MLB 2006 Season Thread

[Joey Slugs]

I would say that the rumors are true...

ESPN Breaking News:

Abreu Appears Headed to the Bronx (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2534459)

The Yankees and Phillies reached a tentative deal Sunday that will send Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle to New York for three minor-league players. The Yankees will also pick up Abreu's contract in full.

[ct2k]

Its not like we can't afford it eh

[Joey Slugs]

Its not like we can't afford it eh

That's the one thing I will always hate... the Yankees ability to just "buy" a player whenever they need to. Can't fault them for that, but I don't have to like it.

[The Miz]

Uhhh they have to give up prospects

[ct2k]

Nah to be honest i think it sucks that teams like us, the Red Sox etc can do that but eh, aslong as the MLB aren't doing anything about it there's no reason for us to stop.

Also, Derek Jeter is on fire, this year right now looks like being better than even 1999 for him, hitting .356 as of today, OBP well over .400 and over 60 batted in now:y:

[The Miz]

Yankees get:
OF Bobby Abreu
SP Cory Lidle

Phillies get:
RP Matt Smith (AAA)
SS C.J. Henry (A)
C Jesus Sanchez (Rk)
SP Carlos Monasterio (Rk)

Phillies obviously more interested in dumping salary than getting top prospects

[dablackguy]

That's the one thing I will always hate... the Yankees ability to just "buy" a player whenever they need to. Can't fault them for that, but I don't have to like it.


I wholeheartly agree. I don't knock them at all for trying to improve their team, but at some point it gets to be ridiculous. Sheffield is supposed to be back in September and when he does, either he or Abreu DH's, the other plays right and Bernie and the like become expensive bench ornaments. Before anyone tells me that its not that big of a deal, explain to me how many teams in baseball can throw a million dollars at a player and say, 'ok, you're gonna be a part time player,'

Whether people acknowledge it or not, having one team have so much more money than the competition hurts competitive balance. Yes, the Red Sox have a ton of money. Yes, the Mets have a ton of money too, but let's face it, if Jose Reyes went down until September, I can say for certain that the Mets arent bringing in Miguel Tejada to replace him. Same with the Sox, if Manny goes down for 5 weeks, we're not seeing them bring in Soriano as a 5 week stop gap. The only reason this deal got done was because the Yankees have the money to pay off the contracts, because if the Phillies were looking for talent either in ML ready players or in prospects, they could have gotten a much better deal elsewhere.

[Loose Cannon]

woooo Corey Lidle.

I love that guy

He's the man in August. Watch out

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, imagine if every Yankee was healthy right now

C: Posada
1B: Giambi
2B: Cano
SS: Jeter
3B: Rodriguez
LF: Matsui
CF: Damon
RF: Abreu
DH: Sheffield

Fucking scary to even think about</font>

[ct2k]

Good lord


Whats the betting Lidle has a spectacularly bad spell with the Yanks?

[Joey Slugs]

Damn, imagine if every Yankee was healthy right now

C: Posada
1B: Giambi
2B: Cano
SS: Jeter
3B: Rodriguez
LF: Matsui
CF: Damon
RF: Abreu
DH: Sheffield

Fucking scary to even think about

With a lineup like that... they still won't make the playoffs.

[ct2k]

Not unless we get some consistent pitching beyond Mussina and Wang no

Mussina = 7 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 8 SO:y:

[The Miz]

Well if ther postseason started today they'd be in so I guess having Matsui, Sheffield, and Cano healthy and Lidle on their team will make them worse somehow

[ct2k]

I dunno, i think we'll make it but thats hardly a certainty aslong as we're getting poor starts from 3 of our guys

[Joey Slugs]

Well if ther postseason started today they'd be in so I guess having Matsui, Sheffield, and Cano healthy and Lidle on their team will make them worse somehow

They are a half game behind the White Sox in the wildcard... so how in the world would they be in?

[ct2k]

As of this moment its a tie but the Sox are just about to beat the O's, the Yanks have a game in hand though:y:

[Joey Slugs]

Yankees might just have the WC lead back... O's tie it up in the 9th.

[The Miz]

Damn that Jenks, killing another win for one of the White Sox 5 potential 20 game winners

[ct2k]

Yeah what happened to that?

[ct2k]

All 5 have 9+ wins, but only Contreras has an ERA under 4, and the rest all have 4.80+, Vazquez and Garland both have 5+

Thats hardly dominating stuff:-\

[Joey Slugs]

Damn that Jenks, killing another win for one of the White Sox 5 potential 20 game winners

Funny, funny guy.

[FakeLaser]

I like this deal for us. Matt Smith is the only one I know about and he's ok. He'd never be anything more for us than a mediocre middle reliever. We didn't part with anybody of any value really and we're getting a great outfielder.

I doubt Lidle will be good but with the lack of decent starting pitching on the market right now he's worth a gamble. If anything he'll be another arm to eat innings. He's better than Ponson. We didn't give much up either. Why pay one of the mediocre free agents out there top dollar who might not even pitch well in NY when we can take a gamble on a mediocre pitcher for a couple of low level nothing prospects. Who knows we might be looking at another Chacon or Aaron Small. Looking at Lidle's career split stats, he's actually a pretty good pitcher after the break. I'm not counting on him or anything but yeah.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well before this trade I know the Yankees had something like 120 millon dollars set already on the 2009 payroll, while the Red Sox (2nd highest payroll) only had about 25 mill set. Eventually this big spending HAS to catch up with the Yanks you'd think, I mean I know they got the most money but their payroll was already 75 or so mil more than that of the Red Sox, eventually their payroll is gonna be double that

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well if ther postseason started today they'd be in so I guess having Matsui, Sheffield, and Cano healthy and Lidle on their team will make them worse somehow
They could still have those dudes and not make it though, I don't think the WC is coming out of the AL East this year so whoever wins the division will be the only one going.

[FakeLaser]

Well, next year Sheffield will be off the books and Mussina will be back at a reduced rate so they payroll will stay about the same.

[FakeLaser]

Then again we could pick up Sheffield's option next year and have him DH. I wouldn't be too surprised if we did that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What is Abrue's contract situation like?

I am just hopeful Lidle doesn't pull out some bullshit and pitch really good, I don't think he will since I am pretty sure he was ERA was in the high 4's (Think it 4.7something) in the NL so that shouldn't translate well. I am hopeful this hurts the Yankees more than anything, just another over priced player (Well depending on Abrue's contract, I'd assume hes got a pretty big deal)

[FakeLaser]

I think Abreu makes about 14 million a year.

Lidle's ERA in August and September are 3.56 and 3.40 for his career. He pitched in the AL for a number of years as well and Philly is a terrible park to pitch in so there's a chance that he'll pitch decently.

[dablackguy]

Well, next year Sheffield will be off the books and Mussina will be back at a reduced rate so they payroll will stay about the same.


Have you seen the season Mussina is having? He could very easily win 17 or 18 games, and with the state of pitching in baseball, if he doesn't come back for similar money, he'll probably get big money elsewhere, pitching is a premium in this age of baseball

[FakeLaser]

Have you seen the season Mussina is having? He could very easily win 17 or 18 games, and with the state of pitching in baseball, if he doesn't come back for similar money, he'll probably get big money elsewhere, pitching is a premium in this age of baseball
While that might be true, his age will probably be a factor in the decision. He wants to stay a Yankee so I don't know if they'll be quick to pick up his option. Then again with the crop of free agent pitchers available this offseason they will probably end up picking it up anyway.

[dablackguy]

Well before this trade I know the Yankees had something like 120 millon dollars set already on the 2009 payroll, while the Red Sox (2nd highest payroll) only had about 25 mill set. Eventually this big spending HAS to catch up with the Yanks you'd think, I mean I know they got the most money but their payroll was already 75 or so mil more than that of the Red Sox, eventually their payroll is gonna be double that


It kinda has, they're a very old team. I could see a senario one year where the injuries are even worse than this year, say Giambi, Posada, Johnson or even Rivera. And if some of the guys get old and hurt, you're limited in what you can do. In a couple of years, you can't move a 37 year old Giambi, for example, with 18 mil coming to him without paying for most of it. And you can't give another younger guy that kinda of money without clearing money unless you absolutely have no regard for your money spent and intend to possibly lose money

[dablackguy]

You basically get to a point where if the older players you have a lot invested in don't perform and are injured, you're eventually going to get screwed having so much locked up in only a few people

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It kinda has, they're a very old team. I could see a senario one year where the injuries are even worse than this year, say Giambi, Posada, Johnson or even Rivera. And if some of the guys get old and hurt, you're limited in what you can do. In a couple of years, you can't move a 37 year old Giambi, for example, with 18 mil coming to him without paying for most of it. And you can't give another younger guy that kinda of money without clearing money unless you absolutely have no regard for your money spent and intend to possibly lose money
That's what I mean. I don't know exactly who has contracts running until 2009, but I'd assume it is some of the older guys but than again it could be guys like Jeter, A-Rod, Cano will all still be probably playing "up to snuff" 3 years down the road.

[The Miz]

They could still have those dudes and not make it though, I don't think the WC is coming out of the AL East this year so whoever wins the division will be the only one going.

What I'm saying is Joey Slugs is acting like it's some fact a current playoff team won't make the playoffs once they get 3 of their best hitters and a new pitcher back

[The Miz]

Signed through 09

Jeter
Rodriguez
Damon
Matsui

All will be 35 (ARod 32), obviously they will tail off but I don't see any of these guys being Sammy Sosa 2005 by that time

[dablackguy]

I'm not entirely sure, but the following I know for sure/would suspect are under contract in 2009:

Jeter
Rodriguez
Cano (?)
Damon (last year)
Matsui (I'm not sure about)
I'm trying to find what Giambi has left on his deal, but I'm struggling to do so, any ideas anyone?

[The Miz]

And Giambi has had like a .440 OBP at least every year of his career basically. You don't just lose that ability like you do power. And with the way he pumps the HGH he's a safe bet to be productive at 37

[FakeLaser]

If Lidle pitches decently I think we have a really good shot at winning it all. The bullpen is coming around and we most definitely have the offense (especially with Cano, Matsui and Sheff coming back). Mussina and Wang have been awesome. Johnson has his good days and his terrible days. Wright hasn't been that bad, he's had a couple of bad starts that make his numbers look worse than they are (though opponents are batting .301 off of him).

If Lidle pitches like Chacon did last season we have a solid 3 with Johnson (who is capable of brilliance) and Wright holding down the back end serviceably. We'll have fresh arms in the pen in Chacon and Ponson (though I feel like Ponson might get DFA) who would probably pitch better facing batters once. Villone has been good, Proctor and Farnsworth have been lights out lately, Myers has done his job and Rivera is Rivera. Our pitching really isn't as bad as people lead on, what are we, like 4th in the AL in ERA?

The more I think about it the more I really like this deal.

[The Miz]

Kevin Mench 3-4, HR, 4 RBI

lol Yeah National League WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[FakeLaser]

Had a feeling Mench would be a good pickup in the H2H.

[Joey Slugs]

What I'm saying is Joey Slugs is acting like it's some fact a current playoff team won't make the playoffs once they get 3 of their best hitters and a new pitcher back

You are acting like they are 100% going to make the playoffs. Still have 2 months to go... anything can happen.

[The Miz]

Yeah, Like The White Sox Having 5 20-Game Winners

[Joey Slugs]

Yeah, Like The White Sox Having 5 20-Game Winners
That was in spring training and I never said that they all would ACTUALLY win 20 games a piece. All 5 are solid starters and have the potential to knock out a 20 win season.

Simple as that and you try to be online funny with a witty comeback or two to show how much of a baseball brain you have.

Get off it dude, you're not amusing.

[Joey Slugs]

http://forums.operationsports.com/vBulletin/images/smilies/graemlins/duel.gif

[The Miz]

lol chill out. You made a ridiculous prediction and I'm just teasing you for it. Stima still makes fun of DaveWadding for football shit he said like 5 years ago.

Your exact quote was more like "What other team in baseball could possibly have 5 20 game winners this year?" implying that it was actually possible for that to happen

[Joey Slugs]

lol chill out. You made a ridiculous prediction and I'm just teasing you for it. Stima still makes fun of DaveWadding for football shit he said like 5 years ago.

Your exact quote was more like "What other team in baseball could possibly have 5 20 game winners this year?" implying that it was actually possible for that to happen

I'm fucking around. I know it was ridiculous in the first place (but you have to admit... it was a sick staff coming out of spring training).

I said it, so I pay for it. I know how it works.

Hence, the dueling smileys up top.

[The Miz]

HAHAH Milton Bradley walk-off 3-run home run off BJ Ryan. Excellent.

Toronto, how does it feel to be the first victims of THE HAWAIIAN PUNCH-OUT

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WHO'S NEXT

[The Miz]

Gertner will have nothing to say about the last 3 games but will probably make plenty of posts when Toronto beats the Devil Rays :y:

[YOUR Hero]

BJ! :'(

[ct2k]

So Schilling is getting destroyed, Vlad just hit a monster!

[YOUR Hero]

What a frustrating... well month it's been to be a Jays fan.

[The Miz]

At least Gustavo Chacin is better than Joe Blanton

[The Miz]

BTW LOL @ Schilling 3 jacks in one inning. Looks like God was taking the night off :'(

[Joey Slugs]

St. Louis gets:
2B Ronnie Belliard

Cleveland gets:
UI Hector Luna

And Boston placed Matt Clement on the 60 day DL.

[YOUR Hero]

It's a good trade for Texas IF they can resign Lee in the offseason, otherwise they gave up a ton.

I'm going to move this thread (later on) into the MLB thread. Give this new guy a chance to see this....

[YOUR Hero]

Yankess acquire Abreu and Lidle from the Phillies.

[YOUR Hero]

The Phillies get left-hander Matt Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7732/) and Class-A shortstop C.J. Henry -- a first-round draft pick in 2005. They also landed rookie league catcher Jesus Sanchez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5969/) and right-hander Carlos Monasterios.

[The Miz]

look back a page :o

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

BTW LOL @ Schilling 3 jacks in one inning. What do you expect? He can't come back from that ankle injury and be the same pitcher

haha but seriously this game sucks, they brought in Tavarez with the bases loaded so I just left the room.

LOL@Fenway booing Ben Affleck though, he had a chance to break up foul ball out since it went over the wall into the stands nut he got out-reached. They kept showing him afterwards and he looked so pissed off, I don't blame him tho if I got boo'd at Fenway I think a part of me would die.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL@Fenway booing Ben Affleck though, he had a chance to break up foul ball out since it went over the wall into the stands nut he got out-reached. They kept showing him afterwards and he looked so pissed off, I don't blame him tho if I got boo'd at Fenway I think a part of me would die.http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/BXF109073023_lower.jpg
Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat. Now, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you.

Greatest Movie Ever

[YOUR Hero]

If I was retired and could afford it, I'd travel around following Ben Affleck just to boo him.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Yeah I think he's been in one good movie and the only reason it was good was because he wasn't the main star, and it took place in Boston

Boston > Your favorite city

[The Miz]

Yeah man Boston!

[The Miz]

Red Sox get:
SS Julio Lugo

Devil Rays get:
2B Mark Loretta

hahahahaha suck it VEL hahahahahahaha

[YOUR Hero]

I was hoping Lugo would get picked up by the Jays tonight. Fuck.

[YOUR Hero]

... but he's (LUgo) looking for 10 mil a season. He's pretty good, but not *that* good... His wife beater ways will be a good fit in BeanTown

[The Miz]

Don't think JP is looking to buy at this point in the season tbh :meh:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

HOW U LIKE THEM APPLES

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Where are you seeing this trade for Loretta?

[The Miz]

Made it up

[The Miz]

nah jk. Being reported on Boston radio. I just posted it because I LOL'ed when thinking of VEL recieving the news

[The Miz]

http://rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=MLB&majteam=BOS

lol check out roto shitting on Francona for using Van Buren

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Red Sox picked up Bryan Corey from Texas for Luis Mendoza (Minor leaguer)

Don't know too much about Corey, has 2.60 ERA in 16 games with 13 K and 8 BB..."meh"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's amazing just how many runs the Red Sox have scored considering that Crisp, Mark Loretta and Trot Nixon start hitting like backup shortstops as soon as a man reaches second.

lol :(

[dablackguy]

The thing about Loretta is, even if he hit .320 he's overrated cause its a soft .320

He contributes no RBI hitting right behind a guy with a .400 on base percentage, he doesn't steal any bases and he's got no power at this stage of his career

If Tampa called and asked for Loretta in exchange for Lugo, you do whatever else they ask to get the deal done before they realize what the hell they're doing

I do think by 4pm tomorrow that Lugo will be a Red Sox though

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

nah jk. Being reported on Boston radio. I just posted it because I LOL'ed when thinking of VEL recieving the news
It seems like you are always hearing shit from Boston radio? How

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The thing about Loretta is, even if he hit .320 he's overrated cause its a soft .320

He contributes no RBI hitting right behind a guy with a .400 on base percentage, he doesn't steal any bases and he's got no power at this stage of his career
Yup, thats why I put more into RBI's than other people do. It seems like a lot of times RBIs just get written off because "that guy is on a good team and has more chances to bat someone in" I don't know, Loretta is batting behind Youk and he hasn't really been driving in shit while still hitting over .300.

[RP]

VEL may be dead. Does anyone know for sure?

[RP]

diabetes is a horrible thing.

[The Miz]

It seems like you are always hearing shit from Boston radio? How

lol nah I read Red Sox message boards where all the posters are talking about stuff they heard on radio

[The Miz]

Yup, thats why I put more into RBI's than other people do. It seems like a lot of times RBIs just get written off because "that guy is on a good team and has more chances to bat someone in" I don't know, Loretta is batting behind Youk and he hasn't really been driving in shit while still hitting over .300.

Well RBI is a terrible way to measure something like that. A better way would be that Loretta is hitting .270/.323./.279 with RISP. And singles hitters just dont drive in runs.

RBI is a shit stat because it's team dependent and uncomparable. You can't take two guys on diff teams with 39 RBIs and say "well these 2 have been equally good at driving runs in"

[YOUR Hero]

TB might make that trade because they can't afford Lugo. Although if they went to arbitration with him and lost, they be compensated a 1 rounder and a sandwich pick... if I understand the process properly.

[YOUR Hero]

DMI told me that VEL still talks to her via MSN or something. I should get a hold of him myself.

[The Miz]

Lugo's last arby year was 2005, they can't go to arbitration with him. He's a free agent this year. There are alot of teams interested in Lugo so I'd be surprised if Loretta was all they could get for him. Lugo is obviously gone from TB after this year so if say Boston signs him, TB will have their own first round pick, Boston's first round pick, and an additional pick at the end of the first round. It could be in the 2nd round though, depending on how Lugo's stats look at the end of the year and what free agent level they "class" him. I'm sure he'll be type A though becaue of how crappy SS are these days

[The Miz]

Reds get:
RP Rheal Cormier

Phillies get:
RP Justin Germano (AAA)

Decent rental for the Reds. Like to see that they plan on making it a race

[The Miz]

Tigers get:
1B Sean Casey

Pirates get:
RP Brian Rogers (AA)

Not a Casey fan. Big mistake by Detroit IMO. And it's being reported that Chris "8 home runs in the first 5 games" Shelton is being optioned to AAA :(

[Joey Slugs]

Wasn't Shelton the next Babe Ruth and a sure fire MVP? Funny how things work out like that.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Heard a possible Oswalt for Milledge/mediocre starter deal

God I hope that goes through...Oswalt's damn good and the Mets are in serious need of a power arm in the rotation</font>

[OssMan]

Cliff Floyd would beat the crap out of Oswalt every day

[The Miz]

Astros owner said there is no way Oswalt is traded. Coulda been just saying that but I dunno

I'd be surprised if Lidge was still a 'Stro in a few hours

[Joey Slugs]

Twins get:
RHP Zach Ward (A)

Reds get:
RHP Kyle Lohse

Lohse had been on the trading block for weeks after opening the season in the Minnesota rotation but losing his spot. With the Reds, he will have more opportunities to pitch as well as help a Cincinnati staff that has added six pitchers via trade since July 6. The Twins received an high-ceiling Class A pitching prospect in Ward.

[The Miz]

Dirty Sanchez out for the season. Uh oh. Minaya has 45 minutes to get a reliever :o

[Joey Slugs]

Rumored report of

Red Sox get:
OF Andruw Jones
LHP Will Startup (AAA)

Braves get:
OF Coco Crisp
LHP Jon Lester
RHP Craig Hansen

[The Miz]

lol yeah mad BS. No way Esptein even considers Lester AND Hansen for a year and a third of Jones

[Joey Slugs]

lol yeah mad BS. No way Esptein even considers Lester AND Hansen for a year and a third of Jones

Yeah, it'll never happen but the guys on MLB radio are going through what might happen right now.

I could be Hansen/Crisp/[prospect] for Jones/[pitching prospect] but Atlanta is asking for Lester with the deal.

That would bust the deal for me.

[The Miz]

Pirates get:
OF Xavier Nady

Mets get:
RP Roberto Hernandez
SP Oliver Perez (AAA)

Sorry X, you weren't hispanic enough. Congrats to Minaya for getting more crappy hispanic pitchers

[Joey Slugs]

Rangers get:
1B/DH Matt Stairs

Royals get:
RP Joselo Diaz (AAA)

[The Miz]

Padres get:
2B Todd Walker (will move to 3B)

Cubs get:
SP Jose Ceda (Rk)

Excellent upgrade for SD, their 3B were hitting a combined like .190. Didn't even have to give up a good prospect either

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I like Roberto and Perez is a decent enough pickup....see if he reverts to form in Norfolk

Losing Nady isn't a huge loss....he was good but I think you can get by with Chavez. #8 hitter anyway

But motherfuck @ Sanchez. Highly doubt a move for a starter is made in the next 15 minutes, so essentially the team got worse at the trade deadline</font>

[Joey Slugs]

<s>Cubs traded Todd Walker and cash to the Padres for a minor league pitcher.</s>

Thanks for that edit Miz.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Padres get:
P Heath Bell
P Oliver Perez

Mets get:
P Scott Linebrink

....or so I heard. Hope it's true</font>

[Joey Slugs]

Now we just wait til MLB oks all the pre-deadline faxes.

[OssMan]

TRADE DEADLINE

[The Miz]

Yankees get:
OF Craig Wilson

Pirates get:
SP Shawn Chacon

HAHAH OMFG Pittsburgh. What the FUCK. Worst deal EVER

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>-EDIT-

damn you Miz</font>

[Joey Slugs]

wow. HORRIBLE trade. they just gave Wilson to the Yanks.

[The Miz]

lol fuck the fuckin Yankees

C Posada
1B Wilson
2B Cano
3B Rodriguez
SS Jeter
LF Matsui
CF Damon
RF Abreu
DH Giambi

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cubs get:
SS Cesar Izturis

Dodgers get:
P Greg Maddux

....another rumored deal</font>

[Joey Slugs]

lol fuck the fuckin Yankees

C Posada
1B Wilson
2B Cano
3B Rodriguez
SS Jeter
LF Matsui
CF Damon
RF Abreu
DH Giambi

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

MLB Radio is reporting that Wilson will not be a starter. Just an expensive bench player.

[Joey Slugs]

Cubs get:
SS Cesar Izturis

Dodgers get:
P Greg Maddux

....another rumored deal

Nomar gets moved back over?

[The Miz]

lol what. Furcal plays short

Dodgers are idiots though. Good thing they fired DePodesta, apparently people with brains don't fit in in LA

[OssMan]

Nomar gets moved back over?Nah what, I thought Furcal was their shortstop

[Joey Slugs]

Nah what, I thought Furcal was their shortstop

Forgot about him. :nono:

[The Miz]

Rangers get:
SP Kip Wells

Pirates get:
RP Jesse Chavez (AAA)

So the Pirates today traded Oliver Perez, Craig Wilson, and Kip Wells and they came up with Xavier Nady and two scrubs. Awesome

[ct2k]

Jason Bay must be so pleased to be in such a happening team

[The Miz]

Dodgers get:
SS Julio Lugo

Devil Rays get:
OF Joel Guzman (AAA)
OF Sergio Pedroza (A)

Awesome deal for the Rays. And once again the Dodgers are dumbasses. Guzman is a stud

[Joey Slugs]

Lugo might be going to Boston now.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>ROFL Chris "Mad Dog" Russo is getting into a massive argument with Brian Cashman on live radio due to Russo completely downplaying Lidle/Wright/Farnsworth</font> :lol:

[Joey Slugs]

Nationals have released a statement saying that they have not traded Soriano and that they will try to resign him.

[ct2k]

Unlucky Florida

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Motherfucking shit fuck

Omar just confirmed Linebrink's still a Padre.

HOWEVER there is still a chance Duaner Sanchez can still return for the post-season.</font>

[FakeLaser]

We have totally raped 2 teams so far.

[FakeLaser]

The Pads would be retarded to trade Linebrink.

[FakeLaser]

Also, holy crap the Cubs infield sucks.

[ct2k]

The Cubs in general suck :-\

[The Miz]

But DaveWadding told me their pitching would lead them to the postseason :(

[ct2k]

So both sides of Chicago are making stupid pitching claims?

[FakeLaser]

Craig Wilson should probably start for us over Andy Phillips, at least until Sheffield comes back.

[Boomer]

HAHAAAAAAAAAA

JORGE SOSA IS A CARDINALLLLLL

YESSSSSS. MAKE THE BAD GUYS LOSE MOREEEEEEEEE.

[ct2k]

I wish Sheff wasn't so goddamn expensive

[Loose Cannon]

I think Joe Morgan secretly runs the Pirates.

[The Miz]

The Miz' Winners and Losers

WINNERS:
Yankees - two rapes
DRays - two excellent prsopects for Lugo
Reds - 2 decent pickups, showing an effort to stay in the race
Padres - huge 3B upgrade without giving up anything, kept Linebrink

LOSERS:
Red Sox - did nothing while the Yankees got better
Pirates - got nothing for 3 good players
Mets - got more crappy Latin pitchers
Nats - didn't trade Soriano
White Sox - needed a pitcher, didn't get one
Cubs - worst infield in baseball history
Angels - did nothing when they needed to do something
Dodgers - what a mess

ON THE FENCE:
Rangers - Lee is nice but will probably hurt them down the road, only mild pitching upgrades
A's - probably could've done something
Royals - picked up a nice prospect but the 2 guys they gave up have potential

[DaveWadding]

Izturis is an improvement over Ronny Cedeno Sucks.

Maddux obviously wanted to go, so, I mean I can't blame the guy at this point.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nice to see the Red Sox where active this year but atleast they didn't do something stupid and trade Lester for someone retarded. So now atleast if they don't make any noise in the playoffs this year they'll still have the future.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think San Diego getting Walker really fucked up anything they could have had going though, atleast that is the only thing I can think of.

[Dragon]

Wow, have to be happy with the two deals the Yanks made. They didn't address the bullpen but I'm sure getting rid of Chacon helps a bit with that. Sucks that Chacon fell so far off this season after he came off the DL though.

Wilson should definitely be starting over Phillips, at least until Matsui comes back. Does Wilson have solid defense or what though at first base? Haven't heard too much about his defense except that he can play 1st, OF and C.

The Yankees definitely have some roster moves to make, gonna be interesting to see who gets released or moved and whatnot. I dunno, can't wait until the Yanks next game on Tuesday to see how some of these pan out.

[dablackguy]

The Miz' Winners and Losers

WINNERS:
Yankees - two rapes
Because they can take on the money, not because they offered the best deal



Reds - 2 decent pickups, showing an effort to stay in the race
I wouldn't call Lohse with a 7 era a decent pickup and Cromier is eh, though he's having a good year



LOSERS:
Red Sox - did nothing while the Yankees got better
And why did they have to do anything? Last I checked they were in first place, they're not chasing anyone. What do they need another bat with Manny, Ortiz and Pena healthy? Did they need another starter with Clement and Wells having been hurt all year? Say what you want about Wells, but when healthy he wins, and wins big games. Schilling, Beckett, Wells, Wakefield and Lester isn't anything to scoff at
Pirates - got nothing for 3 good players
Do you mean Casey, whos been hurt most of the year? Or Wilson, whom they didn't have a position for? Or do you mean Kip Wells who hasn't really proved to be anything since he came back from the injury? There was limited calue on ALL of those players, they got prospects or an ML ready player(Nady, Chacon) hardly nothing

Mets - got more crappy Latin pitchers
HAHAHA Maybe you didn't know about the Sanchez injury that they needed an arm, or maybe you didn't think Oliver Perez had any talent, but Hernandez will help the bullpen for however long Sanchez is out. P.S Hernandez has an ERA under 3 the last season and a half and if Perez ever gets it together, watch out

Nats - didn't trade Soriano
Why did they have to? If they got crap offers and decide to keep him, what's the problem? If they don't resign him long term, then you have an argument

Cubs - worst infield in baseball history
I guess you're not aware of Derrek Lee (hurt) or Aramis Ramirez

Angels - did nothing when they needed to do something
Agreed

Dodgers - what a mess
Also agree, Lugo has a position until Kent and Garciaparra come back

Royals - picked up a nice prospect but the 2 guys they gave up have potential

Stairs is old and Affeldt was medicore, I disagree

Just my opinion though

[The Miz]

BOS- Just because you're in first place doesn't mean you don't need to make a deal. The Red Sox have not been better than the Yankees this year, just were better and beating up NL teams. The Yankees got two huge pickups and the Red Sox did nothing. They still don't have an ace pitcher and their bullpen sans Timlin and Papelbon stinks.

PIT- "good" wasn't the word I meant to use. Value was. Wilson was high on many teams list and Casey and Wells could've gotten alot more back than what they did. Wilson is the major fuckup here though, only getting Chacon is ridiculous. Wilson didn't have a position? Well he's better than all of the Pirates outfielders sans Bay and better than their first baseman. Their fault for not realizing what they had. And Chacon blows.

NYM- Hernandez is a total fluke. Perez I don't see bouncing back. Needed a quality pitcher, didn't get one.

WAS- They got excellent offers for Soriano, that's the point. I know for a fact LAAA was offering some of their top prospects.

CHC- Doesn't matter. Izturis is shite. And I meant middle infield, not infield. Izturis-Cedeno is unbelievably bad.

KC - lol I didn't mean Stairs as somebody who had potential. Was talking Affeldt and Bautista. Affeldt hasn't been great but he and Bautista obviously have good stuff and could turn it around, that's why I'm on the fence here

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Ortiz with another walkoff homer

Ortiz > Your mother

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also Kyle Snyder looked real good tonight in a long relief role, so we'll see where that goes. Everyone is busting a nut over all the dudes the Yankees got (understandable) but they already had the offense - today was a bit disappointing with no moves being made but I still got faith. On paper I'd give the nod to the Yanks, but that is why they play games

[dablackguy]

Was just coming to report that

How many clutch home runs must this man hit before they give him the MVP???

[The Miz]

Hafner > Ortiz

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah chill son

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

on the MVP thing, if Ortiz never wins it I won't be upset because I don't really see how an MVP can be a DH. If he does ever win the award tho, I'll obviously be happy about it.

[The Miz]

Here's a fun game, try to find something Ortiz is better than Hafner at (besides playing for ESPNs fave team)

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/league_leaders.jsp?c_id=mlb&section1=null&statSet1=null&sortByStat=RBI&statType=1&timeFrame=1&timeSubFrame=2006&baseballScope=AL&prevPage1=1&readBoxes=true&box1=XXXX120074bosD&box3=XXXX400098cleD&compare.x=18&compare.y=8

Why can't a DH win MVP? Award is for most valuable player. You can be the most valuable player without playing defense

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I guess it could be possible but a DH would have to put up monster stats probably to beat out another position player, unless their was only one other positional player with horrible defense or something. I'm not really too set on it anyways, since I really don't give a fuck who wins the MVP. Its just a bunch of personal opinions with the majority winning, doesn't really mean much to me.

Hafner and Ortiz has pretty similar stats, Ortiz with more total bases/HRs while Hafners OBP is a higher and his AVG is a bit higher as well.

:'( ESPN's favorite team

[The Miz]

lol yeah more HRs an TB cuz he has 30 more PAs. And still, Hafner's slugging is higher. Slugging % is a measure of TBs per AB. So yeah ok

SLG is a little higher and OBP is much higher. .40 points of OPS is a big difference. I guess Hafner just needs to work on his clutchiness or something

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well yeah some of Ortiz's numbers are lower than usual but I am confident he'll finish up around .300, he has the last 2 seasons. Hopefully he'll be able to figure out the shift they put on him eventually, he has shown improvement since the start of the season againest it.

I think they are pretty comparable players personally, apparently Hafner is a lot better than Ortiz though. Hear more about Ortiz since he actually plays in and delievers in games that matter, if Hafner was playing in games that actaully mattered, I am sure he'd be getting a lot more pub. right now.


Also you gotta stop taking things so seriously I say in here, I realize you are a huge baseball fan and love spitting out stats all day, but when I said "Nah chill son" I wasn't exactly serious in saying that Ortiz is better than Hafner, if Hafner played for the Red Sox and Ortiz didn't I'd probably be saying the same shit about Hafner.

I like watching walk offs though :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also Ortiz has a stolen base, and Hafner does not.

[The Miz]

lol quit with the VEL "put-words-in-my-mouth" tactic. Never said Hafner was a lot better than Ortiz. Obviously they're both top 5 hitters in the AL but it's clear who has been better this year.

I know you weren't completely serious, but I just wanted to spread some love for Hafner since I bet 99% of baseball fans would be shocked if you told them Hafner's stats are better than Ortiz'. And I don't blame them, it's a pretty well kept secret.

And where was Hafner's publicity when Cleveland contended last year?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol don't compare me to VEL when you say something like "Here's a fun game, try to find something Ortiz is better than Hafner at (besides playing for ESPNs fave team)"

That makes it sound like Ortiz can't touch Hafner or something. I don't know, I'd say right now Hafner has an edge in a few catagory but for a majority they are equal.

I started hearing about Hafner towards the end of last season, this year though I haven't heard shit. Probably East Coast bias againest Cleveland

[The Miz]

Has nothing to do with Ortiz not being able to touch Hafner. Just a simple fact that Ortiz has been better at nothing

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol yeah but when you say it like that, to me anyways, it seems like Hafner has dominated in every category, when that is not the case. So while what you are saying is true, it is just because they've been equal in a lot of catergories, with Hafner having a slight lead (.004 slugging) in a few catories then killing him on .OBP

But in fairness, Ortiz is going to get a lot more pitches to hit since they are not going to walk him to get to Manny so that could hurt his .OBP. I don't know who Hafner has behind him but I'd assume pitchers can be a lot more careful around him since they don't have to worry about who is behind him. Hafner could just possibly have a "better eye" but it is something to think about.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If Ortiz is able to figure out that piece of shit shift they use againest him, I think it'd be reversed and we'd be asking the question about Hafner. Unfortunately thats baseball though

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn. Apparently this deal was meant to go down:

Astros get: Tejada
Orioles get: Heilman, Milledge
Mets get: Oswalt

...and the O's are the ones who backed, claiming they want ML-ready players despite being far out of it. Thanks alot Baltimore :mad:

Anyways, I like Hernandez and I believe the Mets woulda tried to get him anyway. Obviously there were bigger pitchers on the agenda but as soon as Sanchez was proclaimed likely out for the year they had to shift focus. I also doubt the Pirates were originally asking Nady for Robo until after learning of the injury.</font>

[dablackguy]

Minaya was on FAN today and said that he didn't mention the Sanchez injury publicly until after the deal was made, for fear that the Pirates would hold him up for Hernandez

All and all, I think its fair. I mean, Nady was ok, but not spectacular and now Milledge gets to play everyday. And if Perez can work his issues out, then we got a solid starter and a bullpen arm for Nady, far more than he was worth

[OssMan]

Minaya was on FAN today and said that he didn't mention the Sanchez injury publicly until after the deal was made, for fear that the Pirates would hold him up for Hernandez

All and all, I think its fair. I mean, Nady was ok, but not spectacular and now Milledge gets to play everyday. And if Perez can work his issues out, then we got a solid starter and a bullpen arm for Nady, far more than he was worthmilledge gets to play every day? was he recalled?

[YOUR Hero]

Washinton could have gotten (it's reported) Erwin Santana from the Angels for Soriano. They felt it wasn't enough. To me that means the NAtionals really want to resign Soriano. They must feel pretty confident that they can.

[FakeLaser]

The Orioles could have gotten Ervin Santana and a prospect for Miguel Tejada also.

[dablackguy]

milledge gets to play every day? was he recalled?


Most Likely, he'll split time with Endy Chavez

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Orioles could have gotten Ervin Santana and a prospect for Miguel Tejada also.
Is that the trade that would have required Tejada to play 3rd and he didn't wanna play 3rd? Some guy came into my work telling me something like that, dunno how true it was or anything.

[dablackguy]

If that's true, that maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If anything Carbrera should have had to move and have to play third. He's Miguel fucking Tejada and hes one of the elite run producers in the game today

[The Miz]

He's also awful at shortstop.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh fuck, since Snyder pitched last night,the Red Sox brought up Johnson to pitch tonight..whyyyyyyyyy :(

[dablackguy]

He's also awful at shortstop.

Manny Ramirez is a mediocre outfielder but a hall of fame offensive player. Fair trade off I'd say. Same with Tejada, poor defensively, but the offensive production makes his defensive shortcomings well worth it

[The Miz]

Duh. That doesn't mean he shouldn't move to third. Who cares if he's Miguel "Fucking" Tejada, he should be willing to move if it helps the team. And it would, because Tejada sucks at SS and Cabrera has been one of the best. Tejada was never a team player anyway so it doesn't surprise me.

Fuck, even Cal Rpiken Jr., the most selfish player of all time, moved to 3B when he got too shitty at SS

[ct2k]

Tejada will produce no-matter what position he's at surely?

Infact isn't 3B a lot less demanding physically than SS?

He could do some more HGH and bulk up his 5 ft 9 frame some more, maybe get 50 jacks instead of 40!

Anyway, I'd far rather have Cabrera there. Also, A-Rod managed to move over 3B and not let his ego get in the way, granted he makes up for it with his press idiocy and occasionally defensive stinkers but yknow, he's just as good a run producer as Tejada and a far better SS.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

A-Rod would move to any position so he didn't upset anyone, he has been trying so hard to get "accepted" since he started playing for the Yankees its hilarious. The guy won the MVP and still worries about getting boo'd like what more can you do as a baseball player? Now he has let all that go to his head and has been playing Kevin Millar style defense out there.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If I was making 25 mil to play fucking baseball I'd laugh as the fans pissed on photos of myself and burned replica dolls in the stands. I really don't get how these guys let boos and shit get to them

[ct2k]

Like i said, media idiocy, he goes out there and fuels the Yankee Stadium boo's when he says stuff like "i'd boo me too", he should just play the game the best way he knows how and accept the fact that they'll probably boo him a) until we win another WS with him or b) until they find someone else to boo

[ct2k]

Jays/Yanks is Burnett vs Wright tonight, i predict a 16-14 win for us:y:

[The Miz]

Yeah A-Rod is pathetic. During the WBC when he tried to play for both US and DR because he didn't want to piss the fans of either country off, and ended up pissing off both, LOL. A-Rod's a pussy, when he got traded to the Yankees he woulda been awesome if he said "Jeter is like the worst SS ever and I am the greatest. DEREK JETER WE COMIN FOR YOU NIGGA"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Somebody just asked me if I could ever play for the Yankees, I really don't think I could. Like if I was good enough to play in the majors and all that, I could never play for them. That is how bad I hate them, I would write up a special condition in my contract saying I could never be traded to the Yankees.

Like it makes me sick to see that some little league teams around here are called The Yankees, like why do they need to use the Yankees? There is 32 teams in the majors, I don't there is 32 teams in the 8 year old little league.

The Lowell Spinners (Red Sox Single A team) started paying teams (well not with money, but new free uniforms) to get rid of the Yankee name on their little league team, I thought that was awesome.

[ct2k]

Stima by definition and geographical location are you not a 'yankee'?:p

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That is a word foriegners use to describe us apparently, I really don't care what a bunch of foriegners call me though.

I also have a Yankee Candle in my house too so I dunno, I am talkin 'bout the New York Yankees here.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also I think southerns call us Yankees too, since they are still fighting the Civil War (which they already lost)

[ct2k]

Yeah thats what i meant, North-East and stuff.

[The Miz]

lol yeah my little league team was the Yankees. There were 10 teams in the league and Yankees and Red Sox were team names every year but the other 8 changed. THE MIZ EXPERIENCED EAST COAST BIAS AS A 9 YEAR OLD BOY.

[ct2k]

Yknow the East Coast bias in the US is just the same as the London bias here, Anglo-America started in the North-East and spread out, everything of note can be found in he NE and is generally run from there, and additionally Baseball was also big there long before it made its way out east Beyond Chicago wasn't it?

[ct2k]

Although there isn't really a London bias in sports here as football has always been as huge around the country as anywhere else and the first teams also came from allover

[ct2k]

Seattle Starbucks


there must be a few of them around in the little leagues!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yknow the East Coast bias in the US is just the same as the London bias here, Anglo-America started in the North-East and spread out, everything of note can be found in he NE and is generally run from there, and additionally Baseball was also big there long before it made its way out east Beyond Chicago wasn't it?
Baseball is really the only sport where you hear a lot more about east coast teams compared to teams from other regions. Maybe basketball a little bit too but that is pretty tough to say due to teams like the LA Lakers and Spurs (recently) being everywhere.

People try to claim that there is a bias againest West Coast college football but I don't really see how that is at all. Seeing how college football isn't even that big on the east coast (No big time teams from anywhere in the Northeast) plus USC is everywherrrrrrre.

Really can't see one in the NFL, but I'm not surprised since the NFL is currently the best league in American professional sports.

[ct2k]

Didn't NFL get its start in the mid-west primarily anyway?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah the greatest team in the history of the NFL wasn't made a team until 1969 (YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 69)

[SammyG]

Fucking Dodgers. Retarded deals.

[Joey Slugs]

Somebody just asked me if I could ever play for the Yankees, I really don't think I could. Like if I was good enough to play in the majors and all that, I could never play for them. That is how bad I hate them, I would write up a special condition in my contract saying I could never be traded to the Yankees.


At one point it was rumored that Johnny Damon had just that type of clause in his contract when he first signed with Boston. See how far that got him.

I don't care what team it is, if the money is right... you will play.

If I didn't fuck up my arm and leg (and if I was good enough to make the majors), my dream was to play for the White Sox. I mean... come on... I grew up 2 blocks from old Comiskey Park. I was at nearly EVERY game from 85 til 95 ( my dad dropped our season tickets after the strike).

But if the money was there... I would of played for the Cubs. No matter what I thought about the team growing up.

It's easy to say what you would and wouldn't do now, but things are different when the offer is made.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I think if I was getting offered money by the Yankees I'd be getting a pretty good offer from others, even if a different of a few million I really couldn't play the Yankees. Any other team I would definetly play for, but I couldn't play for the Yankees. That is really how bad I hate them.

[The Miz]

What if you were a scrub pitcher like Aaron Small or Hideo Nomo that nobody except the Yankees wanted? Of course you'd take it. If the Red Sox or Angels were the only teams offering me a deal I'd take it. I'd probably deamnd a trade if gay ass Schilling was still on the team though. :cool:

K after typing that I kinda changed my mind. Playing in "the big A" in front of all those million of dumbfucks. The Angel broadcasters would call me something retarded like T-Las or Lassy. God I hate the fucking Angels

[The Miz]

Varitek out 4-6 weeks. Addition by subtraction IMO. Hasn't hit shit all year and his CS% is like 5

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I said this earlier but I think Veritek has been hurt all year, maybe if he rests up he could actaully come back and be 100%. That'd be nice if that actaully happened, we'll see though.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Went to a Double-A game in New Britian today. Binghamton Mets @ New Britian Rock Cats (Twins' AA team)

Rock Cats' starter Adam Harben was pretty shaky. He seemed to also throw exclusively offspeed stuff. He was touched for a long HR off of Jorge Padilla in the first.

The Rock Cats' best pitcher on the day was lefty Jay Sawatski...throwing pretty hard (mid-80's...faster than anyone else at least) and he mowed down the Binghamton hitters easily.

The MVP has to go to Mets starter Bryan Edwards though. 8 IP, 1 ER, 5 hits, 2 BB

It was also pretty sick seeing Carlos Gomez play. I've heard many rank him higher than Milledge. Mets won 5-1</font> :cool:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

My cousin was on the Binghamton Mets for a while, I haven't seen him for years though. Figures the one first cousin I have that I am not real close with is the one playing minor league baseball haha

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yup he's actaully on Binghamton right now. Slack, Centerfielder. He tore it up in college and was drafted in the 5th round so he's def got some potential I'd think.

Not doing shit this year though, so who knows.

[ct2k]

Fuck, Yanks are actually ahead by a hair in the East now, with 2 games in hand:y:

Also :eek: @ Jaret Wright going 5 with only 1ER, 100 pitches though

[The Miz]

Damn, if Boras can get 5/50 for that scrub Burnett imagine what he's gonna get for Zito this winter. Wouldn't be surprised to see 6/80 with NYM, NYY, BOS all desperately needing a starter.

[Loose Cannon]

Somebody just asked me if I could ever play for the Yankees, I really don't think I could. Like if I was good enough to play in the majors and all that, I could never play for them. That is how bad I hate them, I would write up a special condition in my contract saying I could never be traded to the Yankees.

Like it makes me sick to see that some little league teams around here are called The Yankees, like why do they need to use the Yankees? There is 32 teams in the majors, I don't there is 32 teams in the 8 year old little league.

The Lowell Spinners (Red Sox Single A team) started paying teams (well not with money, but new free uniforms) to get rid of the Yankee name on their little league team, I thought that was awesome.

haha, I was thinking about this the other day. Next year I'm going to be playing with the NABA (National Adult Baseball Association) here in Charlotte and 1 of the 8 teams is the Red Sox and they wear the Sox uniform. I was thinking that I would feel like a huge asshole wearing a Red Sox uniform for 7 months. I couldn't do it. And you know that's the team I'll get drafted to.

There was a Yankee team in my Little League and Babe Ruth League too.

[Loose Cannon]

Also I think southerns call us Yankees too, since they are still fighting the Civil War (which they already lost)

yep, everyone here in NC that is from here or the south calls me a Yankee.

[YOUR Hero]

AJ Burnett is hurt again. I'm sure that's what I heard.... I can't watch this guy pitch, he pisses me off so much.

[Evil Vito]

Yup he's actaully on Binghamton right now. Slack, Centerfielder. He tore it up in college and was drafted in the 5th round so he's def got some potential I'd think.

Not doing shit this year though, so who knows.

<font color=goldenrod>Ahh. He didn't play last night...but the name sounds familiar from somewhere. I think he got in some big league Spring Training games this year and I'm almost certain he was on the 40-Man Roster for like a week haha.</font>

[The Miz]

AJ Burnett is hurt again. I'm sure that's what I heard.... I can't watch this guy pitch, he pisses me off so much.

Again? Damn, with Chacin getting shelled in Triple A (gonna make another rehab start tonight) things just keep looking worse for Toronto pitching.

[ct2k]

Toronto had to fall off at some point, i guess its happening :-\

[The Miz]

jays aren't gonna fade
"yawn" another jays win over the red sox. what else is new
Casey Janssen with his first win of his career and looked damn good!
just face the facts that your A's and Blanton come in 2nd to my jays and King Gustav
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lol blanton has done shit all. ouch sophmore slump has hit

oh yeah and chacin has pitched so far against baltimore, yankees, boston and minny and he's 4-0. beat that
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lol btw remember how bad i got reamed for saying Gustavo Chacin was better than Joe Blanton?

Are you guys ready to apologise to me yet?
and blanton is 2-2 and chacin is undefeated
ouch 8-1 jays in the 6th. kinda sucks stima when you actually play good teams eh?

lol dying over here

[The Miz]

Too lazy to find the Gaudin quotes but those were the best. He's better than every Toronto starter not named Halladay or Lilly :lol:

[ct2k]

Thing is thats probably only 1/4 of the posts he's made blowing the Jays and dumping on the Yanks and Sox.

[DominateR]

Damn, out of all the things being talked about right now in here, not a single one mentions how many highlights the Detroit Tigers gave to FSN, ESPN, etc. last night:

* Carlos Guillen hits for his first career cycle, also the Tigers 1st cycle since 6/8/1, and their first against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays ever. Guillen becomes just the 10th Tiger to ever hit for the cycle.

* Rookie Justin Verlander is now 14-0 after last night's exciting victory (1 year and the guy comes in and thinks he owns the city! lol :p)

* Sean Casey picked up his first big league HR, as well as Brent Clevelen picked up his first AND second HR's in the big leagues. Welcome aboard, boys!

* Final Score was 10-4, with 10 runs on 18 hits and NO ERRORS(!) for Detroit, to Tampa Bay's 4 runs on 10 hits, no errors.

So Detroit fans have a lot to celebrate right now, not to mention they picked up win # 71, which is the same amount of wins as last year, and they are pretty much guaranteed to surpass that, I'd say by about 2 or 3 dozen games.

[Dragon]

Verlander isn't 14-0 (14-4) and Sean Casey has hit home runs before I would have to think. (unless you're just talking about for the Tigers)

[The Miz]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure the Tigers last cycle wasn't all the way back in the year 1

[ct2k]

Sean Casey hit his share of home-runs for the Reds if i remember correctly

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure the Tigers last cycle wasn't all the way back in the year 1

yes, when actual Tigers were playing the game

[The Miz]

Lowe-Soriano-Putz = greatest bullpen of all time. That's the only positive thing I will say about the Mariners the rest of the year

[FakeLaser]

3 walks this inning? What the hell are you doing Wang?

[The Miz]

Remember that time Harden faced Wang. I chuckled

[Ruby]

I don't think AJ Burnett is hurt.

[Boomer]

The Braves have quite an 8th 9th inning bullpen combo thanks to JS. I hope it stays this way.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

NICE pretty hot another walk off. Thought it was gonna be a walk off grandslam but it was off the Monster. Only saw the 9th inning since I just got home from work but nice thing to come home to.

[Dragon]

Great game by Wang. Eight scoreless innings and 18 straight scoreless innings now. He is up there with Moose as the most consistent this year in the rotation.

[Dragon]

LOL, wow. Knew Carmona would give up that game. Didn't he blow the game like 2 days ago or something to Boston? Maybe a couple days before but I know he just blew a game.

[The Miz]

jays aren't gonna fade.

[The Miz]

LOL @ Jeff Weaver getting shelled in the crap league. Now what's his excuse.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Dennis Eckersley is the man, after the game, he said how the Indians closer waspitching Doug Mirabelli like he was Babe Ruth in the bottom of the 9th.

[Dragon]

Looks like Utley will have one more chance today to extend his hitting streak.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

ROFL still watching the post game show, Eckersley is the greatest;

What is this guy doing? I guess the scouting report is to run on Coco Crip? He was out by a mile, he tags up at 2nd on a pop fly to center and Coco hits the cut off man. Seriously what was he thinking? You got a slow footed catcher trying to take 3rd on a pop fly with no outs, thats terrible baseball

[Dragon]

Crazy, beats out the throw to first on a bouncer to the pitcher. The pitcher looked the runner back at third and then threw to first too late, he was flying down the line though.

[McLegend]

WTF They called it a fielders Choice.

Talking about Chase Utley btw.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thats weak

Watch him get another 33 game streak now.

[Dragon]

They keep changing the call. The first had it up as a hit and the total hits for the Phils was 15, then they take it down and it was at 14. Then Ryan Howard gets a hit next and it goes up to 16 again. Did they actually count it as a hit or no?

[McLegend]

Nah They changed it back to a hit. So all is good right now.

[Dragon]

They just said he was awarded an infield hit.

[The Miz]

I'm not in America right now so I've been missing alot of baseball/Red Sox TV coverage but it seems like Utley isn't getting a lot of media attention for this? They were all over Rollins earlier this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah probably the East Coast bias

[The Miz]

When using that joke you could at least change it up and be creative in its presentation. Just a suggestion

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah my favorite team is the Boston Red Sox I can do whatever I want

[The Miz]

It sucks because you're actually funny and I know you can do better. Why you picked that statement to make fun of me for I don't really get since you agreed with me about big stories the last few years not getting as much coverage due to being on the west coast. It wouldn't take alot of searching to find something stupider that I said, "east-coast bias" is weaksauce

[The Miz]

*wekasauce

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I just think its funny because I don't think the bias has anything to do with location, i'll agree there is some type of bias but I don't think its like east coast teams recieve way more attention than west coast teams, but maybe I am just a disgruntled college football fan since USC and Pete Carroll has been shoved down my throat for the last few years

lol they were just interviewing Manny Delcarmen in the clubhouse and you could clearly hearly the word nigga said like 3 times in a Ludacris song, I'd put money on it that the radio was in Ramirez's locker

[The Miz]

You don't notice it because you live in Boston, do you think the thousands of people from Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA, Phoenix etc. are just making it up? I don't even talk about the "coast" thing, that's BCWWF, just that the Red Sox and Yankees get ridiculous amounts of unnecessary coverage and then there's a 30 second clip of an A's/Angels game who are within a game of eachother for first place. And you know what sTiMa34, if you don't agree, let's see what the greatest superstar in pro wrestling history has to say about it

[THE YETI]

*REVERSE BEARHUG TO STIMA34*

[The Miz]

OMFG LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE YETI

[DaveWadding]

OH MY GOD IT'S THE YET-AY!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yeah thats what I mean though, they are probably on TV all the time but I don't think it is beacuse of location. Having no coverage about Utley pretty much proves that as well. Baseball is pretty gay in that regard though, I don't really notice anything like this in other sports. (Except for USC, we get it, Reggie Bush is really good)

Some guy claimed the East Coast bias somehow made the Steelers the Superbowl champs (Might have actually been right here, ON TPWW!!!! WOO) but that guy probably didn't watch too much NFL that year, refs making terrible calls all season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Look at that, he caught the ball rolled over 3 times then hit it out with his own knee. Definetly not an interception, Manning doens't throw those.

[The Miz]

The Yeti is a Pirate fan FYI

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah they got a nice stadium

[Dragon]

crazy slide by A-Rod in the game earlier

We have Lidle going tomorrow, hopefully that goes well.

[FakeLaser]

Wang is the man.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol wow just saw Jay Payton's reaction to getting hit with the bases loaded in a one run game. What a fag, he flipped out and wanted to charge the mound. Is this guy serious?

[SammyG]

Hmm. Dodgers on a 5 game winning streak. And only 3 games out of the NL West lead again. Are things possibly looking up again? I hope. Betemit was a fuckin good pickup for LAD, he's solid.

[ct2k]

Wang just gets better:eek:

[ct2k]

Man for most of the season i've gone on about how the wildcard will definitely come from the Central, its wide open now baby!

[FakeLaser]

We're not going to win the wildcard.

We're gonna win the division.