gonna be sweet. Think I'll get stabbed?

[Kris P Lettus]

I saw a Bucs fan get his jaw broken in the Superdome a few years ago..

[mrslackalack]

Giants, Redskins and Titans are all going after Simeon Rice.