MLB 2006 Season Thread

[RoXer]

And I finally got to watch another A's game tonight :cool: Well, most of it.

So take THAT steema. Amazing that Loaiza only gave up 3 runs. Lester looked pretty good. And I liked Swisher at 1st. (I'm not a Dan Johnson fan SO I won't mind him being sent down again)

And while I wish they'd open up that checkbook, Zito for the Yankees next year :(

Also, Bob Melvin will most likely get a 2 year deal.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also, stima, how long has Varitek sucked this bad?For a while now I've been thinking he has been hurt and not just saying anything because he has really dropped off this season. He is still doing alright I guess, but nothing like he usually does. I remember seeing pull the muscle in his ass (lol) like towards the start of the season, I wouldn't be surprsied if that was still bothering him now.

Figures Loretta makes his 4th error of the year in a HUGE spot to allow 2 runs to score. Then Tavarez gives up 2 runs in the top of the 11th. He just had to give up that insurance run seeing how the Sox plated one in the bottom of the 11th, really don't know why they didn't walk Thomas in the 11th though. 2 outs with first open, I dunno, I'd be walking him.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Lester has looked pretty good in all of his starts, but he is having the same problems he has always had. He throws way too many pitches and has a tough time getting out of the 5th. Not exactly the best combo with a bullpen full of rookies + Tavarez/Seanez(Can't wait to see "Red Sox have designated Rudy Seanez for assignment they have 10 days to either trade him or release him")

[OssMan]

ROFL Pujols killed that pitch. I knew it was gonna happen too

[Joey Slugs]

So I've been gone for a few days and I'm still technically "gone"


But did Slugs change teams AGAIN?

Just showing some 2nd half love for the National League.

[RP]

Did Slugs change his text color yet? Maybe i'd actually give a damn when he posts.

[The Miz]

lol the A's always win games like that, that they had no business winning. Always takes a 2-run error and the pinch-runner getting picked off in the 9th. If records were based on who played better in a game A's would be like 10 under .500 :(

[The Miz]

NY Daily News reports that the White Sox have placed García and Vázquez on the trading block. But I thought they, along with 3 other White Sox starters, had 20-win potential?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/story/434973p-366496c.html

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought maybe Tavarez had turned it around, he pitched well his last 9 games before last night. Same old shit last night though. He needs to punch somebody or something to just make his pick up worthwhile (although he did punch someone in spring training already)

[Joey Slugs]

NY Daily News reports that the White Sox have placed García and Vázquez on the trading block. But I thought they, along with 3 other White Sox starters, had 20-win potential?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/story/434973p-366496c.html

I don't know about this, but it is about time they make a move to get McCarthy into the rotation.

[DaveWadding]

Dear Ronny Cedeno,

I hate your guts.

Love,
David Wadding

[Joey Slugs]

What did he do now Dave?

[DaveWadding]

stupid fuck threw an easy DP ball into the dugout scoring 2 runs.

[Joey Slugs]

Ouch.

[DaveWadding]

15 errors now. His defense is absolutely terrible.

[Joey Slugs]

I'm off to work fellas. Enjoy the games tonight.

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[BCWWF]

Is it in San Francisco?

It was funny on the radio today. Jerome Wiggins, the Vikings goofy-ass tight end was on talking about the Red Sox because he is apparently some huge fan. A bunch of douche Yankee fans kept calling in and they would fight about it, Wiggins is the man. BTW, Twins little run was fun while it lasted.

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, heard Toad Ponson is going to sign with the Yanks. Well it certainly fits what the Yankees keep on doing. Hiring old has beens.

[The Miz]

Id think Ponson falls more under the "never-was" category

[MVP]

Was that a one hit wonder game for Big Tex or the start of picking up on a rather dissapointing season for himself and most fantasy owners who picked him first round in fantasy drafts?

I hope it's the start of his pickup considering I drafted him 1st round in 2 leagues.

Traded him for Carpenter in the league I actually pay attention to. The one where I still have him I don't give a shit about anymore.

[FakeLaser]

Ponson is garbage, but he's no worse than anything we've already got. We're not paying anything for him so it's worth a shot.

[The Miz]

LOL Josh Beckett has given up 27 home runs this year, most recently to a guy with a sub-.600 OPS. Is there any NL pitcher that doesn't suck? Seriously

[The Miz]

Bert Blyleven, the single-season leader in HR allowed (50 in 1986), had a better HR per start ratio that year than Beckett :(

Bert Blyleven 1986: 1.39 HRA/GS
Josh Beckett 2006: 1.42 HRA/GS

Would be pretty ridiculous if he breaks the record

[The Miz]

ROFL just saw a Red Sox fan with a shirt that said "Red Sox vs. Yankees: Passion vs. Payroll". What a moron

[mrslackalack]

Ponson is garbage, but he's no worse than anything we've already got. We're not paying anything for him so it's worth a shot.

Yep look how much it was worth picking up Chacon and Small last year for the Bronx Bombers when everyone questioned it.

[mrslackalack]

LOL Josh Beckett has given up 27 home runs this year, most recently to a guy with a sub-.600 OPS. Is there any NL pitcher that doesn't suck? Seriously


funny thing was ESPN was bragging on how good Beckett was at home.

[Dragon]

Yeah, Ponson obviously isn't an ideal starter but Chacon has just been awful after getting hit in the leg. Not expecting much out of him though and you have to assume he will be on a short leash.

On the flip side of that though those starts could have been used to help straighten Chacon out so I dunno. He is in the pen now but I don't see how he will be used in that role unless there is a blow out.

[mrslackalack]

Abreu is apparently heading to New York soon. The question is which one Mets or Yankees. The Yankees are the favorties to get him right now.

[mrslackalack]

I am dumbfounded by rumors that Andruw Jones might get traded.

[mrslackalack]

Well the Yankees ended Contreas 17 game winning streak.

[MVP]

Yeah Beckett is mad inconsistent. He either pitches really well or horrendously.

11 wins with a 5+ ERA :nono:

[RoXer]

Yeah that game got ugly way after I stopped watching.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

funny thing was ESPN was bragging on how good Beckett was at home.
I am pretty drunk here but before tonight like 7/8 of his HR where on the road. I dunno I didnt watch anyone of 2nites game but i saw the score :nono:

Fuckin A

[Joey Slugs]

Fuck the Yankees and D'backs.

[ct2k]

Serves Contreras right for pitching inconsistently for us and then going and winning 17 straight in Chicago:rant:

Also, how much does the NL East suck apart from NY? Its like the NL West but without the competition :n:

Speaking of the NL, the wildcard should be cool this year, 6 teams within 3 games of eachother or something, LA has it by 1/2

[Boomer]

I am dumbfounded by rumors that Andruw Jones might get traded.

He's taking up so much of the Braves salary, but I'm with you. His defense is worth holding onto for the rest of time.

[Dragon]

Buehrle roughed up for 8 runs. Yankees bunted 4 times in his last two innings and the Sox made some bad defensive plays.

[FakeLaser]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE

[FakeLaser]

Just as I say that Jim Thome hits an upper deck shot.

[Dragon]

Yeah, quick three runs that inning.

[DaveWadding]

For anyone who has digital cable/satellite: MLB Extra Innings is having a free preview this week :D

[Joey Slugs]

For anyone who has digital cable/satellite: MLB Extra Innings is having a free preview this week :D

Really? Sweet deal.

If I end up moving to Texas later this year... that package will be my bible.

[OssMan]

For anyone who has digital cable/satellite: MLB Extra Innings is having a free preview this week :DYeah it's usually for 3 days and the 3 Mets games that take/took place in these 3 days are nationally televised anyway IDFSOI

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

CURT FUCIN SCHILLING

IM DRUNK AGAIN THO....fuck I barley watched any of the game ONCE AGAIN lol


Nah but seriously, how bout them Red Sox??? no?

[ct2k]

Man, aside from like Greg Maddux and i guess Glavine, Mike Mussina has easily been one of the most consistent pitchers of the last 15-years, pity he won't make the Hall:-\

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He deserves it more than Curt Schilling, but I don't think Schilling deserves it either.

[ct2k]

Difference is Schilling has won a world series, Mussina has no WS, no 20 win seasons or completely ultra dominating seasons.

Thing is, probably no one after Tom Glavine will get to 300 wins (assuming he does), Mussina if he carries on well this year and then pitches a few more seasons could probably get to about 260-270 and close to 3000 K's, that ain't half bad.

[The Miz]

How anybody who isn't a Red Sox fan doesn't hate Curt Schilling is beyond me. Zito hits Ortiz in the fingers obviously unintentionally, so yeah trying to kill Nick Swisher with a baseball is probably the best way to handle that situation.

OH WAIT I forgot he pitched a baseball game with what may or may not have been blood in his sock. He's an American hero and it was one of the greatest postseason performances in history. My mistake

[ct2k]

Hah, i was gonna mention the bloody sock game, that alone will probably see him into the Hall

[The Miz]

ROFL the Boston Globe described Schilling plunking Nick Swisher as "a momentary lapse of control." God I hate Boston

[ct2k]

Speaking seriously now, dya think Schilling will get into the Hall?

[The Miz]

I couldn't care less about the Hall of Fame to be honest, but he doesn't deserve it.

[ct2k]

ESPN would probably disagree:p

[The Miz]

ESPN is probably blaming Schilling's antics on Milton Bradley, I would imagine

[The Miz]

Dear B.J. Ryan,

http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content/79-mariners.jpg

Love,
The Miz

[CNM]

Clint Hurdle + a terrible bullpen = bad news :(

[ct2k]

400th save for Mariano Rivera to wrap up a 3 game sweep of the Chi-Sox, havin some of that:D

[ct2k]

Also looks like Boston are going down to the A's right now:y:

I really fancy us to give Boston a good run for their money for the division title. If we get Matsui, Sheff and maybe Carl Pavano (not sure what the predictions are for his return though) back for the playoffs (providing we get in) i reckon we'd have an outside chance, especially given the experience of a lot of our guys, but i dunno Detroit are lookin hot shit right now

[Dragon]

Sweep against the White Sox is pretty big to start off the second half, especially with the other Sox not playing too great right now.

[Joey Slugs]

YUCK THE FANKEES

[ct2k]

Ok Slugs, are you a Brewers fan or a White Sox fan? YOU CANT BE BOTH :rant:

[Dragon]

Yeah, I've like our chances of winning the division for awhile now and getting the sweep here definitely gives us confidence. A lot could happen between now and the end of the season so predicting the wild card is going to be hard. Could be Detroit, Chicago, Boston or NY.

I dunno about the returning players though. Matsui/Sheff are supposed to be back in August/September I believe but both had injuries to their wrists so who knows how they will do swinging the bat. Pavano I really am not expecting anything at all out of since he hasn't pitched in more than a year. Dotel is coming back soon so he will definitely help out the pen some, he's not gonna be a savior for the bullpen like some people are saying but he will help a lot.

That 5th spot in the rotation is the glaring problem right now though.

[Joey Slugs]

Ok Slugs, are you a Brewers fan or a White Sox fan? YOU CANT BE BOTH :rant:

:foc:

And why the fuck not? You guys act like it's a fucking crime against humanity for someone to root for more than one team in the same sport.

[ct2k]

A little bit of consistency from Johnson and Wright would be nice too, Mussina and Wang have both been solid as fuck

[BCWWF]

The White Sox are going to start slipping here. Against Boston and New York, they were 1-5 with the only win coming in like a 19 inning crap shoot. Now, nine of their next 13 series's are against teams above .500 including Texas, Detroit, NY Yankees again, Toronto, Minnesota and Boston. The only "easy" opponents left this year are a few series' with Kansas City and Cleveland, one with Baltimore and one with Tampa Bay.

I'm predicting that Detroit takes 2/3 in the next series that starts Tuesday.

[Gertner]

Dear B.J. Ryan,

http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content/79-mariners.jpg

Love,
The Miz


Dear The Miz




Thanks for coming out






Love LL Cool G and the Blue Jays

[DaveWadding]

How anybody who isn't a Red Sox fan doesn't hate Curt Schilling is beyond me.

2001 World Series. :wave:

[ct2k]

VERNON WELLS FOUR MVP

[ct2k]

2001 World Series. :wave:

:rant:

[Boomer]

Somebody told the Braves they could hit.

[ct2k]

The Braves have gone 9-1 in their last 10 or something:|

[The Miz]

I like NY to win the division, and I stick by prediction of Toronto in 2nd. Besides beating up on crappy NL teams Boston has been pretty average this year. 37-35 vs. the AL.

[The Miz]

Dear The Miz




Thanks for coming out






Love LL Cool G and the Blue Jays

Congrats on hitting Julio Mateo. How's Chacin doing BTW? Blanton just got his 9th win, 7 innings 1 ER in Fenway Park :)

[ct2k]

The yank who does analysis on the UK coverage has Boston shit all over his nose (he's a Sox fan...from SoCal), constantly going on about how well rounded and deep their roster is but i dunno, if its that good why haven't they pulled away from a depleted Yankee team and a not quite there yet Jays squad?

[The Miz]

Bradley pointing at Red Sox fans and saying "Shut the fuck up" is the funniest thing ever though. I wonder if they will make him a sign that says "TRADER"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I like NY to win the division, and I stick by prediction of Toronto in 2nd. Besides beating up on crappy NL teams Boston has been pretty average this year. 37-35 vs. the AL.
Didn't you just make a post during the All star break picking Boston to win the AL East?

Red Sox pitching is way too shaky to be a serious contender right now I think. They might be able win the division title since the Yankees really aren't much better off but I can't see the Blue Jays being apart of it at the end. Maybe but I dunno, I realize they are the trendy "new" pick but I still don't see them being there at the end. It seems like the last few seasons though the Blue Jays have had great success againest the Red Sox, I guess they just don't carry that over in all their games. I really can't see the Red Sox contending for the World Series though with their pitching, it is too bad because they are unbelievable on the defensive side of the ball this year and the hitting is always there.

Even though Schilling is a D-bag, he has been the only Red Sox pitcher that has pitched constantly good throughout the entire season.

But Milton Bradley pointing at a fan is probably the most hilarious thing ever though, its almost as funny as him through a bag of balls out on the field :shifty:

[Dragon]

Yeah, I think Toronto will just be hanging around in the division like they've done all year but can't see them being on top at the end. Anything is possible I guess with Boston/NY having all these injury problems. I have a good feeling that the Yanks will be on top.

The Yankees have streaks with their pitching though where they all pitch very good and then everyone gets bombed except Moose and Wang. It's gonna be hard to get any long streaks going unless we get a #5 pitcher as well. But I do see us being at the top in the end and then gotta hope for the pitchers to be in a hot steak in the playoffs lol. And anything that Sheff/Matsui/Pavano/Dotel do for us down the stretch will help a lot. I had to cringe when I saw the bottom of our lineup (Aaron Guiel batting 6th lol) today though but they stepped up big.

[Dragon]

What is the Sox starting rotation like right now, I know they have Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Lester I think and who else? Is Clement or Wells coming back at all?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Lester, *insert a pitcher that gets rocked*

[Dragon]

Ah, same thing with the Yankees then. Chacon, Kris Wilson and now Sidney Ponson is next to try the #5 spot out.

[The Miz]

Didn't you just make a post during the All star break picking Boston to win the AL East?

Yeah I am a flip-flopper. I hate both teams but I have to pick one because I just can't see Toronto winning it. :mad:

[The Miz]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/632cf6ae-b760-4fa4-8f94-7ffe4c351460.jpg

SHUT YO ASS UP

[The Miz]

"They swore they wanted character guys, but then they signed a DUI guy and a guy sleeping with a reporter and that's fine, but I got character issues?" - Milton Bradley, on Derek Lowe and Rafael Furcal

LOL I love this guy

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Clint Hurdle + a terrible bullpen = bad news :(
:heart: :heart: :heart:

[The Miz]

Do not be surprised to see Freddy Garcia traded to LAD today or tomorrow

[Joey Slugs]

Do not be surprised to see Freddy Garcia traded to LAD today or tomorrow

So we are hearing now.

[Gertner]

Congrats on hitting Julio Mateo. How's Chacin doing BTW? Blanton just got his 9th win, 7 innings 1 ER in Fenway Park :)

chacin was 6-2 but he's been on the dl

[The Miz]

OH RLY. What was his ERA?

[The Miz]

5.61

Right Gertner, 5.61. Which should be enough to tell you he's shit. More hits than innings, 1.3 homers allowed per game, only 5 more K's than walks. But yeah, congratulations on that 6-2 record. The Blue Jays runs scored in Chacins wins:

6
8
10
7
13
8

Real tough to win under those conditions. I remember when the Blue Jays gave him a 4 run lead against Tampa Bay and he couldn't make it to the 4th inning. That was the game he gave up home runs to "the next big trio in baseball" Damon Hollins, Toby Hall, and Russel Branyan. Meanwhile, Blanton gives up a run less per nine innings than Chacin and just owned the Red Sox in Fenway. He also, y'know, makes it out to the mound every 5th day.

Blanton > Chacin, AGAIN *yawn*

[Gertner]

i could care less what his era is, as long as he's winning i don't care. and in that tampa game he was injured.

[Gertner]

Chacin was better last year than Blanton

[The Miz]

Are you really that retarded? Him "winning" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM PITCHING WELL. Chacin stunk up the place almost every single start this year but the Blue Jays scored runs. Why are you giving him credit for what the offense did?

[The Miz]

Joe Blanton: 3.53 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 5.19 K/9, 1.73 K/BB
Gustavo Chacin: 3.72 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 5.36 K/9, 1.73 K/BB

Nope, sorry. Blanton allowed less runs and allowed many fewer baserunners. Chacin was better at striking people out but that's it.

[Gertner]

blanton-12-12

Chacin 14-9

Kinda missing a big # there

[The Miz]

No, I included numbers relevant to the debate. We're talking about which pitcher was better, not which offense was better.

[Gertner]

wins and loses matter.

[The Miz]

Not for pitchers. It's not under their control

[Joey Slugs]

Blanton is better.

[Gertner]

Not for pitchers. It's not under their control

sure it is. a pticher that can't hold a lead has control over the game.

[Joey Slugs]

If wins matter so much, who would you rather have?

Pitcher A: 6-6 / 3.06

Pitcher B: 11-5 / 5.12

[BCWWF]

Boof Bonser > Chacin

[DaveWadding]

Anyone have some heavy duty rope I can borrow? :wavesad:

[The Outlaw]

Chippppppppppppa.

[ct2k]

Man El Duque couldn't get it going at all last night, I still love the guy even if he is a Met

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"They swore they wanted character guys, but then they signed a DUI guy and a guy sleeping with a reporter and that's fine, but I got character issues?" - Milton Bradley, on Derek Lowe and Rafael Furcal

LOL I love this guy
ROFLL that makes DLowe a legend though, railing some bitch from the pre-game show. Too bad he still isn't with Boston, Hazel Mae does the pregame show now and has some bigggg ole titties

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yea some guy at my work was saying he heard the Rockies where interested in Seanez and/or Tavarez...PLEASE BETRUE

I am sure it isn't though :(

[DaveWadding]

...and it only gets worse for the Cubs...tomorrow we get to face Roy Oswalt at home...with Carlos "Nervous" Marmot starting :wavesad:

[CNM]

Oh yea some guy at my work was saying he heard the Rockies where interested in Seanez and/or Tavarez...PLEASE BETRUE

I am sure it isn't though :(

Tavarez was mentioned, but the article I read said the Rockies think he is owed too much money.

[Boomer]

Somebody told the Braves they could hit.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Sox losing to the Royals 4-0 right now in the bottom of the sixth and Wakefield left the game in the 4th with a strained back....fuck :(

Wheels are starting to fall off the wagon here but I'm trying to stay positive. I just do not want to come down to the wildcard again, since it seems like both the White Sox and Tigers are a lock for the playoffs - where as in the past 3 years it has seemed like the Yanks and Red Sox where in that role.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

ROFLL Ortiz stole a base after basically stopping inbetween first and second after a struckout during a hit and run.

Red Sox got the lead now too, they better win this game.

[Boomer]

LOL. Cardinals bringing in Isringhausen in the 9th down 12. Especially funny when Chipper is still looking for an extra-base hit for the record.

[BCWWF]

Jeff Weaver huh?

[Gertner]

10-1 Jays with V wells with the grand slam. Lilly looked great as usual at home, although i'm sure he's due for a shit performance.

Shawn Marcum pitching tommorow......should be quite the show

[ct2k]

Wang produces another quality start, shame the Sox came back.

I'm no longer convinced the wildcard will definitely come from the central

[FakeLaser]

I read that the White Sox have the hardest second half schedule in the AL, and the Yankees have the easiest. We have a pretty good shot. Detroit has a pretty rough schedule too I hear.

[BCWWF]

I think it is something like 9 of the White Sox next 13 series' is against teams above .500, including the top the AL East teams as well as the Tigers and Twins a few times.

[ct2k]

Fuck me, 3 errors for ARod last night:|

[Ruby]

Can someone explain why the Jays would even consider trading Vernon Wells? Even if they were a last place team, he's a foundation type guy. JP is a fool. Especially since he's allowed to spend money now, he can fill the needs the team has with free agents. Nothing against Benji Molina, but he's not necessary, so let him go, that's 5 million right there. 5 million a year will get you a 3-4 place starter, which is far more important than the role Benji can fulfill. Greg Zaun's numbers are right there in terms of Molina's, offensively. Defensively he's pretty good, Benji's better, but not like I said over the need of another quality starter.

[ct2k]

Atlanta trading Andruw sounds mad enough to me, the Jays trading Vernon Wells would be fuckin stupid, they're not out of it by any means

[BCWWF]

Don't look now, but if the Twins somehow can wind up in the playoffs then you would have to give Justin Morneau serious consideration for MVP.

Justin Morneau:
AVG: 310 (15)
RBI: 77 (3)
HR: 24 (6)
OBP: 358 (30)
SLG: 592 (8)

Vernon Wells
AVG: 313 (13)
RBI: 72 (7)
HR: 23 (9)
OBP: 381 (17)
SLG: 602 (6)

Jim Thome
AVG: 303
RBI: 80 (2)
HR: 31 (2)
R:
OBP: 418 (6)
SLG: 657 (2)

David Ortiz
AVG: 280
RBI: 90 (1)
HR: 32 (1)
OBP: 389 (11)
SLG: 608 (5)

Based on batting alone, Thome or Ortiz are easily the top guys in the AL. Going against them, neither of them play in the field. For Wells, he is one of the top AL batters, although not at the level of Ortiz and Thome, but he is a great defensive player as well. Morneau is right up there with Wells in terms of batting, which is impressive considering how bad he started off the year, and he is an average to above average fielder, but nothing special.

It is kind of the "given" that it is between Ortiz and Thome, but really, why should it be? Neither of those teams has been overly impressive to this point. The Red Sox have an expensive offense and are barely winning their division. The White Sox came into the season with easily the top team in the league, and now they are four games off of the division leader. Right now, Morneau isn't a candidate and shouldn't be, but if the Twins make the playoffs then he definately should be considered (assuming he doesn't fall off).

If the Red Sox make the playoffs, nobody will blink. They already had one of the top teams in the league, then go out and get Loretta, Lowell, Crisp, Beckett and a few more. They are expected to make the playoffs, but now it looks like they are going to stumble in. Basically the same story with the White Sox. If the Twins or Blue Jays make the playoffs, it will be overcoming tremendous odds and exceding just about all expectations. I would say a player leading a team like that with slightly lesser numbers is more deserving of the honor, especially if they are not a DH.

[Gertner]

Can someone explain why the Jays would even consider trading Vernon Wells? Even if they were a last place team, he's a foundation type guy. JP is a fool. Especially since he's allowed to spend money now, he can fill the needs the team has with free agents. Nothing against Benji Molina, but he's not necessary, so let him go, that's 5 million right there. 5 million a year will get you a 3-4 place starter, which is far more important than the role Benji can fulfill. Greg Zaun's numbers are right there in terms of Molina's, offensively. Defensively he's pretty good, Benji's better, but not like I said over the need of another quality starter.


lol you can't just "let molina go"

[Ruby]

I mean in the off season. He's only signed to a one year deal.

[ct2k]

I hate the MVP sometimes. See Ortiz' numbers are shit hot there's no doubt, but i dunno, is he as integral to the Sox as say Wells is to the Jays right now? Numbers aren't everything (i hate to agree with Joe Morgan)

[Gertner]

Zaun is getting up in age. I wouldn't expect this to continue for much longer

[Ruby]

But my point is the needs of another starter outweigh that of an offensive catcher.

[Gertner]

chacin is on the dl. When he comes back we'll have halladay, lilly, burnett, janssen and chacin.

I'd be more in the market for relief pitching. Besides Ryan and Speier, the jays are horribly thin

[Loose Cannon]

Ponson tonight. He says he will go nine strong. lol. He'll go nine strong with the clubhouse buffet, that's for sure.

[Ruby]

Jansenn is not ready for prime time. (You forgot to mention Towers.) Chacin is pretty good, I've read some of the back and forth debate about him in this topic. While he's not a Cy Young caliber pitcher, some people right him off as being pretty terrible. Sure his numbers are inflated this year, but he's pitched hurt all year which contributes to those numbers. Saying that, he's got injury issues. LL, do you think then that the Jays should trade Wells for pitching instead of not resigning Molina and using that $ for pitching?

[Ruby]

Ponson is capable of pitching 9 innings, he's always had the stamina to do so. I think he's a real smart gamble to have taken. Not too sure what went on in StL. though, I thought he'd prosper there.

[ct2k]

Ponson seems to either get a shutout or get pounded for 10 runs in a few innings :-\

[Ruby]

yeah...

[ct2k]

Well obviously i'd rather he gave us a bit of consistency yknow?

[Dragon]

I dunno, don't really see Ponson here too long. Not getting my hopes up with him.

[Gertner]

Jansenn is not ready for prime time. (You forgot to mention Towers.) Chacin is pretty good, I've read some of the back and forth debate about him in this topic. While he's not a Cy Young caliber pitcher, some people right him off as being pretty terrible. Sure his numbers are inflated this year, but he's pitched hurt all year which contributes to those numbers. Saying that, he's got injury issues. LL, do you think then that the Jays should trade Wells for pitching instead of not resigning Molina and using that $ for pitching?


lol no i didn't "forget "Towers:)

Depends, I've been hearign that Weels is gonna be a Texas Rangers when his contract expires.

[The Miz]

Molina has been shit (offensively) every year of his ML career sans 2005 (contract year). Really dumb signing. I would except Toronto to go after Javy Lopez this offseason. This relief pitching class is unbeliably weak.

[The Miz]

Ponson = NL pitcher

[The Miz]

Don't look now, but if the Twins somehow can wind up in the playoffs then you would have to give Justin Morneau serious consideration for MVP.

Justin Morneau:
AVG: 310 (15)
RBI: 77 (3)
HR: 24 (6)
OBP: 358 (30)
SLG: 592 (8)

Vernon Wells
AVG: 313 (13)
RBI: 72 (7)
HR: 23 (9)
OBP: 381 (17)
SLG: 602 (6)

Jim Thome
AVG: 303
RBI: 80 (2)
HR: 31 (2)
R:
OBP: 418 (6)
SLG: 657 (2)

David Ortiz
AVG: 280
RBI: 90 (1)
HR: 32 (1)
OBP: 389 (11)
SLG: 608 (5)

Based on batting alone, Thome or Ortiz are easily the top guys in the AL. Going against them, neither of them play in the field. For Wells, he is one of the top AL batters, although not at the level of Ortiz and Thome, but he is a great defensive player as well. Morneau is right up there with Wells in terms of batting, which is impressive considering how bad he started off the year, and he is an average to above average fielder, but nothing special.

It is kind of the "given" that it is between Ortiz and Thome, but really, why should it be? Neither of those teams has been overly impressive to this point. The Red Sox have an expensive offense and are barely winning their division. The White Sox came into the season with easily the top team in the league, and now they are four games off of the division leader. Right now, Morneau isn't a candidate and shouldn't be, but if the Twins make the playoffs then he definately should be considered (assuming he doesn't fall off).

If the Red Sox make the playoffs, nobody will blink. They already had one of the top teams in the league, then go out and get Loretta, Lowell, Crisp, Beckett and a few more. They are expected to make the playoffs, but now it looks like they are going to stumble in. Basically the same story with the White Sox. If the Twins or Blue Jays make the playoffs, it will be overcoming tremendous odds and exceding just about all expectations. I would say a player leading a team like that with slightly lesser numbers is more deserving of the honor, especially if they are not a DH.

I think Ortiz is probably more valuable to his team than Thome. If Chicago didn´t have Thome, yeah their offense would downgrade, but by how much? They´d still have Konerko, Dye, Iguchi, Pierzynski etc. They might not be best in the league like they are currently but they´d be pretty damn good. If Boston didn´t have Ortiz, where the hell would they be? Manny would get walked 200 times and they´d have guys like Loretta and Lowell to carry their offense. Neither team has great pitching this year (What?? The five 20-game winner potentials aren´t great???) and have been carried by their offense. I think an Ortiz-less Boston might not be over .500 and a Thome-less Chicago would not be hit that significantly. That´s what I ask myself when voting MVP--which playoff team would be the most fucked with the loss of one player?

As far as Morneau goes, Santana, Nathan, and Liriano are more valuable to the Twins IMO.

[ct2k]

Ponson = NL pitcher

Shame he spent all those years at Baltimore eh...Well shame for the O's having to shell out all that cash

[Ruby]

I heard that MLB is trying to push Bonds out of baseball. That they want him to walk away. If he walks away, then fine, they don't go after him. However if he refuses, the talk is they'd suspend him should he be indicted. Wow.

[BCWWF]

Liriano vs. Kazmir tonight

[BCWWF]

Also, would it make sense to try to move A-Rod to first base? I wouldn't call him awful in the field, but it seems like he wouldn't have as much trouble at first.

[Joey Slugs]

Liriano vs. Kazmir tonight

Games like that are the reason to get the MLB package on digital cable.

[Dragon]

Wow, pretty weak lineup tonight for the Yanks.

Damon CF
Cairo 2B
Jeter SS
Giambi DH
Williams RF
Phillips 1B
Cabrera LF
Green 3B
Stinnett C

With Sir Sidney pitching this will more than likely not be good news.

[BCWWF]

Games like that are the reason to get the MLB package on digital cable.

Random question...Do you have Mediacom? If so, does FSC come on the normal digital cable package or do you have to buy a premium package for it? They have possibly the worst Web site ever.

[Ruby]

ARod's a good 3rd basemen. As far as I'm concerned he's unfairly treated by alot of Yankee fans and media.

[Joey Slugs]

Random question...Do you have Mediacom? If so, does FSC come on the normal digital cable package or do you have to buy a premium package for it? They have possibly the worst Web site ever.
Sorry man, we have Comcast here.

[Joey Slugs]

ARod's a good 3rd basemen. As far as I'm concerned he's unfairly treated by alot of Yankee fans and media.

Just not a Gold Glove 3rd baseman.

[Boomer]

I kinda miss Nick Green. The wonders of the Braves farm system.

Jermaine Dye
Jason Schmidt
Kevin Millwood
Andruw Jones
Larry Jones

Blahblhablahlkha

[Ruby]

Did he win a gold glove at 3rd?

[BCWWF]

I do agree, but they said today that he has more errors than any other third baseman this year, so that is something to consider, especially if they are throwing errors.

[BCWWF]

BTW, I though Chicago/Detroit was on ESPN today? I have poker instead :y: :|

Anyway, Liriano opens up with a four pitch K

[Ruby]

Arod's pressing. Both on offense and on defense. I don't know. He's a great talent, but because he makes so much cash, people are holding that against him because he isn't hitting a HR every at bat. That's the sense of it, as I see it.

[Dragon]

Yeah, A-Rod does get a lot of flack from fans and the media. I go to a couple Yankees forums and they will pick something wrong he does out of every game and it does get tiresome. At the same time he is pressing too hard and thinking too much about everything, all his problems are mental. He has something like 16 errors I think right now, he just has to relax and play the game.

It is ridiculous when I hear other Yankees fans saying we should trade A-Rod though, a lot of people take him for granted here. It seems like the people that don't appreciate him in NY are few and far between and that is pretty sad. I appreciate all he's done for our team and stuff but it seems other fans don't.

But hey, we could always have Aaron Boone and his 1 clutch hit off the Sox lol.

[Dragon]

BTW, Ponson impressed me tonight against the Mariners. He had a shaky first inning giving up a 3 run shot to Sexson but after that he settled down nicely and only gave up 1 more run. His line for the night was -

6 2/3 innings, 5 hits, 3 BB, 5 K's, 4 ER

Obviously not phenomenal but much better than I expected. But he did start off good for the Cards too but then struggled so we'll see how the next start goes with him.

[Triple A]

Godddddd, Yankees game, mad dramatic. Tied it up 4-4 in the 9th during a fucking thunderstorm. A-Rod at the plate with 2 outs and a runner on second with a 3-1 count, and they call for the tarp. :mad:

[Triple A]

Also, something I noticed is that all Red Sox games are blacked out here for some reason. Every time there is a Boston game (in Boston I think), they don't air it. Doesn't make any sense since it isn't airing on any other channel.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Great game today. Pelfrey looked real solid and Beltran with a ridiculous shot (his second Grand Slam in as many games)</font> :cool:

[Dragon]

Got lucky with that call on Posada at first. You would have figured they would have let A-Rod finish his at bat though before putting the tarp on.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Also, something I noticed is that all Red Sox games are blacked out here for some reason. Every time there is a Boston game (in Boston I think), they don't air it. Doesn't make any sense since it isn't airing on any other channel.
What do you mean it is blacked out? Like do they have every game on and they black it out or what?

I know they can't show out of market games, so IE they can't show every Yankees game in Boston area/they can't show every Red Sox game in the New York area. If they did that they'd have to cut a percentage to MLB, like what happens when a game is on ESPN or whatever (anything televised outside of the "home markets" is like that) So I am pretty sure The Braves have to pay MLB money because all of their games are nationally televised on TBS.

I'm not totally sure what they do with grey areas like the western part of Connecticut, I don't even think they show Red Sox games there. Just Yankees, but I am not positive.

But good showing by Lester tonight, 8 IP with only 1 hit. Granted it was the Royals, still good to see. I'd like to see some more runs againest KC though, only got one run :-\

Oh yeah, about the Ortiz for MVP debate, if he played a below average 1st base (like he probably would if he wasn't a DH) would you think he'd be more of a MVP canidate?

[Dragon]

In western CT we get the YES Network, and could get NESN in some parts of this area. Don't have it though.

What do you mean by all Red Sox games are blacked out? Like I noticed something on the free MLB Extra Innings thing yesterday, all the games played except the Sox and Yankees so I'm guessing they just play it on the market stations? (NESN/YES)

[Boomer]

I would like to requote myself, but I see no need.

Carpenter holds the Braves to under double digits tomorrow.

[Dragon]

Nice, Melky with a walk off homer in the 11th to give the Yankees the win.

[FakeLaser]

Pretty happy with Ponson tonight. If he pitched like he did tonight for the remainder of the season I'd be pretty happy. He pitched into the 7th and didn't get crapped on. That's all we need out of our number 5. Of course I doubt he'll keep it up but who knows, he's low risk. If he starts to suck we'll just throw Chacon out there again, hopefully he'll come around.

I can't believe they called for the tarp on a 3-1 count. It was raining really hard though, and after they called it they showed this picture of the upper deck getting struck by lightning. Could have had something to do with it.

A-Rod needs to chill. Even if he's pressing he's still having a pretty good season, offensively anyway. Without Sheffield and Matsui he feels he's gotta carry the team offensively but we still have plenty of offense.

It's going to be a really exciting second half in the AL. I feel like it's going to come down to the final week. It's a great season to be a baseball fan, a lot more competitive than past seasons and there's a shitload of great young players to watch.

[Joey Slugs]

White Sox beat Detoit AGAIN

[ct2k]

Melky:cool:

Like FakeRazor and Dragon i'm pretty happy with Ponson's performance, it was the walks that let him down, but he kept us in the game and went 6 2/3, thats far more than we've generally gotten from the 5th spot this year:y:

[FakeLaser]

Outside of that hanging curve that Sexson hit out of the park he pitched a pretty damn good game.

[ct2k]

I always remember he used to generally pitch pretty well against us despite whatever kind of disastrous season he'd be having so maybe he's got a thing for the pinstripes

[MVP]

But good showing by Lester tonight, 8 IP with only 1 hit. Granted it was the Royals, still good to see. I'd like to see some more runs againest KC though, only got one run :-\

Lester is on fire right now. Hopefully he can stay consistent, but I have a feeling he's gonna have some tough outings sooner or later.

I don't get how our offense is struggling against KC pitching. Score is 1-0 into the 6th right now. :wtf:

[Dragon]

Well, you were facing All-Star Mark Redman lol

[Joey Slugs]

Tonight @ Wrigley:

667 Wins
11 Cy Youngs
7, 644 Strikeouts
83 Combined Years
44 Combined Seasons

[The Outlaw]

Yeah, Maddog vs. Rocket is a pretty hot matchup. I pick Maddux, just because I can.

The Braves are freaking ridiculous right now. I don't think they can keep the production up obviously, but I do think they can keep winning and actually make the division interesting.

[Joey Slugs]

Tony Gwynn Jr. got his first major league hit (double) today, 24 years to the day that his dad got his first career hit (also a double).

Good to be a Gwynn today.

[OssMan]

Mets traded 2B Jeff Keppinger (AAA) who should have been called up 2 months ago to the Royals for 2B Hispanic Ruben Gotay (AAA)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mets obviously had no faith in him, and neither do the Royals apparently as he's still gonna be in the minor leagues</font>

[mrslackalack]

Yeah, Maddog vs. Rocket is a pretty hot matchup. I pick Maddux, just because I can.

The Braves are freaking ridiculous right now. I don't think they can keep the production up obviously, but I do think they can keep winning and actually make the division interesting.

Rumors are the Braves instead of trading away everyone have thought about being buyers because they might get the wildcard.

[Gertner]

damn blue jays. boy do they ever miss rios and hillenbrand

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, props to Trachsel for coming back out after a 2 hour rain delay. He lasted a couple more innings but then fell apart, so Darren Oliver got to be the man and save the day :heart:

It's remarkable what Oliver and Valentin have done this year, great stories. Both guys were considering hanging them up this off-season after terrible years and each have thus far turned in a great season.

-------

EDIT

As soon as I say that, Oliver's next pitch is knocked out of the park by Rich Aurilia to tie the game</font> :|

[Dragon]

Shea Hillenbrand designated for assignment by the Jays.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5799358

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"Trade me now faggot" - Shea Hillenbrand after being traded by Red Sox GM Theo Epstein

[BCWWF]

Hell yeah Rondel White

[Ruby]

Hillenbrand has got talent and is a valuable bat, but he's got real problem when he's around for more than a year or so with a team. It's too bad for the Jays that they couldn't move him before all this came out. I heard he went straight to the media after claiming to be singled out by the manager.

[YOUR Hero]

Hopefully the Jays can get something for Hillenbrand.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'd imagine they'd be able to, since this isn't the "usual" designated for assignment type player.

[Adder]

There's a chance teams might wait out the 10 days and pick him up for nothing. Hopefully not, as a Jays fan, I'd like to see them get something in return.

[FakeLaser]

They'll get a single A prospect MAYBE. His contract is up at the end of the season, why would anyone want to give up anything decent for a 2 month rental of a corner infielder who hasn't hit more than 18 homers in a season?

[BCWWF]

I'd think a lot of teams would pick him up in a heartbeat, but it doesn't look like he is going to be traded. Thats too bad for Toronto. Although we are in the same boat right now, the edge of the wildcard race, I'd like to see Toronto have some success come out of this season. Maybe finish second ahead of the Yankees or something.

[Dazz]

Seriously, how good is baseball, was in Toronto on the weekend, and went to the <s>Rogers</s> SkyDome for the games on Saturday and Sunday. Wasn't overly impressed to start with but the more innings that went on the better, even I was getting pretty tense in the extra innings and there were five of the bastards on Saturday. We left on Monday night, so I couldn't go to the game then, got home and found out that the Blue Jays hit a grand slam, good old Vernan Wells.

Might start posting here now, Baseball is the shit, well wanna go again, much cheaper then football too, costs me about $90 Canadian for a Chelsea game and $9 for Blue Jays, and the view is immense.

GO JAYS GO

Got me a tee-shirt with Glaus on it too, :cool:

SWEEEEEEEEET CAROLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE

[Joey Slugs]

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[OssMan]

they play sweet caroline at other parks? i thought that was just a red sox thing, i guess everyone wants to be the red sox though.

[Joey Slugs]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Dazz]

I hope you are not taking the piss you shit. The SkyDome is half full, people leave before the extra innings, no one sings unless the words come up, and you can but tickets on the day with a massive range, unless they play a good team then everyone goes. Pretty sure most of the fans aren't that good.

Anyways, load the bases. See, I picked up the termanology already. And Well's steals a base. Easy picking up this lark, pretty sure I know most of the rules except the infield fly one.

[OssMan]

WTF are you talking about

[Dazz]

they play sweet caroline at other parks? i thought that was just a red sox thing, i guess everyone wants to be the red sox though.

They even have the words on the screen, proper Kareoke style.

Stadium is immense, I wanted to see them move it around for the Yankee football but there was obvious no reason too, roof was pretty impressive too. As is the idea of bring your dog day.

[Gertner]

what a little bitch. I'm glad his sorry ass in gone

[Dazz]

WTF are you talking about

Which part, wasn't the whole thing obvious :mad:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

they play sweet caroline at other parks? i thought that was just a red sox thing, i guess everyone wants to be the red sox though.
Yeah I didn't think other teams did that, that is pretty gay.

Me and my buddy went to a game like 2 weeks ago and we were like "I wonder what the players from the Phillies think when they come to Fenway and have no idea what this all about..they are probably like 'what the fuck' when the whole crowd starts singing sweet caroline"

[OssMan]

Braves get:
P Bob Wickman

Cleveland gets:
C Maximiliano Ramirez (A)

lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yeah, about the Ortiz for MVP debate, if he played a below average 1st base (like he probably would if he wasn't a DH) would you think he'd be more of a MVP canidate?Figured I'd re-post this since it got past up cuz I wrote about like 3 other things in the same post.

[Loose Cannon]

not MLB, but went to another Charlotte Knights game last night and they played the Clippers (Yankees system) So it was cool seeing a few of thier prospects. Caught a foul ball too.

Slugs: look for a Ryan Sweeny to maybe get called up soon for your Sox. Every game I've went to, he's done good and is like thier top prospect in position players.

[Joey Slugs]

not MLB, but went to another Charlotte Knights game last night and they played the Clippers (Yankees system) So it was cool seeing a few of thier prospects. Caught a foul ball too.

Slugs: look for a Ryan Sweeny to maybe get called up soon for your Sox. Every game I've went to, he's done good and is like thier top prospect in position players.

Charlotte has the best record in the entire minor league system. Good team to go see.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing Ryan come up here and play in the show. Everything I have heard and seen of him so far is all positive.

Speaking of the White Sox system, and as much as I love our pitching staff right now, I really hope to see this rotation one day (with current MLB/MiLB stats):

Brandon McCarthy (R): 3-4/4.11
Heath Phillips (L): 11-3/2.11
Lance Broadway (R): 6-6/2.77
Charlie Haeger (R): 10-3/2.48
Ray Liotta (L): 3-8/4.93

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wells with the walk off againest Rivera and the Sox won again today. Push 'em down the AL east standings NUKKAS

[YOUR Hero]

Tonights win by the Jays is just the medicine they needed. It's been a rough week, with come from ahead losses and the Hillenbrand garbage. JP stated he's getting a lot of inquiries about Hillenbrand. Hopefully that's the case.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'd just like to point out, using Gertners logic, that the Red Sox have the best pitching staff in the majors. (Beckett and Schilling both have 12 wins)

[MVP]

LOL

Good to see that the race for 1st in AL East is more of a race for 2nd right now between the Yanks and Jays.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ahh I dunno about all that. Red Sox just swept the Royals, not the Tigers.

[MVP]

Well just at the moment cause the Yankees and Jays are in a series and the Sox and Jays both won.

[Gertner]

Big win for my jays:)


Wells owns you

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Baseball Tonight is rumoring a trade, Mike Lowell for Jake Peavy. Why would the Red Sox do this trade? Peavy's career ERA is high 3's and one season was actually 4.01. If he came over to the American League you are looking at like a 4.50 ERA (atleast)

This better just be some bullshit put out by the media or something, I really hope this doesn't happen. Why hurt the best defense in the league for some average pitcher? They won the World Series in '04 with sick D and thats how they are leading in the AL East right now. Have they not watched any Yankees games this year? How many A-Rod errors have led to loses?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

-EDIT was reading the wrong statline

lol some faggot even suggested moving Youk to thrid after this trade (which would happen) but then going out and picking up Millar to replace Youk at 1st base. wow

[MVP]

I know I wanna trade our gold glove, .300 hitting 3rd baseman for a pitcher who has a losing record on a winning team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am actaully wrong, I was reading the wrong stat line. He has a career ERA of 3.33

and in 2004 had an ERA of 2.27 then in 2005 had an ERA of 2.88. San Diego definetly isn't going to make this trade though.

After seeing this I'd definetly make this trade, they could call up Pedoria if they did.

[ct2k]

Man, if the Yankees had had any kind of a decent start this season we'd be top of the East right now, fucktwats

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I remember when this season started somebody (cant remember who) on this board claimed that A-Rod was better defensively than Lowell or that MAYBE it was a wash.

[ct2k]

A-Rod clearly isn't in our line-up for his defense

[Dragon]

Yeah, I would trade Peavy for Lowell in a minute. He's struggling a bit this year but he's only 25. Granted, his numbers will fall off a bit in the AL but that seems like a good deal.

[Adder]

Peavey is one of the better pitchers. Period. He's the kind of guy you trade Manny Ramirez for. San Diego could do way better than that in terms of a return. Abreu or Wells jump to mind.

[ct2k]

I'd take Wells over Abreu and Lowell.

[Adder]

BTW, if you take a look at ERA all over the place, they are climbing year after year after year. Besides smaller ballparks in general, there are several debatable reasons for this.

[Adder]

I still think the Jays are crazy to consider moving Wells, but that's being suggested ever so quietly. If I'm JP, I sign him to a fat multi-year deal, just like he did for Glauss or AJ. I'm pretty sure there's a bit of friction between those two, but still, you got to get past that as a GM and lock a guy like that up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Wow, John Maine with an absolute gem tonight :cool:

Complete game 4-hit shutout</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

BLAST OFF 8 runs off of Moyer in like 4 innings. Sox up 8-0 RITE NOW

Work at 8 am though :-\...fucking west coast games

[Gertner]

Suck on that Yankees. Nice starting rotation ya got there.

[Joey Slugs]

A good trivia question came up at the bar tonight:

Name the only player in Major League Baseball history to hit a home run in his first career at-bat and never hit another one for the rest of his career.

He played for 21 years.

[The Miz]

Giants get:
3B/1B Shea Hillenbrand
RP Vinnie Chulk

Blue Jays get:
RP Jeremy Accardo

lol JP you douche. At least get a prsopect or something. Accardo is shite. Probably the best move of Brian Sabean´s life though (not saying much, this guy traded Francisco Liriano and Joe Nathan for AJ Pierzynski)

BUT CHULKAMANIA IS GONNA RUN WILD ALL OVER THE BAY AREA BROTHER

[The Miz]

Also me and my friend invented a new game, ¨Try not to laugh while the Angels are on defense¨. It´s lots of fun but I´ve lost every time so far. Last night was a classic, Adam Kennedy botches a DP and Cy Bartolo gives up a 3 run bomb to David DeJesus WOOOOO

[YOUR Hero]

Miz, JP had to get this Hillenbrand thing behind him. Could he have gotten a better deal?- Maybe, but it's best to get it over with.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I heard Hillenbrand had interest in playing for the Red Sox again, makes sense seeing how he called Epstein a faggot on live radio about 4 or so years ago.

[YOUR Hero]

He couldn't have gone to a more appropriate team as far as I'm concerned. I'm a big hater of the Giants, so he's right where I like it.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Kason Gabbard for Cy Young!!!!!!!!!

[The Miz]

Miz, JP had to get this Hillenbrand thing behind him. Could he have gotten a better deal?- Maybe, but it's best to get it over with.

Obviously Hilly needed to leave but I am 100% certain there was a MUCH better deal available. Hell, giving up only Chulk for Accardo is a loss for Toronto. What JP should have done is gotten 1 or 2 prospects mediocre to below average prospects. Guys that probably aren´t going to make the big leagues are better than a guy with an ERA of almost 5 in an NL pitchers park.

[The Miz]

Kason Gabbard for Cy Young!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who gives up hits to Willie Bloomquist and Adrian Beltre in the same game should retire immediately

[YOUR Hero]

The flaw in your argument, Miz is that every else agrees that the Jays got a good prospect in return. Chulk, well I don't quite understand why he was included, but he's been nothing short of mediocre.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Anyone who gives up hits to Willie Bloomquist and Adrian Beltre in the same game should retire immediately
lol He is like the Red Sox 9th best minor league pitcher..cut the poor guy some slack. He only gave up 2 runs. Thank god for Tavarez though, had to make sure to give up about 4

[YOUR Hero]

I heard the Padres where interested in acquiring Beltre. Seems like a big payday to pick up for a guy that's overpriced for what he delivers. Never mid the fact that Petco field is seen as a pitchers park, so his (Beltre) offensive numbers would presumably be expected to drop further.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"If you want to look at this trade from a baseball standpoint it's Accardo for Chulk and Hillenbrand for $2 million in savings," Ricciardi said. "That's how we are looking at it."

-CBSSportsline

[YOUR Hero]

Yeah he's (JP) is saying it gives him some cash for another player for a playoff push OR some more freed up money for a free agent come the off season.

[mrslackalack]

I heard the Padres where interested in acquiring Beltre. Seems like a big payday to pick up for a guy that's overpriced for what he delivers. Never mid the fact that Petco field is seen as a pitchers park, so his (Beltre) offensive numbers would presumably be expected to drop further.

Exactly, Beltre had that one incredible year a couple years back. Many picked him up first round fantasy wise the next year but stunk it up big time. Many felt Beltre had the monster year to get that huge contract.

[mrslackalack]

Armanis had 4 HR in 2 days. Too bad the Cubs are out of it.

[OssMan]

Dude every time I watch a Pujols at bat he hits a HR. He's nuts

[YOUR Hero]

HGH

[DaveWadding]

I hate Fox Saturday Baseball. I wanted to see Cubs/Nats today(they were the early game) and instead I got Sox/Mariners late. And next week they are playing the Cardinals in the late game, but I'm going to get Nats/Dodgers early. :|

In short, FUCK YOU FOX SATURDAY BASEBALL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol every single Fox Baseball announcer really hates Manny Ramirez, granted he did something stupid by watching a ball that cleary wasn't a homerun, they act like he is the worst person on the face of the earth. "He doesn't play the game the right way!" Shut the fuck up Steve Lyons, he plays the game a lot better than you could ever dream of. Ramirez isn't really a bad guy at all, he just does stupid shit out on the baseball feild. I guess that is worse than getting DUI's though - when is the last time you heard anyone say anything about Furcal on the Dodgers? How about Kenny Rogers when he basically punched a camera man? I hear nothing of that now. That Ramirez though, that guy doesn't play the game THE RIGHT WAY, he is a terrible human being.

[ct2k]

Fuckin ARod struckout in all 4 AB's yesterday :| No matter though, we cut the Sox lead a little thanks to Seattle (are they gonna make a run for it now?!). The White Sox are falling, only 1 1/2 ahead of us in the WC now:y:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Heading out to the game today :cool:

Pelfrey vs. Oswalt...should be interesting</font>

[Dragon]

Ponson pitching today, we'll see how that goes.

[Gertner]

Accardo can't be any worse then half the jays bull pen

[Gertner]

Ponson pitching today, we'll see how that goes.

lol very badly i predict.

[YOUR Hero]

predict and hope :D

[Gertner]

Wells with a 2 run jack in the first already:)