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Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-17-2006, 09:14 PM
Patriots are winning the AFC East

BCWWF
09-17-2006, 10:58 PM
What has St. Louis done at this point of time to make them one of the worst teams in the NFL?


I don't know when you posted this, but St. Louis lost to San Francisco today.

Crippla
09-17-2006, 11:10 PM
I can't believe they lost to San Fran, I take back what I said about them. They gave me a loss.

Skippord
09-17-2006, 11:12 PM
That means the Broncos lost to the 49ers vicariously

Crippla
09-17-2006, 11:17 PM
Who won the Denver/KC game, BTW?

Skippord
09-17-2006, 11:48 PM
Denver 9-6 in OT

OssMan
09-18-2006, 12:27 AM
Hail, to the Redskins
Hail, victory

Nervous Ferret
09-18-2006, 12:37 AM
God the Giants winning pisses me off more than the Jets losing


should have never happened, same deal as when the Giants beat Denver last year, they just went out to lunch for the last 5 minutes

Nervous Ferret
09-18-2006, 12:39 AM
also :cool: @ Cothery. I've been waiting for him to "break out" for like years now

I didn't actually expect the Jets to win, but in a way I did. I dunno, Pats will def win AFC East ccuse the Dolphins suck, but maybe te Jets will get a wild card. The night is young.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-18-2006, 12:40 AM
Jets aren't in 1st place

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-18-2006, 12:40 AM
haha fuck you, you edited that quick you sick fuck

Nervous Ferret
09-18-2006, 12:42 AM
suck it hobag

Crippla
09-18-2006, 12:46 AM
The Patriots still shouldn't have let the Jets almost come back though and the field goal block was just ridiculus.

DrA
09-18-2006, 12:48 AM
Dear NBC:

Please get rid of Pink's version of the Sunday Night Football theme song. Better yet, have a theme song that doesn't have any words. Thank you.

-Joey

Remember when football didn't have these corny musical intros? Now you have to sit through Pink and Hank Williams Jr. for five minutes before the game can even start.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-18-2006, 12:50 AM
http://cachemediasrv.patriots.com/ImgDyn.cfm?s=patriots_31132631.jpg&c=1&w=525&cs=1

DrA
09-18-2006, 12:51 AM
Not a good sign when it takes five defenders to take someone down.

Nervous Ferret
09-18-2006, 12:51 AM
the blocked field goal was weird, I totally "felt" it coming or watever, not the first time that has happened to me on a blocked field goal.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-18-2006, 12:58 AM
Yeah definetly not a good sign seeing a QB getting swarmed and sacked

Skippord
09-18-2006, 01:31 AM
Holy shit 5 guys on a sack

Supreme Olajuwon
09-18-2006, 02:17 AM
Do the squirrel, Kelley!

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RP
09-18-2006, 02:54 AM
LOL KELLeY! I thought i was watching one of those NFL network commercials where they are having the dance contest... that was great.

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 03:22 AM
-NBC's pregame shit is horrid

-Saints looked good (minus the 1st quarter)

add more tommorow..

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 03:25 AM
http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_652400.jpg


AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

RoXer
09-18-2006, 01:07 PM
Nah their pregame isn't that bad. The Pink theme song is terrible.

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 01:30 PM
Yes it is.. Horrid play by play on the highlights.. The clips come at random times like the director isn't even watching the live show.. Not enough time is spent on the actual game footage.. Too much time is spent selling products.. "Now for the Summer's Eve Play of The Hour.." That teleprompter touch screen is whack as fuck.. As I said earlier they don't spend near enough time on acutal highlights in that they seem rushed.. But they spend too much time of gimmicky shit to make them seem different..

I dunno..

I miss Berman and Tom "Man Hands" Jackson doing NFL Primetime..

D Mac
09-18-2006, 03:13 PM
FIRE HERM EDWARDS

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 03:16 PM
Atleast he doesn't cry after every game..

D Mac
09-18-2006, 03:22 PM
No, I do that now. :'(

RoXer
09-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Yes it is.. Horrid play by play on the highlights.. The clips come at random times like the director isn't even watching the live show.. Not enough time is spent on the actual game footage.. Too much time is spent selling products.. "Now for the Summer's Eve Play of The Hour.." That teleprompter touch screen is whack as fuck.. As I said earlier they don't spend near enough time on acutal highlights in that they seem rushed.. But they spend too much time of gimmicky shit to make them seem different..

I dunno..

I miss Berman and Tom "Man Hands" Jackson doing NFL Primetime..


Well calm down, it's been 2 weeks. Christ.

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 05:09 PM
Only 13% of teams that started 0-2 have made it to the playoffs since 1990..

RoXer
09-18-2006, 05:11 PM
fixed

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 05:32 PM
Well calm down, it's been 2 weeks. Christ.

But for a network, who has been around for a long time, they should be much better than this..

Fuck the gimmicky bullshit and just show highlightS.. Yes, highlightS, as in, the high pointS of every game.. Not just one clip and then spend ten minutes breaking down coverage and schemes.. There are shows dedicated to that.. The sunday breakdown show should be just that, them showing what happened on sunday.. As I said, Berman and TJ are excelent and should still do NFL Primetime on Sunday nights because obvious ABC can not handle it..

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 05:35 PM
Also, they just said "The Saints 2-0 when a year ago they were 0-2" on NFL Live.. Bullshit.. We beat the Panthers week one last year..

Joey Slugs
09-18-2006, 05:41 PM
all your NFC are belong to us

RoXer
09-18-2006, 06:17 PM
on Sunday nights because obvious ABC can not handle it..
You mean NBC.


But I dunno what to tell you. Chill out? I mean, it's not THAT bad.

Crippla
09-18-2006, 06:20 PM
Krispy, i took NO and won this week bu they're not gonna be a great team.

Kris P Lettus
09-18-2006, 06:28 PM
Dude, STFU..

Do you think you need to reinforce the fact that you don't like the Saints with every post you make towards me??

The other 50 posts you've made about them weren't enough??

You think I "don't get it"??

Just STFU

God..

Crippla
09-18-2006, 06:37 PM
Yes, I do because I'm a Pats fan and it's my job to shove them up everyone's ass to the point that people want to slit my throat.

RoXer
09-18-2006, 06:38 PM
Yes, I do because I'm a Pats fan and it's my job to shove them up everyone's ass to the point that people want to slit my throat.
Are you sure you're not RP?

Crippla
09-18-2006, 06:40 PM
No, RP is a Colts fan. If I was a Colts fan, I would have been driven to suicide by now.

Gonzo
09-18-2006, 07:41 PM
But for a network, who has been around for a long time, they should be much better than this..

Fuck the gimmicky bullshit and just show highlightS.. Yes, highlightS, as in, the high pointS of every game.. Not just one clip and then spend ten minutes breaking down coverage and schemes.. There are shows dedicated to that.. The sunday breakdown show should be just that, them showing what happened on sunday.. As I said, Berman and TJ are excelent and should still do NFL Primetime on Sunday nights because obvious ABC can not handle it..

I think NBC's pregame and halftime shit fucking blows. I hate Bob Costas, I fucking absolutely hope that faggot Cris Collinsworth dies. Collinsworth is such an arrogant cock, he is worse than Joe Theismann. That faggot needs to die. I don't know who the other two jabroni's are on that pregame show, but the faggitude of Costas and Collinsworth makes up for it in any event.

I don't mind Michaels and Madden calling the game, but those homos suck ass at pregame/highlights/halftime show.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-18-2006, 07:53 PM
How can you hate Bob Costas? That's like a Patriots fan hating Tom Brady.

The Outlaw
09-18-2006, 08:01 PM
http://images.nfl.com/u/photos/pl_652400.jpg


AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Yeah, sucks when you shred a defense for 300+ and 3 TDs and still lose. No D.

RoXer
09-18-2006, 08:25 PM
You don't like Jerome Bettis?

Skippord
09-18-2006, 09:28 PM
No, I do that now. :'(
9-6...terrible

road doggy dogg
09-18-2006, 10:00 PM
I would honestly be surprised if the Bears didn't clinch the division by like week 8.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-18-2006, 10:22 PM
Wow Brett Farve had a good game againest the Saints Defense, pretty big accomplishment there

Savio
09-19-2006, 12:34 AM
I always had a spot in my heart for the jags, but if they keep this up they'll be my fav again

RP
09-19-2006, 01:58 AM
Wow Brett Farve had a good game againest the Saints Defense, pretty big accomplishment there


Whats your point? How many good games has Tom Brady had this year?

el fregadero
09-19-2006, 02:03 AM
That's how you play defense, fellas.

RP
09-19-2006, 02:03 AM
Jags vs Colts will be huge next week. Everytime we play the Jags for the first time in the season, it's always a division deciding game. We've won almost everytime, but the reason why this will be an EPIC game, is because the Jags know that they have to win this game to have any shot at the division. If they lose this one, they wont win the division. Its been like that for the past 4 years. I have a bad feeling about this one. We have a few injuries. Mostly players that will probably play. I've never seen the Jaguars this good on defense and thats really saying something, they've always been above average on defense. This year they look sick. I dont think the Colts will score more then 20 points in this one. But i do think the Colts can make this a defensive struggle. Our defense isnt as good as theres, but there offense isnt has good as our defense.

I cant believe i'm saying this, but here it is. Jaguars 24, Colts 17. God dammit.

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 02:46 AM
I think NBC's pregame and halftime shit fucking blows. I hate Bob Costas, I fucking absolutely hope that faggot Cris Collinsworth dies. Collinsworth is such an arrogant cock, he is worse than Joe Theismann. That faggot needs to die. I don't know who the other two jabroni's are on that pregame show, but the faggitude of Costas and Collinsworth makes up for it in any event.

I don't mind Michaels and Madden calling the game, but those homos suck ass at pregame/highlights/halftime show.

Agreed..

Bettus, Costas, and Collinsworth are horrid..

Sterling Sharpe is the man though..

DrA
09-19-2006, 03:04 AM
Bob Costas should not be allowed to touch football with a fifty foot poll.

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 03:26 PM
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He is the truth, after only two games..

The Outlaw
09-19-2006, 03:44 PM
Whats your point? How many good games has Tom Brady had this year?

But the Patriots played the stellar defense of the Je...oh, wait.

But yeah, what exactly was your point? I simply stated that he shred their D, which he did. They had no defense. That's why they lost. Pretty simple point to follow without throwing out a pretty obvious statement that he played the Saints, who had like the mid 20 rated passing defense last year (jets were around the same, fwiw).

Supreme Olajuwon
09-19-2006, 04:00 PM
6-4 230? That's a big boy to be a WR. Is he fast?

Crippla
09-19-2006, 04:01 PM
Whats your point? How many good games has Tom Brady had this year?
Yeah but what QB is the most clutch and what QB would you want in the playoffs?

Joey Slugs
09-19-2006, 04:13 PM
Yeah but what QB is the most clutch and what QB would you want in the playoffs?
Favre is one of the (if not the) greatest QBs ever. Give him a solid team, and he'll wipe the floor with Brady.

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 04:14 PM
6-4 230? That's a big boy to be a WR. Is he fast?

Yeah..

He's like Stallworth only he actually catches the ball..

Joey Slugs
09-19-2006, 04:18 PM
But is 8-107-2TDs over two games really THAT good?

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 04:21 PM
For an unknown rookie??

Yes..

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-19-2006, 04:35 PM
Whats your point? How many good games has Tom Brady had this year?
My point is Tom Brady isn't coming off a year where threw 30 plus INTs -I'm still not sold on Farve's bad season last year just being a fluke because of who he was playing with, dropping 3 TDs on the Saints secondary doesn't really do it for me.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-19-2006, 04:40 PM
Don't get me wrong, Farve is a hall of famer, but that does not mean he should still be playing.

And I don't know what any of this has to do with Tom Brady, where did I say Brady has been playing good? He hasn't been good at all. I am confident that'll come around tho, and the Patriots will be winning the AFC East. Pretty funny to see everyone jumping off the Dolphins nutsack after only 2 weeks tho

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 05:19 PM
I'm still not sold on Farve's bad season last year just being a fluke because of who he was playing with, dropping 3 TDs on the Saints secondary doesn't really do it for me.

The Pats winning a few super bowls years ago, doesn't sell me that they are still a dominant team..

Mr. Monday Morning
09-19-2006, 05:22 PM
I dunno where you get "dominant" from "winning the AFC east".

Just sayin.

If it was say, the NFC East, then Pats might struggle. But come on, at this point they have to be pretty odds on to win their division.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-19-2006, 05:56 PM
lol where am I saying that the Patriots are a dominant team? Lemme know.

They are still winning the AFC East though, which is all I said.

I can't see the Patriots winning the Superbowl this year unless they get some really good play out of their wide recievers, which sucks since they have a sick group of Tight Ends and the running game should be on point with Maroney and Dillon.

I still dunno what the Patriots have to do with my opinion of Brett Farve being washed up but alright.

RP
09-19-2006, 06:41 PM
My point is Tom Brady isn't coming off a year where threw 30 plus INTs -I'm still not sold on Farve's bad season last year just being a fluke because of who he was playing with, dropping 3 TDs on the Saints secondary doesn't really do it for me.


Dude, he didnt have his starting reciever, the 1st and 2nd string RB. His 1st string TE. His offensive line was crap. His defense lacked a couple of playmakers, wtf do you want from the guy? My god. Not sold? What the fuck would possibly convice you?

Look i'm not saying his skills are not declining, they are, but it surely dont help when your team implodes.

Dont knock Farve for what he did last year. Last year was last year. The Saints arent the greatest team, but they are an NFL team.

Joey Slugs
09-19-2006, 08:10 PM
For an unknown rookie??

Yes..

True, but let's revisit this around week 8.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-19-2006, 08:12 PM
15/29 170yrs 2 INTs

Supreme Olajuwon
09-19-2006, 08:14 PM
I dunno if Brett Favre is washed up, but I do know that Charlie Batch threw 3 tds in a game this year too so let's not jump to conclusions about anything.

Kris P Lettus
09-19-2006, 08:27 PM
lol

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-19-2006, 11:24 PM
Yeah I formed my opinion off simply one game

Gonzo
09-19-2006, 11:29 PM
I still think Favre can ball, he just had nobody last year.

He is definitely on the decline, because he tries to do so much by himself. If he would just manage the game rather than try to be a gunslinger they might string together a few wins. Thats Favre's style though, gunslinger mentality and a gunslinger type player.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-20-2006, 12:43 AM
Favre is one of the (if not the) greatest QBs ever. Give him a solid team, and he'll wipe the floor with Brady.
lol he'll wipe the floor with him?

DrA
09-20-2006, 12:54 AM
Favre is one of the (if not the) greatest QBs ever. Give him a solid team, and he'll wipe the floor with Brady.

Would that be while he is on or off the painkillers?

BCWWF
09-20-2006, 01:46 AM
It's funny because Favre has the whole "Iron Man" thing surrounding him because of his durability, but if you really watch him play, he is afraid of getting hit. I heard them talking about it on the radio, and they were saying how they didn't believe it when they first heard it, but once you watch its true. Of course everybody calls in "YOU CANT SAY THAT HE IS THE IRON MAN!" Of course that is what everybody is going to do here now too, but watch him next time, he really does work hard to not get hit, and it affects his game.

road doggy dogg
09-20-2006, 01:50 AM
I agree with BCWWF, Michael Vick is going to break Favre's record

BCWWF
09-20-2006, 02:04 AM
Get over Favre. He's started a lot of games and been a very average quarterback for a while now.

RP
09-20-2006, 04:44 AM
How do you pass for 54,000 yards, 399 td's, a couple of MVP's and a Superbowl ring and be a average QB? Explain that one to me pal.

DrA
09-20-2006, 04:46 AM
I think he's saying that Favre is past his prime now.

RP
09-20-2006, 04:48 AM
Well no shit. Surround him with a decent team and he's still better then 75% of the QB's in the league.

DrA
09-20-2006, 04:51 AM
True, and I do respect him for not playing "musical quarterbacks" and switching from team to team every year to fill in holes on paper.

But the fact of the matter is that Favre is not on a better team, and that organization needs to find a way to make with what they have and not just on one player.

RP
09-20-2006, 04:55 AM
Brett Farve will beat God.

Kris P Lettus
09-20-2006, 11:43 AM
Yeah I formed my opinion off simply one game

http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/11/21/1132578022_8215.jpg


:foc:

RP
09-20-2006, 11:58 AM
Saints wont win more then 4 games this year so enjoy the early spurt.

Kris P Lettus
09-20-2006, 12:04 PM
Colts will go undefeated..

Untill the playoffs..

Supreme Olajuwon
09-20-2006, 12:30 PM
Bengals/Steelers part 1 this week. I am PUMPED

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-20-2006, 01:21 PM
lol when is that picture from?

RP
09-20-2006, 01:33 PM
Saints wont be...

In the playoffs.

Crippla
09-20-2006, 05:25 PM
LOL. Krispy is so delusional about the Saints if he thinks they'll make the playoffs.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-20-2006, 06:10 PM
Wellllllll...let's hypothesise.

Bucs are horrible. Really, really horrible right now. At the rate they're going, they'll be lucky to make .500

Carolina is 0-2, have lost a key member of their offensive line, and it's not clear when their best player will be back, nor even if/when he'll be 100% due to the nature of his injury.

Atlanta are off to a good start but they have a tendancy to fall off as the season wears on, Dunn especially. If they can't run, Vick has to throw. If Vick has to throw, they're in trouble. Their D might be enough to cover for it, but I'd be cautious right now.

Saints remaining schedule is like this:

Atlanta
@ Carolina
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia
Baltimore
@ Tampa Bay
@ Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
@ Atlanta
San Francisco
@ Dallas
Washington
@ NY Giants
Carolina

I've bolded the games I think they can potentially win. Obviously a lot will change between now and then. But at this point, even though their D is not especially good, they seem to be gelling as a shootout team, which suits most of their players on offence really.

If they win those games they're 9-7. Normally I'd say 9-7 won't get it done, but nobody in the West aside from Seattle will win 9, the teams in the East will beat each other so much 9-7 will probably win that division, and it remains to be seen how good Minnesota will be.

So they could sneak it.

Maybe.

But probably not :$

Crippla
09-20-2006, 06:25 PM
Cinci? Are you fucking kidding?

DrA
09-20-2006, 06:30 PM
Yes, because an upset has never happened in the history of the NFL CanadianCrippla.

UmbrellaCorporation
09-20-2006, 06:32 PM
Colts will go undefeated..

Untill the playoffs..


I lol because it's true. Also, I lol @ the Colts in general.


Saints FTW. :y:

Mr. Monday Morning
09-20-2006, 07:07 PM
Cinci? Are you fucking kidding?

They've already got some injury problems. Don't get me wrong, if they play as well as they can they will shred the Saints defence to ribbons. But they can have points hung on them too. Plus the Superdome is gonna be sold out, unless I'm mistaken - shouldn't make a difference, but you never know.

RP
09-21-2006, 12:46 AM
I see 2 winnable games on that schedule, maybe 3 if they beat Tampa once.

RP
09-21-2006, 12:47 AM
I lol because it's true. Also, I lol @ the Colts in general.


Saints FTW. :y:


Dont worry, everyone in Indianapolis laugh at the Titans on a regular basis.

Gonzo
09-21-2006, 01:20 AM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2773/chadjackedupjc3.gif

Check this out:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=19675

Dude got rocked, he is motha fucking out of it.

RP
09-21-2006, 01:33 AM
thats not Chad Johnson is it?

el fregadero
09-21-2006, 01:45 AM
THAT'S NOT A CLEAN HIT !!

RP
09-21-2006, 01:50 AM
ROFLOMG Click that link and watch his after game press conference. LMFAO. Maybe Chaddy should keep his fat mouth closed from now on. He might not have many more years to play if he dont.

BCWWF
09-21-2006, 01:53 AM
I don't get why people think Brett Favre would still be good with a better team. Of course he would be a little better, but the mistakes he is making now aren't because he has bad recievers. Green Bay could have gone out and made a run for some decent players to give the Packers a push for the playoffs, but Favre's "intangibles" no longer exist. He is an average quarterback on an average team.

Not counting youth, if I had to pick one quarterback to play just this season, I would pick the following before him.

-Tom Brady
-Peyton Manning
-Ben Roethlisburger
-Carson Palmer
-Eli Manning
-Michael Vick
-Donovan McNabb
-Jake Plummer
-Trent Green
-Matt Hasselbeck
-Daunte Culpepper
-Steve McNair
-Drew Brees

I would consider taking these guys before Favre

-Byron Leftwich
-Marc Bulger
-Chad Pennington
-Jake Delhomme
-David Carr
-Drew Bledsoe
-Brad Johnson
-Rex Grossman


It is rediculous to say that Favre could still be among the best quarterbacks in the league.

BCWWF
09-21-2006, 01:54 AM
What I mean by youth, I wouldn't take Ben Roethlisburger over Brett Favre because he is 23 and Brett is 36 or whatever, I would take Ben because he is a much better quarterback right now.

el fregadero
09-21-2006, 02:10 AM
ROFLOMG Click that link and watch his after game press conference. LMFAO. Maybe Chaddy should keep his fat mouth closed from now on. He might not have many more years to play if he dont.
haha he was out of it. And when did Chad get a blonde mohawk lol?

RP
09-21-2006, 02:25 AM
I dont know, but it looks rediculous. I cant wait til Bob Sanders takes his head off on MNF.

Kris P Lettus
09-21-2006, 12:44 PM
lol when is that picture from?

Prolly from that preseason game a few years ago..

p.s. Chad Johnson is the man.. He was interviewed the other day and he had on a shirt with the pic of himself looking exactly like he did at that moment.. Same hair, grill, jewelry, etc..

AWESOME

Gonzo
09-21-2006, 03:38 PM
I couldn't believe that video when I saw it. Clean hit from the looks of it, but I bet he got some pretty killer whiplash from that.

road doggy dogg
09-21-2006, 03:44 PM
I don't get why people think Brett Favre would still be good with a better team. Of course he would be a little better, but the mistakes he is making now aren't because he has bad recievers. Green Bay could have gone out and made a run for some decent players to give the Packers a push for the playoffs, but Favre's "intangibles" no longer exist. He is an average quarterback on an average team.

Not counting youth, if I had to pick one quarterback to play just this season, I would pick the following before him.

-Tom Brady
-Peyton Manning
-Ben Roethlisburger
-Carson Palmer
-Eli Manning
-Michael Vick
-Donovan McNabb
-Jake Plummer
-Trent Green
-Matt Hasselbeck
-Daunte Culpepper
-Steve McNair
-Drew Brees

I would consider taking these guys before Favre

-Byron Leftwich
-Marc Bulger
-Chad Pennington
-Jake Delhomme
-David Carr
-Drew Bledsoe
-Brad Johnson
-Rex Grossman


It is rediculous to say that Favre could still be among the best quarterbacks in the league.

You're retarded to the max. That is all.

The Outlaw
09-21-2006, 03:51 PM
I know I am biased because I am a huge ass homer for him, but did you really just say you would definitely take Jake The Snake Plummer as well as Daunte before Favre? McNair? Trent Green? And then you say you MIGHT take Byron Leftwich? Leftie is better than all previously mentioned guys. I dunno if you've been hitting the bong or what but pass it if so.

road doggy dogg
09-21-2006, 04:28 PM
Yeah I'd def take Steve "I can't pass for over 10 yards" McNair over Favre

RoXer
09-21-2006, 04:31 PM
MADDEN CURSE

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-21-2006, 04:38 PM
While I don't agree with a lot of guys on that list, I am still taking a lot of them over Favre THIS SEASON.

weather vane
09-21-2006, 04:51 PM
Dolphins will rebound.

Crippla
09-21-2006, 06:33 PM
No they won't, Spilchuk.

road doggy dogg
09-21-2006, 07:02 PM
They will when they put Joey Heisman in!

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-21-2006, 07:03 PM
Maybe if Culpepper is able to come around, but I don't know. I can't see him being the same player after what he did to his knee.

Crippla
09-21-2006, 07:04 PM
PATRIOTS WIN AFC EAST WITH NO PROBLEMS!! It's as simple as that and Miami right now is probably the worst team in our division.

BCWWF
09-21-2006, 07:14 PM
That list has only to do with this season. Jake Plummer was one of the top QB's in the NFL last season, McNair has looked good this year on Baltimore, Culpepper was almost the MVP two years ago, I forget who else you disagree with, but Favre is not in the top half of quarterbacks anymore.

BCWWF
09-21-2006, 07:21 PM
Also, if Road Doggy Dogg can muster it, how about an explanation of why Favre is still among the top quarterbacks in the game. The only argument that he almost made was that he is durable and that I am stupid.

road doggy dogg
09-21-2006, 07:22 PM
Which Baltimore games have you been watching?

Supreme Olajuwon
09-21-2006, 10:00 PM
That list has only to do with this season. Jake Plummer was one of the top QB's in the NFL last season, McNair has looked good this year on Baltimore, Culpepper was almost the MVP two years ago, I forget who else you disagree with, but Favre is not in the top half of quarterbacks anymore.

You don't want Favre because of last season even though he looked good last week but you'll take McNair who has been mediocre for the last two years but has looked good this year (which I guess your definition of good is posting a QB rating of 58.0 against the RAIDERS). Guess who rank 21 and 22 in QB ratings this year. McNair and Favre. HUGE upgrade.

You also would rather have Culpepper because he was almost MVP two years ago but looked awful last year. Favre had 30 TD passes two years ago. Also guess who is just behind McNair and Favre at #23. That's right, our friend Daunte Culpepper.

BCWWF
09-21-2006, 10:52 PM
So you are going to completly count Daunte out because he had a season ending knee injury five games into last year? Favre has proven he is an elite quarterback...ten years ago. Daunte came back early from a very serious knee injury and has started slow, I'd still take him.

Instead of attacking me, why don't you make your own list and show where you would put Favre in terms of starting quarterbacks based on nothing but ability this season.

RP
09-21-2006, 10:59 PM
So you are going to completly count Daunte out because he had a season ending knee injury five games into last year? Favre has proven he is an elite quarterback...ten years ago. Daunte came back early from a very serious knee injury and has started slow, I'd still take him.

Instead of attacking me, why don't you make your own list and show where you would put Favre in terms of starting quarterbacks based on nothing but ability this season.

Did you manage to forget the first 8 games Culpepper played last season. He was worse the Bret Farve. In fact he wasnt even on Ty Detmers level. His first two games this year, the same.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-22-2006, 12:08 AM
Brady
P. Manning
E. Manning
Vick
McNabb
Brees
Hasselbeck
Roethlisburger
Grossman
Carr


Last 3 could be maybes, but that's who I am taking over Farve this season, then there's a lump of guys I'd put on some level right now (Leftwich, Bulger, Culpepper, Rivers, B. Johnson)

So while Farve maybe is of the greats, so are Steve Young and Joe Montana. Doesn't do much for me personally this season.

BCWWF
09-22-2006, 12:30 AM
That's all that I am saying.

DrA
09-22-2006, 02:05 AM
Teams don't "come out of their shell" until around week five.

At this point, everything is still total speculation.

weather vane
09-22-2006, 02:24 AM
Maybe if Culpepper is able to come around, but I don't know. I can't see him being the same player after what he did to his knee.

Give him some time. He won't be the same Culpepper but he will be a good quarterback.

BCWWF
09-22-2006, 03:30 AM
Culpepper was pretty mobile for his size, and he might have lost that a little bit, but I think he will be just fine in the long run. I think he is among the top 10 career QB ratings of all time or something like that.

Joey Slugs
09-22-2006, 12:58 PM
So while Farve maybe is of the greats

Maybe? Shit man, I'm a Bears fan and I think he is one of the top 3 greatest. Right there with Marino and Montana.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-22-2006, 01:08 PM
Culpepper was pretty mobile for his size, and he might have lost that a little bit, but I think he will be just fine in the long run. I think he is among the top 10 career QB ratings of all time or something like that.

Doesn't Kurt Warner have the highest career completion percentage or something?

More often than not stats are either useless or misleading.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Maybe? Shit man, I'm a Bears fan and I think he is one of the top 3 greatest. Right there with Marino and Montana.
I deleted the wrong word, I wanted to say one of the greats and not "Maybe is of the greats" lol

Joey Slugs
09-22-2006, 01:30 PM
Culpepper was pretty mobile for his size, and he might have lost that a little bit, but I think he will be just fine in the long run. I think he is among the top 10 career QB ratings of all time or something like that.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/top20/passer_ratings.jsp

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-22-2006, 02:00 PM
Kordell Stewart is ahead of Joe Namath on the list, so who really cares? Football isn't baseball

D Mac
09-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Farve to Kansas City would be cool.

Joey Slugs
09-24-2006, 03:42 AM
Farve to Kansas City would be cool.

Ugh. Another Montana move?

RP
09-24-2006, 02:44 PM
BTW Terrance fucking Wilkins is the man. Colts Special teams is second to none right now.


I TOLD YOU MY BOY IS SICK!

RP
09-24-2006, 03:19 PM
Jacksonville is about to be destroyed in this 2nd half.

Even if Rasheen Mathis is allowed to piggy back Harrison all day.

RP
09-24-2006, 03:22 PM
El Freg, tell me that wasnt a catch by Reggie Wayne. NFL has a new favorite team.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 03:25 PM
haha Almost dropped Maurice Drew today on fantasy football

OssMan
09-24-2006, 04:11 PM
YES Mark Brunell 21/21 so far, guaranteed to keep him starting through week 7 :cool:

OssMan
09-24-2006, 04:31 PM
Vikings and Bears in a battle of field goals shit forgot to make my picks :mad:

BCWWF
09-24-2006, 04:37 PM
YES! We are getting the VIkes game this weekend. The new offense is SO hard to watch, but both of these defenses are top notch. I think the Vikes will pull it out, COME ON BJ!

weather vane
09-24-2006, 04:55 PM
LETS GO PHINS/BEARS!

weather vane
09-24-2006, 05:13 PM
YUP!

Johnny Vegas
09-24-2006, 05:47 PM
The Seahawks are about to destroy the damn Giants...and rightfully so, because they beat my Eagles.

Skippord
09-24-2006, 05:52 PM
The Seahawks are wrecking the Giants shit

weather vane
09-24-2006, 05:53 PM
WOW NYG

fuck

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 06:05 PM
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG MEN

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 06:06 PM
Also lol the Jets come on. I have no idea how they won

el fregadero
09-24-2006, 06:13 PM
El Freg, tell me that wasnt a catch by Reggie Wayne. NFL has a new favorite team.
I have no idea...I was at work during the game. I'll take your word on it though.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-24-2006, 06:26 PM
It would appear that Braylon Edwards is 'for real'

Mr. Monday Morning
09-24-2006, 06:27 PM
lol Plaxico

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 06:29 PM
Also the Min/Chicago game was so hot, and just as Minnesota got the ball with less than 2 minutes they cut out to the stupid Giants pregame. I know I didn't miss anyithng but dkufgds;fg I hate Joe Buck

Mr. Monday Morning
09-24-2006, 06:36 PM
Yeah Bears - Vikings was quite nice, in a defensive type way (I can get Game Pass online now and choose whatever I want to watch :love: )

Switched to Carolina - Tampa late to see Delhomme pull out a clutch scramble. Tampa are terrible. Really, really terrible. I dunno how they came back or were in a position to win but really, how the hell did they win the South last year.

DrA
09-24-2006, 06:38 PM
NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-24-2006, 06:38 PM
Why did the Redskins get Duckett again?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 06:46 PM
lol Giants are awful

NFC is such a joke

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 06:47 PM
Seattle - 35
New York "Football" Giants - 3


It is only halftime :o

OssMan
09-24-2006, 06:49 PM
Congratulations Giants on your re-vamped secondary

DrA
09-24-2006, 06:49 PM
lol Giants are awful

NFC is such a joke
How does the New York Giants being awful result in the NFC being a joke?

Evil Vito
09-24-2006, 06:51 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Easily the worst Giants game I've ever seen. Not even gonna watch the second half (first time in my life I've done that)

I hope Coughlin works the fuck outta these guys the next two weeks and/or losing big time here can eliminate all the bad karma at once.

What a shit two weeks this is gonna be</font>

DrA
09-24-2006, 06:52 PM
Easily the worst Giants game I've ever seen. Not even gonna watch the second half (first time in my life I've done that)

I hope Coughlin works the fuck outta these guys the next two weeks and/or losing big time here can eliminate all the bad karma at once.

What a shit two weeks this is gonna be

If anything, this is karma for the media sucking off the Giants all week for that fluke of a win last week.

OssMan
09-24-2006, 07:00 PM
I dunno I really think this is a coaching thing now. Ever since the game against Carolina in the playoffs (lol) our defense can't play the right defense. Like constant third down conversions every game this year and every single team has had their way with the "new and improved" Giants defense.

Also you talk about the Giants getting a ton of media attention, every post on this page is about the Giants pretty much :-\

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 07:03 PM
I think everyone knows the NFC is much weaker than the AFC

Supreme Olajuwon
09-24-2006, 07:22 PM
WHO DEY WHO DEY WHO DEY THINK GONNA BEAT DEM BENGALS

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBODYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

DrA
09-24-2006, 07:46 PM
I think everyone knows the NFC is much weaker than the AFC

Not really, no.

I would say that teams like the Seahawks and Bears are as good as the Chargers and Colts. Also, the "mediocre" NFC teams look to be better than the mediocre AFC teams this year.

I know it's only week three, but I still see no indication of the AFC being the dominate conference this year. In fact, they might even be weaker than the NFC at this point.

BCWWF
09-24-2006, 07:55 PM
Yeah, what the fuck was that..since when do they switch out of any game with two minutes left? I thought they had to show the whole first game?

I remember in basketball, it was LeBron's pro debut but they couldn't show it from the start because some shitty game before it went into overtime. That is bullshit that the NFL cuts out on a game with two minutes left when the score is within three. What pissed me off even more is that the first five minutes upon cutting to the Rams game was analysis from the commentators.

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 08:04 PM
yeah Minnsesota was walking to trh line then scrreen went blank an all of a sudden Joe Bucks droopy face showed up and started riding the Giants dick I was like comeon

UmbrellaCorporation
09-24-2006, 08:11 PM
I'm a Seahawks fan, but I've gotta say, the Giants are looking pretty awesome right now. Looks like it just took them a bit to get into the rhythm, but it's getting a lot more competitive. :y:

Nervous Ferret
09-24-2006, 08:13 PM
Or the Seahwks could be playing the biggest cupcake D in the history of ever

RoXer
09-24-2006, 08:28 PM
lol cardinals

OssMan
09-24-2006, 08:33 PM
Yeah, what the fuck was that..since when do they switch out of any game with two minutes left?uh, when the home team's game is gonna start

it's like that everywhere. the Redskins are the team here and if their game is gonna start while another one is playing then they will just switch to it. but if they are the first game and its it 69-0 blowout with 10 minutes left and another game is gonna start, they are still gonna show the home teams game

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 08:36 PM
Not really, no.

I would say that teams like the Seahawks and Bears are as good as the Chargers and Colts. Also, the "mediocre" NFC teams look to be better than the mediocre AFC teams this year.

I know it's only week three, but I still see no indication of the AFC being the dominate conference this year. In fact, they might even be weaker than the NFC at this point.
Giants are suppose to be one of the better teams in the NFC and they shouldn't even be on the field with the Seahawks - I really don't see how the AFC could be considered weaker, NFC has that tough NFC East conference though :-\

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 08:37 PM
I hate to say it in week three but tommorow nights game is HUGE for the Saints.. First conference game, fiorst "playoff" team we're facing, first "home" game in over a year..

I can't wait..

Who Dat??

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 08:42 PM
Oh and on the whole AFC/NFC shit, as it stands right now, there are 5 undefeated teams in the AFC and four in the NFC..

But after the Broncos beat the Pats tonight, it'll be all tied up..

;)

Why are we arguing about this in week 3??

OssMan
09-24-2006, 08:45 PM
Falcons were not a playoff team last year

Johnny Vegas
09-24-2006, 09:21 PM
I said it first (probably not), but the fucking Ravens, if they get that killer instinct again, can whip anyone's ass in the AFC and if everyone stays healthy, they can go to the Conference Championship.

DrA
09-24-2006, 09:21 PM
Giants are suppose to be one of the better teams in the NFC and they shouldn't even be on the field with the Seahawks - I really don't see how the AFC could be considered weaker, NFC has that tough NFC East conference though :-\

The Dolphins were supposed to be one of the best teams in the AFC this year and they almost lost to Tennessee, so that argument can go both ways.

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 09:51 PM
Falcons were not a playoff team last year

That is why I put "playoff" in quotation marks, AssMan..

They are a potential playoff team, this year..

Gonzo
09-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again.

The Miz
09-24-2006, 10:14 PM
lol Eli!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3-0

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 10:28 PM
Why are we arguing about this in week 3??haha what else are we going to talk about?

I dunno about the Dolphins argument, since NYJ and the Bills are a lot stonger than they where projected to be. Plus just going off the history of last season as well, saying the NFC is stronger than the AFC is just a ridiculous statement to me.

Pats just got their FG blocked :mad:

Skippord
09-24-2006, 10:37 PM
Javon :love:

Supreme Olajuwon
09-24-2006, 10:48 PM
I said it first (probably not), but the fucking Ravens, if they get that killer instinct again, can whip anyone's ass in the AFC and if everyone stays healthy, they can go to the Conference Championship.
Yeah they kicked the crap out of all three of those winless teams. They sure proved they belong after their 1 point stomping of Cleveland. And after they had to kick 4 red zone field goals last week against Oakland, I'm surprised they didn't just get a free pass into the playoffs.

No but I agree they're terrifying.

RoXer
09-24-2006, 10:49 PM
SPLEENectomy

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 11:01 PM
That was weird how they said that Simms was in critical condition right before the game only to correct themselves minutes later..

Why does one need a blood tranfusion for an operation on the spleen??

How bad is he??

Anyone know about these things??

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
Nah chill guys, he wears pads so you can't get hurt. My sister could be in the
NFL

DrA
09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
That was weird how they said that Simms was in critical condition right before the game only to correct themselves minutes later..

Why does one need a blood tranfusion for an operation on the spleen??

How bad is he??

Anyone know about these things??
He should have never taken advice from George Bush.

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
p.s. It's not like he was having a stellar year or anything, but any loss for the Tampa Bay Fuckinqueers, is a gain for The Saints..

DrA
09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TB/9676507

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 11:04 PM
I saw that this morning on the ESPN pregame show..

Supreme Olajuwon
09-24-2006, 11:15 PM
Not really, no.

I would say that teams like the Seahawks and Bears are as good as the Chargers and Colts. Also, the "mediocre" NFC teams look to be better than the mediocre AFC teams this year.

I know it's only week three, but I still see no indication of the AFC being the dominate conference this year. In fact, they might even be weaker than the NFC at this point.

The Bears beating up on their own terrible division is no indication that they are anywhere near the Colts' level of talent. The only reason the NFC mediocre teams look better than the AFC mediocre teams is because the mediocre NFC teams are fighting for playoff spots. I'd hardly say that makes the NFC a stronger conference.

DaveWadding
09-24-2006, 11:17 PM
Let me be the first to say that the Rams are fucking terrible, but fucking lucky.

DrA
09-24-2006, 11:18 PM
The Bears beating up on their own terrible division is no indication that they are anywhere near the Colts' level of talent. The only reason the NFC mediocre teams look better than the AFC mediocre teams is because the mediocre NFC teams are fighting for playoff spots. I'd hardly say that makes the NFC a stronger conference.
IT IS WEEK 3.

By your logic, the only reason why the Bengals are undefeated is because they beat teams with losing records. Does that mean that the Bengals are winning because they are beating teams that are bad? Not necessarily, since you only have three games to go by at this moment.

DrA
09-24-2006, 11:36 PM
Let's compromise: as of week three, the NFC and AFC are equal in talent and potential.

Truce?

RP
09-24-2006, 11:39 PM
Colts, Jags, Patriots, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers are all better then the best NFC team. Sorry.

DrA
09-24-2006, 11:48 PM
Source?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 11:54 PM
Nooooooooooo Patriots just gave up a long ass TD

This games over :(

Kris P Lettus
09-24-2006, 11:54 PM
But after the Broncos beat the Pats tonight, it'll be all tied up..

WHERE YOU AT CANADIAN STIMALA??

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-24-2006, 11:59 PM
The current overall records really have nothing to do with that argument though, so I really don't know what your point was.

Good job predicting the outcome though I guess :y:

The Outlaw
09-25-2006, 01:03 AM
That list has only to do with this season. Jake Plummer was one of the top QB's in the NFL last season, McNair has looked good this year on Baltimore, Culpepper was almost the MVP two years ago, I forget who else you disagree with, but Favre is not in the top half of quarterbacks anymore.

I don't understand. You base it off this year, yet you bring last season and two years ago into the argument? :-\

Colts, Jags, Patriots, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers are all better then the best NFC team. Sorry.

lol

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-25-2006, 01:13 AM
Favre tore it up today againest the Lions, alright if he does good againest somebody like the Bears or somethign I'll take back my claim. Right now though, I don't think hes a top 10 QB.

CNM
09-25-2006, 01:20 AM
Thank God for that Broncos win. Now maybe we'll hear the end of the whining from Patriots fans. Broncos > Pats

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-25-2006, 01:23 AM
Yeah Broncos have had the Patriots number for a while now. So annoying since I cannot stand the Broncos.

DJ Williams tried to lay out Ben Watson and had to get taken off the field. Ben Watson destories Denver players for some reason, too bad the Pats don't have 11 Ben Watsons :(

CNM
09-25-2006, 01:26 AM
Ben Watson is a freak. They had Champ covering him alot. That shows the respect they have for Watson.

Skippord
09-25-2006, 01:42 AM
Thank God for that Broncos win. Now maybe we'll hear the end of the whining from Patriots fans. Broncos > Pats

RP
09-25-2006, 02:35 AM
BTW, Chris Simms gained so much respect from me today. Chris Simms is The Man this week.

Joey Slugs
09-25-2006, 02:41 AM
Bears: 3-0

I don't care what anyone says about them or the NFC.

BCWWF
09-25-2006, 03:13 AM
Outlaw, it is completely relevant to say that Daunte Culpepper is still a talented quarterback THIS YEAR when he was nearly the MVP two years ago, because he is in his prime age. When I made the post I was still optimistic that he will return to form, but if he is this injured/immobile all season, then he won't be up there. My post was banking on him being healthy.

About the Bears/Vikings game, I really think the Vikings should have won. Grossman's interception was just awful, but it all came down to that final Bears drive and they dominated the Vikings defense when it really mattered. I think they are about equal teams, but the fact that the Bears have some recievers, Mohammad and the tight end guy, will give them the division. Hopefully the Vikes can win 9 or so and get into the playoffs.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-25-2006, 04:07 AM
Thank God for that Broncos win. Now maybe we'll hear the end of the whining from Patriots fans. Broncos > Pats

Speaking of whining Pats fans...where's VEL? :lol:

RP
09-25-2006, 10:54 AM
Dude came back to play with a ruptured spleen. Thats insane.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-25-2006, 02:31 PM
It was either that or put in the backup rookie from Toledo. I'd take dying Simms too.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-25-2006, 02:42 PM
IT IS WEEK 3.

By your logic, the only reason why the Bengals are undefeated is because they beat teams with losing records. Does that mean that the Bengals are winning because they are beating teams that are bad? Not necessarily, since you only have three games to go by at this moment.
No, by my logic the Bengals are undefeated because they went 11-5 last year and are playing this year with 19 returning starters plus 2 new big FA signings. I'm comparing teams from their performance last year mixed with the various roster changes made during the offseason. It's not hard to do. Flawed logic would be assuming that every team starts at the same level of talent at the beginning of the year and only after the season is over can we say who was good and who was bad. Did you honestly think the 49ers and the Texans were Super Bowl contenders at the start of the year? We don't have to wait til Week 15 to claim the Raiders won't make the playoffs.

Johnny Vegas
09-25-2006, 05:03 PM
We don't have to wait til Week 15 to claim the Raiders won't make the playoffs.
lol, we really don't.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-25-2006, 05:14 PM
No, by my logic the Bengals are undefeated because they went 11-5 last year and are playing this year with 19 returning starters plus 2 new big FA signings. I'm comparing teams from their performance last year mixed with the various roster changes made during the offseason. It's not hard to do. Flawed logic would be assuming that every team starts at the same level of talent at the beginning of the year and only after the season is over can we say who was good and who was bad. Did you honestly think the 49ers and the Texans were Super Bowl contenders at the start of the year? We don't have to wait til Week 15 to claim the Raiders won't make the playoffs.
Yeah exactly

I am kind of surprised people are even disputing this claim really, I thought it was a given that the AFC was the tougher conference overall.

Kris P Lettus
09-25-2006, 05:49 PM
WHO DAT?!? WHO DAT?!? WHO DAT SAY THEY GON BEAT DEM SAINTS?!?

Fuck, I wish I was in NOLA b/c I have access to tickets..

FUCK

It's all good.. Going to a private party at my brother bar..

CAN'T WAIT

Who Dat??

DrA
09-25-2006, 06:42 PM
No, by my logic the Bengals are undefeated because they went 11-5 last year and are playing this year with 19 returning starters plus 2 new big FA signings. I'm comparing teams from their performance last year mixed with the various roster changes made during the offseason. It's not hard to do. Flawed logic would be assuming that every team starts at the same level of talent at the beginning of the year and only after the season is over can we say who was good and who was bad. Did you honestly think the 49ers and the Texans were Super Bowl contenders at the start of the year? We don't have to wait til Week 15 to claim the Raiders won't make the playoffs.

What about teams like the Rams? The Cardinals? The Jets?

There's no way you can determine how good teams like that are in only three weeks.

DrA
09-25-2006, 06:53 PM
Also, in a way, teams ARE equal at the beginning of each season.

Everything prior to the season is just speculation that people contrive from looking at free agent pickups etc etc. Sure, the Raiders are horseshit, but there was no way you could have said that with validity before you even saw them play. Take Minnesota and Chicago last year as examples. Everyone believed that the Vikings were a Super Bowl contender and the Bears were destined to be the worse team in the NFL, based before even seeing them play. The fact of the matter is that some teams overperform and the rest underperform to their hype, and there is no way you can determine which team falls into what category at this period of the season.

Kris P Lettus
09-25-2006, 06:56 PM
One team makes it from the NFC just like ONE team makes it from the AFC..

Do you guys want a cookie because it'll be harder for your team to make it to the Super Bowl than a team in the NFC??

DrA
09-25-2006, 07:00 PM
You guys are just going off the notion that Indianapolis, New England, Denver, Pittsburgh, etc have been great in the past, therefore will be great in the future as well.

If football was like this then the Super Bowl would have been Green Bay vs. Kansas City forty times in a row.

UmbrellaCorporation
09-25-2006, 07:54 PM
FUCKING ASS MADDEN CURSE :mad:

http://nfl.com/teams/story/SEA/9684902

KIRKLAND, Wash. (Sept. 25, 2006) -- League MVP Shaun Alexander has a broken left foot and will be lost to the Seattle Seahawks for at least a couple of weeks.

Coach Mike Holmgren said that a bone scan revealed Alexander sustained a "small crack" and "displaced fracture" on a non-weight-bearing bone in his foot sometime during the Seahawks' 42-30 win over the New York Giants. Alexander ran for 47 yards on 20 carries before sitting out the fourth quarter, which began with Seattle leading 42-3.

The coach said last season's NFL rushing leader was on crutches inside team headquarters Sept. 25.

"You lose the MVP for a while, it's a hit," Holmgren said. "Let's face it, he's the MVP. We're not going to sugarcoat it."

Alexander missed practices last Sept. 20-21 because of soreness from a bone bruise he sustained while rushing for 51 yards on 19 carries in the Sept. 10 season opener at Detroit. Holmgren said that bone bruise led to the small crack.

Alexander will miss at least the Oct. 1 showdown at Chicago, which is also 3-0. Seattle has its bye the following week before playing at division rival St. Louis on Oct. 15.

"I don't think it will be lengthy," Holmgren said. "He just has to stay off of it and let it heal."

Holmgren said he could not yet specify how long last season's league rushing champion would be out.

"We're looking at a few weeks, let's put it that way," Holmgren said. "The good thing is, it's just a small, little crack -- if you want to talk about a good thing."

Alexander has started 69 of the last 70 games for the Seahawks. His only absence in that span was a 2002 start that he missed to help with the birth of his first daughter. He entered that game in the second quarter.

Last season, Alexander rushed for 1,880 yards and 27 touchdowns. He has just 187 yards and an average of 2.9 yards per carry through three games. His career average is 4.5 yards per rush. He has gained fewer than 100 yards in each of Seattle's three games this season, his first such streak in two years.

Against New York, the Seahawks welcomed former Super Bowl MVP Deion Branch by featuring four-wide receiver formations, and Matt Hasselbeck threw a franchise record-tying five touchdown passes.

Maurice Morris will make his fourth career start for Alexander against the Bears. Morris rushed 15 times for 18 yards against the Giants.

"You have only one way to go," Holmgren said. "Just plug someone in and go."

Gonzo
09-25-2006, 08:02 PM
About the Bears/Vikings game, I really think the Vikings should have won. Grossman's interception was just awful, but it all came down to that final Bears drive and they dominated the Vikings defense when it really mattered.

:?: Then the Vikings probably didn't deserve the W.

Joey Slugs
09-25-2006, 08:59 PM
Bears will be playing the Seahawks (- Alexander) this week.

4-0?

OssMan
09-25-2006, 09:12 PM
lol did the seahawks actually retire #12 because of their fans? lol

Supreme Olajuwon
09-25-2006, 09:20 PM
DrA, it's called the Law of Probability. Using this law we can assume with a degree of certainty that particular events will take place depending on circumstances surrounding the events.

click here to learn more about the law of probability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability)

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-25-2006, 09:35 PM
Monday Night Football back in New Orleans.....pretty tight

UmbrellaCorporation
09-25-2006, 09:52 PM
I must add a mandatory "lol, falcons" here. Go Saints!

BCWWF
09-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Derserving and should have do not mean the same things Gonzo

RP
09-25-2006, 11:25 PM
It's not even an argument. The AFC is much better then the NFC. It's not about wanting a cookie. Its about correcting posters who claim NFC is better. It just isnt. I have no rooting intrest in anyone in the AFC or NFC besides the Colts. It's just a fact. AFC had crushed the NFC in the past 4 years.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-25-2006, 11:28 PM
Saints are romping the Falcons, Atlanta's offense looks fucking awful tonight (so far) Although Crumpler did drop a wide open TD pass

RP
09-25-2006, 11:34 PM
What about teams like the Rams? The Cardinals? The Jets?

There's no way you can determine how good teams like that are in only three weeks.


Are you serious? The Rams? The Rams lose to the 49'ers. Nuff said.

Jets are beneficiaries of the " shit someone has to win " concept. They've beat the Titans and the Bills.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-26-2006, 01:26 AM
Wow, Atlanta looked terrible tonight. I know it's stupid to say this but it really looked liked they were tanking on purpose.

BTW Krispy any time you and your buddies in New Orleans wanna stop ripping off the Bengals' cheer feel free.

RoXer
09-26-2006, 01:40 AM
BTW Krispy and Supreme any time you and you buddies wanna stop saying the worst cheers of all time feel free.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-26-2006, 03:36 AM
Perhaps the Cardinals would also have a cheer of their own if they ever did anything worth cheering. Or if they had fans. Either one really.

RoXer
09-26-2006, 03:48 AM
Well once they get those things, they will probably make some type of cheer that is in english.

Supreme Olajuwon
09-26-2006, 03:57 AM
Alright, you guys make a cheer that utilizes perfect English, and then realize how lame it sounds.

RP
09-26-2006, 11:03 AM
Nah i think there was so much emotion running through that building and those players, that all it took was one huge play early in the game to set it off. That punt got blocked and returned. Game Over. Atlanta crawled up into the fetal position.

I still dont think the Saints are going to the playoffs, but mad props for last night. You never know. The way the Giants and Redskins and Tampa , Carolina, Seattle losing Alexander.... It could happen. They could make it, but there schedule is horrible.

Kris P Lettus
09-26-2006, 12:21 PM
BTW Krispy any time you and your buddies in New Orleans wanna stop ripping off the Bengals' cheer feel free.

We've been using "Who Dat?" since I can rememeber..

Y'all's cheer??

It comes from Southern Black colleges..

Atleast we're in the South..


Fuck a dirty bird..

Who Dat??

road doggy dogg
09-26-2006, 02:05 PM
So much stuff to talk about this week, I dunno where to even start(!)

Lions looked way better than last week, but their D is still ridiculous. Shaun Rogers was a non-factor all game. Jennings' TD should not have been a TD. Bly totally should've had that tackle. Next time go for the man instead of crying for a flag. Ugh I hate that sooooo much. I nearly pissed myself when Ahman fumbled though. Too bad the Lions couldn't close.

On that note, I'm really liking Kitna. Yeah he's not a great QB or anything but he plays really solid for the Lions. He is by far one of the better parts of the Lions this season so far. He's making good reads, not throwing stupid passes, and generally moving the ball pretty well. I hope he keeps it up.


Atlanta looked awful last night. Like wow. I dunno if it was 'cause the Saints were super pumped up about their home game or w/e, but man. Looked bad. Vick, other than that 4th quarter run, did basically nothing all game. Bush had a couple nice runs.


Seattle, whenever Alexander gets back, is probably going to be the team to beat in the NFC again. They put up 42 points while Alexander had a VERY mediocore game. Hasselback is the man there, and once Alexander gets back and into his groove their team will have a crazy offense.


I think the Bengals have like the best group of WR this side of Arizona right now. Henry and Housh looked ridiculous, and even though CJ has gotten off to a terrible start, it's Chad Johnson. Like Henry isn't crazy good or anything but they have 2 solid WRs and a third with him. Kinda hot.


lolGiants come freaking on. I'm just glad they can't play D, all those garbage-time stats are doing wonders for my fantasy team with Eli. TY.

Will Houston ever have any D? At all?



NFC vs AFC, I dunno too early to tell I guess, but each conf has strong and weak teams. I mean yeah the NFC looks weak overall but... Oakland Raiders, Houston Texans, and Tennessee Titans. Could go either way tbh.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
09-26-2006, 04:48 PM
Matt Leinhart might be starting this week

road doggy dogg
09-26-2006, 07:38 PM
Yeah Green said he was going to start him, but then "changed his mind" and said Warner will start week 4. Leinhart will def be starting by midseason though

Kris P Lettus
09-26-2006, 11:43 PM
Deuce had better runs than Bush..

Sirius NFL radio said today that Warner will start Sunday..

Tedy Bruschi
09-26-2006, 11:52 PM
You know I'm surprised how good the Saints have been playing. I can't believe they killed Atlanta like that.

Kris P Lettus
09-27-2006, 12:32 AM
Kris P Lettus: Praying for a One-peat since 1981

RoXer
09-27-2006, 02:13 AM
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DALLAS (AP) - Terrell Owens was taken to the emergency room for an undisclosed reason Tuesday night, and doctors treating the Dallas Cowboys receiver were trying to induce vomiting, according to a television report.

Owens was brought by a fire rescue crew to Baylor Medical Center, Dallas-Fort Worth television station KTVT reported, citing sources the television station did not identify. A reporter for the station later said she saw Owens being wheeled down the hall.
Broadcast reports indicated that Owens had a bad reaction to pain medication that he was taking as a result of his broken right ring finger.

Calls from The Associated Press to Owens' agent, his publicist and the Cowboys were not immediately returned Tuesday night. The hospital told the AP that they do not have a patient registered by Owens' name.

KTVT said a Dallas police spokesperson was en route to the hospital to talk about a "high profile case."

Owens broke the bone leading to his right ring finger a week ago Sunday night. The next day, a plate was screwed in, protecting the bone so it can heal without further damage.

Earlier Tuesday, Cowboys coach Bill Parcells said he expects Owens to rejoin his teammates at practice Wednesday and would start Sunday in Tennessee if he proves he can play.

"It's just, can he withstand the pain of catching the ball?" Parcells said. "When he can stand it, he can play."

With the Cowboys having had a bye last weekend, Owens could return without having missed a game. He's already said he'll play Oct. 8, when he gets to face his former team, the Eagles, in Philadelphia.

RoXer
09-27-2006, 02:14 AM
TO HAS A FEVER FROM THEM MEDS AND CANT RIDE HIS STATIONARY BOKE ANYMPRE

Kris P Lettus
09-27-2006, 11:22 AM
They are now saying he was attempting suicide..

I just made a thread about it..

WTF

RoXer
09-27-2006, 07:47 PM
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Kris P Lettus
09-27-2006, 08:58 PM
lol

That breaker dude was busting the mad flares..

OssMan
09-27-2006, 11:52 PM
THE AMERICAN DREAM DOES NOT EXIST