NFL 2007 Offseason Thread

[D Mac]

And so it begins. The time where we want our teams to get the players that will take us all the way.

Here is the draft order for this year.

1. Oakland (2-14)
2. Detroit (3-13)
3. #Cleveland (4-12)
4. #Tampa Bay (4-12)
5. Arizona (5-11)
6. Washington (5-11)
7. Minnesota (6-10)
8. Houston (6-10)
9. Miami (6-10)
10. Atlanta (7-9)
11. San Fransico (7-9)
12. Buffalo (7-9)
13. St. Louis (8-8)
14. Carolina (8-8)
15. Pittsburgh (8-8)
16. Green Bay (8-8)
17. Jacksonville (8-8)
18. Cincinnati (8-8)
19. Tennessee (8-8)
20. NY Giants (8-8)
21. Denver (9-7)
22. Dallas (9-7)
23. Kansas City (9-7)
24. New England (from Seattle) (9-7)
25. NY Jets (10-6)
26. Philadelphia (10-6)
27. New Orleans (10-6)
28. New England (12-4)
29. Baltimore (13-3)
30. San Diego (14-2)
31. Chicago (13-3)
32. Indianapolis (12-4)

# -Subject to coin flip

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagents.html

[RP]

I'm gunna pick the Colts this year guys.

[RP]

LOL Diesle, did you intentionally pick two of the ugliest cheerleaders you could find to put in your sig?

[SammyG]

Rams are going to win the NFC West this year.

[OssMan]

giants definately need to sign asante samuel but they will probably sign jordan babineaux or something. Giants prediction: 6-10

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Samuel got a tattoo that says GET PAID or something like that, so yeah I can't see the Patriots putting the franchise tag on him and signing him.

[OssMan]

K screw that guy, dont like him anymore

[OssMan]

Redskins 16-0

[RP]

Colts stand to lose Cato June and Nick Harper. Freeney is getting tagged for sure if they cant reach a deal, but i think they'll reach a deal. I dont think they want to lose June and i'm not sure June can get alot more money or not. I mean the Bills paid Larry Tripplett a ton so maybe someone will pay June. June is a great tackeler and a great LB for our system. Harper has become one of my favorite players, but i think we'll lose him. Unless he signs for less then he's worth to stay. Marlin Jackson is ready for a CB spot which makes Harper expendable. I dont like it, but thats business i guess.

I want the Colts to sign Odalius Thomas, but Corey Simon has us so capped strapped, i doubt it.

[Crimson]

I want my Cowboys to sign Steinbach or Leonard Davis on the o-line. That or go after Hamlin at safety.

[RP]

Dominic Rhodes is a free agent also. That sucks. He's probably gone.

[DrA]

Not really a huge load of free agents to choose from this year. I suppose the story of the offseason will be when and where Randy Moss gets traded and the continuing of "musical quarterbacks", with Bledsoe, Garcia, Rattay, etc. find a place to play a year before they go to their next team. Sounds kind of boring to me at this moment.

[DrA]

I can see the Colts repeating next year, especially if Dungy and that coaching staff stay in place. Colts and Bengals look to be two teams to watch out for already come next season.

[D Mac]

LOL Diesle, did you intentionally pick two of the ugliest cheerleaders you could find to put in your sig?

What what u talkin bout. They are finer then the Colts cheerleaders. :y:

[D Mac]

KC should resign Huard. If this is Green's last year maybe he could take over the reigns? Also, Randy Moss to KC? If not maybe Keenan McCardell or David Boston.

[D Mac]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre has asked the team to consider acquiring Moss.

[Nervous Ferret]

Dominic Rhodes will be wearing Green next year. :-\

I don't really know what to think about the Jets here, they are way under the cap apparently though. The Jets really need some depth up the middle. Vilma played his little heart out last year, and the rest of their linebackers kind of stink. Poslusny from PSU is a possibilty in the draft. Kind of dreaming to, but I had a preminission that Warren Sapp will come to the Jets. I dunno if he is a free agent but I definitely see him wanting out of Oakland obviously. New York might be to cold for him though :(

The Jets secondary is decent, it always seems it isn't to hard to find a guy who can play well imediately.

I am already looking at travel plans to Arizona for next February :cool:

[Nervous Ferret]

-thanks stimes

[Nervous Ferret]

Also Jets better freaking get Brian Leonard from Rutgers. They never get anybody from New Jersey. He'd be like Hoover in Carolina

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants are most likely gonna release Carlos Emmons and sign Lance Briggs (who is best friends with Antonio Pierce).

They are also gonna need another RB. I'm hearing Michael Turner's name alot</font>

[OssMan]

Lance Briggs OK, not as good as he's made out to be plus he flourishes in the Bears scheme but I can't see him being that bad. I thought LaVar Arrington was best friends with pierce :shifty: :-\

and yeah michael turner. i dunno. he will probably be really expensive. i really want jacobs to start but i seriously have no idea how he will do.

[Splaya]

They were discussing it on Detroit sports talk radio today that the Bears need to get rid of Grossman, but cannot due to the lack of QB free agents that they can acquire

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Colts stand to lose Cato June and Nick Harper. Freeney is getting tagged for sure if they cant reach a deal, but i think they'll reach a deal. I dont think they want to lose June and i'm not sure June can get alot more money or not. I mean the Bills paid Larry Tripplett a ton so maybe someone will pay June. June is a great tackeler and a great LB for our system. Harper has become one of my favorite players, but i think we'll lose him. Unless he signs for less then he's worth to stay. Marlin Jackson is ready for a CB spot which makes Harper expendable. I dont like it, but thats business i guess.

I want the Colts to sign Odalius Thomas, but Corey Simon has us so capped strapped, i doubt it.I'd think the Colts would be alright with losing June, you're right he does have good speed at the LB position (which you need in that system) but he seems to miss a lot of tackles. I don't think it would be a huge loss

I hope you are wrong about Briggs going to the Giants, I was kind of hoping the Patriots would take a look at him (I haven't heard anything about that) the dude made like 13 tackles last night.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

KC should resign Huard. If this is Green's last year maybe he could take over the reigns? Also, Randy Moss to KC? If not maybe Keenan McCardell or David Boston.

Brodie Croyle

Also can someone fill me in on why Pats are picking 2 spots ahead of the Chargers even though they beat them in the playoffs?

[Gonzo]

They got the pick from Seattle I believe.

[RP]

Thats just dumb to not sign Samuel when you're well underneath the cap and he's just now becoming a big time player. That would seem borderline arrogant. I assume Daniel Grahm is gone too?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thats just dumb to not sign Samuel when you're well underneath the cap and he's just now becoming a big time player. That would seem borderline arrogant. I assume Daniel Grahm is gone too?
I dunno if they feel he is a big time player though, I mean he had a lot of INTS this season but that is not all that goes into it. Its not like he's Champ Bailey out there or something, a lot of teams throw at him...a lot. I mean I would rather they kept him since he is real good, but he got a tattoo that says "GET PAID" so I really don't think he is going to want a reasonable amount of money

Graham will probably be gone aswell,but pretty sure that was part of the plan since they drafted David Thomas in last year's draft (as well as Garrett Mills who was on the practice squad last year)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I am gonna be seriously bummed if the Bengals cut Odell Thurman this offseason. As long as he is on the field there is no way he wouldn't become a top 10 defensive player in the league and he really doesn't seem like a bad guy. He's just a stupid kid who made some bad decisions. He's still ridiculously good at football.

[MTH15]

Assman...you from DC or do you just like the redskins....my prediction. Falcons get a season changer in the offseason and go 11-5. 4-2 in division with losses to Tampa Bay and Carolina.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

No AssMan hates the Redskins, and for some reason always flips out about how everyone always predicts how good the Redskins are going to be (I dunno who these people are, maybe the voices in his head or something) so he says Redskins 16-0 as a "joke"

[Nervous Ferret]

I think he is making fun of ESPN or something cause they always say the Redskins "won" the offseason

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well they sign a lot of good talent every year

I really don't think anybody is picking them for the Superbowl

[MTH15]

I hope they go 0-16 this year....I used to like them but since they lost to the Giants the Falcons were out of the playoffs.

[Gonzo]

Well they sign a lot of good talent every year

I really don't think anybody is picking them for the Superbowl

They do the same thing every year. They go out and spend money on players, but for some reason that organization never equates it into on the field production, ie W's.

If there was no cap they would be the New York Yankees of pro football.

[MTH15]

I remeber when assman said "man steve spurrier took the redskins to the super bowl twice man" lmao..and my friend told me at school that the raiders were gonna try to get Vick...if thats so...Trade him for #1 pick or draft Troy Smith 2nd round or earlier and Trade Vick for moss......even if Vick leaves I'll still be a die hard Falcon fan. and the Giants....7-9 my prediction

[Nervous Ferret]

Anybody know where you can find cap figures? I only know the Jets are way under because Bob Costas said so

[DaveWadding]

Rams are going to win the NFC West this year.

Shut up.

[OssMan]

The reason I hate the Redskins is because every fucking year they make some huge offseason move and everyone around here acts like it's God's gift to the earth and that the Redskins win the superbowl. There are always columns in the Washington Post by the big sports writers predicting 15-1 seasons.

They are fucking retarded when it comes to their team, too. They made Adam Archuleta, a run stopping safety, the highest paid safety of all time and forced him in to a Cover 2 where he naturally blew (how could they not have seen this coming and figured it out once it did???). They sign more and more good players every year and make them suck, and they just get huge signing bonuses and a smaller salary so everyone wants to play there. Does anyone realize they went 5-11 this year?

Their players are huge assholes too. I dunno how anyone can really like Sean Taylor if they arent a Redskins fan, and I think Chris Cooley is about as hatable is JJ Redick. I think the only player I enjoy on their team is Jon Jansen. Their team just seems really dirty to me.

But their fucking owner is the worst fucking owner ever in the history of sports. He is the greediest bastard I have ever seen. Like parking is seriously like $50 at their stadium. Everything about their team is terrible. I can't explain this anymore.

[Nervous Ferret]

lol yeah a few years ago the Redskins seriously took every single restricted free agent the Jets had.

Lavernious Coles
Randy Thomas
John Hall
and at least 1 more, and they ended up trading Coles back to the Jets anyway.

[VonErichLives]

Patriots needs...

LB, LB, LB!!!!

preferable MLB/ILB.

a DB if they let Samuel go, yes he wants to get paid, but he's a lot younger the Ty Law was... the Pats might do it.

Also a Saftey... Harrison ain't getting any younger and Wilson is coming off injury.

I also wouldn't mind seeing the Pats go after Bennett or Curtis. Stallworth will get the top WR money, so one of the others may be available at a reasonable price.

Graham may go, all depends on what someone offers him.

If the Raiders would give the #1 pick for Vick the Falcons should do it, and sign Schaub to start.

Garcia will get an offer or two of starting money, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him take a discount to stay in Philly, where McNabb will get injured eventually.

Turner, it all depends on what a team has to give up (RFA), a friend of mine in SD says the charges really want to keep him, and I don't blame them... I think this guy could tear up the league if given the ball 20-30 times a game.

I would also assume Drew Bledsoe is done, he's always said he would never be on a team as a backup. He's made plenty of money, been in two super bowls, has 1 ring (as a backup, but made the play that put the Pats into that super bowl). Unless he goes somewhere that he's told he can compete for the #1 job in camp and then if he doesn't get it, retire...

[Mr. Monday Morning]

They got the pick from Seattle I believe.

That's the 24, I was referring to the 28 pick

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the way it works is the draft has 4 sections of teams that are ordered by record: non playoff teams, playoff teams, Super Bowl runner up, Super Bowl winner. So even though the Patriots beat the Chargers, the Chargers still had the better record so the Pats pick first.

[OssMan]

lol yeah a few years ago the Redskins seriously took every single restricted free agent the Jets had.

Lavernious Coles
Randy Thomas
John Hall
and at least 1 more, and they ended up trading Coles back to the Jets anyway.remember when Dan Snyder signed Chad Morton cause he ran back like 2 kicks in one game.

[Nervous Ferret]

lol yeah thats who I was forgetting

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://images.sportsline.com/b/ap/photos/Pro_Bowl_Football2800737_lower.jpg
WHAT AN ASSHOLE

[SammyG]

rofl. Class.

[RP]

I'm fairly positive it goes by worst to best regular season records and then superbowl participants.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

You might well be correct

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I hope the Patriots draft Buster Davis out of FSU, dude is a sick fuck

[Gonzo]

remember when Dan Snyder signed Chad Morton cause he ran back like 2 kicks in one game.

Chad Morton fucking sucks. He should go get a job as a dance instructor because thats all he does on the field. Hell would have to freeze over before he just took the ball and ran with it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

DREW BREES WHO DAT!?!?!?

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints will pick up Asante Samuels and Lance Briggs..

:shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

DREW BREES WHO DAT!?!?!?

I wish he'd be more like Brady and not make the Pro Bowl, then I wouldn't have to see him get hurt in a meaningless game..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He had some stiff competiton in the NFC, that's for sure

[Kris P Lettus]

Favre
McNabb
Hasselbeck
Vick
Delhomme
Eli Manning

Plenty have the skills to make it.. Can't blame Brees because they all underachived..

[McLegend]

McNabb was having a Pro bowl year before he got injured.

And lets be serious here for a second what's more important 3 Super Bowl rings or going to a Pro Bowl?

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm not saying Brady isn't a great QB, but how can Stima really take shots at Brees for getting hurt in the Pro Bowl, when Brady didn't even make it??

[McLegend]

Cause he has 3 Super Bowl Rings.

That's why

[Kris P Lettus]

Michael Stima has 3 superbowl rings??

[Astley316]

Anybody know where you can find cap figures? I only know the Jets are way under because Bob Costas said so

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2007salarycap.htm


These are not 100% accurate though, They dont include salery bonuses that are due for certain players, more of a rough guide

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Favre
McNabb
Hasselbeck
Vick
Delhomme
Eli Manning

Plenty have the skills to make it.. Can't blame Brees because they all underachived..
None of those people are anywhere close to being on Brady's level.

How can you blame Brady that he plays in the same conference as Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer?

Also Brady was playing the Pro Am at Pebble Beach this weekend. I dunno about you but I think that's a pretty good deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I was just fucking around...but Eli Manning?

[MTH15]

Speaking of the pro Bowl....Wonder how long Drew Brees is gonna get hurt and how long it'll be before that punter blacks out lol.....Most ruthless pro bowl ever.. :)

[OssMan]

sean "classy high-end guy" taylor

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That punter's comments after the game were great. He was like "Yeah I was thinking it was gonna hurt real bad but then I just kinda got up and it was no big deal. It still looked pretty cool though."

[SammyG]

What is this talk of Moss to Green Bay?

[Tombstone275]

None of those people are anywhere close to being on Brady's level.

How can you blame Brady that he plays in the same conference as Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer?

Also Brady was playing the Pro Am at Pebble Beach this weekend. I dunno about you but I think that's a pretty good deal.
Before you say that look at all the members on the list. Now granted his time has passed, and he should have retired a couple of years ago, but to say Brett Favre isnt at that level and how he plays with shit around him... i mean common... the guys a legend. Dont just throw him under the bus like that and group him with all those other guys.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Pro Bowl isn't supposed to showcase guys that have had the best careers (although if they did Brady would probably start for the AFC)

Favre is old news right now. And right now there is no one in the NFC besides Brees who would even make the AFC roster as an alternate.

[MTH15]

So called NFL experts are annoying.....OMG MOSS TO GREEN BAY...OMG VICK TO RAIDERS....OMFG FARVE TO RETIRE......Experts my ass

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy fuck. On the day Tiki Barber retires, the Giants released Carlos Emmons, Luke Petitgout, and LaVar Arrington. :|

The only one I agree with is Emmons. No idea WTF Reese it thinking with the other moves</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Atleast you got Eli Manning who was a potential Pro Bowl QB according to Krispy

[Kris P Lettus]

Every QB is a potential pro bowler according to how they play..

[Nervous Ferret]

Jake Delhomme was also a Pro Bowl QB according to Kris P

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Every QB is a potential pro bowler according to how they play..
Is that you John Madden?

[Kris P Lettus]

I didn't say he was..

I said "could be"..

I'm just tired of people, who's team is in the AFC using that like it's a reason for not doing stuff..

"Brady would have made it, if he was in the NFC"..

You know what?? Saints would be good every year if the NFC South consisted of the Lions, the Raiders, and the Browns..

[Kris P Lettus]

COME ON

[CNM]

Brady actually could have gone to the Pro Bowl, but passed. That's how Vince Young ended up in it.

[MTH15]

MY guess is that Lavar will go to the Raiders depending on how much cap room they have. And has a team ever signed someone just to trade him for another good player?.....can they?.....should they?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Alright Krispy, besides Drew Brees, name one NFC QB who would've made the Pro Bowl over Manning, Palmer, Brady, and Rivers.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah, I am just gonna bring up some random mix of horrible teams instead

[McLegend]

Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

[Kris P Lettus]

Drew Brees is the only QB that matters..

[Kris P Lettus]

Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

Stupidest shit ever..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh and to answer Supreme's question, Jeff Garcia prolly should have been there over Romo..

[Shisen Kopf]

Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552

He gets canned yet Millen gets to keep his job :wtf:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Its good SD waited to fire him after their offensive coordinator took another job :y:

[RP]

Pete Carroll probably thought the sanction would come down on USC so he called AJ smith and let him know he was still interested.

[VonErichLives]

Alright Krispy, besides Drew Brees, name one NFC QB who would've made the Pro Bowl over Manning, Palmer, Brady, and Rivers.


Oh and to answer Supreme's question, Jeff Garcia prolly should have been there over Romo..

Huh? or was there another question I missed?

Had he stayed healthy and on pace, McNabb would/could have made it over Palmer, Brady, Rivers.

But, he didn't... so it goes under "If grandma had a set of balls she's be grandpa".

In the 80's the balance of power was the NFC, they had good running games and great defenses. They played smash mouth football and won super bowl after superbowl.

The last decade, it's been the AFC, a big reason is if you look at the coach's they're all NFC product of that smash mouth era, while the NFC started producing teams like St Louis aka "the greatest show on turf".

[OssMan]

giants release Petitgout, Carlos Emmons, LaVar Arrington

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

freein up mad cap space and getting rid of the most penalized lineman in NFL history, a crappy linebacker, and a dude who gets injured every year

[OssMan]

Holy fuck. On the day Tiki Barber retires, the Giants released Carlos Emmons, Luke Petitgout, and LaVar Arrington. :|

The only one I agree with is Emmons. No idea WTF Reese it thinking with the other movesoh nice

[Kris P Lettus]

In the 80's the balance of power was the NFC, they had good running games and great defenses. They played smash mouth football and won super bowl after superbowl.

The last decade, it's been the AFC, a big reason is if you look at the coach's they're all NFC product of that smash mouth era, while the NFC started producing teams like St Louis aka "the greatest show on turf".

I said something similar in another thread..

Including this year, the AFC has only won like 8 outta the past 25 SuperBowls..

NFC will be back, one day..

[MTH15]

And about Marty. I heard about it at like 11 ish but was too sleepy to get up and post it on here...Wonder whos gonna pick him up.

[VonErichLives]

And about Marty. I heard about it at like 11 ish but was too sleepy to get up and post it on here...Wonder whos gonna pick him up.

There was a Miami rumor.

But you also wonder at what point a coach who always gets so close, with teams who on paper have been picked to win, but can't seem to get over the hump.

[VonErichLives]

ok, I heard this a few weeks back, but didn't really pay attention.

How the heck is Andre Tippett not in the hall of fame? The only outside LB of that era better then him was Taylor, and Taylors stats per game weren't much better, plus Taylor played on a much better defense most of his career (much better teams also) then Tippett and Andre still put up great numbers...

I admit at times to be blinded by knowing more about the local teams then other teams, but I just don't see how Tippett doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

[MTH15]

Seems like a Tony Dungy story. He lost in the playoffs a lot but finally won. I dont care how many playoff games you lose. 14-2????? I wish the Falcons would have waited...But this would cause Vick to have to use a different strategy...again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants continue their cutting spree, releasing Chad Morton

Meh, no objections there.

Apparently LaVar is leaning towards retirement rather than signing elsewhere</font>

[VonErichLives]

Seems like a Tony Dungy story. He lost in the playoffs a lot but finally won. I dont care how many playoff games you lose. 14-2????? I wish the Falcons would have waited...But this would cause Vick to have to use a different strategy...again.

I'd take Dungy over Marty any day.

Dungy is 9-8 in the playoffs, with a superbowl apperance and win and has been with two teams.

Marty is 5-13 and has coach'd 3 teams (yeah, it's really 4, but I'm not counting the 1yr in washington).

Marty's last 4 playoff losses were upsets in the first game.

2006 - 14-2 lost to the Pats
2004 - 12-4 lost to the Jets
1997 - 13-3 lost to Denver
1995 - 13-3 lost to Indy

I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but history has shown he can't coach in the playoffs, for whatever reason.

Who knows, maybe he goes to Miami and wins it all, I doubt it.

I think he goes away or goes to TV for a few years... maybe we see him back, maybe a top team that has injuries, so the next season they have a top pick and the star players coming back from injury... it would have to be somewhere he could win fast, not a rebuild.

But who knows, there's a rumor starting that Parcells could end up in SD. Good team, (defense, running game, qb) young team, great weather, good golf... I think it's a natural fit... but who knows.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The one thing I notice about Schottenheimer is that he always seems to take over a pretty good team that was bogged down by bad coaches or unmotivated players and turns them into a better team but not a great team. He inherited some pretty good defenses in Cleveland and Kansas City and he was able to hone the skills of Drew Brees to make him a terrific QB.

It seems that Schottenheimer has been haunted by Earnest Byner's fumble more than anybody.

[MTH15]

He really sucks in the playoffs. I said Tony Dungy story but Tony Dungy only lost in the AFC Championship and Divisional Games. But now he wins the Super Bowl. Marty Should just put that behind him. Go to another team. And in 2 years they could have a super bowl.

[VonErichLives]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763247

Short version, Barber takes shots at Coughlin for being to demanding physically.

Which has been a complaints players have always had about coughlin going back to jacksonville.

[OssMan]

maybe that explains the injury problem asshole, mr. "i am going to cut down injuries"

[Gonzo]

I like the moves the Giants made. Emmons is injury plagued and just past his prime. Petitgout is easily replaceable. The guy gets too many dumb penalties and our offensive line still played great without him. LaVar, so I hear, doesn't really make an effort to rehab as well as he should. Chad Morton just plain sucks. Hopefully we're making moves to get to the next level.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Petitgout was one of the more overrated offensive lineman in the NFL

[OssMan]

nah he used to be a premiere right tackle but he got moved to LT and was pretty average but still had high regard

[Hanso Amore]

I'm calling it now, Lance Briggs to the BILLS

If he doesn't get tagged (Which Chicago has hinted at as they don't have enough to pay him the 7.2 mill franchise tag) and the Bills are in the hunt for a bigger linebacker core to stop the run. Briggs Plays in a Cover 2, just like the Bills run (bills DC Perry Fewell came over from the Bears last year, so they familiar) and bills Coach Dick Jauron drafted Briggs. Briggs has recently stated if he can play for any coach, it would be Jauron.

Its a good fit, the bills are 30 mill under the cap, and I think its a high possibility.

Bills are also going to look at Dielman from SD and Steinbach from Cincy to upgrade their line.

Ron Jaworski called it right, the bills will be the Suprise team of 2007. They may not win 12, but they are going to be in the Hunt, much more than people expect.

This year, the Bills were literally 3 or four plays from the playoffs. If Lindell makes a FG he missed against the Colts, the bills win. If they make a 4th and 1 against the Pats, they win. If they stop one run, they beat SD, and they would have been 10-6 and they had the tiebreakers over the whole AFC.

Not to mention had they not blown the pooch against the Titans and lions. They were a much better team than people give them credit for, they really took the tops teams to the end. They were too young this year, one of the youngest. That is what I attribute their losses to. A year of experience under their belt, and their 2nd year under their coaches will take them a long way. I could the the Bills and Jets fighting it out for a Wild card spot at least.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Briggs got tagged today

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10001994

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots tagged Samuel today too, but I got a feeling he is going to hold out..

[Hanso Amore]

FUCK!

[OssMan]

I'm calling it now, Lance Briggs to the BILLS

If he doesn't get tagged (Which Chicago has hinted at as they don't have enough to pay him the 7.2 mill franchise tag) and the Bills are in the hunt for a bigger linebacker core to stop the run. Briggs Plays in a Cover 2, just like the Bills run (bills DC Perry Fewell came over from the Bears last year, so they familiar) and bills Coach Dick Jauron drafted Briggs. Briggs has recently stated if he can play for any coach, it would be Jauron.

Its a good fit, the bills are 30 mill under the cap, and I think its a high possibility.

Bills are also going to look at Dielman from SD and Steinbach from Cincy to upgrade their line.

Ron Jaworski called it right, the bills will be the Suprise team of 2007. They may not win 12, but they are going to be in the Hunt, much more than people expect.

This year, the Bills were literally 3 or four plays from the playoffs. If Lindell makes a FG he missed against the Colts, the bills win. If they make a 4th and 1 against the Pats, they win. If they stop one run, they beat SD, and they would have been 10-6 and they had the tiebreakers over the whole AFC.

Not to mention had they not blown the pooch against the Titans and lions. They were a much better team than people give them credit for, they really took the tops teams to the end. They were too young this year, one of the youngest. That is what I attribute their losses to. A year of experience under their belt, and their 2nd year under their coaches will take them a long way. I could the the Bills and Jets fighting it out for a Wild card spot at least.yeah i love how you make the case that a couple plays would put the bills into the playoffs. because every single team ever can make that same case.

yeah if mathias kiwanuka had held on to vince young for one more second the giants would be 9-7. if Troy Vincent hadn't slipped through the cowboys line then they'd have another win too. if Tony Romo could put the ball on the ground they'd be in the divisional playoffs. if that guy on tennessee does what every kicker for the past 4328 years has done and missed a 62 yard field goal, the colts have home field advantage in the playoffs.

and i hope you realize that there are very few players who will go to a team for anything besides money. almost every single player will go to the team who offers him the most money, no matter what. Lance Briggs is no different.

[VonErichLives]

Patriots tagged Samuel today too, but I got a feeling he is going to hold out..

They have 5 months to work out a deal, I'm not sure if he'll hold out.

If he plays, he gets over 7mil, the downside is it's a 1yr deal, so if he has a bad year he's screwed and that being said, NFL contracts are rarely every gauranteed, but he would get a nice singing bonus.

I wouldn't be suprised to see him delt, if anyone team signs him it's 2 first round picks, I could see that pats dealing him for a 1st to someone, Remember they franchised Tebucky Jones and then delt him for a 2nd and 4th.

I'm suprised they didn't franchie Graham, because the pats usually use the tag for lower priced positions (Kicker & Saftey) and on avg. TE's don't make that much.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

After seeing the Patriots draft 2 tightends in the draft last year I figured Graham was on his way out this offseason...Especially since David Thomas has shown he can be a good TE in the NFL (and he can actually catch the ball with some consistancy too)

[MTH15]

Yea 5 months is a good long time to discuss contracts. I hear so many rumors. I hear Dre Bly wants to get traded. If so Atlanta gives Schaub and Gets Bly and 3rd or 2nd. And I hear Vicks gonna go to the Raiders. And Moss could come tov Atlanta. I think ATL should trade Schaub and 1st rounder for Moss....1st or 2nd rounder. I bet if Vick request Moss Petrino will get Moss. They can both take paycuts if they care about the game that much.

[CNM]

That's way too much for Moss. He MIGHT get a 2nd round pick back for the Raiders, and even that's iffy.

[MTH15]

I think if he cared about the game that much and wanted to actually win he would take a pay cut. Seems like his only in it for the $$$$. I think the Falcons dont need Moss if they could draft a good reciever with there #1 pick. They can get lineman off the Free Agents list and in later rounds. I forgot his name but hes a WR from USC. I think he'd fit in perfectly.

[Hanso Amore]

yeah i love how you make the case that a couple plays would put the bills into the playoffs. because every single team ever can make that same case.

yeah if mathias kiwanuka had held on to vince young for one more second the giants would be 9-7. if Troy Vincent hadn't slipped through the cowboys line then they'd have another win too. if Tony Romo could put the ball on the ground they'd be in the divisional playoffs. if that guy on tennessee does what every kicker for the past 4328 years has done and missed a 62 yard field goal, the colts have home field advantage in the playoffs.

and i hope you realize that there are very few players who will go to a team for anything besides money. almost every single player will go to the team who offers him the most money, no matter what. Lance Briggs is no different.


That is why half the patriots roster takes pay cuts to stick with the team? And older players sign on the cheap to play for a contender, and basically every team has a guy or two that love that team and city and stay wven though they could make a bit more?

And yeah, any team can say that. My point is the difference between Dallas/Giants/Bills and the playoffs are just a few plays, and that they are much better and competitive that a record says. The Bills nearly beat the best teams in the league, they arent just some 7-9 scrub team. So thank you for helping me make my point.

















Dick

[MTH15]

I'm sure people that really care about the game would take a paycut even if it was a large margin. Now they should definately take paycuts if its only by the 10 thousands

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think if he cared about the game that much and wanted to actually win he would take a pay cut. Seems like his only in it for the $$$$. I think the Falcons dont need Moss if they could draft a good reciever with there #1 pick. They can get lineman off the Free Agents list and in later rounds. I forgot his name but hes a WR from USC. I think he'd fit in perfectly.
You're thinking of Dwayne Jarrett...dude is a beast but who knows what'll happen in the NFL. Wide out is a tough position to project..a lot of the good big name NFL wide recievers now weren't even big time players coming out of college.

[Nervous Ferret]

And a lot of them hit their stride 2 or 3 years into their career. READ: Jerricho Cotchery

[MTH15]

Dwayne Jarret, thats his name.I wonder if the Falcons can get him in the second round. I would seriously waste a 1st round pick for him unless some blessing from god happens and Calvin Johnson is available.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Can't see him slipping to the second round

Calvin Johnson is the best player in the draft too, so I dunno. He should go #1 but he won't

[Hanso Amore]

Calvin Johnson is considered the best on potential. College performance wise, I put him under Jarrett and Samardja. But he projects to be a beat cause of his size and speed. I think he is over rated, just another Potential Pick that may not pan out.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno man, he is a fucking beast, has a good head on his shoulders, like a 45 inch vert, is 6'6, and can catch anything....would have put up monster numbers if the QB he played with in college wasn't fucking awful

Give Johnson Leinart or Quinn he is putting up Heisman numbers

Samardja would do dick in the NFL..he is too slow, NFL CBs would put lock him down I think, that's why he is pitching now

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno if you can really call 76 catches 1200 yds and 15 TDs good potential. I'd say he's the best period regardless of how much Reggie Ball sucks.

I'm done trying to predict good WR prospects though. Like the only big time college WRs from the last 5 years that are really good in the NFL are Fitzgerald and Roy Williams.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean check this out. The best NFL WRs have been picked after a bunch of other busts or projects and weren't really big time in college

2006 - Marques Colston 7th round
2005 - pretty worthless WR class so far even though there were 6 WRs picked in the 1st round
2004 - this one actually had guys picked high who played well because Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, and Lee Evans have all been pretty good
2003 - still the greatest video game commercial "I'm Charles Rogers. I had 68 catches and 13 touchdowns" but man did he end up sucking. Andre Johnson is a beast though and Anquan Boldin was like the 6th WR taken
2002 - Stallworth and Lelie have both been decent but not 1st round decent. Javon Walker and Deion Branch have been alright but Branch was the 11th WR drafted
2001- This class ended up having a ton of great pros but they all got picked after a bunch of busts. David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner, and Freddie Mitchell all got drafted before Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith. Also 26 WRs got drafted before TJ Houshmandzadeh


it keeps going too

[OssMan]

is this year the best WR class though? the top 3 guys Jarrett, Ginn, and Johnson would all be the #1 WR prospect in any of the years Supreme posted. Like last year the top prospect was Santonio Holmes and the year before that, Braylon Edwards. I don't remember 3 WR as highly regarded as these 3.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Edwards was highly reguarded coming out of college though

I think Johnson is the only "can't miss" wideout...Ginn and Jarrett could end up being busts

Pretty sure Chad Jackson was like the 3rd or 4th wideout taken in last years draft and he was pretty awful for the Patriots this past season.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Calvin Johnson is probably up there with Fitzgerald in terms of big time can't miss WR's without any real character issues or flaws in his game. But this class could end up being like 2005 with Edwards, Troy Williamson, and Mike Williams.

I really don't think Ginn is gonna be that special. He's too small and not that physical. Still if he runs a sub 4.3 40 I'm sure someone will throw a ton of money at him to at least be a decent return guy.

I bet Sidney Rice will be a pretty good WR in the pros.

[Gonzo]

Ginn is the type of player that is crazy fast and that will get you by in college. When you carry that over into the pros, it doesn't weigh out as much.

[Reavant]

Ginn is the type of player that is crazy fast and that will get you by in college. When you carry that over into the pros, it doesn't weigh out as much.

Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am hoping Sidney Rice falls to the Patriots, that'd be dynooomite.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.
Ginn is going to have a lot of expectations to be like just Hester when he hits the NFL scene though. He already didn't live up to his expectations at Ohio State either, so odds are kinda againest him

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Patriots need to get Dallas Baker. Can't have too many Florida wideouts.

[Reavant]

Ginn is going to have a lot of expectations to be like just Hester when he hits the NFL scene though. He already didn't live up to his expectations at Ohio State either, so odds are kinda againest him

Yea He definatly is going to work harder than he has ever before to be successful at that next level. Its just that someone who is that athletic is hard to keep from makeing at least a couple big plays throughout the entire nfl season. I personally dont think he'll be the next big thing or anything like that, but its probably a real safe bet that he'll make it on espn's highlight reels more than once next year.

[Gonzo]

Your right, but there is exceptions like Devin Hester from chicago. If they have Ginn running back kicks I think we could be hearing a lot about him next year.

To my knowledge Devin Hester didn't really play much D for Chicago. Ginn is fast like Hester is, but Ginn probably won't play much WR at all in the NFL. These guys have raw talent, and having raw talent can get you by in college. Big time schools in college, while they do play similar caliber teams year to year, play a lot of cupcake teams too. When you get to the NFL, even though there are the good and bad teams, the parity is a lot greater. The raw talent needs to be accompanied with some football skill in order for these guys to be utilized as all around players.

[Reavant]

Oh definatly.. I just used Hester as an example because he wasnt a talent guy and he got a lot of attention because he had six or seven kick/punt returns this past season, and I think ginn could do the same.

[MTH15]

Did Calvin return kicks?....And are there any good kick returners in this draft.
Vick and Fitzgerald would be more deadly then any QB/WR combo in the NFL. Last years Pro Bowl. Vick threw it up like 50 yards and it was just up there. Fitz got up and grabbed it. But anyways. Bobby Petrino is gonna try to get a OL or DL in the first round. To me that is a super super waste when you can get Dwayne Jarret or even trade it and get a good WR. THE FALCONS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN THIS OFFSEASON SHOULD BE A WR. WE DONT GET A WR WE WILL GO 5-11. I PROMISE THAT. And as for the Lions. If they get Quinn I hope he doesn't get buried there..

[OssMan]

why would a bad quarterback and a great WR be better than a HOF quarterback and a HOF WR? because they had one connection?

[MTH15]

I might have been exagerating but I think they would be a decent duo.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Corey Dillon is announcing retirement :(

[RP]

I read he wanted out of New England

[RP]

This is a great thing for New England btw. Dillon and his truck load of oxygen tanks off the books and Marhoney moves up to the starting position.

[RP]

Vick been with the Falcons for what, 7 years now? And theres still a question about his ability to play the QB position? Thats not good. I think the Falcons should trade Vick for a high draft pick. Trade him to the Raiders for there pick and then grab Johnson and a Olineman and start Schaub whos very good and just the type of QB they need.

Vick is a bust. He's not going to the Hall of Fame. He's not winning a superbowl. The guy rather smoke blunts with hot bitches then win a Superbowl.

I'd trade that guy to the Raiders while Al Davis is still alive cause once Al is gone, you're stuck with Vick.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Chad Jackson done tore his ACL

[DrA]

Vick been with the Falcons for what, 7 years now? And theres still a question about his ability to play the QB position? Thats not good. I think the Falcons should trade Vick for a high draft pick. Trade him to the Raiders for there pick and then grab Johnson and a Olineman and start Schaub whos very good and just the type of QB they need.

Vick is a bust. He's not going to the Hall of Fame. He's not winning a superbowl. The guy rather smoke blunts with hot bitches then win a Superbowl.

I'd trade that guy to the Raiders while Al Davis is still alive cause once Al is gone, you're stuck with Vick.
Without Vick Atlanta and Cleveland are the most generic teams in the NFL. Say what you want, but Vick is entertaining to watch and his style of play, though erradic, always gives the Faclons a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. It's not like they are going to be that much better without him.

So, what would you rather have in a worst case scenerio: a boring team that sucks or a team that is entertaining while they suck?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I read he wanted out of New England
Well originally the Boston Media reported that he wanted to retire (since that is what he told them) but now his agent is coming out and saying if somebody wants him he'll play, but if not he'll retire

[VonErichLives]

Zach DeOssie is getting good reviews from the camp, he's the first player to be invited from Brown Univ.

I was hopping the pats would get him late, but looks like he's moving up.

Of course, Mike Mamula was a mid draft guy, had a great combine and moved into the top 10 and well, never did much after that.

As for Dillon good bye... thanks for the year we needed you.

He wants the Pats to cut him early, but if they wait it counts less against the cap. The Pats will wait, someone will take him, he's got more life in those legs.

There's talk that the Pats may go after Thomas Jones to back up Maroney, I heard something about the Bears looking to deal him (is this his idea or the bears or both?)

[SammyG]

LT's dad died in a car accident today :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why would the Bears trade their starting running back? That makes no sense to me

DeOssie played with a kid I played with in high school at Brown, I guess he is a beast but it's Ivy league who knows if that'll translate to the NFL. I remember there was a local kid who went Northeastern a few years back and was a monster there but I don't think he ever really panned out - I can't remember his name now though

[Nervous Ferret]

OMG Clevenland won the coin toss

[RP]

Without Vick Atlanta and Cleveland are the most generic teams in the NFL. Say what you want, but Vick is entertaining to watch and his style of play, though erradic, always gives the Faclons a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. It's not like they are going to be that much better without him.

So, what would you rather have in a worst case scenerio: a boring team that sucks or a team that is entertaining while they suck?

Vick is a wide reciever or running back. Its pretty simple. The guy isnt a Quarterback. If you're drafted #1 and you get paid a 100million to play and we're still trying to figure out what type of quarterback you should be after 7 seasons, then you arent a QB.

Falcons are not a worst case scenario. They're one maybe two key players away from being legit contenders in the NFC. They trade Vick and start Schaub ( whos no doubt a better Qb ) and draft a WR and a lineman. Plus they have Warrick Dunn ( the most underrated runningback in the last 10 years ) and they have a pretty good defense with some playmakers.

And who cares if the team is boring? The Patriots were boring, but they won 3 Superbowls. Thats a pretty damn good boring if you ask me.

And not to mention anyone could win the NFC every year.

[VonErichLives]

Why would the Bears trade their starting running back? That makes no sense to me

DeOssie played with a kid I played with in high school at Brown, I guess he is a beast but it's Ivy league who knows if that'll translate to the NFL. I remember there was a local kid who went Northeastern a few years back and was a monster there but I don't think he ever really panned out - I can't remember his name now though

he's getting a lot of notice for his speed, I guess he has like RB type speed to go along with his size.

Then again, so did Andy Katzenmoyer...

As for Jones, I read something today that the Bears are going with Benson next season as the #1.

As for Vick, Dan Marino said it best on inside the NFL, they need to go 5-wide, create quick and simple reads for him, let him be mobile, he's still fast enough to avoid most blitzes and has a great arm, he's one of the best over-all athletes in the nfl and say he has one of the strongest arms. Going 5-wide will create miss matched for him. Bassicly almost a run and shoot type offense, with a running QB.

I could see that working very will for the Falcons. they need to strop trying to reach Vick a new system and fit him in, they need to put a system in that he can handle. He's not great at reading coverage, will he learn? well, he hasn't yet, so probably not.

I wouldn't mind seeing Vick at RB and Schaub at QB... imagine the Defenses on their toes all the time because of QB Options.

[SammyG]

I'm pretty sure Vick would die playing RB.

[VonErichLives]

I'm pretty sure Vick would die playing RB.

What makes you think that?

[SammyG]

I can just picture him getting hammered, running in between the tackles.

[VonErichLives]

I can just picture him getting hammered, running in between the tackles.

he's what, 6ft, about 215lbs? now bad size, that and I'm pretty sure he's been hit rather well as a QB.

I have some concern with his speed he might try and bounce to the outside all the time, but I also think with his speed it could work.

Also, how much would defenses have to stay on their heels incase it's an option/pass?

could be interesting, like have 2 qb's in the backfield.

I still think he could be a decent QB, just needs the system designed to him, rather then trying to teach him the system.

[SammyG]

If I was Schaub I'd demand a trade, cuz he could easily start for another NFL team.

[OssMan]

Imagine how on their heels defenses would be with Vick at QB and Schaub at RB! Think of all the options! :roll:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Look who Vick is throwing too.

I dunno I think he has had a pretty successful career thus far, I mean hes been in atleast 2 or 3 probowls hasn't he?

[OssMan]

John Lynch made the probowl this year with 83 tackles, 0 sacks, and 0 interceptions so I don't think you can really argue pro bowls as a way to rate a player

[Skippord]

Another Bronco Died:

http://www.comcast.net/sports/index.jsp?cat=SPORTS&fn=/2007/02/24/595577.html&cvqh=itn_broncosRB

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nash collapsed shortly after participating in the game benefiting a foundation named for older brother Darris Nash. The foundation raises money for heart transplant research. It was established last month, after Darris Nash received a heart transplant.

...Damn

[RP]

Thats unreal

[SammyG]

Holy shit, this is crazy.

[VonErichLives]

Imagine how on their heels defenses would be with Vick at QB and Schaub at RB! Think of all the options! :roll:

yeah, cause Schaub has the same speed and agility as Vick. :roll: :roll:

[RP]

LOL at VEL taking Assman so seriously.

[VonErichLives]

LOL at VEL taking Assman so seriously.

took him as being sarcastic, seemed he was saying that what I was saying was Vick would be the same as Schaub at RB.

[OssMan]

Nah my post had absolutely no meaning at all and implied nothing, but thanks for thinking of me

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40 in someone else's cleats

[OssMan]

I so hope all this Calvin Johnson hype turns into nothing, maybe people will learn that the combine will only predict who is a better lab specimen and not who can play football. I'm sure whatever my 40 time is, I can run it in someone elses shoes too

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the whole story is he came into the combine a few pounds over his playing weight and said he was just gonna run the 40 at Georgia Tech's pro day and he hadn't bothered preparing for it but then he decided to run it anyways so he borrowed someone else's shoes and ran a cold 4.35.

[MTH15]

Vickless Falcons would be like Manningless colts. We get a key receiver and we will win a super bowl. I remeber Roy Williams killed him at that dallas game when he was RB. He should be a....a slash

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I so hope all this Calvin Johnson hype turns into nothing, maybe people will learn that the combine will only predict who is a better lab specimen and not who can play football. I'm sure whatever my 40 time is, I can run it in someone elses shoes too
Have you watched him play?

Also you are completely wrong about the combine, but alright

REDSKINS 16-0

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Before somebody says anything, I am saying he is wrong that the combine only predicts who is better specimen and not who can actaully play football. I think the shit they do is important and does mean something, along with comparing it to game tape and things like that.

You can watch a guy on film and be totally wrong too

[DrA]

I don't see the 40 yard dash as something that should be as scrutinzed as much as it is, since guys running it are just hundredths of a second off really. Also, the skill position guys that run a 4.6 or worse are good football players anyway or else they would not be invited to the combine. I also do not give a shit how fast an offensive lineman runs 40 yards. It is not important.

The position drills they have there are the best indicators, but it still can't completely emulate a game time environment.

Really, you just have to know what to look out for, and unless you're a scout or a coach, it's actually pretty difficult to see a player's strengths or weaknesses at the combine.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno, I think it helps show what type of explosion a player has and things like that. I mean the defensive end from Texas, Roberson, had a fucking 40.5 inch vert for a white boy. Then he had a good 40 time and looked real explosive overall in all his drills, now he is getting talked about as an outside linebacker and maybe they've found something there.

I think there is a difference between wide out running a 4.4 or a 4.9 or something too, I realize it may not seem like much but its the fucking NFL. Not saying dudes can't make it who run 4.8's but I'd like to see if there is any wideouts in the NFL right now who do.

[RP]

I think Calvin Johnson could be the best WR ever. Honestly. The guy is a beast at every aspect of the game. And he's not a headcase. That being said, Jamarcus Russel looks like the next coming of Donavin Mcnabb so i dont know.


I sure as hell wouldnt touch Brady Quinn. Brady Quinn has Joey Harrington written all over him.

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah, agree on the Quinn thing. Something just tells me he's going to blow quite fiercely

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno if either of the QBs are going to be that good. Everyone has fallen in love with Russell because he is big and can throw the ball 70 yards...I dunno he didn't seem to be that highly rated then he goes out and mops the floor with a weak Notre Dame defense and now he is the consensus #1 Overall pick...I don't get it.

Calvin Johnson is going to be the best player out of this draft, I'll be really really surprised if he is a bust, only way I can see that happening is if he gets injuried or something. I really think he is about as "can't miss" as you can get. 6'6" 235 pounds, 40 inch vert 4.35 40 with great hands, also like RP pointed out he is just about as far away from as as headcase as you can get. If Mario Williams went #1 this guy should go #1

[RP]

If Mario Williams went #1 Bob Sanders should have went #1

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Its been almost a year and I still can't believe Mario Williams went #1 lol

The best part is the defensive player they drafted in the second round is better then Williams

[DrA]

Guys, you are forgetting that Mario Williams was the star on one of the greatest defensive lines that North Carolina State ever had.

[MTH15]

I liked the couting combine. Today at off-season workout we had to lift a lot. Now I know what those Prospects go through.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Dwight Freeney asked for a 30 million dollar signing bonus lol

[SammyG]

So it's pretty much agreed on that the Raiders are gonna draft Russell right?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It was a given that the Texans where drafting Reggie Bush......we thought

[SammyG]

I pray to God the Lions draft another receiver. and then Millen gets on the stage and starts LOLING

[RP]

Dwight Freeney asked for a 30 million dollar signing bonus lol

Where you read that?

[RP]

NM i just read something about it. Yah, i dont know about that. 30 million is alot. I think Freeney is the best DE in the league. There is no other DE that impacts the game like Freeney. Not Peppers not anyone. The way teams change there entire offensive protection schemes to block Freeney is unheard of. The fact that he only got 5 sacks this season wasnt because he had an off year, it was because of two reasons. One, we had no Bob Sanders to sure up the middle run defense. So teams where just running away from Freeney all the time. Two, teams where putting a O linemen, a Tight End and keeping a running back in to block Freeney. It was nuts. The guy is worth alot of money. 9 million a year with a 30 mil signing bonus? I dunno. Its definetly debatable. He might be the deadliest defensive weapon in the league.

But it really doesnt matter cause the Colts cant afford those numbers.

They're probably gunna lose June also. Even after Manning restructured. Plus they need to sign Diem and Lilja and it'd be really nice to sign Dominic Rhodes if he can stay sober.

Man, i dont know if Freeney is worth that or not. Any other DE, i'd say HELL no. But if you actually realize what Freeney does in our defense and how teams play the guy. He essentially occupies 3 offensive players on every play.

I just dont know. Atleast we'll have him for one more season. I cant see Dwight playing for any other team. I hope Polian can work some sort of magic.

[RP]

I'm reading that alot of people are complaining that the turf in the RCA dome is " slow" . Kind of puts to rest those myths that the Colts play alot faster at home i guess. I dunno. Superbowl Champs what?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

You could probably pick up Kerney for half what Freeney wants

[RP]

You could probably pick up Kerney for half what Freeney wants


Thats the most retarded thing i've ever seen posted on this board.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think Freeney is the best DE in the league. There is no other DE that impacts the game like Freeney. Not Peppers not anyone.
Jason Taylor? I'd think the Defensive PotY would probably be the best at his position.

[Kris P Lettus]

Will Smith

:shifty:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Thats the most retarded thing i've ever seen posted on this board.

You obviously don't read your own posts.

I wrote out a huge explanation but to be honest if you think Kerney is worth more than half of what Freeney is then good for you.

[MTH15]

30 million dollars? In madden I can barely go to 10 mill in signing bonuses. Damn

[SammyG]

I want Okoye.

[SammyG]

in St.Louis

[weather vane]

Jason Taylor is better than Dwight Freeney.

[RP]

You guys honestly think Jason Taylor is better then Freeney? Listen, in order to judge how good Freeney is, you have to really watch and understand what goes on during the Colts games. You cant begin to measure how good the guy is if you just look at stats. Freeney changes everything. Jason Taylor is good, but just because he won this years award doesnt make him better then Freeney.

As far as Kerney goes. I said that cause the idea that we should get Kerney and replace him with Freeney and think that he could actually do what Freeney does is crazy. I'd rather overpay Freeney then get Kerney for half price.

I guess alot of people dont even realize what Freeney creates just with his presence alone.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol you are such a homer like really really extreme

Freeney is real good, but best DE in the NFL? I dunno about all that...5 sacks..Do you think he is the only D-End to ever draw a lot attention to himself? A 30 million dollar signing bonus is fucking ridiculous, and just saying its "debatable" makes me almost not even wanna read the rest of your posts in this thread.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Dre Bly went to the Broncos

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jamal Lewis and Joey Porter both got released. Lewis is supposed to resign I think.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Porter got released too? Wow

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Steelers probably got tired of him being a bitch. That would be understandable since Porter is a huge bitch.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If you're gonna make a case for someone being the best defensive end in the NFL, it'd probably help if that player was in, say, the top 50 in sacks this year.

Freeney isn't btw

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Especially when you are a undersized pass rushing defensive end...

[RP]

your guy's ignorance towards football is amazing. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. You see 5 sacks and nothing else. You dont even take in consideration what happend all season long.

More later..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The best defensive end in the NFL is cleary Jonathan Fanene of the Cincinnati Bengals. I know what you're thinking. He didn't even play in 12 games this year but hear me out. What Fanene does that no one else in the NFL can do is he brings fear to the opposition from his position on the sideline. An opponent's offensive tackles see him on the sideline pacing like a tiger waiting to attack and they say to themselves "Oh shit! I don't wanna make the starting DE's look bad and make them get benched so Fanene comes in and gets 57 sacks. I better let the guys in beat me a couple times so they look like they're really good and they keep playing. Few! Glad that's over."

You can't judge a player by stupid shit like statistics or games played. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that real skill is how well you can psyche out the other team's offensive line.

If you don't agree with this flawless logic then it's clearly an indication of your ignorance.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

your guy's ignorance towards football is amazing.
lol

You act like Freeney is the only person in the NFL who gets keyed on and offenses avoid..So teams didn't key on him in 2003? 2004? 2005?

He isn't the best defensive end, the best defensive end doesn't have an "off" year.

Explain to me how he is better then Jason Taylor, who to me, is a much more complete player.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Joe Horn got cut too

WHO DAT?!!!?!?!?!??!

[Crimson]

Cowboys should get Mike Doss. ANYONE to help out back there.

And yea Jason Taylor > Freeney

[MTH15]

OMFG, Petrino better sign Joe Horn or I'll cut him...JK but I dont know if we should...hes getting older and IDK how much he'll cost. Petrino says that Mike Vick will pass a lot more this year...We'll see. And is Bly a Safety or Corner

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bly is a corner

I also heard the samething about Vick having a limited number of carries this up coming season. I don't know, who the hell is Vick gonna throw to other then Crumpler?

[MTH15]

Thats why we should trade like 50 people for the Lions pick and get Calvin Johnson. If we stay at 10th we can get Laron Landry though. They had a nice picture or him doing his vertical. I just hope Bobby doesn't waste a pick.
Hmm I wish our salary cap was huge :(. I'd trade Matt Schaub, Warrick Dunn, 1st rounder, and IDK for the Lions pick. I really want Laron Landry though. O Well

[Nervous Ferret]

COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNN Adalius Thomas

[Gonzo]

Haha Freeney is not the best DE in the NFL. The guy is a great player but c'mon.

I think Osi Umenyiora and Mike Strahan are good DE's, they both draw double teams all the time (when they're not injured.) Michael Strahan has been drawing double teams his whole career more or less, but I don't consider him the best in the league.

[Gonzo]

Here is a small article on ESPN.com of some of the meetings players have arranged with certain teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2785239

Says that Leonard Davis (OT, Arizona) is seeing interest from at least three NFC East teams. I would think that one is the Giants because we lost both our LT's already.

Dominic Rhodes is also apparently supposed to meet with the Giants. I don't know. I don't think that we need a big name signing at RB. Unless they go after someone with the intent of making them a change of pace back. I want to see Brandon Jacobs carry the load.

[MTH15]

My question is who will Joey Porter go to..The falcons need another solid OLB. We need an experienced receiver like Joe Horn.My predictions for a succesful season. Draft LaRon Landry, sign Joe Horn, Release Patrick Kerney, We need a powerback, thats why our redzone % sucked horribly,Release Allen Rossum,trade Warrick Dunn and Matt Schaub for high draft picks, Draft Tedd Ginn Jr. and put him at Kick Returner. And draft some Lineman 2nd-4th. Sign some in Free Agency.

[Nervous Ferret]

I realize you are 14 and are adament about your "ATL Falcons" but why on earth would they release Warrick Dunn?

[McLegend]

Because you are a raging homosexual

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Steelers probably got tired of him being a bitch. That would be understandable since Porter is a huge bitch.

I'm just gonna leave this quote here as a marker in case the Bengals turn around and sign him.

I realize you are 14 and are adament about your "ATL Falcons" but why on earth would they release Warrick Dunn?

To be fair he is slowing down a LOT now - I think he had like 2 100 yard games in the first 2 games of the season, and he didn't come close after that. Plus if Jerious Norwood is healthy, he's shown pretty good potential as a gamebreaker. Pair him with a back like Jamal Lewis (example, not saying they're gonna sign him) and that would work pretty well.

Looks like a bidding war between the 49ers and the Pats for Adalius Thomas. Will be interesting to see which way he leans, money or the greater chance at winning. 49ers are meant to be hot favourites to land Nate Clements too.

[weather vane]

Jake the Snake retiring?

[SammyG]

Yup. Plummer retiring because he doesn't wanna be traded to Tampa Bay.

[FearedSanctity]

Incredibly weak. Just go so we can get our damn draft pick :mad:

[ClockShot]

Jake the Snake retiring?

Yup. They were gonna deal him out to the Bucs for one of their draft picks. He didn't want to be traded off the team, so he decided to retire instead.

Here's the scoop. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2785459

So, I assume we are gonna go QB shopping this offseason. And now we got Dre Bly to replace Darrent Williams (R.I.P. :'( ) However, I'm still edgy on Cutler starting.

[ClockShot]

Also, Patriots cut RB Corey Dillion.

[SammyG]

Niners, Pats going after Thomas.

[MTH15]

Lets see I say so many things on NFL Network today where do I start...
Patrick Kerney, a TE and another guy visiting the Broncos Friday. I THINK the Falcons released Justin Griffith (STUPID) I know they released Ed Hartwell and Ike Reese.(Now we could put Keith Brooking back at Mike and try to get Joey Porter), Some FB is visiting us Friday. Jeff Garcia is visiting the Raiders And about that comment.

I think we should trade Warrick Dunn because it would be useless to have 2 good backs and 1 big one.We need 1 starter and 1 power. Yes he is slowing down now. I was gonna say its the line but nope. Jerious Norwood busted so many good runs with the same line. Dont be afraid to release anybody. This is a business and btw I'm 15 my birthday is today. So yea that makes my points

More news
Najeh Davenpot resigned a 2 year contract with steelers
Fred Smoot Visits redskins
Fred Taylor signed extension with Jacksonville
Damon Huard signs 3 year extension
Just a few signings and shit

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Heard Dominic Rhodes is planning on visiting with the Giants, makes a lot of sense..I think he would be a good fit there.

Colts cut Brandon Stokley, can't say I'm surprised. They don't really need him

[King Steve]

DILLON :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me why he asked to be cut, splitting time with Maroney seemed like a pretty good fit and I am pretty decent he was owed a decent amount of money in the up coming season. That's why I think he is gonna end up retiring, maybe not tho

[SammyG]

rofl @ THE ATL FALCONS giving that fullback 18 million. Also, Rams sign Hall, pretty good signing.

[MTH15]

Seriously 18 million to a fullback who is a no name to me. They could save some money and get Moss. They should've just kept Justin Griffith. And I'm waiting on Bobby to sign someone good. Theres 5 good people out there now and hes only managed to cut 3 players and give a no name a fat paycheck.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just saw Patriots had TE Kyle Brady and RB Sammy Morris in Foxboro today...I don't really get bringing in Brady, taking a look at Morris makes a lot more sense to me tho

BTW A lot of fullbacks are "no-name" but Ovie Mughelli is a real good fullback. You talk about how they have a weak redzone offense, adding a good blocking fullback helps a lot

[MTH15]

I see what your saying. I went to the website and they said a lot about him. He plugs up gaps and s a power runner is what it says. I still think 18 million with a 5 million dollar signing bonus is a lot.

[VonErichLives]

taylor is the best DE today, freeny is in the 2nd group and there are a lot of good DE's in the league. Taylor is the most complete DE in the league.

Freeny, Smith, Seymore, Schobel are all in group 2 and could take over as #1 as Taylor gets older.

Stima - Kyle Brady I assume is a blocker and a vetran for depth. Dave Thomas will be in his 2nd year and didn't play much and Watson has had cases of the dropsies.

As for the other Thomas, the signing would be huge for the Pats, but I wont get excited until it happens.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit. Clements to 49ers- 8 years, $80 mil</font>

[RP]

Here is a small article on ESPN.com of some of the meetings players have arranged with certain teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2785239

Says that Leonard Davis (OT, Arizona) is seeing interest from at least three NFC East teams. I would think that one is the Giants because we lost both our LT's already.

Dominic Rhodes is also apparently supposed to meet with the Giants. I don't know. I don't think that we need a big name signing at RB. Unless they go after someone with the intent of making them a change of pace back. I want to see Brandon Jacobs carry the load.

Though Rhodes is not nearly as good as Tiki, i think he fits the Tiki mold really nicely. I'd be excited about that possible pick up if i were you. He's pretty good. You might see. I hope it dont happen. I really want Dominic back. Even if he runs me off the highway at 3am in the morning.:-\

Brandon Jacobs is a fucking beast. Definetly a sleeper pick for me next year in ff.

[RP]

Thomas to the Pats. Nice pick up.

I dunno what the hell the 49ers were thinking paying that much for Nate Clements, he must have had a gun during negotiations. Though he is a top 5 cornerback.

[Hanso Amore]

Thomas to the Pats. Nice pick up.

I dunno what the hell the 49ers were thinking paying that much for Nate Clements, he must have had a gun during negotiations. Though he is a top 5 cornerback.


Im a bills fan, I have watched Clements 6 years, and let me tell you, he is not a top 5 CB. Maybe top 15. He made bank in a weak market. He gets burned alot, and takes too many plays off. When he is hot, he is amazing, but that like like 20 percent of the time. I wish we could have kept him because he is a good starter, but for that money, SEE YA. I can name 5 CBs I would rather have.

Bailey
D Hall
Samuel
Rashean Mathis
Nathan Vasher

I could keep going. Worst signing so far for that money.

That said, he makes the Niner D better, their secondary was crap last year.

[VonErichLives]

Brandon Jacobs is a fucking beast. Definetly a sleeper pick for me next year in ff.

He avg 4.4yds per carry and scored 9 times last year.

Unless your in a league of people that have never watched football he wont be a "sleeper" pick anywhere.

[MTH15]

I've been reading things about a lot of trades. Bucs for Raiders, Cleveland for Miami, ATL for Detroit, and a lot more. But I think this dude knew nothing about football. I'm still pondering with my head about to explode, about LaRon Landry still being there at 10th...And me and my friend were debating for like 10 mins about that 8 year contract. He said it can only go up to 7 years. But he turned to NFL Network and saw it...so I won :)

[Gonzo]

Though Rhodes is not nearly as good as Tiki, i think he fits the Tiki mold really nicely. I'd be excited about that possible pick up if i were you. He's pretty good. You might see. I hope it dont happen. I really want Dominic back. Even if he runs me off the highway at 3am in the morning.:-\

Brandon Jacobs is a fucking beast. Definetly a sleeper pick for me next year in ff.

Its not so much that, I know Rhodes is a solid back. I just don't want to see Jacobs never get a chance or something. I think Jacobs can be a real beast in this league.

The guy is just an amazing specimen, he is like 6'4", 250lbs. and can move fast. He has a few fundamental weaknesses but nothing that couldn't be shored up easily.

[MTH15]

In the Preseason and the first 2 weeks they should start Brandon and see how he does. If he does bad put Rhodes in (If they sign him) But that'd be a waste. Anybody that makes Derrick Brooks go low on you, you have something special.

[VonErichLives]

Word is the Pats are going to sign Wes Welker from Miami, he's a RFA so it will cost the pats a 2nd round pick.

The Saints have a deal with Bennet, I'd rather see the Pats go after Kevin Curtis and not spend the draft pick.

[VonErichLives]

as I was typing that it was reported on the radio that the Pats signed Sammy Morris.

[MTH15]

Who is Sammy Morris and what positions?

[ClockShot]

Jeff Garcia goes to Tampa Bay for two years. Bucs. also get the Plummer trade as well, for a draft pick to the Broncos in exchange. However, If Plummer doesn't report, Broncos don't get the pick.

[SammyG]

Rams got Bennett. I like, I like.