NFL 2006 Season Thread

[RP]

I've pretty much said it the last couple pages.

[SammyG]

I'm pullin for the Colts. Pats have had way too much success in the last few years. It's time for the Colts to have some too.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Tom Brady is good in domes, apparently

[Kris P Lettus]

SAINTS WIN!!!1!

[Kris P Lettus]

I can't f'n wait until Sunday BTW..

[VonErichLives]

I've pretty much said it the last couple pages.

You have? Ok, let’s look.

Indianapolis 42 New England 13

Well, there’s a prediction, I wouldn’t put money on that one… (The colts might win, I don’t see a blow out and of course you always predict this, so maybe you’re just hoping to be right once? Or you really believe it this time?)

And because this has set up so nicely for the Colts, i truely believe Manning might have a career defining game Sunday.

Ok, Manning has a career day.

Seriously though, who's guarding Reggie Wayne? Ellis Hobbs? Comon. And then who will cover Dallas Clark in the slot? I'm starting to think that New ENgland may get stretched so thin that Addai and Rhodes will have there way with them.

Ok, so the Pats have no one man to man that can cover Wayne or Clark, and somehow this will stretch the patriots out or “put them on their heels” to allow the run, even though the pats have the #2 run defense in the league.

Pats dont have the secondary to be able to blitz Manning that much imo. They're better off just doing what Baltimore did and drop there safteys back 25 yards. Cause if they blitz, they're leaving someone man to man and Manning is brilliant at finding where the blitz is coming from and where the man to man is. Marvin, Reggie and Dallas ( depending on whos covering him ) can all beat man to man coverage and the Pats will get shredded that way. Thats why the individual matchups matter. Ellis Hobbs cant cover Reggie Wayne 1 on 1. I'm sorry. Samuel might be able to do something with Marvin. I think he's a great cb, but Hobbs is in trouble.

Ok, same point as before, but this time you’re saying the Patriots one of the best defense in the league, doesn’t have the secondary to blitz? So that if they blitz, they don’t have players or coverage schemes that can hang with the colts WR/TE for 3 seconds? Even though every time the Pats beat the Colts it’s doing exactly that, Blitzing and bumping at the line which throw off all the timing patterns.

Colts defense is playing amazing, but you have to take it with a grain of salt kind of. Its hard to believe they can sustain what they're doing. Especially against New England

Wait, so the Colts defense isn’t going to play as good as it has? This is a reason to pick the Colts?


So, to summarize, your whole reason for winning basically boils down to this – You don’t think the Pats can win because they don’t have anyone who can go man-to-man with Harrison, Wayne and Clark.

Yeesh, if that’s all you got, expect a real long day on Sunday. Heck, I’m not a Colts fan nor do I follow the team much, but I could make a better argument then that for the colts winning.

[VonErichLives]

Tom Brady is good in domes, apparently

What's funny is the Superbowl is in Miami and every year not matter how good the Pats are or how bad Miami is or isn't, the Pats always have a tough time playing in Miami and some of Brady's career worst games are there. If they make the superbowl and loose I can already hear "It's the Miami jinx".

[RP]

LOL @ you taking all my things out of context and then arguing against the context that you put my sentences in. LOL . It really is VEL.

P.S. Stop barking about your defense. Did you watch the Baltimore game? We ran it down there throats, so why in the hell would you think that we couldnt do the same to you?

[RP]

My favorite Patriot fan argument has to be when someone like myself mentions that we've beaten you the last two times and you say " OHhh Umm Ohhh It wasnt the playoffs though!!!!! " LOL

[Crippla]

My favorite Patriot fan argument has to be when someone like myself mentions that we've beaten you the last two times and you say " OHhh Umm Ohhh It wasnt the playoffs though!!!!! " LOL
Playoffs is where it counts most. Patriots are different in the playoffs. You have to trust me when I say the Pats will Sunday.

[RP]

You have to trust me when i say you're an asshole.

[Crippla]

I'm not arguing with that but I stand by my prediction.

[Kris P Lettus]

My favorite Patriot fan argument has to be when someone like myself mentions that we've beaten you the last two times and you say " OHhh Umm Ohhh It wasnt the playoffs though!!!!! " LOL

Wait, earlier this season, your argument that the Colts were better than the Saints was that they make it to the playoffs every year.. I said it doesn't matter if you make it to the playoffs or not, if you don't win in the playoffs..

As a Colts fan, are you happy that y'all won't win a Super Bowl with Manning at QB?? Happy just beating the Pats in the regular season??

Cause that's what you are saying..

[RP]

No thats not what i'm saying you big stupid moron. I'm saying that its stupid to think that we cant beat the Patriots all of a sudden because its a playoff game. When clearly we've beat them the last two times we faced them. Its not like all of a sudden its a totally different team.

Do you even know what you wrote? It doesnt even make since.


" Wait, earlier this season, your argument that the Colts were better than the Saints was that they make it to the playoffs every year.. I said it doesn't matter if you make it to the playoffs or not, if you don't win in the playoffs.. "

I agree. It doesnt matter. And yes the Colts are better then the Saints. So whats your point? Then you go from that to this...


"As a Colts fan, are you happy that y'all won't win a Super Bowl with Manning at QB?? Happy just beating the Pats in the regular season??

Cause that's what you are saying.. "

Is that really what i said? How did you come up with that? Cause the Colts are better then the Saints ??

Making sense of your posts is like making sense of nothing. Its that hard. I have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. You just managed to tell me that because i said the Colts were better then the Saints, i'm happy cause we wont win a Super Bowl with Manning at QB and i'm happy with just beating the Pats in the regular season.


ummmmmmmmmmmmm You win man. I give up.

[Kris P Lettus]

You've been saying "Colts are great because we make it to the playoffs every year" for awhile now.. You also agree that "making it to the playoffs" really doesn't mean shit unless you make it to the Super Bowl.. But then you go on to say that it doesn't matter that the Pats have beaten y'all in said playoffs for years, because y'all beat them in the regular season, which doesn't matter because it's not the playoffs..

So, are you, as a Colts fan happy in just beating the Pats in the reguilar season and not doing shit in the playoffs??

Cause that's what your posts are saying..

[VonErichLives]

LOL @ you taking all my things out of context and then arguing against the context that you put my sentences in. LOL . It really is VEL.



No, this really is you being you, someone asks you to explain why you think the Colts will win and you don't.

I didn't take anything out of context, the only things you said were Manning will have a carreer day and the Pats can't cover the Colts WR/TE's.

That's the only reasons you gave to say they would win, look though the last few pages, thats it. Maybe you thought you explained why and you didn't?

My favorite Patriot fan argument has to be when someone like myself mentions that we've beaten you the last two times and you say " OHhh Umm Ohhh It wasnt the playoffs though!!!!! " LOL

Actually, it was your QB who said "The Patriots are a much different team in the playoffs"

LOL @ you taking all my things out of context and then arguing against the context that you put my sentences in. LOL . It really is VEL.

P.S. Stop barking about your defense. Did you watch the Baltimore game? We ran it down there throats, so why in the hell would you think that we couldnt do the same to you?

You did what?

Let's see.

Addai - 18 for 39, 2.16yds per carry, with a longest of 7. Take away the longest run he's 17 for 32, 1.88yds per carry

Rhodes - 14 for 56, 4yds per carry, with a longest of 25. Take away the longest run he's 13 for 31, 2.38yds per carry

Combined your two RB's didn't break 100yds, and if you take away that 1 big run by Rhodes (25yds) they combined for 70 yds on 31 carries which is 2.25yds per carry.

That's hardly running it down anyones throat.

[RP]

13 plays 12 runs 7 minutes, ball game. Just because we didnt do it all game, doesnt mean we cant do it when it counts. Its not like Indy's running game has been pathetic all season. They're very solid unit of runner. Lets not get started on Mr. I'm a Running Back and I Need Oxygen After 50 Yards, or Mr. Inconsistency himself Lawrence Mahoney.

Stop acting like we cant run the ball. They've done it all season. They did it when it mattered the most last week. They did it to Kansas City. They'll do it to New England.


You wanna know how the Colts will beat New England? They're gunna put 8 men in the box and stop your running game just like they did during the regular season. Then Nick Harper ( probably the most underated CB in the league ) and Jason David are gunna jam your WR's and not let them break off the line. Brady will complete a few passes, but for maybe 3, 4 yards. Colts will keep everything in front of them. And the Pats will be punting alot. Then Hoody Boy Billy will decide to go deep. His running games failing, the short game isnt doing enough to put points up with the Colts. So now Brady starts to drop back 5 yards, sometimes 7 yards. And thats when the breakaway will happen. It'll probably be a tie game or Colts by 7. Brady will drop back and BOOOM! Freeney or Mathis crushes him. You know why? Cause your offensive line aint got nothing for Freeney or Mathis. NOTHING. Dont give me this " Well we shut down Merriman " crap either. Merriman isnt on both sides of the line. Brady will have both Dwight and Robert in his face all day long. And mistakes will happen. And the great Joe Mont...Tom Brady will be holding his head between his hands come the 4th quarter when Indy is up by 24 points cause Brady turn the ball over.

Why dont you tell us how the Patriots will beat the Colts.

[VonErichLives]

13 plays 12 runs 7 minutes, ball game. Just because we didnt do it all game, doesnt mean we cant do it when it counts. Its not like Indy's running game has been pathetic all season. They're very solid unit of runner. Lets not get started on Mr. I'm a Running Back and I Need Oxygen After 50 Yards, or Mr. Inconsistency himself Lawrence Mahoney.

Stop acting like we cant run the ball. They've done it all season. They did it when it mattered the most last week. They did it to Kansas City. They'll do it to New England.



Never said the Colts can't run the ball, you’re the one who claimed they "ran it down the ravens throats" and the truth is, they didn't. The truth is your offense had a horrible game and your defense won you the game.

As for Maroney? What did you see some highlight where had an oxygen mask somewhere? When? Both teams have good running games but different styles. Both the Pats backs are Physical, Rhodes isn't, Addai I haven't watched enough to know if he's a run through or around type RB.

You wanna know how the Colts will beat New England? They're gunna put 8 men in the box and stop your running game just like they did during the regular season. Then Nick Harper ( probably the most underated CB in the league ) and Jason David are gunna jam your WR's and not let them break off the line. Brady will complete a few passes, but for maybe 3, 4 yards. Colts will keep everything in front of them. And the Pats will be punting alot. Then Hoody Boy Billy will decide to go deep. His running games failing, the short game isnt doing enough to put points up with the Colts. So now Brady starts to drop back 5 yards, sometimes 7 yards. And thats when the breakaway will happen. It'll probably be a tie game or Colts by 7. Brady will drop back and BOOOM! Freeney or Mathis crushes him. You know why? Cause your offensive line aint got nothing for Freeney or Mathis. NOTHING. Dont give me this " Well we shut down Merriman " crap either. Merriman isnt on both sides of the line. Brady will have both Dwight and Robert in his face all day long. And mistakes will happen. And the great Joe Mont...Tom Brady will be holding his head between his hands come the 4th quarter when Indy is up by 24 points cause Brady turn the ball over.

Why dont you tell us how the Patriots will beat the Colts.

Finally, a semi-logical explanation of how the Colts can win. It's too logical for you, I'm guessing you copied it from somewhere, and then threw in your comments about Belicheck (oh no, you insulted him for wearing a hooded sweatshirt) and then Joe Mont... Yes, a lot of people compare Brady to Montana, and they compare Manning to Marino... 2 of the 4 have rings and 2 of the 4 don't.

I'm not going to argue against your reasons for a Colt win, it's actually close to how I think the Colts could win, I don't think it's putting 8 in the box however, I think it's jamming the Pats undersized WR at the line, and using your LB to jam up the Pats TE's forcing the Pats to run all day, and the Colts defense has been playing good against the run in the playoffs.

Now, for the flip side, why I think the Pats will win. (This, unlike you I actually already did say).

They're going to Blitz Manning and jam the WR/TE and throw off the timing patterns, same things they have done every other time they've beat the Colts.
As for your Pass Rush, for once the entire OL is healthy, Light had the game of his career last week and the Patriots have the best blocking TE's in the league and both Dillon and Maroney are good at picking up the Blitz.


**A side note, I was reading about the crew officiating, and long story short they're old school "let them play" refs, which doesn't help the colts when the pats play physical defense.


OH and a score.
Pats – 23
Colts – 17

I’m saying both defenses step up and it’s low scoring.

[RP]

Yah and when you blitz. Screen passes to our running backs all day. After the first couple times, you'll see that so called blitz being called fewer and far between. Manning is one of the best at picking up the Blitz and reading the coverage, granted, he's playing a 3-4 defense that always seems to give him fits, but he handled it against Baltimore and made plays when he had to. Your blitz is crap with your slow linebackers. Theirs not one guy on your linebacking core who the Colts should be really worried about if he should show blitz. Not one. Colvin is ok, but he's not some huge playmaker and Vrable, Izzo and Bruschi are slow. Have fun with that blitz. Patriots will get picked apart blitzing. Would make no sense to blitz all game long. If they do, they'll probably get burned. So what if you jam Marvin and Reggie. They're too of the best recievers in the league. You think they dont know how to beat the bump coverage? Comon. Plus, who you jamming Clark with? And then who's taking Addai out of the backfield and all this while you're " blitzing ". Ok.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I called them soft because they react poorly to aggressive corners and whenever they go over the middle they hit the ground as soon as possible (Reggie Wayne is from THE U though so that is expected)

They are still all pro widereciever, shit Deion Sanders is a hall of fame cornerback but he was soft as shit too, just because you play soft doesn't mean you aren't good

Running 12 out of 13 times in a drive is a good example of your wideouts not being soft though

[Kris P Lettus]

My dad recorded the Saints/Eagles game and put it on DVD commercial free with the pre and post game shit for me and my bro.. Even made a cover for it..

Without the premission of the NFL!!1!

AWESOME

[weather vane]

wow RP

Colts have no chance

[VonErichLives]

Yah and when you blitz. Screen passes to our running backs all day. After the first couple times, you'll see that so called blitz being called fewer and far between. Manning is one of the best at picking up the Blitz and reading the coverage, granted, he's playing a 3-4 defense that always seems to give him fits, but he handled it against Baltimore and made plays when he had to. Your blitz is crap with your slow linebackers. Theirs not one guy on your linebacking core who the Colts should be really worried about if he should show blitz. Not one. Colvin is ok, but he's not some huge playmaker and Vrable, Izzo and Bruschi are slow. Have fun with that blitz. Patriots will get picked apart blitzing. Would make no sense to blitz all game long. If they do, they'll probably get burned. So what if you jam Marvin and Reggie. They're too of the best recievers in the league. You think they dont know how to beat the bump coverage? Comon. Plus, who you jamming Clark with? And then who's taking Addai out of the backfield and all this while you're " blitzing ". Ok.

I've heard this all before from you, if it's all true then the Colts should win.

However these are the same things you've said before, and so far it's never happened.

Replace Addai with Edge, how is this team any different then the ones before?

Maybe this is the time the Colts finally do it, but all your saying is what you've said every other time and it's never worked.

The pats LB are slow? Izzo? you mean Banta-Cain? right? You do know what you're talking about right?

If the Pats keep Blitzing Addai wont be rolling out for a screen, he'll be in between the blitz and Manning trying to give Manning an extra second to throw.

The pats have one of the best defensive fronts in the league, they stopped the run all year, not like the Colts who got run on all year and just started stopping the run the last 2 weeks. Seymore, Wilfork, Warren have been shutting down the run all season.

Wayne and Harrison can handle being jamed at the line? I'm sure then know how, they just never have in the playoffs.

We'll see what happens, as I've said... I give the Colts the best chance this time, that's my opinion based on the way their defense has played the last 2 weeks, but I heard from you 2yrs ago that it was the Colts time... our defense... etc... etc...

talk to you Sunday night.

[Kris P Lettus]

WHERE'S JOEY SLUGS AT?!?!?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_Day/06_01_10/05TroyBrownWildCard.jpg

[VonErichLives]

Peyton Manning, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around.

They came to a modest little house with a faded Colts flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Peyton," said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here."

Peyton felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house.
On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a 3-story mansion with a Silver and blue sidewalk, a 50-foot tall flagpole with an enormous Patriots logo flag, and in every window, a New England Patriots towel.

Peyton looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful,but I have a question. I was an all-pro QB, I hold many NFL records, and I even went to the Hall of Fame."

God said "So what's your point Peyton?"

We ll, why does Tom Brady get a better house than me?"

God chuckled, and said:

"Peyton, that's not Tom's house, it's MINE"

[Kris P Lettus]

Some old lady just flagged me down at a red light and tried to buy the Saints flag on my car..

[Kris P Lettus]

Jeff Samarja(sp?) from Notre Dame signed with the Cubs..

No NFL for him..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He's signed with the Cubs in '06, played in the minors during that Summer then still played for ND in the fall. So unless something new has come out and I haven't seen it, I dunno why he would give up on the NFL already

-edit..just checked it out, weak...he shoulda atleast tried playing both. Deion did it

[Crimson]

Yea, he coulda,shoulda done both. Maybe cuz money isn't guaranteed in the NFL was the reason or what?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well he probably felt he couldn't make it in baseball while playing football, he is starting out in A ball and is going to have to work his way up for a few years. Its not like he is in Sanders position where he could play both pretty well right off the bat (no pun intended)

[RP]

I'm not sure he had the speed to make it as a NFL reciever. His body type and his athleticsism was perfect fit for the prototype pitcher. They say he's a Randy Johnson type pitcher in the making. I think he made the right move. I dont see him having as good of a career as say Drew Bennett, who's been rather average.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno I still would have given it a shot, he was a projected first rounder.

[RP]

Yah, but WR is the most stacked position in the draft this year. He probably would have been a 2nd maybe even 3rd depending on his draft workouts. I think he made a good move.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Jarrett, Ted Ginn Jr

Who else are you taking over Jeff Samardzija? I dunno I think being a top 4 wideout usually lands you in the first round

[Kris P Lettus]

He would've been a decent NFL player..

[VonErichLives]

I'm not sure he had the speed to make it as a NFL reciever. His body type and his athleticsism was perfect fit for the prototype pitcher. They say he's a Randy Johnson type pitcher in the making. I think he made the right move. I dont see him having as good of a career as say Drew Bennett, who's been rather average.

Didn't know there was a "body type" for a pitcher... as for Randy Johnson, anyone over a certain height gets compared to him.

He probably would have been fine as an NFL WR, he has the ability.

That being said, he made a good choice, "Samardzija said longevity and the chance of injury were not major factors in his decision to go with baseball over football."
Might not have been, but makes sense to me.

Also, he got a good deal for baseball.

5yrs, 10 million with a 2.5mil signing bonus (I'm not 100% if the 2.5 is part of the 10mil) and there are cubs options for year 6 and 7 which turns it into a 16.5mil deal.

Plus he got a no trade clause put in, which is very rare in mlb these days, especially someone that young.

There was also mention about him offering to give back the signing bonus over the 5yrs, I'm not sure if that was if he changes his mind, or if the major league team calls him up and has the cap room, the espn article doesn't specify.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Samardzija agreed to that to signing bonus refund thing to show that he was 100% committed to baseball

[Bazooka]

let me settle this argument. Saints win, Colts win

Saints win.

[Crippla]

Colts win

.
WRONG!

[Kris P Lettus]

let me settle this argument. Saints win, Colts win

Saints win.

SAINTS WIN!!1!

[YOUR Hero]

Vick In Airport Water Bottle Incident

Container held for further review after possible pot residue found

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0118071inside1.jpg JANUARY 18--Miami police are investigating NFL star Michael Vick after airport screeners yesterday seized a water bottle from him at a security checkpoint and later discovered that the bottle included a "concealed compartment" that appeared to contain a small amount of marijuana. According to a Miami-Dade Police Department report, a copy of which you'll find below, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback was "reluctant to turn over his water bottle during the screening process" at Miami International Airport (the athlete was booked on an AirTran flight to Atlanta). Vick subsequently relinquished the 20-ounce Aquafina bottle, which was placed in a recycling bin by a Transportation Security Administration screener. Suspicious as to why Vick hesitated in handing over the bottle, TSA screener Gertrude Joseph retrieved the bottle, notified her supervisor, and brought the item to the TSA operations center. There, officials discovered (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0118071mexico2.html) that the bottle's label "contained a seam which separated the top and the bottom of the bottle. Both ends were sealed by clear partitions and what appeared to be a silicone sealant." The concealed compartment, the report notes, contained "a small amount of dark particulate and a pungent aroma closely associated with Marijuana." It appears that Vick had departed to Atlanta before the screeners had finished analyzing his water bottle, which was transported to the Miami-Dade Police Department lab for analysis. Following the 2002 arrests of members of a Miami-based Ketamine ring, Drug Enforcement Administration agents pointed out a "new smuggling trick" being used by traffickers: Aquafina water bottles outfitted with "a hidden compartment for drugs." Click here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0118071mexico3.html) to view a DEA evidence photo showing three of the seized Aquafina bottles. The retrofitted $15 bottle can now be found for sale online, where it is advertised as a "diversion safe." (3 pages)



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0118071mexico1.html

[Crippla]

Heard about it. Pretty ROFL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty obvious he smokes weed, who really cares?

[VonErichLives]

way to read the thread Hero... that news was sooooooooo 2pages ago... keep up with the times old man! :p

Stima, who "really cares?"
where do we start... Team Owner, Coach, Sponsers (Nfl, Falcons and Vicks), probably some team mates, fans, parents of children who are falcons fans and vick fans...

I may have missed a few... but yeah, it's illegal, it has a negative effect on the brain and for a player who's knock is he can't handle an offense, a guy who's still touted as one of the best athletes in the league, but can't read a defense..

yeah, it means a lot.

Atlanta has a new coach, and a backup QB that could start on a lot of teams... wouldn't be shocked to see Vick in a deal to Oakland, probably over paying with multiple round 1 picks (just guessing because of how Al Davis operates).

[Crimson]

lol..yea that would be hilarious if Oakland traded the #1 pick for Vick. Then Atlanta would swiftly pick up Calvin Johnson.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This whole weed thing will blow over in about 3 weeks and everyone will forget about it. It is weed, not crack or herion or something.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://drunkathletes.synergyofsports.com/images/11270-16549/Mike_Vick_Blunt.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

That's his throwing hand..

:cool:

[RP]

This whole weed thing will blow over in about 3 weeks and everyone will forget about it. It is weed, not crack or herion or something.


If i were paying this guy 100 million dollars. I'd probably care.

[RP]

I get the feeling the Bears are just sitting back and waiting. Not saying one word. Flying under the radar and come tommorow, they're gunna pounce on New Orleans so hard. Thats just the feeling i get. No one is talking about the Bears.

[Skippord]

With my luck The Bears will get blown out and I'll die a little more inside

[VonErichLives]

This whole weed thing will blow over in about 3 weeks and everyone will forget about it. It is weed, not crack or herion or something.

If they don't press any charges the new cycle will probably be less then that. What pushed this one was the imediate statement by (I forget if it was the owner or the team president) but it condemed him a guilty before anything had been decided. Rather then the usual "we'll wait and see the findings" it was a "he let this organization down" etc...

That being said, even once the "new cycle" is over, it will effect endorsment deals, also I would assume if they report it was weed, I'd expect a 1st time offense 4-game suspension from the nfl.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://drunkathletes.synergyofsports.com/images/11270-16549/Mike_Vick_Blunt.jpg

RON MEXICO LOOKIN GOOD

[Crippla]

This type of thing always gets more negative attention than it deserves though. I assume Vick will have a 4-game suspension like VEL said.

[Kris P Lettus]

With my luck The Bears will get blown out and I'll die a little more inside

That would be lucky for both of us..

[Kris P Lettus]

Saints 34
Bears 21

Jim Mora Jr is gonna sign as a Seahawks Assistant Head Coach..

[BCWWF]

Lol, if Vick is out four games that is going to fuck up Petrino's start there, since he is apparently designing their offense specifically around him... Oops.

But yeah, I think something like this will stick around with Vick for a long time. Not a huge deal, but it is a stigma that will follow him, the stoner who can't read a defense.

[Gonzo]

Pats v. Colts
From the limited amount of time I've seen the Colts play recently, I've noticed their defense has been playing well. In some strange way the offense (more so Peyton, has been sputtering, and when I say that I mean not typical Peyton Manning) while the defense has been nuts. On the other hand, the Patriots are just something to behold. They just show up in the playoffs, period. They're well coached and it shows. They just go out and win ball games. I really can't predict this one, I think its going to be a hell of a game.

Saints v. Bears
Saints are flying high right now (no lie, they're ballllllinnnn) I was glad to see them beat the Eagles in a close game. Shows they can fight it out in a close one. The Bears also stuck it out against the Hawks. I think this game is going to be a good one. Its all going to be who lands that huge knockout blow (or inversely, makes the inoppurtune mistake) I think the Saints will be able to put up points on the weakened Bears D, but I also think that if Grossman plays halfway decent the Bears will be able to match that. I think this one is going to be real good.

Superbowl
No matter who goes out of the 4 teams, I think the game is going to better than a lot of people expect. The general consensus, it seems, is that the AFC is going to kill the NFC. I don't think thats the case. I think if the Patriots go, they will win, purely because they've been there multiple times and experience gives them an edge. I think the Saints have a better shot than the Bears if they made it to the Superbowl. I think right now the Bears are the weakest link, Patriots the strongest, with the Saints and Colts close in the middle. My ideal matchup would be the Saints v. Pats or the Colts, so long as the Bears don't go.

[YOUR Hero]

Pretty obvious he smokes weed, who really cares?

this guy's star is falling. he better care

[BCWWF]

Lol, there is a facebook group called "Hey New Orleans, you thought Katrina kicked your ass? Just wait for the Bears"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah everyone is sleepin on the Bears in this match up, I dunno Saints are good but its not like they destoried everyone they faced this year. Gonna be real close I think

Has Reggie Bush ever even played a game where it was cold out?

[RP]

Is Reggie Bush even alive right now? I'm pretty sure i saw Lito Sheppard rip his heart out during that hit.

[BCWWF]

Back to the Samardzjida topic from last page, Sidney Rice is another top WR, I'd probably take him over Samardzjida. Collegefootballnews has it's first mock draft up, and they have like five WR's in the first round, so it probably wasn't as bright for him as this thread alluded to.

It has Dwayne Jarrett being taken like 10th and Ginn going like 20th though, which I don't see happening. It also has the Vikings taking Adrian Peterson.

[RP]

You cant even measure Rex Grossmans horribleness on regulation scales. I mean, i think 99% of NFL offensive lineman complete that TD pass in the back of the endzone. Ethan Allbright completes that pass.

Also, what a horrible fumble call on the kickoff return.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Fuck the Bears. Personally speaking, I hate them.

But admittedly, they are awesome. Just wanna see some Saints Super Bowl action. :cool:

[RP]

The only difference between Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton is that Orton is probably hung over right now. Even then, i think i'd take Kyle Orton.

[RP]

If the Bears had Jon Kitna and that stupid ass lineman falls on that fumble, the Bears are probably up 21-0 right now. JON KITNA

[Crippla]

Tully Banta-Cain has 2 post season sacks. :y:

[Crippla]

Wow, Rex Grossman sucks. It's a good thing NO isn't doing shit right now.

[Skippord]

I demand Brian Griese be put in the game

actually nevermind

[RP]

Lovie Smith probably was the COTY this year. I dont know how the hell the Bears got to this point with Rex Grossman as there QB.

[Bazooka]

ouch td, although I am not too supportive of the saints anyway, I only picked em cause I really liked the turn around, but I wouldve preferred, chargers, ravens or even seahawks. As long as Pats don't win the superbowl, it'll be cool.

[Crippla]

Saints finally got a TD before the half 16-7.

[DrA]

way to read the thread Hero... that news was sooooooooo 2pages ago... keep up with the times old man! :p

Stima, who "really cares?"
where do we start... Team Owner, Coach, Sponsers (Nfl, Falcons and Vicks), probably some team mates, fans, parents of children who are falcons fans and vick fans...

I may have missed a few... but yeah, it's illegal, it has a negative effect on the brain and for a player who's knock is he can't handle an offense, a guy who's still touted as one of the best athletes in the league, but can't read a defense..

yeah, it means a lot.

Atlanta has a new coach, and a backup QB that could start on a lot of teams... wouldn't be shocked to see Vick in a deal to Oakland, probably over paying with multiple round 1 picks (just guessing because of how Al Davis operates).

lol you are a huge doofus.

[Gonzo]

Tully Banta-Cain

Sounds like a Star Wars character.

[Triple A]

REGGIE BUSH

[Bazooka]

flippin sweet 88 yards, another td, saints are now behind by 2, 14-16.

[Skippord]

Fuck Reggie Bush and his unbelievable abilities

[KingofOldSchool]

7-0 Baby

[Crippla]

They need to get more pressure on Manning though.

[KingofOldSchool]

Looks like the Colts "run defense" didn't show up today.

[Champion of Europa]

lol Colts

[Crippla]

Vinatieri never misses a field goal. Pats' defense does look good with covering the receivers.

[KingofOldSchool]

Maybe if Manning wasn't so worried about making a big play, they could be doing just a little bit better.

[Crippla]

LOL yeah, always trying to go deep but Samuel and Hobbs had great coverage there.

[KingofOldSchool]

WOOOO Troy Brown

[KingofOldSchool]

Bye Bye Colts

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

[KingofOldSchool]

Soooooo...how about that Colts Defense?

[KingofOldSchool]

Wrong jersey, Choke Manning.

[Crippla]

ASANTE SAMUEL!!! He's the next Ty Law for the Patriots.

[KingofOldSchool]

Choke is probably on the sideline right now crying.

[KingofOldSchool]

Manning's already on his back in defeat.

[KingofOldSchool]

Bring on Jim Sorgi.

[Skippord]

Wow this is awful

[KingofOldSchool]

Marvin can't even catch the ball.

This is sad, but for all of the right reasons.

[Crippla]

Indy finally got a first down. 18 yards, fuck.

[MVP]

God I love Asante Samuel. Been saying that all season.

[weather vane]

weird the colts losing to the pats

who would of thought?

[Crippla]

Anyone with a brain.

[Corndad]

God I hate the Pats, Can't stand the Colts much more but, God I hate the Patriots. Let's go Bears. Freakin eh.

[YOUR Hero]

21-13

[Boondock Saint]

*19

[Champion of Europa]

FUCK THE COLTS.

I'm from Indiana and I say FUCK EM.

[Crippla]

He was not out of bounds. This is bullshittttttttttt.

[Skippord]

Fuck both teams(mostly the Patriots)

[McLegend]

This game is great

[KingofOldSchool]

COME ON PATS

[KingofOldSchool]

FUUUUUCCKKK

[KingofOldSchool]

That would be hilarious and ironic if Vinateri missed a FG at the end of the game.

[KingofOldSchool]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Crimson]

Great game.

[Crimson]

Game of the year in fact..top 5 of all time

[McLegend]

I don't think anyone can call a Payton Manning a choke artist anymore.

[McLegend]

also will Reche Caldwell become the modern day Bill Buckner?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Incredible. Fucking incredible.

Bears vs. Colts sounds intriguing. On one hand I want the Bears to win so that NFC will have a win for the first time in awhile. On the other hand I want the Colts to win so I don't have to hear "Peyton Manning is the next Dan Marino" for another year</font>

[Crimson]

lol Caldwell's bugeyes made it that much funnier. What a game though...Manning was holding back tears on the way to the locker room

[KingofOldSchool]

They haven't won a Super Bowl yet.

This was moral victory for the Colts, but they still need one more before they can really lay off the talks.

[OssMan]

Peyton Manning is on his back in defeat right now

[OssMan]

what are you gonna say when the colts win the superbowl? "but they haven't won two superbowls yet"

[MVP]

I said it in the other thread. The Colts earned that victory, as much as I didn't want to see it happen.

Rooting for Chicago for the Bowl though.

[MTH15]

Peyton deserved it WHAT A GAME

[RP]

Hmm you know what. I was gunna qoute all these negative qoutes. Especially the ones KingOfOldSchool has been making all year. But i dont have to. I think everyone pretty much realises that you're a flaming idiot. I dont have to go out of my way to make you look bad. Its just so obvious. BTW dumbass. Bandwagon is gone. I know you live in INDY. Dont be rooting for INDY. You tried to be the " Cool guy" like every year and act like the Colts cant win the big one and Manning is a choke artist. Sucks for you bro. I've been on the bandwagon since 1990 and i never gave up hope that we'd one day play the biggest game there is. I wish you handnt tried to be the " Cool Guy" cause maybe you could enjoy this even as half as much as i'm enjoying it right now. Like i said. Sucks for you.



What an unbelievable game. Anyone that says Manning cant win the big one, is just plain dumb. Sorry. The guy brought us back from 18 points down for god sakes. Unbelievable. This feels amazing and the Patriots were awsome. Best game i've seen in a long long time. I cannot wait for the Superbowl. This just feels amazing. All the tuff losses. All the bad mouthing of our team and Peyton. Man this feels great. Call me what you want on this board, but i never gave up hope in my team like KoOS and these other haters. Man this is amazing. I'm going to sleep so good tonight.

[OssMan]

didnt you go to the game?

[Nervous Ferret]

Way to go NOt Patriots!

[RP]

didnt you go to the game?

No, i wish i could bro. I really do. I went to the KC game, but tickets were outrageous. 1500-6500$. I kid not. I wanted to go so bad, but it doesnt even matter . I'm on cloud 9 right now.

[DrA]

The Colts still need to win the Super Bowl in order for Manning to not be a choke artist.

[OssMan]

by the way no one would be making nearly as big a deal of this if the colts beat the Ravens or something.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Damn......Colts finally made it to the Superbowl

Just disappointed cuz Brady > Manning

lemme know when Manning makes Gaffney look like a pro bowler

Can't take anything away from Indy though, they finally won the big one, lets see what happens in the Superbowl

Pretty depressed right now though, this shit is gay

[UmbrellaCorporation]

lol, prophecy.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=dbnhXDaHE9o&mode=related&search=


Watch the whole thing. :lol:


So here's hoping that the Colts destroy the Bears. And I mean destroy.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Really depressed right now though, fucking can't believe this shit..........Patriots could have completely buried the Colts and Manning and all that gay shit for good............damn

[RP]

Really depressed right now though, fucking can't believe this shit..........Patriots could have completely buried the Colts and Manning and all that gay shit for good............damn

But lets be for real. Manning came up huge when we needed him most. 3 years ago, Samule picks that pass and runs it back, its over. But Manning was amazing.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah ill admit Manning finally grew a ball sack

I am also hammered and cant blieve this shit, wow........fuck

[VonErichLives]

I'm too tired now to read all the posts but I'll say this.

Congrats RP and other Colts fans, what a great game to watch, what a great 2nd half comeback and game in general.

No excuses, no bad calls to blame, both teams were in positions to win the game, and the Colts did.

Good luck in the Superbowl, I think the Colts should beat the Bears, but the way the Bears destroyed the Saints today makes me think it could be a closer game then I originally thought.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Def think the Colts are gonna win in the Superbowl, even though I don't want them too, but I can see them winning by 14+

[RP]

Reche Caldwell gave a new meaning to " Deer in Headlights " with those eyes. LOL What was wrong with dudes eyes?

[RP]

LOL @ Jim Mora Jr. " Coincidently " taking the assitant job in Seattle.

[RP]

I'll tell you what i really hate right now. And its weird cause i just realised this, but i really hate how bad Dan Marino's name is getting run through the mud. Intentionally or not. Everyone keeps saying stuff like " Manning is trying to not be the Marino of his era ". Like " Whoa you dont want to be like that loser Dan Marino , he sucks "

Dan Marino was amazing and all this Manning cant win the big game , stuff has really shined some unwanted critisicm on Dan Marino's career. Kind of sad.



Early thought on the Superbowl. If the Bears get behind early, it could be a blowout. If Rex Grossman has to make plays, the Bears are in trouble.

[Joey Slugs]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

MIAMI BABY!

[Skippord]

Reche Caldwell gave a new meaning to " Deer in Headlights " with those eyes. LOL What was wrong with dudes eyes?
Kinda looked like he was gonna murder someone

[Kris P Lettus]

Is Reggie Bush even alive right now? I'm pretty sure i saw Lito Sheppard rip his heart out during that hit.

It was Sheldon Brown..

Lito Shepard had a dislocated elbow..

[Kris P Lettus]

NOT DISAPOINTED IN MY BOYS

We need cornerbacks..

I've seen the Saints lose before and prolly will again..

Next year, the NFC is OURS..

Who Dat??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I still cant believe this gay shit :(

[Mr. Monday Morning]

We need cornerbacks..

Yeah no shit. McKenzie's not bad for a #2 corner but Fred Thomas is an absolute joke. Any clue how much cap room you have? I'd imagine it's quite a bit considering how cheap the defence is. Go sign Nate Clements...

[VonErichLives]

next day... same feeling, disapointed, but not crushed... it's not like game 7, 2003 when Boone hit the HR.

The Colts played a great game, the Pats were in position to win, they had the ball, they had time outs, they had good feild position, and they lost.

Best quote I heard "At hald time everyone knew it was over, everyone except for the Colts".

Good for the Colts.

As for the Pats, well, we were a few yds and a few points away from another superbowl apperance, and we have two #1 picks next year. Samuel will be gone, he's an unrestricted free agent, and I think Grahm is a restricted free agent, and with Thomas & Watson, I wouldn't be shocked if they let Grahm get signed and took the compensation. I'll expect the first round picks going defense. CB being a big need and LB someone for depth and to learn the system a year or two behined the guys we have now.

[Kris P Lettus]

Any clue how much cap room you have?

$20,200,000 as of March 2006..

We'll see..

[Kris P Lettus]

Fred Thomas had over 1000 yards and 8 TD's thrown on him this season...

Get him outta here..

:wavesad:

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Crippla]

Good news for Vick...

[Joey Slugs]

ESPN Breaking News:

Ride Over: Cowboys' Parcells Retiring

(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738949) Bill Parcells made up his mind: He is leaving the Cowboys. Parcells, who was 34-30 in four seasons in Dallas, says he is retiring from coaching. The Cowboys fell to the Seahawks in a first-round playoff game and have since seen most of their coaching staff leave. Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2738949)

[Crippla]

I think it's time he retires. He'll be a hall of fame coach imo.

[RP]

I'm willing to bet legit money that Jimmy Johnson gets rehired for the Cowboys job. I can see this coming from so far away.




Reche Caldwell is horrible, but how do both Caldwell and Brady not know what to do when Caldwell had no one covering him. There wasnt even anyone over the top. The Colts were in the wrong defense. Bathea the saftey, who would normally be over the top in cover 2, was the guy running from the LB position to get to Caldwell as the ball snapped. He took a horrible angle at getting to Caldwell. If Caldwell runs straight up the field and Brady just lofts it up. Caldwell runs right under the ball ( and probably drops it ) with no one withing 10 yards behind him. I guess it was Caldwells fault, but Brady snapped and immediately threw the ball to him. I thought that was lack of communication or experience with eachother. Thats something both guys should have known. I was shocked Caldwell broke it to a short hitch, screen type play. It was a sure TD if he just runs straight up field. Bathea was so horribly out of position.

[Kris P Lettus]

T.O. = Team Obliterator

[SammyG]

Fucking T.O. I hate that son of a bitch.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I'm willing to bet legit money that Jimmy Johnson gets rehired for the Cowboys job. I can see this coming from so far away.

Not if Al Davis gets there first.

[VonErichLives]

Jimmy Johnson wont come back to coaching, he doesn't miss it the way the others do, he makes good money and has plenty of free time.

Caldwell, had some bad plays, but without his catch vs. SD the Pats don't go to Indy.

Parcells will sit out next season (since if he goes anywhere Dallas gets picks, since he still had 1yr left) then will probably end up as President/GM for the Giants.

[ClockShot]

The Tuna retired. Wow. He had a good career. Would have loved to see him win one more bowl.

So. Let the debating begin as to who gets the Dallas head coach job.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm willing to bet legit money that Jimmy Johnson gets rehired for the Cowboys job. I can see this coming from so far away.




Reche Caldwell is horrible, but how do both Caldwell and Brady not know what to do when Caldwell had no one covering him. There wasnt even anyone over the top. The Colts were in the wrong defense. Bathea the saftey, who would normally be over the top in cover 2, was the guy running from the LB position to get to Caldwell as the ball snapped. He took a horrible angle at getting to Caldwell. If Caldwell runs straight up the field and Brady just lofts it up. Caldwell runs right under the ball ( and probably drops it ) with no one withing 10 yards behind him. I guess it was Caldwells fault, but Brady snapped and immediately threw the ball to him. I thought that was lack of communication or experience with eachother. Thats something both guys should have known. I was shocked Caldwell broke it to a short hitch, screen type play. It was a sure TD if he just runs straight up field. Bathea was so horribly out of position.Either way he catches that ball hes picking up a large chunk of yardage

Outside of that one play, Caldwell really had a great season. I mean it makes a lot of people forget about the Deion Branch trade that everyone thought was such a horrible move. For as much criticism the Patriots front office took this past off season, the season turned out pretty alright. 4 points away from a Superbowl

Still fucking stupid that it is Manning and the gay Colts though but I guess you deserve it if you lose a 21-3 point lead...atleast we get to hear about how Manning calls the plays at the line for the next 2 weeks...HOORAY :D

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jonathan Joseph got arrested for possession of marijuana

That's nine Bengals arrested for those keeping score at home.

This one should be interesting because Marvin said he was cracking down on discipline and he was going to get tougher. Joseph is essentially the future of the Bengals D so we'll see if Marvin has the balls to do anything drastic.

[Kris P Lettus]

I thought that was the tenth..

:?:

Or am I just thinking that because someone (CHris Henry??) got arrested twice??

[Gonzo]

Man I was thinking that if the Colts didn't win last night and anyone said Peyton Manning couldn't win the big one I'd probably give them the stunner. The dude took his team back to take the lead, he doesn't play every position on the field.

Anyways, kudos to the Colts/Pats, played a hell of a game.

[DrA]

I have a feeling that it was Jerry Jones who chased Parcells away. You can only take so much of that guy.

[MTH15]

I was watching PTI and they said that the Colts had a 7 Point favor. Even though thats not always true (Ravens Giants 00). The underdog usually wins....Peyton deserves to win this one.

[Joey Slugs]

Peyton deserves to win this one.

You can say the same for pretty much every guy who has ever played the game.

[Crimson]

Jerry Jones better not hire Norv Turner..I will be PISSED cuz he sucks and won't be able to handle T.O. Maybe hire him as an O-coordinator but not coach.

[Crimson]

RON RIVERA

[OssMan]

Giants new defensive coordinator is Steve Spagnuolo or something, new offensive coordinator also heard something about a 46 defense, i dunno. should be different than this crap we've had the last three years at least.

[Nervous Ferret]

lol @ blaming T.O

Parcells was a fun guy, I'll miss the random cuts to his confused/pissed face on the sideline. Never a real big fan of him though

[MTH15]

This may sound retarded, but they should look through some film to see how some coaches called plays and how well they worked. I would say that they should shop for a college coach but baaaaad history. (Steve Spurrier and several other coaches. Hopefully this doesn't go on with Bobby Petrino).

[OssMan]

what are you talking about? Steve Spurrier won the Superbowl 3 years in a row with the Redskins

[MTH15]

what are you talking about? Steve Spurrier won the Superbowl 3 years in a row with the Redskins

LMFAO it was chaos around here. He sucked one season then pulled a George Bush and went to go play golf in Florida.

Steve Spurrier=:foc:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

what are you talking about? Steve Spurrier won the Superbowl 3 years in a row with the RedskinsI really don't know what you watch/listen to, but nobody ever thinks the Redskins are gonna do much (atleast in the past few years)

[Crippla]

Steve Spurrier won the Superbowl 3 years in a row with the Redskins
:wtf:

[MTH15]

Me and some friends and school were talking about this. The Redskins have THE MOST TALENT. QB,RB,WR,FB,DL,LB,DB, Special Teams. Ladell Betts is a solid back-up. Santana Moss, Randle El. So much talent, yet so much talent WASTED. :(

P.S. I'm sure Assman was being sarcastic.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

QB? Well I guess he could be good in the future

But yeah they've got some good wideouts, good tightend/h-back and 2 good running backs. I don't much else about their team though, like their line or defense or anything like that.

[MTH15]

Yea a future QB. But Sean Taylor is a great DB. They have enough talent to win a Super Bowl. Like the Bears. At the beginning of this season the only STAR on there team was Brian Urlacher. Now look at them. Super Bowl XLI. I'm just saying no one on there team was a Mike Vick Ray Lewis star except Urlacher.

[Nervous Ferret]

Redskins win the offseason every year. :y:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh yeah forgot about Sean Taylor, dude is a beast

What about like Dline? Linebackers? Don't really know much about them

[Nervous Ferret]

Freaking gotta listen to the 2 Afro American coaches for the first time ever nonsense.

Stupid February has gotta be Black History Month too

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hey did you know Peyton Manning gets 3 plays given to him and picks one of them at the line of scrimmage?

[RP]

Hey did you know Bill Bellechek is probably the most bitter person in all of football?

[Kris P Lettus]

Phillip Rivers pulled himself out of the Pro Bowl, supposedly..

WTF

[Joey Slugs]

Hey did you know Peyton Manning gets 3 plays given to him and picks one of them at the line of scrimmage?

Yeah, he gets plays A, B, and C from the sideline and he chooses one to run... he also has the choice to audible to a play D.

[VonErichLives]

Hey did you know Peyton Manning gets 3 plays given to him and picks one of them at the line of scrimmage?


Hey did you know Bill Bellechek is probably the most bitter person in all of football?

Someone compliments Manning and you insult Belicheck...

Wow, you're just really bitter aren't you, I would have thought that 1 win would have erased the past for you...

You got over the "hurdle" and you should win the super bowl, enjoy it!

[VonErichLives]

Phillip Rivers pulled himself out of the Pro Bowl, supposedly..

WTF

Wouldn't be suprised if LT does also, Belicheck is the coach for the pro bowl...

Who picks the replacement?

[RP]

Someone compliments Manning and you insult Belicheck...

Wow, you're just really bitter aren't you, I would have thought that 1 win would have erased the past for you...

You got over the "hurdle" and you should win the super bowl, enjoy it!


Bellichek is a sore loser. Its pretty simple.

[RP]

And if you think stima meant that as a compliment, then you're a naive little child.

[KingofOldSchool]

Wouldn't be suprised if LT does also, Belicheck is the coach for the pro bowl...

Who picks the replacement?

The coaches, I think.

Regardless, looks like Brady will actually get to play in the Pro Bowl this year.

[RP]

The coaches, I think.

Regardless, looks like Brady will actually get to play in the Pro Bowl this year.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ you posting at all now.

[KingofOldSchool]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ you posting at all now.

Huh?

Oh yeah...so?

Colts won.

I hate it, but it's not the end of the World.

Go Bears.

[Kris P Lettus]

The coaches, I think.

Regardless, looks like Brady will actually get to play in the Pro Bowl this year.

Michael Stima can finally change his dirty tampon!!1!

[RP]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070122/capt.nad14101220247.afc_championship_football_nad141.jpg

[Crippla]

Good. Brady deserved to be in the Pro Bowl. Now if Asante Samuel could replace someone, I could breathe easy.

[SammyG]

Rofl @ Klecko in that pic. That little bump thing should only be done by receivers and running backs. I hope the Colts beat the shit out of the Bears BTW.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I cant believe Klecko scored a TD againest the Patriots

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

And if you think stima meant that as a compliment, then you're a naive little child.
It actaully wasn't a comliment or a diss, it was more of a reaction to the expected dick riding we are all going to have to endure about Mr. Manning for the next 2 weeks.

[The Outlaw]

BALLLLLLLLLLIN

Belichick has always been a cockbag, people are just now realizing it though...

[The Outlaw]

lemme know when Manning makes Gaffney look like a pro bowler



Brandon Stokley? Reggie Wayne? Ever hear of them before Manning? Nahh. I've known about Gaffney for years now, nothing new...

[SammyG]

That Ballin' song has been stuck in my head forever. it sucks.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Brandon Stokley? Reggie Wayne? Ever hear of them before Manning? Nahh. I've known about Gaffney for years now, nothing new...
While I made that comment in "jest" since I was drunk/upset about the loss, but do you really think Reggie Wayne and Jabbar Gaffney are the same calibur of player?

That is seriously the stupidest thing I've read in regards to this entire Patriots/Colts game.

I dunno how you never knew about Reggie Wayne, yet you've known about Gaffney for years when Reggie Wayne has been in the NFL for just as long (or it might even be a year longer) Plus I did hear about Reggie Wayne before he played with Manning, seeing how he was a first round pick out of the University of Miami. Gaffney was a bust out of college, while Reggie Wayne was a solid pick up. Stokley I can see, but saying Reggie Wayne is the samething as Caldwell or Gaffney is really the dumbest thing anyone has said on here in a while.

[MTH15]

Why would Phil Rivers drop out of the Pro Bowl...It's his second year and hes in the Pro Bowl. Tom Brady or Peyton manning didn't do that......Hopefully Romo drops out so Mike Vick can get his spot he was screwed out of.....1000 yards rushing (record), 2000+ passing, 20 TD ( Career High), and 4 TD in 2 games against 2 good teams (Career High). Tony Romo didn't sdeserve to go to the pro bowl....at least not over mike vick. P.S. Rashe Caldwells eyes are humongous....

[The Outlaw]

While I made that comment in "jest" since I was drunk/upset about the loss, but do you really think Reggie Wayne and Jabbar Gaffney are the same calibur of player?

That is seriously the stupidest thing I've read in regards to this entire Patriots/Colts game.

I dunno how you never knew about Reggie Wayne, yet you've known about Gaffney for years when Reggie Wayne has been in the NFL for just as long (or it might even be a year longer) Plus I did hear about Reggie Wayne before he played with Manning, seeing how he was a first round pick out of the University of Miami. Gaffney was a bust out of college, while Reggie Wayne was a solid pick up. Stokley I can see, but saying Reggie Wayne is the samething as Caldwell or Gaffney is really the dumbest thing anyone has said on here in a while.

Yes, because I said, in pure words, that Jabar Gaffney and Reggie Wayne were the exact same player in terms of talent. Come on...gotta have something besides that.

Jabar Gaffney put up stats with......DAVID CARR. But, on to what you said. Brady made Gaffney look like a pro bowler? He had back to back 100 yard games. That was more than he had all season. Props to him for playing great when it counted, but I never got him confused with Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, or Chad Johnson.

Maybe I shouldn't have said Nahh, because me personally I knew about Wayne long before he broke out 3 or 4 years ago. My point was, the average NFL fan did not, just like your argument that noone knew who Jabar Gaffney was. Gaffney was sick in college. Probably should have stayed another year, and yeah he hasn't lived to expectations but who has with David Carr? David Carr isn't going to make a WR like a Peyton, Brady, or Brees is.

My point wasn't that Brady doesn't make his WR look better than they really are because he does, Brady is a top notch QB who a team would be lucky to have. It was more of a jab at you acting like Peyton doesn't do the same thing. See : Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Dallas Clark, *insert any of his targets he's had here minus Harrison*

MTH, might have to do with who's coaching...

[RP]

Tom Brady is Joe Montana. I dont know if anyone knows this or not.

[RP]

Patriots fans always adjust there arguments to hate on Peyton Manning. Look up the past 3 NFL threads. First it was " Peyton Manning will never beat New England on the road ". So that happens and then its " Peyton Manning cant beat New England in the playoffs ". Then that happens and now they talk about " We'll Brady makes his recievers better and Manning doesnt " or " Manning cant win a Superbowl " like it matters to them if he does or doesnt all of a sudden. Patriots haters always have these arguments , most of which never carry any weight at all. Rediculous things like " Manning cant beat us in the playoffs " but he beat you twice in the regular season. Oh but now its different.

And if you say one thing bad about someone or something on the Patriots team, it immediatley comes back to " Peyton Manning cant win the big game " ALWAYS. Dont take my word for it. Look up the past NFL season threads. Its hilarious. Thats why this victory is so great. I love the fact that New England has lost all there " hater " arguments in the last couple of seasons.

My favorite argument is when they start yapping about how many rings they have then they note that Peyton has none. Its only about the " team " when we're talking about the Patriots, but when you talk about the Colts, its always " Peyton has no rings, Peyton cant win the big one , Peyton cant beat New England, Peyton Peyton Peyton". Again, proof is in the history. Go check it out. This is what New England fans do. They talk to no end about Peyton's post season difficulties, never once mentioning the other 52 men on the team, but when it comes to New England, not one person will mention how horrible Brady's last 2 post seasons have been. No we'll just blame the other 52 men on the team. Blame the recievers too. Patriot fans are just stupid.

I got news for you Patriot fan. If Manning wins this Superbowl, he's better then Brady. It doesnt matter if Brady has three rings to his one. Because rings are won by teams not players. Your argument has always been that Manning doesnt have the ring and Brady does. Nice. Well if Manning wins the Superbowl in 11 days, that argument is gone. He has the stats, he has the rings, he has the legacy. He has it all. So hold on to your Joe Montana comparisons like a breast fed baby holds onto his mothers tit. Cause thats all you'll have to fall back on. If the Colts win, Manning > Brady. How bout them apples?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It was more of a jab at you acting like Peyton doesn't do the same thing. See : Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Dallas Clark, *insert any of his targets he's had here minus Harrison

Stokley caught a TD in the Superbowl before playing with Peyton, I'd say that was noteworthy :o

[VonErichLives]

Bellichek is a sore loser. Its pretty simple.

Wait, let me pretend I'm you for a moment.

"Where's your proof"

[VonErichLives]

RP,

You're still bitter, it's really funny..

Joe Montana didn't win every playoff game he was in.

You are right that the whole team plays, however if you look at the big games they have lost Manning has always played very badly and it's expected for your stars to step up in the big games.

Sunday, Manning stepped up.

Everyone talks about Manning the same reason they talk about Brady or just about any QB, the QB is the leader of the team. Especially in Mannings case where he's one of the few if not the only QB in the league right now that calls his own plays.

So seriously, enjoy the experience, you may never make it again (it's been 20yrs since the Bears have been there).

Wait, I just realised what your doing... attacking Belichek, trying to make fun of Brady, talking about "team effort" and such... you're already making excuses incase the Colts don't beat the Bears a week from Sunday.

That's funny!

[RP]

RP,

You're still bitter, it's really funny..

Joe Montana didn't win every playoff game he was in.

You are right that the whole team plays, however if you look at the big games they have lost Manning has always played very badly and it's expected for your stars to step up in the big games.

Sunday, Manning stepped up.

Everyone talks about Manning the same reason they talk about Brady or just about any QB, the QB is the leader of the team. Especially in Mannings case where he's one of the few if not the only QB in the league right now that calls his own plays.

So seriously, enjoy the experience, you may never make it again (it's been 20yrs since the Bears have been there).

Wait, I just realised what your doing... attacking Belichek, trying to make fun of Brady, talking about "team effort" and such... you're already making excuses incase the Colts don't beat the Bears a week from Sunday.

That's funny!


Enjoy the offseason.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It feels good to let out all that repressed frustration doesn't it?

[RP]

Yes infact.

[Gonzo]

I feel what RP is saying. I've noticed the same trend too. People have an argument on Manning, he beats it down and they back up to the next argument.

How long did Patriots fans say Manning can't beat the Pats away, in the playoffs, or win a Superbowl? Now that he has done 2, and probably will have done the third, what will you say then? Manning hasn't won 3 or 4 Superbowls so the Colts aren't as good as the Pats? You can't just change your arguments to suit you.

Peyton Manning has all the ability in the world to win in any situation. He has proven it on all avenues except the Superbowl, and if he does it there too Patriots fans have nothing to say.

[VonErichLives]

I feel what RP is saying. I've noticed the same trend too. People have an argument on Manning, he beats it down and they back up to the next argument.

How long did Patriots fans say Manning can't beat the Pats away, in the playoffs, or win a Superbowl? Now that he has done 2, and probably will have done the third, what will you say then? Manning hasn't won 3 or 4 Superbowls so the Colts aren't as good as the Pats? You can't just change your arguments to suit you.

Peyton Manning has all the ability in the world to win in any situation. He has proven it on all avenues except the Superbowl, and if he does it there too Patriots fans have nothing to say.

No one's changing arguments, until he won Sunday it wasn't an argument it was true, he couldn't win the big game, plain and simple. He's now over that hurdle.

If they win the superbowl will they be as good as the Patriots? They'll be better then this years Patriots, and last year the Colts beat the Pats in NE in their only meeting and both teams lost in the same round of the playoffs, so clearly you'd have to say the Colts were the better team in last year.

Now, are you asking if the Colts win the superbowl will they be as good as the 2002-2005 Patriots who won 3 superbowls in 4 years? Of course not.

7 teams (one of them twice) have won back-to-back championships.
2 teams have won 3 superbowls in 4 years.

So no, until the Colts win more then one superbowl I wouldn't call them a "Dynasty" or put them in the same category as those other teams.

Does that take away from winning a superbowl? Not in my opinion.

But, RP seems more interested in trying to make things up and take shots at the Patriots then talk about the Bears.

I'd like to see Manning get a ring, but if he doesn't I can't wait to hear RP's excuses...

[RP]

No one's changing arguments, until he won Sunday it wasn't an argument it was true, he couldn't win the big game, plain and simple. He's now over that hurdle.

If they win the superbowl will they be as good as the Patriots? They'll be better then this years Patriots, and last year the Colts beat the Pats in NE in their only meeting and both teams lost in the same round of the playoffs, so clearly you'd have to say the Colts were the better team in last year.

Now, are you asking if the Colts win the superbowl will they be as good as the 2002-2005 Patriots who won 3 superbowls in 4 years? Of course not.

7 teams (one of them twice) have won back-to-back championships.
2 teams have won 3 superbowls in 4 years.

So no, until the Colts win more then one superbowl I wouldn't call them a "Dynasty" or put them in the same category as those other teams.

Does that take away from winning a superbowl? Not in my opinion.

But, RP seems more interested in trying to make things up and take shots at the Patriots then talk about the Bears.

I'd like to see Manning get a ring, but if he doesn't I can't wait to hear RP's excuses...


Enjoy the Pro Bowl

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I feel what RP is saying. I've noticed the same trend too. People have an argument on Manning, he beats it down and they back up to the next argument.

How long did Patriots fans say Manning can't beat the Pats away, in the playoffs, or win a Superbowl? Now that he has done 2, and probably will have done the third, what will you say then? Manning hasn't won 3 or 4 Superbowls so the Colts aren't as good as the Pats? You can't just change your arguments to suit you.

Peyton Manning has all the ability in the world to win in any situation. He has proven it on all avenues except the Superbowl, and if he does it there too Patriots fans have nothing to say.Manning is a great QB obviously, but he has shown in the past that he lacks the ability to always show up in huge games. Obviously this years playoffs are a lot different but I don't think one year can erase the huge list of history he has (even dating back to college where he never lead Tennesse to a victory over their biggest rival Florida/Tennesse went on to win the National Championship the year after he graduated) Up until the AFC Champ game Manning has had some pretty horrible playoff performances this year..everyone talks about how bad Grossman is but Rex has just as many TD passes with 5 less INTS. But at the sametime the Colts are winning and that's all that really matters.

When the Red Sox won the World Series did that really erase all the choke jobs the Red Sox had in the past? Not really, it made them "hurt" a whole lot less but they are still there. I definetly know what it feels like to RP right now, but If the Bears win the Superbowl I also know how that feels too..since the Patriots where huge underdogs againest the Saints a few years back. I also reemed Dave Wadding about it for like 2 months afterwards, so I know what it feels like to do that too haha

But lets not get too ahead of ourselves, the Colts haven't won the Superbowl yet, I mean its great and all that they "exorcise the demons" or whatever and made it to the Superbowl after years of being the pick to make it, but they still got one more game to play. I think they'll win, but you never know UF alum Grossman could come out of no where and pull some shit out of his ass...Manning's never had good luck againest the Gators

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lets just say we had protection problems

[McLegend]

Switching back for a second.

I still don't understamd why most of you didn't want to see Patriots and the Colts in the AFC championship Game. I understand wanting your team to be in, but other then that this would defintly be the most intersting game as it turned out to be.

Also this Colts/Patroits rivarly hasn't been beaten to death like the Yanks and the Sox, and is without a doubt the best rivarly in the NFL so I don't get why people are tired of it.

[The Outlaw]

everyone talks about how bad Grossman is but Rex has just as many TD passes with 5 less INTS.



Uhh. lol. You talking about the regular season?

Manning - 31 TDs with 9 INTs
Grossman - 23 TDs with 20 INTs

If you're talking about the postseason, that's a pretty silly thing to argue. Peyton's played in one more game, against tougher competition, etc. etc.


But since Peyton doesn't produce in the postseason, I'd like to point out his stats in the postseason. 265/437 for 3,248 yards. 17 TDs and 14 INTs in 12 games. 6-6 in playoff games. He had 15 TDs and 8 INTs coming into this year by the way. In fact, he's performed very well minus a handful of those games, notably against the PATs in '03 and then against the Jets the year before and the two games this year. So, I know the whole argument is "He can't win the big game" which is pretty silly again to ignore all the good games he has including the playoffs and emphasize the few bad ones he's had. That's like saying that players should only show up for the big games. *insert Ricky Williams interview here*

[Gonzo]

...Manning is a great QB obviously, but he has shown in the past that he lacks the ability to always show up in huge games...

Oh I'm not disagreeing with that at all, he hasn't, up until now really won a game in the "big game" atmosphere. I wouldn't compare the Colts to the Pats in terms of success just because they win one Superbowl or anything, but I just would think its ridiculous if Pats fans found something new to rag Peyton and the Colts about if they won.

Of course we're all having this conversation and knowing fate, the Bears will win or something. :rofl:

[SammyG]

Naw. This is the Colts year. The less black coach will win.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Uhh. lol. You talking about the regular season?

Manning - 31 TDs with 9 INTs
Grossman - 23 TDs with 20 INTs

If you're talking about the postseason, that's a pretty silly thing to argue. Peyton's played in one more game, against tougher competition, etc. etc.


But since Peyton doesn't produce in the postseason, I'd like to point out his stats in the postseason. 265/437 for 3,248 yards. 17 TDs and 14 INTs in 12 games. 6-6 in playoff games. He had 15 TDs and 8 INTs coming into this year by the way. In fact, he's performed very well minus a handful of those games, notably against the PATs in '03 and then against the Jets the year before and the two games this year. So, I know the whole argument is "He can't win the big game" which is pretty silly again to ignore all the good games he has including the playoffs and emphasize the few bad ones he's had. That's like saying that players should only show up for the big games. *insert Ricky Williams interview here*
Really he's had some really bad games, and some really good games (pretty sure he threw 5 TD passes in like a 42-0 win againest the Broncos couple years back) so his stats are pretty skewed going both ways. He has just gone from being a really great QB to an average one once the playoffs roll around...that's all I'm saying. Ignoring that is a bit silly too, obviously its not like he can't break out of this or something but the proof is there. Naturally I am a bit biased in this discussion too, but so aren't Manning fans so it goes both ways I guess.

I really hope with all this talk that Chicago comes out and beats the Colts, I personally can't see it happening but you never know.

[RP]

I think it'll be one of the best Superbowls ever. I just have a feeling. I still think Indy will win because we have the legend Adam V, but it think Chicago will play some inspired football and make it a really close game.


Colts 31

Bears 27

[RP]

Really he's had some really bad games, and some really good games (pretty sure he threw 5 TD passes in like a 42-0 win againest the Broncos couple years back) so his stats are pretty skewed going both ways. He has just gone from being a really great QB to an average one once the playoffs roll around...that's all I'm saying. Ignoring that is a bit silly too, obviously its not like he can't break out of this or something but the proof is there. Naturally I am a bit biased in this discussion too, but so aren't Manning fans so it goes both ways I guess.

I really hope with all this talk that Chicago comes out and beats the Colts, I personally can't see it happening but you never know.


This kills me though, cause all you Patriots fans have been arguing over the years is that its not about the stats, its about winning the big game. Thats all you guy's have said. When someone say's something about Manning being the best, its like " Oh Manning puts up all the stats, but he'll never win a big game like Brady ". Now he wins the big game and you wanna talk about stats all of a sudden? Get out of here with that shit man.

[YOUR Hero]

Let me just say this. In the Colts/Patriots game the other week, I felt Brady was the better QB. Sure his team lost, but he looked more composed and had much better zip on his ball.

[Gonzo]

I would agree as far as the first half goes, but the Colts and Peyton in the 2nd half played totally better than the Patriots team as a whole.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This kills me though, cause all you Patriots fans have been arguing over the years is that its not about the stats, its about winning the big game. Thats all you guy's have said. When someone say's something about Manning being the best, its like " Oh Manning puts up all the stats, but he'll never win a big game like Brady ". Now he wins the big game and you wanna talk about stats all of a sudden? Get out of here with that shit man.People talked about the stats a lot in previous seasons due to Manning putting up all type of gross numbers while still doing much in the post season (especially last season when it was handed to them by terrible calls and mistakes by the Steelers) During this same time, Brady's stats where Pro-bowl caliber but maybe not as impressive as Manning's overall. People then argued they'd still rather have Brady because of his sucess in the big games, to me, Brady is still a much better big game QB then Manning anyway...I mean Manning has just made it to his first Superbowl..I dunno the history is there.

Also, the stats coming into play for the playoff discussion just shows how average Manning has been in the playoffs in comparsion to his stellar play in the regular season. 17 TDS 14 INTS in the playoffs for a guy with 275 TDS 139 INTS in the regular season is kind of hard to ignore, not mention he has 1 TD pass with 5 INTS in the 2006 post season (while putting 31 TD and 9 INT during the entire regular season) Its not like Brady was winning big games while putting up Rex Grossman #'s or something, you know what I mean?

So while Manning has been able to shake his image of absolutely always losing the big game, the history is still there. I mean Marino made it to the Superbowl too and he is still known as the guy who never won the big one, so while beating the Patriots in the AFC Championship game may seem like a huge right now, it won't really mean much if the Colts don't win it all. I mean Colts should definetly win next Sunday but you never know.

Keep spinnin dawg

[YOUR Hero]

I would agree as far as the first half goes, but the Colts and Peyton in the 2nd half played totally better than the Patriots team as a whole.

Not talking about the teams, just the QBs.

You eliminate the dropped passes and as far as I'm concerned, the Pats would have won. The throws were good. No faulting the QB oi
n them. Also not to crucifix Caldwell, because he's a go to guy and as far as I recall, it's the first time he's ever had the yips.

Anyway, QB to QB, Brady was the better.

[MTH15]

So many long posts...gosh. Okay yea I think Rex Grossman can be good at times. But I dont think he will do good against the on fire Colts defense. Sorry to go a little bit off-topic but you Outlaw. You say you knew about Reggie Wayne 3-4 years before he broke out. Let me make this comment. Jerious Norwood will be a great Running Back. If he was starting he would be a Lawrence Moroney or Steven Jackson. I saw this in the Pre Season game against NE when he got like a 76 yard receiving TD.

[Crimson]

I'm sorry but the 2nd half was all Manning..how can anyone even argue it. The clutch is what counts and he came through when iti counted.

[Gonzo]

Anyway, QB to QB, Brady was the better.

We could split hairs but given the poor performance in the first half by Peyton, I think he totally redeemed himself coming back from a 21-6 defecit (sp?). He answered the call. I'm not taking anything away from Brady here because he played well too. The reason I give the edge to Peyton is because of the one crucial throw made by Brady that ended up ending the game, the INT. Sure, Peyton had a pick but it was early and they bounced back from it. I dunno.

[RP]

Manning was better then Brady. Anyone who watched the game, or outside of New England knows this. I'm not sure how you could possibly argue that Brady was better then Manning in that game, but it dont matter.

Big game Tom has lost playoff games 2 years in a row cause of poor play and crucial interceptions. Oh crap shhh dont let anyone know that. He's suppose to be Joe Montana remember.

[Gonzo]

I do have to say I thought that INT by Brady was very uncharacteristic. I don't know if he didn't see the guy, but it initially looked like he tried to gun it in there. I don't know if anyone asked him about it in the press conferences but thats what it looked like to me.

[McLegend]

Basically what Your Hero is saying that Brady was throwing the ball better, and that most of Tom Brady's passes looked real good unlike Payton Manning where most of his throws were wobbly and didn't look that good.

Not that it really matters though.

[RP]

Yah, its the dumbest argument i've ever heard. Brady throws a better ball. So what. Manning has never thrown the prettiest ball. Manning played the 4th quarter with a bad thumb on his throwing hand. Manning led his team back from 18 points. Manning won that game. Brady had a chance and he choked. How can you possibly say Brady was the better QB?

BTW the dropped passes meant shit. The first one was canceled out cause Gafney caught a TD the next play. The second wasnt going no where reguardless cause Bathea was coming right towards him to make the stop. Brady didnt recognize Caldwell that wide open and neither one of them had any clue what to do with when he was so wide open. The fact that there was no saftey over the top and no one guarding him and Caldwell didnt run staight up the field? Brady didnt recognize that?? If that was Manning and Harrison or Wayne or Ricky Proehl for that matter. Manning would have had that ball hiked from the moment he stepped under center. So the who dropped ball, patriots would have won, argument is stupid. Sorry.

It was so obvious Manning was the better QB in that game. And Brady made the key mistakes. And quite frankly, its unacceptable to have a team up 18 points lose a game of that magnitude. Let alone that team having one Tom Brady as there QB. Now thats a choke job for you.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol wow lotta pent up aggression for this guy.

Its pretty funny seeing how you called Charlie Weis "Lloyd Carr Jr" since he can't win the big game just like Lloyd Carr...when Lloyd Carr has won a National Championship. Now Manning finally wins the AFC Championship game and he is the greatest playoff QB of all time or something.

I really really hope the Bears somehow pull through and beat the Colts, I really can't see it happening but it will be one of the most hilarious thing to happen in the sports forum'

But yeah I'd say Manning out played Brady in the last game, neither of them really had a spectular game though.

[Kris P Lettus]

So many long posts...gosh.

LOL

[RP]

lol wow lotta pent up aggression for this guy.

Its pretty funny seeing how you called Charlie Weis "Lloyd Carr Jr" since he can't win the big game just like Lloyd Carr...when Lloyd Carr has won a National Championship. Now Manning finally wins the AFC Championship game and he is the greatest playoff QB of all time or something.

I really really hope the Bears somehow pull through and beat the Colts, I really can't see it happening but it will be one of the most hilarious thing to happen in the sports forum'

But yeah I'd say Manning out played Brady in the last game, neither of them really had a spectular game though.



Wow, whats really funny is that i fail to find any post where i said Manning was the greatest playoff QB ever. Were you channeling VEL in that post?

[VonErichLives]

Big game Tom has lost playoff games 2 years in a row cause of poor play and crucial interceptions. Oh crap shhh dont let anyone know that. He's suppose to be Joe Montana remember.

yes, even if Manning wins next Sunday Brady will still be compared to Joe Montana because of the multiple rings and the come back wins. Yes, even Joe Montana lost playoff games.


If that was Manning and Harrison or Wayne or Ricky Proehl for that matter. Manning would have had that ball hiked from the moment he stepped under center.


Of course he would have, but only after running into a phone booth changing into his cape and saving lois lane.

Maybe Manning would have, maybe not, you have no way of knowing, you're trying to predict fact on a hypothetical.

Were you channeling VEL in that post? If he was it would be a post with quotes from you that you would claim were taken out of context and twisted, only to be followed up by other quotes from you where I ask you for your proof and you ignore, then followed up by claims of mine, with proof only for you to claim the proof isn't valid because the source is major Boston newspaper.

Really, enjoy the ride, you may never get back and yes, you need more then one superbowl win to be a "Dynasty".

Also, Stima's stats had everything to do with playoff performance, and your "it doesn't matter as long as you win the big game", Manning has won 1 big game, don't get over excited until he does it again.

[RP]

And see thats what i'm talking about. Anytime someone makes a dumb argument against Manning and I post my reasons for why i think they're wrong, you Patriot fans come in here acting ( in your case actually saying ) like i'm some crazy fanatic who wants to hump Peyton Manning or something and you never quite argue against my statemens. Probably cause i'm right, you just go straight to the " Haha look at this loser, Peyton Manning sucks, I have three rings," bull shit. You cant possibly say, " Yah you're probably right ". Thats fine though. I dont expect that. But the whole " Well since i cant make a valid argument, i'll make a smug comment and post other examples of when of other arguments that have nothing to do with this one " Or as i now will call it, " The Lloyd Carr argument" is old and wore out bro. Stop trying to be funny and come with something logical. I'll designate that for you Patriots fan. Whenever i come in here and pretty much make sense of you not making sense, you have my permission to go to the Lloyd Carr argument. If we're talking about the Superbowl and i say something that you cant possibly post a reasonable retort to, Lloyd Carr Argument.


LOL

" Oh but but but but YOU SAID CHARLIE WEISS IS ANOTHER LLOYD CARR!!! "

Get lost loser.

[RP]

Patriots fans always adjust there arguments to hate on Peyton Manning. Look up the past 3 NFL threads. First it was " Peyton Manning will never beat New England on the road ". So that happens and then its " Peyton Manning cant beat New England in the playoffs ". Then that happens and now they talk about " We'll Brady makes his recievers better and Manning doesnt " or " Manning cant win a Superbowl " like it matters to them if he does or doesnt all of a sudden. Patriots haters always have these arguments , most of which never carry any weight at all. Rediculous things like " Manning cant beat us in the playoffs " but he beat you twice in the regular season. Oh but now its different.

And if you say one thing bad about someone or something on the Patriots team, it immediatley comes back to " Peyton Manning cant win the big game " ALWAYS. Dont take my word for it. Look up the past NFL season threads. Its hilarious. Thats why this victory is so great. I love the fact that New England has lost all there " hater " arguments in the last couple of seasons.

My favorite argument is when they start yapping about how many rings they have then they note that Peyton has none. Its only about the " team " when we're talking about the Patriots, but when you talk about the Colts, its always " Peyton has no rings, Peyton cant win the big one , Peyton cant beat New England, Peyton Peyton Peyton". Again, proof is in the history. Go check it out. This is what New England fans do. They talk to no end about Peyton's post season difficulties, never once mentioning the other 52 men on the team, but when it comes to New England, not one person will mention how horrible Brady's last 2 post seasons have been. No we'll just blame the other 52 men on the team. Blame the recievers too. Patriot fans are just stupid.

I got news for you Patriot fan. If Manning wins this Superbowl, he's better then Brady. It doesnt matter if Brady has three rings to his one. Because rings are won by teams not players. Your argument has always been that Manning doesnt have the ring and Brady does. Nice. Well if Manning wins the Superbowl in 11 days, that argument is gone. He has the stats, he has the rings, he has the legacy. He has it all. So hold on to your Joe Montana comparisons like a breast fed baby holds onto his mothers tit. Cause thats all you'll have to fall back on. If the Colts win, Manning > Brady. How bout them apples?








Also, Stima's stats had everything to do with playoff performance, and your "it doesn't matter as long as you win the big game", Manning has won 1 big game, don't get over excited until he does it again.

:lol:

[RP]

My " It doesnt matter as long as you win the big game" ????

LOL Let me go find the 2005 and 2004 NFL threads . Quick, go erase them so i dont totally make you look like a fucking moron. Wait i'm too late. You've already done that.

But Bellichek is coaching the Pro Bowl, so i guess the dynasty continues.

[RP]

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If Bob Sanders gets healthy for the playoffs, fuck your running game.



We'll smoke the Jets and if i'm correct, i think we would play the Ravens. I'm telling you right now. Jamal Lewis will not kill us like these other backs have. We'll beat the Ravens. Manning has seen that same Baltimore defense. Not much is different. He beat them once in Baltimore last year and he can do it again with not much problem.

I seriously feel it. I dont care what happend in Houston. Colts over New England in Indy in the AFC championship game.

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Did Bridget Moynahan break up with Tom Brady, before or after he fucked that sheep in the bottom right?


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Bye bye Colts, I hope your playoff run has been as memorable as it has been in seasons' past.

Man, at least Jim Harbaugh was one play away from taking the Colts to the Superbowl.


:lol:



Oh well let the Colts win their last home game of the season.

Now they will go on the road where they SUCK.

:lol:


I've heard two lines that sum this game up pretty much for me. First one is pretty cliche i guess " Now or Never ". The other i heard a guy on the radio say " This is a amazing oppurtunity and a potential nightmare all wrapped into one ". Meaning, Manning and the Colts can pretty much answer all the questions with this one game, against the Patriots, but if we lose, it would be unimaginable.

I seriously cannot describe how on edge this city is right now. The peices could not have fallen together any perfectly. Home game against their arch rivals in the AFC Championship game. The story has been written perfectly so far and now Manning, Dungy and the Colts need to give it the story book ending. This is basically what everyone in Indianapolis feels. If we lose this game, this city will be crushed.

I dont think the window will be closed, but it will never be open as wide as it is right now.

And because this has set up so nicely for the Colts, i truely believe Manning might have a career defining game Sunday.

Seriously though, who's guarding Reggie Wayne? Ellis Hobbs? Comon. And then who will cover Dallas Clark in the slot? I'm starting to think that New ENgland may get stretched so thin that Addai and Rhodes will have there way with them.

Much respect to Hobbs though, he was brilliant and he made some amazing plays.

Are you foreal? Reggie Wayne has torched every single person the Pats have put on him. Asante Samuel has gotten really good, but he'll have his hands full with Marvin. I'm kinda shocked you dont find matchup important. Thats dumb. They mean alot. Especially given Waynes history for torching the Pats #2 cb and with Dallas Clark red hot and damn near uncoverable by even the best linebackers in the league ( ravens ). Honestly, DrA, you're wrong. It means alot.

I think it matters alot. I'm pretty sure Hobbs was the guy that got lit by Harrison in the first meeting this year. It wouldnt be no different with Wayne. Pats dont have the secondary to be able to blitz Manning that much imo. They're better off just doing what Baltimore did and drop there safteys back 25 yards. Cause if they blitz, they're leaving someone man to man and Manning is brilliant at finding where the blitz is coming from and where the man to man is. Marvin, Reggie and Dallas ( depending on whos covering him ) can all beat man to man coverage and the Pats will get shredded that way. Thats why the individual matchups matter. Ellis Hobbs cant cover Reggie Wayne 1 on 1. I'm sorry. Samuel might be able to do something with Marvin. I think he's a great cb, but Hobbs is in trouble.

I think Manning is gunna have a huge game, but i think Brady will have a big one too. Colts defense is playing amazing, but you have to take it with a grain of salt kind of. Its hard to believe they can sustain what they're doing. Especially against New England, but that dome is going to be on fire. Its going to be like nothing you've heard before. Crowd could will these Colts defenders to another brilliant effort. I dunno.

So tell us RP, how will they win? What is the game plan? What is so different about these two teams this time that the Colts will win the playoff game.

I'm not saying the Colts can't win, I just want to hear your reasons why/how.

I've pretty much said it the last couple pages.

[RP]

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i hope we dont lose the superbowl.

[DrA]

On a related note, I will be quite displeased if the Cowboys sign Norv Turner as the head coach. Why are they even CONSIDERING him?

[VonErichLives]

And see thats what i'm talking about. Anytime someone makes a dumb argument against Manning and I post my reasons for why i think they're wrong, you Patriot fans come in here acting ( in your case actually saying ) like i'm some crazy fanatic who wants to hump Peyton Manning or something and you never quite argue against my statemens. Probably cause i'm right, you just go straight to the " Haha look at this loser, Peyton Manning sucks, I have three rings," bull shit. You cant possibly say, " Yah you're probably right ". Thats fine though. I dont expect that. But the whole " Well since i cant make a valid argument, i'll make a smug comment and post other examples of when of other arguments that have nothing to do with this one " Or as i now will call it, " The Lloyd Carr argument" is old and wore out bro. Stop trying to be funny and come with something logical. I'll designate that for you Patriots fan. Whenever i come in here and pretty much make sense of you not making sense, you have my permission to go to the Lloyd Carr argument. If we're talking about the Superbowl and i say something that you cant possibly post a reasonable retort to, Lloyd Carr Argument.


LOL

" Oh but but but but YOU SAID CHARLIE WEISS IS ANOTHER LLOYD CARR!!! "

Get lost loser.

not sure if you're addressing me or stima. I never said manning sucks and if I did it was just to get you going.

Manning has always been a great QB, one of if not possible the best ever, he'll retire with almost every QB record, he's already a hall of famer etc... that being said, until last week, he couldn't seem to "win the big game" and yes, it is a complete team effort, but when you look at those games, the majority of the blame goes on mannings performance in those games.

I don't know why you keep trying to harp on this, and can't simply enjoy being in the superbowl, your patriot envy is really funny.

Yes, the pats won 3 superbowls in 4years, that's an nfl dynasty, what can't you understand about that?

You accused belicheck of being a poor loser, and then didn't back it up with anything.

When Polian was quoted by multiple sources for saying in the press box he hoped they broke doug fluties leg, you refused to believe it because it was in a Boston newspaper... of course, every Boston sports reporter is a huge patriots fan and would make stuff up to make polian look bad, the same nut job who this year grabed a sound guy before a jets game and bitched about the speakers being to close to the field.

You keep bringing up "brady is montana", yes, that's who he is compared to, same type of players and both have multiple rings.

Manning is compared to Marino, their two of the best QB of all time, possible the best two, but neither one has a super bowl ring. Manning may change that next week.

Ok, I'm done with this... so enjoy your superbowl and continue whatever sillyness you feel like making up.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

RP look at your last few posts and ask yourself why I call you a crazy fanboy

[VonErichLives]

On a related note, I will be quite displeased if the Cowboys sign Norv Turner as the head coach. Why are they even CONSIDERING him?

Because Jerry Jones is running things again.

A better question is what type of coach do you expect to get if you sign the coaching staff before the coach.

My thought, Norv has experience, wont cost much and is good with QB and it will probably be a 1yr deal.

Belichecks contract is up next year, the rumor is the new one is ready but he wont sign it until his divorce is final, that being said... would it shock you if Jones is looking for a stop-gap hoping next year he can throw a ton of money at Belicheck or Pioli or both?

There's also rumors of one of them going to the Giants after next season.

My bet is they both stay put, they have a good team and a great owner who will spend money and stay hands off. The question becomes does one or both of them think they have a better chance of winning again soon with a young eli manning then an aging brady?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

On a related note, I will be quite displeased if the Cowboys sign Norv Turner as the head coach. Why are they even CONSIDERING him?
Its the NFL way, keep recycling coaches over and over. A coach fails with one team? Ahh fuck he goes to the TV booth for a few years then he is the greatest coach ever afterwards

[MTH15]

1 Week from the Super Bowl and I cant wait. I really want the Colts to win but I wouldn't mind seeing another Super Bowl shuffle....and every year since like 2001 the Pats and Colts play and yet the Brady/Manning fued still goes on. I have a perfect way to settle this though.........

FLIP A COIN!! :)

[RP]

You accused belicheck of being a poor loser, and then didn't back it up with anything.

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Yes i've never backed it up with anything. I'm just totally out of line there. No one in the world things Bellichek is a poor loser. Not one person but me VEL. BTW



READ PASTS POSTS YOU STUPID ASSHOLE

Really you're a retard man. You dont read shit and come in here and make yourself look so fucking retarded. You sit there and say " RP doesnt even tell you how the Colts will win the game " then i have to go qoute pasts posts cause you are to fucking retarded to go back and read the thread that you havent posted in all year until now. You rather jump in at the end and completely talk out of your flaming ass. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. I imagine you sit there qouteing everything i say and thinking of smart witty ways you can break it down to make it look like everything i've said is wrong. The proof is in the threads. This is what you do. You qoute everything i say and find everything wrong in what i say ( which most of it makes perfect sense and is probably right ) . You are never wrong VEL never wrong at all. You are always right. And you're a retard. I can prove you wrong 10 times over and you'd qoute all 10 times and find something wrong in those qoutes. Atleast stima can make a smartass comment that is somewhat funny. You take yourself so seriously when trying to prove me wrong, that you come off like the most retarded person i've ever seen posting on these boards. If someone told you the sky is blue, your retort would look alot like this.



the sky is blue

{ Von ErichLives } So basically what you're saying is that you dont like the sky. ~ insert witty retort on why i'm wrong ~



Then i sit here thinking...uhhh... What? This is what you've done pretty much every year. Sometimes you mix in a good point, but most of the time you're fucking dumb. Go read my pasts post about Bellichek. The guy practically looks like his wife died when he does a post game interview . He walks by Peyton Manning and Manning is offering his hand to him and Bellichek walks by him doing this jab in the stomach type handshake and doesnt even look him in the eye cause he's a fucking poor loser. Dont take my ( the tpww poster ) word for it. Open your damn eyes. Read what the national media says. ThEY SAY THE SAME THINGS.

Oh btw. I've still yet to hear one person outside of Boston ( or in Boston for that matter ) say anything about the Bill Polian comment. I'm pretty sure it would have been a big deal. Oh but i refuse to believe right? LOL Multiple sources in the press box. Very credible. Very very credible. Hey Bob Ryan is on Sports Reporters all the time and those guys are pretty damn opinionated. Why was nothing said about this? Give me a break dude. If he wasnt on tape, or he wasnt on TV or it wasnt even a formal interview for a magazine. It was just " Heard by Patriots press in the press box " and somehow it never gained national attention at all. Bob Ryan and Michael Smith, two well respected reporters who cover the Patriots did not make one mention of this at all. Not one. Not even while on TV. Not in one of there columns. Not one VEL. So please do me a favor and stfu.




{ Von ErichLives} So basically what you're saying is the Boston Tea Party never happend? ~ insert comeback~