NFL 2005 Season Thread

[AlphaBean]

Giants beat em.

Vikings beat the Giants, but the Steelers and Ravens beat the Vikings... Ravens beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh...

Ravens will win the Superbowl.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Amazing how bored I am right now.

Miami 34 Denver 10
Denver 20 San Diego 17
Denver 30 Kansas City 10 (MNF)
Denver 20 Jacksonville 7
Denver 21 Washington 19
Denver 28 New England 20
NY Giants 24 Denver 23
Denver 49 Philadelphia 21
Denver 31 Oakland 17
Denver 27 NY Jets 0
Denver 24 Dallas 21 (Thanksgiving)
Kansas City 31 Denver 27
Denver 12 Baltimore 10
Denver 28 Buffalo 17 (Saturday night)
Denver 22 Oakland 3

Bold are away from home.

So that breaks down as

-8-0 at home, 4-3 away.
-1-0 in dome.
-3-0 primetime (if you count the ones marked as primetime, they were outside the usual Sunday afternoon slot anyway).
-Currently 9-2 vs AFC, 3-1 vs NFC.
-Current strength of schedule is a combined 99-98 not counting divisional twice, 121-121 counting twice.
-Record against teams at .500 or better is 6-3
-At home to SD (down 14-3 at the half), home to NE (down 3-0 at the end of the 1st), away to Buffalo (down 7-0 at the end of the 1st). Those 3 games are when they've been behind and won. Otherwise they've lost, or never trailed.

Probably more but that means way more digging than I'm prepared to do.

[OssMan]

How many offensive yards did the Vikings have against the Giants

[Gonzo]

137 I think.

[RP]

LIGHTS OUT!

Merriman will be my third defensive player jersey next month.

Not my favorite tho. We all know Bobby Sanders is the best.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God damn Denver's offense is getting mauled.

[RP]

I cant wait for that Bengals / Colts second round matchup.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I cant wait for that Bengals / Colts second round matchup.

Word. :cool:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

At this point I'd rather the Bengals play the Colts than the Broncos in the 2nd round. It should be another good one.

[CNM]

The Broncos D is on fire today. Looked like Brees' shoulder got messed up pretty bad though. :-\

[RP]

I think Van Pelt is trying to injure himself.

[CNM]

Bradlee Van Stiffler (as us Bronco fans call him) is the man

[RP]

Van Pelts lights will be out soon.

[RP]

hah just as i typed that it happend.

[D Mac]

The Kansas City Chiefs will defeat the Cincinati Bengals at Arrowhead Stadium.

[RP]

The Kansas City Chiefs will defeat the Cincinati Bengals at Arrowhead Stadium.



:n:

[Skippord]

I think Van Pelt is trying to injure himself.

I know I was like stop fucking running dammit

[CNM]

Running is what he does. Didn't you watch him at CSU?

[Skippord]

I know it just looked like he would get hurt and he didnt have many Completions.

[AlphaBean]

How many offensive yards did the Vikings have against the Giants

How many offensive wins did the Vikings have against the Giants this year? :?:

[Joey Slugs]

Vermeil to retire at end of season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2276661)

Over/under on how many times he cried during that team meeting?

[AlphaBean]

Vermeil, Parcells and Ditka are gonna take over the Vikings.

[Skippord]

Vermeil to retire at end of season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2276661)

Over/under on how many times he cried during that team meeting?

7

[D Mac]

Vermeil to retire at end of season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2276661)



FUCK :wavesad:

LETS GO DETROIT LIONS.

[Skippord]

Lets lose Detroit lets lose

[VonErich Lives]

Lovie smith isn't playing Grossman, word is it has to do with a "blood feud" between his Center and Williams...

[D Mac]

You can make fun of Vermiel's crying all you want. But all in all he will definately be in the hall of fame. He loved the game, and all of his players.

[D Mac]

OOO yea, Detroit just tied it. :)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm sure Al Del Greco loved the game and all of his players too but that doens't mean he's going to the Hall of Fame.

[D Mac]

YEAH Detroit 14 Pittburgh 7

[AlphaBean]

Lovie smith isn't playing Grossman, word is it has to do with a "blood feud" between his Center and Williams...

Haha, that feud is awesome. Kreutz keeps calling Pat a fat slob, saying he must have stolen a cheeseburger... basically Pat destroyed Kreutz earlier, utterly and completely -- showing just how overrated the guy is...

Too bad the defense showed just how overrated everyone in MN is :(

[D Mac]

FUCK YEA LARRY

[D Mac]

Crap Steelers tied it. :(

[Joey Slugs]

You can make fun of Vermiel's crying all you want. But all in all he will definately be in the hall of fame. He loved the game, and all of his players.

No doubt about that.

[Joey Slugs]

Lovie smith isn't playing Grossman, word is it has to do with a "blood feud" between his Center and Williams...

How about that fact that we have the #2 seed locked and there is no point in having the starters play. (Grossman did get hurt in Minnesota, so there's that too.)

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So what do they expect a guy who hasn't thrown 40 passes this year to be ready to lead the team into the playoffs?

[Joey Slugs]

So what do they expect a guy who hasn't thrown 40 passes this year to be ready to lead the team into the playoffs?

They have 2 weeks to get ready. It really doesn't matter since Rex knows the offense better than Orton does anyway.

[D Mac]

FUCK YEAH TOUCHDOWN KC

LARRY LARRY

[D Mac]

WHAT :mad:

[D Mac]

HAHA LARRY IS DA MAN

[Supreme Olajuwon]

DIAMOND CUTTER

[D Mac]

LOL

Damn, Steelers took the lead. :(

[D Mac]

I wish the Defense woulda played like this before. We would'nt have too worry about other teams losing. :mad:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well if your other 15 games were against teams who didn't care about winning they probably would have.

[D Mac]

Yeah Yeah excuses excuses :p

[D Mac]

You always play to win. No matter if you're 0-15 or 15-0.

[D Mac]

Do I smell....Blowout?

[D Mac]

:n:

:y:

[RP]

Bengals are throwing this game so they dont have to play the Steelers in the playoffs

[D Mac]

I think if we get it we could give the Colts a run for their money. :shifty:

Don't you say a thing RP. This game's all I got left. :lol:

[D Mac]

SHIT LIONS


Steelers up 2 touchdowns now. :mad:

Oh to have that Dallas game back. :(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Bengals were the last team to beat the Steelers so prolly not.

[RP]

Joey Harrington must of got some Offensive Lineman sex last night cause he's throw 3 tds today.

[D Mac]

Steelers breaking away. :(

[RP]

Sorry Diesle. Cheifs will have time to plan a really special Vermeil retirement party.

[D Mac]

They just said If everything holds up it will be Jacksonville-Cinci and N.E-Steelers in the first round.

unless a miracle happens and Detroit wins, then it would be Chiefs-Pats

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well they're wrong.

[RP]

It would be great if Harrington just dropped back and turned to his side and pinged one off Dre Bly's cranium.

[D Mac]

How are they?

[el fregadero]

Maybe if Jacksonville loses to Tennessee that would happen.

[D Mac]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/playoffrace/bracket

Brackets according to cbs sportsline.

[el fregadero]

They just said If everything holds up it will be Jacksonville-Cinci and N.E-Steelers in the first round.

unless a miracle happens and Detroit wins, then it would be Chiefs-Pats
Now go look at your brackets...

[D Mac]

Now go look at your brackets...

He said losing this game would drop Cinci to the 4th seed. Just going by what the announcer said so I don't know.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

the Patriots are losing that's why they're wrong

[RoXer]

Neil Rackers slept with your mom

[RoXer]

And her slightly more attractive sister

[D Mac]

IC

It's going to be a good playoffs either way. :y:

[D Mac]

What u talkin bout Joey.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Michael Vick is really good :yes:

[D Mac]

OMG they just said Mike Martz will probably get the axe in St. Louis.

If he goes to the Chiefs I will fucking kill myself. :mad:

[RoXer]

I'm talking about Niel Rackers being the man is what I'm talking about

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Don't think there's been a Falcons game this season without at least 1 fight

[D Mac]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/playoffrace/bracket

Brackets according to cbs sportsline.

Colts-Pats 2nd round will probably be THE game of the playoffs.

Cinci-Denver will be a tossup I think.

[D Mac]

Patriots allmost tied but 2 point conv. was no good. so they are officially the 4th seed.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol Flutie had a dropkick extra point

[Crimson]

What the fuck, how'd the Falcons lose by that much,idiots. GO EAGLES

[RoXer]

E-A-G-L-E-S bail me out pleaseeeeee

[D Mac]

Anything to keep the fucking Cowgirls out of the playoffs. :mad:

[Joey Slugs]

lol Flutie had a dropkick extra point

I just saw that. First time in 64 years. :lol:

[OssMan]

lol at redskins

[Gonzo]

That would be hysterical to see the Redskins lose and the Cowboys win.

[Joey Slugs]

fucking Bears.... backups blew the PA record.

[VonErich Lives]

Colts-Pats 2nd round will probably be THE game of the playoffs.

Cinci-Denver will be a tossup I think.

I wouldn't say it's a "given" that Cinci will beat Pittsburg in round 1.

If the Steelers win and the pats win, then NE goes to Denver and Pitt goes to Indy in round #2.

That drop kick was so funny.

Bean, on the Grossman thing, there was talk on one of the pregames that he somehow blames that center for him not making the probowl.

[The Miz]

lol @ Niners

[VonErich Lives]

You can make fun of Vermiel's crying all you want. But all in all he will definately be in the hall of fame. He loved the game, and all of his players.

You're kidding right? About the Hall of Fame part?


Since his "return to coaching" in 1997 he's coached 8yrs.

He made the playoffs twice.

Winning the superbowl once
Losing in the first game once.

I don't see how that added to his resume somehow gets him in the HOF when he didn't make it before (his last year before 1997 was 1982, he was elligible for the HOF and didn't get in).

His Career numbers are
Reg Season - 119-109
Post Season - 6-5 (1 superbowl win, 1 superbowl loss)

Sorry, that's not close to being a HOF coach.

Maybe if he had stayed in STL in 2001 and had a 3rd Confrence title for his resume, or if KC made the playoffs a few times...

Sorry, he's a good coach and he's very emotional, but he's not a HOF coach.

[Gonzo]

How many coaches never reach the Superbowl? Thats a feat in itself I think.

[RP]

How many coaches have won a Superbowl?

[RoXer]

Less than 40

[RoXer]

:cool:

[D Mac]

You're kidding right? About the Hall of Fame part?


Since his "return to coaching" in 1997 he's coached 8yrs.

He made the playoffs twice.

Winning the superbowl once
Losing in the first game once.

I don't see how that added to his resume somehow gets him in the HOF when he didn't make it before (his last year before 1997 was 1982, he was elligible for the HOF and didn't get in).

His Career numbers are
Reg Season - 119-109
Post Season - 6-5 (1 superbowl win, 1 superbowl loss)

Sorry, that's not close to being a HOF coach.

Maybe if he had stayed in STL in 2001 and had a 3rd Confrence title for his resume, or if KC made the playoffs a few times...

Sorry, he's a good coach and he's very emotional, but he's not a HOF coach.


Vermeil joins Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves, and Don Shula as the only coaches in NFL history to guide two different teams to the Super Bowl. In 1999, he led St. Louis to a win in Super Bowl XXXIV and guided Philadelphia to Super Bowl XV after the 1980 season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/KC

[Gertner]

flutie dropkicking the extra point was so old school and so amazing

[RP]

Bob Sanders

[D Mac]

Deion Sanders

[Skippord]

OMG they just said Mike Martz will probably get the axe in St. Louis.

If he goes to the Chiefs I will fucking kill myself. :mad:

and we will rejoyce :cool:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

DOWN GOES TICE DOWN GOES TICE

[AlphaBean]

I wouldn't say it's a "given" that Cinci will beat Pittsburg in round 1.

If the Steelers win and the pats win, then NE goes to Denver and Pitt goes to Indy in round #2.

That drop kick was so funny.

Bean, on the Grossman thing, there was talk on one of the pregames that he somehow blames that center for him not making the probowl.

Yeah I know... Kreutz is a huge douchebag. He's gonna go down as the next Romo I bet. Except not as awesome. Cross-eyed motherfucker.

[BCWWF]

There goes Tice, kind of weird to see him go. It's also odd, just because in Minnesota we don't get rid of coaches all that often.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That drop kick extra point was some illllllllllllllllllllshit

[OssMan]

Bob Sanders
sshutting down WR

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol looked up drop kick PATs in an online dictionary and they already had an insert about Flutie's kick today. They don't fuck around

[VonErich Lives]

Vermeil joins Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves, and Don Shula as the only coaches in NFL history to guide two different teams to the Super Bowl. In 1999, he led St. Louis to a win in Super Bowl XXXIV and guided Philadelphia to Super Bowl XV after the 1980 season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/KC

Ok, we'll ignore all the other stats that make those coaches much better then Vermeil and just pick the one you mentioned.

Super Bowl Records
Shula - 2-4 (6 apperances)
Reeves - 0-4 (4 apperances)
Parcells - 2-1 (3 apperances)
Vermeil - 1-1 (2 apperances)

If you actually take the time, there are many more reasons why those coaches are in or will be and Vermeil shouldn't. Wins, Winning %, Division titles, playoff records, etc...

The whole "winning a super bowl.." yeah, only 38 other coaches have done it (well, less cause some did it more then once) that being said, let's fast foreward to say March of 2105 at that point we will have had 139 superbowls played, does 1 win or 2 apperances still get you in?

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach and a nice guy, but not HOF matertial.

[VonErich Lives]

That drop kick extra point was some illllllllllllllllllllshit

I thought funnier was the imami TD before that, celebrating with the ally-oop in a game where you're #1 team is barely beating the 3rd string and then to top it off, you miss the ally-oop and get nailed for the 15yr penalty.

now that was funny!

[Skippord]

God Damn Vermiel cries a lot

[Mr. Monday Morning]

So atm we're down Mariucci, Tice, Vermeil and Capers. Haslett and Norv Turner are almost certainties, Martz/Vitt in all likelihood won't be in St Louis, Mularkey may or may not go as well (though he's less likely than those previous). That's 7 vacancies almost certainly, possibly more. Any bets on some replacements/more vacancies?

[VonErich Lives]

Martz could be a good fit in KC or Minnesota.

Mariucci probably could have a NFL job "if" he wanted it, but words been he wants a TV job.

I woudln't be shocked to see Haslett endup somewhere.

Is Parcells contract up this year or next year? He could decide to "retire again".

might be time for Brian Billick to move on and if he does leave, he'll get another coaching job if he wants it.

Could this be the year Gary Kubiak finally takes a head coaching job?

Seems every year his name comes up and he never goes anywhere, of his own choice...

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Parcells has 1 year left from what I understand. Ravens already announced that Billick will be there next year.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Next year's early schedule is up, no dates/times yet but the teams to be played against should give a good idea what kind of strength of schedule there will be. I won't list the divisional games cause we all know what they'll be, but it basically boils down to

AFC East plays NFC North
AFC North plays NFC South
AFC South plays NFC East
AFC West plays NFC West (no griping about cross country next year)

AFC East

Buffalo
Home: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Minnesota, San Diego
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore

Miami
Home: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Minnesota, Kansas City
Away: Houston, Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh

New England
Home: Houston, Indianapolis (start the arguments now :p ), Chicago, Detroit, Denver
Away: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Minnesota, Cincinnati

NY Jets
Home: Houston, Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland
Away: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay, Minnesota, Cleveland

AFC North

Baltimore
Home: Oakland, San Diego, Atlanta, Carolina, Buffalo
Away: Denver, Kansas City, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Tennessee

Cincinnati
Home: Oakland, San Diego, Atlanta, Carolina, New England
Away: Denver, Kansas City, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis (oh my :eek: )

Cleveland
Home: Denver, Kansas City, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, NY Jets
Away: Oakland, San Diego, Atlanta, Carolina, Houston

Pittsburgh
Home: Denver, Kansas City, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Miami
Away: Oakland, San Diego, Atlanta, Carolina, Jacksonville

AFC South

Houston
Home: Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia, Washington, Cleveland
Away: New England, NY Jets, Dallas, NY Giants, Oakland

Indianapolis
Home: Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia, Washington, Cincinnati
Away: New England, NY Jets, Dallas, NY Giants, Denver (oh my :eek: )

Jacksonville
Home: New England, NY Jets, Dallas, NY Giants, Pittsburgh
Away: Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia, Washington, Kansas City

Tennessee
Home: New England, NY Jets, Dallas, NY Giants, Baltimore
Away: Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia, Washington, San Diego

AFC West

Denver
Home: Baltimore, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Seattle, Indianapolis
Away: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Arizona, St Louis, New England

Kansas City
Home: Baltimore, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Seattle, Jacksonville
Away: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Arizona, St Louis, Miami

Oakland
Home: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Arizona, St Louis, Houston
Away: Baltimore, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Seattle, NY Jets

San Diego
Home: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Arizona, St Louis, Tennessee
Away: Baltimore, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo

NFC East

Dallas
Home: New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Houston, Indianapolis, Detroit
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Arizona

NY Giants
Home: New Orleans (just like this year then :rofl: ), Tampa Bay, Houston, Indianapolis, Chicago
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Seattle

Philadelphia
Home: New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Houston, Indianapolis, Green Bay
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Jacksonville, Tennessee, San Francisco

Washington
Home: New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Houston, Indianapolis, Minnesota
Away: Atlanta, Carolina, Jacksonville, Tennessee, St Louis

NFC North

Chicago
Home: San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo, Miami, Tampa Bay
Away: Arizona, St Louis, New England, NY Jets, NY Giants

Detroit
Home: San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo, Miami, Atlanta
Away: Arizona, St Louis, New England, NY Jets, Dallas

Green Bay
Home: Arizona, St Louis, New England, NY Jets, New Orleans
Away: San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia

Minnesota
Home: Arizona, St Louis, New England, NY Jets, Carolina
Away: San Francisco, Seattle, Buffalo, Miami, Washington

NFC South

Atlanta
Home: Dallas, NY Giants, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Arizona
Away: Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Detroit

Carolina
Home: Dallas, NY Giants, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St Louis
Away: Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Minnesota

New Orleans
Home: Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore, Cincinnati, San Francisco
Away: Dallas, NY Giants, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Green Bay

Tampa Bay
Home: Philadelphia, Washington, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Seattle
Away: Dallas, NY Giants, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago

NFC West

Arizona
Home: Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Kansas City, Dallas
Away: Green Bay, Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego, Atlanta

St Louis
Home: Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Kansas City, Washington
Away: Green Bay, Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego, Carolina

San Francisco
Home: Green Bay, Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego, Philadelphia
Away: Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Kansas City, New Orleans

Seattle
Home: Green Bay, Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego, NY Giants
Away: Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Kansas City, Tampa Bay

The ones that immediately jump out at me are Cincinnati (v. tough), Seattle, (tough) and San Diego (pretty soft)

[Skippord]

We are fucked

[Skippord]

I think Skip Bayless has a vendetta against Jake Plummer Jesus Christ

[AlphaBean]

lol I will shoot myself if we get Gregg Williams or Mike Martz as our head coach. It's just not a good idea. :(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The whole "winning a super bowl.." yeah, only 38 other coaches have done it (well, less cause some did it more then once)

1/8 of the Super Bowls have been won by a head coach who graduated from the University of Dayton which is more than any other school in the country. OH YEAH

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Sherman is out

[AlphaBean]

Sherman is a pretty good coach. He is just a horrible, horrible General Manager.

Vikings would be wise to bring him in to just coach, leaving Brzynski to do the amazing job of staffing he's done.

[The Greater Power]

Thompson said his decision didn't have anything to do with the record this year, he knows we had a bad record because of injuries.

Hopefully this won't affect Favre's decision...we need Mariucci or that Childress guy from Philly.

[VonErich Lives]

lol I will shoot myself if we get Gregg Williams or Mike Martz as our head coach. It's just not a good idea. :(

I dunno, I can't see Greg Williams getting rehired as a head coach already.

As for Martz, he's a great offensive mind, the only problem I've always had with him, is he what he's doing isn't working, he's not willing to adapt, it's the "well, it can't be the system it must be the execution" attitude, and seems more willing to force a system on players rather then create a system for the players he has.

That being said, he wouldn't be a horrible fit for the Vikes, with the talent you have, his system could work pretty well and hopefully he learned from his mistakes (see: Belicheck - Cleveland).

[VonErich Lives]

We are fucked

How's that?

[D Mac]

Ok, we'll ignore all the other stats that make those coaches much better then Vermeil and just pick the one you mentioned.

Super Bowl Records
Shula - 2-4 (6 apperances)
Reeves - 0-4 (4 apperances)
Parcells - 2-1 (3 apperances)
Vermeil - 1-1 (2 apperances)

If you actually take the time, there are many more reasons why those coaches are in or will be and Vermeil shouldn't. Wins, Winning %, Division titles, playoff records, etc...

The whole "winning a super bowl.." yeah, only 38 other coaches have done it (well, less cause some did it more then once) that being said, let's fast foreward to say March of 2105 at that point we will have had 139 superbowls played, does 1 win or 2 apperances still get you in?

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach and a nice guy, but not HOF matertial.


Oh well he'll definatly be in the MISSOURI Hall of fame. :p

[D Mac]

God Damn Vermiel cries a lot

:'( :foc:

[D Mac]

Martz could be a good fit in KC

NO :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Rams have asked for permission to speak to Ron Rivera. I know the Bears D is great and all but I dunno if it'd be so wise a choice as head coach.

[AlphaBean]

I dunno, I can't see Greg Williams getting rehired as a head coach already.

As for Martz, he's a great offensive mind, the only problem I've always had with him, is he what he's doing isn't working, he's not willing to adapt, it's the "well, it can't be the system it must be the execution" attitude, and seems more willing to force a system on players rather then create a system for the players he has.

That being said, he wouldn't be a horrible fit for the Vikes, with the talent you have, his system could work pretty well and hopefully he learned from his mistakes (see: Belicheck - Cleveland).

I would be very interested to see Martz put his fingerprints on the Vikings offense... everyone wanted us to have a team that won and stopped trying so hard to be an offense-minded team, but that's not fun. The thing is, I just don't think Martz is a very good coach.

You know, I was talking to my brother about this today... how many defensive head coaches are there available besides Ron Rivera to be hired? I mean, are there any who lost their jobs? Aren't ALL of the guys who have been fired... offense-minded coaches? Whenever a defensive coordinator gets a head coaching job, he always keeps his job. Because when you build around defense, you don't have to be that good on offense, and when you focus on the tougher side of the ball, you're bound to be a tougher team because of it.

I think Ron Rivera might be pretty good; Kubiak if at all possible... dunno, someone like that. Bring back Ditka. lol, just no more offense... at least if we plan on winning.

[RoXer]

Packers fire Sherman

[AlphaBean]

Thanks, Supreme, we got it the first time bro.

[RP]

Seacrest out

[Skippord]

How's that?

Pittsburgh New England Indy Cinci our division and Seattle

[RoXer]

Sherman fired by Packers


























But really now, theres going to be a huge mix and match with coaching staffs next years.

[RP]

this just in... Sherman out

[Skippord]

Fuck were gonna lose Kubiak

[AlphaBean]

The Kubes to MN? :eek:?

[Skippord]

or Houston

[AlphaBean]

ROFL WHY would he do that? Going years without accepting any offers... every year getting new offers, and now... going to the worst team ever?

[Skippord]

Well he is supposed to interview for them this week

[RP]

ROFL WHY would he do that? Going years without accepting any offers... every year getting new offers, and now... going to the worst team ever?


Reggie Bush

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Reggie Bush is not the Texans' answer to their problems. RB is probably their best position.

[AlphaBean]

Yeah Reggie Bush may be good, but Gale Sayers didn't run behind no offensive line.

[RP]

Reggie Bush will fly

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah when he gets clotheslined by a linebacker every 5 minutes.

[RP]

Reggie Bush dont die. Reggie Bush multiplies

[CNM]

Kubes is from Texas. I think this is finally the time he goes. Too bad.

[AlphaBean]

Yeah when he gets clotheslined by a linebacker every 5 minutes.

How many times do the Texans face the Chargers next year? :chin:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well according to Mister Monday Morning zero, but I don't trust the English.

[AlphaBean]

Well then, in the playoffs Merriman will make up for it, and force 12 fumbles from Bush in the game. :lol:

Also, IT SEEMS BILL PARCELLS HAS NOT SIGNED HIS EXTENSION AND IS CONTEMPLATING HIS FUTURE.

HIS FUTURE

MEANING

COACHING THE VIKINGS.

Holy shit, please God I've been a good boy... you gave me Sharper and I'm thankful for that, but Parcells in Minnesota would be so NEAT, you have no idea!

[VonErich Lives]

Pittsburgh New England Indy Cinci our division and Seattle

At least wait until you get elminated this year before you complain about next years schedule :)

[VonErich Lives]

I know we talked pre-season about strength of schedule, which based off 2004 had Miami with the most difficult, the Pats 2nd (only because they played miami where miami played the pats) and the Past had the "toughets stretch in nfl history" I think it was like a 6 game stretch. My points always been that SOS before the season means crap, because you have teams like Miami who go from being
4-12 in 2004 to being 9-7 in 2005
Teams like the Jets
10-6 Playoff team in 2004 to 4-12 in 2005.

I always say, lets look at SOS when the season is over, well it is and here's a link with a break down.

http://www.fftoday.com/sos/sos.htm

a few notes.

Playoff team who had the toughest schedule: New England
Playoff team who had the easiest schedule: Seattle

It's something interesting to look at, but don't put too much stock into it, while it does have some effect, you can't choose who you play, I prefer to look at teams records vs. over .500 teams, if someone has a link or time to to that, please post! thanks!

[AlphaBean]

Seriously though, check out those Dolphins. Pretty promising year (but they've had like 5 of them in the last 6 years or something)...

Also, I dunno if I posted it here but I'll post it again: TICE ASKED TO BE TOLD SOONER THAN LATER WHETHER HE WAS GETTING FIRED. THEY RESPECTED HIS WISHES YET FINISHED THE SEASON RATHER THAN FIRING HIM WITH ONE GAME LEFT (which is what Red did to Denny Green).

So Tice got to go out on top, he went out with a smile, it was an emotional victory, and I hope to see him back in MN someday soon.

I would orgasm 3 million times if he came back as an assistant coach under Parcells. Maybe put Martz in at O-Coordinator ;)

[VonErich Lives]

Seriously though, check out those Dolphins. Pretty promising year (but they've had like 5 of them in the last 6 years or something)...

Also, I dunno if I posted it here but I'll post it again: TICE ASKED TO BE TOLD SOONER THAN LATER WHETHER HE WAS GETTING FIRED. THEY RESPECTED HIS WISHES YET FINISHED THE SEASON RATHER THAN FIRING HIM WITH ONE GAME LEFT (which is what Red did to Denny Green).

So Tice got to go out on top, he went out with a smile, it was an emotional victory, and I hope to see him back in MN someday soon.

I would orgasm 3 million times if he came back as an assistant coach under Parcells. Maybe put Martz in at O-Coordinator ;)

On the Phins I agree, I figured they'd look good, but was suprised how good. They need a QB and some of their defensive stars are getting up in age, but are still on top of their game. That being said, I think the difference between this and the previous "promising" dolphin teams is they have a good coach.

[VonErich Lives]

On Tice, maybe they were afraid he'd try and scalp his superbowl tickets :)

Nah, I heard the same, he wanted to know ASAP, that being said... didn't they tell him in the lockeroom shortly after the game? dunno, I guess they could have let him known before the game so he could say "goodbye" to his team...

[AlphaBean]

Wilf promised midway through the season, Tice would coach until the end... and he did.

[Skippord]

At least wait until you get elminated this year before you complain about next years schedule :)

Never

[Gonzo]

Don't the Vikings have a wealth of RB's? They have Mewelde Moore, Ciatrick Fason, Moe Williams and Michael Bennett. They oughta get a coach who will utilize that. I'm not sure how their defense is.

[Y2Ant]

and we have Onterrio Smith :o

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Their D pretty much got them to the brink of the playoffs after LoveBoat, so who knows. I read an article somewhere about Culpepper maybe not going back after he's rehabbed though (:|), let me find it...

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9138006">Here</a> scroll down to the Daunte's Inferno bit. I really can't see it happening, but who knows?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Well according to Mister Monday Morning zero, but I don't trust the English.

I will steal your tea

[D Mac]

Chiefs got a decent schedule.

[Y2Ant]

Moss leaving is one thing, but Culpepper aswell would just be fucking ridiculous. Who would they start instead, Brad Johnson all season? Fuck that

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They should draft the next great MAC quarterback.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Cadillac won OROY

[Gertner]

lol flutie won special teams player of the week

[Gonzo]

People need to get over the dropkick. He didn't cure cancer for crying out loud.

[AlphaBean]

People need to get over the dropkick. He didn't cure cancer for crying out loud.

Should have made a Flutie Flakes joke.

[Rain Man]

Did anyone see Dick Vermeil's press conference where he brought his Grandson on the stage?? I know that kid, I played lacrosse with him a few summers ago and lives 10 minutes from me.

[Gonzo]

FLY EAGLES FLY

[AlphaBean]

Did anyone see Dick Vermeil's press conference where he brought his Grandson on the stage?? I know that kid, I played lacrosse with him a few summers ago and lives 10 minutes from me.

Grandson? He must be in his 30s by now.

"Guys, meet my successor: Dick Vermeil III."

[VonErich Lives]

Should have made a Flutie Flakes joke.

Friend of mine bought a box once... said they were so bad they caused autism!

[VonErich Lives]

People need to get over the dropkick. He didn't cure cancer for crying out loud.

and who did you want to give ST player of the week to.

Remember, I'm a Pats fan, but I can't stand Flutie. I respect what he's done for charity (given it's a charity that benefits a disease his son has), anyone I know who has delt with him personally has said he's an ass, and he gets a free ride in this town because he threw a lucky pass, he tried to play in the NFL and couldn't, his WR's complain things like "you have no idea where the ball is coming from because you can't see him back there".

That being said, it being "special" because it hadn't been done since 1941 is crap! (or was it in 41 years?), it's not done because a FG style pick is easier and more accurate.

That being said, what he did is not easy, and I gotta give him props for it. Of course, if the game counted it wouldn't have ever happened, but now he can be in the books for hopefully his last season, for his home team, with a score.

[Gonzo]

I really don't care that he got any recognition or award for it but c'mon. It was a dropkick, meaningless in all sense. Its not like it won the Pats the game. Its pretty stupid in the sense that Flutie actually practiced something like this and everyone makes a big deal out of it.

[VonErich Lives]

I really don't care that he got any recognition or award for it but c'mon. It was a dropkick, meaningless in all sense. Its not like it won the Pats the game. Its pretty stupid in the sense that Flutie actually practiced something like this and everyone makes a big deal out of it.

Actually Steve Deosie (former Giant, Pat, Jet) and local radio guy, played at BC, I think same time as Flutie said a few of them used to do them at practice for fun.

I just give him credit because it's not easy to do, hit the ground just right, kick etc... it's funny, I don't think anyone think's it's a great accomplishment, it's simply something not seen for many years and it was found funny.

My brother is a Phins fan, he couldn't figure out what was more embarasaing, Flutie hitting that kick, or the missed ally-op which also got a 15yd penalty when the Phins 1st team was barely beating the Pats cheerleaders.

[AlphaBean]

Yeah but who cares about week 17. Give whatever you want to whomever you want.

But will the fucking Longhorns do something? JESUS.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I haven't heard anything about the dropkick since the day after it happened. I don't anyone is really saying its the greatest shit ever, but it was pretty sick. It's actaully better then back in the day, because when they did it all the time, the ball was mad differently and you bounce the ball back up, like a rugby ball. So when they used to do it, they didn't do it like Flutie, where he kicked right when the ball touched the ground. They used to let to bounce back up then kick it.

[VonErich Lives]

I haven't heard anything about the dropkick since the day after it happened. I don't anyone is really saying its the greatest shit ever, but it was pretty sick. It's actaully better then back in the day, because when they did it all the time, the ball was mad differently and you bounce the ball back up, like a rugby ball. So when they used to do it, they didn't do it like Flutie, where he kicked right when the ball touched the ground. They used to let to bounce back up then kick it.

I could have sworn there was a bounce before he kicked it, not a huge bounce, but a bounce... it's was quick so I could be wrong.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

There was, very brief one. Actually makes it harder cause there's no exact way to know how the ball will react when it hits the ground unless you drop it in exactly the right spot.

[VonErich Lives]

First let me say, in all fairness he got some things right, he called the Colts D top 5 and we all laughed at him, he predicted Orton could lead the Bears and make the playoffs and we all laughed at him and a few other things.

Also, I'll be the first to say, you can find plenty of things I screwed up (so did everyone) such as last year when I felt Tiki Barber was a 1yr fluke (he did it again this year, he even had less fumbles this year! Plus my "The Jets will make the playoffs and possible the division" didn't exactly pan out did it?

But, since me and RP enjoy our back and forth, and he stands by his team and I really needed a distraction for a few mins... her's some quotes of RP's from before the season.

As said, he got some right and some wrong, and I'd never call him the "Wadding" of the forum!

Ok, I’m bored so a little RP history from before the season.


In the North , Everyone is in love with the Vikings. I'm in love with Detroit. I'll take Detroit coming out of this division. Once they bench Harrington ( THEY WILL BENCH HARRINGTON ) Garcia will run that team brilliantly. Mooch might be chasing a Superbowl ring soon.


In the South , Carolina is going to be big this year.


In the West, I love Arizona . They got a great Offense. If they're O-line protects Warner just a little bit. they'll be 8-8. I think they will win the division by default.

The Seahawks just seem like a train wreck waiting to happen. I bet that Shaun Alexander issue will catch fire during the season and disrupt.



In the North, Baltimore Ravens. I think Kyle Boller is ready to step up and be a Superstar. Jamal Lewis has his court deal behind him. They have a decent core of recievers and Todd Heap is one of the best tight ends in the league. They're defense is one of the best in the league. I think Pittsburgh will have a horrible downfall to 8-8.


In the West , I like the Chiefs.

Denver will be Denver. A whole lot of bark. Not alot of bite. Probably will finish last in the division.


In the South, I'm taking Indianapolis.

You'll hear it here first. Look out for the Texans. This team worries me. They have a good defense and David Carr is the next Brett Farve imo. The guy slings it. He's one of the most exciting QB's in the league for me to watch. He's got a solid rb and great recievers to throw too. If they can protect him and he can cut down on his Int's. The Texans are going to the playoffs this year.



NFL MVP = You know , this may be a stretch , but i'm going to say Willis McGahee.

NFL rookie of the year= Cedric Benson. I just have a hunch here.

Vinatari will get hurt and the Patriots will sign Doug Brien.




I almost picked the Ravens as AFC Champs.

J.P Losman is the second coming of Kenny Stabler.

If Losman doesnt make huge mistakes, Buffalo can go to the Superbowl.

The Broncos, Bengals, Browns, Dolphins, Texans, and Raiders arent going to the playoffs. Are they a challenge? Maybe, but the Bills have a better team then all of them. The only team even close to the Bills ( Out of that group ) is the Bengals.

Im picking the Cheifs to win the West and i dont think the Chargers will do anything better then 8-8.



This year will be the most important in Mannings career. He has the best Defense he's ever had on his team. Every peice from last years Offense is in tact with the exception of Pollard and an O-linemen. There really isnt any excuses this year. This team should win the Superbowl, but if they cant beat the Pats... Tuff shit for Manning.

RP ya know deep down I love ya man! :kiss:

[AlphaBean]

I could have sworn there was a bounce before he kicked it, not a huge bounce, but a bounce... it's was quick so I could be wrong.

KICKBALL RULES. If you can pitch it with no bounce, you're money.

Also, I'm sure we've all made bad predictions in the past... that's part of making bold predictions: Anyone can say "Well you can never count the pats out, but you never know in the NFL, maybe even the Bears could make some noise!"

[RP]

You'll hear it here first. Look out for the Texans


OMG...LOL

[RP]

OMG thats like the funniest post i've ever had. I cant stop laughing.

I was all like ... Willis Magahee ??? Duhh!

Look out for the Lions. :rofl:

Seattle a train wreck :$

[RP]

That my friends was the 1st time i smoked crack.

[VonErich Lives]

KICKBALL RULES. If you can pitch it with no bounce, you're money.

Also, I'm sure we've all made bad predictions in the past... that's part of making bold predictions: Anyone can say "Well you can never count the pats out, but you never know in the NFL, maybe even the Bears could make some noise!"

If a bear craps in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Benson :'(

VEL I'm curious, going by your definition of paper team (ie the Chargers last season) what is your take on the Seahawks? Their schedule is below btw

Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26
Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18
Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12
Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20
Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31
Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10
Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10
Week 8 BYE
Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19
Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16
Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25
Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21
Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0
Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3
Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24
Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13
Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23

[VonErich Lives]

Benson :'(

VEL I'm curious, going by your definition of paper team (ie the Chargers last season) what is your take on the Seahawks? Their schedule is below btw

Sep 11 @Jacksonville Lost 14-26
Sep 18 Atlanta Won 21-18
Sep 25 Arizona Won 37-12
Oct 2 @Washington Lost 17-20
Oct 9 @St. Louis Won 37-31
Oct 16 Houston Won 42-10
Oct 23 Dallas Won 13-10
Week 8 BYE
Nov 6 @Arizona Won 33-19
Nov 13 St. Louis Won 31-16
Nov 20 @San Francisco Won 27-25
Nov 27 N.Y. Giants Won 24-21
Dec 5 @Philadelphia Won 42-0
Dec 11 San Francisco Won 41-3
Dec 18 @Tennessee Won 28-24
Dec 24 Indianapolis Won 28-13
Jan 1 @Green Bay Lost 17-23

Ya know, I was looking at this the other day, after picking Seattle to go to the superbowl and then posting the SOS link above...

They had he 4th easiest schedule in the NFL.

that being said, they were 4-2 against teams .500 or above, they were 2-2 against teams that made the playoffs.

So, while they did have a lot of bad teams on their schedule, when they played the good ones they won 2/3 of them and 1/2 of them vs playoff teams.

No we can argue the Indy game shouldn't count, Indy had nothing to prove, homefield, streak over, coach out.... so if you take that game away.

3-2 vs good teams, 1-2 against playoffs teams.

The example I use for a "paper team" is SD of last year, who was (if I remember correctly) 2-4 against good teams.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That dropkick is not as hard as people think it is. It's fairly easy once you get the bounce down. If that was the first time he had ever tried it would've been more impressive but guys in rugby can drop kick a ball a good 50 yards. Not to sound self servient but I made a 40 meter (roughly 43 yards) drop kick and I was just some high school rugby punk.

I just enjoyed the fact that they even thought about trying it. Good for them

[D Mac]

(1/6) Chiefs President Carl Peterson confirmed this morning that he would talk to N.Y. Jets head coach Herm Edwards regarding the head coaching opening at the Kansas City Chiefs.


www.kcchiefs.com

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Rugby ball is a lot less responsive than an NFL ball (least they were last time I played). Not arguing, tho.

[VonErich Lives]

(1/6) Chiefs President Carl Peterson confirmed this morning that he would talk to N.Y. Jets head coach Herm Edwards regarding the head coaching opening at the Kansas City Chiefs.


www.kcchiefs.com

I thought I heard it was a done deal for a 4th round pick.

The rumor is the Jets are getting Hasslet.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I thought I heard it was a done deal for a 4th round pick.

The rumor is the Jets are getting Hasslet.


That honestly wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

One last thing about the dropkick...the last person to do it before Flutie actually coached for one year at my high school haha. WOBURN PRIDE BABY

[Joey Slugs]

Brian Urlacher is Defensive Player of the Year :love:

[D Mac]

I thought I heard it was a done deal for a 4th round pick.

The rumor is the Jets are getting Hasslet.

The Chiefs and Jets finally agreed to compensation Friday, leaving Edwards free to negotiate with Kansas City to replace longtime mentor Dick Vermeil. The Jets, in turn, will receive a surprisingly low fourth-round pick from Kansas City.

Though Edwards technically remained Jets coach until a new deal with the Chiefs was finished, the organization started the process of replacing him. On their list of candidates are their three top assistants: defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson, offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger and assistant head coach/special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff, along with Baltimore offensive coordinator Jim Fassel, former Saints coach Jim Haslett and former Packers coach Mike Sherman.



http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NYJ/9149112

[D Mac]

Isn't Herm another emotional guy? :lol:

[RP]

I think the Seattle defense will get exposed in the playoffs. Jim Sorgi and the second stringers of Indy were moving the ball on Seattle somewhat effectivly and they only lost by two td's. Thats with Seattle playing there first stringers on both sides for majority of the game.

I would love to see them in the Superbowl, but like i said. I think someone will break that defense.

I picked Redskins in the NFC. Just a feeling and Portis has been amazing lately.

[Skippord]

OK Chris Berman needs to get off Flutie's dick already

[VonErich Lives]

One last thing about the dropkick...the last person to do it before Flutie actually coached for one year at my high school haha. WOBURN PRIDE BABY

You mean Wu-Town! :D

So, did you hear there was another offer for Edwards? The Patriots offered a 3rd round pick if the Jets keep him :p

Actually, I don't think Edwards is a bad coach, it just seems it tight games they have some "clock management skills" that are off.

[AlphaBean]

I thought the NFL banned trades for coaches after the Oakland/Bucs trade for... what's his name... blondie... the douchebag who coaches the Bucs.

[AlphaBean]

(Gruden)

[OssMan]

I picked Redskins in the NFC. Just a feeling and Portis has been amazing lately.no

[Team Sheep]

Can't wait for the games today. Wild card games are so competitive. Gonna be a hell of a weekend.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

This Tampa Bay/Washington game isn't too competitive. I was gunning for TB all the way, but at this point (8:42 in the 2nd quarter, 14 - 3 Washington), that might just be a blind hope.

I'm really looking to the Patriots/Jaguars. Been waiting for that all dayyyyy.

[Skippord]

17-3

[OssMan]

Wow the Redskins are the most annoying team in the NFL. Everyone on their team is a huge ass hole except for like Jon Jansen. I am gonna punch LaVar Arrington in the face because he lives like 20 minutes away from me.

LOL at Sean Taylor injuring his teammate also

[The Outlaw]

17-10

Not too competitive at all.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Hmmm, maybe Tampa Bay will actually come back. I'd actually like to stop hearing about Washington.

[D Mac]

LOL at bullshit call. You get hit by another player and you get the penalty. hmmmm.

[The Outlaw]

Worst...Call...Ever

[D Mac]

He got ejected. LOL WTF

[UmbrellaCorporation]

...Wow. Just...wow.

[Gonzo]

Who got ejected?

[The Outlaw]

Oh, he spit in Pittman's face. No wonder...

[The Outlaw]

Taylor for Washington.

[Gonzo]

Yeah, can't be having that I guess.

[D Mac]

What a great game.

GOD I LOVE THE FUCKING NFL PLAYOFFS. :cool:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

That call is bullshit, pure and simple. His knee was down before that ball popped out.

[D Mac]

well he explained it well...

[UmbrellaCorporation]

True that. Either way, this game has been so amazing.

Can't wait to see the Pats/Jaguars too.

[D Mac]

still got time but not much

[D Mac]

nice punt buddy.....

Here we go. This is it....

[D Mac]

Aww Chris. Damn

Redskins win

[Skippord]

FUCK I HATE THE REDSKINS

[The Miz]

BRUNELL :shifty:

[D Mac]

Is Diet Pepsi Machine playing in the Pats game tonight? :shifty:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Gay beyond all belief. :(

But now it's time for the Pats/Jags. Should be pretty good.

[Gonzo]

Young QB, sucks that it ended that way though.

[The Miz]

Bring it Redskins (I have tickets)

Brunell is like my fave college QB of all time though :(

[D Mac]

Oh, he spit in Pittman's face. No wonder...

yep just saw the replay.

[D Mac]

Bring it Redskins (I have tickets)

Brunell is like my fave college QB of all time though :(

This is probably his last hurrah.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

So Seattle has to play the Redskins now, if I'm not mistaken.

So to that, I say Seattle FTW! Hope the Hawks totally own them.

Seriously though, correct me if I'm wrong. I suck with the seed things.

[el fregadero]

Good luck, VEL and Stima.

You're gonna need it !

[D Mac]

LOL If a pass hits a ref should it really count as incomplete?

[D Mac]

Question is, Is Byron Leftwich capable of taking a team to the Super Bowl?

[Skippord]

Go Jags wooooooooooooooooooooo

[punt]

Redskins handed Seattle one of their only losses earlier in the season. The offense HAS to play better than they did today do to anything though.

[Gonzo]

LOL If a pass hits a ref should it really count as incomplete?

I hate when that shit happens, they should replay the down.

[punt]

I hate when that shit happens, they should replay the down.

Yea, but then it will end up as a farce. The QB will be in trouble and intentionally hit the ref.

[D Mac]

Yea, but then it will end up as a farce. The QB will be in trouble and intentionally hit the ref.

Then have a penalty called "Intentional Ref Hitting". :p

[Gonzo]

Yea, but then it will end up as a farce. The QB will be in trouble and intentionally hit the ref.

Yeah good point. I guess you're right considering it only happens every once in a blue moon.

[el fregadero]

Why aren't they letting Vinateri kick them? I understand they're playing for field position, but isn't he supposed to be clutch and all that? It's only a 45 yarder.

[punt]

Good hit on Leftwich, I want to see how he reacts if he takes a hit to the ankle.

[el fregadero]

Ah, ABC answered my question for me.

[punt]

What - I missed it?

[Skippord]

Good hit on Leftwich, I want to see how he reacts if he takes a hit to the ankle.

Ow my fucking ankle would be my guess

[D Mac]

7- zip Pats

[Skippord]

Fumbling cunt

[punt]

Ow my fucking ankle would be my guess
:y:

[D Mac]

Alright that Diet Pepsi Machine commercial is getting annoying. :mad:

[Tallest Midget]

herm edwards is a ho, why he wanna go to KC for? is he gonna cry now too?

[D Mac]

Quit following me around, cunt.

[D Mac]

7-3 Pats, Halftime. Another good game.

[Gonzo]

Yeah not too bad through 2 quarters.

[Kid Robb]

TB got fucked on that no touchdown call. He clearly had control of it when both knees were down.

[punt]

Pats will be a different team 2nd half - Belichick is the best I have ever seen at revamping the game plan.

[Skippord]

The jags are gonna score 47 points in the fourth quarter to win the game

[punt]

6 TD's + 1 FG + 1 safety = 47 ??