MLB 2009 Season Thread

[Nervous Ferret]

lol 'Franklin is mint'

Spilly is at the All-Star game

[Loose Cannon]

http://partmule.com/Uploads/pedro_imposter_down.jpg

Fatality

[Droford]

Ichiro looked like a 12 year old with Obama.

[Nervous Ferret]

Poo-holes

[Triple Naitch]

Goddamn these pregame things take fucking forever.

[Triple Naitch]

lol Tommy Timberlake III

[Triple Naitch]

http://www.jesuittampa.org/userfiles/image/Other/Awards-Timberlake.jpg

Obsessed with this kid now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol @ Ted Lilly's reception

Go National League</font>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hate Fox's "ceremonial" music that they always play. So cheesy.

[Jeritron]

I hate that so much too. My friend and me were just complaining about it

[Triple Naitch]

More annoying than the NFL robots?

[Jeritron]

these ceremonies are awful. So are Buck and McCarver. Fox sucks.

I like Lincecum but they need to relax about him. I wish they'd put Artie Lange in the booth just to make things interesting

[Jeritron]

More annoying than the NFL robots?

The NFL robots finally became worth it when they fought Terminators during the Superbowl

[Triple Naitch]

8:49....still no first pitch

[Innovator]

Ichiro, Jeter, Mauer, Tex Message

Not a bad 1-4, I'd go 1-5 but Fuck Bay

[Innovator]

WAHT THE FUCK LINCECUM

[McLegend]

Ryan Howard would have had that ball

[Jeritron]

Maybe, but Ryan Howard doesn't bat over .330 every year in addition to his HRs

[McLegend]

I want Roy Halladay

[Jeritron]

We already have dibs

[McLegend]

No you don't.

[ClockShot]

What the hell, Doc Halladay?!

[The Pope]

Dan haren

[Innovator]

Giving the NL the lead back....interesting Halladay...I'M ONTO YOU

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>"Baseball has seen a lot more parity this year...except for the Nationals."
-Barack Obama

Love it.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Anyway I kinda have a really bad feeling that if the NL loses it, it will be due to K-Rod...whenever he comes in. I felt the same way about Wagner last year and he allowed the tying run.

Come to think K-Rod's prolly the favorite to pitch the 9th now that Broxton is out of the game. Gonna be so pissed if the game is lost due to a Met, but it's one of those years I guess.</font> :o

[Innovator]

I'm saying K-Rod walks Rivera AGAIN, then Wright goes down looking

[Triple Naitch]

The All Star festivities have been hella boring this year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

"Everyone who his a good hitter, will use the other side of the field in which to hit"

SHUT THE FUCK UP MCCARVER

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, just about anybody else would be better than these two clowns.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

couple things thus far

I love Fox, thier old school tributes and thier music :(

How awesome is the prez? Baggy jeans, Sox jacket and all

3-3, Jeter scored twice :cool:

[Loose Cannon]

I guess I am the only Fox fan on this board because I love Buck and McCarver too.

[McLegend]

He throws like a girl.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OMG just read somewhere that Erin Andrews got hit in the face by an Alex Cora foul ball last week at Citi Field. She just got hit in the chin and is fine but still, Cora you fucker.

[Innovator]

FUCK YOU ALEX CORA, YOU DO NOT HIT ERIN ANDREWS

[Triple Naitch]

I'd like to hit Erin Andrews on the chin with my balls. :naughty:

[Innovator]

Simmons said it best, anytime a woman goes into the press box, she goes up a notch, at least from a C- to a B. So when Erin Andrews walks in, jaws are dropping

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

4-3, AL, bottom of the 9th...gettin' kinda tense in here.

[Innovator]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Also, gotta kinda wonder just how quick Obama got to the ballpark, because he had a speech to a bunch of students at Macomb Community College (somewhere over by Detroit) from 3:30-4...although, I'm sure AF1 can get wherever it needs to probably within a couple of hours, but that's just a guess-timate.

[Loose Cannon]

wow Rivera's kid looks exactly like him. I know you are like "duh, that's his kid," but you know what I mean.

[Nervous Ferret]

MARIANO

[DAMN iNATOR]

2 outs...come on AL, hold on...:-\

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well, we held on and at least the AL World Series rep(resentative). gets Home Field advantage...all that matters.

[Nervous Ferret]

Crawford was actually MVP DAMN iNATOR :o

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well, at least K-Rod didn't blow it and Howard did. Kinda makes me feel better. That whole 9th after Howard K'd was disturbing tho. NL dugout looked tense while the AL dugout was joking around. It's like everyone knew it was over with Mo coming in.</font>

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah...I see that now. Granderson got screwed. Royally. And he was the one who basically sealed the deal in the 8th for the A.L. too, those ungrateful bastards...:nono:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You know, for this supposedly being HIS All Star Game, Albert Pujols had a pretty shitty couple of days.

[SammyG]

Wtf is up with the fucking AL winning all the time.

[ClockShot]

American League is the big boys league. You haven't figured that out yet since '96?

[ClockShot]

And Pedro Martinez signs with the Phillies.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The last 4 AS games have been really close, I don't think the AL being the superior league has had much of a factor in the outcome of those games. Obv the AL shits on NL in interleague every year...but in terms of the ASG itself the NL usually seems to lose solely due to one or two guys, at least the last couple of years.

2006: Trevor Hoffman blowing the 9th inning save.

2007: La Russa leaving Pujols on the bench and allowing Aaron Rowand to bat as the potential go-ahead run with the bases loaded instead.

2008: This game was just a classic. Hard to imagine that if the NL had gotten through that last inning, we would have been seeing positions players pitch on both sides.

2009: Heath Bell for allowing the triple...then Ryan Howard striking out (big surprise)</font>

[Skippord]

damn that Carl Crawford for robbing Bradley Hawpe

[Jeritron]

<font color=goldenrod>The last 4 AS games have been really close, I don't think the AL being the superior league has had much of a factor in the outcome of those games. Obv the AL shits on NL in interleague every year...but in terms of the ASG itself the NL usually seems to lose solely due to one or two guys, at least the last couple of years.

2006: Trevor Hoffman blowing the 9th inning save.

2007: La Russa leaving Pujols on the bench and allowing Aaron Rowand to bat as the potential go-ahead run with the bases loaded instead.

2008: This game was just a classic. Hard to imagine that if the NL had gotten through that last inning, we would have been seeing positions players pitch on both sides.

2009: Heath Bell for allowing the triple...then Ryan Howard striking out (big surprise)</font>

That's baseball. You can find instances similar to that in any game, and on the other side as well.

I think if the NL and AL were to play a best out of 5, the outcome would still be the same.

[RatedGSuperstar]

The outcome may be similar in a best of 5, but that's not because the AL is better -- it's because a best of 5 series is a really way of seeing who's a better team. The first round of the playoffs prove that almost every year. ;)

In terms of last night's game, I would've preferred to see the Howard and Fielder pinch hit ABs swapped -- have Howard hit in that early spot that Fielder did, and have Prince come up with the tying run on third. Fielder's been much better this year at bringing in runs in those situations this year and uses more of the field as a hitter than Howard does. Not like it really matters, though...even though the AL's always won the game ever since they started the HFA rule, both leagues have won 3 World Series in that time span. HFA hasn't been important since that Diamondbacks/Yankees series in 2001.

Edit: Forgot that the 2002 Giants/Angels series also went 7, but the point remains. It's been awhile since HFA meant anything.

[The Pope]

what the hell happened to Lincecum?

[YOUR Hero]

what about him?

[SammyG]

lol yeah what

[Jeritron]

batters were swinging at the first pitch. That's when he's most vulnerable

[Rain Man]

LETS GO PHILLIES

[ClockShot]

Cubs grab B.J Ryan and sign him to a 1-year deal.

[DAMN iNATOR]

My boys in Detroit need to play their asses off and not drop any games to the shit teams in our division (AL Central) if we're to go to the postseason this year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What league are the Tigers in

[RP]

Cubs grab B.J Ryan and sign him to a 1-year deal.

intresting move. I wonder what Ryan has left.

Nice that the Cubs get a pickmeup series against the Nationals. Should sweep and be headed in the right direction.

[Skippord]

the rockies scored 10 runs at PETCO

pretty sure that's never happened ever before

[ClockShot]

Red Sox DFA Julio Lugo.

Anybody need a decent SS?

[Triple Naitch]

Not gonna find it there...

[Big Fat Mike]

What the fuck is with Phil Hughes against the Tigers? He struck out all 6 guys he faced tonight and even hit 97 on the gun. I dont think he's EVER hit 97 before. Chamberlain for setup and Hughes for closer in 2 years. Or the other way around.

[Boomer]

What will the Mets do now, bat Frenchy cleanup? Can't really afford any more people on the DL at this point.

[Dragon]

What the fuck is with Phil Hughes against the Tigers? He struck out all 6 guys he faced tonight and even hit 97 on the gun. I dont think he's EVER hit 97 before. Chamberlain for setup and Hughes for closer in 2 years. Or the other way around.

Nah, he's just been a monster in the bullpen. Consistently 95-96 on the gun.

Although I'd still rather have him as the 5th starter right now.

[Hanso Amore]

Honestly, joba should have never left the pen

[Dragon]

I dunno, I'm still on the Joba+Hughes in the rotation side of things.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>8.5 games out now :-\ Hate to say it but they basically need to be sellers now...not that they really have anything to sell. They just can't make a trade now though. It would be irresponsible to trade any prospects at this point, just like 2004.

Castillo and Perez' contracts won't be touched by any teams with a 10 foot pole. Sheffield will probably gain interest from someone since the Tigers are paying his entire salary. Delgado probably WOULD have been a prime trade candidate but nobody is gonna give up anything notable for him since he hasn't played since May and isn't due back until August.

I would take a long, hard look at dealing one of the core guys this offseason if the deal is right. I remember earlier in the year a Red Sox beat writer proposed a trade for Reyes that saw the Mets getting an absolute haul (Buccholz, Ellsbury, Lowrie, and someone else) which honestly, as much as I love Reyes, that would be a hard deal to pass up. But now there's no way Boston would give all of that up after Reyes is missing half the season with a hamstring injury.

And despite all of this, Omar and Jerry will both keep their jobs because they will blame the injuries. Omar has given the team nothing in the minor leagues to work with to compensate for the injuries (not that they could have stayed afloat with ALL of the injuries, but still...there have been no decent additions to the roster to compensate).
I really liked Jerry when he first started but his decisions lately have been pretty mind boggling. If they field a healthy team in 2010 and fail to make the post-season, they will both be out. I'd love to just see them get some young guys, bring back Bobby V., and let him work with it and build it back...but I don't think that's gonna happen.

What a lost season.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh yeah and by far the biggest change they need this offseason - Firing their entire medical staff. They have been a huge joke this year. Players have been injured and taken cortisone shots and played through it only to need to go on the DL (Putz). Jose Reyes was dragged around for two weeks, giving the team a 24 man roster before needing to get surgery anyway. Fernando Martinez was said to only have to miss one game, then ended up getting surgery. Carlos Beltran played through pain under the advice of team doctors and now has the slowest healing bone bruise of all time. This could only happen to the Mets.</font>

[Skippord]

Seth Smith is the greatest hitter in the history of Major League Baseball


...after the 7th inning

[ClockShot]

Seth Smith is the greatest hitter in the history of Major League Baseball


...after the 7th inning

Last time I checked it was Melky Cabrera.

[SammyG]

Dodgers losing 2 in a row is pretty unusual. Hopefully not three, after tonight

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Time for Johan to start his annual 2nd half domination.</font> :cool:

[Jeritron]

Top Local Market Ratings

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Found this really interesting

[Jeritron]

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Lol at 3.5 being a 94% increase in Tampa Bay

[Jeritron]

I'm getting Extra Innings as a free trial right now. It's pretty grand

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Fernando Nieve stretchered off.

God hates the Mets.</font>

[Innovator]

And you thought Wagner was taking his sweet time now, he'll go it more

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Actually, when Wagner first got hurt last September, he was expected to miss 12 months...meaning if he was gonna pitch it'd be in September 09 and if the Mets weren't this banged up and were right in the hunt, they probably wouldn't have played him.

But then in spring he made progress and he's hoping to be back mid-August. Not sure how much they'll use him, but he wants to pitch in 2010 since he didn't want his career to end this way...so he at least has some incentive. I'm sure a team will take a flyer on the guy next year.

But yeah...the Mets' DL has more talent on it right now than most teams have on their entire active rosters.</font> :o

[ClockShot]

Sweet. 1 game out. Thank you, Dr. Halladay.

[Emperor Smeat]

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Lol at 3.5 being a 94% increase in Tampa Bay

Yeah what makes that even worse is they only show 78 games per season out of 162, so it must have been much less in recent years before last year's A.L. pennant they won.

[Droford]

The Os got Cla Meredith from the Padres for Oscar Salazar, should help out the bullpen a decent amount and Salazar was doing nothing but rotting on the bench as an occasional PH.

[The Pope]

any Brewer fans? They just got the laziest defensive and laziest baserunning .300 hitting 2nd basemen Felipe Lopez from my sucky ass Diamondbacks... I'm happy he's gone

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Sweet. 1 game out. Thank you, Dr. Halladay.


I know! With every passing game I love Halladay more and more. I don't know who's gonna get the privledge to get this guy from Toronto but whoever it is will be a pretty lucky SOB.

[ClockShot]

Wow. The Mets rejected a trade that could have gotten them Roy Halladay. All they had to do was give up Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada.

Hey Vito, I know your boys are hurting (no pun intended) right now, but would you go for it?

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Wow. The Mets rejected a trade that could have gotten them Roy Halladay. All they had to do was give up Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada.

Hey Vito, I know your boys are hurting (no pun intended) right now, but would you go for it?

Are you serious? :lol: That's all it took and they rejected it? It's kinda hilarious that Halladay could have been gotten for that . When we would have had to pay Joba/Hughes +++.

[Innovator]

Teacher said that when a Met goes on the DL an angel gets its wings

[Evil Vito]

Wow. The Mets rejected a trade that could have gotten them Roy Halladay. All they had to do was give up Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada.

Hey Vito, I know your boys are hurting (no pun intended) right now, but would you go for it?

<font color=goldenrod>Honestly, I wouldn't. The Mets have barely any prospects to speak of as it is...they really can't afford to gut the system any more. If they were healthy and right in the hunt, I would make the deal with eyes on making the playoffs/WS this year and in 2010...but right now I can't in good conscience do it.</font>

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Hmmmm.... I just heard that this was a fake rumor. Omar Minanya was on Wfan saying this offer was never made.

[Loose Cannon]

TIED!

[Hanso Amore]

Everytime I write off Matsui is has a game winning home run and earns back his spot...mother fucker. He annoys me so much, but the dude wins games.

[Innovator]

TIED!
FIRST!

[Hanso Amore]

WHOO

[ClockShot]

The Brothers LaRoche are no longer together in Pittsburgh.

Red Sox aquire Adam LaRoche from the Pirates for Double-A shortstop Argenis Diaz and Class A right-hander Hunter Strickland, an 18th-round draft pick two years ago.

So I guees we can all say that the Pittsburgh Pirates is MLB's AAAA farm team. Since everybody seems to loot from them.

[ClockShot]

THROW THE BUM OUT!

[Skippord]

Todd Helton hit his 500th double and the winning home run today :cool:

[ClockShot]

Red Sox managed to trade Julio Lugo to the Cardinals for Chris Duncan.

Jesus. We take over 1st place in the AL East and in less than 24 hours they gotta go grab reinforcements and mount a counterattack.

I wonder if Theo is going a bit lulu up in Boston?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Or he was DFA and they where going to lose him for nothing anyway

The big bad Yankees are in back the picture though, watch out!

[Skippord]

how the hell do you trade Chris Duncan for Julio Lugo

seems like a stupid trade

[Gertner]

Blue Jays have 4 hits tonight through 5 innnings. All for home runs.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mets drop 2 out of the 3 to the Nationals...

10 games out of the division now, and 6.5 out of the Wild Card going into the night, probably going to lose ground to some teams there too.

They are just gonna stand pat at the trade deadline, hope the injured guys can come back and rape, and spur them to a late surge like the Rockies in 2007. I'm not optimistic though.

If nothing comes of this season, it's gonna be time to just rebuild for 2010. It's become pretty clear that this core's chance to win it all was 2006.</font>

[Hardkore Kidd J]

It was kinda amazing Chris Duncan went to the Red Sox for Julio Logo. Ever since Julio got DFA'D I was almost 100 percent positive he'd end up a Met.

[SammyG]

Manny Ramirez.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It was kinda amazing Chris Duncan went to the Red Sox for Julio Logo. Ever since Julio got DFA'D I was almost 100 percent positive he'd end up a Met.

I'm sure if the Mets offered anything he could have. Red Sox where paying his full salary with or without a trade, so they basically just got a body for him. Duncan isn't even gonna be on the major league roster unless a few guys down with injuries.

lol @ Manny though, he couldn't play because of his hand then comes in and hits a grand slam on the first pitch

[Triple Naitch]

Mark Buerhle throws a perfect game.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I'm sure if the Mets offered anything he could have. Red Sox where paying his full salary with or without a trade, so they basically just got a body for him. Duncan isn't even gonna be on the major league roster unless a few guys down with injuries.

lol @ Manny though, he couldn't play because of his hand then comes in and hits a grand slam on the first pitch

That sounds like Manny being Manny. Just like in Boston when he had that supposed leg (or was it hamstring) injury and all the X-rays came back negative.

[Hanso Amore]

Wow, Manny had a Leg?

[SammyG]

You can be injured and have a negative X-ray... X-rays show fractures?

[Hanso Amore]

You can be injured and have a negative X-ray... X-rays show fractures?

LOL, exactly.

[ClockShot]

Congrats to Buerhle. The man could retire in style if he wanted to now. Got the ring, no-hitter, and a perfect game. Probably eyeing 300 now.

[Hanso Amore]

Congrats to Buerhle. The man could retire in style if he wanted to now. Got the ring, no-hitter, and a perfect game. Probably eyeing 300 now.

He is a LONG way from 300...he needs 200 first...and he isnt exactly young...He would have to have career yearsfor 10 years to hit 300

[Hanso Amore]

But solid career none the less.

[SammyG]

Definitely.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno he's only 30 and he's been real durable. And for whatever reason, he's almost always involved in the decision, win or loss. I'm almost positive he won't reach 300, but if I had to pick the guy who had the best shot, it honestly might be Buerhle.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't see Oswalt pitching into his 40s. Halladay and Santana didn't become full time starters until they were 25 so Buerhle has a 3 year head start on them. Sabathia's body will eventually quit on him. Zito could conceivably pitch until he's 50 so I guess he's got a decent shot, but I seriously doubt he'll come close.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

There is no doubt that Buerhle is an awesome pitcher. Congrats to him. I saw that catch Wise Did . And holy shit! Wise basically single handedly helped Buerhle keep it a perfect game. Without that catch it's a 5-1 game. All though I could have done without that announcer having an orgasm and screaming "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes".

But all in all it was an awesome game played by Buerhle and to a much lesser extent Wise.

[ClockShot]

Keep in mind fellas that Jamie Moyer is 46 years young and got 255 wins under his belt, but the odds are VERY long that he'll get to 300 with 45 to go. I think Randy Johnson ain't that far behind in age, but of course he just joined the 300 club.

[YOUR Hero]

Just read that Buerle's perfect game is being protested. Anyone know why :?:

[Jeritron]

You can be injured and have a negative X-ray... X-rays show fractures?

I know you're a little new to this Manny game, and you're really really excited, but come on. I don't blame you, he's an exciting player, but his track record for shit like this is a mile long.
He's a tremendously strange character. He has great moments, and he has ugly ones. He's full of bullshit. He loves getting a day off when he can. I can't really condemn him for it, because I'm no different.
Still, he's full of shit and the sooner you know this the better.

Here in Boston he took time off for the reason of his grandmother dying like 5 times. He was constantly milking injuries or requesting time off. He's an amazing hitter though, so you learn to live with it.

[Jeritron]

I don't see Oswalt pitching into his 40s. Halladay and Santana didn't become full time starters until they were 25 so Buerhle has a 3 year head start on them. Sabathia's body will eventually quit on him. Zito could conceivably pitch until he's 50 so I guess he's got a decent shot, but I seriously doubt he'll come close.

I don't know, I'd put Halladay above Buerhle if I were a betting man. It depends where he ends up in the near future, and how long he holds up. He can stand to win a lot more games in the next 8 or so years.

Either way, I wouldn't peg either one of them to win 300 games, or anyone active for a very long time. Nobody in mid-career is on pace to do so, and with the young guys it's too early to tell.
There's also the possibility that Randy Johnson may be the last 300 game winner for a long long time, or possibly ever.

The nature of the game changes, and so does pitching. Certain milestones become increasingly more common, or are phased out to become unatainable.
I've heard legitimate arguments that the age of the 300 game winner is gone.

Randy Johnson would have reached 300 much sooner if he wasn't on shitty teams that constantly failed to give him run support. That's why I think that's such a factor here. If Halladay lands on a respectable ballclub that wins 100 games perenially, he can pick up a few more wins here and there.
Run support hasn't been a huge issue for him in Toronto, but I'm sure it's cost him some tough no decisions here and there.

I'm of the mind that the next 300 game winner is probably just starting their career, or hasn't even been born yet.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

See I have longevity concerns about Halladay. Buerhle has been a workhorse. He's got 8 straight seasons of 200+ innings. I can see him pitching for another 12-13 seasons. I can't say the same about Doc Halladay.

[Jeritron]

Halladay is a workhorse

[Supreme Olajuwon]

who gets injured

[Jeritron]

define workhorse

[Supreme Olajuwon]

your mother

[Supreme Olajuwon]

but seriously, I'd say 200 innings every year without breaking down

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Greg Maddux: 14 straight 200+ IP seasons. Workhorse.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I suppose it could also be a guy who doesn't strike out many hitters and therefore doesn't get his pitch count up.

[YOUR Hero]

Halladay's injuries had always been bad luck stuff. Like line drives off the leg. Halladay will not break down, trust me on this one.

[Hanso Amore]

I agree with Supreme....Workhorse = Innings eater...Doesnt mean he is good or bad.

Livan hernandez....Work Horse...

Dude aint that great anymore, but he is going to eat 200 innings and keep your pen fresh.

[Triple Naitch]

Bartolo Colon

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Matt Holliday to the Cardinals for Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, and Clayton Mortensen.</font>

[ClockShot]

One less problem for us this weekend. :y:

[ClockShot]

Great. Chien-Ming Wang gets to go and visit *DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN* Dr. James Andrews about his shoulder.

Bummer.

[Hanso Amore]

Athletes are fucked when Andrews retires.

[Hanso Amore]

Andrews must do a surgery on an athlete a day.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I just heard that in 24 hours Halladay might be traded to the Phillies. They offered Toronto a good deal. Halladay is pitching tonight so we'll see if Halladay pitches against Tampa. If he doesn't that mean he got traded.

[SammyG]

gay. Halladay in LA would be so awesome

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Yeah I think Charlie Manuel may have changed his mind about Drabek being untouchable.I'm guessing if that happens Drabek and or Happ is gonna be a big part of the deal.

[OssMan]

Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday on the same team

[Skippord]

pretty excited for Matt Holliday

love that guy so much

[DaveWadding]

I agree with Supreme....Workhorse = Innings eater...Doesnt mean he is good or bad.

Livan hernandez....Work Horse...

Dude aint that great anymore, but he is going to eat 200 innings and keep your pen fresh.

Innings Eater means he sucks. Example: Dugh Davis = Innings Eater, Greg Maddux = Work Horse

BIG Difference

[DaveWadding]

also, sup Supreme? :naughty:

[SammyG]

sup, rest of the NL? and AL?

[DaveWadding]

Been paying real attention to the Central this weekend cause of my trip next week. I thought the Astros would be out of it by now. But the games I'm going to actually have meaning within the divisional race. Monday I'm scheduled to see Wandy vs. Zambo. SO JUICED.

[DaveWadding]

sup, rest of the NL? and AL?

Do they even play baseball in fucking Greece?

[SammyG]

uh. no? does that change the fact that my Dodgers are kicking ass?

[DaveWadding]

I'm just say

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Johan Santana surrenders a first-pitch, 2-run dinger to Mike Hampton.

Just one of those years, I guess...they have at least one big LOLMets moment every night.</font>

[Innovator]

Mariano gets up to warm up for a save, Posada hits a solo HR. 5-1 Yankees, Mo laughs and sits down

[Innovator]

8 IN A ROW

Jobamania is eating his vitamins and saying his prayers

[Hardkore Kidd J]

The Yankees are unstoppable right now. Hopefully we keep this going with Tampa and Boston comin up we better.

[Boomer]

<font color=goldenrod>Johan Santana surrenders a first-pitch, 2-run dinger to Mike Hampton.

Just one of those years, I guess...they have at least one big LOLMets moment every night.</font>

Well Hampton is second on the active list of home runs by pitchers, so it isn't all that surprising.

[Evil Vito]

Well Hampton is second on the active list of home runs by pitchers, so it isn't all that surprising.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah but I'm pretty sure his time in Colorado kinda beefed up those numbers.

He's still a decent hitter and all...but damn. It just had to be against the ace of the staff to make it even more frustrating. Second straight year Johan's given up a first-pitch dinger to a pitcher (last year he gave up a grand slam against Felix Hernandez, who had his eyes closed as he swung).</font>

[Skippord]

Hitting home runs was literally all Mike Hampton was good for when he was here

[McLegend]

Recent word from ESPN is that the Phillies aren't willing to give up both Drabek and Happ.

I don't like that.

[YOUR Hero]

Have fun with Moyer in the playoffs, and the following year

[McLegend]

I will not.

[ClockShot]

Bummer. Someone had to flinch in that pitchers duel today. Too bad it was Pettitte.

Let's hope the O's keep Boston in check tonight.

[YOUR Hero]

Try being a Jays fan :mad:

:'(

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Bummer. Someone had to flinch in that pitchers duel today. Too bad it was Pettitte.

Let's hope the O's keep Boston in check tonight.


Yeah, we all knew that stretch wouldn't last forever. 8 game streak is a lot and it put us in first place. I ain't gonna complain about that. But, yeah hopefully Baltimore can win this one.

[Jeritron]

Papi

[Dragon]

Apparently it would take Hughes, Montero and Jackson or Joba, Hughes + two others for the Yankees to get Halladay. Kinda figured it would be a crazy asking price.

Seems like the Angels and Phillies are the two big teams in on him.

[ClockShot]

Apparently it would take Hughes, Montero and Jackson or Joba, Hughes + two others for the Yankees to get Halladay. Kinda figured it would be a crazy asking price.

Seems like the Angels and Phillies are the two big teams in on him.

Don't want or need Halladay. And the Blue Jays GM doesn't want to trade him within the division.

Now Chad Qualls is one thing. We can trade a couple bottom feeders and grab him no problem. However, we also sent scouts up to Toronto to take a looksee at Scott Downs.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Apparently it would take Hughes, Montero and Jackson or Joba, Hughes + two others for the Yankees to get Halladay. Kinda figured it would be a crazy asking price.

Seems like the Angels and Phillies are the two big teams in on him.

Well, you can cancel the Phillies out. If the Angels sign Halladay I would seriously be panicked. If the Yankees make the wild card. We'd have to face the Angels in the first round AWAY.

The Angels are a scary enough team without Halladay.

[Dragon]

Don't want or need Halladay. And the Blue Jays GM doesn't want to trade him within the division.

Now Chad Qualls is one thing. We can trade a couple bottom feeders and grab him no problem. However, we also sent scouts up to Toronto to take a looksee at Scott Downs.

Totally agree about not wanting Halladay. Not worth it to tear the farm apart.

The one thing I want is to get a set-up man and put Hughes back into the rotation. Sooner or later they will need to put someone in the rotation with Joba's innings limit.

If the Yanks could get a good set-up man and Bruney gets back on track it would make a ton of sense to get Hughes some innings starting so he can have a higher innings count for next year.

[DaveWadding]

Virgil Vasquez vs. Max Scherzer - Sunday @ Chase
Wandy Rodriguez vs. Carlos Zambrano - Monday @ Wrigley
Mike Hampton vs. Randy Wells - Wednesday @ Wrigley

going to be fucking insane.

[SammyG]

oh, what, 27 games over .500 now?

[ClockShot]

Decent outing by Ssssssssssssssergio today, though Coke got the win. Given time, he should shape right up.

Thanks, O's.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Decent outing by Ssssssssssssssergio today, though Coke got the win. Given time, he should shape right up.

Thanks, O's.

No, I think the person we should be thanking is John Smoltz.

[Boomer]

As much as I hate to see it, the Braves look to have made the right decision with Smoltz and Glavine. I'm sure Smoltz will have some better outings, but not being able to work more than five innings isn't all that helpful.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

As much as I hate to see it, the Braves look to have made the right decision with Smoltz and Glavine. I'm sure Smoltz will have some better outings, but not being able to work more than five innings isn't all that helpful.

I think Smoltz will have some better outings too............... just not in Boston. You see the Red Sox aren't for everybody. Take most of Boston's shortstop's for example

Lugo, Cora, Renteria, . They are all pretty good shortstop's. But, they weren't as good on the Red Sox. I think Smotz is a good pitcher, I just don't expect him to do better then this on the Red Sox.

For some pitchers/ players playing on the Red Sox/ Yankees may be a little bit too much pressure for the player/pitcher.

I think Smoltz will be DFA'D and and another team will pick him up and I think he will be good then.

[Jeritron]

I don't think Smoltz is a case of a guy who feels pressured by the big time. He's John Smoltz. He's old and coming off of surgery. The problem is either that he's slowly getting back into his groove, or he's done. Probably the latter.

The Lugo, Renteria thing is true, but you pretty much lifted it from what I was talking about in the Hanley/Beckett thread and applied it here, and I think it really doesn't apply.

[Triple Naitch]

Smoltz is too good for the Sox to DFA. They will move him to the bullpen if anything.

[DaveWadding]

I would like to send flowers to the Reds, Phillies and Mets right now. Cubs in 1st :love:

[SammyG]

lol Wadding, big deal. It's not like they have the best record in baseball, or anything..

[DaveWadding]

I know, it's not like they've had the benefit of beating the shit out of the worst division in baseball or anything...

[Hanso Amore]

Amen. The Central is the best division in the NL.

The Dodgers are playing great, but they have alot to prove this post season

[SammyG]

Yeah cuz we haven't been beating up on other divisions either.

[DaveWadding]

Dodgers vs:

East: 13-8
Central: 10-7
West: 30-12

They are good. but they look way better because of their division. WAY better.

[DaveBrawl]

Only 1 team in the central (arguably the best division in baseball) has a winning record against the West (Houston), so it's far from a pushover division. Actually the Rockies, who lead the wildcard standings, have a losing record against the rest of the west, and the Giants, 2nd in wildcard standings, are 19-19 against the rest of the west.

[Jeritron]

Smoltz is too good for the Sox to DFA. They will move him to the bullpen if anything.

Yes. Smoltz is a team guy, and a class act and he already agreed to lend his services however they're needed back in spring training. That includes middle relief.
He's been great over a few innings. The problem is right now he can't go deep into the game, but the first one or two times through the lineup he's doing fantastic.
I think they'll give him one more start, at least. They're being patient with him, because they want him to be ready for the postseason.

I think worst case scenario, though, and he'll be middle relief or setup. That's a pretty good worst case scenario.

[The Pope]

Anyone want Chad Qualls, Doug Davis,or Chad Tracy?

[SammyG]

no

[The Pope]

why?

[SammyG]

cuz they are gay

[ClockShot]

Anyone want Chad Qualls, Doug Davis,or Chad Tracy?

We'll take Qualls, thanks.

[The Pope]

who would you give up for qualls he's got value his contract extends for next year as well.

[The Pope]

answer the q damn it

[ClockShot]

Two lackeys from our farm system and some cash. No way are you are you getting your hands on AJax or Monstero.

[Jeritron]

Yeah cuz we haven't been beating up on other divisions either.

No matter how much the Dodgers beat up on the NL, they will have to beat the AL champions to win a world series.

Also, I think the Phillies could end up being a better playoff team as it is.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tony Bernazard has been fired. YES!</font>

[Heros Welcome]

Vito did you listen to the press conference? It was such a joke and makes the Mets an even BIGGER joke of an organization.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I really hope this is the end of Omar Minaya too. Calling out Adam Rubin is ridiculous.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

answer the q damn it

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

[ClockShot]

I really hope this is the end of Omar Minaya too. Calling out Adam Rubin is ridiculous.

:rofl:

I was listening to Joe & Evan for a bit this afternoon, filling in for Francesa I assume. But man, those guys went ape. I was laughing the entire time.

[Terra Ryzin]

:rofl:

I was listening to Joe & Evan for a bit this afternoon, filling in for Francesa I assume. But man, those guys went ape. I was laughing the entire time.

Man i wish i was able to listen to them rant on this...Joe and Evan are the best on the FAN

and Omar days are numbered..by the end of the week he will be gone. what a fucking moron. if you heard the press conference Fred Wilpon did not have Omars back at all and made sure he took allll the heat for this..as he should

[Innovator]

Joe and Evan were flipping out. Fans were calling in saying how the Wilpons are cowards for not firing Omar.

Joe and Evan saying how it sucks when a team is bad but at least there is hope. When ownership and management are bad, no hope in sight

[YOUR Hero]

Smoltz can play anywhere, pressure on him? No. He's old and coming off injuries. (already stated, just agreeing)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>They can still potentially take a run at the wild card, but anyway:

-Fire Omar

-Keep Jerry unless you can get Bobby Valentine

-Keep Johan Santana, David Wright, Jose Reyes, Francisco Rodriguez, and young players (Francoeur, Parnell, prospects, etc.)

-Trade anyone else for prospects...even Carlos Beltran. Obviously, don't give him away, but he's 32, 2 years left on his deal, lots of money, injury prone...if a team is still willing to give a couple really solid prospects for him, do it.

-Sprinkle in SOME veterans. A problem the Mets have had lately is relying way too much on veterans. Need to have role players where it makes sense, not just for the sake of having guys with experience there.

Basically, gotta get way younger and start building. The '69 and '86 teams were built on youth blossoming from the farm system. Gotta get to that level.</font>

[ClockShot]

I highly doubt Bobby Valentine is gonna leave Japan with all love and respect he got going there, Vito.

[Evil Vito]

I highly doubt Bobby Valentine is gonna leave Japan with all love and respect he got going there, Vito.

<font color=goldenrod>That's what I always had thought too...but apparently his team isn't bringing him back.</font>

[Triple Naitch]

Valentine says he won't return to team
<hr size="1" width="100%" noshade="noshade"> Associated Press

CHIBA, Japan -- Bobby Valentine says he won't be back with the Chiba Lotte Marines next season even as the Japanese team's fans lobby management to keep him. Lotte management decided before this season that it could not afford Valentine and would not renew his contract. That brought protests from Lotte fans, who staged nightly vigils at Chiba Marine Stadium and submitted a petition to Lotte's front office with more than 100,000 signatures. The team has struggled this year and is 15 games behind the Pacific League-leading Nippon Ham Fighters. In a statement on his Web site, Valentine says leaving the team "is best for the Chiba Lotte Marines." The 59-year-old Valentine led the team to the Japan Series championship in 2005 and has been a fan favorite ever since.

[YOUR Hero]

Gibons is out there. :lol:

[ClockShot]

Damon just hit #200.

And Nick Swisher rules.

[Innovator]

YANKEES WIN, THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN

[ClockShot]

Giants aquire Ryan Garko from the Indians for minor leaguer Scott Barnes and a player to be named later.

[Boomer]

The Phillies have to come down some time. Their pitching staff just isn't good enough to keep it going for too much longer, and their bats have pretty much reached their peak performance.

[McLegend]

JUST GIVE THEM KYLE DRABEK.

GOD DAMNIT

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mets.com Beat Reporter Marty Noble on expected returns from injuries:

-Before August 10: Gary Sheffield, Jose Reyes, Billy Wagner
-Late August: Carlos Delgado
-September: Fernando Nieve, J.J. Putz
-Not Sure/Might Miss Season: John Maine, Carlos Beltran

Hope he's right with some of those forecasts, especially Reyes. Although I must say Angel Pagan is doing a great job in the leadoff spot.

Gonna be interesting. Assuming other teams aren't going to completely tank out of the race, the Mets need to go somewhere around 45-20 to be in the playoffs. So every game from here on out will sorta feel like a playoff game. Great Grand Slam last night.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

Yanks killing it right now.

[Hanso Amore]

Swisher is the next Paul O'Neil. Not Stats wise, but as a fan favorite. If he sticks around he is going to be loved forever.

[McLegend]

According to Yahoo sports the Red Sox offered the Blue Jays Clay Bucholtz, and two other top notch prospects.

If he goes to the Red Sox Major league Baseball is fixed.

[Jeritron]

Why, because they have a superior farm system to and can offer teams prospects while still not giving away all their assets?

Really, it's not like they're throwing money around. Sure, they have the means to eat a salary here and there, or chase a big free agent, but the success comes from making smart moves that start at the bottom. They've built an incredibly productive farm system, and their scouting is second to none.

A team like the Yankees doesn't really get much out of their farm system, and raids it often for trades that don't work out in the long run. No offense to the Yanks fans.

Our farm system has given us players like Youkilis, Pedroia, Papelbon, and Elsbury in the past few years.
At the same time, there are a ton of valuable prospects in development right now, and they've also come up with guys like Bucholz, Bard, and Anderson who are major trade bait.
Let's also not forget Hanley Ramirez, who's value has been incredible both for the Marlins, and us (Josh Beckett).

Moral of the story is, if it happens it's because the Red Sox farm system is outrageously well kept and scouted. Don't blame baseball because other teams make stupid moves all the time.

Look at a team like the Pirates. They've pumped out tons of great players in the past 5 years and they can't put together a team that finishes over .500. Why is that? Because they manage their assets foolishly and don't get anything of value in return. They seem content with losing.

Every team in major league baseball could reach a position of prominence if they manage themselves semi-intelligently. Look at Tampa Bay.

[Skippord]

I think the Rockies hate Ubaldo Jimenez or something

[Hanso Amore]

Well, the whole lack of structured bonuses makes the Sox one of the few teams able to afford most of these players.

But that counts for both NY teams, LA, Detriot, philly etc

[Jeritron]

Teams can build themselves into a respectable franchise though. I think a lot of teams have poor management who doesn't really care about putting together a winning team. A winning team can excite a market, and continue to grow.
As much as I hate the Rays, they've turned it around and they're actually building for the future. I commend them for not having a fire sale.

I can't get over how many good players Pittsburgh has thrown away without getting anything in return. I understand that certain markets have a handicap when it comes to free agency, but there's really no excuse for making foolish trades and not being able to build something when that much talent is coming through the clubhouse.

Instant success is too much to expect, but slow building can happen. If Toronto gets value out of Halladay they've made a wise move. At the end of the season a trade won't get them as much value, nor would a trade at next years deadline (since he'll only have a few months left on his contract.)
They need to get some prospects now that they can build a team around. In 5 years they could be a threat if they keep building.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow. Apparently the OF prospect in question for the Red Sox (Ryan Westmoreland), has a no-trade clause in his contract and he would ONLY leave school to sign with the Red Sox. :o Had no idea even fucking prospects could get no-trade clauses.</font>

[Triple Naitch]

I'd rather focus my prospects on trying to get Adrian Gonzalez if I were the Sox.

[ClockShot]

More bells and whistles are going off in Theo Epstein's office.

Red Sox trade Mark Kotsay and cash to the White Sox for Brian Anderson.

[Innovator]

Theo going nuts

[Hardkore Kidd J]

According to Yahoo sports the Red Sox offered the Blue Jays Clay Bucholtz, and two other top notch prospects.

If he goes to the Red Sox Major league Baseball is fixed.

I really don't think it's enough to spark Toronto. I can't see them giving Halladay up without Bard too.

Ya gotta think if Toronto wants us to give up Joba/ Hughes, Montero, Jackson.

I can see them saying no and saying "Add Bard and we've got a deal."

[Innovator]

Wow, not many nights you see an E5 and an E6 from the Yankees

[ClockShot]

All the more reason why this game is lost.

But holy shit, Buehrle is kicking ass again. But his boys gotta tack on a few runs.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Buehrle with the new consecutive perfect streak. Wow.</font>

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Perfect through 7 but Buerhle just gave up a hit. To bad that would have been amazing if he could have done that again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Shutout</font> :eek:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

More bells and whistles are going off in Theo Epstein's office.

Red Sox trade Mark Kotsay and cash to the White Sox for Brian Anderson.
Don't really need Kotsay after picking up LaRoche and they can move Anderson to Pawtucket.

Fucking Papelbon just blew the save though, granted it with some errors but still. He has really been off this year - I think that's why Bard wouldn't be included in any trades this year. If Papelbon continues to lack the dominance needed I think in a year or two Bard could end up being the closer.

[Innovator]

Stima are you officially a Bard-on?

[Skippord]

The Rockies just suck with RiSP right now and it's awful

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stima are you officially a Bard-on?
Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

Kid Rock in the house at Fenway tonight, lol

[RP]

Comon Cubs. Got a chance to put a hold on this division. Please come back and win in the 9th.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

Kid Rock in the house at Fenway tonight, lol
To be fair to Papelbon though, this is the first time he's blown a 3 run lead in the 9th EVER. He has been kinda shaky this year but for the most part he's still getting the job done. I don't want to sound like Boston sports talk caller who is probably calling for Papelbon's head right now. I'm just saying I could maybe see Bard taking over if the Red Sox don't meet Papelbon's contract demands in the future (so far they haven't)

[Jeritron]

Somebody mentioned it to me before the season and I was like "what? no way" but I dunno, I mean Papelbon still made the all star team so I'm not freaking out like a typical Boston fan but still. They still haven't offered Papelbon a long term deal yet, he's starting to struggle a bit and Bard is a future closer at some point - whether it's in Boston or not I don't know. It could happen

Kid Rock in the house at Fenway tonight, lol


I don't think him making the all-star team is of any real relavance. Don't see why it would be since it's voted on by fans, he plays in a huge market, and he's a colorful character.

Anyways, he's been way off. It's been noticable for a while (not just overracting to tonight).
I think he might just be the type of closer that dominates for a while, but hitters begin to figure him out. It really is quite common. The shelf-life for a dominant closer is very short, unless you're a legend who can be lights out for more than a few years.

Been jokingly calling him Crapelbon for a few months now. Even on the nights he gets the save, he usually gives up some hits and/or walks the bases loaded. Then he fights back and gets the outs, or he doesn't. Either way I don't think his saves column tells the whole story. They're definitely catching up to him.


He's still an effective closer compared to most, so I'm not gonna completely throw him under the bus. Just sayin...

[Jeritron]

I also don't want to sound like an EEI talk caller

[Jeritron]

Just gonna throw something out there. I think the future of Papelbon in the ongoing saga of the Red Sox will be pretty interesting either way.

He's the type of guy who I can see really reacting badly to a collapse. Not saying it will happen, but in the event that things started to go south for him, he would probably start spazzing on the fans, media, and team.
Definitely a headcase like Manny, or Jimmy Piersall, but a bit more intense.

If he keeps his position as one of the premiere closers in the game, he will be valuable when his contract comes up. With Bard, and others, his value to the Red Sox might not be what it is to other teams.
Several of his own teamates have even made reference to their belief that Papelbon will go wherever offers him the most money. Period.
Interesting, considering the Yankees could very well be that team, in the market for a new closer when Mariano Rivera hangs it up. He's a beast, but he can't go forever.

So Papelbon goes insane in Boston, or ends up going to the Yankees and fueling the flame of the Sox/Yanks rivalry?
I don't think it's that cut and dry. Other things can happen, but I can really see one of those scenarios happening.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty sure only the starting 9 get voted in by the fans, not pitchers. Pitchers are chosen by the manager I think, usually meaning they are pretty deserving (most of the time) and not influenced by market or anything like that. So that's why I brought it up

[SammyG]

First 3 game losing streak of the year... lol @ Mark Loretta pitching

[ClockShot]

Chien-Ming Wang is done for the year. And quite possibly, and sadly, his time with the Yankees. :'(

I really hope they give him one more chance. But the denizens of the Empire gave up on him at the beginning of the season.

[Innovator]

Red Sox offer 3 players including Buckholz for Halladay

Fuck, here comes the cold sweat

[Hanso Amore]

Red Sox offer 3 players including Buckholz for Halladay

Fuck, here comes the cold sweat

He better not go to Boston...I will fucking lose it.

I really liked Wang in 2006-2007...But since then have cooled off.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Well. I'm not to afraid. Since Toronto didn't approve of it yet.

Halladay pitches tonight so unless he gets yanked before the game or during the game I am not worried.

Think about this should the Yankees try to trade for him they'd be forced to give up Jackson, Hughes/Joba, etc.

I think this would just be a wake up call for Philly and they'll just say "Fuck it" and give Toronto Drabek etc..

I would be quite pleased if he goes to Philly.

Boston is not going to give up Bard not with Papelbon losing some of his stuff. If Papelbon at some point has to be traded Bard will probably end up being the closer and I don't see Boston trading him.

[ClockShot]

Think about this should the Yankees try to trade for him they'd be forced to give up Jackson, Hughes/Joba, etc.

Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Again. WE DON'T NEED HALLADAY!

Why get him when we just paid $80 mil. for his counterpart? We might as well be called the New York Blue Jays instead of the Yankees.

What we do need is an extra bullpen arm to take some pressure off Ace, Coke, Hughes, and Mo. Bruney still got some rust he gotta shake off, Melancon needs to prove himself, Robertson can be hit or miss and Albaladejo has been on the SWB shuttle more times than we can count this year.

Get me Scott Downs or Chad Qualls before friday, and I'll be a happy camper.

No, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that Boston would need to give up something of that level in order to pick up Halladay. We don't need Halladay I was just trying to point out that Boston's offer wouldn't be enough. But, we don't need Downs or Qualls . Get me a reliable fifth starter first.

With Wang done for the season we need someone like Washburn or something to even out the rotation.

Petitte

Joba/Hughes

CC

Burnett

Mitre

I don't think is good enough. We need someone a bit more reliable then Mitre if we want to go all the way.