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ct2k
08-03-2006, 10:46 AM
I'm starting to think that myself now, not gonna make a prediction yet though:p

Loose Cannon
08-03-2006, 03:54 PM
*yawn* another Yankee win over those Jays.

This is getting rather boring now. *yawn*

SammyG
08-03-2006, 04:05 PM
Maddux's first start today with the Dodgers. I'm excited.

FakeLaser
08-03-2006, 04:38 PM
Nice start by Lidle. 6.0 IP, 1 ER, 5 Ks, 2 BBs

Loose Cannon
08-03-2006, 04:43 PM
Mr August

Joey Slugs
08-03-2006, 05:59 PM
Report: Red Sox get catching help in Javy Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2538688)

YOUR Hero
08-03-2006, 08:03 PM
He has to go through waivers first now. I don't see other teams letting this happen... those that can afford it/him, anyway.

YOUR Hero
08-03-2006, 08:04 PM
....hell, even a team like Pittsburgh would be wise to claim him if he went on waivers.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-03-2006, 10:43 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Ahh. He didn't play last night...but the name sounds familiar from somewhere. I think he got in some big league Spring Training games this year and I'm almost certain he was on the 40-Man Roster for like a week haha.</font>
Yeah I think he might have gotten release right before that game you went to actually.

SammyG
08-04-2006, 02:44 AM
Dodgerzzzz

ct2k
08-04-2006, 07:41 AM
So Jake Westbrook gives up 6 ER on 15 hits and still gets the win:lol:

Also, Josh Beckett sucks, how has that guy won 13 games?


Also, happy to see Lidle, Abreu and Craig Wilson all producing:y:

The Miz
08-04-2006, 08:46 AM
lol wow just saw Jay Payton's reaction to getting hit with the bases loaded in a one run game. What a fag, he flipped out and wanted to charge the mound. Is this guy serious?

What are you talking about? Excuse him for playing with emotion, he didn´t ¨flip out¨. Playing in a game like that with all the adrenaline flowing I don´t blame him. And the bases weren´t loaded, first base was open with Nick ¨5 hits in the last 2 months¨ Swisher on deck and it was obviously intentional. Not to mention he´d homered the previous two games vs. them, including a game winner. If doing what he did makes him a fag then Curt Schilling is by far the biggest homosexual in the history of the universe.

"When you get hit in the hand and you feel like it's broken, you react," said Payton, who will have X-rays taken. "The anger was more toward the fact my hand might be broken. I know [Shields] is a good guy."

YEAH MAN IS THIS KID SERIOUS

YOUR Hero
08-04-2006, 09:33 AM
Jay Payton is an open homosexual.

RoXer
08-04-2006, 12:29 PM
I'm not a Jay Payton fan.

OssMan
08-04-2006, 01:14 PM
so does Josh Beckett still have that streak of home runs allowed still going

Boomer
08-04-2006, 01:42 PM
Javy Lopez is past his prime, and had a great last contract year with the Braves. He's still my boy, just don't know how good he can still be. He hasn't been given that much of a chance.

ct2k
08-04-2006, 02:00 PM
I like Javy, he's a pretty good producer if a little inconsistent, but catcher isn't a position that should be relied upon for hitting anyway so he gets a pass

Boomer
08-04-2006, 03:34 PM
So Andruw has been claimed on waivers. Interesting. Gonna see if the Braves are ballsy and crazy enough to trade him.

FakeLaser
08-04-2006, 04:21 PM
I like Javy, he's a pretty good producer if a little inconsistent, but catcher isn't a position that should be relied upon for hitting anyway so he gets a pass
He'd get a pass if he was a good defensive catcher.

The Miz
08-04-2006, 06:27 PM
There´s no way Atlanta could get near the value they´re looking for through waivers, because players on the 40-man rosters aren´t eligible to be traded. It would be smart of them to trade Jones this offseason though

McLegend
08-04-2006, 09:34 PM
It looks like Chase's streak might be over.

OssMan
08-04-2006, 09:38 PM
It looks like Chase's streak might be over.he'll probably have another at bat, valentin robbed him though :cool:

I kinda want to see it go on

Evil Vito
08-04-2006, 10:15 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Utley whiffs in the 9th. Barring a huge Philly inning or Mets pushing it into extras, its over.</font>

Evil Vito
08-04-2006, 10:28 PM
<font color=goldenrod>haha streak over

So what if they lost the game. 11 game lead still :cool:

It kills me how pessimistic Mets fans are. They all think the team will collapse ala 1978 Red Sox :|

-EDIT-

ROFL @ Phillies fans. Flooding the message boards calling Mets fans classless for cheering the end of the streak. Since when were Philly fans allowed to judge classiness?

Umm....the Mets were still in the game...why would we want him to get a hit and make the odds of winning worse?</font> :o

mrslackalack
08-04-2006, 10:39 PM
I wonder if the Red Sox is getting Jones? I have heard them the Angels and the Astros.

dablackguy
08-04-2006, 10:43 PM
<font color=goldenrod>

ROFL @ Phillies fans. Flooding the message boards calling Mets fans classless for cheering the end of the streak. Since when were Philly fans allowed to judge classiness?
</font> :o

:y:

Booing Santa Claus = class
hahah

OssMan
08-05-2006, 01:51 AM
haha streak over

So what if they lost the game. 11 game lead still :cool:

It kills me how pessimistic Mets fans are. They all think the team will collapse ala 1978 Red Sox :|

-EDIT-

ROFL @ Phillies fans. Flooding the message boards calling Mets fans classless for cheering the end of the streak. Since when were Philly fans allowed to judge classiness?

Umm....the Mets were still in the game...why would we want him to get a hit and make the odds of winning worse? :odo you post on the mets board :shifty:

weather vane
08-05-2006, 02:44 AM
Ortiz is too good for this league. Needs his own league. Him and Pujols.

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 05:48 AM
Mauer and Morneau

ct2k
08-05-2006, 08:39 AM
Ortiz is too good for this league. Needs his own league. Him and Pujols.

I rate Pujols higher purely because he hits for a higher average and he actually plays defense

Evil Vito
08-05-2006, 11:03 AM
do you post on the mets board :shifty:

<font color=goldenrod>Don't really post there...I have an account but I generally just go there to read the posts.

It's good for a laugh. I'd say about 75% of the people there think the Mets are going to collapse. Unfaithful bastards.</font>

The Miz
08-05-2006, 12:14 PM
lol Ortiz vs. Pujols. Come on

34 points of OBP
48 points of SLG

Ortiz is not the best hitter or best DH in the AL anyway so I´m not sure why he´s being brought up in the first place

ct2k
08-05-2006, 12:20 PM
Clutch;)

Nah really, its weird when you look at Ortiz, he was pretty normal until he came to the Sox and boom, he's the 'best hitter' around, don't get me wrong i'd definitely take him as a DH but i dunno, Pujols is ridiculously brilliant

The Miz
08-05-2006, 12:21 PM
Yeah doubling his home run total as well as adding like 40 pounds in bulk was pretty amazing

The Miz
08-05-2006, 12:22 PM
Pujols is the best player, period, though. ARod, Hafner, Ortiz--all good, but Pujols is truly in a league of his own

ct2k
08-05-2006, 12:25 PM
Literally when you consider the rest of the NL;)

The Miz
08-05-2006, 12:40 PM
So with Harold Reynolds gone, guess who has been named the new announcer of the Little League World Series?

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/about/images/Morgan_Joe.jpg

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ct2k
08-05-2006, 12:47 PM
Yknow I actually find Joe Morgan's idiocy quite loveable:love:

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 02:38 PM
I made the post a few weeks ago, but I will reiterate it now. David Ortiz AND Jim Thome do not deserve to be the MVP this season, again, and the reasoning is Justin Morneau. Please take the time to look at the following stats, which are more noteworthy now than they used to be.

Justin Morneau:
BA: 324 (6)
RBI: 94 (2)
HR: 28 (8)
OPS: .977 (8)

David Ortiz:
AVG: 289 (35)
RBI: 107 (1)
HR: 29 (1)
OPS: 1.021 (4)

Jim Thome:
AVG: 294 (30)
RBI: 83 (8)
HR: 33 (2)
OPS: 1.039 (3)

So as you can see, these three players are about equal in terms of the major statistics that they would be judged on. All three are on teams that are currently contending for the playoffs, and only one of these players plays in the field. It looks like the Blue Jays have fallen off now, which basically says good-bye to Vernon Wells, so I think that the AL MVP <i>should</i> be decided by something other than power numbers or given to a pitcher.

God knows that Justin Morneau is not an MVP candidate, so why should two designated hitters with similar stats on equal teams?

RoXer
08-05-2006, 04:06 PM
OH MY GOD MIZ YOU WERE RIGHT

I didn't catch the name, but the guy who is doing the commentary with Joe Buck is the guy for the Angels.

"From his nose to his toes, Big Daddy Vladdy is one happy player"



...... :|

RoXer
08-05-2006, 04:07 PM
Rex Huddler

RoXer
08-05-2006, 04:25 PM
"From his nose to his toes, he's the best Joe, east and west, thats how Vladdy goes"

McLegend
08-05-2006, 04:50 PM
:y:

Booing Santa Claus = class
hahah
It happened in the 60's. Let it go.

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 05:35 PM
Lol, just settled on the Toronto and White Sox game on WGN, the first thing I hear:

"Like I predicted before the season, all five of these starters could have as many as 15 wins"

These announcers are so awful to begin with, and now they are lowering the standards. At least Glaus just jacked a big one to deep center, shutting up the announcers for a second.

The Jays have a chance to be a spoiler to as many as four teams, yet they choose this time to start falling off.

The Miz
08-05-2006, 08:09 PM
OK so since Morneau is 8th in OPS and Ortiz and Thome are 3rd and 4th that means they ¨don´t deserve the MVP because of Morneau¨? I don´t get that logic, I agree Morneau is incredibly overlooked by the media, moreso than Travis Hafner, but those guys have better (not by a wide margin) stats and at this point anyway are more deserving of the MVP.

The Miz
08-05-2006, 08:17 PM
ROFLLL Rangers walk Vlad 4 times (3 intentional) to end that stupid 44 game hittign streak he has against them that the Halos commentators never shut up about. Plus, Bartolo Shrek Colon out for the year. Greatest day of all time

RoXer
08-05-2006, 08:19 PM
I heard "figgy" twice before I shut it off.

The Miz
08-05-2006, 08:23 PM
I think when Figgins hit one of his like 2 career home runs, and Hudler said ¨Get Figgy With It!¨, that was probably the closest The Miz ever came to suicide.

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 09:07 PM
OK so since Morneau is 8th in OPS and Ortiz and Thome are 3rd and 4th that means they ¨don´t deserve the MVP because of Morneau¨? I don´t get that logic, I agree Morneau is incredibly overlooked by the media, moreso than Travis Hafner, but those guys have better (not by a wide margin) stats and at this point anyway are more deserving of the MVP.

The big thing going against any DH getting the MVP is just that, that they are the DH. If a DH is going to win the MVP, it is pretty well accepted that they have to be considerably better than other players, who help their team by batting and fielding everyday. Justin Morneau has more RBIs, a considerably better average, has been a very consistant fielder, and plays on a team equal, if not better (based on the past month) than Chicago. So because Thome has more HR, a better OPS and a glove that is filling with dust, he deserves to be the MVP?

I don't think OPS and HR's should be the deciding factor in an MVP race. If somebody on a lesser offense drives in more runs while hitting less home runs and a lower OPS, he is the more valuable player. Morneau is having a great year, but like the Miz said when I posted this the first time, I don't think he is the most valuable player in the league.

I am indifferent if Ortiz's numbers are warranting of an MVP consideration at this point, but I do think that he does more to win games for the Red Sox than Thome does for the White Sox. He drives in more runs for a lesser offense, statistically. I just don't think home runs and OPS should be a reason to win MVP when you have the second best offense in the majors, meat.

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 09:08 PM
¨Get Figgy With It!¨

BCWWF
08-05-2006, 09:26 PM
OK, honestly now, I know people will hate me for this, but why not Jeter for MVP? Sure, he is overrated, but he is also hitting .352 with 67 RBI, 74 runs, 24 stolen bases, .426 OBP, and is one of the better defensive players at his position. His stats, for a No. 2 hitter, are pretty good, yes, but that's not all.

Think about the Yankees. They have absolutely no right to be where they are right now. Throw the payroll out the window, because some of the highest paid players are not playing. Gary Sheffield has been their best player for the past two seasons, OUT. Hideki Matsui has been as consistant of a 5-hitter as you can get, OUT. Johnny Damon was out for a big chunk of the year, Robinson Cano has been on the DL, and Whateverthehellhisnameis Wang is their No. 2 pitcher. Then, Alex Rodriguez has been merely average this season, as has Damon, Posada, Williams, hell, everybody but maybe Giambi's power numbers.

You can't say he doesn't deserve it because the front office made bad moves. You can't say he doesn't deserve it because his teammates are injured or not performing either. That is because through all of this, through how shitty the Yankees are, or should be, they are leading their division and Jeter has been great.

I don't honestly think he will get it, or even get serious consideration for it, but right now his team team is statistically worse than the Red Sox and the White Sox, yet they are above them in the standings.

ct2k
08-05-2006, 10:04 PM
Jeter is having his best year since 1999 no doubt, mvp? no, but tbh i couldn't say who is right now.

I think the thing with us is when guys like ARod and Giambi are in a slump, another couple of guys will jump in and produce, Jorge Posada or Bernie Williams say. We have so many guys that can produce that even when our top run producers are out, we find a way to win. Even friggin Miguel Cairo will come through when the going gets tough.

SammyG
08-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Dodgers 8 game winning streak baby! Back in it!

The Miz
08-05-2006, 10:15 PM
RBI is a baaaaaaaaad stat. I agree that for an award like MVP, you can´t just look at the guy with the highest OPS and give it to him. Gotta be the guy who would make the biggest difference in a playoff team making it or not. I don´t agree with the DH bias because not playing defense is not that big a deal to me.

I wouldn´t vote for Jeter because I think Giambi has been more important to the Yankees

ct2k
08-05-2006, 10:19 PM
For a guy hitting .250 Giambi has been phenomenal this year.

tbh i;d love to see Vernon Wells get AL mvp, but that obviously won't happen. Morneau plays in Minnesota, that automatically dismisses him. Hafner won't get it because Cleveland have sucked so much.

It's gonna be between Ortiz and Thome unfortunately, Derek Jeter is 2nd in the order there's no way he'll win it, and Giambi is Giambi, nuf said.

Joey Slugs
08-06-2006, 12:27 AM
RBI is a baaaaaaaaad stat.

This is why I have so much love for you.

Joey Slugs
08-06-2006, 12:43 AM
Any votes for Joe Mauer? (These stats are for you Miz)

.365(1)/.442(1)/.524(12)

.320 EqA
6.3 WARP
68 EqR
38 BRAR
</pre>

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 01:17 AM
Mauer has the batting average, but Morneau is having a better season right now.

The Miz
08-06-2006, 01:28 AM
lol poor stima, got to watch Javy GIDP with the bases loaded in a 3 run game vs. the Eggs :(

FakeLaser
08-06-2006, 02:17 AM
Jeter is definitely going to get a lot of MVP votes.

The Miz
08-06-2006, 03:51 AM
Tim McCarver will stuff the ballot box

weather vane
08-06-2006, 05:27 AM
David Ortiz MVP

no matter what way you look at it

he will win

Skippord
08-06-2006, 07:05 AM
Rockiezzzzzzzzzz

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 02:21 PM
I think a lot of it will have to do with who makes the playoffs, or in Vernon Wells case, if his team is at least close to contending, he might have a shot.

Evil Vito
08-06-2006, 02:28 PM
<font color=goldenrod>I don't think the MVP should be based on his team period. If you are one of the best players in the league, you should be eligible for MVP, even if the rest of your team sucks balls.</font>

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 03:06 PM
Well if Ortiz's team sucked balls he wouldn't have 107 RBI or whatever he has, and that is the biggest thing he has going for him.

ct2k
08-06-2006, 03:12 PM
Well put it this way, i think the Jays would miss Wells a hell of a lot more than Boston would miss Ortiz

FakeLaser
08-06-2006, 04:01 PM
Ortiz and Pujols are your MVPs, pretty obvious here.

SammyG
08-06-2006, 04:11 PM
9 in a row for LA. What you know about dat?

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 04:12 PM
Batting Average
Hafner: .306
Thome: .298
Ortiz: .291

On Base Percentage
Hafner: .430
Thome: .416
Ortiz: .395

Slugging Percentage
Hafner: .641
Thome: .627
Ortiz: .627

On Base + Slugging Percentage
Hafner: 1.071
Thome: 1.044
Ortiz: 1.022

Doubles:
Hafner: 24
Ortiz: 21
Thome: 15

Strikeouts:
Hafner: 89
Ortiz: 90
Thome: 105

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Therefore, based only on individual batting statistics that are minimally affected by teammates, Travis Hafner is overwhelmingly the best hitter in the American League this season.

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Runs Batted In
Ortiz: 108
Hafner: 94
Thome: 83

Runs:
Oritz: 83
Hafner: 81
Thome: 81

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The statistics that are directly correlated to teammates, and also the ones that are probably most noteworthy among MVP voters, are very, very even among the three.

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Average
White Sox: .286
Red Sox: .283
Indians: .283

Runs Batted In
White Sox: 597
Red Sox: 575
Indians: 568

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These stats, as well as most others, show that offensively speaking, both the Red Sox and the White Sox have a better all-around offense.

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So, is there any other reason why Hafner should not be the unanimous MVP other than the fact that his team is not in contention?

ct2k
08-06-2006, 04:14 PM
Yeah, he's not David Ortiz:roll:

Evil Vito
08-06-2006, 04:38 PM
<font color=goldenrod>I wouldn't say Pujols is a lock to win...Beltran's making a serious run at it. Still think it goes to Pujols though, cause

A) Without Pujols the Cards wouldn't survive, and
B) Beltran can't hit a lick at his own home stadium it seems</font>

SammyG
08-06-2006, 04:49 PM
Fuck, give the MVP to Wilson Betemit.

ct2k
08-06-2006, 05:04 PM
I find the MVP a bit confusing tbh, its supposed to be the most valuable player but i dunno. For example:

One season Manny Ramirez has a monster year: 50 HR, 150 RBI, .340 BA etc, Red Sox win the AL east by a good 10 games...

BUT the line-up is fantastic from 1-9, defensively they're solid, the pitching staff is fantastic, great rotation and bullpen. In otherwords they've had the total package and probably would've been right up there contending with another outfielder instead of Manny.


Vernon Wells goes 40 HR, 120 RBI, .320 and does a gold-glove job in Center. The team is solid, they've had a few problems getting reliable 4th and 5th starters and their usual #2 and #5 guys have been injured for most of the season. The Jays end up about 11 games back of Boston and just get edged out of the wildcard on the last day.

Who gets the MVP?

I obviously say Wells, but Manny would get it purely for the massive numbers and 1st place finish.

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 05:07 PM
Gonna repost this, since it was the last post of the last page.


Batting Average
Hafner: .306
Thome: .298
Ortiz: .291

On Base Percentage
Hafner: .430
Thome: .416
Ortiz: .395

Slugging Percentage
Hafner: .641
Thome: .627
Ortiz: .627

On Base + Slugging Percentage
Hafner: 1.071
Thome: 1.044
Ortiz: 1.022

Doubles:
Hafner: 24
Ortiz: 21
Thome: 15

Strikeouts:
Hafner: 89
Ortiz: 90
Thome: 105

---------------------------------------

Therefore, based only on individual batting statistics that are minimally affected by teammates, Travis Hafner is overwhelmingly the best hitter in the American League this season.

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Runs Batted In
Ortiz: 108
Hafner: 94
Thome: 83

Runs:
Oritz: 83
Hafner: 81
Thome: 81

---------------------------------------

The statistics that are directly correlated to teammates, and also the ones that are probably most noteworthy among MVP voters, are very, very even among the three.

---------------------------------------

Average
White Sox: .286
Red Sox: .283
Indians: .283

Runs Batted In
White Sox: 597
Red Sox: 575
Indians: 568

---------------------------------------

These stats, as well as most others, show that offensively speaking, both the Red Sox and the White Sox have a better all-around offense.

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So, is there any other reason why Hafner should not be the unanimous MVP other than the fact that his team is not in contention?

FakeLaser
08-06-2006, 05:49 PM
Hafner just doesn't get the love that Ortiz does, despite being better. It's not fair, but I feel like Ortiz is almost a lock for AL MVP.

ct2k
08-06-2006, 06:01 PM
Hafner is also on one of the worst teams in the AL.

Also, 2 game lead:cool: Jaret Wright produced the goods tonight, 6 IP only 1 ER:y:

BCWWF
08-06-2006, 07:52 PM
Lol, on Sports Center.

David Ortiz, he the MVP. Is there any debate?

Then they bring up Jeter, who they play off, and finish off with...

His numbers are just so dominant.

That's the whole point. Unless home runs is the only stat that matters, Ortiz is not far and away the most dominant player in the league.

The Miz
08-07-2006, 10:44 AM
CLUTCHNESS FACTOR

Greg Norton > David Ortiz

ct2k
08-07-2006, 11:35 AM
Everytime Ortiz hits a home run its plastered allover MLB.com:rant:

The Miz
08-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Anyone wanna bet Gertner has made his last post in this thread?

jays aren't gonna fade.

ct2k
08-07-2006, 12:07 PM
He meant next year:roll:

Ruby
08-07-2006, 01:09 PM
Ortiz will win the MVP this year primarily because of the fact he lost it last year. Oh and his numbers are awesome again.

DaveWadding
08-07-2006, 02:02 PM
D'Backs get:
SP Livan Hernandez

Nats get:
RHP Garrett Mock (AA)
LHP Matt Chico (AA)

Ruby
08-07-2006, 02:07 PM
Mr Wadding, could you post some info or stats on these two prospects?

ct2k
08-07-2006, 02:53 PM
Hernandez is a bit of a workhorse (by today's standards) if nothing else

Joey Slugs
08-07-2006, 03:04 PM
CLUTCHNESS FACTOR

Greg Norton > David Ortiz

I'm so sick of all this clutch hitter bullshit. If there was EVER a clutch hitter it was Mark Grace.

If you take his WinEx number (win expectation): 5.56 and subtract from that the Leveraged MLV (Marginal Lineup Value) Wins: 1.79, you get a "clutch" score of 3.77

Meaning that, over his career, he accounted for almost 4 more wins per season for his team. All just by being able to hit in the late innings.

There... "clutch" by the numbers.

Joey Slugs
08-07-2006, 03:18 PM
Comeback Player of the Year candidates are:

AL
Magglio Ordonez - Tigers
Frank Thomas - A's
Jim Thome - White Sox
Curt Schilling - Red Sox
Corey Patterson - Orioles
Rafael Soriano - Mariners

NL
Nomar Garciaparra - Dodgers
Johnny Estrada - Diamondbacks
Carlos Beltran - Mets
Scott Rolen - Cardinals
Joe Borowski - Marlins
Edgar Renteria - Braves

ct2k
08-07-2006, 03:20 PM
Nomahh

OssMan
08-07-2006, 03:25 PM
Wow I wonder who is gonna win

ct2k
08-07-2006, 03:31 PM
If Curt Schilling wins it i'll kill 4 red sox fans, you heard me, FOUR

BCWWF
08-07-2006, 03:37 PM
It will be Nomar and Thome, and if it's not there is something wrong.

DaveWadding
08-07-2006, 03:55 PM
Mr Wadding, could you post some info or stats on these two prospects?

Mock, a 23-year-old righthander, was a third-round pick out of Houston in 2004. He has more than enough stuff, starting with a 91-95 mph four-seam fastball and an 88-92 mph cutter. He also throws a slider, curveball and changeup. For all his stuff, Mock has been hittable as a pro because he leaves too many pitches over the plate. Working at Double-A Tennessee this year, he has gone 4-8, 4.95 in 23 starts. He has a 117-50 K-BB ratio, .280 opponent average and 14 homers allowed in 131 innings.

His WHIP is 1.48.

Chico, a 23-year-old lefty, was a third-rounder after flunking out of Palomar (Calif.) JC in 2003. After bombing in Double-A last year, he has bounced back with a strong 2006. In 23 starts between high Class A Lancaster and Tennessee, he has gone 10-6, 2.81. He also has a 112-32 K-BB ratio in 131 innings and has held hitters to a .222 average and 11 homers. Chico can hit 94 mph on the radar gun but pitches better in the low 90s. He also throws an average curveball and a changeup.

1.09 WHIP.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/262123.html

Evil Vito
08-07-2006, 03:56 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Dunno much about the Comeback award but if its fan voting Beltran will probably win.

Gotta question the Renteria nomination though. Any asshole can suck in Boston and then do great in the NL</fon>

BCWWF
08-07-2006, 06:41 PM
I never knew that MLB nominates people. That is kind of fucked up in my opinion, just like "Hey Edgar, you sucked last year for no reason, but now you're doing fine." Like it is one thing for a guy like Nomar, because he is coming back from an injury plagues two years, not a bad season. And like Jason Giambi, how they would nominate him? WTF

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-07-2006, 06:56 PM
Well atleast I saw one win in person, also fucking Javy Lopez hitting into a double play to end the game with the bases loaded = :| Could have very easily been a sweep but instead Red Sox walk out with only 1 win in 3 games. Pretty bad.

It was cowbell night on Friday and only way you could get one for free was if you had a Tampa Bay shirt on. I thought it was a pretty cool idea at first since they where trying to counter all the Red Sox fans there but it got pretty annoying after like 3 innings. I had a pretty good time there, it can't even touch Fenway atmosphere wise but I thought it was still pretty good. Watching the game in the dome looks lot better than it does on TV as well, so that was good. Got to sit in seats that would be 80 bucks in Fenway for 35, can't really complain.

BCWWF you were so wrong about not wanting to witness a game there, it was pretty nice. Plus I don't really blame them for having a dome now, it rained everyday for like an hour. That'd probably get pretty annoying have 1 hour rain delays like every single game.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-07-2006, 06:58 PM
Wow that pic got all stretched out but that was my reaction after seeing Javy Lopez ground out :| :|

Also, everyone loved my shirt. Another thing that Tropicana needs, bootleggers outside of the stadium selling slander t-shirts.

FakeLaser
08-07-2006, 07:01 PM
Thome and Beltran for me. If Nomahhhh managed to stay off the DL I think I'd give it to him over Beltran but yeah. Beltran deserves it after rebounding off of a Reggie Sanders type of season.

Team Sheep
08-07-2006, 07:03 PM
Lol a few people had cowbells when I was there a couple of weeks ago, wondered why. And yeah, it does look 10 times better there live.

Team Sheep
08-07-2006, 07:04 PM
Carlos Beltran. :love:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-07-2006, 07:11 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is the only part of the vaction I am gonna admit to actaully happening

Also the Gulf of Mexico is the greatest shit ever

Ruby
08-07-2006, 07:12 PM
Maglio and Nomar

second choices: Patterson and Rolen

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-07-2006, 07:17 PM
What are you talking about? Excuse him for playing with emotion, he didn´t ¨flip out¨. Playing in a game like that with all the adrenaline flowing I don´t blame him. And the bases weren´t loaded, first base was open with Nick ¨5 hits in the last 2 months¨ Swisher on deck and it was obviously intentional. Not to mention he´d homered the previous two games vs. them, including a game winner. If doing what he did makes him a fag then Curt Schilling is by far the biggest homosexual in the history of the universe.

"When you get hit in the hand and you feel like it's broken, you react," said Payton, who will have X-rays taken. "The anger was more toward the fact my hand might be broken. I know [Shields] is a good guy."

YEAH MAN IS THIS KID SERIOUSYou sure? Coulda sworn the bases loaded and run got walked in. Maybe he got hit to load the bases or something, if that's the case that's different. I thought the bases where already loaded when he got hit.

Team Sheep
08-07-2006, 07:23 PM
http://i1.tinypic.com/23wlmw1.jpg

Yey Tropicana.

SammyG
08-07-2006, 08:29 PM
Dodgers goin for 10 in a row tonight.

YOUR Hero
08-07-2006, 10:02 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Toronto Blue Jays are coming to get 'ya.

YOUR Hero
08-07-2006, 10:02 PM
2 in a row!

BCWWF
08-08-2006, 12:51 AM
Really, I want to say that they are lucky, that they get the breaks, that they are going to break down, that the loss was because of our mistakes, but I just can't. Everytime we lose to the Tigers, I have to acknowledge that they are one helluva good baseball team. Taking more than one game against Detroit is nearly impossible. I can't even say these things about the White Sox of last year, I really don't think they were as good.

SammyG
08-08-2006, 02:25 AM
Kent is back!! 10 in a row baby. You know how we do.

CNM
08-08-2006, 02:49 AM
Dodger-show!

BCWWF
08-08-2006, 02:58 AM
Looks like Liriano might be out for a while. That delivery was bound to mess him up at some point. Now Matt Garza, who started the year in A, is our hope for another decent pitcher.

BCWWF
08-08-2006, 02:59 AM
To clarify, Garza has been tearing the shit up in the minors, hence his progression to AAA. I expect him to be a more than decent pitcher in his career, but maybe not so much if they call him up this season.

ct2k
08-08-2006, 11:17 AM
Liriano is gone?:mad:


Goddamnit, who am i gonna find so cheap but so awesome on fantasy mlb now? I already have Verlander ffs!

The Miz
08-08-2006, 01:17 PM
Frank Thomas is the comeback player of the year IMO. Hasn't played at all in 3 years and the A's would probably be in last without him (currently in 1st)

The Miz
08-08-2006, 01:30 PM
You sure? Coulda sworn the bases loaded and run got walked in. Maybe he got hit to load the bases or something, if that's the case that's different. I thought the bases where already loaded when he got hit.

Oakland - Top of 8th
S Shields relieved K Escobar
M Ellis walked
J Kendall singled to right, M Ellis to third
M Kotsay singled to right, M Ellis scored, J Kendall to second
J Kendall to third, M Kotsay to second on wild pitch by S Shields
E Chavez struck out swinging
Frank Thomas struck out swinging
J Payton hit by pitch
N Swisher struck out looking

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-08-2006, 01:46 PM
Oh then that is understandable, coulda sworn the dude said he got with the bases loaded in a one run game.

BCWWF
08-08-2006, 03:21 PM
Miz, can you do me a favor and e-mail Scoop Jackson some stats for me?

ct2k
08-08-2006, 03:47 PM
Scoop Jackson, i thought he was a basketball journalist and shit

dablackguy
08-08-2006, 03:58 PM
Looks like Liriano might be out for a while. That delivery was bound to mess him up at some point.

They say he's going on the 15 day with a forearm injury. Which compared to what ESPN had been MISreporting most of the day (elbow) is not so bad

BCWWF
08-08-2006, 10:50 PM
Hopefully. Huge win tonight thought, Radke has been real solid in the past weeks. A Santana win tomorrow would be so huge. Also, Yankees are up on Chicago in the ninth and Kansas City is up on Boston in the seventh. Hope this holds out.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2006, 12:05 AM
Nice Red Sox lose to the Royals :y:

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 12:14 AM
<font color=goldenrod>Piazza's return was fucking amazing

Got like 5 standing O's</font>

OssMan
08-09-2006, 02:06 AM
Dang, white sox announcers made me accidentally root for the yankees a couple times

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2006, 02:09 AM
PUT IT ON THE BOARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Not gonna lie though, probably have used that a few times while playing beer pong

Still think the worst is the dude from the Yankees CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC-YA! Shut the fuck up

OssMan
08-09-2006, 02:11 AM
THERES A LINE DRIVE PAULY YES

HE-GONE

MERCY

OssMan
08-09-2006, 02:13 AM
PUT IT ON THE BOARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Not gonna lie though, probably have used that a few times while playing beer pong

Still think the worst is the dude from the Yankees CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC-YA! Shut the fuck upfuck the worst thing about that guy is how after he says that, he says who hit it and the score right afterwards in the same style every single time.

see ya!
a three run home run! for jason giambi!
and the yankees lead 7 to 2!

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2006, 02:15 AM
lol yup then the fucking siren goes off too I think.

SammyG
08-09-2006, 02:27 AM
Yup. and then the Dodgers win their 11th straight.

Loose Cannon
08-09-2006, 01:22 PM
fuck the worst thing about that guy is how after he says that, he says who hit it and the score right afterwards in the same style every single time.

see ya!
a three run home run! for jason giambi!
and the yankees lead 7 to 2!

That's the greatest delivery of all-time, followed by

The Yankees Win!!!!, The Yankees Win!!!!! Thaaaaaa Yankees Win!!!!

:'(

Loose Cannon
08-09-2006, 01:23 PM
Michael Kay is the see ya guy btw.

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 01:56 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, the Yankees announcers (both radio and TV) are terrible. The Mets' are the shit though. Gary Cohen's "AND IT'S OUTTA HERE!!!" is class

NY sports talk radio blows ass though. Mike and the Mad Dog are fucking morons...and the only reason I listen to them are because I'm at the point where I laugh at their idiotic comments. The only other option is listening to Stephen A. Smith's NY show on ESPN radio, and I hate Stephen A.</font>

BCWWF
08-09-2006, 02:07 PM
He gone.

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 03:07 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Now Mad Dog is just ripping Paul Lo Duca because he was caught cheating on his wife with a 19 year old.

Sure, it's not right...but fuck's sake, stop prying into the guy's personal life. I'm willing to bet at least 75% of athletes have cheated at some point...but of course, because he's a New York athlete the leeching New York media pounced on it.</font> :roll:

OssMan
08-09-2006, 03:49 PM
http://static.flickr.com/47/168338657_004d782bee_o.jpg

The Miz
08-09-2006, 03:54 PM
LOL. PAULIEEEEEEEEEE

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 03:58 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Mets fans probably gonna give Paulie a standing O tonight. He deserves it...he's been by far the hottest player on the team and his personal business is no one else's business

I managed to find her myspace though....she's a Yankees, Jets, and Rangers fan. Poor choice Paul</font> :(

RoXer
08-09-2006, 06:09 PM
Top 8th - Rangers 14 A's 0

FakeLaser
08-09-2006, 06:43 PM
http://static.flickr.com/47/168338657_004d782bee_o.jpg
lol, she looks almost exactly like this friend of mine who I have GOTTEN WITH. She is a huge whore too, coincidentally.

FakeLaser
08-09-2006, 06:47 PM
On an unrelated note, pretty amazing play by Ryan Freel last night.

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 08:16 PM
<font color=goldenrod>LOL Mike Piazza just hit a solo shot and got a standing ovation.....they even made him come out for the curtain call</font> :love:

OssMan
08-09-2006, 08:46 PM
Just hit another one

Evil Vito
08-09-2006, 09:52 PM
<font color=goldenrod>*wonders if Billy Wagner will ever get a 1-2-3 save*</font>

SammyG
08-09-2006, 10:15 PM
12 in a row tonight.

Joey Slugs
08-09-2006, 10:56 PM
LOL Mike Piazza just hit a solo shot and got a standing ovation.....they even made him come out for the curtain call :love:

Same thing happened to Frank Thomas when he came back here for the first time and hit a HR in his first at bat. We were going nuts. Then he hit his second of the night and got booed. Go figure.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-09-2006, 11:37 PM
lol just read a story about Dave Roberts on CBSSportsLine and how he still gets letters from Red Sox fans thanking him for stealing the base. I didn't even realize he had 0 ABs in the World Series, pretty crazy. I guess some fan sent him a base and Roberts signed it with the date he stole the base, that seems like a pretty cool idea I might actually do that so I add to it to my "sports hallway"

BCWWF
08-09-2006, 11:44 PM
WOW. Zumaya walks Mauer, but then owns Cuddyer with his gas. You can tell he is getting going, then Morneau comes up and BANG. First pitch just drills his 30th home run into right field to win the game. Amazing.

Now it's Silva, Garza and Boof against the Blue Jays, but at least it's the Blue Jays right?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-10-2006, 12:02 AM
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk sac fly in the bottom of the 9th......Papelbonnnnnnnnn :(

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-10-2006, 12:04 AM
uhhhhhhh just lost to the fucking Royals.....Really starting to lose faith here

BCWWF
08-10-2006, 12:25 AM
Wait, you lost again?

FakeLaser
08-10-2006, 01:47 AM
YANKEES

FakeLaser
08-10-2006, 01:48 AM
Going to the stadium on Tuesday vs. Baltimore

OssMan
08-10-2006, 01:53 AM
going to RFK on friday vs METS

SammyG
08-10-2006, 03:13 AM
Meh, 11 in a row was sweet.

Joey Slugs
08-10-2006, 03:27 AM
YANKEES

almost blew it.

ct2k
08-10-2006, 12:51 PM
But didn't:cool: Fuckin Bobby Abreu has been solid gold for us so far, good to have Cano back as well:y: Lets hope Mussina can carry on doin what he's done all year tonight, Vazquez was good in his last start but i dunno, he's hardly been consistent the last few years since he was with us.

BCWWF
08-10-2006, 01:35 PM
There was a stat in our paper today...

Last season, White Sox record when scoring four runs or less: 31-32
This season, White Sox record when scoring four runs or less: 16-30
(Numbers may vary, but you get the point)

The AL picture could be changed quite a bit in the next week or two, and what I primarily mean is that if the White Sox slip up, they will fall out of it. They basically need to win tonight, because next up is three games with Detroit, four with Kansas City, and then 10 straight games against either the Twins or the Tigers.

FakeLaser
08-10-2006, 02:07 PM
We have kind of been owning everybody lately.

ct2k
08-10-2006, 02:27 PM
We've not got an easy month ahead:-\

BCWWF
08-10-2006, 02:57 PM
Yankees:
Angels
Orioles
Red Sox
Mariners
Angels
Tigers

Red Sox:
Orioles
Tigers
Yankees
Angels
Mariners
A's

White Sox:
Tigers
Royals
Twins
Tigers
Twins
Devil Rays

Twins:
Blue Jays
Indians
White Sox
Orioles
White Sox
Royals

So all four have a pretty tough end of the month. Realistically I think at least one of these teams will have falled 4+ games back by September, by the looks of the schedules Boston and Chicago look to be in for the hardest.

The Miz
08-10-2006, 07:46 PM
Wow, I just realized how truly awful Cleveland have been this year. One series win since May

Ruby
08-10-2006, 08:43 PM
Wow, I just realized how truly awful Cleveland have been this year. One series win since May
Still feel Hafner's more valuable than Ortiz?

The Miz
08-10-2006, 08:46 PM
Better, not more valuable. Not Hafner's fault the team sucks. I never said he was more valuable

Ruby
08-10-2006, 09:42 PM
Fair point.

BCWWF
08-10-2006, 11:05 PM
There was a stat in the newspaper today that said something like Ortiz has had 18 walk-off opportunities this season. Of those eighteen, he got on base 15 times and ended the game seven. The numbers might be slightly off, but the point gets across. Clutch.

Ruby
08-10-2006, 11:17 PM
BCWWF, your Twins didn't fare too well tonight against the Jays. I caught a bit of that game on TV and they were shut down tonight. Are the Twins in a slump right now or are the Jays just that good?

The Miz
08-10-2006, 11:55 PM
I just realized how retarded the MLB "seeding" is. Like how the team with the best record plays the team with the worst record not in their division. So say Detroit had 110 wins, Oakland and New York had 100, and Minnesota sneaks in with like 85; Detroit would have to play NY/OAK. I don't know when they invented this rule, probably because they didn't want Yankees/Red Sox in the first round but it's pretty gay. Every other sport it's best vs. worst, second-best vs. second-worst, etc.

The Miz
08-11-2006, 12:12 AM
lol even though they just swept the Red Sox the Royals are seriously the worst team ever. How do you score 2 runs from 9 doubles and a homer?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-11-2006, 12:14 AM
Well NBA used to have the 4 division winners be the top 4 seeds in the playoffs, even if another team from a different division had a better record. They are changing that up for the upcoming season though because the Mavs and Spurs ended up playing in the 2nd round of the playoff this past season because of it.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-11-2006, 12:15 AM
Also I didn't watch any of the Red Sox game tonight, I saw that new Will Ferrel movie. Looks like I made the right choice :-\

BCWWF
08-11-2006, 12:26 AM
On Tuesday night, I was telling my friends how cool it would be if the Royals pulled what they did a few years ago, where they randomly swept the Yankees. In all honesty I was hoping the Royals could maybe win one game, but that was huge. Now the Yankees are within one run, maybe keep the wildcard lead for another day.

I didn't see any of the game tonight, but from what I can gather things broke down for Silva in the sixth or seventh and the offense was never really there, although Morneau missed an opportunity. We'll hopefully take 2 of 3 though.

YOUR Hero
08-11-2006, 09:45 AM
Jays will sweep the Twins.

YOUR Hero
08-11-2006, 09:47 AM
In fact the Jays will not lose another game all year.

The Miz
08-11-2006, 10:26 AM
Chacin: 10.13 ERA in four AAA rehab starts :(

Gertner
08-11-2006, 10:44 AM
Lilly finally pitches good on the road. Hell froze over

ct2k
08-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Errors cost us the game vs the Sox last night but it could be worse, Boston getting swept by KC = ouch:-\

The Outlaw
08-11-2006, 03:25 PM
Lilly finally pitches good on the road. Hell froze over

LOL found your way back I see...

The Miz
08-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Indians designate Guillermo Mota for assignment

Damn that Paul DePodesta for trading him and two other mediocre players for one of the best starters in the NL! Ned Colleti 4 life!

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-11-2006, 06:11 PM
I wonder if the Red Sox will be interested, can't be much worse than Tavarez/Seanez

The Miz
08-11-2006, 06:27 PM
I'd think after realizing how rare it is for a successful NL middle reliever to succeed in the AL (IE: Tavarez and Seanez), the Red Sox would try something different

FakeLaser
08-11-2006, 07:14 PM
You'd think that, but it will probably happen.

Or the Yankees will pick him up.

YOUR Hero
08-11-2006, 10:52 PM
August 11 and AJ Burnett wins his first road game of the season.

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 12:58 AM
I barely watched the game tonight (on TV at a restuarant) but the Jays should sweep the Twins, unless Boof comes out. I was really hoping that Garza would be one of those guys who comes up and dominates right off the bat, but he's got some more work. I think he throws too many fastballs, and he will enjoy a spot in the bullpen with Matt Guerrier replacing Liriano for now.

As for the White Sox, I think they might be back. If they can get through this next stretch of theirs on top or close to the top, the Twins and Red Sox can play for second place.

Joey Slugs
08-12-2006, 01:44 AM
As for the White Sox, I think they might be back. If they can get through this next stretch of theirs on top or close to the top, the Twins and Red Sox can play for second place.

:y:

OssMan
08-12-2006, 02:57 AM
AHAH i went to see the mets do batting practice today and i went to like the front row right near the plate and after like 30 minutes Tim Kurkjian walked out and started talking to david wright, then he started walking over near us and this guy yelled "the mets going all the way?" and Tim Kurkian just put his arms up like "i dont know!" with his eyes really wide. plus he is like 5 foot 4 LOL

ct2k
08-12-2006, 06:09 AM
I dunno about the White Sox quite yet, Contreras is only one guy, the other 4 potential 15 game-winners have to come through too, Garcia and Beurhle have both been pretty rocky recently and Garland is coming off a horrible start too.


Apparently Sheff is spending batting practice at 1st right now to get a feel for the position. There's talk of him and Giambi possibly splitting time between DH and 1B next year.

I know Sheffield is expensive but man, he's such a great weapon to have if he's healthy, hell he produced 35 HR 120 RBI with a wrecked shoulder in 2004. Plus imagine:

C Posada
1B/DH Sheffield
1B/DH Giambi
2B Cano
SS Jeter
3B Rodriguez
RF Abreu
CF Damon
LF Matsui


With Cairo, Williams, Phillips and Wilson on the bench?!

Man that'd be ridiculous

:drool:

The Miz
08-12-2006, 10:09 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/442831p-372983c.html

LOL. I wonder who has been to more Madonna concerts, Carl or Ozzie?

ct2k
08-12-2006, 11:56 AM
No excuse for him to make those kinda remarks as it obviously puts heat on him, but really who was the twat heckling him? Its a rule in America i guess, you can dish it out forever, especially to a famous person, but them being famous means them doing anything in retaliation is totally uncalled for and worthy of compensation:|

Loose Cannon
08-12-2006, 12:40 PM
I forgot Pavano was a Yankee

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 02:27 PM
Put Houston (or maybe Colorado) in the AL West division. If it were Houston then that's all that needs doing. That way you've got 6 divisions with 5 teams each. You'd also then have 15 NL and AL teams. If it were Colorado then move Houston into the the NL west division to once again even things out.
Don't you guys think there should be some sort of fun-schway in the divisions like that?

The Miz
08-12-2006, 02:31 PM
15 teams in each league leaves 2 teams (1 in each league) without a team to play

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 02:57 PM
each other.

interleague right thurrr

The Miz
08-12-2006, 02:58 PM
If you're going to do that, what's the point of having two different leagues?

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 03:13 PM
Lol, it always gets me when people complain about the AL West/NL Central. Isn't is obvious why they do it? Unless they are planning to expand interleague, which would be a giant mistake in my opinion.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-12-2006, 03:18 PM
Well what is the point of having two different leagues anyway? Teams that never play each other unless they make it to the World Series is pretty weird when you think about. (well before interleague but still) I never really understood why baseball was like that. I am sure it is because thats how it was back in 1901 when MLB started but they probably rode a horse and buggy to the games back then too, things change.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-12-2006, 03:19 PM
I only legit complaint I see about the divisions is that the Rangers are in the AL West, kinda unfair since the rest of the AL West teams are in a different timezone.

The Miz
08-12-2006, 03:22 PM
Vladimir Guerrero has got to be the worst baserunner I've ever seen. Seriously, this isn't just Angel hate. Got thrown out at third by 10 miles by Abreu earlier this game and just got picked off by Posada (!) on second base, LOL. He has ridiculous hitting talent but I don't remember seeing an Angel game this year where they haven't been hurt by Vlad's poor/lazy baserunning and defense

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 03:38 PM
I think that having two completely seperate leagues is what makes baseball awesome. Like the NBA and NHL, the two conferences are basically useless. If you are playing every team in the league, why not seed it like the NCAA Tournament instead of splitting it into two arbitrary conferences. That way, maybe you could get a decent NBA Championship instead of Western Conference Finals.

If you think about it, if MLB increased interleague play, you would probably only have like four series' per year with your division rivals. Right now, I believe you have a home and home series with the other divisions, 18 interleague games, and plenty of room to make the divisions worthwhile. I personally don't care if the Twins never get to play the Mets, the Braves, the Dodgers, the Cardinals, any of those teams. Baseball is the only league in which the two leagues are actually different, and that is what makes the World Series cool.

Of course you might guess that my favorite league system(s) are the European soccer leagues. Every country has a league and an important league championship, but then there are also international tournaments, the Champions League and the UEFA Cup, for all of the best teams in each league. I think having multiple titles you can win makes the season more exciting while also keeping a major title.

ct2k
08-12-2006, 04:00 PM
Anyone know what happened to Jaret Wright?

The Miz
08-12-2006, 05:01 PM
Manny with a walk-off?!?!? I thought only Ortiz was allowed to hit those! SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME

ct2k
08-12-2006, 05:05 PM
Manny > Ortiz

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-12-2006, 06:20 PM
Nah Ortiz is a career .306 hitter, after the 7th inning when the Red Sox are down by 3 runs and their is 2 outs Ortiz is a career .306 hitter

The Miz
08-12-2006, 06:31 PM
Yeah but Manny hits 1.000 in extra innings of home games vs. Baltimore with no outs men on 1st and 2nd against Bruce Chen. Ortiz hits .000 in those situations :roll:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-12-2006, 06:47 PM
Manny is really good too, I agree

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 06:59 PM
They walked Ortiz. His OBP in the situation you mentioned is 1.000

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 06:59 PM
I'd take that on a weekend.

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 07:06 PM
Twins need to salvage the week with a win tonight. Here we go Boof, pull something out.

The Miz
08-12-2006, 07:12 PM
They walked Ortiz. His OBP in the situation you mentioned is 1.000

Nice try Hero, but there was only a runner on first when Ortiz walked. He sucks. Get over it.

RoXer
08-12-2006, 07:19 PM
Also, I had the idea to put the Expos in the AL West in Las Vegas and to put Philly and Pittsburgh in the same division. They're in the same state, why can't they be in the same division? That way, 5 teams in each division.

But then someone pointed out the odd number teams in each league. :o

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 07:36 PM
I had my own idea, but with keeping the 16-14. I wanted to swap Milwaukee and Kansas City. I had a few reasons for this.

Milwaukee is five hours from the Twin Cities and about two hours from Chicago. The Cubs already have the rivalry going with St. Louis, so Milwaukee is just this team in a prime location but without a good rival. Both the White Sox and Twins fans are close enough that it makes Milwaukee a legitimate place to go for a road game. I know fans do follow the Twins there during interleague, but going to Chicago or KC is just too far.

The reasoning for Kansas City, they remind me of a National League team, and their park seems like a National League park. Moreso, the I-70 rivalry between St. Louis and Kansas City is a lot more legit than any of the other teams Kansas City plays right now.

The Miz
08-12-2006, 07:39 PM
The reasoning for Kansas City, they remind me of a National League team

lol yeah, cuz they're bad

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 08:51 PM
I think they should make it so pitchers have to hit in the AL as well. I also think there should still be a DH in not only the AL, but in the NL.

BCWWF
08-12-2006, 08:55 PM
I like having major rule changes to differentiate the leagues. Why not make the foul pole a home run in one league and a foul ball in the other.

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 09:03 PM
Or in the AL the outfiled is only 225 feet MAX away, whereas in the NL it's no less than 500.

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 09:35 PM
Twins hit into their 6th double play of the game :cool:

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 09:36 PM
Game over. in 3 games, the Twins score a grand total of 1 run VS the Jays. My prediction continues to hold true.

The Miz
08-12-2006, 09:49 PM
You know whats funny, if you use Gertner logic, the best pitcher in the American League BY FAR is...







































Joe Blanton!!

Tied for 2nd in the league with wins, while pitching for the worst offense in baseball. ERA is closer to 5 than 4, but that's irrelevant

YOUR Hero
08-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Vladimir Guerrero has got to be the worst baserunner I've ever seen. Seriously, this isn't just Angel hate. Got thrown out at third by 10 miles by Abreu earlier this game and just got picked off by Posada (!) on second base, LOL. He has ridiculous hitting talent but I don't remember seeing an Angel game this year where they haven't been hurt by Vlad's poor/lazy baserunning and defense

He was safe on the Posada play. BUTTTTTTT, he's a horrible runner period. I mean we're talking about a guy that had stole 30+ bases, but he's just so awkward.

BCWWF
08-13-2006, 02:17 AM
The Twins offense just looked pitiful against the Jays. Bonser had a really decent start too, two earned runs in six innings. C'MON!

Joey Slugs
08-13-2006, 02:39 AM
White Sox win again.

SammyG
08-13-2006, 02:51 AM
Dodgers win again.

The Outlaw
08-13-2006, 02:59 AM
I think they should make it so pitchers have to hit in the AL as well. I also think there should still be a DH in not only the AL, but in the NL.

So, pitchers should have to hit, but still a DH? Like...you could have a real good defensive player but if he sucked at the plate have an Ortiz/Hafner/Thome hit for him? Hmm I dunno

YOUR Hero
08-13-2006, 10:01 AM
No, every defensive player still bats, including the pitcher. There just happens to be a DH as well.

Joey Slugs
08-13-2006, 11:32 AM
No, every defensive player still bats, including the pitcher. There just happens to be a DH as well.
10 man lineup? And how in the holy hell will there be a DH if the pitcher is batting?

OssMan
08-13-2006, 12:41 PM
I believe the DH is currently allowed to hit for any player on the field, but I don't think it's ever happened.

RoXer
08-13-2006, 12:45 PM
He was joking guys.

The Miz
08-13-2006, 01:16 PM
I believe the DH is currently allowed to hit for any player on the field, but I don't think it's ever happened.

No. Pitcher only

ct2k
08-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Miz you better have a good explanation for why Chone Figgins just homered off Wang:|

ct2k
08-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Fuck he's getting killed, 3 runs in, bases loaded

The Miz
08-13-2006, 01:25 PM
Don't worry, Vlad will get picked off third or started running the opposite way around the bases

K nevermind Curtis Pride GIDP'ed LOL why is this guy in their lineup?

ct2k
08-13-2006, 01:27 PM
Maybe he's from the Bronx

The Miz
08-13-2006, 02:01 PM
Nice start by Luke Hudson today.

0.1 IP, 8 H, 10 ER, 3 BB, K, HR (Travis Hafner grand slam)

11-0 Cleveland after 1 :(

BCWWF
08-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Maybe the Twins could go after this Curtis Pride guy. We could use another guy who is good at GIDPing. Any stats on which teams have done it most this season? Twins have got to be up there.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-13-2006, 02:19 PM
wow 10 ER in 1/3 of a inning? Sure that helped his ERA

BCWWF
08-13-2006, 02:20 PM
HE GONE.

The Miz
08-13-2006, 02:21 PM
I dunno, he's on the Royals so it might have lowered it

The Miz
08-13-2006, 02:23 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&statSet1=2&groupByTeam=true&checkBoxTotal=0&section1=1&Submit=Submit&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2006&sortByStat=GDP

You're right BCWWF, Twins lead. 117 GIDPs in 116 games :eek:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-13-2006, 02:32 PM
"Who woulda thought that when the Red Sox signed Edgar Renteria for 4 years 40 million he'd be better at grounding into doubleplays than turning them" - some guy on WEEI's 'Whiner Line' (prob the greatest thing on radio)

Sorry I just like bashing Edgar Renteria whenever I can

btw Mike Lowell grandslam nukkas

RoXer
08-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Devil Rays
Mariners
Rangers
Royals

What a wonderful couple of games for the A's.

The Miz
08-13-2006, 05:17 PM
This is the time for them to pull away. Angels are in the middle of a ridiculous road trip. If it's still a race in a week or two A's are in trouble because of 7 of the last 10 games being vs. LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-13-2006, 05:20 PM
lol I said the samething about the Red Sox schedule (Tampa, KC and Baltimore) but that didn't really work out. Atleast they are bout to sweep The O's

The Miz
08-13-2006, 07:51 PM
Following a popout in the fifth today against the Marlins, Eric Byrnes snapped his bat pounding it into the ground and a piece came up and hit catcher Miguel Olivo in the face.


lol, only Eric Byrnes

RoXer
08-14-2006, 12:07 AM
Yeah I was watching that. Looked like it got him in the eye. Fucking clown. :D

SammyG
08-14-2006, 12:39 AM
Dodgers

Joey Slugs
08-14-2006, 01:57 AM
Another White Sox win. 5.5 back.

BCWWF
08-14-2006, 02:01 AM
Jeez, if the White Sox get hot in this streak then everybody better watch out.

SammyG
08-14-2006, 02:06 AM
WTF, why isn't ANYONE showing the Dodgers some love here? They have won 15 out of their last 16!!!!!! Don't make me stab anyone.

BCWWF
08-14-2006, 02:41 AM
I voted for the Rockies on ESPN.com poll. Only because I like the Rockies, not because I think they will win.

Gertner
08-14-2006, 12:47 PM
You know whats funny, if you use Gertner logic, the best pitcher in the American League BY FAR is...







































Joe Blanton!!

Tied for 2nd in the league with wins, while pitching for the worst offense in baseball. ERA is closer to 5 than 4, but that's irrelevant

It's Roy Halladay :)

ct2k
08-14-2006, 12:52 PM
It's Chien Ming Wang:)


This guy knows both bible AND baseball:y:

Jesus Shuttlesworth
08-14-2006, 04:54 PM
WTF, why isn't ANYONE showing the Dodgers some love here? They have won 15 out of their last 16!!!!!! Don't make me stab anyone.
Because nobody cares about the NL West