NFL 2010 Season Thread

[D Mac]

WHAT THE FUCK KC :mad: :mad: :mad:

[D Mac]

This is fucking bullshit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Go Cowboys!!

:shifty:

[FearedSanctity]

lol Broncos

[D Mac]

good lord

[FearedSanctity]

lol, Joshy McD is maaaad

[D Mac]

Toad Haley should be the one that's mad.

[FearedSanctity]

Meant moreso in the way the game's been called, not actually. Dude's obviously trying to make people stfu

Haley is ALWAYS mad

[D Mac]

I turned it off already. :(

[RoXer]

Greg Toler is really trying to give this game to Seattle. Thank god the Seahawks commited penalties.

[RoXer]

Lol, nvm. Greg Toler completely failed to pick somone up in motion and gave up a 30 yd pass. Unreal

[IC Champion]

Arizona sucks.

[DaveWadding]

cant believe how badly he's getting shredded.

[Crimson]

'Boys responding well. If they win one game only the rest of the way ,i'd like it to be this one fuck the Giants

[RoXer]

Yesssssss. Whisenhunt took out Toler. Thank god. Thought I nwas the only person on earth who saw that. He's a pretty good coach for noticing, I suppose. He's a keeper

[RoXer]

drc with a pick


Now were cookin

[Kris P Lettus]

The power went off in NY and now they are playing the game completely lit by their backup generator..

Crazy..

[FearedSanctity]

Tebowner with his first passing TD.

That makes it 4 total for him

[Team Sheep]

WTF Giants.

[IC Champion]

Giants have been over hyped for the last couple weeks.

[Innovator]

Giants beat up on the shit teams, losing Diehl and Smith for the week doesn't help

[OssMan]

People are getting pick pocketed all over New Meadowlands Stadium

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think now it's fairly clear what happened in Dallas. Players sabotaged their season to get Wade Phillips fired. Not all of them but enough to make this turnaround in play fairly obvious that there's more going on than just a coaching change. Let's not forget that Garrett couldn't get his offense to play to their potential all season. Now all of a sudden he has to motivate the offense and defense and miraculously they make a complete turnaround against a really good opponent.

I'm not one for conspiracies but there was definitely some collusion to get Phillips out in Dallas-Ft. Worth.

[IC Champion]

I think now it's fairly clear what happened in Dallas. Players sabotaged their season to get Wade Phillips fired. Not all of them but enough to make this turnaround in play fairly obvious that there's more going on than just a coaching change. Let's not forget that Garrett couldn't get his offense to play to their potential all season. Now all of a sudden he has to motivate the offense and defense and miraculously they make a complete turnaround against a really good opponent.

I'm not one for conspiracies but there was definitely some collusion to get Phillips out in Dallas-Ft. Worth.

I don't think it was collusion so much as players just quit. Particularly on defence. The offense had struggled all year and lost games they should have won, and wasted a couple very good defensive performances. After about 1-5 and Romo going down, players on defence just started mailing it in. They could get no pressure in the last 3 games whatsoever. But then again, collusion wouldn't surprise me.

[Innovator]

Yeah Dallas definitely playing more inspired football with Garrett.

[IC Champion]

Roy E Williams ladies and gents.

[IC Champion]

Seriously, where was this play 4 games ago.

[Innovator]

Ok someone tell the Giants how to cover a post route, this is ridiculous

[IC Champion]

It's good to see someone taught the offensive line how to pass protect.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The thing that I keep going back to is that Garrett isn't a new voice. He's been there all along. I can't imagine he's acting too differently than he did as OC. So that means the only thing different about the Cowboys is that Phillips isn't there to say or do anything. And I just can't believe that Wade was so bad that the mere lack of his presence would make a team do a 180 in a week.

[Crimson]

Kitna looking better than Romo..QB conterversy next year :shifty:

[Crimson]

Defense looked like swiss cheese in that drive wtf

[Team Sheep]

Love how the Jets are pulling out the wins. Last season they'd have lost the Denver, Detroit and Cleveland games. It's so fucking agonising but they know how to win games ugly now which is what they've lacked for years. Pleased that the next 3 Jets games are on TV over here :)

[IC Champion]

The thing that I keep going back to is that Garrett isn't a new voice. He's been there all along. I can't imagine he's acting too differently than he did as OC. So that means the only thing different about the Cowboys is that Phillips isn't there to say or do anything. And I just can't believe that Wade was so bad that the mere lack of his presence would make a team do a 180 in a week.

I agree with you. I don't like Garrett, he's part of the problem. But I guess Wade wasn't strict at all, and players slacked at practice. Apparently the first things Garrett did was make sure players show up on time and run the the drills properly and promptly. If those are things that need to be addressed then maybe Wade needed to go, but I think Garrett needed to as well.

[Innovator]

I'm at the point where my heart stops when I see the ball going anywhere near Dez Bryant

[Crimson]

Steven Jackson is the truth..never understood why Dallas passed on him when he dropped.

[Emperor Smeat]

The thing that I keep going back to is that Garrett isn't a new voice. He's been there all along. I can't imagine he's acting too differently than he did as OC. So that means the only thing different about the Cowboys is that Phillips isn't there to say or do anything. And I just can't believe that Wade was so bad that the mere lack of his presence would make a team do a 180 in a week.

Its similar to the time Parcells was the coach when the team struggled and then magically played great the next season after he left. Of course the main difference was back then the players were upset at the tough discipline and training Parcells did and loved Wade Phillips laid back style.

[OssMan]

Like a Boss

[IC Champion]

Dez Bryant is a beast yo.

[OssMan]

Giants would have had a chance if Nicks made that catch. Not sure now

[OssMan]

How is this game happening

[Team Sheep]

Lol Nexus theme being played at Candlestick Park.

[Big Fat Mike]

Kevin Boothe. Get well soon, Shaun O'hara and Dave Diehl :(

[Evil Vito]

Shitty first game at the new stadium. Being in a blackout was hilarious though. First a few lights went off for a quick delay, then pitch black for about 30 seconds. Was ridiculous, I couldn't even see the people next to me. Then finally the emergency lights went on.

[McLegend]

Good job Cowboys.

[DrA]

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/j_kitna_101114_CP.jpg

[Nark Order]

lol. Poor SammyG.

[James Steele]

The Rams need to run the fucking ball more. You can't expect to win when you throw 30+ times in 7 of your 9 games with a rookie QB. Steven Jackson is your fucking RB...use him. He has only had three 100+ yard games.

Shit pisses me off with the Cowboys, you have 3 damn good backs but you never fucking use them and the Vikings don't use Adrian Peterson nowhere near enough.

[ClockShot]

Denver finally decided to play decent football for a change.

[Kris P Lettus]

Pats D looking good..

[weather vane]

PHINS

[IC Champion]

The Rams need to run the fucking ball more. You can't expect to win when you throw 30+ times in 7 of your 9 games with a rookie QB. Steven Jackson is your fucking RB...use him. He has only had three 100+ yard games.

Shit pisses me off with the Cowboys, you have 3 damn good backs but you never fucking use them and the Vikings don't use Adrian Peterson nowhere near enough.

The running game is dying. 10 years ago only Peyton Manning would ever line up in shotgun on first down, now pretty much every team does it

[James Steele]

The running game is dying. 10 years ago only Peyton Manning would ever line up in shotgun on first down, now pretty much every team does it

With a team like the Rams, you suck comparatively so you need to shorten the fucking game and take away possessions from the other team. Football 101

[IC Champion]

With a team like the Rams, you suck comparatively so you need to shorten the fucking game and take away possessions from the other team. Football 101

I know, it's smart. But it's a different game now, that is becoming a dying philosophy. Teams opt for screen passes and checks downs to backs rather than running and trying to grind out the game.

[D Mac]

Chiefs need to go work on their fucking defense that's for sure.

[Hanso Amore]

YAY BILLS.......











My life sucks

[Razzamajazz]

lol lions

[D Mac]

Well Roxer, your Cardinals come to Arrowhead next week. If we lost to the fucking likes of Arizona, I will kill myself.

[Gonzo]

Shitty first game at the new stadium. Being in a blackout was hilarious though. First a few lights went off for a quick delay, then pitch black for about 30 seconds. Was ridiculous, I couldn't even see the people next to me. Then finally the emergency lights went on.

My dad and I left shortly after the black out. A fight broke out in our section that was brewing for some time. It was freaky as hell when the stadium went black.

I just can't wrap my head around how you let another NFL team out play and out coach you to that degree. I'm sure every team has a game or two like that every year, but fuck.

[Evil Vito]

My dad and I left shortly after the black out. A fight broke out in our section that was brewing for some time. It was freaky as hell when the stadium went black.

I just can't wrap my head around how you let another NFL team out play and out coach you to that degree. I'm sure every team has a game or two like that every year, but fuck.

<font color=goldenrod>I was surprised at the number of people who left right after the blackout. There was still a whole quarter and a half of football to be played. My guess is that a lot of people worried another blackout would happen and the game would get delayed even further.

Marking out over Nicks' TD only to have it overturned was fucking heartwrenching. Left right after the next play when Eli fumbled.

Amazing what one penalty can do to change the game. McKenzie can't be on the team next year. Though I couldn't tell if it was blatant or not. Holding occurs on every NFL play so I really don't know what the refs look for to actually throw the flag.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Stay classy, Todd Haley

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Overall, not impressed with the new stadium. It looks like a goddamn prison from the outside, and the interior is retardedly designed. After going up one escalator you need to walk across a whole concourse to get to the next one instead of them all being grouped together. They have TV screens right smack in the middle of the concourses so people just stand there and watch and fuck up traffic flow. And in the bathroom there were two urinals that were fully kitty-cornered, making it impossible to use both at the same time.

Seats we had were farther to the left of midfield than before, and way higher up. Where we are now is about the equivalent of the top row at the old stadium. Plus the upper deck is so much farther back. Hard to see shit at times.</font>

[The Gold Standard]

In fantasy football I am up 1, with no one left an my opponent still has mendenhall for the rest of tonights game, and McCoy in tomorrows game. I think it is safe to say that I will lose this week.

[Emperor Smeat]

Almost a brawl occurred after Brady sneaked his way into another TD and then got the crowd riled up with a taunt.

Might have been Harrison that was one of the people in the attempted brawl.

[parkmania]

So glad the Steelers decided to show up tonight.

:mad:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well Roxer, your Cardinals come to Arrowhead next week. If we lost to the fucking likes of Arizona, I will kill myself.

LOL @ you turning into a complete dickhead the one year the Chiefs have a decent start to the season. Completely classless. Be proud of yourself.

[Kris P Lettus]

Mike Wallace is a grown man..

[Gonzo]

<font color=goldenrod>I was surprised at the number of people who left right after the blackout. There was still a whole quarter and a half of football to be played. My guess is that a lot of people worried another blackout would happen and the game would get delayed even further.

Marking out over Nicks' TD only to have it overturned was fucking heartwrenching. Left right after the next play when Eli fumbled.

Amazing what one penalty can do to change the game. McKenzie can't be on the team next year. Though I couldn't tell if it was blatant or not. Holding occurs on every NFL play so I really don't know what the refs look for to actually throw the flag.</font>

Yeah, my dad and I just decided to go because if the game got delayed we wouldn't have gotten home until just now. Plus, there were fights breaking out big time in our section. About 6 or 7 people got thrown out.

[Ermaximus]

Horrible ending for the Texans since the defense did everything correct on the hail mary pass but unlucky since a Jags WR caught the ball after it was swatted in the air.

Meanwhile Buffalo finally wins its first game of the year.

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Come on, this was clearly a right place at the right time moment.

Sucks though because we host the Brows next week and I see Hillis running all over us with Kampman out for the season.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The Texans will probably never make the playoffs.</font>

[Ermaximus]

<font color=goldenrod>The Texans will probably never make the playoffs.</font>

Not until they fix their secondary. Also, Matt Schaub is NOT the answer. He's good, but he's not great.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

[Emperor Smeat]

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Come on, this was clearly a right place at the right time moment.

Sucks though because we host the Brows next week and I see Hillis running all over us with Kampman out for the season.

Yeah meant horrible for the Texans since the player did the correct thing by swatting and not trying to catch it. For the Jaguars, it was a great play since their player is right at the spot where the ball gets deflected.

End result was a huge win for the Jaguars and a horrible loss for the Texans.

[FearedSanctity]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/701477/gyi0062469583.jpg

u mad?

[D Mac]

LOL @ you turning into a complete dickhead the one year the Chiefs have a decent start to the season. Completely classless. Be proud of yourself.

blow me

[Supreme Olajuwon]

classy

[Ermaximus]

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

You make a damn good point.

[Skippord]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/701477/gyi0062469583.jpg

u mad?
Todd Haley should be the angry lieutenant in the next Lethal Weapon movie

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Really hope that somebody happened to have their camera running when the full blackpout happened. Was just hilarious seeing a massive, billion dollar stadium go fully dark.

Kinda doubt it though.</font>

[VonErichLives]

<font color=goldenrod>After going up one escalator you need to walk across a whole concourse to get to the next one instead of them all being grouped together. </font>

Not sure why they're that far apart but a few "newer" stadiums from the 90's or 2000's have issues because they're grouped together like going down stairs and people tend to hesitate a step before getting on so when leaving and getting on the 2nd one it causes a bottle neck while people are thrown off the first. I remember being at the Staples Center in LA back in 1999 and it was an issue of people being crushed and I noticed AA in Miami has the same design.

[VonErichLives]

So, we meet again.... Pats v. Colts... now we're back in Foxboro... doesn't sound like weather will be an issue... should be a good game... Still a young defense, if anyone can expose them it's Peyton...

the AFC is wide open... the Jets can write their ticket for the Division and probably #1 seed if they beat the Pats in NE... the Pats need to beat the Colts this week and the Jets to do the same.

I have a feeling the AFC East and probably the AFC #1 seed will come down to "like opponents"

[SammyG]

Rams really got screwed by that BULLSHIT PI call

[Innovator]

O-line just fell apart yesterday, from the holding calls to Boothe not reporting in. I miss O'Hara and Diehl. The 48 yard TD catch called back was brutal.

With that said, hopefully the loss wakes up the team.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Donovan McNabb gets a 5 year, $78 million extension with Washington, $40 million guaranteed


wait... what?

[IC Champion]

LOL, Washington.

LOL, McNabb.

Seriously, who gives him a 5 year extension? The way Donovan is viewed around the league I thought he'd be lucky to get a 2 year deal with a team like Arizona.

[Nervous Ferret]

Goddamn Chad Pennington. Feel so awful for him

[Emperor Smeat]

Donovan McNabb gets a 5 year, $78 million extension with Washington, $40 million guaranteed


wait... what?

I'm not surprised since it is Washington and they've done a lot of :wtf: deals before.

The money is the worst part since he's guaranteed at least $8 million a year that could rise as high as over $15 million a year.

[Gonzo]

Yeah I know what Vito is talking about but VEL is probably right. You have to walk the length of the escalators to the bottom of the next one, but it is probably designed to prevent build up near the top/bottom of the escalators. They get backed up a bit as it is when people are entering/exiting.

[Team Sheep]

I found getting out of the stadium to be pretty bad. Took a good 20 minutes at least just to get outside. Fans just completely gridlock the 'zig-zag' style ramps out. I get out of Wembley and the Millennium Stadiums in less than 5 minutes.

[Nervous Ferret]

I defend Mcnabb more often than not and I think that contract is totally absurd.

Lol@ the redskins though, this is terrible

[Londoner]

Wow wtf LOL

[Gonzo]

I found getting out of the stadium to be pretty bad. Took a good 20 minutes at least just to get outside. Fans just completely gridlock the 'zig-zag' style ramps out. I get out of Wembley and the Millennium Stadiums in less than 5 minutes.

I can see that. Now that my Dad and I have gone down a bunch of times, we get out of there in a few minutes, tops.

[Evil Vito]

I found getting out of the stadium to be pretty bad. Took a good 20 minutes at least just to get outside. Fans just completely gridlock the 'zig-zag' style ramps out. I get out of Wembley and the Millennium Stadiums in less than 5 minutes.

<font color=goldenrod>It actually only took us about 5 minutes to get out of the stadium, fortunately there is a proper set of stairs right next to our section so we booked it down there really quickly.</font></font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Of course I'm playing Michael Vick in 3 out of 4 games tonight. Fucking douchebag.</font>

[Londoner]

AHAHAHAHAHA


WE WANT 100!

[McLegend]

Michael Vick>Your quarterback

[Gonzo]

God damn. Just read on ESPN that Steve Smith is going to be out for a least a month. Ramses Barden is out for the year too. Reynaud is hurt (and probably doesn't know the offense anyway.) Victor Cruz is hurt.

The Giants will probably have to bring Derek Hagan back.

What the fuck...

[DrA]

That game looked like something out of Madden 2005.

[owenbrown]

lol

[Kris P Lettus]

Michael Vick>Your quarterback

He is gooand I am happy for him that he is playing so well but, no..

[DaveWadding]

Apparently, the way McNabb's contract is structured is he get's a $3.5 million bonus right now, but if they cut him after season, they don't owe him any more money.

[Kris P Lettus]

They won't cut him cause they can't get another qb next year with the cba..

[Evil Vito]

God damn. Just read on ESPN that Steve Smith is going to be out for a least a month. Ramses Barden is out for the year too. Reynaud is hurt (and probably doesn't know the offense anyway.) Victor Cruz is hurt.

The Giants will probably have to bring Derek Hagan back.

What the fuck...

<font color=goldenrod>Fuck.</font>

[Ermaximus]

Steelers just cut Jeff Reed. Guess I need to find a backup kicker for my fantasy team now. Granted Reed will surely end up with the Bengals.

[Team Sheep]

We'll have him. Well I dunno, he's not that good, but anyone but Nick Folk. Got a horrible feeling he will cost the Jets something big down the line...

[RoXer]

Fuck you

[Nervous Ferret]

I've never played smash brothers with Jeff reed's brother

[Droford]

Steelers just cut Jeff Reed. Guess I need to find a backup kicker for my fantasy team now. Granted Reed will surely end up with the Bengals.

Im gonna side with a (now former Steeler) and say it wasn't his fault.

Heinz field, especially the one end of the stadium, is death for FGs and Im fairly sure that they purposely dont maintain the field as well as they should for an advantage (like the Patriots do).

[Emperor Smeat]

He was definitely half-assing it during the Pats game, especially with the extra point but he does have a case about the field being all torn up and loose. Surprised there hasn't been a lot of injuries from the field itself and the Steelers defense itself has no problem with the field.

I think he was averaging about 1 missed FG per game and most were inside the 30 yard line which hurts more than if these were the 40-50 yard misses.

[McLegend]

He is gooand I am happy for him that he is playing so well but, no..

Your wrong, but ok.

[Kris P Lettus]

Michael Vick is not a better qb than Drew Brees..

[McLegend]

You mean the QB that plays at least 9 games in a dome? This year and as of right now Michael Vick is better than anyone in the NFL.

Will he continue to be this great. I don't know.

[Innovator]

They should give the MVP award to Vick right now, Michael Vick wins football games

[IC Champion]

You mean the QB that plays at least 9 games in a dome? This year and as of right now Michael Vick is better than anyone in the NFL.

Will he continue to be this great. I don't know.

LOL, he's not on Tom Brady or Peyton Mannings level, let's be real here. He's only played in 4 full games this season.

[James Steele]

You mean the QB that plays at least 9 games in a dome? This year and as of right now Michael Vick is better than anyone in the NFL.

Will he continue to be this great. I don't know.

The Lions,Rams, and Cowboys will tell you that a dome don't mean shit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Drew Brees was good in San Diego too.. Maybe you could see that if you climb out from under Vick's satchel..

[FearedSanctity]

Awaiting the imminent bomb game from Vick that'll cause the Philly fans to call for Kolb

Also, seriously? Putting Vick above the likes of Manning, Brady and Brees? I'd MAYBE put him in the class with Orton of "good and getting there"

[Skippord]

I'd put Orton in the class of "baddest motherfucker alive"

[FearedSanctity]

"Best beard in show"

[McLegend]

LOL, he's not on Tom Brady or Peyton Mannings level, let's be real here. He's only played in 4 full games this season.

He's currently playing better than any QB in the league. Saying that isn't a stretch.

[McLegend]

The Lions,Rams, and Cowboys will tell you that a dome don't mean shit.

It clearly means something. Just look at how good Eli Manning is when he is a dome. He is an entirely different QB when he plays in the wind at the meadowlands. It means so much.

[Kris P Lettus]

4 games

[McLegend]

I am being a completely subjective football fan here.

He is unreal. He is making everything look easy. It like watching Michael Jordan play basketball. Watching Michael Vick play QB is beautiful thing.

I swear to God

[McLegend]

4 games
So like I fuckin said he is currently playing the best out of every other player.

[Kris P Lettus]

Adrian Foster Rushed for over 200 yards week one against the colts, doesn't mean he is a better RB than chris johnson..

[Jeritron]

Give me a break

[McLegend]

If he did it over 4 games people then people would say "Arian Foster is having a better year than Chris Johnson so far."

Michael Vick is having a better year than any QB so far this year.

[Kris P Lettus]

Still doesn't mak him>"my quarterback".. He needs to win a super bowl, which a running qb has never done, then he can be in the same category as the likes of Brees..

[Skippord]

If he did it over 4 games people then people would say "Arian Foster is having a better year than Chris Johnson so far."

Michael Vick is having a better year than any QB so far this year.
http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PhilipRivers.jpg

[McLegend]

I did forget Phillip Rivers. Who has been great. I'm still saying Vick.

The whole runnings aspect puts Vick ahead.

[Jeritron]

I'll stick with "my" quarterback

[McLegend]

As you should he's great. He was as close to perfect as you can possibly Sunday night on the road against The Steelers.

[Jeritron]

Michael Vick had an incredible game, and his season is going great, but I still am not sold on it lasting.
We'll see. It's just funny how after that one game the sports world is now crowning the guy. I suppose that's only natural though, since it was a national game last night and that's what they do.

And in any event I wouldn't really trade the Patriots quarterback since they're in decent shape. Brady's got 17 touchdowns and a shit-ton of yards too, but that's just statistics. The intangibles concern me more. As long as he gets to the playoffs and perform there I'm not too concerned about much else.

Plus I will forever hate Vick with every fiber of my being, regardless of his performance ont he field, because of what he did.
I don't disagree with "second chances" either. He should be able to play since he served his time legally, but I still don't think that absolves him morally.

[RoXer]

Saying that isn't a stretch.

You probly said "BOOO" as Austin Collie was being carted off on a stretcher

[McLegend]

That was weak. You can dis me better then that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

McLegend, I think you're wrong, but I don't think you're THAT wrong. I don't think there's any question in my mind that Vick is the most talented player in the NFL. And he probably still has the strongest arm of any QB, although Jamarcus Russell and Kyle Boller can tell you that doesn't mean shit.

[McLegend]

So far he's been accurate. He's done everything better then anyone has expected.

On a Minor side not... Watching Michael Vick throw a deep ball is incredible. It looks like he hardly puts any effort into it. He just flicks his wrist and it goes 60 yards.

I love it.

[Loose Cannon]

The pregame altercation got us going. It had us ready. We came back into the locker room pumped," Jackson said, via the AP.

"We were like pit bulls, ready to get out of the cage."

-Deshawn Jackson

[Kris P Lettus]

Irony..

[McLegend]

That was a dumb thing to say.

[Innovator]

He did have a serious concussion, but cmon DeSean

[IC Champion]

Michael Vick had an incredible game, and his season is going great, but I still am not sold on it lasting.
We'll see. It's just funny how after that one game the sports world is now crowning the guy. I suppose that's only natural though, since it was a national game last night and that's what they do.

And in any event I wouldn't really trade the Patriots quarterback since they're in decent shape. Brady's got 17 touchdowns and a shit-ton of yards too, but that's just statistics. The intangibles concern me more. As long as he gets to the playoffs and perform there I'm not too concerned about much else.

Plus I will forever hate Vick with every fiber of my being, regardless of his performance ont he field, because of what he did.
I don't disagree with "second chances" either. He should be able to play since he served his time legally, but I still don't think that absolves him morally.

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about what he did?

[Gonzo]

I don't really care if you want to grant Vick the distinction of best quarterback or not. To me, arguing who gets that title is splitting hairs. I will say this, he is the last guy I want to be playing quarterback for the opposition based upon the high level he is currently playing at. The guy is a nightmare to defend. He has always been a superb athlete, but the way he is making throws and playing from the pocket now catapults him to unknown levels. I think the only way to really definitively beat him is to knock him out of the game. I wouldn't wish that upon anyone, but if I remember correctly, the Giants beat the Falcons years ago when he got knocked out of the game.

Otherwise, the dude is an absolute beast. He is playing just as good as any other quarterback in the league right now, if not better. Nobody can argue that. If you try, you're just a homer.

[VonErichLives]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about what he did?

possible... it was more then just dog fighting the stories of dogs being electrocuted to either train or kill them... it was cruel torture on helpless animals.


that said, doesn't mean he isn't a talented QB and fun to watch... just means I enjoy watching his talent but don't like him as a person.

[Gonzo]

Honestly, I don't give a shit about the dog fighting. I have five dogs too, so don't go there. There are NFL players that have killed people that are playing, and nobody threw a shit fit like they did over Michael Vick (speaking generally, not just here at TPWW.) It's a joke.

[Kris P Lettus]

If you try, you're just a homer.

Skippord said Phillip rivers and he is a Broncos fan..

[FearedSanctity]

Well, yeah but that's because Kyle Orton is so far and away the best QB that it should go without saying






:shifty:

[IC Champion]

Honestly, I don't give a shit about the dog fighting. I have five dogs too, so don't go there. There are NFL players that have killed people that are playing, and nobody threw a shit fit like they did over Michael Vick (speaking generally, not just here at TPWW.) It's a joke.

I know, athletes have been accused to rape, sexual assault, and even murder, and those rarly get mentioned when compared to Vick. Dante Stollworth managed to kill a person while driving drunk. I think the fact Vick was a young black quaterback who was living the dream had something to do with it.

[Kris P Lettus]

Stallworth wasn't??

[IC Champion]

Yes, Stallworth.

[James Steele]

I know, athletes have been accused to rape, sexual assault, and even murder, and those rarly get mentioned when compared to Vick. Dante Stollworth managed to kill a person while driving drunk. I think the fact Vick was a young black quaterback who was living the dream had something to do with it.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/RaceCardSharpJack.jpg

[IC Champion]

C'mon JS. I would never play the race card. So please add something, or go fuck yourself.

[James Steele]

I think the fact Vick was a young black quaterback who was living the dream had something to do with it.

What is that then?

[Kris P Lettus]

What you said doesn't make sense.. You said that Vick gets treated differently cause he is young, black, and rich but the guys you are separating him from are in the exact same situation..

[Skippord]

Skippord said Phillip rivers and he is a Broncos fan..
and I really hate Phillip Rivers

fucking spectacular though

[Innovator]

"CC Brown on deadspin list of NFLs worst 100: 'F that list and F them too.'" [Twitter]

[Gonzo]

Skippord said Phillip rivers and he is a Broncos fan..

Yeah I just meant if someone tried to say "insert your favorite team's QB" was definitively better. I look at like this: I would rather play against Peyton Manning or Drew Brees than Michael Vick. To me, I'm not trying to slight Manning or Brees because they are both excellent quarterbacks. Right now, Vick is throwing the ball as well as anyone (even if he doesn't throw up equivalent numbers, for example 300+ yards and 3 touchdowns passing.) The fact he can take off at any time just makes him harder to defend. I mean, I know none of this is a revelation to anyone. But am I making sense?

At least with some of the other quarterbacks, who are less mobile, you have a chance to disrupt their game by getting to them and laying hits on them etc. With Vick, that is so much more of a harder thing to do, which is why I feel that he is the last guy I would want playing quarterback against my favorite team.

I know, athletes have been accused to rape, sexual assault, and even murder, and those rarly get mentioned when compared to Vick. Dante Stollworth managed to kill a person while driving drunk. I think the fact Vick was a young black quaterback who was living the dream had something to do with it.

I think maybe things had a little bit to do with the fact he plays quarterback, given the attention that is given to the position in general. I think it mostly had to do with the fact it was a case of gross animal abuse, and people are out of their fucking minds about that stuff. I think the acts were reprehensible, but there are guys that have killed human beings who got nowhere near the amount of scrutiny and public outcry. At the end of the day, Vick did his time, and by all accounts is active in speaking to the community against his past actions. Can he take back what he did? No, but he can certainly do what he can to make peace.

"CC Brown on deadspin list of NFLs worst 100: 'F that list and F them too.'" [Twitter]

haahhahahaha good.

[IC Champion]

What you said doesn't make sense.. You said that Vick gets treated differently cause he is young, black, and rich but the guys you are separating him from are in the exact same situation..

The difference is he isn't a third down reciever, he is a quarterback in the NFL. The most visible position in the NFL.

[IC Champion]

You think if the Eagles drafted a black WR instead of McNabb he would have been booed? Maybe it was because they didn't take Ricky Williams. There has always been a different scrutiny in the NFL when it comes to black quarterbacks. The same way there was for black MLB before the 60's. I can't help it if certain parts of America still think it's only halftime of the Civil War.

[IC Champion]

What is that then?

An observation, something you are incapable to make on your own. Now go play with your sponge blocks Jimmy.

[James Steele]

Of course, I'm just some dumb racist hick. :y:

[IC Champion]

Of course, I'm just some dumb racist hick. :y:

Those comments weren't directed at you, you don't strike me as an actual racist, just someone who happens to live in Texas.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Playing the race card simply means you brought up race as an issue in a discussion that wasn't about race. You clearly did that. Dunno why you're getting bent out of shape about it.

[IC Champion]

Playing the race card simply means you brought up race as an issue in a discussion that wasn't about race. You clearly did that. Dunno why you're getting bent out of shape about it.

K.

[IC Champion]

My point was there is a different scrutiny for black players at that position, there always has been, it's sad, but it's true. From Warren Moon to McNabb. That was my point, not a lame attempt to play the race card.

[IC Champion]

I'm not saying it's just because he is black, as there are black athletes who have done worse, and aren't nearly as talked about.

[Gonzo]

I don't really know that anyone brings up the fact that a quarterback is black anymore when making qualitative judgments regarding their play. The last thing I can remember was when Rush Limbaugh made comments about Donovan McNabb, but Limbaugh was just an ass and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[IC Champion]

I think it has more to do with that he was a quarterback and such a big star at the time more than anything. I know you would like to believe race doesn't play a factor, but this is a nation where 35% of the population thought Obama was a Kenyan and Muslim.

[James Steele]

Also the nation where 79% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama just because he was African-American.

[James Steele]

OH LOOK, I PULLED A STAT OUT OF MY ASS TOO!!!!!!!!!

[IC Champion]

Also the nation where 79% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama just because he was African-American.

I'm sorry, I was over-zealous, it's more like 20% think he's a muslim.

[Gonzo]

I think it has more to do with that he was a quarterback and such a big star at the time more than anything. I know who would like to believe race doesn't play a factor, but this is a nation where 35% of the population thought Obama was a Kenyan and Muslim.

I think it had everything to do with the fact he was a quarterback, a good one at that, or back then, at least a dynamic, exciting player that was always talked about.

Also the nation where 79% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama just because he was African-American.

Yeah, as far as that goes, it goes both ways. Unfortunately there are a number of things that will be effected along racial lines for generations to come because of the culture fostered through this nation's development.

Regardless, race doesn't really have anything to do with this situation. Black quarterbacks may have been heavily scrutinized 20 or 30 years ago, but not today.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

My point was there is a different scrutiny for black players at that position, there always has been, it's sad, but it's true. From Warren Moon to McNabb. That was my point, not a lame attempt to play the race card.

Bro, I dunno what you're not getting about this. If you introduce race into a discussion that is not about race, that is playing the race card. Nobody was talking about Mike Vick's race before you brought it up. You introduced race into the discussion. You played the race card. It's not a condemnation of your opinion.

[IC Champion]

Bro, I dunno what you're not getting about this. If you introduce race into a discussion that is not about race, that is playing the race card. Nobody was talking about Mike Vick's race before you brought it up. You introduced race into the discussion. You played the race card. It's not a condemnation of your opinion.

Ok, I understand what you are saying, I rushed to a judgment.

[IC Champion]

Regardless, race doesn't really have anything to do with this situation. Black quarterbacks may have been heavily scrutinized 20 or 30 years ago, but not today.

It still happens, just not in the way it did 20 or 30 years ago, and certainly not as openly.

[IC Champion]

It's the same as with black head coaches, particulary at the college level, and if not for the Rooney Rule, possibly still in the pros. Is it as bad as 20, or 30 years ago? No.But it's still harder for a black coach to get hired over a white one evidently.

[James Steele]

How about instead of using race for a job qualification, we just determine to hire them if they are good at there job.

[IC Champion]

How about instead of using race for a job qualification, we just determine to hire them if they are good at there job.

If only it were so simple.

[James Steele]

If only it were so simple.

It is that simple, but people want to create something out of nothing and destroy peoples' careers by labeling them racists.

[IC Champion]

It is that simple, but people want to create something out of nothing and destroy peoples' careers by labeling them racists.

That is exactly why.

[James Steele]

That is exactly why..

What is right about hiring any man over another man just because of race?

[James Steele]

How will we ever truly make progress if we keep trying to "make things right" from the past? We can't continue to make everything about black and white and expect to move past that.

[Kris P Lettus]

You think if the Eagles drafted a black WR instead of McNabb he would have been booed? Maybe it was because they didn't take Ricky Williams. There has always been a different scrutiny in the NFL when it comes to black quarterbacks. The same way there was for black MLB before the 60's. I can't help it if certain parts of America still think it's only halftime of the Civil War.

It was def cause they didnt draft Ricky Williams..

[IC Champion]

It was def cause they didnt draft Ricky Williams..

Maybe, but it's not like he was ever warmly recieived after that either.

[James Steele]

Philly fans are just fucking asshole scum anyway. They fucking boo'd an injured player who got carried off on a stretcher.

[Gonzo]

I hate affirmative action because I think it perpetuates racial issues. I feel that the best man or woman should be hired for the job, end of story. The NFL should investigate if they believe a team would deliberately interview only white candidates versus a minority, but to mandate that minorities must be interviewed keeps the issue alive, in my opinion.

Now, don't get me twisted, because I have nothing against a minority head coach. How do you think it feels to a minority if they are the one brought in to comply with an affirmative action rule? Especially in a situation where they know that the team may already have someone in mind? They know that they're just going through the motions. And that's bullshit. To me, I think that's a slap in the face, and worse than not being interviewed at all.

[Evil Vito]

I hate affirmative action because I think it perpetuates racial issues. I feel that the best man or woman should be hired for the job, end of story. The NFL should investigate if they believe a team would deliberately interview only white candidates versus a minority, but to mandate that minorities must be interviewed keeps the issue alive, in my opinion.

Now, don't get me twisted, because I have nothing against a minority head coach. How do you think it feels to a minority if they are the one brought in to comply with an affirmative action rule? Especially in a situation where they know that the team may already have someone in mind? They know that they're just going through the motions. And that's bullshit. To me, I think that's a slap in the face, and worse than not being interviewed at all.

<font color=goldenrod>Definitely. Fucking hate the Rooney Rule. Yet if a black guy is the first person you interview, you don't need to interview anybody of any other race.

I don't care if my head coach is white, black, yellow, red, brown, or green. Just get me someone who wins.</font>

[OssMan]

I can't watch football on a Thursday unless it's Thanksgiving

[Droford]

I can't watch football on a Thursday unless it's Thanksgiving
Even though it was a Ravens game and Im biased, for the most part last weeks game was at least entertaining.

This game is basically watching the Bears suck and the Dolphins suck even more.

Who wants it less?!!

[weather vane]

the NFL is so gay

[glanville6]

Da Bears!

[OssMan]

You may now post a picture of yourself and Brian Urlacher

[weather vane]

GAY

THIGPEN IS GAY

[SammyG]

NIGGAS

[Droford]

http://lulzimg.com/i8/853f84c4.png

WTF Nike?

seriously

WTF? (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/25894337/0/1)

[FearedSanctity]

I can dig the Broncos, Ravens, Rams and Saints.

But the rest of that shit is embarrassingly disgusting.

[Droford]

Oh good, they're fake.

I was worried for a minute, though I didnt mind the Ravens one.

And the Steelers helmet looking like gold steel was kind of..interesting

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah, only thing real about this is that Nike will in fact be the maker of NFL uniforms in 2012.

[OssMan]

tom brady becomes a black man when he puts on the new uniform

[Droford]

Mike Williams of the Bucs got arrested for DUI ...whoops

[Team Sheep]

Will be weird to see Reebok go.

[Gonzo]

There is no way in hell the NFL would let anyone come in and do that with the jerseys.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I would rather the players be naked than have to look at those monstrosities</font>

[Innovator]

Shiancoe would be all for that

[Ermaximus]

http://lulzimg.com/i8/078e1d0b.png

Like the Jaguars need anymore reasons to be mocked and ridiculed?

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints one is sick..

[Skippord]

the Cardinals one is badass

[Crimson]

The Panthers one looked cool

[SammyG]

Terrified of the game against the ATL today

[IC Champion]

Should be, Bradford is gonna get rocked.

[IC Champion]

See what happens when the Rams play a real time, having said that, with my luck the Rams will blow Atlanta out.

[Kris P Lettus]

That would be awesome..

Go Rams!!

:shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

Why is there no double header today??

I got Jets/Texans now on CBS then Saints/Seahawks at 3 on FOX..

WHy no second AFC or NFC game??

[Crimson]

CBS should have the doubleheader this week..we have raiders/steelers then colts/pats

[IC Champion]

LOL, the Shannahans are a coaching joke. When will people realize that Shannahan had nothing to do with Denver winning those two superbowls.

[Kris P Lettus]

CBS should have the doubleheader this week..we have raiders/steelers then colts/pats

I got Texans/Jets then paid programming for P90X then some old clips from Dean Martins variety show then 60 Minutes..

Who is in charge of this?? Local CBS affiliate or Direct TV??

[Kris P Lettus]

So yeah, I guess I'm not gonna get to see the Colts/Pats game..

I emailed and called the local CBS affiliate..

[RoXer]

You won't be watching the Saints?

[OssMan]

It's the NFL who decides what games to show in every area, not whatever your local stations are. If your local team is home, there can't be any game being aired against it. Since the Saints have the late game, that is going to be the only game on. Sorry.

[Kris P Lettus]

That is not true.. They show a double header every week with a game on CBS during the Saints games..

[OssMan]

Yes, CBS has a double header, but since the Saints are home and have the late game, you're not going to see the second game of it.

[Kris P Lettus]

You won't be watching the Saints?

Yes but I flip back and forth if it's a good AFC game.. We, as fans, get 5 games a week (6 with NFL Network Thurs night games..

I only get 3 today..

[OssMan]

St. Louis and San Francisco aren't seeing the Colts/Patriots game either if that makes you happy.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yes, CBS has a double header, but since the Saints are home and have the late game, you're not going to see the second game of it.

But when the Saints have a noon game, CBS shows a game against it, regardless of double of single header..

[FearedSanctity]

Pretty sure this isn't true, as I can remember plenty of times the Cowboys playing on Fox (almost always an early game) and CBS still showing the double header

[Kris P Lettus]

This is the first time in the history of the rotational double header, they have just plain out not shown a game that is supposed to be broadcast..

[Kris P Lettus]

Assman is wrong..

[RoXer]

When the home team is being shown on the network with the NFL single game, the doubleheader station can only air one of its games. When this happens, there are only two games shown in the market. However, when the home team is being shown on the network with the NFL doubleheader, all three games can air in the same market. [10

[FearedSanctity]

And wtf? Even right now, living in VA, Skins and Titans on Fox, Raiders and Steelers on CBS with Colts/Pats later

[OssMan]

But when the Saints have a noon game, CBS shows a game against it, regardless of double of single header..
Where do you live exactly? The rules may differ slightly depending on if you actually live in New Orleans itself or somewhere close to it like Mississippi

[OssMan]

And wtf? Even right now, living in VA, Skins and Titans on Fox, Raiders and Steelers on CBS with Colts/Pats later
I live in Northern Virginia and the Skins and Titans are on FOX, and since the Skins are away, they are showing Baltimore vs. Carolina, since Baltimore is the "secondary" local team, and the Colts/Patriots afterwards.

[OssMan]

http://the506.com/sports/?p=458

Look at those maps. The Saints haven't had a home game with another game showing opposite of it in New Orleans all year.

[OssMan]

This is the first time in the history of the rotational double header, they have just plain out not shown a game that is supposed to be broadcast..
Come on

[FearedSanctity]

I live in Northern Virginia and the Skins and Titans are on FOX, and since the Skins are away, they are showing Baltimore vs. Carolina, since Baltimore is the "secondary" local team, and the Colts/Patriots afterwards.

I can't fucking figure out the secondary team here in Roanoke. One week it's Baltimore, then it's Pitt, sometimes it's Tennessee. Never seen a Carolina game though. Fox always has Skins and Dallas

[Razzamajazz]

dem gosh darn packers don'cha know

so glad i'm not watching this game

[Kris P Lettus]

There have been games show against the Saints games when its the CBS double header..

[Team Sheep]

Lol fucking dumbass running on the field at the Jets game.

[Kris P Lettus]

ahahaha Awesome..

[Team Sheep]

Woooooo!

[Kris P Lettus]

Dan Deardorf acting like the guy shit on a baby..

[D Mac]

Barring a miracle by the Cards, looks like KC will get a much needed win. Good job guys. This is Chiefs football.

And lol at the stupid Bungles.

[D Mac]

WOOOOO CHIEFS

[Team Sheep]

What the fuck.

[D Mac]

Vikings lose again. Is this how Favre's legacy is going to end?

[Loose Cannon]

un fucking belivable.

[Team Sheep]

At the moment I'm hoping the Jets don't win the division because we're fucking shit at home.

[Team Sheep]

HOLY FUCKKKKK

[Loose Cannon]

EDWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loose Cannon]

COME ON BABY

[The Gold Standard]

Wow.