NFL 2006 Season Thread

[D Mac]

Typical Arizona

[Nervous Ferret]

The Arizona Cardinals will win the NFC WEst.

[D Mac]

Yeah, just like the Chiefs will win the AFC West. :shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

Bears ARE the favorites in the NFC. Saints may get lots of hype, but besides Drew Brees, they're horrible and overrated.

Either you are smoking crack or cocks..

From the showing last night, besides the D, the Bears are pretty overrated also..

"Horrible and overrated" beat the second best team in the NFC, with dominate ball control..

Keep hating.. Seems to be working for us..

Who Dat??

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, a young O Line didn't allow a sack to a team that has had 24 in the previous 5 games..

"Horrible and overrated"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol I guess you didn't finish reading this thread Kripsy?

[Kris P Lettus]

:nono:

:$

[AlphaBean]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

:love:

So Rectal Pertruder didn't ruin my plan, after all.

:lol:

[Skippord]

Broncos Defense FTW

[RP]

Either you are smoking crack or cocks..

From the showing last night, besides the D, the Bears are pretty overrated also..

"Horrible and overrated" beat the second best team in the NFC, with dominate ball control..

Keep hating.. Seems to be working for us..

Who Dat??


Glad to see i didnt piss on Beans pararde afterall.:roll:

[Kris P Lettus]

RP, I didn't say anything to or about you..

Broncos Defense FTW

Yeah, too bad their offense can only put up 13 points on the worst team in the league..

[road doggy dogg]

Last night's game was fucking ridiculous. Wowwwwwww


Even still, I think the Bears are still the best team in the NFC. I know it's like "wow they went down 20-0 against Arizona", but the fact is they overcame that and still won the game. A win is a win no matter how dirty it is.

[RP]

RP, I didn't say anything to or about you..



Yeah, too bad their offense can only put up 13 points on the worst team in the league..


Nigger stfu. I didnt say anything to you fag.

[Kris P Lettus]

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
Either you are smoking crack or cocks..

From the showing last night, besides the D, the Bears are pretty overrated also..

"Horrible and overrated" beat the second best team in the NFC, with dominate ball control..

Keep hating.. Seems to be working for us..

Who Dat??



Glad to see i didnt piss on Beans pararde afterall.:roll:

Good job with that..

[RP]

Did i say anything about you in that post KRIS P LETTUS! No i didnt thx.

[Skippord]

RP, I didn't say anything to or about you..



Yeah, too bad their offense can only put up 13 points on the worst team in the league..
:'(

[The Outlaw]

You win a game when your QB plays the worst game of his life and its a bad thing? I think that just shows they got the sickest D in the NFL. Grossman won't play like that again, I'd be real surprised if he did. He was just forcing a lot of shit since he was down early. I don't see how the Bears aren't the favorites in the NFC right now.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/football/nfl/img9733728.jpg

Mark Anderson representin'. :cool:

[road doggy dogg]

WOW Shaun Rogers suspended for 4 games. Well, looks like the Raiders aren't going to be the only 1-15 team this season

[AlphaBean]

Last night's game was fucking ridiculous. Wowwwwwww


Even still, I think the Bears are still the best team in the NFC. I know it's like "wow they went down 20-0 against Arizona", but the fact is they overcame that and still won the game. A win is a win no matter how dirty it is.


Yeah flip it around. If it was even throughout and they won at the end after an evenly-matched game, or if the Cards failed in their comeback attempt... same result.

Whether by an inch or a yard, the Lions still lose. LOL, their only good players on both sides of the ball (Woody, Rogers)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL

[AlphaBean]

Booger McFarland.


Hahahaha the Colts use their D Tackles like tampons. Plug 'em in, yank 'em out, toss 'em away, get a new one.

[RP]

huh? Corey Simon is injured cause he's fat. Whats Larry Triplett done ( besides being a pretty good D tackle when we had him )

We miss Triplett, but i think McFarland will be better then both of them. Infact i'm really proud that Polian went out and got a good defensive tackle that knows the system and can play right away with a major impact.

[RP]

Did i mention we'll be getting Bob Sanders back this week.

BOB SANDERS!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

McFarland used to be pretty good, dunno about how hes been playing lately though (like last 3 years haha) Haven't heard much about him

[RP]

Its better then nothing, which is what we have.

[AlphaBean]

Bucs D is old and slow. Booger I think is still in his prime, but Rice, Brooks, Barber, Spires, that MLB I never remember his name... they're old.

Dunno why I heard they're getting rid of Brian Kelly though. Vikes should pick him uppppppppppppp.

[RP]

Oct 17 John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots WR Doug Gabriel would like for the team to pursue Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss prior to the NFL's trading deadline Tuesday, Oct. 17. "He'd be a perfect fit in this offense," Gabriel said of Moss. "He loves to work. If Randy were here, every other receiver would want to pick up their games 110 percent. It wouldn't just be a small push. It would be a big push."


Dude, you're Doug Gabriel.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Yeah

Herald has nothing to talk about, no Red Sox, Patriots coming off a bye week, Cetics only in the preseason.

Bruins dont make the backpage, so I won't eventalk about them

[AlphaBean]

Fucking come on. Randy Moss a Patriot? You wouldn't want that?

But in honesty, Moss does push his receivers. In MN they all were behind him, 100%. Kelly Campbell had productive years here... since Moss was traded, Campbell hasn't made an NFL squad. Burleson was another protege of Moss... Moss is a leader at his position. Maybe he can't be a leader for offensive linemen, but look at how skinny Moss is... how can he relate?

"Hey yawl, I like to eat too... uh, but not as much as yawl. Anyone wanna play Madden and burn one?"

Dunno. A receiver can't be a team leader, Tim Brown doesn't know shit. He wasn't the only veteran on his team, the Raiders were built around old people.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

THE BEARS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WHERE!!!!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

PLAYOFFS?!?! PLAYOFFS?!!? PLAYOFFS?!?! Playoffs? we just wanna win a game PLAYOFFS!?!

[AlphaBean]

BULLSHIT

BULLSHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

:love:

Denny Green is God.

[RP]

PLAYOFFS?!?! PLAYOFFS?!!? PLAYOFFS?!?! Playoffs? we just wanna win a game PLAYOFFS!?!


Its was more like..

AhhhblaffffPLAYOFFS!

[RP]

Jim Mora Sr. = The man.

[Kris P Lettus]

I would cream my pants if Sean Peyton mimicked him in a press confrence closer to the end of the regular season..

[Nervous Ferret]

Wow was gunna go to the Jets game again this week but I have to work gayyyyyyyy. Big time shootout, Jets 38 Lions 34

[Kris P Lettus]

I never work on Sundays..

CHURCH

[RP]

Wow was gunna go to the Jets game again this week but I have to work gayyyyyyyy. Big time shootout, Jets 38 Lions 34

Shootout with Chad Pennington? :lol:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lets see if the Pats can go 5-0 in the AFC east tomorrow, fucking hope so. I got a feeling Parrish is gonna run back punt or something gay (like last time with the fumble return for a TD)

[RP]

I keep thinking the Bills are going to be really good, then i actually watch there games and ask myself what the hell was i thinking.

[Kris P Lettus]

No Saints today..

Got the Bengals/Panthers..

:-\

Go Bengals!!1!

:shifty:

[Nervous Ferret]

I never work on Sundays..

CHURCHI''m not supposed to :mad:

[Kris P Lettus]

Also got the Falcons/Steelers..

Go Steelers!!1!

:shifty:

Kinda weird that I got 2 NFC South teams both facing AFC teams..

[Nervous Ferret]

lol@ stat in Jets game


20 consecutive 1st Quarters without an offensive td

[Nervous Ferret]

LEON BREAKS THE STREAK

7-0 Jets

[Kris P Lettus]

ATL 7
Pitt 3

[Kris P Lettus]

Polamalou pick..

[Nervous Ferret]

Pennington 44 yards to McCareins

14-0 Jets

[OssMan]

matt bryant 62 yd FG lol!!!!

[RP]

I'm about to watch the Colts destroy the Redskins by 25 today.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

62 yarder. Jesus christ I hate Tampa Bay.

[McLegend]

A 62 yard field goal. Motherfucker

[RP]

matt bryant 62 yd FG lol!!!!


miracle to end all miracles lol

[OssMan]

we got PHI/TB and ATL/Steeler both good games! steelers/falcons is so good

[OssMan]

NYJ 31 Lions 24 nice!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

What happened to Roethlisberger? I know he had to leave the game

[OssMan]

looking forward to Redskins losing :mad:

[OssMan]

TEXANS holy cow

[RP]

looking forward to Redskins losing :mad:


losing bad. Guess whos back.




Bob


Sanders

[The Greater Power]

lol I'm sitting here watching the Packer game (which has been awesome) and I see 23-21 at the top.

I checked nfl.com starting lol-ing

[OssMan]

What happened to Roethlisberger? I know he had to leave the gamehit by 3 dudes on the head

[OssMan]

SD 27 KC 27 sweet!!! awesome week

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Where's el freg btw

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Feels strange to type but Tynes comes through in the clutch

[OssMan]

lol nice running Portis

[OssMan]

Redskins 3 and out

[RoXer]

I'm thinking ATL will miss the FG to go into OT.

[D Mac]

GOOD WIN CHIEFS. Still in the hunt.

[OssMan]

ROFL I love watching Sean Taylor get beat. So funny

[OssMan]

I'm thinking ATL will miss the FG to go into OT.good predic

[OssMan]

Colts TD

[RoXer]

Koenen is 1 for 2. Here comes attempt number 3.

[RoXer]

SWERVE Morten Anderson will kick it.

[RoXer]

Short by 1 yard

[RP]

What the fuck was Jim Mora Jr. thinking.

[RP]

His guy just blistered a 56 yard field goal right down the middle. They get 5 yards taken off of it and he brings in 50 year old Morten Anderson???

Thats grounds for being fired right there.

[RoXer]

WOW at that false start.


Into OT

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Rackers missed another FG

Hope you enjoyed your one and only trip to Hawaii, Neil

[RoXer]

Neil is still my boy!!! :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Arizona loves losers

[Mr. Monday Morning]

J. Harrington (33-62, 414)

Damn

[BCWWF]

Nice win by Chiefs today

[D Mac]

Nice win by Chiefs today

We shouldn't have let them get back into it. But yeah, I guess Tynes can stay.

[RoXer]

ATL wins

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Old Man Anderson for the win. Hesitate to write off the Steelers but if Roethlisberger misses any time, IMO they're done.

[D Mac]

Isn't he like 60 years old?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots widerecievers ON POINT TODAY NUGGAS

AFC East Champs = New England Patriots by a landslide

[FearedSanctity]

CUTLER CUTLER CUTLER :'(

[AlphaBean]

OH MY FUCK

MEWELDE MOORE

FUCK MY OH

MATT HASSELBECK AND LOFA TOTUPU TTYL LMAO JK ILY

[AlphaBean]

FUCK CEDRIC GRIFFIN TEXAS LONGHORNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNSPSEFHSPOFHE

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Ohhhh hello Chester Taylor

[Mr. Monday Morning]

CRADS

[Supreme Olajuwon]

With Steve Smith the Panthers are unstoppable

[Nervous Ferret]

Jets 4-3 @ Cleveland next week :cool:

[Nervous Ferret]

Also matched their win total from last year

[OssMan]

LOL @ Seahawks losing to Vikings

[OssMan]

Raiders probably gonna beat ARI hahasup

[OssMan]

Redskins going 15-1

[OssMan]

The Burgundy and Gold

[AlphaBean]

With Steve Smith the Panthers are unstoppable

They fucking were. Jake... are you kidding me? What a pass.

[BCWWF]

This was the first Vikings game this year that was entertaining to watch. The offense was actually working. Let's keep this up.

[Gonzo]

Jets 4-3 @ Cleveland next week :cool:

Whats their schedule like? Looks like they could easily sneak into a Wildcard spot.

[Nervous Ferret]

<TABLE class=roster style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 2px"><TBODY><TR class=second><TD>Sunday, 10/29/06 <TD>04:15 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2028/browns_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">@ Cleveland</TD><TD>CBS-2</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Sunday, 11/05/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px"></TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">BYE</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=second><TD>Sunday, 11/12/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2037/Patriots_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">@ New England</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Sunday, 11/19/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2026/Bears_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">Chicago</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=second><TD>Sunday, 11/26/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2049/Texans_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">Houston</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Sunday, 12/03/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2032/Packers_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">@ Green Bay</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=second><TD>Sunday, 12/10/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2020/Bills_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">Buffalo</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Sunday, 12/17/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2036/Vikings_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">@ Minnesota</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=second><TD>Monday, 12/25/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2035/Dolphins_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">@ Miami</TD><TD>TBA*</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Sunday, 12/31/06 <TD>12:00 PM</TD><TD class=team-logo style="WIDTH: 41px">http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/2040/Raiders_logo_55x41.gif</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 182px">Oakland</TD><TD>TBA*</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

@ Cleveland
Houston
@ Green Bay
Buffalo
@ Miami
Oakland

could very easily go 10-6 with a 4-2 diviosn record.

[Joey Slugs]

Sources: Chargers' Merriman suspended for steroids (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2635475)

[DrA]

Whats their schedule like? Looks like they could easily sneak into a Wildcard spot.

They are definintely flying under the radar, but it may be too much to ask for them to go over SD/Denver, Cincinnati/Baltimore, not to mention that Jacksonville has the tie over them.

I wouldn't be reluctant to say that they could still win their division if they can split with the Patriots.

[AlphaBean]

This was the first Vikings game this year that was entertaining to watch. The offense was actually working. Let's keep this up.

"Brad Johnson here's the gameplan: Hit the open man."

"Oh word? That's all it takes?"

"Yep."

"Okay well... let's do it to it!"

Haha nah he wasn't that good anyway. Getting a 95 yard run will make your offense seem great, when your defense takes a HUGE STEAMING SHIT on the defending Superbowl losers.

HEY THE MIZ, WHATS UP?

[DrA]

Not good for San Diego as they're already lacking somewhat in the linebacker category.

[AlphaBean]

Sources: Chargers' Merriman suspended for steroids (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2635475)

NO! NO!!! NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :(

[RoXer]

NOT LIGHTS OUT :(

[AlphaBean]

They should sign Brock Lesnar and put him at OLB. Imagine a dude that strong who can run a 4.4 40 rushing the QB, then doing an SSP over the blocking back... right onto Jake Plummer's head. :drool:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I suppose he flipped the switch on his arm before he injected himself.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They should sign Brock Lesnar and put him at OLB. Imagine a dude that strong who can run a 4.4 40 rushing the QB, then doing an SSP over the blocking back... right onto Jake Plummer's head. :drool:
Can you imagine how out of position he would be on a simple counter play :drool:

JUST FUCKIN WITH YOU MENG, but seriously you got a sick Brock Lesnar fettish you gotta get over. Seems like you bring that dude up a lot, he wouldn't be good in the NFL. I don't care how many times he can power bomb the Big Show, doesn't really translate into real sports.

[AlphaBean]

Can you imagine how out of position he would be on a simple counter play :drool:

JUST FUCKIN WITH YOU MENG, but seriously you got a sick Brock Lesnar fettish you gotta get over. Seems like you bring that dude up a lot, he wouldn't be good in the NFL. I don't care how many times he can power bomb the Big Show, doesn't really translate into real sports.

Sup with livin' in the past, Michael Stima, I haven't even uttered his breath, even in the throes of orgasm, for probably a year. I used to argue that he'd be fine, and sure he'd be out of position on a counter, but listen. You get a guy like Levon Kirkland or some old dude who is stout against the run, then you bring in Brock for passing downs. In the 3-4 there's one guy always blitzing, isn't there? Last year it was Merriman. He wasn't in on every down. Same with Suggs, when the Ravens were 3-4, Suggs was only 3rd downs, Adalius Thomas was 1st and 2nd.

So you take someone like Lesnar and you just say "Get the QB."

He will.

Of course, isn't Brock like 30 now? :(

[AlphaBean]

So yeah basically the only reason I brought up Brock is because... who the fuck is available? When the Steelers have to bring in Chad Brown, you know there's some linebacking issues. Cowart, Gildon, Claiborne, Posey I think... dunno, they should be able to find somebody I guess, but nobody with 3-4 experience... except Gildon who's pushing 45 and I don't think played last year after playing end for the Jags.

[DrA]

I bet Brock couldn't break 5 on a 40 yard dash.

[DrA]

So yeah basically the only reason I brought up Brock is because... who the fuck is available? When the Steelers have to bring in Chad Brown, you know there's some linebacking issues. Cowart, Gildon, Claiborne, Posey I think... dunno, they should be able to find somebody I guess, but nobody with 3-4 experience... except Gildon who's pushing 45 and I don't think played last year after playing end for the Jags.
You act as if former big name guys are the only players out there on the market. There probably are a ton of linebackers out there that you have never heard of that could be brought in to start and do just as well as any other starter on the team.

SOME OF THEM MAY NOT EVEN BE ON YOUR FREE AGENT MADDEN ROSTER *GASP*.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah Gates has people drunk on the idea that people outside of football can be good in the football just because they are good athletes. It takes more than that

[AlphaBean]

You act as if former big name guys are the only players out there on the market. There probably are a ton of linebackers out there that you have never heard of that could be brought in to start and do just as well as any other starter on the team.

SOME OF THEM MAY NOT EVEN BE ON YOUR FREE AGENT MADDEN ROSTER *GASP*.

K name them.

PS: I only named big names because I don't know names, not because those are THE ONLY names. I'm just too lazy to read the waiver wire.

So like I said... give me a list of the good veteran outside linebackers, preferably ones who have experience in the 3-4.

[DrA]

That is my point: I do not know them either; I am not a scout. I'm just saying that there are some guys who can be selling cars one week and can be returning kick offs for the Ravens the next. You don't have to be a big name to make it in the NFL.

[AlphaBean]

That is my point: I do not know them either; I am not a scout. I'm just saying that there are some guys who can be selling cars one week and can be returning kick offs for the Ravens the next. You don't have to be a big name to make it in the NFL.

Depending on the system, for sure.

But at linebacker, it helps to not suck. Though I dunno, Vikings' best linebacker not named EJ "Hasselbeck breaker" Henderson... or Ben "I might be White, dunno" Leber... is Heath Farwell, undrafted FA who dominates on ST and in preseason with the 2s and 3s... I bet he could succeed somewhere, but then... he's not a "name." Like Napoleon harris, ugh.

Anyway, it's better to have a scrub who knows the system than a player who doesn't know the system, BUT if you NEED to get somebody, you should probably find somebody who has NFL experience who knows a certain coaching style. Defense is a lot harder to expect from a Car salesman... than the whole "run in a straight line" thing the Ravens kick returner can do...

[DrA]

You're right about that, but I think it was Kevin Kaesviharn (it actually might have been someone else), the safety for the Bengals, that went to some weird college and was working as a substitute teacher before he made it with Cincinnati.

You just never know when a Tom Brady will come out of nowhere and becomes a star for their team.

[dablackguy]

Anyway, it's better to have a scrub who knows the system than a player who doesn't know the system

Rep for that because its the truth. Don't believe it, look how far Lavar Arrington has fallen off

He was ridiculous in Washington, the Gibbs came back, changed the system and he became very pedestrian, he's the same with the Giants. Talent isn't everything, the right system goes a lot further than just raw talent, specifically on defense

[Skippord]

They should sign Brock Lesnar and put him at OLB. Imagine a dude that strong who can run a 4.4 40 rushing the QB, then doing an SSP over the blocking back... right onto Jake Plummer's head. :drool:
Why Jake? :'(

[Skippord]

CUTLER CUTLER CUTLER :'(
Seriously we are the most boring football team to watch

[RP]

Peyton Manning is MVP of the league right now. As much as no one wants to admit it.

[RP]

The dude got bent up into a pretzel and came back and dropped bombs on Washington.

Dungy said it best " He's alot tougher then people think ".

I thought for sure he was out for atleast 6 weeks atleast when i saw that hit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Are you implying that Peyton Manning is under appreciated because if you are then you just typed the stupidest comment ever posted on the internet.

[RP]

Do you see any implications in my post? Do you even know what an implication is? Obviously not, or you just dont know how to read. Take this moment to go edit your post if you want.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I stand by my statement.

[RP]

Why dont you point out that " implication " there smart guy. Then stand by that statement.

[RP]

or just stfu, thats good enough.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Interesting tactic you're using here. You're like a guy who yells and waves his arms at people hoping they won't notice the burning wreckage of an airplane next to him.

Well I'm not buying it.

[RP]

Supreme, I understand how this will go. You're cooler then me. Everyone thinks i'm being a dick cause you say so. I lose.

I just want anyone that is willing to read the last 6 posts to realise that I was trying to discuss football and all you're doing , is trying to push my buttons for no apparent reason. There was no implication. You cant even find this " implication " that you spoke of and now you're spinning it like i just started some sort of major argument.

P.S. I have no clue what your last post is supposed to mean. I didnt think i was using a tactic, trying to discuss possible MVP canidates.

Keep spinning though man. I'm sure everyone will come in and gang up on me for discussing football topics, like usual. And i'm sure, once you get a few posters on your side, you'll escape without actually explaining your initial comment, which made no sense and wasnt really even needed. And i'm sure you'll win. Congradulations.

[road doggy dogg]

rofl shut up

[RP]

no! You know what....

You.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Supreme, I understand how this will go. You're cooler then me. Everyone thinks i'm being a dick cause you say so. I lose.

I just want anyone that is willing to read the last 6 posts to realise that I was trying to discuss football and all you're doing , is trying to push my buttons for no apparent reason. There was no implication. You cant even find this " implication " that you spoke of and now you're spinning it like i just started some sort of major argument.

P.S. I have no clue what your last post is supposed to mean. I didnt think i was using a tactic, trying to discuss possible MVP canidates.

Keep spinning though man. I'm sure everyone will come in and gang up on me for discussing football topics, like usual. And i'm sure, once you get a few posters on your side, you'll escape without actually explaining your initial comment, which made no sense and wasnt really even needed. And i'm sure you'll win. Congradulations.No it is because Supreme is right

Your post does make it seem like Manning is underappericated or something, "He is the MVP as much as people don't want to admit it" lol what are you talking about? Who disputes the claim that Manning is one of the best players in the NFL? I don't think anyone does. I don't think anyone doubts his toughness either, since I don't think he has missed a start in his entire career. You really do say the dumbest shit sometimes, then when somebody calls you out on it you have no response then post dumb shit like your last reply. "Keep spinning though man" lol COME ON

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Look man, I got nothing but respect you alright? I respect the hell out of you. You're one of the five or six illest cats here. But you start talking ish and you might get jacked.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There you go again Supreme, not pointing where that " implication " was smart guy.

[FearedSanctity]

Seriously we are the most boring football team to watch

I seriously want to be pissed at Denver, but we're like, winning, so it's hard to do. Yesterday was the most sensible time so far this season to put Cutler in, and he didn't for whatever reason. If Cleveland's defense had better hands, they could've easily had like, 1000 INTs yesterday. Bet Plummer still would've been in too even if he had thrown double that

[AlphaBean]

Ahahahaha love when the tables turn on RP and he goes bitch, leaking pussy juice all over a thread.

YOU WILL HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COME GANG UP ON ME AND THAT AINT FAIR, JUST LIKE THE TREATMENT YOU'RE ALL GIVING TO PEYTON MANNING :'(

[RP]

I'll kick all your asses in real life.

[RP]

John Kitna

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

" John Kitna "

[D Mac]

Bengals are still a bunch of bitches.

[D Mac]

Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has been notified he will be suspended for four games for violating the NFL's steroids and related substances policy, league and team sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2635475

[Joey Slugs]

Peyton Manning is MVP of the league right now. As much as no one wants to admit it.
He might have the best passer rating right now, but he is nowhere close to being MVP (so far). That award, my friend, will be going to Donovan McNabb.

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg1" align="center"><td>Player</td><td>Team</td><td>Yds</td><td>Att</td><td>Cmp</td><td>TDs</td><td>Ints</td><td>Long</td><td>Rating</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Peyton Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531)</td><td align="center">IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/IND)</td><td>1620</td><td>206</td><td>131</td><td>12</td><td>2</td><td>51</td><td>103.2</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361)</td><td align="center">PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/PHI)</td><td>2151</td><td>243</td><td>144</td><td>16</td><td>5</td><td>87</td><td>101.7</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm sure once Trent Green gets his feeding tube removed he'll have nothing but nice things to say about the Bengals.

[D Mac]

I'm sure once Trent Green gets his feeding tube removed he'll have nothing but nice things to say about the Bengals.

FYI he's practicing with the team already.

[LoDownM]

Good..Maybe we'll go 13-3 now :shifty:

[el fregadero]

Where's el freg btw
I was contemplating suicide that's what. Come on, Leftwich, even Joey Harrington had like 400 yards passing this week.

[Gonzo]

Donovan McNabb is the clearcut MVP if it were to be decided right now in my opinion. Take him away from the Eagles and their team flounders.

Giants/Cowboys tonight. Giants will probably play below their talent level, Tim Lewis (D-Coordinator) will probably play a terrible defensive scheme and we will look like we suck again.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

FYI he's practicing with the team already.
I wonder what Eddie Kennison said to Trent Green the first time he saw him at practice. "Hey man I know I pushed the guy into you who knocked you out cold but I was wondering if I could get some more deep balls thrown my way."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Donovan McNabb is the clearcut MVP if it were to be decided right now in my opinion. Take him away from the Eagles and their team flounders.
ain.
What do the Colts do without Peyton Manning? I mean Donovan McNabb is very good but I don't see how you can have the highest rated QB on the league's best team and then say another QB is more deserving.

[Joey Slugs]

What do the Colts do without Peyton Manning? I mean Donovan McNabb is very good but I don't see how you can have the highest rated QB on the league's best team and then say another QB is more deserving.

But that's all Payton has is a higher QB rating. McNabb has more TDs, attempts, completions, yards and all with not having the WR talent that Payton has.

Plus, it's not like Payton has a 10 or 20 point lead in the rating or anything. His lead is a point and a half.

The vote is still with McNabb.

And the last time I checked... the Colts aren't the NFL's best team.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Take away Manning from the Colts or McNabb from the Eagles and they are both going to suck, so I don't really understand that arguement in terms of the MVP race

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Philly has plenty of people catching the ball. Sure Indy has Wayne and Harrison but other than that their best option is Dallas Clark and he only has 165 yards on the season. Philly has 6 guys who have over 165 yards on the season. You cannot possibly make the argument that McNabb is lacking people to throw to. If we're gonna make any statement about lack of support how about comparing running backs?

And we can compare stats too. I don't see how more attempts is any indication that McNabb is better. Manning's completion % is better than McNabb's. McNabb's thrown more picks too. Also let's not forget that the Eagles are 4-3 compared to the 6-0 Colts.


And last time I checked... the Bears were beating up mediocre teams. That doesn't make them the best team in the NFL.

that includes Seattle btw

[Skippord]

I seriously want to be pissed at Denver, but we're like, winning, so it's hard to do. Yesterday was the most sensible time so far this season to put Cutler in, and he didn't for whatever reason. If Cleveland's defense had better hands, they could've easily had like, 1000 INTs yesterday. Bet Plummer still would've been in too even if he had thrown double that
Yeah I think we should play Cutler at least a series a game so he can ease into it

[DrA]

Philly has plenty of people catching the ball. Sure Indy has Wayne and Harrison but other than that their best option is Dallas Clark and he only has 165 yards on the season. Philly has 6 guys who have over 165 yards on the season. You cannot possibly make the argument that McNabb is lacking people to throw to. If we're gonna make any statement about lack of support how about comparing running backs?

And we can compare stats too. I don't see how more attempts is any indication that McNabb is better. Manning's completion % is better than McNabb's. McNabb's thrown more picks too. Also let's not forget that the Eagles are 4-3 compared to the 6-0 Colts.


And last time I checked... the Bears were beating up mediocre teams. That doesn't make them the best team in the NFL.

that includes Seattle btw

That's a frivolous argument.

"Well, even though this team has won all their games, they have an easy schedule so really they aren't that good."

You can make that point in college football, but not in the NFL, especially if you are 6-0. You don't win six games in a row in the NFL unless you are a good team.

[Joey Slugs]

That's a frivolous argument.

"Well, even though this team has won all their games, they have an easy schedule so really they aren't that good."

You can make that point in college football, but not in the NFL, especially if you are 6-0. You don't win six games in a row in the NFL unless you are a good team.

I guess he's also stating that the Titans and the Texans are top teams since the Colts have onlt beaten the best this year.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Titans are the best.


....yeah. I said it. :shifty:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's a frivolous argument.

"Well, even though this team has won all their games, they have an easy schedule so really they aren't that good."

You can make that point in college football, but not in the NFL, especially if you are 6-0. You don't win six games in a row in the NFL unless you are a good team.
I'm glad you have mastered the ability to read otherwise you might've mistaken something I wrote and took off with it in another direction. I'm glad you knew that "not the best team in the league" and "not that good" are the same thing. Isn't funny though that every year there is only one good team and everyone else sucks? You would think that of the 31 teams who aren't the best team in the league, at least one of them would be decent but it never happens. I mean I could tell you about how I actually think the Bears are the second best team in the league right now and that would obviously mean that they are scouting for their upcoming top 3 pick in the draft.

But yeah you definately hit the nail right on the head.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If Indy beats New England in a few weeks I'll say they are the best, right now its pretty much a toss up. Colts run defense is pretty suspect, while Chicago's D is fucking ridiculous. If it wasn't for that Arizona game, I'd say hands down its Chicago but now I'm not so sure.

[DrA]

Supreme, have you been taking cynicism lessons from Dennis Miller? Because if you keep it up you might have a job as a commentator on Monday Night Football in a year or two.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I guess he's also stating that the Titans and the Texans are top teams since the Colts have onlt beaten the best this year.
orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I was stating that the Colts team featuring 20 returning starters from last year's team that went 14-2 including a 2 time (soon to be 3) MVP at QB is a better team than the Bears team with a QB who had 6 turnovers against the Arizona Cardinals

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Supreme, have you been taking cynicism lessons from Dennis Miller? Because if you keep it up you might have a job as a commentator on Monday Night Football in a year or two.
And if you keep up your wonderful interpretation of the written word, you might get a job with the Christian Right.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>FIRST PLACE :cool:

Damn good game. Good to see a lot of guys stepping it up, especially Arrington. Hopefully Osi won't be out long</font>

[Skippord]

He might have the best passer rating right now, but he is nowhere close to being MVP (so far). That award, my friend, will be going to Donovan McNabb.

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg1" align="center"><td>Player</td><td>Team</td><td>Yds</td><td>Att</td><td>Cmp</td><td>TDs</td><td>Ints</td><td>Long</td><td>Rating</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Peyton Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531)</td><td align="center">IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/IND)</td><td>1620</td><td>206</td><td>131</td><td>12</td><td>2</td><td>51</td><td>103.2</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361)</td><td align="center">PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/PHI)</td><td>2151</td><td>243</td><td>144</td><td>16</td><td>5</td><td>87</td><td>101.7</td></tr></tbody></table>
I think that would be going to Jake Plummer :shifty:

[DrA]

And if you keep up your wonderful interpretation of the written word, you might get a job with the Christian Right.

I guess I did not express myself as clearly as I wanted to.

I thought you were saying something along the lines of "The Colts are the better team because they have beaten better teams", like some sort of BCWWF comment about West Virginia's schedule. I don't know.

[DrA]

Frankly I only replied because you wrote it to keep up the tension we have had the past couple of weeks.

[BCWWF]

The fact that McNabb has that many good recievers is a testiment to how good he is playing, considering who they are. Hank Baskett was an undrafted free agent, for example. Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison are Pro Bowl recievers.

[AlphaBean]

The fact that McNabb has that many good recievers is a testiment to how good he is playing, considering who they are. Hank Baskett was an undrafted free agent, for example. Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison are Pro Bowl recievers.

Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?

[RP]

No it is because Supreme is right

Your post does make it seem like Manning is underappericated or something, "He is the MVP as much as people don't want to admit it" lol what are you talking about? Who disputes the claim that Manning is one of the best players in the NFL? I don't think anyone does. I don't think anyone doubts his toughness either, since I don't think he has missed a start in his entire career. You really do say the dumbest shit sometimes, then when somebody calls you out on it you have no response then post dumb shit like your last reply. "Keep spinning though man" lol COME ON

You're right. I didnt mean it like that, but the wording makes it come off like that.

I think Manning is MVP so far this year. Whats everyone else think?

[RP]

He might have the best passer rating right now, but he is nowhere close to being MVP (so far). That award, my friend, will be going to Donovan McNabb.

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg1" align="center"><td>Player</td><td>Team</td><td>Yds</td><td>Att</td><td>Cmp</td><td>TDs</td><td>Ints</td><td>Long</td><td>Rating</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Peyton Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531)</td><td align="center">IND (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/IND)</td><td>1620</td><td>206</td><td>131</td><td>12</td><td>2</td><td>51</td><td>103.2</td></tr><tr class="bg2" align="right" height="17" valign="middle"><td align="left">Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361)</td><td align="center">PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/PHI)</td><td>2151</td><td>243</td><td>144</td><td>16</td><td>5</td><td>87</td><td>101.7</td></tr></tbody></table>

I'd say the difference being, Manning lost his star Rb and his defense is very questionable. And been very responsible for 4 of the 6 wins Indianapolis has had. And Indy is 6-0. Philly is 4-3.

[RP]

Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?


We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.

[D Mac]

I wonder what Eddie Kennison said to Trent Green the first time he saw him at practice. "Hey man I know I pushed the guy into you who knocked you out cold but I was wondering if I could get some more deep balls thrown my way."

Actually it was "Hey glad to see you back after that pussy ass cheap shot took you out."

[Kris P Lettus]

Everyone can clearly see that the Saints are the best team in the league..

[RP]

Everyone can clearly see that the Saints are the best team in the league..


Not quite, but one of the best?? Maybe.

[Kris P Lettus]

Being alittle silly there..

I saw Mike Doss is out for the season..

[RP]

Being alittle silly there..

I saw Mike Doss is out for the season..


Yah thank god Bobby Sanders is coming back for Denver.

Bathea is for real. He's good.

ps I :heart: Booger

[Joey Slugs]

Actually it was "Hey glad to see you back after that pussy ass cheap shot took you out."

Clean Hit.

[AlphaBean]

We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.

So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?

They're arguing that McNabb is doing better than Manning because he has worse receivers. I tried to defend your claim that Manning is MVP by saying... how can anyone know who makes whom? Did Manning make his receivers, or did they make him? He's had Harrison and Wayne for years, McNabb always has new receivers. It's impossible to tell what each QB would do in the other's shoes. You can't. And any receiver CAN be the next Harrison or Rice (I said Wayne). Players get better every year, if you honestly think there will NEVER be another, you are an idiot.

Basically, if you're going to fight me on this, you're arguing that McNabb is MVP.

Way to go.

So intent on fighting everybody that you don't even know what you're fighting about anymore.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Going back to the MVP topic I really don't know who I'd choose. I wouldn't have any problem with McNabb or Manning, although both have their faults. It's probbably Manning right now tho, he's led a a pretty awful (so far anyway) defense to a 6-0 start so I think that'd cancel out his bad performances againest some of the weaker teams in the NFL (Tennesse games comes to mind, pretty sure there was another just can't remember which...only reason I know that is cuz hes killing me on my fantasy team :mad: haha)

[AlphaBean]

It's between Brad Johnson and Edgerrin James, IMO.

[Kris P Lettus]

Edge is only averaging like 2.5 yards per carry..

[Gonzo]

Giants whooped ass, LaVar is out for the season though. :(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

wow does TO ever shut up? They showed like 19 different clips of him yelling on the sidelines lol

[RP]

So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?

They're arguing that McNabb is doing better than Manning because he has worse receivers. I tried to defend your claim that Manning is MVP by saying... how can anyone know who makes whom? Did Manning make his receivers, or did they make him? He's had Harrison and Wayne for years, McNabb always has new receivers. It's impossible to tell what each QB would do in the other's shoes. You can't. And any receiver CAN be the next Harrison or Rice (I said Wayne). Players get better every year, if you honestly think there will NEVER be another, you are an idiot.

Basically, if you're going to fight me on this, you're arguing that McNabb is MVP.

Way to go.

So intent on fighting everybody that you don't even know what you're fighting about anymore.

Did Montana make Rice or did Rice make Montanta

[RP]

My point is, Manning and Harrison didnt make eachother. They complimented eachother. They're both HoF players. Why is it assumed that one makes the other.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?

[BCWWF]

So basically, Peyton Manning is the MVP because his proven wide recievers aren't playing well and Donovan McNabb is overrated because his rookie wide recievers are far exceeding expectations.

[AlphaBean]

Haha Stima gets it. RP argued until his point is dead. Wow. That's a Homer Simpson moment right there.

"10 dollars? ID DO IT FOR FREE!"

"Okay, do it for free."

"FREE? I'D PAY TO DO IT!"

"Okay."

:nono:

[RP]

So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?

That wasnt my argument, I thought Bean was saying that McNabbs recievers might be as good as Harrison or Wayne some day. I simply said, that i didnt think they'd be as good as Harrison, or Wayne.

I wasnt really talking interms of comparing McNabb and Manning. I think my posts are being read out of contex.

[RP]

Haha Stima gets it. RP argued until his point is dead. Wow. That's a Homer Simpson moment right there.

"10 dollars? ID DO IT FOR FREE!"

"Okay, do it for free."

"FREE? I'D PAY TO DO IT!"

"Okay."

:nono:

Why do you quickly pounce on people and try to make them look like asses, when you dont completely understand what they're saying? Its really ignorant. But you've always done it, so o well .

[RP]

We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.



So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?



Yah, thats exactly what i said, because thats exactly what you read in my post. Me saying that. Right? Fuck off please.



My point is, Manning and Harrison didnt make eachother. They complimented eachother. They're both HoF players. Why is it assumed that one makes the other.


So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?

I never said it wasnt.






So basically, Peyton Manning is the MVP because his proven wide recievers aren't playing well and Donovan McNabb is overrated because his rookie wide recievers are far exceeding expectations.

I never said this either. Never even close. I'm starting to wonder if any of you either bother reading what i say. I know Alphabean doesnt.



Haha Stima gets it. RP argued until his point is dead. Wow. That's a Homer Simpson moment right there.

"10 dollars? ID DO IT FOR FREE!"

"Okay, do it for free."

"FREE? I'D PAY TO DO IT!"

"Okay."

:nono:


You have no clue at this point. You're just trying to make yourself look good. I havent even argued much at all.

[AlphaBean]

Why do you quickly pounce on people and try to make them look like asses, when you dont completely understand what they're saying? Its really ignorant. But you've always done it, so o well .

Uh, fucking look in the mirror, pal. You pounced on me, like a plucky kid who has his hat over his eyes, swinging every which way. I was trying to take your side and you shat on me, and want to ask me why I pounce? Fucking right.

There's only one "contex" of my post, and that's Manning vs McNabb, in response to the people who said that McNabb's receivers are horrible.

Also, don't you daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare play the victim, not here, not ever. You have as much right as I have to play the victim. You know you deserve everything you get, and then some. You will never, ever get "sympathy" from me, especially considering I tried being cool with you... but instead, you "pounced" on everything I've ever said. Including, but not limited to what I said about Brees not two days ago.

Fuck. Sometimes you're absolutely terrible, you know that?

[AlphaBean]

LOL do you blame me for never reading your posts? Now it's either you being high and queer, or all moody like "why are you guys picking on me?" and queer, or "I want to shove my tongue in someone's ass" queer. Otherwise it's your typical "I HATE YOU AND HOPE U R DIE."

But no, I read your shit. Maybe a little less weed will lead to less "misinterpretations."

At what point, do you begin to think that if everyone misunderstands you... maybe it's not their fault?

[RP]

You said...

Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?

I said..

We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.

Yah clearly i'm shitting an enormous amount of shit on you there.:roll:

[AlphaBean]

Saying something I'm saying is "a stretch" and "holds no water," certainly isn't what I was expecting when I was TAKING YOUR SIDE.

But fuck that. Forget it. Just drop it. This argument is over.

You get what you want, dude. Everyone to team up on you. And that's what happens when the only time anyone takes your side, you argue against them.

I won't make that stupid mistake again... I should just assume that you're ALWAYS WRONG, so when people argue against you, I'll take their side, because eventually you will, too, whether you mean to or not.

[RP]

I'll admit, i didnt read BCWWF's comments on the previous page at the end, I understand what you're saying now. Manning shouldnt be punished for having great recievers. At the same time, Mcnabb should be commended for having average recievers and still putting up big numbers. I get it now. I was never shitting on you in the first place. Its done now . K?

[RP]

Saying something I'm saying is "a stretch" and "holds no water," certainly isn't what I was expecting when I was TAKING YOUR SIDE.

But fuck that. Forget it. Just drop it. This argument is over.

You get what you want, dude. Everyone to team up on you. And that's what happens when the only time anyone takes your side, you argue against them.

I won't make that stupid mistake again... I should just assume that you're ALWAYS WRONG, so when people argue against you, I'll take their side, because eventually you will, too, whether you mean to or not.

I'll fuck your bum like i love you.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

SI.com Player Poll, who is the best receiver in the league

Terrell Owens, Cowboys.....28%
Steve Smith, Panthers.....23%
Marvin Harrison, Colts.....20%
Chad Johnson, Bengals.....13%
Randy Moss, Raiders.....8%
Torry Holt, Rams.....3%
Santana Moss, Redskins.....1%
Hines Ward, Steelers.....1%
Mushin Muhammad, Bears.....1%
Anquan Boldin, Cardinals.....1%

There's no fucking way Torry Holt only deserves 3%. God, he is so slept on it's not even funny.

[RP]

I'd say Torry Holt hands down.

If its all time, from that list, i'd go Harrison, Moss, Holt then Owens

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

That wasnt my argument, I thought Bean was saying that McNabbs recievers might be as good as Harrison or Wayne some day. I simply said, that i didnt think they'd be as good as Harrison, or Wayne.

I wasnt really talking interms of comparing McNabb and Manning. I think my posts are being read out of contex.
Word, I wasn't really following along with your argument with AlphaBean

[RP]

P.S. 11 days sTiMa34

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

yahtzeeee

[Savio]

Bledsoe Is the reason Cowboys lost not TO

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why would they approve having 2 regular season games outside of the United States? Such a terrible idea.

[BCWWF]

Rectal, my comments weren't directed at you.

[Gonzo]

P.S. 11 days sTiMa34

I don't know if I ever mentioned this but I won two tickets to the Pats/Colts game in Foxboro for that day. Gonna be fucking sweet.

[OssMan]

Why would they approve having 2 regular season games outside of the United States? Such a terrible idea.yeah i seriously dont get this, taking a huge shit on the fans, do they even get to go to the out of country game if they have season tickets (even though no one will)? Giants probably gonna get one too since they had 9 home games last year

[RP]

I don't know if I ever mentioned this but I won two tickets to the Pats/Colts game in Foxboro for that day. Gonna be fucking sweet.

I hate you.

[BCWWF]

The NFL can make just as much money selling out a stadium in Germany as it can in the United States. The TV revenue will be the same, the potential new viewers increases and the NFL creates its own market.

Honestly, do you think that Giants fans are going to be so pissed off that they lost a random home game that they aren't going to sell out Giants Stadium? (Assuming one of the games is the Giants).

I mean it kind of sucks, but it is a win-win situation for the NFL.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah fuck you guys, I wanna shout derogatory remarks at Eli too.

[Kris P Lettus]

Bledsoe Is the reason Cowboys lost not TO

No..

It's their terrible O-Line..

p.s. I fucking love Chad Johnson.. I mean, "Ocho Cinco"..

[RP]

Yah there O-line is horrible and it sucks for Drew cause it was the same deal in Buffalo. His O-line was horrible there too. He still has cement cleets on, but he'd be alot better if that O-line mixed in a blitz coverage from time to time.

I also love Chad Johnson. He was suppose to be keeping his mouth shut and i honestly think it hurts his game a little bit when he's not talking smack and proposing to cheerleaders on the sidelines. Marvin Lewis needs to let Chad be Chad. I love the smack talking Chad. He's going to torch Atlanta and i'm gunna love it. Cant wait til that guy comes to Indianapolis. I'll be in the frigging building cause that games gunna be so damn hot on Monday night.

[RP]

Honestly, its to the point where if Chad Johnson tells me, the fan, that he's going out there and scoring a touchdown on someone, no matter how many people are covering him, I believe it.

[Kris P Lettus]

"Hey TJ!!1! You wanna get fined Sunday?!?! I'ma pay it.."

AWESOME

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I don't get why Lewis would be againest Chad saying the shit he does, everyone knows hes just fucking around. Its not like players from the other team use it as billboard material or something

And back to the NFL game overseas, I don't see how you can like this idea. It hurts the fans of the home team, so what if they don't sell out the stadium (Pretty sure a large percentage of NFL teams sell out) It is still taking away an opportunity for fans to see them play in their home city, which to me is really stupid. It also takes away a home field advantage from the home team, plus the 2 teams are now forced to make a longer than usual trip (the only trip that wouldn't be THAT bad, would be a team from the NFC East going to England or something since that is like 30 minutes longer then going to Cali) Teams would also have to change up their entire "roadtrip" routine, which is they hate - creatures of habit. I realize the NFL is about making money but football is never going to blow up globally like basketball did, I think they just need to stop trying and just accept it. The majority of England will never be a fan of football in general, nevermind the NFL so I think it is a terrible move. Back to the teams that don't sell out thing, if those teams can't sell out in their home city why try to take them on the road to different countries? I mean yeah for that one game maybe they'll make more money, great, but why not use those efforts and try to increase the interest in the home team within you know, the actual home city?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not feeling bad for the players who have to go overseas and play - they make plenty of money to play a game. What does bother me though is that this is going to hurt the product, from everything I've read all the players hate the idea. I can definetly see the travel time to go to places like China definetly effecting the on field play of the players, which is fucking retarded. I don't care if some people who don't give a shit about the NFL get to check out a game, I wanna see the best possible product on the field.

[AlphaBean]

Dude, NFL Europe is a failure, why would they doom the REAL NFL to the same fate?

[Nervous Ferret]

Pretty sure the Jets and Giants have had sellouts for like the last 10 years straight or something. Could be wrong but I remember hearing that somewhere. All their tickets are season tickets with a waiting list and so forth.

[Team Sheep]

I'm from Britain, and I'm not personally a fan of the idea. I think if you wanted to see a game so badly and you lived outside of the US then you should make your own effort to go and see a game. That's where the real atmosphere is, it just wouldn't be the same with a stadium full of English people in Wembley or something. The true NFL experience is in the US.

[AlphaBean]

WHO ATE ALL THE PIES?

JARED LORENZEN ATE ALL THE PIES!

I think it would be great if they could get a soccer atmosphere in an NFL audience... but you can't, because nobody cares over there.

[The Outlaw]

LOL Jared Lorenzen is the man.

[Gonzo]

Hefty Lefty :love:

[AlphaBean]

What can that man do? I heard he's got the strongest arm in the history of the NFL... IS THIS TRUE?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty sure the Jets and Giants have had sellouts for like the last 10 years straight or something. Could be wrong but I remember hearing that somewhere. All their tickets are season tickets with a waiting list and so forth.
Yeah that is what I figured, pretty sure the Redskins sell out a 91,000 seat stadium even though they suck ass.

I mean I am sure there is teams out there that don't sell out but mostly every game I seem to watch the stadium seems to be pretty full.

[BCWWF]

I never said I liked having the game over there, but I said it makes sense.

Say the Giants are one of the teams that lose a home game. Consider the following.

• If the stadium in Germany sells out, then ticket revenue is the same as if they sell out Giants stadium
• The game will still be televised, so the revenue there will still be the same
• If it is a success, the NFL's world audience grows. This is NOT even close to NFL Europe
• Giants fans might be angry, but will they be angry enough to stop watching the Giants play? Will they be angry enough to stop sellout out Giants Stadium? I would say NO to both questions.

From the NFL's perspective, MONEY, this is not a bad decision. Giants fans are not going to stop supporting the team because of it.

As for Chad, that was hilarious today. Telling TJ to get fined and he will pay it, priceless.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah but why take the time/money/effort to try to get more fans in Europe when you could just as easy market to more fans here in the States while using less resources?

You really wanna see your favorite team go play a game in China? I don't, there is no postives that are going to come from this other then they might gain a few more fans who can buy some merchandise. I also don't think it'll be successful because I can't see football being successful in other country other than the United States (and Canada to an extent I guess) It is going to hurt the product on the field I think, flying to China - adjusting to the time differences..Where are they even going to play? A soccer stadium? Are they gonna have good enough facilities to house 2 53 man football teams along with coaches and other personal? I don't know, there is positives from them doign this like you said but they aren't even close to the potenital negatives.

[BCWWF]

There aren't positives to me if the Vikings play a game in China, but there are positives to the NFL if thousands of Chinese people start buying Vikings chothes.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Do you really think that is going to happen though? I don't think it is, plus even if that does happen is it really worth it? I really think a trip to a different country is going to effect the play of the players in a negative way and really hurt the product. Plus like previously stated, fans are definetly going to be pissed to see their favorite team lose a potential home game that they could attend, while that may not make fans quit watching just by itself, small things do begin to add up. Most people consider the NFL one of the best run sports leagues from a front office stand point, so why do something like taking away home game to shake things up? If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[The Outlaw]

What can that man do? I heard he's got the strongest arm in the history of the NFL... IS THIS TRUE?

I wouldn't doubt it, that fatty can launch it...

[RP]

Chad Johnson telling T.J to get fined and he'll pay it, was so awsome.

[RP]

"In their past 25 regular-season games in which their playoff seeding was not clinched, the Colts have won ... 25 straight games. "

Thats pretty incredible. Too bad we cant win in the playoffs.

[Kris P Lettus]

WHO ATE ALL THE PIES?

JARED LORENZEN ATE ALL THE PIES!

LMFAO

[Kris P Lettus]

Kinda on this topic, but I just heard the Notre Dame/Navy game in 2012 will be in Ireland..

O_o

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You know the beautiful part about this Chad Johnson thing? Atlanta is going to double him and put single coverage on TJ in the slot and have little 5-9 Jason Webster on 6-4 Chris Henry. This is assuming Chris Henry plays. Either way TJ is going off this weekend.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

SI.com Player Poll, who is the best receiver in the league

Terrell Owens, Cowboys.....28%
Steve Smith, Panthers.....23%
Marvin Harrison, Colts.....20%
Chad Johnson, Bengals.....13%
Randy Moss, Raiders.....8%
Torry Holt, Rams.....3%
Santana Moss, Redskins.....1%
Hines Ward, Steelers.....1%
Mushin Muhammad, Bears.....1%
Anquan Boldin, Cardinals.....1%

There's no fucking way Torry Holt only deserves 3%. God, he is so slept on it's not even funny.


This poll poses an interesting question and one that can be expanded on greatly: who is the best player at his position in the NFL? If I made a list I believe it'd look something like this...

QB: Peyton Manning
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson
FB: Justin Griffith/Mack Strong can't decide
TE: Antonio Gates
WR: Torry Holt
OC: Olin Kreutz
OG: Steve Hutchinson
OT: Orlando Pace

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Tommie Harris
OLB: Lance Briggs
ILB: Brian Urlacher (although it SHOULD be Zach Thomas)
CB: Champ Bailey
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu

K: Shayne Graham
P: Brad Maynard

[AlphaBean]

Briggs is the only guy on that list I'd take serious issue with... Chicago OLBs are all overrated, which is why Colvin and Holdman got big contracts after playing in Chicago...

I'd also question the Tommy Harris thing, cause I don't even view him as a tackle, he's very end-like. I think a good way to fix that is to list UT and NT, because you can't run for shit on Pat Williams or Vince Wilfork or Jamal Williams... but you can't pass for shit on Tommie Harris, or Richard Seymore or Kevin Williams... U NO WAT I MEEN?

I demand you include more people on your list.

[AlphaBean]

And Kreutz is trash. Pat Williams ate Olin Kreuts' children.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Seymore is the best DT in the NFL since he is able to do everything well. Like AlphaBean listed some dudes are fat as shit run stuffers or quick as hell like Harris, Seymore is sick at both styles

[Kris P Lettus]

What about Strahan??

I mean, he tied LT's all time sack record.. I know we're talking about right now, but that's gotta mean something..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hes strictly a defensive end though

Seymore only plays end in the 3-4 (which is technically still pretty much a DT)

Unless you where just saying that without any relation to my post, then yeah he's pretty good (obviously) but I'd still take a few ends over him.

[AlphaBean]

I bet you would take a few ends, Michael Stima ;)

But yeah Strahan in his prime (when he set the single-season mark, for instance), was the best. But right now, yeah I think we put Peppers and Seymour at DE, pop Tommie Harris and Pat Williams (ok he's not the best, but he's close, and I fuckin' love the dude.)

Then LB... I'm gonna say Shawne "Lights and Syringes Out" Merriman on one side, and... maybe Julian Peterson on the other.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Seymour is not really a DE on a 4 man front though

[AlphaBean]

Shit, he could be. Technique and strength, lah. Kevin Williams was a DE in MN his rookie year... and he tore shit up because he's all about technique.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah hes better suited for the inside with a 4 man front though, he isn't much of a speed rusher off the edge.

I mean he can definetly do it, and does do it a lot but I personally see him more effective when hes playing head up to inside shoulder.

The dude went to the Probowl as a Dtackle one year and D-end another year though, so he's the best defensive lineman in the NFL if you ask me.

[Joey Slugs]

And Kreutz is trash. Pat Williams ate Olin Kreuts' children.

You have zero fucking idea what you are talking about.

[RP]

~ homer i guess ~

I think Freeney is the best DE in the league hands down. Teams gameplan to triple team that guy on Sundays. Freeney is the only defensive end that makes offenses do a bunch formation with there TE and RB. Its happend so many times. Plus he makes Robert Mathis look like a god.

I like your Center choices. I think Jeff Saturday could make the argument.

[Gonzo]

Strahan was a sick cat in his prime. He has declined a little bit, but not much. I think the presence of Umenyiora (sp?) on the other side allows them both to be better. I think they're one of the best DE combo's in the league (read: not the best, one of the best.)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

~ homer i guess ~

I think Freeney is the best DE in the league hands down. Teams gameplan to triple team that guy on Sundays. Freeney is the only defensive end that makes offenses do a bunch formation with there TE and RB. Its happend so many times. Plus he makes Robert Mathis look like a god.

I like your Center choices. I think Jeff Saturday could make the argument.
Yeah Freeney is a beast off the edge but he doesn't go much againest the run game