MLB 2006 Season Thread

[The Miz]

Wow Huston Street is easily a top 5 closer in baseball but with Ken macha managing it doesn't matter. 2 outs, he tells Street to intentionally walk the .775 OPS to get to the .969 OPS. Seeing eye single later and Street has 2 ER and a blown save

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>UGHHHHH.

Mets finally get a 2-0 lead on the Sox only to let them tie it right back up next half inning</font>

[Gertner]

Jays sweep the Nats:) Halladay moves to 10-2.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

12 in a row, even if it is againest the National league still pretty legit. Mets are seen as a top 5 team in baseball by just about everyone so im happy with it.

Lets see if they can keep this shit going for the rest of the season. Hopefully this can be year when the Red Sox can finally pull away from everyone in the AL East and actaully win it for once. We'll see tho

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://gallery.mostvaluablenetwork.com/d/1815-1/JonPapelbonRookieHazingWalkingToBullpen.jpg

[Fenix122]

can somebody please tell me how paul lo duca is leading the voting for the NL all-star catcher's position...it's really boggling my mind.

[OssMan]

can somebody please tell me how paul lo duca is leading the voting for the NL all-star catcher's position...it's really boggling my mind.Weak competition and he plays in the biggest market in baseball

[RoXer]

It also has to do with the fact that he went to my high school.

[RoXer]

Also, I wish I could have copy/pasted my convo with wadding about how I predicted what would happen in the bottom of the 9th. Almost exactly.

[BCWWF]

Haha the Twins have a pink backpack like that too. Usually some rookie carries it out and it's filled with candy and stuff.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah that is Papelbon last season when he was a rookie (still technically a rookie now) before he became the sickest fuck in the majors

[The Miz]

41-39 (39-30 if we didn't have to play the A's) and in second place ahead of Texas (What?? Everyone picked them to win the division again and for the 27th straight year their fading in June???) and the Angels. Too bad second in the AL West means like 10th in the Wild card

[Gertner]

BJ Ryan> Papelbon

[The Miz]

True

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

$4,000,000 > $335,400

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

$7,750,000 tho :( (Keith Foulke)

[DominateR]

If the Red Sox are a "clearly better team" than the Mets, I don't see how Chicago doesn't sweep the playoffs and repeat this year.

Hmm...lemme think...oh, yeah that's right it happens WHEN, and not IF, the Detroit Tigers kick the White Sox sorry ASSES for the AL Pennant, and THEN take their 1ST WORLD SERIES WIN IN 22 YEARS--BITCH!

Seriously, I honestly think Detroit is gonna take it all the way this year, so I'm gonna be watching the All-Star Game VERY closely, cuz as the advertisements say, THIS ONE COUNTS...and if the Tigers DO win the AL pennant this year, and the AL comes up with the win, all Detroit's gotta do is get through the playoffs to the World Series (all on Home Field advantage, I might add...) and then obliterate whoever stands in their way whether it be the White Sox, RED Sox, Yankees whoever...DETROIT is going to have AT LEAST 1 TEAM with the best record in the regular season for a sport and have SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT (and we all know what happened to the Pistons and the Red Wings...unfortunately, plus we all know the Lions are still gonna blow major ass when they start up again, no matter who the coaches and/or players are, or what their transparent gameplan for every week is.)

[BCWWF]

Detroit is yet to beat the White Sox in a series, Kenny Rogers has a history of fading and Magglio Ordonez has a history of getting injured. The Tigers should make the playoffs, but the White Sox have better, more experienced pitching throughout and for two straight years have gotten the most timely hitting you can ever ask for.

[DaveWadding]

Cubs are gonna get swept. Pusszynski is gonna get the shit booed out of him though. haha.

[Boomer]

Brian McCann should be the starting C for the NL team. Ridiculous. Stupid fucking injury keeping him from getting noticed.

[The Miz]

$4,000,000 > $335,400

Who said anything about their contracts. It was a question of who was better, not who you would rather have or who is a better bargain. Nick Swisher puts up all-star numbers for the league minimum and A-Rod puts MVP numbers for $25 million. Nick Swisher is not better than ARod

Ryan > Papelbon

[BCWWF]

LaTroy Hawkins > Lance Harris :|

[RoXer]

When I go to California next month, I am going to a Chico Outlaws game. (Golden Baseball league. It is an independent league.) We're tryingt to get tickets to when they play the San Diego Surf Dawgs because Ricky Henderson plays for them and Jose Conseco is their DH and/or pitcher I think.

[DaveWadding]

God, Sean Marshall you fuck up.

[The Miz]

Mariners get:
1B Eduardo Perez

Indians get:
2B Asdrudal Cabrera (AAA)

YES! Perez fucking mashes lefties. If only we could kill Crazy Carl. I've always liked Cabrera but Lopez is the future

[Gertner]

I'd even put Ryan in contention for Cy Young, espciall with how awful the Jays bullpen is. Where would they eb without him

[OssMan]

He is probably gay, his name is Robert Victor Ryan but he goes by BJ

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Who said anything about their contracts. It was a question of who was better, not who you would rather have or who is a better bargain. Nick Swisher puts up all-star numbers for the league minimum and A-Rod puts MVP numbers for $25 million. Nick Swisher is not better than ARod

Ryan > Papelbon
I wasn't really being serious there (As you can tell by next post about Foulke) but yeah BJ Ryan is a better pitcher than Papelbon seeing how Ryan has been in the majors for 8 years and has been pretty succesful throughout. This season though, Papelbon has been just as good.

[The Miz]

The thing about Papelbon though, as with any other young player, he's only been dominating for 3 months. Big leaguers will eventually figure him out. Remember when Francoeur was hitting like .450 for a while last year? Look at him now. Ryan has been pitching in the AL for 8 years and hitters are still fucking clueless. I'd be quite surprised if by season's end Papelbon's ERA is withing shouting distance of Ryan's.

[Joey Slugs]

sox win!

[Gertner]

Jays bitch slapping the Phillies right now 8-1

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The thing about Papelbon though, as with any other young player, he's only been dominating for 3 months. Big leaguers will eventually figure him out. Remember when Francoeur was hitting like .450 for a while last year? Look at him now. Ryan has been pitching in the AL for 8 years and hitters are still fucking clueless. I'd be quite surprised if by season's end Papelbon's ERA is withing shouting distance of Ryan's.
Maybe but I dunno, its not like Papelbon has some wacky delievery or something which makes his throws had to pick up. I'd surprised if Papelbon fell off and ended up not finishing up well, I wouldn't be surprised if his ERA raised a bit right because it is pretty ridiculous at the moment. Hes been a top prospect in the farm system for a while now and did alright last season as well so I don't really consider him some fluke pitcher that came out of nowhere.

[RoXer]

SCRATCH THAT

I will actually be going to the Golden Baseball League all-star game instead. I get to see all the big names like Ricky Henderson, Jose Cnaseco, and......other guys.....:cool:

[RoXer]

I think I like Mark Grace as a color comentator very much.

[RoXer]

Called up: Jared Weaver
Called down: Jeff Weaver


hahahaha

[The Miz]

Maybe but I dunno, its not like Papelbon has some wacky delievery or something which makes his throws had to pick up. I'd surprised if Papelbon fell off and ended up not finishing up well, I wouldn't be surprised if his ERA raised a bit right because it is pretty ridiculous at the moment. Hes been a top prospect in the farm system for a while now and did alright last season as well so I don't really consider him some fluke pitcher that came out of nowhere.

I didn't say he was a fluke and he would fall off the face of the earth. I said there's no way you can expect this kind of dominance thr rest of the year. Francoeur is a great young player (needs to learn how to take a fuckign walk though) but the .450 he hit for some time was a fluke and he'll never return to that again. Papelbon is a great young player but there's no book on how to hit him yet, eventually there will be one and he won't have a .45 ERA or whatever.

Reminds me of Huston Street in a lot of ways, flat out dominated when he first came out and is still good now but they're hitting him alot better cause all the teams have seen him a few times. It's especially hard to figure out rookie closers because you will only see them 1 inning.

[The Miz]

lol @ Unit

[BCWWF]

That is why I am so envious of Albert Pujols, has anybody ever figured that guy out? With the Twins so hot right now, I can't help but to think in the back of my mind that Morneau, Mauer and Kubel will go back down. I know they are top prospects and young players, but I hate not knowing if what you are seeing is legit or a hot streak from young players.

[DominateR]

Detroit is yet to beat the White Sox in a series, Kenny Rogers has a history of fading and Magglio Ordonez has a history of getting injured. The Tigers should make the playoffs, but the White Sox have better, more experienced pitching throughout and for two straight years have gotten the most timely hitting you can ever ask for.

That may be true, but as long as we've got the White Sox behind us by only ½-2 games behind us, I really don't see the Tigers losing as long as the White Sox keep winning, the only exception being when they clash again in a key series the 18th-20th of this month, and I could see the Tigers taking 2 out of 3 or sweeping the Sox, even though we only got 1 out of 3 from them last time...only time will tell I guess.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Great, Mets finally win a game but Wagner gets hurt on the last play of the game.

If they don't win 3 games minimum against the Pirates and 2 against the Marlins they're fucked.</font>

[The Miz]

That's what you get for putting you closer in a 5-run game. Nice one Willie

[OssMan]

Solid outing Randy Johnson

[Fenix122]

i just can't believe wagner got though an inning without a baserunner...shocking

[Evil Vito]

That's what you get for putting you closer in a 5-run game. Nice one Willie

<font color=goldenrod>Yep, getting your closer some work for the first time in a week really is a dumbass move.

Turns out he's fine anyway, so it's all good. :cool:</font>

[RP]

The catch by Gary Matthews Jr today may have been the greatest ever.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Matthews' catch was sick, Coco Crisp had a sick snag the other day to preserve the win too.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I didn't say he was a fluke and he would fall off the face of the earth. I said there's no way you can expect this kind of dominance thr rest of the year. Francoeur is a great young player (needs to learn how to take a fuckign walk though) but the .450 he hit for some time was a fluke and he'll never return to that again. Papelbon is a great young player but there's no book on how to hit him yet, eventually there will be one and he won't have a .45 ERA or whatever.

Reminds me of Huston Street in a lot of ways, flat out dominated when he first came out and is still good now but they're hitting him alot better cause all the teams have seen him a few times. It's especially hard to figure out rookie closers because you will only see them 1 inning.
Yeah that is definetly the more realistic outlook on things. I am looking at it from a biased fan prespective here.

Manny (5 RBI) with ANOTHER multihomer game - same goes for Ortiz (4 RBI - dudes got 70 RBI already). Crushed the Marlins, good to see them beating the teams they are suppose to beat. Lopez gave up two earned though, not good to see because he has been pitching very well since he came over to the Sox. I missed how Lopez's runs scored since I was working and could only listen to bits and pieces since it was ridiculously busy, so I dunno how "bad" those runs really where.

Also, even though I probably like the Cubbies a lot more than I like the White Sox, ROFL@Pierzynski hitting that homer. That shit was sick, I love when those type of things happen in sports. As a player, outside of winning a championship, that is probably the best feeling you could have on the field. Imagine being in his shoes in that position...wow

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Manny also got career hit #2000 and 2001 tonight...do you guys think he'll stick around long enough for 3000? I doubt it personally

[Ruby]

That would be another what? - 6 years at his current pace. That alone makes me think no, as I see Manny hanging them up before then. That doesn't take in account any slide in his stats over the next 6 years. Maybe there's no slide in his game, mind you.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah can't see him playing til he is 40...nevermind playing as good as he is now.

[Joey Slugs]

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[The Miz]

Yep, getting your closer some work for the first time in a week really is a dumbass move.

Turns out he's fine anyway, so it's all good. :cool:

Oh poor baby. This is only his 11th year of major league baseball, I'm sure not pitching for a week is going to totally ruin him. You don't use your closer in 5 run games

[Gertner]

hahha Bj Ryan struck out all 5 batters that he faced. e's just plain amazing

[Ruby]

I've never understood the whole deal about trying to get a reliever work when and if he hasn't pitched in awhile. I would think, if you're a manager and you feel a pitcher needs work and the right game opportunity doesn't arise, you just work him hard in the bullpen.

[The Miz]

Thank you. Is Wagner not aloud to throw in the bullpen and pretend it's a game? Why does he need to face actual hitters? Nothing good ever comes out of using your closer in a five run ballgame.

[Ruby]

Not that I don't see the counter argument that game situations are the best places to get your work, but it seems like such a risky proposition with no reward. Especially when we all here that closers (especially) aren't really into the game unless the game is actually on the line.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

While I don't think it is the smartest move brining in your closer there, its not like it the stupidest thing you could ever do. It does happen a lot, just can't be a lil bitch and get hurt throwing a ball.

[Innovator]

A-Rod grand slam, 6-4 Yanks :love:

[Fenix122]

Soler and Randolph can both suck my left nut...how do you not take out a guy who walked the first two batters in an inning, the first guy only batting .077 makes it even worse.

[Innovator]

I guess the guy wasn't ready yet in the bullpen

[RP]

I'm guessing they wont be booing Arod for a while. That second HR he just hit was crushed.

[Fenix122]

I guess the guy wasn't ready yet in the bullpen

they didn't even have anyone up in the pen until after A-Rod's HR

[Innovator]

I'm guessing they wont be booing Arod for a while. That second HR he just hit was crushed.It'll buy him 4 at bats

[RoXer]

fucking a's

[OssMan]

I'm guessing they wont be booing Arod for a while. That second HR he just hit was crushed.Really important in a 13-5 game

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm guessing they wont be booing Arod for a while. That second HR he just hit was crushed.
Nah he will continued to get boo'd while playing for the Yankees. He will never not get boo'd, no matter what he does. I am sure if he made error last night in the field, he would have gotten boo'd.

[BCWWF]

Did Liriano not just pitch eight shutout innings with 12 strikeouts? He is the best pitcher in the American League in the past two months, yet probably won't even get voted on as the last member to the All Star game.

[RoXer]

Yeesh, talk about sophmore slump for Clint Barmes. I didn't think he'd perform as well as last year but yowza.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Did Liriano not just pitch eight shutout innings with 12 strikeouts? He is the best pitcher in the American League in the past two months, yet probably won't even get voted on as the last member to the All Star game.lol yeah I bet Schilling gets on as the last memeber, not that Schilling doesnt deserve it but Liriano deserves it more.

Nomar better get on the fucking NL team tho

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Actually I don't think pitchers can be voted in as last player can they?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nope they are, just went and voted. Went with Liriano and Nomar - no Schilling or Mussina on the 5 man ballot so Liriano has a good shot

[BCWWF]

Apparently they can because Liriano is on the last player thing. I don't remember them on there in the past. I can't remember off my head who is on the lists this year, I just went on and voted for Liriano and Nomar a couple times without really looking. I think the AL one includes AJ Pierzynski and Justin Verlander, the NL one has Bobby Abreu, I forget who else.

[BCWWF]

I don't remember this problem in years past, but for some reason it seems like there are so many guys who are worthy of being All Stars but not enough spots. Usually the last-vote in is somebody good but not the AL ERA leader and the NL batting leader.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

AL one had Hafner as well, can't remember anyone else tho

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>AL Final Vote: Travis Hafner, Ramon Hernandez, Francisco Liriano, A.J. Pierzynski, Justin Verlander

NL Final Vote: Bobby Abreu, Chris Capuano, Nomar Garciaparra, Billy Wagner, Chris Young

---

On the NL side its looking like two of the pitchers will probably get in anyway, since Pedro and Glavine will likely both skip on the game due to injury and short rest, respectively.

I voted for Wagner, not a homer pick but because without him, Brian Fuentes is the only lefty on the staff (assuming Glavine does in fact skip the game and Capuano doesn't make it). He's also a power pitcher, which is needed on the staff.

Nomar deserves it, no doubt, but there's already 3 first basemen on the team and even then I wouldn't play any of the reserves over Pujols.</font>

[Gertner]

5 jays made the all-star team:)

I can't believe Glaus is on it.

[Ruby]

Glauss' early sucess got him on the team. He's slumping right now, but his numbers still look decent. (apart from the avg.)

[Gertner]

his strikeouts drive me crazy, but his home runs and rbi's make up for it

[The Miz]

LMAO Jeff Weaver traded to St. Louis

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>For a guy who's been in Single-A for 5 years, no less</font> :lol:

[mrslackalack]

Rumors are Greg Maddux to the Brew Crew.

[Joey Slugs]

Rumors are Greg Maddux to the Brew Crew.

I love that.

SI.com is reporting that Hoston is interested in trading for Dontrelle Willis

[BCWWF]

Well who isn't interested in trading FOR Dontrelle Willis? The question is WHY would the Marlins even consider trading a 24-year old pitcher? (Actual age +/- 2 years)

[The Miz]

For the right deal, Dontrelle should be traded. If they can get 3 top prospects from an organization like LAAA, why not? Willis is good but he's not Santana or anything. He had an amazing season last year, but he has been pretty shit this year and was pretty shit his sophomore year. I'm still not sold on Willis because he hasn't proven that he can dominate for longer than one season.

Miguel Cabrera is the one who should be untouchable. He is one of those guys who comes around once every 10 years or so.

[The Miz]

Reds get:
RP Eddie Guardado

Mariners get:
SP Travis Chick (AA)

Later fatty

[Adder]

Ah shucks, I was coming to post about "Evreyday Eddie", seems like Miz beat me to it.

[mrslackalack]

Come on Reds you can trade for better pitching than that.

[The Miz]

I dunno, Guardado should be able to get NL hitters out. At the least it moves Coffey into a setup role where he's better

[mrslackalack]

NL Central will be a race to watch in the 2nd half with Cards, Reds, Brew Crew, and Astros all contending.

[mrslackalack]

I liked Harold Renyolds idea of having a utilty position player for the all star game.

[Ruby]

Why?

With all due respect to utility guys, they are utility guys because they aren't really good enough to be an everyday position player. The All-Star game isn't about awarding honours to the best 'not quite good enough' player.
I completely understand the vital role utility players make on their respective teams, but all-stars they are not.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ortiz goes deep twice 2niiiiiiite...second one being a Grand Slam.

Red Sox finally beat the fucking D'Rays too, I thought they were seriously going to get swept in a 4 game series with them

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit, Henry Owens up.....Mike Pelfrey to be up Saturday :cool:

Hope Owens isn't just roster filler and actually plays. He's been pretty ridiculous in Double A as their closer. Throws near 100 MPH, 1.08 ERA, 51 K's in just 25 innings</font> :eek:

[OssMan]

Holy shit, Henry Owens up.....Mike Pelfrey to be up Saturday :cool:

Hope Owens isn't just roster filler and actually plays. He's been pretty ridiculous in Double A as their closer. Throws near 100 MPH, 1.08 ERA, 51 K's in just 25 innings :eek:Only reason Owens got called up is because Heath Bell hasn't been down for the maximum of 10 days. So I'd expect to see Bell up and Owens down after Bell reaches 10 days in the minors.

[The Miz]

HAHA Frank Thomas walk off homer. I swear to god Scot Sheilds is trying to break the record for most losses in relief. 11 last year and 6 already this year

[ct2k]

Jesus christ, KC have been OVER .500 in their last 20-something games:|

Also Miz (seeing as you seem to know the minors and shit), what do you know about this Jesus Montero kid who the Yankees have signed? I only just read some blurb on MLB.com about him, talking about him being groomed to take over from Posada in 4 or 5 years

[The Miz]

According to Baseball America, he is terrible behind the plate and will probably end up at 1B. All I know is he's the top prospect in Latin America, and since he says he's 16 years old that means he's anywhere from 19-26.

[ct2k]

I didn't believe he could be 16 once i read he's 6ft 3 and 220lbs

[ct2k]

Speaking of terrible behind the plate, we got the Yanks/Tribe game wednesday night, i knew Victor Martinez was hot with the bat but i didn't realise how much guys were stealing on him, he was MILES off everytime, we even had that double steal at one point!

Dya think the Indians will move him? I mean their defence isn't exactly gold glove standard anyway but yknow, having a solid guy behind the plate wouldn't hurt

[Ruby]

V. Martinez's offensive upside is far too valuable to move him at this point in his career for a more defensive catcher. Now it may be only me, but he's always looked adequate behind the plate. I don't think his defense is so terrible that you'd toy with moving him. - Unless of course you mean move him in the sense of putting him at 1B or something.

[Ruby]

I was reading some news and the name Eric Gagne came up. Now the guy's going in potentially for back surgery. What is up with this guy? He's been nothing but virtually on the DL since what - 2003? I can't help but think he's a victim of performance enhancements.
Does anyone else think this?

[DaveWadding]

they have been trying V. Mart at 1B for a few games this week.

[BCWWF]

So much for the Twins being hot

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Jon Lester 6 IP 2 ER
Manny Delcarman 1 IP 0 ER

Future looks pretty bright

[RP]

I was reading some news and the name Eric Gagne came up. Now the guy's going in potentially for back surgery. What is up with this guy? He's been nothing but virtually on the DL since what - 2003? I can't help but think he's a victim of performance enhancements.
Does anyone else think this?

Not really. Common injuries for any pitcher. Some less sever, some career ending.

[mrslackalack]

What GS was more impressive last night. D-Trains or Hafners? (D-Train being a pitcher or Hafner for breaking the record for most GS before the All-Star Break)

[The Miz]

I think Gagné is done. He's a free agent after this year (Dodgers will obviously decline his option) and no team will be crazy enough to give him a multi-year deal. He seems like a guy who isn't going to be healthy again, ever.

Steroids wouldn't surprise me, but then again no player in baseball would surprise me in that department.

[The Miz]

Not really. Common injuries for any pitcher. Some less sever, some career ending.

Two herniated discs in the lower back requiring surgery is common for any pitcher?

[ct2k]

lol

I remember seeing Gagne start a couple of times back in his very early days i think around 2000 time, and he was definitely not the size he is today, can't remember what kind of heat he had on his FB, though his stuff was pretty good.

[The Miz]

I always thought Gagné was more fat than huge, but that's irrelevant. I think most pitchers who take steroids do it to recover more quickly from injuries and to be able to make 34 starts (or 80 appearances, if you're Gagné).

[ct2k]

A lot of baseball players in general carry around too much excess imo

[The Miz]

The Dodgers don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to keeping pitchers healthy. I think Gagné will join the long list of pitchers that includes Sandy Koufax and Fernando Valenzuela whose careers were ended early due to overuse while pitching for the Dodgers.

[ct2k]

The thing is as well as making maybe 80 appearances he'd often work more than just the one inning, which can only worsen things

[OssMan]

What GS was more impressive last night. D-Trains or Hafners? (D-Train being a pitcher or Hafner for breaking the record for most GS before the All-Star Break)Willis killed it and hit it way out in a hitters park, Hafner's probably would have been off the wall in Shea Stadium

[BCWWF]

Or that he is Canadien

[Gertner]

Fuckign Blue Jays

[The Miz]

French-Canadian, even worse

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nice, Red Sox take first 2 from the White Sox. Crazy game, Lopez struck out Thome with the bases loaded with no outs in the 7th, then Hansen came in and got 2 outs. Pretty good showing from the pullben; Seanez is yet to pitch this month as well :y: :y: :y:

[The Miz]

Heard a rumor that the White Sox are interested in Andruw Jones

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow if that happens, dunno how they wouldn't be the favorite to win it all (If they aren't already)

[The Miz]

I dunno. 3 months isn't a lot of time for a guy who's played in the NL for 10+ years to learn AL pitching.

And acquiring Jones isn't going to help García, Garland, and Vázquez stop sucking major balls. They need at least 2 of those guys to figure it out.

Their offense is fucking ridiculous already, they need pitching.

[Ruby]

What would Atlanta get back in return?

[Boomer]

MLBTradeRumors kinda pushed back the Andruw thing. Someone in the WSox organization said they were content with the team.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I don't really get why the White Sox would do that either. I'm not positive, but Jones isn't having nearly the season he did last year is he? If the White Sox were going to get somebody from Atlanta I'd think it would be Smoltz. Both Smoltz and Jones are kind of the "face" of the organization, but would Atlanta fans really be that upset if Smoltz left? I also heard he might be on the block a while back, although that might just have been ESPN speculating.

[The Miz]

Its time for the Braves to rebuild. Unloading Andruw's 14 million in 2007 would be a nice start. The have a nice nucleus of young hitters, but they need a lot of pitching.

[The Miz]

Ken Rosenthal claims Boston is interested in Abreu

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5770502

[Ruby]

Whether he ends up in Boston or not, Abreu won't be a Phillie for that much longer. If not this season, I predict he'll be moved in the off season.

[The Outlaw]

Francoeur = most clutch (for sake of petty arguments, "if there was such thing") guy in baseball. You heard me. Him and Big Papi are both on up there.

I don't see the Bravos dealing Andruw. He's having a solid year, not great but not bad. 20 homeruns, 75 RBIs. Batting like .270 with an OBP of .340 something :-\

We have a bright future though. This year isn't over, they are coming around and starting to play very well, but it's going to be a hard thing to do. If McCann wouldn't have gotten hurt, I think we would be battling for the top spot, might have it.

[ct2k]

Yeah Andruw is on pace for like 40HR/140RBI, thats shit hot

[The Miz]

I don't care how good you are at something that doesn't exist when you get on base 27% of the time

[Joey Slugs]

papelbon is finally blowing a save! thank god.

[ct2k]

Miz got a point, is that really Francoeurs OBP? Thats worse than old Chone!:lol:

[The Outlaw]

Yeah his OBP is like .280 I think? lol Like 8 walks and 70 strikeouts, freaking ridiculous. He has like 35 RBIs with 2 outs or so. Either two more or two less than Big Papi last time I heard?

[The Miz]

Oh, so a bunch of RBIs with 2 outs makes up for him getting on base slighty worse than the average 3rd string utiliy infielders

[ct2k]

Ugh thats horrible

[ct2k]

Why would anyone start a guy like him? 8 WALKS!!!!!

[The Miz]

.333 OBP, .434 SLG (RISP)
.283 OBP, .469 SLG (Late Innings of Close Games)
.270 OBP, .541 SLG (w/ 2 outs)

.282 OBP, .441 SLG (Overall)

Wow what a clutch hitter, he really raises his game to the next level in the clutch

[ct2k]

Ugh thats just so ugly its not even true, and i thought Pat Burrell's BA had been ugly!

[DaveWadding]

LMAO, is Clint Hurdle retarded? 5 pitchers to face 5 hitters in one inning.

[The Miz]

He actually has Eric Byrnes disease (murders lefties, clueless against righties)

1.002 OPS vs. LHP
.647 OPS vs. RHP

Perfect platoon candidate, although the Braves would never even consider that

[ct2k]

Francoeur is the perfect candidate for RELEASE baby. Imagine what he'd be like in a slump season?!

.087 BA
11 HR
23 RBI
.117 OBP
.154 SP
3 BB
269 SO

[ct2k]

Fuckin Rocco Baldelli and that fuckin cocksuckin arm of his! Boston look set to beat CWS in the 11th to boot!

[Joey Slugs]

BOS/CWS goes to the 12th after a 2-run bottom of the 11th.

[ct2k]

:-O

[Joey Slugs]

BoSox would of had this won if not for Papelblown giving up a 2 out HR to Dye in the 9th.

Fucking White Sox had bases loaded with no one out and only managed one run.

[Dragon]

Pretty bad game against the D-Rays, giving up a 5 run lead. Hopefully the White Sox beat the other Sox and help us out a little.

[Joey Slugs]

Thank god for Seattle actually winning a game and helping us out.

[The Miz]

Gil Meche baby

[Joey Slugs]

Boston/Chicago - 5 all, top 19

[Joey Slugs]

Finally. CWS 6 -5 BOS, 19 Innings.

[OssMan]

how many runs scored in the bottom of the 11th? did papelbon give up any hr? did the white sox score with bases loaded? hey what was the score going into the 19th inning? who won

[Joey Slugs]

how many runs scored in the bottom of the 11th? did papelbon give up any hr? did the white sox score with bases loaded? hey what was the score going into the 19th inning? who won


2
Yes, 2-out HR to Dye
Yes, Once to tie the game (11th) and another to win it (19th)
5-5
White Sox, on a RBI single by Iguchi

[Ruby]

Can someone explain to me why they'd bat Chris Carpenter in the top of the 9th inning when they are up 5-4?

Then to make it worse, when he comes out to pitch the bottom of the 9th, they pull him after one batter. Sure the batter got a single, but what was the whole point of that?

LaRussa, you are something.

[Ruby]

:lol:

I hope you guys are watching tonight ESPN's 'Sunday Night Game', what a comedy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn that Sox game was ridiculous. Papelbon gave up his 3rd run of the year :-\

I was working and missed that play that sounded like it was all fucked, pretty sure it was like the 11th or 12th when a guy didn't tag up or fucked up tagging up or somethign and didn't end up scoring. What the hell happened there?

ROFL@Seanez though, they left Tavarez in for like over 3 innings because they didn't want to use him. When your team is stretching out Tavarez so they don't have to use you, you know you suck.

[Dragon]

LOL, Roy Oswalt is brought in to pinch hit in the 11th and he hits a double. But he misses first base I guess and after the Cards appeal he is called out.

Pretty crazy game, Astros are awful at getting this final run in. The inning before they had the bases loaded with one out and the Cards got out of it.

[DaveWadding]

LMAO Dan Wheeler is fucking terrible. He hung that pitch to Rolen and Rolen murdered that shit.

[Ruby]

That might have been the worse executed game of baseball I've seen in a long time. Some real 'Single A' gaffes

[The Miz]

Hmm Ty "0-5 4.99 ERA as a starter" sent to the pen, in favor of Shawn Marcum.

Chad Gaudin's ERA is now under 4 :)

[The Miz]

Second half predictions

AL East: Boston
AL Central: Detroit
AL West: Oakland
AL Wild Card: Chicago

NL East: New York
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
NL Wild Card: Milwaukee

[ct2k]

AL East: Boston
AL Central: Chicago
AL West: Oakland
AL Wild Card: Detroit

NL East: New York
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
NL Wild Card: Milwaukee

[ct2k]

So yeah i basically agree with you entirely, i just fancy the ChiSox to take the ALC down the stretch

Can't see us gettin to the playoffs though:'(

[Joey Slugs]

AL East: Boston
AL Central: Chicago
AL West: Texas
AL Wild Card: Detroit

ALDS: Chicago over Texas, Boston over Detroit
ALCS: Chicago over Boston

NL East: New York
NL Central: Cincinnati
NL West: San Diego
NL Wild Card: Milwaukee

NLDS: New York over Milwaukee, San Diego over Cincinnati
NLCS: New York over San Diego

World Series: Chicago over New York

[Joey Slugs]

Penny and Rogers are the All Star Starters. No big suprise there.

[The Miz]

Yeah Kenny Rogers!

[BCWWF]

On our sports talk station today, the hosts both didn't like having the rule of having one player from each team. For me, I don't think that is a bad rule, but it just stands out so much this year because Redman was the wrong player and because there seem to be a lot of guys who were arguably qualified to pitch on the team.

[The Miz]

Emil Brown is the Royals' all-star. Hell, Jimmy Gobble would've been a better choice

[BCWWF]

But just my opinion is that people are going to be "screwed" out of it every year, but in most cases the person "screwed" will be the 7-hitting catcher on the Red Sox instead of the AL ERA leader. Shit happens, it's not like it really matters in the long run, but I just think that if you take away that rule it further isolates the East Coast bias thing even more.

[BCWWF]

Just saw the headline that Liriano replaces Contreras on All Star Team

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I knew they'd have Loretta batting 8th in the starting line up.

Kenny Rogers...wow what a difference a year makes. Last year he was punching camera men and shit.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Capuano replaces Glavine, Eckstein replaces Reyes :(

Damn, only 3 Mets now. Oh well, at least they are all starting.

Phil Garner's kinda screwy though. He's decided to bat David Wright 6th....just below Edgar Renteria</font> :wtf:

[OssMan]

Remember the last time Kenny Rogers pitched an allstar game

[The Miz]

Remember when Kenny Rogers pitched Game 5 of the 1999 NLDS

[Joey Slugs]

Liriano fills in for Contreras as All-Star (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060710&content_id=1550755&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp)

[Joey Slugs]

Capuano replaces Glavine

Cappy made the team? :love:

Wow. I'm behind on the news.

[MVP]

AL East: Boston
AL Central: Detroit
AL West: Oakland
AL Wild Card: Chicago

NL East: New York
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
NL Wild Card: Cincinnati

[BCWWF]

AL East: Boston
AL Central: Detroit
AL West: Oakland
AL Wild Card: Chicago

NL East: New York
NL Central: St. Louis
NL West: Los Angeles
NL Wild Card: San Diego

[BCWWF]

San Diego was just pulling a name from my ass

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This first half has been pretty sick if you are a Red Sox fan. Didn't really see a lot of people projecting them to be in first this season (heard a lot about them finishing 3rd...which still has a good chance of happening really) but even though the season is only half over i'd rather still see them in first in the AL East rather than anywhere else obviously. A lot of cool shit, Mirrabelli's crazy ass comeback, The new infield playing really well, Papelbon pitching lights out and staying semi-healthy. I'd say the biggest down side has been the two free agent reliever pick ups (Tavarez and Seanez) but the all the young relief pitchers have been doing pretty well - not just Papelbon. Red Sox need to get a 5th starter though, I really don't understand why they are using Johnson? They had Synder who pitched one game and did alright - and David Pauly from the minors pitched pretty decent - both pitched much better than Johnson.

[DaveWadding]

Cappy made the team? :love:

Wow. I'm behind on the news.

For once, you and I can agree on something. But for different reasons.

[Gertner]

Halladay should have been the starter

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He just pitched on Sunday. Pretty sure same deal with Santana as well, so Rogers just got lucky.

The starter should be Liriano, but he almost didn't make the team.

[Joey Slugs]

For once, you and I can agree on something. But for different reasons.

?

[DaveWadding]

?

I dunno why you liked him, but I'm sure it wasnt because he was one of the D'Backs best young pitchers before we traded him and others for Richie "23 Games" Sexson. :wavesad:

[ct2k]

lol, its a shame cos Sexson is capable of some big production when he's healthy

[Joey Slugs]

I dunno why you liked him, but I'm sure it wasnt because he was one of the D'Backs best young pitchers before we traded him and others for Richie "23 Games" Sexson. :wavesad:

Damn, that's right. I forgot he started with the D'Backs.

I like him because the Brewers are my favorite NL team.

[RoXer]

Is Italy your favorite American League team? Or is it the Netherlands?

[Joey Slugs]

Is Italy your favorite American League team? Or is it the Netherlands?

Fuck off.

[OssMan]

What is the point of saying "fuck off" on a message board

[ct2k]

Go banana

[Joey Slugs]

Go banana

I bent my Wookie.

[BCWWF]

Peanut butter jelly time

[ct2k]

:drool:

[The Miz]

Astros get:
3B/OF Aubrey Huff

DRays get:
SP Mitch Talbot (AA)
SS Ben Zobrist (AA)

Two pretty decent prospects for Huff who is kinda shit. Makes sense for both teams though, Houston needs offense to get back into the race and TB needs more arms

[BCWWF]

What position does Huff play anyways? I remember him being a first, third and outfielder, was that right? If so, it looks like he will be in the outfield in Houston.

[The Miz]

I have no clue how they're going to position Ensberg, Huff, Wilson, Lamb, and Lane and find at-bats for all those guys. Trade Ensberg?

[DaveWadding]

Send Lane to the minors...

Well, thats what they did anyways.

[The Miz]

C Ausmus
1B Lamb
2B Biggio
3B Ensberg
SS Everett
LF Berkman
CF Taveras
RF Wilson

Who sits for Huff Davey?

[The Miz]

Also Burke needs AB's

[BCWWF]

I thought Burke was one of Houstons best players? Also, isn't Lane pretty old now? Like mid-30's?

[The Miz]

Lane is 28.

Burke? He's ok, better than Everett but so is the pizza man who just delivered this pepperoni delight

[The Miz]

Tampa Bay is moving B.J. Upton to 3B and will call him up in August. Interesting

[Joey Slugs]

Should be a very interesting second half.

[Ruby]

Huff has slow starts every year. It just seems he get hot later and later each year. It wouldn't surprise me to see him get 20-25 HRs by season's end. Mind you it wouldn't surprise me to see him finish with 12 either.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't know much about Houston, but it would seem to me that this would be the best way to find AB's for everyone while still keeping a good offense:

C: Biggio
1B: Huff/Berkman
2B: Burke
SS: Lamb
3B: Ensberg
LF: Huff/Berkman
CF: Taveras
RF: Wilson

...of course this would assrape them defensively as Lamb's never played short and Biggio hasn't caught since 1991, so that won't work. Lamb HAS played 2B, but for all of 2 innings so switching him with Burke won't work either.

But yeah, odds are they just platoon Huff and Ensberg...a shame really since I think Ensberg's gonna come back to form</font>

[CNM]

Mike Lamb at shortstop would be hilarious

[ct2k]

I dunno about Berkman in the second slot, the amount of runs he's knocked in would surely dictate him going in the 3rd or 4th?

[The Miz]

He was doing it by position, not batting order.

Anyway, Ausmus plays, so no

[ct2k]

hah, touche:p

[The Miz]

Frank Thomas sues White Sox doctors

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-0607130263jul13,1,530061.story?coll=cs-sports-print

I wonder what Ken Harrelson would have to say about this... probably absolutely nothing for 3 innings, because it's something bad about the White Sox

[The Miz]

Nationals get:
OF Austin Kearns
SS Felipe Lopez
RP Ryan Wagner (AAA)

Reds get:
RP Gary Majewski
SS Royce Clayton
RP Bill Bray
2B Brendan Harris (AAA)
SP Daryl Thompson (A)

LOL what the FUCK is Cincinnati thinking? All they could get for Kearns and Lopez was... um... nothing? Majewski is decent and Bray is a nice prsopect but still, wow what a rape. This trade would be unanimously vetoed if it were in Fantasy Baseball.

[The Miz]

This trade just killed their playoff chances IMO

[Joey Slugs]

Frank Thomas sues White Sox doctors

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-0607130263jul13,1,530061.story?coll=cs-sports-print

I wonder what Ken Harrelson would have to say about this... probably absolutely nothing for 3 innings, because it's something bad about the White Sox

:nono:

Anything bad to say about Uecker?

[The Miz]

I love Uecker. So are the Brewers your team now or what

[Joey Slugs]

I love Uecker. So are the Brewers your team now or what

I've had a lifelong split between the Sox and the Brew Crew. I'm just changing my pic and title for the 2nd half of the season.

[CNM]

Wow, the Reds are nuts. Jim Bowden has to have incriminating pictures on someone in Cincinnati

[The Miz]

Every trade Jim Bowden has ever made before this sucked too. I don't get it

[Joey Slugs]

it's going to be a tough sell to the fans, especially since they are still in the playoff race.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lester on the hill tonight, he's been pitching well but he is due for a loss by now - hopefully the Sox can bang out like 8 runs againest Loaiza just incase.

[The Miz]

Hopefully? 8 runs off of Loaiza is like being shut out. Red Sox should be embarrased to score 8 off that clown

[Joey Slugs]

wow... is Loaiza really that bad this year?

[The Miz]

6.43 ERA, 1.66 WHIP, 4.02 K/9, 1.19 K/BB

He has actually been "okay" since coming off the DL but still wow, worst Beane move ever. They're stuck with him for 2 more years after this too. Now Beane isn't going to be able to re-sign Zito, well that was a $21 mil well spent Billy :y:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LMAO Sidney Ponson to the Yankees :lol:

Also, the Reds fans actually think its a good trade</font> :|

[Joey Slugs]

LMAO Sidney Ponson to the Yankees :lol:

serious?

[The Miz]

According to ESPNews, the Yankees have signed Sidney Ponson for the remainder of the season.
http://rotoworld.com/includes/topblurbs.asp?sport=MLB


LOL Ponson. Yeah, Chacon sucks, but Ponson is a whole nother level of suck.

[Joey Slugs]

Wow. How desperate are the Yankees?

[Joey Slugs]

2nd half of the season kicks off in a hour.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

well that was a $21 mil well spent Billy :y:I think a lot of teams have pitchers like that though

I don't think the Red Sox would though if Matt Clement didn't get hit with the ball about 7 times over the course of one year. He tries to say the ball hitting him so much has no effect on him but thats bullshit, he made the All Star team last season but has been shit ever since he got hit. Now he is a 9 mil/year waste of space.

[The Miz]

Yeah but on Beane's budget, that was an incredibly stupid signing. The Yankees can do shit like that because if Loaiza sucks then so what, $7 mil per is nothing to them. There are guys in AAA or on the market for less than a million who could do the same thing Loaiza is doing and then Beane would have an extra $7 million to re-sign Zito.

Zito signed Boras as his agent though so 5 yr/60 mil is probably a starting point. Enjoy Zito in Boston next year Stima.

[Joey Slugs]

Zito will be a Met before this month is over.

[The Miz]

Not a chance.

After the season, yes, but Zito won't be traded now. Beane already turned down Minaya's offer of Milledge and Heilman, what more could he offer?

[Joey Slugs]

Not a chance.

After the season, yes, but Zito won't be traded now. Beane already turned down Minaya's offer of Milledge and Heilman, what more could he offer?

Yeah, turning down that offer is a hard line for Zito staying until the off season.

[The Miz]

I don't know if that is sarcasm or what, but the A's are in a tie for first place right now and they are not about to trade their ace and most durable starter. If Harden was healthy, still unlikely, but since he isn't there is no chance Zito is gone. Beane has turned down every offer for Zito for over a year now, there is no reason to trade him now when the A's are actually in first. And Beane has always preferred letting his stars go instead and getting the compensation draft picks instead of acquiring players in a trade.

[Joey Slugs]

No sarcasm at all. That is a good offer for Zito. Beane turning it down shows that he wants to make a major run this year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, Zito's not going anywhere.

I do expect the Mets to sign him in the off-season, however. They can match any offer the Yankees give him so the Mets should win out as Zito would be dominant in the NL.

As for right now, it's gonna be tough to get a starter since there are so many teams still in the hunt. The safest bet would probably be Greg Maddux, I would think the Cubs would deal him on the cheap if the Mets agree to pay his salary.</font>

[Joey Slugs]

Maddux is heading to Milwaukee.

[BCWWF]

Hey, Kyle Lohse? Take him

[BCWWF]

Even though the Cubs are out of it, it doesn't seem like they would trade to a division rival?

[The Miz]

Maddux is pretty shit now

[Joey Slugs]

Even though the Cubs are out of it, it doesn't seem like they would trade to a division rival?

It looks like it between the Dodgers or the Brewers.

[The Miz]

Wow, Oakland demotes Dan Johnson to make room for Milton Bradley coming off the DL. This guy had 2 ridiculous months last year but has been pretty shit since then. Should be interesting to see how Nick Swisher handles playing 1B full-time

Also, stima, how long has Varitek sucked this bad?

[mrslackalack]

When I heard that the Reds and Nats made a trade and that Austin Kearns and Lopez were gone. I was thinking omg we got Soriano! Then I hear what the deal was and was ticked. We traded 2 of our top 5 players for a bunch of average at best batting and pitching. You think the Reds was he last place team and the Nats were the 2nd place team in the Division and 2nd in the Wildcard standings.

[mrslackalack]

Fans in Cincy are ticked and being from Austin Kearns hometown people here are outraged as well. Many thought Griffey should have been dealt before Kearns.

[The Miz]

P.S. Teixeira is back. 3 jacks tonite and from both sides of the plate. Rangers still suck though

[Joey Slugs]

Looks like Liriano finally came back down to earth for awhile tonight.

[mrslackalack]

Was that a one hit wonder game for Big Tex or the start of picking up on a rather dissapointing season for himself and most fantasy owners who picked him first round in fantasy drafts?

[SammyG]

I l-o-l-o-l-o-l-o-v-e Nomar.

[Joey Slugs]

22 straight games now. What's not to love about that man?

[RoXer]

So I've been gone for a few days and I'm still technically "gone"


But did Slugs change teams AGAIN?

[RoXer]

Oh and I guess we're posting in our team colors now or somehting ?