Football Talk 2004/2005 (Soccer)

[toxic rooster]

They're not incapable of challenging, they only finished, what, 5 points off arsenal who won it 3 years ago?

[Cactus Sid]

Rafa's got a 5 year plan, and I believe that within 5 years we will be definite challengers for the title.

I think next season might be a bit too much for us, Chelsea are gonna get some top quality this summer, and you can expect Arsenal and United to be closer to them next season.

It all depends who we get in, and who we get rid of over the summer. But if anyone is gonna get us going, its Rafa.

[The Mask]

Liverpool are currently 33 points from being top of the table and 24 from being relegated.

[Dazz]

Chelsea players to dye hair blue?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005202687,00.html

[Y2Ant]

Hahaha, that would be quality.

Have you seen Chelsea's kit for next season :o

Looks pretty hot, Samsung are the new sponsors, and Fly Emirates are going to Arsenal :wtf:

Oh yeah, the place where my mum works is making the carpets for the new Arsenal stadium, since they are like the #1 carpet manufacturer in the UK or some shit, thought that was pretty cool. I should ask them to get me some season tickets as part of the deal :shifty:

[Dazz]

Hahaha, that would be quality.

Have you seen Chelsea's kit for next season :o

Looks pretty hot, Samsung are the new sponsors, and Fly Emirates are going to Arsenal :wtf:

Oh yeah, the place where my mum works is making the carpets for the new Arsenal stadium, since they are like the #1 carpet manufacturer in the UK or some shit, thought that was pretty cool. I should ask them to get me some season tickets as part of the deal :shifty:

The normal Samsung logo would have been shit hot, I don't like the way it's done. 06/07 when Adidas take over it will look ever better.

And you should piss on the carpets behind everyones back, that way you can be like ':cool: I pissed on those carpets once'

[yianni]

Guys, I have a question for you. But first could you read this (it's not long)

http://www.soccervictoria.org.au/portals/0/060505%20tribunal%20final.pdf (http://www.soccervictoria.org.au/portals/0/060505%20tribunal%20final.pdf)

My question to you guys is, can clubs/teams be docked points for crowd violence? I have heard from a few people that under FIFA law this is not allowed. Last year Olympiakos got a 6 point deduction yet appealed and won.


Does anyone know if South Melbourne (my club) can do the same?

[Dazz]

I dunno, it's up to the national federation I think. FIFa add their two cents into it, but I am not sure that they can stop it.

[toxic rooster]

http://www.arsenal.com/images/PreviousSite/root/h/henry_redcurrant_big.jpg

:'(

[yianni]

I dunno, it's up to the national federation I think. FIFa add their two cents into it, but I am not sure that they can stop it.
Fucking hope not. :n:

[Wengerland]

Not sure about the points deduction, i just thought crowd trouble results in hefty fines and a couple of behind closed doors matches. How bad was it then, or do Melbourne have a history of it? See you've signed Muscat anyway :-\

Frank Lampard won the football writers' player of the year award.

[Wengerland]

Dion and our reserve captain, who will be an Irish international in due course, have been offered new contracts :cool:

Nalis, Gillespie, Walker, Dabizas, Blake and Gemmill will be released.

Nalis is a sentimental thing, cause he wouldn't start, but i wanted him to stay. Gillespie's been great since Levein has taken over, won the fans' player of the season, so i'm not sure why he's gone either. I'm concerned we won't get a good enough replacement for Walks but he was on a big wage. The others i don't really care about, good riddance e.t.c

[yianni]

Not sure about the points deduction, i just thought crowd trouble results in hefty fines and a couple of behind closed doors matches. How bad was it then, or do Melbourne have a history of it? See you've signed Muscat anyway :-\
Ah I should clear some stuff up.

Melbourne (who signed Muscat) are in the national league.

The league South Melbourne and Preston are in is the Victorian state league.

Preston have a very bad history of violence whereas South Melbourne has been very good in recent years, they used to be bad in the early-mid 90s but it's toned down heaps in the last 10 years.

I can't see how we can be stripped of points if Olympiakos could appeal their 6 points deduction citing FIFA law and win. :?:

[Cactus Sid]

Usually I don't have a go at teams unless I have a damn good reason (unless its United or Harry Redknapp)

But Arsene Wenger can fuck off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4523051.stm

I've already explained that the bigger countries deserve more places, because it adds to the number of big clubs in the competition, and I'm sure he wont be complaining next season, if Liverpool have a blinder, United rebound and Chelsea are just as great, and his side finishes 4th.

Great that he completely contradicts himself as well, "Oh, England shouldn't have 4 places.....so its only fair that the 4th place side gets the Champions League place"

Fuck Off, if the side in 4th are "Lucky" to get the place, it SHOULD go to a side that wins the Champions League.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4522235.stm

He can also fuck off, because the rules HAVE been changed, last season the rules were clear in favour of Arsenal, now they have been changed against Liverpool.

I mean, I have said (maybe not on here) that if we don't finish 4th, then we don't deserve the place, but things like this piss me off. He wouldn't be saying the same thing if Arsenal were in that position.

[packt up]

Everton Deserve to be in.

But so do Liverpool if (and its a big if) they win.

[yianni]

They'll win and those conspiracy theories will be true. :eek:

[toxic rooster]

2-2 between Palace and southampton, southampton equalised right at the end, crowd not knowing what the fuck to do. Norwich beat Birmingham, so both teams now have to win on the last day I'd say.

Crouch got sent off for elbowing Sorondo in the head, Sorondo got sent off too, apparently for letting his head get in the way of Crouch's elbow.

Now because Norwich won, West Brom has to get a result against Man U tonight to stay alive. Fucking juicy relegation battle, I love it :y:

[Cactus Sid]

Torquay relegated :(

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Guys, I have a question for you. But first could you read this (it's not long)

http://www.soccervictoria.org.au/portals/0/060505%20tribunal%20final.pdf (http://www.soccervictoria.org.au/portals/0/060505%20tribunal%20final.pdf)

My question to you guys is, can clubs/teams be docked points for crowd violence? I have heard from a few people that under FIFA law this is not allowed. Last year Olympiakos got a 6 point deduction yet appealed and won.


Does anyone know if South Melbourne (my club) can do the same?
I don't think FIFA really have a say in it. The national association makes the rules for its own competition.

[Danny Electric]

Arsene Wenger is a dick, i think that was established a long time ago.

[Dazz]

two new anti-Arsenal songs.

VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah
VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah
He swings from tree to tree,
He's a fucking chimp-an-zeeeeeeeeee
VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah

The WengerBus is coming
And all the kids are running
Coz Arsene is the driver
he pays the kids a fiver.

In closing

CHAMPIONS

http://www.chelseafc.com/images/-MATCHES0405/charlton_h1.jpg

CHAMPIONS

http://www.chelseafc.com/images/-MATCHES0405/charlton_h4.jpg

CHAMPIONS

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HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MAKA SCORE A GOAL
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MAKA SCORE A GOAL
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN MAKA
EVER SEEN MAKA
EVER SEEN MAKA SCORE A GOAL

YES WE HAVE

[Jacko]

http://img57.echo.cx/img57/8360/p10105835kk.jpg

[Dazz]

EAST STAND, GIVE US A SONG
EAST STAND EAST STAND GIVE US A SONG.

Pretty cool picture, I am swiping that one.

Also get into casual and see mine threads lad.

[Dazz]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTH

http://img125.echo.cx/img125/2835/huthdrives28uq.png

[Jacko]

I agree East Stand is so fucking crap. Lucky to be whee you are :(. Although singing The You'll never work again song to Murphy was fun as always :D

Considering the prices I saw today in the prog.. that's where i'll be next year.

http://img59.echo.cx/img59/5748/minip10105gh7211ct.jpg

Flag :D

The crusome foursome... http://img59.echo.cx/img59/5849/minip10105894dv.jpg (Just about)

[Dazz]

Your supposed to be 12 days older then me, you don't look it. My Chelsea flag with Champions on it is at home, might take a pic of it on Monday, it's pretty damn cool.

Matthew Harding Upper is great, but the atmosphere is much better in the lower, just the view is worse. Ruth Harding sits about 6 seats from me.

Those Murphy songs got boring for me, as I was singing them loads on Tuesday night.

can't wait to go to Old Trafford on Tuesday, gunna properly piss off the Mancs.

http://img149.echo.cx/img149/5377/playersnearus1so.jpg

[Dazz]

Singing celery to the players wives was gold.

Wish this came out better...

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/481/robbenduff0ds.jpg

[toxic rooster]

VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah
VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah
He swings from tree to tree,
He's a fucking chimp-an-zeeeeeeeeee
VIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEIRRAAAAAA, wooooooo-oooo-ah


2 many syllables

[Wengerland]

The WengerBus is coming


:cool:

Wasn't really a penalty to be honest, not that you'd care :o

Last day of the Championship season with automatic promotion, play-off places and relegation not settled. BRILLIANT

[toxic rooster]

Every game starts at the same time on the last day, doesn't it

[Jacko]

Your supposed to be 12 days older then me, you don't look it. My Chelsea flag with Champions on it is at home, might take a pic of it on Monday, it's pretty damn cool.



Not that you look that old yourself, but I do have a fresh face. Especially when i'm clean shaven and i'm wearing a hat ^_^.

[Cactus Sid]

Pretty piss poor, last day of the season, your side is on the brink of promotion....and no one turns up.

Some great footy fans in Wigan.

[toxic rooster]

They're all rugby league fans in Wigan, aren't they though?

[yianni]

Fuck I feel sorry for the poor cunt who has to clean up that mess on the pitch at Stamford Bridge.

Regardless, congrats to Chelsea.

As Gooner said some juicy relegation games next week. How the fuck West Brom held on at Old Trafford I don't know. :y:

[toxic rooster]

It was never a penalty for West Brom :$. Regardless, they had more to play for and were fucking lucky Manchester couldn't find a winner.

Game on

[Dazz]

2 many syllables

no, you pronounce fucking as fuck'n

Not that you look that old yourself, but I do have a fresh face. Especially when i'm clean shaven and i'm wearing a hat ^_^.

I know I don't, but you look younger

[Mr. Monday Morning]

4-2 up, never mind Warnock :cool: FUCK, if our defence wasn't so shocking we would've stormed the Championship this year :mad: Next time, I tell you *shakes fist*

Looks like Wigan are up, Ipswich, Derby and West Ham in the playoffs with Preston, Crewe going down as Gillingham are winning :eek:

COME ON PALACE :'( I guess I wouldn't mind Norwich staying up either but their fans are utter prats.

You watch next year if Wigan go up, the JJB will be full, same sort of thing with Barnsley really, people will turn up for the Premiership then disappear soon as they're relegated.

Graeme Le Saux is an utter wanker.

Mantle, you're getting chubby.

[toxic rooster]

Wouldn't that send Brighton down though?

[Dazz]

I wish Wigan didn't go up, they don't sound like a Premiership team

Le Saux is the man, best left back we've had, I don't include Gallas he isn't a real left back.

How dare you, ECG and AAA say the same thing :mad:.

[toxic rooster]

Oh wait, they're drawing.

Gillingham's down

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yes but I'm assuming you didn't watch MotD yesterday cause you were drunk or something, Le Saux acted like the huge homo he is and got Sorondo sent off for rightly twatting him.

And yeah looks like Gillingham is down. Fucking McGhee stays up :mad:

[toxic rooster]

That was Crouch, Adam.

[toxic rooster]

And I don't think Sorondo actually touched him :$

[Cactus Sid]

Wigan are bad for the Premiership.....as are Sunderland, as are anyone whose grounds are practically empty most of the time (Blackburn)

Glad Brighton and Crewe have stayed up, got a soft spot for Brighton's situation and obviously Crewe are our feeder club, so pretty good.

Not really sure who I want to go up via the Playoffs, West Ham would probably be the best for the Premiership.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

That was Crouch, Adam.

Shut up, you don't know what you're talking about. Crouch swing a leg at Sorondo and they squared up, but after that when they were seperated Le Saux ran up to Sorondo to try and start shit and got twatted.

[toxic rooster]

I watched like 3 replays and didn't see that

[Cactus Sid]

I watched like 3 replays and didn't see that

It was definetly Le Saux who got Sorondo sent off

[toxic rooster]

Really, what'd he do? I must plead ignorance on this one, I thought none of the officials saw what happened and decided to send them both off for starting the handbags.

[Dazz]

Yes but I'm assuming you didn't watch MotD yesterday cause you were drunk or something, Le Saux acted like the huge homo he is and got Sorondo sent off for rightly twatting him.



No I didn't, was on the train home at the time, What did he do?

[Wengerland]

Yeah, Sorondo lashed out at Le Saux, stupid thing to do but a sending off all the same.

Unlucky Gillingham :( Same thing that kept them up and sent Walsall down last season.

[Wengerland]

Reading were shit again incidently, if that's what it takes to be around the play-offs then we should be there next season. Wolves will go up if Hoddle stays imo.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Unbeaten since January (unless I'm making stuff up in my head) - he reckons one way or another his future will be sorted out by the end of next week. We'd better fucking keep him :mad:

[Danny Electric]

Imagine if you won all those games you drew.

[Wengerland]

Dennis Wise has resigned at Millwall, hopefully he gets out of football now.

[Cactus Sid]

Absolutely disgraceful first half performance from Liverpool, and the worst of the bunch was Gerrard.

Absolute passenger, has barely played a pass, has given the ball away, looks disinterested. He's playing in a position behind Baros, but is still technically a midfielder. Its funny, because right now, he's not supporting Baros, and he's not helping out the defence at all. Another absolutely shit performance.

The defence have let the fans "HOOF" chants get in their heads. They need to ignore them and just get the ball up field, because they are putting way too much pressure on the midfield, who are also playing utterly abysmally.

Our only way forward in the second half is to go like for like. Get Hamann off and Slot Kewell and Cisse up front. We've got a choice, we can either go for it, and risk losing more heavily, or stay as it is, and be an absolute embarassment. I know what I'd do.

[Wengerland]

If only Riise had squared the ball that time.

I'd get Garcia off personally, he may be able to produce a good strike every so often but his build up play is terrible, always gives possession away. Even in the Juventus first leg apart from the goal he did nothing. Still, as you need the win then i suppose he'll be left on, Kewell on for Traore i'd do, Fabregas won't stay wide so they can get at Lauren.

May aswell throw Cisse on for Hamann too in a bit, didn't see the bench but Morientes would be worth putting on if he's there too -edit- just seen he's not, don't bother then, Smicer's not worth it :$

[Cactus Sid]

Huzzah, Gerrard scores

[Wengerland]

Finished 3-1, Fabregas finished it off at the end. Much improved performance from Liverpool second half, just started 45 minutes too late.

Congrats to Everton for making it into the champions league anyhow.

[Cactus Sid]

Amazing goal by Fabregas, real class.

We were better, but not great in the second half

Guess our only hope is a legal challenge or something, truly disappointed to be finishing behind Everton.

[Cactus Sid]

What also bothers me is that Everton probably wont even qualify for the Champions League, I'm not quite sure how its gonna work, but the fact they haven't even qualified for the Uefa Cup in years surely means they'll have to play from either the First or Second qualifiers.

[Wengerland]

You can still get in if UEFA allow England 5 places, assuming you win the Champions League. It wouldn't really be fair to whoever misses out, but they could throw Inter out i guess, for that crowd episode.

The Champions should be allowed to defend it, but that shouldn't be at Everton's expense.

[Y2Ant]

I didn't know Xabi Alonso was such a diving cunt :o

[Y2Ant]

:wavesad: Stan Ternent

[Ogen]

I hope they don't allow 5 teams in as much as Liverpool deserve to be there it'd be rediculous to have a quater of the leauge in it

[packt up]

What also bothers me is that Everton probably wont even qualify for the Champions League, I'm not quite sure how its gonna work, but the fact they haven't even qualified for the Uefa Cup in years surely means they'll have to play from either the First or Second qualifiers.

I always thought they would go straight in at the 3rd round basically because they are from the English league which has done well in Europe recently - like it was the stature of the league more than the stature of the team itself.

[packt up]

I didn't know Xabi Alonso was such a diving cunt :o

WORD :y:

Good going Everton I love you despite Cahill being a shit.

[PSIcological]

down but not out

4,500 of us at forest. and i refuse to be down about this

we are going up next year.

until then, league one waits for us :|

[Wengerland]

Your chairman HAS to renew Ternant's contract, then you should be challenging next season.

[toxic rooster]

LOL YOU'LL BE PLAYING ROTHERHAM NEXT SEASON

[Cactus Sid]

I always thought they would go straight in at the 3rd round basically because they are from the English league which has done well in Europe recently - like it was the stature of the league more than the stature of the team itself.

Didn't Newcastle have to go through 2 qualifiers?

[Cactus Sid]

I didn't know Xabi Alonso was such a diving cunt :o

I wouldn't say he's a diver, he's just like most foreigners and goes down really easily.

[Cactus Sid]

Also, I am really tempted to put a sly tenner on Everton being relegated next season

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I fucking hate Bolton fans.

Apparently de Zeeuw is "childish" for not shaking Diouf's hand before the game, then they all go mental and clap him when he puts in two footed challenges on players and chant his name and do all this we are not worthy bollocks.

I hope Liverpool sell him to some La Liga club or something and they crash out of Europe without him.

Plus that fat fuck Sam Alladyce nearly ran me over after the match.</font>

[yianni]

Good going Everton I love you despite Cahill being a shit.
HA! What a champ. :y:

[PSIcological]

LOL YOU'LL BE PLAYING ROTHERHAM NEXT SEASON

We played them this season, beat them twice :|

whatever, i'm accepting it, although i agree that we need to renew Ternents contract. With him and a few players staying, we will be a force to be reckoned with in league 1.

[Rob]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I fucking hate Bolton fans.

Apparently de Zeeuw is "childish" for not shaking Diouf's hand before the game, then they all go mental and clap him when he puts in two footed challenges on players and chant his name and do all this we are not worthy bollocks.

I hope Liverpool sell him to some La Liga club or something and they crash out of Europe without him.

Plus that fat fuck Sam Alladyce nearly ran me over after the match.</font>

If you stand in front of the chip shops, expect no mercy from fat northern wankers.

[Nervous Ferret]

Freddy Adu > Karl Frederick Ljundberg

[Y2Ant]

I am glad to see that you detest Bolton fans as much as I do, Pricey my son. :love:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I hope they don't allow 5 teams in as much as Liverpool deserve to be there it'd be rediculous to have a quater of the leauge in it

They will still have to qualify though and there will be some decent teams in there, it won't be easy to get in in the first place.

[cafctom]

Charlton fan here!

Poor end to the season from us, very poor. Nothing new though really, I expected it for quite a while and the shame of it is that we could have made the top 7 and got a Europeanplace if we had kept up the form that we were showing about 5 months ago.

It is something that has become inevitable with Charlton though over the past 5 years.

[Danny Electric]

Yeah, you always have a poor end to the season.

[Rob]

Roy Carroll is a useless cunt.

[Wengerland]

Charlton fan here!

Poor end to the season from us, very poor. Nothing new though really, I expected it for quite a while and the shame of it is that we could have made the top 7 and got a Europeanplace if we had kept up the form that we were showing about 5 months ago.

It is something that has become inevitable with Charlton though over the past 5 years.

Are you one of those who wants Curbishley out?

Can't say i agree with them as a neutral, but you were pretty poor against Man Utd so i dunno, maybe a change could be what's needed.

[Cactus Sid]

Roy Carroll is a useless cunt.

So who, realistically, do you want as your keeper next season?

[packt up]

Dunno why either Man U or Arsenal didn't move for Paul Robinson last season. They should both kick themselves up the arse for letting that one slip by.

[Danny Electric]

I think it's the team, not Curbishley.
People in the team haven't stepped up.

[Cactus Sid]

Chelsea have torn United's defence apart tonight

[Cactus Sid]

Just been reading that Liverpool have apparently made an enquiry for Joaquin

If that turns out to be true.......

[Danny Electric]

Yeah.
I read that the other day on Sky Sports News website. Basically our competition is Chelsea and Real Madrid.
We must remember that Joaquin is a Madrid fan too.

[Rob]

So who, realistically, do you want as your keeper next season?

Realistically, who is out there? I'm seriously happy enough with Tim Howard. He is young and talented and just needs games and forget the media who are dying to hound him. You don't turn into a shit player on 3 or 4 dodgy games.

I'm more concerned about Wes Brown and Miekel Silvestre tonight. Not good at all. Need a strong centre midfielder. Michael Essien would be nice if Chelsea don't nab him. Rino Gattuso would be a freaking Christmas miricle but he wants to come back to Britain so you never know. I'd start looking at Alan Smith replacing Paul Scholes too. His tackling is better for a start.

Without at least 3 players next season, Chelsea are going to run away with it again.

[soconnor]

Congrats to Chelsea in an excellent second half. All we need now is Arsenal to lift the FA cup and then it'll be congrats on a great season for Man United. Gudjonsson, cool as you like

Aston Villa and AC Milan left for us now. Going to be a great last few weeks. Bring on 2005-06.

[packt up]

Nothing between the teams eh Sir Alex...

[Ogen]

Did I hear right earlier from the commentator that that was Chelsea's 13th win at Old Trafford in 31 games amazing record that if I did.

[Rob]

Aston Villa and AC Milan left for us now. Going to be a great last few weeks. Bring on 2005-06.

Yeah AC Milan. That is gonna be good :lol:

[soconnor]

Seen as though AC Milan beat Man United

Then Chelsea beat Man United

:lol:

I get it now

[Nervous Ferret]

Freddy Adu > your team

[Ogen]

The new stadium being built for Bayern and 1860 Munich is fucking amazing

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/39.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/26.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/40.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/content/allianzarena/downloads/38.jpg

Just look at that thing. It changes colour depending on which of them is using it ffs :D

[soconnor]

Freddy Adu > your team

Freddy Adu may be an amazing player in the future but right now

The main thing is, used tampons > you

[Dazz]

Did I hear right earlier from the commentator that that was Chelsea's 13th win at Old Trafford in 31 games amazing record that if I did.

Laddo I have been there twice whenwe have lost, tonight was amazing, it is indescribable the level of satisfaction I got tonight.

Unitedneed Given.

[toxic rooster]

lol someone's got too much time on their hands

http://www.staff.livjm.ac.uk/finmjone/uefa.htm

[toxic rooster]

lol cole was offside

[toxic rooster]

Fuckity my link broke :mad:

[toxic rooster]

Anyway it was a knock off of the UEFA.com homepage with a link at the top to a news story saying that UEFA had overruled the FA and said that if Liverpool had won the CL, they'd get in over Everton, then when you clicked on the link it had David Moyes holding an Everton scarf and the caption 'GOTCHA'

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Realistically, who is out there?

Parma will probably sell Sebastian Frey. There was talk a while back of Casillas as well. Either of those would do Man U in good stead.

Charlton, btw, need a striker. If they had a 20 goals a season man they would've made Europe this season, I am convinced of that. Euell, Jeffers, Bartlett, Johansson...between them there's nothing.

Arsenal have apparently enquired about Lescott :foc:

[Wengerland]

Oh fuck, We've offered a contract to Rab Douglas to replace Walker :(

[Cactus Sid]

Rafael Van Der Vaart has apparently handed in a Transfer Request at Ajax

[Danny Electric]

Yeah, he was always going to leave.

[toxic rooster]

Isn't Lescott that cunt with the funny shaped head?

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">its a scar, but yes.

We've released Stone, Shaka, Berger and Foxe :|

I don't really care about Foxe because he was total shit, it was pretty obvious Shaka was gonna go but thats still a bugger, Berger hasn't looked good for 6 months, is injured a lot and is old but he's still decent but I can't believe we let Stoney go. Disgraceful.</font>

[Danny Electric]

You'll bring in some Slovakians and Latvians.

[Ogen]

Laddo I have been there twice whenwe have lost, tonight was amazing, it is indescribable the level of satisfaction I got tonight.

Unitedneed Given.
No reference to my quote at all you pissed bastard

[Cactus Sid]

Arsenal have absolutely pissed over Everton in the first half, truly phenomenal performance.

3-0

[Cactus Sid]

5-0, total and utter slaughter at the moment

[Cactus Sid]

6-0

[packt up]

Holy shit at the Arsenal score. I'm not watching the game but I bet its the sexiest football been played this season.

[Cactus Sid]

It beats the shit out of anything I've seen in a long time

They are absolute class, and this kinda enforces my belief that Everton aren't even gonna qualify for the Champions League proper

[Cactus Sid]

Seen as though AC Milan beat Man United

Then Chelsea beat Man United

:lol:

I get it now

That is the worst argument in the world

By saying that I could go on to the point that Torquay are the best team in Europe

[Cactus Sid]

Oh, and its 7-0

[Cactus Sid]

Also, Everton's goal difference is now 0

[Cactus Sid]

I'm guessing thats the biggest defeat in the Premiership this season

Whatever, Arsenal were just.....amazing. Words simply can't do that performance justice.

[toxic rooster]

It was my birthday present :o

Sorta wish I'd got up to watch the match now, ah well it's on here in a couple of hours anyway

[Wengerland]

hahaha 7-0

Unlucky Montana

[toxic rooster]

Meaningless game, though it is nice :o

[Danny Electric]

HAHA TONY MONTANA

Why couldn't Evertone lost like that all season :(

[soconnor]

That is the worst argument in the world

By saying that I could go on to the point that Torquay are the best team in Europe

Where's my argument? I was simply stating some facts and laughing at them. Sorry I insulted your football skills so this is some sort of zinger comeback, good one. We might support the same team but you're nothing like me. I have my season ticket, I am a positive fan. You're a negative fat cunt with a big mouth. Congrats on trying to prove your point. How is Torquay the best team in Europe then? Shut your mouth, when I want a Peter Kay lookalikes opinion I'll ask for it.

As far as Everton goes that 7-0 thrashing was hillarious in the pub. I'm so glad Cactus Sid added five posts of nothing to the discussion. Overall Arsenal are terrific. Chelsea and Arsenal are the best teams in the premiership without a doubt. However some clever signings and I see a top three position easily. It's all good.

[Cactus Sid]

Where's my argument? I was simply stating some facts and laughing at them. Sorry I insulted your football skills so this is some sort of zinger comeback, good one. We might support the same team but you're nothing like me. I have my season ticket, I am a positive fan. You're a negative fat cunt with a big mouth. Congrats on trying to prove your point. How is Torquay the best team in Europe then? Shut your mouth, when I want a Peter Kay lookalikes opinion I'll ask for it.

As far as Everton goes that 7-0 thrashing was hillarious in the pub. I'm so glad Cactus Sid added five posts of nothing to the discussion. Overall Arsenal are terrific. Chelsea and Arsenal are the best teams in the premiership without a doubt. However some clever signings and I see a top three position easily. It's all good.

Your argument was the same old tired, someone loses to someone who lost to someone who lost to someone yadda yadda. At the end of the day, the best team will win, I hope that is Liverpool, but I'm not gonna stick my neck out and say we will win, because I genuinly think its too close to call.

I don't give a shit if you don't care about my footballing skills, its a football discussion thread, so I brought it up. A couple of months ago (before you started posting in this thread) there was a discussion about who people played for, where they played, and I mentioned that I had got injured. I was simply saying that I was then back playing to those who replied to my message. Whether people cared or not is their business, I was just updating something from a time gone by. I wasn't trying to make a "zinger comeback" because quite frankly I don't bare grudges against people who choose to reply negatively to something I have said.

Your right though, we are nothing like each other in terms of how we support Liverpool. But I've always been of the opinion that people who don't accept anything negative being said against their team as really sad, because they don't accept reality. Its the reason why I hate so many Man Utd fans, and it saddens me to see Liverpool fans doing the same. I would have a season ticket, if I didn't live 300 miles away and had the money to afford one. Of course, the typical reaction of someone who doesn't like it when someone doesn't have the exact same opinion as them, is to resort to childish name calling, as you've just demonstrated.

I'm not gonna sit here and work out that Torquay beat a certain team, who beat a certain team, who beat a certain team, who beat Liverpool. I was just suggesting that just because one team beats another, it doesn't neccessarily make them better.

Oh, and nice one with the Peter Key, I've heard it all before mate, and quite frankly, if you don't wanna hear my opinion (because its different to yours) put me on the ignore list. Hey, why don't you put everyone else who disagrees with you on it as well, because you know, if everyone in a football discussion thread doesn't agree with you, thats a lot of opinions you didn't ask for.

Ok, I added a few posts while watching the game, big deal, I'm sure people have done it before, I'm not quite sure what is wrong with mentioning the score, especially when the game was as dramatic as it was.

At the end of the day, I support Liverpool, you support Liverpool. We both want them to win, but we both have different opinions on the team, and we both show our support in different ways, its basically gonna have to be a case of agreeing to disagree.

[toxic rooster]

On the subject of Liverpool, if they do win it I'm going to start throwing punches the first time I see the headline "Turkish Delight" :mad::mad::mad:

[Londoner]

So, any thoughts ont he Glazier bid? I'm amazed no one has mentioned it. This is a sad day for football i think, but it was always going to happen. This is why I have always hated Man utd since I got into football, they're a business and were always going to go corrupt in the end..and now the truth is being told. Shame they've had to corrupt football along with it..or it looks likely that's going to happen atleast, if Glazier gets his way that is.

[toxic rooster]

we're lazy

[Danny Electric]

May 25th

[toxic rooster]

repeat my turkish delight comment

[Danny Electric]

No I will not.

[Wengerland]

Too much spamming here ffs, i remember a while back Sid saying this was the best thread in history or something, cause it had the most replies bar the "what are you listening to?" thread, but this one didn't just have one liners. Seems to be pretty much heading that way and i know i've done it a few times aswell, but come on, if you're going to post one-liners at least make them about a bit of news or whatever.

As for the Glazer thing, i don't know much about his plans or how it will affect it really, but, as it is, it seems as though quite a lot of United fans are being priced out of going to Old Trafford so i imagine that those who are generally passionate for the club and go to matches will be priced out too. They're not the best home support anyway, so that won't change and Glazer would only get a limited input on away prices, so the fans who travel should be alright in keeping their good rep, at least for singing, getting atmosphere's e.t.c.

[Dazz]

USA
USA
USA
USA

Now we see the United fans bullshit, new team my fucking arse.

I like it, and this almost certainly means the super league will be formed within five years time, who will pioneer it though, Abramovich/Kenyon or Glazier? That's the only question.

[Ogen]

Manchest United States of America

I've still no idea what everyones terrified of tbh. He hasn't bought the club to run it into the ground and hes a successful buisness man.

[Wengerland]

Oh yeah, Pearce has got the Man City job, that was pretty obvious though, given how well he's done up to now.

Crouch and Carson get their first call ups for this US tour, Carrick is back in for the first time since 2001. Rather have Heskey myself, and i'd have liked to have seen Hibbert called up.

[Rob]

Hopefully Glazer was choke on a hamburger sooner rather than later.

[Dazz]

Doens't matter if he does Rob, his sons are gunna run the business apparently.

[Y2Ant]

:love: Pearce

:rofl: @ Glazer, apparently he's gonna have a 91% share in the club and drive out the remaining shareholders, and then transfer his debt onto the club or some shit. UNLUCKY

USA USA USA

[Dazz]

'United Shareholders' was set up by the fans to stop a total take over, and they own 17% of United right now, so the fans have gotta pump shitloads of money in over the next couple of days or Glazer will get there first.

[packt up]

As for the Glazer thing, i don't know much about his plans or how it will affect it really, but, as it is, it seems as though quite a lot of United fans are being priced out of going to Old Trafford so i imagine that those who are generally passionate for the club and go to matches will be priced out too. They're not the best home support anyway, so that won't change and Glazer would only get a limited input on away prices, so the fans who travel should be alright in keeping their good rep, at least for singing, getting atmosphere's e.t.c.

Apparently Manchester Utd's ticket prices are amongst the lowest in the Premiership so I dunno what they were complaining about before. If this bid drives prices up then fair enough but I gather they've been round about the lowest for years.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.

Id rather have Ian Walker, atleast he's playing regularly for his team.</font>

[The Mask]

Manchest United States of America

I've still no idea what everyones terrified of tbh. He hasn't bought the club to run it into the ground and hes a successful buisness man.
that's the point. prices will go up, there's every chance the stadium will be renamed to bring in extra cash, we're going to have a smaller transfer kitty from now on, so we're not going to be able to compete with chelsea at all. absolutely gutted.

[Wengerland]

Oh right, i admit i didn't really know so it was an assumption on my part, didn't think the atmosphere would be so poor if they had decent prices.

[packt up]

Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.

[Dazz]

United won't have any less money then if he didn't take over, I love Glazer.

[Rob]

Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.

He isn't using his own money so it doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. It's totally different from Abramovic buying Chelsea. He'll be gone in 5 years. We probably will be too though.

[Nervous Ferret]

what is USA doing? Is Freddy Adu going to be playing? Or Cobi Jones? Or Brian McBride?

[Rob]

United won't have any less money then if he didn't take over, I love Glazer.

Well when he takes Sky to court to quash the existing TV deal so he can get Man United their own deal and when he starts taking players from other clubs in court making transfer fees redundent and thus killing off other clubs I hope you love him then too.

[soconnor]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.

Id rather have Ian Walker, atleast he's playing regularly for his team.</font>

Carson has done a solid job though, Ian Walker is past his prime. Remember these games are just nothing, better to have a future England number one than a guy past his sell by date. I know you're probably biased, but so am I. He made that one mistake against juventus, tonnes of potential though. He's all good.l

[Rob]

How many games has Carson played? How many goals did he flog? He isn't even Liverpool's number 1.

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">why would I be biased? Im a Portsmouth fan. I have no personal feelings one way or the other about Carson, he's never played for Southampton.

Rob Green is shit too but atleast he's playing regularly.</font>

[Dazz]

Well when he takes Sky to court to quash the existing TV deal so he can get Man United their own deal and when he starts taking players from other clubs in court making transfer fees redundent and thus killing off other clubs I hope you love him then too.

Chelsea will beat ManYoo to killing off the game, the FA are too blind to see anything, it's an accident waiting to happen.

Carson has playued for the under 21's and I remember he made a big mistake then, but overall he seems good. Green is inconsistant but he can be terrific.

[Y2Ant]

Yeah Glazer took the Bucs to the Superbowl, and in the 2 seasons after that they are shit again :cool:

[Cactus Sid]

<Font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">what the fuck has Carson done to deserve a call up? Not good enough to play for Leeds' first team but good enough for England? Ok.</font>

He's a good, fairly solid young keeper, and is definetly one for the future, I don't see exactly what the problem is with Sven taking a look at another young English keeper on a tour which hardly means very much. One for the future, and at least he isn't as injury prone as Kirkland.

My only thought is why has he been called up but Carragher and Gerrard haven't? Surely Carson's gonna be in Istanbul as well.

[Dazz]

Whens Kirkland back?

[Cactus Sid]

AND, I should add this as I thought about it just after I posted

The fact that Carragher has had such a phenomenally good season, and is probably not going on this tour is a real shame. Even though the tour is practically meaningless, it would've given Sven a chance to have a real look at the 2nd best defender in the country this season.

On the Glazer issue, I don't think it'll be as bad news for some Premiership clubs as some think. I realise that Glazer will probably want to scrub the Sky deal, but I don't think it'll have as huge effect. If anything, it'll do the lower placed clubs better, because United are on TV more than any other team, so the games that United would've been in will be spread around to other teams, which will allow teams to get more sponsorship and slightly more TV money. In theory. Of course the other theory is that if United pull out, sides with big support like Liverpool and Newcastle will do the same, have there own TV channels, make a lot of money, and cripple the smaller clubs.

At the end of the day though, United have paid the price for floating on the stock exchange. Glazer has, regardless of the ethics of a football club, done what any good businessman can do, and while its sad (for United fans at least) that this situation has arisen, it had to be expected that someone would use the stock exchange for their own devices in a football club, one day.

[Cactus Sid]

Whens Kirkland back?

God knows.

He had back surgery a while back, so it doesn't look like he'll play again this season. I've gotta be honest, as great as he is, I don't really want a guy who is so injury prone in goal. Lack of continuity can really hurt a teams defence, and we've sorted ours out since Dudek has been in goal regularly.

[Dazz]

Well I hope Dudek brings his A game with him.

Oh I'd rather have the Russian than the yank,
Oh I'd rather have the Russian than the yank,
Oh I'd rather have the Russian,
rather have the Russian,
Yes I'd rather have the Russian than the yank.





Dear Soccer fans,

As you all know, I've been looking to buy the United's of Manchester for a little while now. I've also heard that some of you may not be too happy about me using, sorry, buying the club in order to reach new heights and also that I may not be a fan. Well fear not, as I'm writing this personal letter to let you know that i'm a genuine fan of you Blue Devils.

I began rooting for the United's back in 1992 when our little Malcolm Jr. was practising his soccer home runs out in the yard. I loved the way you turned defence into offence, and the way that Bobby Shearer used to top-half it into the goal bag. Oh man, that play was hot. My son tells me that you even out-zoned your city rivals Southampton in the 4th quarter of the FA World Series. As for your current team, that Rude guy is awesome! I see a profitable future at the United, with the young talent of Cristiano Rooney (man, that guy can dance!) and Peter Shilton giving us hope in defeating the evil Russian tyranny which assaults the freedom of our beloved soccer. With the marketing potential of those Neville brothers and that Pearce dude leading the team, we can all look to acheiving our beliefs of a better future. Especially when I add Alexei Lalas and Cobi Jones to the starting 15.

Now to you, the fans.

I've been to see the United's play once before, and the respect you pay your team in silently admiring the play out on the pitch was overwhelming. Because of this, I've just purchased a new GBP45m mansion in the Manchester to be close to you guys. And more good news is I'm planning to add an extra 10,000 seats through corporate boxes so more genuine Blue Devils can experience the play. What's with the prawn sandwiches I had to eat when I was there? Well, rest assured - it'll be Super Size prawn baguettes when I take charge. I can't wait to come over to the Manchester Isles as I love the country, especially the beaches and the hot chicks. I hope you can all see my vision of this future, with new shirt sponsors (Dunkin' Donuts) and new team name (The Manchester Gloom) iIm sure things are looking bright.

*Further good news for you guys is that I've just agreed a partnership deal with McDonalds, who will help in promoting the Manchester brand. This will involve re-naming the stadium to 'McTrafford' as well as an exciting launch of Manchester Gloom plastic fan toys in every happy meal. Cristiano Rooney will be the face of this campaign and during this, he will be marketed globally as Roonald McDonald.


Take care dudes.

Regards,

Malcolm Glazer.

[yianni]

:rofl:

[Cactus Sid]

Genius

[Danny Electric]

Awesome.

[Rob Ban Fan]

He's a good, fairly solid young keeper, and is definetly one for the future, I don't see exactly what the problem is with Sven taking a look at another young English keeper on a tour which hardly means very much. One for the future, and at least he isn't as injury prone as Kirkland.

My only thought is why has he been called up but Carragher and Gerrard haven't? Surely Carson's gonna be in Istanbul as well.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">well if he wanted to take a look at a young keeper, why not Lee Camp? Atleast he's played regular first team football this season. Plus he's done well and theres a good chance he'll be a Premiership #1 next season.</font>

[The Mask]

Most clubs in this country would be glad to be taken over by a billionaire. Some clubs are going into administration and you're throwing a hissy fit cos a billionaire bought your club? What makes this guy so special that everyone thinks he's gonna drive them into the ground? He turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from a joke of a team to the Superbowl champions and apparently is generally liked by their fans.

I'm as confused as Ogen.

If you float your club on the stock exchange and then run it as a very good business (as Man U have) then your asking to attract take over bids - you're a PLC for fucks sake.

he's about half a billion short of being a billionaire. once he gains full control of the club, his debts (about 300m) become ours. He's giving us a transfer kitty of 20m a season, which does fuck all to help us compete with Chelsea in the premier league, or any of europes elite either.

This from The Mirror on some of the changes Glazer made at Tampa Bay when he took control of their 'football' team.

New colours?

The Buccaneers played in a gaudy orange-red-and-white outfit, but two years into Glazer's ownership, changed to a more serious red and "pewter".

United can expect: Out with the red-and-white, in with red and pewter - a colour that designers acknowledge will look great with jeans.


New club logo?

Along with the new colours, the Bucs ditched their slightly camp laughing cavalier logo and opted for a red pirate flag.


United can expect: No more boring club crest. Red Devil will be the key element on the new, modern logo.

New stadium?


One year after the new colours and logo, the Bucs jumped to a new stadium, complete with a life-size pirate galleon and firing cannons. United can expect: Glazer might be ugly, but he's not stupid. Old Trafford is the biggest club stadium in the country, and will remain that way. But it will cost a lot more to buy a ticket.

New manager?


Coach Sam Wyche was given a season to prove his worth after Glazer took over and was then fired. His replacement, Tony Dungy, was also dispensed with.

United can expect: Sir Alex Ferguson will not be impressed with a man who knows nothing of football. Glazer's arrival can only speed his exit.

-----

From The Independent
Malcolm Glazer yesterday seized control of Manchester United with a takeover bid which values the club at almost £800m.


Glazer, the Florida-based owner of the American football club Tampa Bay Buccaneers, realised his long-cherished dream - and made many fans' worst nightmare a reality - after snapping up the 28.7 per cent stake owned by Cubic Expression, the investment vehicle of the Irish horseracing duo J P McManus and John Magnier. That took the Glazer family shareholding to 56.9 per cent. By last night the American billionaire had raised his stake further to around 70 per cent, putting him well on the way to complete control.

The coup that handed Cubic's shares to Glazer could have huge repercussions not only for United but for the whole of English football.


From being a debt-free, profitable company, United will become laden with more than £500m of debt, in various forms, within a matter of weeks. If Glazer's takeover goes to plan, no fans will own any of their club or have any say in how it is run.

The future of the board, not least the chief executive David Gill, looks increasingly insecure. Insiders in the Glazer camp are already indicating that directors who took an "over my dead body stance" towards Glazer will be especially vulnerable.


Sir Alex Ferguson's future will also be thrown into doubt. The United manager stated unequivocally last November that he and the supporters "don't want the club to be in anyone else's hands." That alone is unlikely to earn him the sack, but it certainly will not help if on-pitch performance does not improve.

A Glazer buy-out will also have knock-on effects for the wider game. It is widely accepted that the 76-year-old sees television income as a potential growth area, but only if United can sell their TV rights themselves, instead of collectively. If Glazer successfully lobbies for the break-up of the collective TV deal - and the European Commission would probably support him - the landscape of wealth distribution will fundamentally change.


Shortly after the Cubic deal, Rothschilds, Glazer's financial adviser, bought the 6.5 per cent stake in United owned by the Scottish mining entrepreneur Harry Dobson and a further six to seven per cent of the stock from City institutions. The Glazer offer is worth 300p-a-share, valuing United at £790m. A formal offer document will be sent shortly to the club's remaining shareholders, but last night the takeover battle looked to be all over bar the shouting.

Glazer had been given a deadline by the City's Takeover Panel of next Tuesday to either "put up or shut up" in his quest to win control of the club.


The breakthrough came when the Irish duo agreed to sell their 75.7m shares unconditionally to Glazer in a phone call during Wednesday.

Magnier and McManus received the money in their bank account yesterday morning, and their shares officially became Glazer's. The Irishmen made an estimated profit of £80m on their shares. It is understood that Glazer borrowed the money from bankers in America and Britain who specialise in high-risk loans.

At 50.1 per cent or more, Glazer has the power to sack the entire United board. But the key figure to reach is 75 per cent control. This will enable Glazer to delist the shares and pass special resolutions to force through a controversial debt refinancing of the club.


If Glazer lifts his stake to more than 90 per cent he can compulsorily purchase all remaining shares, wiping out any last resistance to his takeover.

The United board, led by Sir Roy Gardner, its chief executive, has refused to recommend a Glazer takeover because of the "aggressive" way it is being financed. It will result in United having more than £500m of debt which it will have to repay from revenues.


Should the Glazer camp succeed in raising its stake above 75 per cent, then the United board will still not recommend the offer but will reluctantly advise remaining shareholders to accept the bid. "At that point, resistance would become futile," said one adviser. Anyone still holding shares would only be doing so for the nuisance value."

If Glazer falls short of the 90 per cent target, he will still have to send out an annual report to the minority shareholders and convene an Annual General Meeting, at which they could vent their spleen.


As fans gathered for an anti-Glazer protest at Old Trafford last night, the campaigning group Shareholders United expressed outrage that Cubic had sold up. "We feel completely betrayed by John Magnier and J P McManus," said the SU vice-chairman, Oliver Houston. "They said they were long-term investors, but they have taken the 30 pieces of silver offered by Malcolm Glazer."

Magnier made a further profit at York racecourse yesterday, where he watched two of his horses win on the Knavesmire. In trademark style, the Irishman wore a brown trilby and had his half-moon spectacles perched bookishly low on his nose. Also typically, he had little to say when asked about his latest business dealing. "I really don't have anything to add. Let's talk about horses now."


Fans' groups are already plotting to destabilise Glazer, with threats of a breakaway club, a boycott of season tickets and merchandise, and a "direct action" campaign against him personally. He may have won his battle for control.

But the war for the soul of United has only just begun.

[The Mask]

Anyone see the report on Channel Four just? Reporter saying about how Glazer has borrowed 265m (or something) against Manchester United' s assets, and a further 200 odd million not against it, but it will be all transferred onto the club once he gets a 75% shareholding. The guy then questioned how he is going to make the loan repayments back (apparently 20 million per year) and saying that the only real way in which he can say the money being generated (or near the amount) is by (as said before here) ripping up the TV agreement when it runs out, or more seriously, trying to take us into a European superleague. Ended the report by saying all the fans of other clubs crowing about the fall of Manchester United, may well find that Glazer could bankrupt many clubs in the Premiership.

took that from redissue forums.

[Nervous Ferret]

grr Someone explain this USA thing to me. What is it exactly, Malcom Glazer bought a team? Give me the details, I can't understand you bloody Eastern Hemisphere Talk. :mad:

[The Mask]

The Uefa executive committee have reiterated that clubs heavily in debt to banks will not be allowed to play in European competition in 2007/2008.
Although it is perhaps unlikely the ruling will have any impact on Manchester United in the wake of Malcolm Glazer's attemped takeover, their licence could be reviewed under the new guidelines.
It could mean United being told they could not compete in the UEFA Champions League, the continent's most lucrative competition.
"The idea is to make the regulations more progressive, but it will not be possible to impose a limit of say, €60 million debt across the board, because there are so many differences in the finances of all clubs in Europe," said a Uefa spokesman.
"However, if one club was permanently in debt to the banks, and the debt showed no sign of clearing or, in fact, got bigger year by year, then we would look very closely at that situation and then the licence of that club would have to be reviewed."
Glazer, who launched a £790 million bid for United on Thursday, is close to the 75 percent stake that gives him full control at Old Trafford and the ability to take the club into private ownership.
The American businessman confirmed to the Stock Exchange that he now owns almost 70 percent of the club, with more shares being bought on Friday.
Red Devils manager Sir Alex Ferguson refused to give any lengthy response to the situation when questioned by The Scotsman.
"I always look forward, and I do so again, but we'll just have to wait and see what is going to happen," said Ferguson.

[Rob]

And for the record, if Ferguson goes, I'm going too.

[Danny Electric]

Going where?

[The Mask]

FC unitedddd

[The Mask]

but sadly, won't be that easy. i don't think the fight is over by a long stretch yet though.

[Nervous Ferret]

so Malcom Glazer wants to buy a team. What's the fuss about? I don't seem to understand...

[El Capitano Gatisto]

but sadly, won't be that easy. i don't think the fight is over by a long stretch yet though.
It pretty much is.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Anyone see the report on Channel Four just? Reporter saying about how Glazer has borrowed 265m (or something) against Manchester United' s assets, and a further 200 odd million not against it, but it will be all transferred onto the club once he gets a 75% shareholding. The guy then questioned how he is going to make the loan repayments back (apparently 20 million per year) and saying that the only real way in which he can say the money being generated (or near the amount) is by (as said before here) ripping up the TV agreement when it runs out, or more seriously, trying to take us into a European superleague. Ended the report by saying all the fans of other clubs crowing about the fall of Manchester United, may well find that Glazer could bankrupt many clubs in the Premiership.

took that from redissue forums.
Wild exaggeration.

The EU are going to end the Premiership TV cartel, anyway, at some point. They've been pushing for it to happen. The British government might be able to step in and keep the situation as is, in the public interest, however. Either way, Glazer doesn't have much control over either. He will push for it, but if he achieves it, it would have happened regardless of his intervention. Manchester United plc. has always been about making money.

The European Superleague is unfeasible and wouldn't sell. I firmly believe that.

Glazer could also make his money back by increasing revenue in the North American market, potentially worth billions. He's not stupid, he'll leave the running of the football side of the club to the board and Alex Ferguson, because Manchester United is the best run club in the world and there is no need to change that.

[The Mask]

It pretty much is.

Not at all, there are plenty of people about who are planning to disrupt matches, ambush shops of our sponsers, blockade entrances and have us kicked out of europe, playing behind closed doors, and all of that will put a huge dent in his pocket.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

No, they'll all be arrested within one activity, banned from travelling through Europe, and there'll be no Manchester Liberation Organisation any longer.

[The Mask]

I don't know. Maybe you're right, it's impossible to tell at this stage, but I'd keep your eyes open because something pretty big will happen. The fact Joel Glazer is dumb enough to request a directors box at Old Trafford to watch the matches from should tell you that something is. A large number of people would have him and his father dead without second thought. 70 fans or so stormed some JP Morgan or Rothschild event last night too and made their thoughts known, along with handing some headbutts out to a couple of gobby Chelsea supporters, which made my day a little better, I have to admit.

[Dazz]

Jesus Christ the Mask, how will the disrupt matches, other then phoning up with a bomb scare every week, fans can't do fuck all. They can erect fences around the pitch to stop people going on it, get more security and more CCTV, search people before they go in. As for the sponsors shops, that is completely laughable, your fans want to go to jail to piss of the sponsors, :lol: how are the fans gunna have the last laugh exactly.

You lot are bluffing again, FORM A NEW TEAM, KILL GLAZER AND HIS FAMILY, DISRUPT IT ALL AND GO TO JAIL.

Fuck off, you won't do shit, all talk, all talk.

[Nervous Ferret]

so Malcom Glazer wants to buy a team. What's the fuss about? I don't seem to understand...

[Dazz]

Ferret, you wont understand, only United fans do. I could see there point if things were gunna change in a bad way. Like ECG said they were run by businessmen before and still are. United fans just dont like the idea that the money from sales goes to Glazers pocket
.

[Nervous Ferret]

So it's going to Glazer's pocket now instead of whoever used to own them. Either way it's going in some rich guys pants. Do they just not like the thought of an American getting the money instead of whoever it is now? That's silly.

[Dazz]

It is partly to do with him being a yank yes. But previously money raised always went straight back into the club and wasn't pocketed, it is now.

[Nervous Ferret]

I C.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I don't know. Maybe you're right, it's impossible to tell at this stage, but I'd keep your eyes open because something pretty big will happen. The fact Joel Glazer is dumb enough to request a directors box at Old Trafford to watch the matches from should tell you that something is. A large number of people would have him and his father dead without second thought. 70 fans or so stormed some JP Morgan or Rothschild event last night too and made their thoughts known, along with handing some headbutts out to a couple of gobby Chelsea supporters, which made my day a little better, I have to admit.
It's laughable to suggest a small group of Manchester United fans could cause too much disruption. Even if they do start this campaign, it'd quickly turn back on them and only harm their cause.

Joel Glazer is hardly being "dumb" by requesting a director's box. He will probably be over-seeing the running of the club, so he should be a visual presence there. He'll be fairly safe. DO you really think some jobless dickhead Man U fan will be able to get near a multi-millionaire who probably has the best security money can buy as a matter of course?

The vast, vast majority of fans are ordinary people with families, who cannot afford to get themselves arrested over some stupid, meaningless crusade over a football club they lost to the corporate world years ago.

[soconnor]

I guess the supporters will have to put their prawn sandwiches down and kick up a fuss. The papers totally overreact to the take over, I'd love to see Man United put down a peg or two but Malcolm Glazer isn't an idiot. I'm sure he'll borrow and put the club in debt but at the end of the day he'll want success and the money it brings. He's offering £20 million for the transfer kitty every year, that's decent enough. Fans with big mouths, kill the fat cunt or shut your mouth. I hope Terry Christian gets assasinated already.

[The Mask]

It's laughable to suggest a small group of Manchester United fans could cause too much disruption. Even if they do start this campaign, it'd quickly turn back on them and only harm their cause.

Joel Glazer is hardly being "dumb" by requesting a director's box. He will probably be over-seeing the running of the club, so he should be a visual presence there. He'll be fairly safe. DO you really think some jobless dickhead Man U fan will be able to get near a multi-millionaire who probably has the best security money can buy as a matter of course?

The vast, vast majority of fans are ordinary people with families, who cannot afford to get themselves arrested over some stupid, meaningless crusade over a football club they lost to the corporate world years ago.

I don't think one jobless dickhead could, no. I imagine a few people could though. And people feel like they have nothing to lose at this point. We made have been lost to the corporate world long ago, but there are still traditions to fight for, and nobody here is willing to accept a McTrafford, unlike other clubs. This is like trying to fix something that isn't broke by taking a hammer to it. I don't doubt for a minute Glazer knows how to make money, but when ticket prices are hiked to the point the working class fans can no long afford to watch us play, then it's not our club anymore. that's why people are still fighting for it. Not because we're going to be a shit team, but because of the traditions and those that died for the club.

[The Mask]

I guess the supporters will have to put their prawn sandwiches down and kick up a fuss. The papers totally overreact to the take over, I'd love to see Man United put down a peg or two but Malcolm Glazer isn't an idiot. I'm sure he'll borrow and put the club in debt but at the end of the day he'll want success and the money it brings. He's offering £20 million for the transfer kitty every year, that's decent enough. Fans with big mouths, kill the fat cunt or shut your mouth. I hope Terry Christian gets assasinated already.

20m is fuck all in this day and age. We have an aging midfield to replace, a somewhat shit defense and a revolving door of goalkeepers to contend with. On top of that, it looks like the players we do sign are going to start getting threatened by the russian mafia. 20m a season isn't going to get us near to Chelsea or the european cup.

[packt up]

You were no where near Chelsea or the European Cup this season without Glazer.

[The Mask]

Exactly, so what the fuck is 20m a season going to help us?

[Dazz]

You wouldn't have 20 million without him you sye, you used your whole budget on Rooney, apparently.

[The Mask]

yeah, this season. I can live with that, even though chances are it was a front to stop clubs trying to fleece us. Glazer's deal is 20m a season for 5 seasons.

[Dazz]

Wenger hardly has it made for him either.

[soconnor]

I couldn't see Benitez getting more than £20 million. So there you go the top three teams will probably be getting that. Apart from Chelsea of course but that's because Abramovic is a rich benefactor with money to burn, while other teams actually need a business model and somehow make profits for the future. If you're expecting Glazer to give you £150 million for a new goalkeeper, defense, midfield and a good forward then you're mad. At the end of the day the working class roots in football has gone out the window for the top teams, most Man United fans aren't even from Manchester. When Rooney is getting £70k a week, it's hard to feel sorry that some fat American wants to make life difficult. Just buy the fucking ticket and t-shirt, or support someone else. Not for sale? By Monday, it's done.

[Dazz]

I remember when the Thailan PM wanted to buy you lot Soconner, that was abit of an odd one.

[The Mask]

JP Morgan bankers were enjoying a quiet dinner at the Manchester Art Gallery on Thursday night after the first day of the National Association of Pension Funds conference when three dozen Manchester United fans stormed the room. Chanting and singing, they overturned bottles and poured wine over dinner jackets. There was no violence except against Henry Tapper, head of sales at Zurich, who burst into a Chelsea football song and was promptly head-butted.

Fortunately, his only injury was a split lip. One of the guests, Tommy Docherty, the former Manchester United manager, restored calm by telling the gatecrashers to leave. Most obeyed but there were still a few stragglers to arrest when police arrived. JP Morgan, which is backing Malcolm Glazer's bid for Man U, declined to comment. However, the bank is so scared about staff safety it has removed its stand from the conference. Fans 1, JP Morgan Nil.

[soconnor]

Yeah don't get me wrong if I was a Man United fan then I'd be pretty pissed off too. However the thailand cunts weren't going to get a majority share and then again we're still looking for someone to buy us out so we can buy a new stadium and have a bit of transer kitty. That's the way it goes now in football, emigrates stadium and all that bollocks. You have to sell out to the foriegn market so you can actually try and compete. If you're lucky though you get someone decent, if you don't and you get some rich american blob who likes to pretend he came from the gutter but really he came from a millionaire. Not to mention he's saving up to be jewish, worth half a billion wearing $20 pants and flying economy I'd be pretty fucking worried. As for claiming I'd try and stop it or I'd stop supporting the club, I'd give it a chance first because there's nothing else you can do.

[soconnor]

I don't think Glazer is the type of guy a you can intimidate to get your own way. He's not worried about a few rebel fans getting in his way. He's a smart business man and all these guys are doing is making it worse. He'll get his majority share by Monday so what you going to rebel against then when it's all over. The ground might get sold and the club may plunge into debt but you'll still get more transfer money than you would have. I'm sure in his mind he'll make a billion in America and Man U will be the biggest on the planet. The time for a few idiots headbutting people is over, it's either put up or shut up. All they proved is that they're a bunch of thugs and they're getting arrested. Promptly banned from any Man U future matches, ripped up season ticket, then we'll see how many people will risk it. I have no problem guessing a few guys might be psychopaths but how many really has the balls to go through with it. The majority Man U fan is on his arm chair living miles away from Manchester, I'm sure he'll let them take all the risks and at the end of the day just live with it

[The Mask]

just curious, how come you're after buying a new stadium, can you not expand anfield any more or something? personally I'd be gutted if we moved away from old trafford.

[Danny Electric]

Can't get planning permission cos it's in the middle of a housing estate.

[PSIcological]

that was a great playoff match between west ham and ipswich. Can't wait for the second leg. come on the ipswich!

Also, with the glazer situation, i don't understand how he can transfer his debt to the club, surely theres some ruling against that. It seems barely legal

[The Mackem]

It's a PLC there's always a possibility that somebody can do this. I don't see what the fuss is about.

[Y2Ant]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers logo is class :(

[toxic rooster]

post it

[Dazz]

JP Morgan bankers were enjoying a quiet dinner at the Manchester Art Gallery on Thursday night after the first day of the National Association of Pension Funds conference when three dozen Manchester United fans stormed the room. Chanting and singing, they overturned bottles and poured wine over dinner jackets. There was no violence except against Henry Tapper, head of sales at Zurich, who burst into a Chelsea football song and was promptly head-butted.

Fortunately, his only injury was a split lip. One of the guests, Tommy Docherty, the former Manchester United manager, restored calm by telling the gatecrashers to leave. Most obeyed but there were still a few stragglers to arrest when police arrived. JP Morgan, which is backing Malcolm Glazer's bid for Man U, declined to comment. However, the bank is so scared about staff safety it has removed its stand from the conference. Fans 1, JP Morgan Nil.

Henry Tapper, what a guy, he would back their bid if he's a Chelsea fan :love:

[Gonzo]

http://www.signaturetumblers.com/images/NFL/NFL_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers.jpg

[Rob Ban Fan]

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">hahaha my birthday was FUCKING awesome</font>

on the way back to the car we're queuing up to pay for the parking ticket and I recognise the person standing RIGHT next to me...

"'scuse me..."
"yes?"
"Toddy?"
"sorry?"
"Toddy?"
"yes"
*shakes hand*
"could you sign my birthday card?"
"sure, how old are you?"
"18...anyone got a pen?" at this point i dropped my birthday cake but i dont care, im talking to Toddy
*about 10 people look for pens and say "no"*
"bollocks"
at this point Toddy does the greatest thing ever...fucks his missus off to get a pen out of the car to sign my card
"so...hows the knee?"
"its good"
"gonna be back next season?"
"yes"
"gonna be back for pre season?"
"yes"
"we went to Alan Knight's testimonial match last night hoping to see you but you didnt play"
"haha no"
"not lost the touch then?"
"haha no!"
my mum took my picture with him and his missus comes back with a pen
"whats your name?"
at this point I was tempted to say "its in the card you fucking moron" but needless to say I didnt
"Owen"
he seemed to be struggling with the spelling here but he then realised it was in the card, copied it and signed it. Then I shook his hand and we went out seperate ways.
Then my mum was like:
"was he Russian?"
"...well Bulgarian"
"will he be playing tomorrow?"
"no, he's injured."
"he didn't look injured to me."
"well, he is."
"whats wrong with him?"
"torn anterior cruciate ligament."
...fucking women

[Rob Ban Fan]

http://www.venneravpompey.com/pompeybilder/svetoslav%20todorov2.jpg

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">thats Toddy by the way :mad:

I bet Dazz tells some gay story now about how he met Tore Andre Flo or how his dad practiced free kicks with Zola.

Well I got news for you Mantle before you start, NO ONE CARES. :mad:</font>

[packt up]

lol happy birthday Owen don't listen to that Chelsea bastard.

[XL]

lol
happy birthday owen

[soconnor]

It sounds as amazing as that time I met Sinbad in the pub

Enjoy your birthday and your sweaty Bulgarian autograph :)

[Dazz]

lol, happy birthday mate.

Owen, did I not mention the time I was in Antigua the week after we won the '97 F.A Cup and who turns up at our hotel, only Dennis Wise :cool: he let me and my mate sit at the table him and his woman were watching the entertainment on. Had a good convo, fuck knows what about, Chelsea obviously but I dunno what in particular. Then my dad took the five plain white complimentary tee-shirts you get for staying there, and wrote 'When Wise went up to lift the F.A Cup I was there' on them, handed them to Wisey, who wrote underneath 'So was I' and then signed them.

Top that, you shit.

[Nervous Ferret]

Man U fans are getting exactly what they deserve. The arrogant tossers were singing anti England and pro Argentina songs at Carrow Road this year ffs. Their success is pretty much based on the profits made from being a PLC and now they're *beep*ing bout it! I hope Glazer completely rapes them for all they got and Arsenal and Chelsea or anyone for that matter stop them winning any trophies for the next few years then we'll see how many real Man U fans there are. Havin said that I hope they do West Brom tomorrow! ;-)

[Nervous Ferret]

:shifty:

[Nervous Ferret]

Man U fans are getting exactly what they deserve. The arrogant tossers were singing anti England and pro Argentina songs at Carrow Road this year ffs. Their success is pretty much based on the profits made from being a PLC and now they're *beep*ing bout it! I hope Glazer completely rapes them for all they got and Arsenal and Chelsea or anyone for that matter stop them winning any trophies for the next few years then we'll see how many real Man U fans there are. Havin said that I hope they do West Brom tomorrow! ;-)A reply to a thread I found while on a New Yoek "American" football Jets website. Whyat that topic was doing there I have no clue, but that is funny as hell/

[Nervous Ferret]

Is that of any accuracy Wee Gooner?

[toxic rooster]

Ferret, that might sound half believable if it wasn't from over a fucking week ago

[Nervous Ferret]

It was posted May 14, 2:13 Pm EST. mind you. "tosser"

[toxic rooster]

Then that's fucking slow, considering man u played West Brom 8 days ago

[Nervous Ferret]

Did they win?

[Nervous Ferret]

maybe he gets his soccer a week late.

[toxic rooster]

lol didn't see the top 2 replies on this page before I replied

[toxic rooster]

1-1 draw

[Nervous Ferret]

this=typical american reply:

This is the first I'm hearing of it. But I also do not look for any news on the European football league. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_8779-->

[toxic rooster]

lol what!

[Nervous Ferret]

This is the first I'm hearing of it. But I also do not look for any news on the European football league.

[Rob]

West Brom to stay up today

[Nervous Ferret]

i dunno. I will ask the guy if you would like?

[Nervous Ferret]

edits grr. :mad:

[toxic rooster]

I've got a 'feeling' about Palace

[Mr. Monday Morning]

West Brom to stay up today

:foc:

Come on Palace

<font size=1>and to a lesser extent Norwich</font>

[Rob]

:foc:

Come on Palace

<font size=1>and to a lesser extent Norwich</font>

I hate Palace and not really fond of Norwich though. Plus I got £20 with my brother that WBA or Southampton will survive.

Apparently, Newcastle have bid £18 million for Michael Owen. They are fools! He only went for £8 million and he hasn't really improved any. Madrid will be desparate to offload him for Robinho anyways.

[packt up]

Yeah I fancy Palace to stay up to day for no real reason.

Michael Owen eh...bit pricey at the moment.

[packt up]

And lets not forget that theres probably no chance in hell of him wanting to move to us.

[Cactus Sid]

I don't really care who stays up as long as it isn't Southampton

Saw that the United fans are intending to "Bring Chaos to the Cup Final" they reckon that they'll need to bring in the army, that they'll sit on the pitch and wont move or they'll throw beach balls onto the pitch to stop the play.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

[toxic rooster]

Yeah, what are beach balls going to prove. Remember how the Palace-Saints game last week was stopped for all of 2 minutes to burst all the baloons?

[Rob]

I don't really care who stays up as long as it isn't Southampton

Saw that the United fans are intending to "Bring Chaos to the Cup Final" they reckon that they'll need to bring in the army, that they'll sit on the pitch and wont move or they'll throw beach balls onto the pitch to stop the play.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The bloke from the Man U supporters club said it's not being organised but it's being talked about by a few as a individual thing. These fans are thick as shit. They complained when we didn't enter the FA Cup in 2000 and now they want to ruin the final.

[Cactus Sid]

I've gotta admit, even as a fairly unsympathetic Liverpool fan, it does seem that, while I'm sure almost all United fans are opposed to the takeover, its only a small percentage of idiots who are getting all their militant views out in the open.

[Rob]

Well I'm opposed to it but what can we really do about it now? Sweet Fuck All! None of of have £200 million+ to stop a takeover. Might as well see how it goes and complain later.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I hate Palace and not really fond of Norwich though. Plus I got £20 with my brother that WBA or Southampton will survive.

Apparently, Newcastle have bid £18 million for Michael Owen. They are fools! He only went for £8 million and he hasn't really improved any. Madrid will be desparate to offload him for Robinho anyways.

I hate West Brom :mad: (obviously)

Southampton because of RBF :love: and Redknapp just being a cock in general, plus it would be funny cause they're just one of those teams that are always there and never do anything.

Norwich I don't mind as much except Huckerby is an overrated diving little shit, Rob Green is so overrated it's laughable, and their fans are twats.

So that leaves Palace.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Come on Norwich!

I still find it funny that Portsmouth could save Southampton.

[Wengerland]

BARCELONA ARE THE CHAMPIONS :heart:

Derby heading out of the play-offs too :love:

As for "survival sunday", i'd prefer West Brom to stay up cause they play the best football of everyone, don't really mind though, as long as Southampton come down, partly to do with one of the promoted teams surviving and partly to do with RBF.

[yianni]

It has begun...

[yianni]

SOUTHAMPTON GOAL!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Southampton still staying up atm on goal difference even though Man U equalised, Norwich trailing Fulham.

Everton beating Bolton 1-0
Liverpool beating Villa 2-0, Cisse with both
Boro beating Citeh 1-0 and headed to the UEFA Cup

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Goal Charlton, Southampton still in pole position.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

2-0 Fulham.

Bloody hell :nono:

COME ON PALACE :'(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Newcastle 1-1 Chelsea, Lampard's 19th of the season

[yianni]

Fuck me, if West Brom wins and other scores remain the same they'll survive!

Come on West Brom!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

No, not come on West Brom :foc:

[yianni]

Shut the fuck up. :foc: