NFL 2006 Season Thread

[RoXer]

Get your own slogan, Chicago Bears

[Nervous Ferret]

yeah Jets

[Supreme Olajuwon]

BROWNIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Bengals are back in the top 6 now. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Triple A]

Nice @ KC losing. Fucking wish the Pats had lost too though.

NEED THE CHIEFS, BRONCOS, BENGALS, AND JAGUARS to lose every game possible. :mad:

[Savio]

Jags up by ten

[OssMan]

who are the candidates for Def ROY? Kiwanuka has fucked up a lot but he has another sack, INT, and FF today

[Triple A]

Brandon Jacobs is so sick. Got that huge screen pass then got up and lifted up #42 on the Cowboys like he weighed 50 lbs.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

who are the candidates for Def ROY? Kiwanuka has fucked up a lot but he has another sack, INT, and FF today
Ernie Sims, AJ Hawk, DeMarco Ryan

lol @ Gramatica

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

ROFL@#36 I think from the Cowboys doing the ballin jump shot to Jacobs when he ran outta bounds

BALLINN

[McLegend]

That throw by Romo to Witten was perfect.

[ClockShot]

Good Giants/Cowboys game.

Judgement day for the Broncos in about half hour or so.

[OssMan]

Wow I hate Romo

[OssMan]

Gramatic trying to jump but his teamate held him down

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

THE GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGMEN

http://www.bucpower.com/gramatica-gb00h.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

WE'VE GOT BUSH!!1!

Hell of a game..

Reggie Bush with over 150 all pupose yards with 4 TD's..

Deuce with over 130 yards on the ground..

We needed a good game outta both of them today due to Colston still being out and Horn getting hurt again..

Predator with 2 picks..

WOOOOOOOO

DrA where you at?? Coming for you next week, son..

Who Dat??

[DrA]

First round bye on the line next week. =-o

[DrA]

Assuming Seattle finishes with an inferior record.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Saints all black unis where pretty fuckin pimp

Welp, the cable in my dorm my just went out so it looks like I won't be watching anymore football tonight :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Good thing I pay 200 dollars a seemster in technology fees :D :D :D

[Gonzo]

Pretty damn good game today by the Giants/Cowboys. Glad to see improved play out of Eli but the defense was a definite letdown, especially at the end. Couple missed oppurtunities (big one being the missed INT by Gibril Wilson), and the coverage schemes at the end were just baffling. Witten had a huge mismatch with Pierce in coverage, which just makes me frustrated because the defensive playcalling is terrible.

I don't know. I really think the Giants have to win out to have any sort of shot. The division is still possible if a few stars align, but who knows if they can bounce back from such an emotional defeat.

[McLegend]

Anyone know why Marshall Faulk is on instead of Jerome Bettis on NBC?

Just curious

[DrA]

Bettis is out because his dad died

[DrA]

Also, is Marshall Faulk retired or what?

[McLegend]

O I didn't know that. That's sad

and yes Marshal Faulk is retired.

[FearedSanctity]

Win or loss, I will still love Jay Cutler :heart:

[OssMan]

Saints all black unis where pretty fuckin pimp

Welp, the cable in my dorm my just went out so it looks like I won't be watching anymore football tonight :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Good thing I pay 200 dollars a seemster in technology fees :D :D :Ddude SOPCAST.ORG didnt you hear

[FearedSanctity]

Hey, know what I like my quarterbacks to do?





THROW.

[Skippord]

This game is about as exciting as mormon porn

[Supreme Olajuwon]

COME ON SEAGULLS

[McLegend]

Is that really Matt Hassleback's Mom in the Campbells soup commerical, because she's pretty hot?

[ClockShot]

His wife is hotter.

And god damn Jay Cutler. He should have just went down like Madden said, instead of lob the ball in the air.

[FearedSanctity]

And god damn Jay Cutler. He should have just went down like Madden said, instead of lob the ball in the air.

Rookie mistake :'(

[FearedSanctity]

LOL, call of the year right there

[McLegend]

Marshal Faulk isn't retired.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I love this whole QB thing in Denver. It's just hilarious to me.

Man, we gotta get this Plummer guy outta here! He throws way too many picks. He makes too many mental mistakes and bad throws. Sure, we've made the playoffs every year since he got here, but he makes too many stupid throws into tight coverage. Now this Cutler kid, he's gonna go places. He'll win us a lot of games that's for sure, unlike that Plummer chump. And this kid's exciting. He's a gunslinger! Sure, he'll throw a lot of picks but he's a gunslinger! He's like Brett Favre. He's not afrain to throw into tight coverage. He's a real risk taker.

[FearedSanctity]

Well, for a rookie who's never had a meaningful NFL snap before tonight, he's not doing that bad.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's because he's a gunslinger! Jake Plummer made stupid throws. Jay Cutler makes risky throws. They're completely different.

[FearedSanctity]

Yeah I get what you're doing there. Funny. Point is, if they're both playing the same anyways, might as well throw in the rookie who can get better, rather than keep in the vet who's only getting worse.

[Skippord]

Champ :love:

[Kris P Lettus]

Where's LoDownM??

The f'n BROWNS??

LOL

[FearedSanctity]

CUTLER TO MARSHALL :love::love::love:



Hope to be saying that for years to come :heart:

[Skippord]

I want to have Brandon Marshall's children right now

[RP]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HOW BOUT THEM COLTS?

Oh, shut up fag. How bout your virginity.

[OssMan]

DUDE RECTA;;;;;;; [ERTRUDER[ DON'T YOU KNOW!!!!!!

[RP]

60 yard field goal. Are you fucking kidding me. Anyways, Colts arent shit. They arent winning in the playoffs with teams running 200 yards a game on them. Its pretty simple. This season will probably end as badly as the last few.

Watching Vince Young repeatedly break down the defense and run for 1st downs on 3rd down plays was like standing up against a wall and letting someone hit me in the sack repeatedly with a baseball bat. It was just bad.

[Skippord]

:(

[OssMan]

Eff Young

[FearedSanctity]

It's always one or the other with Denver. When they have Defense, they have no Offense. And when they finally get the Offense going, the D disappears.


And omg, Denver has to have to worst group of lateralers ever. Anytime they have to, it starts out well and then after the first few there's always some tard who runs into a group and just tosses the ball up, or fumbles.




:'(

[RP]

No honestly, i officially fear the guy now. Thats the fucker Houston should have drafted if they want to stop us. We have no contain to the outside. He made the Colts look like little kids out there. The scary part is, he's just a rookie and should get even better as the years go by. Thats the guy that will kill Indy's streak of division championships. Vince Effing Young.

[Bazooka]

seahawks 23 - 20 Broncos pretty sweet game, shame on all the defensive injuries. I am happy I get to watch football more, it is great.

[RP]

It's always one or the other with Denver. When they have Defense, they have no Offense. And when they finally get the Offense going, the D disappears.


And omg, Denver has to have to worst group of lateralers ever. Anytime they have to, it starts out well and then after the first few there's always some tard who runs into a group and just tosses the ball up, or fumbles.




:'(

You guys should bench Plummer.

[FearedSanctity]

I agree.

[Skippord]

And omg, Denver has to have to worst group of lateralers ever. Anytime they have to, it starts out well and then after the first few there's always some tard who runs into a group and just tosses the ball up, or fumbles.




:'(
Yeah I actually said that right before the kick

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's what happens when you're a cocky, risk taking, gunslinger. But at least he's a winner, unlike Plummer.

[LoDownM]

Where's LoDownM??

The f'n BROWNS??

LOL

Die in a fire. :'(

[AlphaBean]

FUCK.

I missed every game today.

And today would have been a great day to be a football fan. :(

[RP]

FUCK.

I missed every game today.

And today would have been a great day to be a football fan. :(

Seriously, watching Brad Johnson face off against Rex Grossman was like watching a bad episode of celeberty boxing.

[Skippord]

Rex Grossman is awful

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

For whatever reason I've been a huge Grossman fan, maybe becuase I liked him back at UF or something but I don't even know what to say about him now lol

[Joey Slugs]

You know....

I would love to say "Fuck off" to all of you that are now bombing on Rex.

I should be standing up for our starting QB and saying "a win is a win"

We are Back-to-Back NFC North Champs....










But I can't.... A FUCKING 1.8 RATING? That is fucking pathetic. I am quite happy that we are Division Champs but if we come across a team like Dallas or New Orleans in the playoffs... we might get smoked... no matter how good our defense is.

There seriously was no excuse today for how bad Rex played. Maybe he'll bounce back and run up 300+ and a few touches on the Rams next Monday.

Who knows...

[Triple A]

For whatever reason I've been a huge Grossman fan, maybe becuase I liked him back at UF or something but I don't even know what to say about him now lol
I think you said you liked him because he used to rock black wrist bands or something in college

[Mr. Monday Morning]

No honestly, i officially fear the guy now. Thats the fucker Houston should have drafted if they want to stop us. We have no contain to the outside. He made the Colts look like little kids out there. The scary part is, he's just a rookie and should get even better as the years go by. Thats the guy that will kill Indy's streak of division championships. Vince Effing Young.

Dunno isn't their cap situation still screwed? They're gonna be rebuilding for a while yet, looking kinda promising though.

[RP]

Dunno isn't their cap situation still screwed? They're gonna be rebuilding for a while yet, looking kinda promising though.


What i saw today, made me believe Vince Young wasnt just a fluke at Texas. I kind of wondered if he would be able to do the same thing in the NFL. He did it yesterday, thats for damn sure. He looked unstoppable to be honest. The guy looked like he was running as slow as possible and he still managed to shake and juke every defender the Colts threw at him. It was sickening. Then that fuck kicking that 60 yard FG. My fucking god are you kidding me. This is how our local radio play by play went ( cause i cant stomach Bryant Gumble or anyone else CBS puts on the tv ) " The kick is up................. HE MISSED IT.. HE MISSED IT........................ he made it. " :nono:

[RP]

Devin Hester is rookie of the year btw. I dont see how he isnt. Just about every touchdown he's returned has been under big circumstances.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Colston for me atm, although if he misses much more time he might drop

[Kris P Lettus]

Colston definantly.. He's still ranked in the top 5 recievers in the NFC and that's with missing two and a half games..


And Joey Slugs, he had a 1.3 QB rating.. Stop padding his stats..

:foc:

Brad Johnson only had a 10.3 QB Rating.. Might be like, the worst combined QB Rating for one game of all time..


Drew Brees could get a 11.6 if he farted the ball to his recievers..

[Kris P Lettus]

The Mayne Event is like the awesomest football segment of all time..

Kenny Mayne>*

[Shisen Kopf]

no-one is talking about the newest and greatest receiver in the NFL, Josh McCown?!

[Kris P Lettus]

Your boy Roy Williams is the number one receiver in the NFC..

Too bad he plays on the number 16 team..

[AlphaBean]

Seriously, watching Brad Johnson face off against Rex Grossman was like watching a bad episode of celeberty boxing.

That's one game I'm not sorry I missed. LOL.

Our defense is absurd, yet what the fucking fuck.

1: We can't get a pass rush, so Grossman should have had a field day.

2: Matt Leinart passed for 850 yards against us last week. Madden style. Boldin and Fitz were both top 5 in receiving for the week. Now it was the Chicago defense with the Madden line. See that shit? Every starter on D had a turnover or a sack. It was amazing.

[AlphaBean]

Also, dudes, I have a Furrey XFL card, how awesome am I?

[Flair Wooo]

our first away victory and won it 4-0 wooooooooooooo!! bellamy

[Kris P Lettus]

Beans, I thought you wanted them to lose for the draft pick and so they'll get rid of Brad Johnson..

[AlphaBean]

Beans, I thought you wanted them to lose for the draft pick and so they'll get rid of Brad Johnson..

I'm okay with Tavaris Jackson being the future, to be honest. He has skills. I don't give a fuck, I just want Brad gone.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol Lions spent 3 1st rounders in a row on wideouts and McCown played a lot of reciever yesterday...what the fuck? He also caught a touchdown though (got called back for offensive pass interference)

[Nervous Ferret]

Nah I think it was something about Rex G wearing black socks and black cleats with white unis or something that reeled Stima in.

[Nervous Ferret]

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Hooray photographiv memory

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah thats not the reason though, I mean I thought that shit was pretty cool and everything but that isn't that big of a deal.

I think he just seems like a pretty cool guy, the type of dude I'd wanna hang out with and slam a few beers with or something. I have been a huge fan of his style but now I dunno, he's been playing pretty awful lately.

[RP]

That weird. I wanna slam beers with a Chicago Bears QB. Kyle Orton

http://www.petemcmurray.com/gallery/Kyle_Orton_Drunk!-20051004/none-00010d99a.jpg

Or slam shots..

Or slam ... bottles of Jack Daniels.

[RP]

http://www.gatorcountry.org/wearetheboys/images/eli_drunk.jpg

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHey

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

These guys did go to college, surprised there isn't more pics like those

[RP]

I bet Eli attempted to tap that, but it was was a overthrow.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I would not wanna drink with Eli Manning

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/bigbenroethlisbergeryeah.jpg

Would you wanna drink with BIG BEN?

[RP]

LOL Will Ferrel.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

LOL Will Ferrel.


ROFL, didn't even notice that until I looked the second time. :lol:

[Kris P Lettus]

I bet Eli attempted to tap that, but it was was a overthrow.

Eli stayed in Archie's condo in the square at Ole Miss.. He got to fuck any girl he pleased while there..

For the record..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He still looks scared as shit playing QB for the Giants

[Gonzo]

Eli looks like a little kid sometimes, like his facial expressions and stuff. I think he is developing slowly, he gets very dejected looks sometimes over plays that any QB should shrug off and move on over.

[Gonzo]

I think he played much better than he has been for one, the play calling was slightly better (at times), but he made some real good throws and under pressure a few times.

I don't know if anyone watched the game but on the Shockey TD he sidestepped that defender and the ball was just on point.

[Kris P Lettus]

OK

So my buddy just called me to say that Hollis Thomas (the badass DT we got from Philly) has gotten suspended for 4 games for steriods.. The steriods that he tested positive for came from asthma medicine perscribed by his doctor FOR HIS ASTHMA..

COME ON

Seriously, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..

[Kris P Lettus]

The Saints suffered a big blow to their defense Tuesday when they found out defensive tackle Hollis Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3769), who is having a career year, is being suspended for four games because he violated the league's steroid policy due to asthma medication he takes.
<!--------------------------START PLAYER CARD------------------>
<table class="tableheadFixWidth" align="right" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="200"> <tbody><tr class="stathead"> <td colspan="2" class="whitelink"> Hollis Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3769)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left"> http://espn.go.com/i/nfl/profiles/players/statsid/s3769.jpgDefensive Tackle
New Orleans Saints

Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3769)</td> </tr><tr class="evenrow"> <td align="center"> <table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="190"> <tbody><tr class="stathead" align="center"><td colspan="6" align="center">2006 SEASON STATISTICS</td></tr> <tr style="background: rgb(188, 188, 180) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" align="right"> <td width="17%">Tot</td> <td width="17%">Ast</td> <td width="17%">Solo</td> <td width="17%">FF</td> <td width="17%">Sack</td> <td width="17%">Int</td> </tr> <tr align="right" bgcolor="#999999"> <td>43</td> <td>35</td> <td>8</td> <td>0</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> </tbody></table> <!---------------------INLINE MINI-PLAYER CARD ENDS HERE--------------------> Thomas has been challenging the positive steroid test and had the support of the Saints. Thomas is a 335-pound defensive tackle who has struggled to keep his weight down and doesn't have the body that normally would be linked to steroids.
During his appeal, John Amoss, who is the Saints' team trainer and an assistant professor at the LSU Health Science Center, sent a letter to the league in support of Thomas. Amoss said Thomas has severe asthma problems and requires a high dose of inhaled steroids to breathe. According to the doctor, Thomas needs a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control his asthma.
During his August drug test, the defensive tackle was taking an asthma product called Advair twice a day while also using an inhaler four times a day.
"Advair contains both the steroid fluticasone and the long acting beta agonist galmeterol," wrote Amoss, who thought the possibility of a false positive might have happened.
After taking the information under consideration, the league ruled Thomas was in violation of the policy and he will be lost to the team for the remainder of the regular season.
If New Orleans makes the playoffs, Thomas would be eligible to play. He can be added to the active roster on Jan. 1, 2007, the day after the regular season ends.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah that is pretty dumb but you gotta know what is on the listed. Also who knows if that is even true (I haven't heard any info or anything yet)

[Kris P Lettus]

Seriously..

WTF

:mad:

:foc:

FUCK THE NFL

:rant:

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah that is pretty dumb but you gotta know what is on the listed. Also who knows if that is even true (I haven't heard any info or anything yet)

It's all over the espn ticker.. I got that article from ESPN.com..

I understand that players have to know what is on the list ala Lights Out, but he has a medical condition that has to be treated with a form of steriods.. He needs the medicine to play football.. I mean, wouldn't it be against some human rights act to not allow him to work because of his handicap??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah I thought I re-posted but I guess not, I posted at like the same exact time as you when you posted that article. I think it'll get over turned.

[Kris P Lettus]

He tested positive in August and has been appealing since then..

After taking the information under consideration, the league ruled Thomas was in violation of the policy and he will be lost to the team for the remainder of the regular season.

I think it's a lost cause..

:(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol damn

I dunno, maybe they are just trying to cover their backs or something? Kinda having a hard time justifying this though. I guess what is on the list is on the list no matter what?

[McLegend]

Jeff Garcia was amzing last night. It was a good game to.

[RP]

HOLIS THOMAS IS A ROIDER Thats 4 wins off the books right there. Sorry Saints.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If I was Hollis Thomas, I'd take my asthma meds and then pop in a bunch of roids and make myself a beast. "Oh that? No, that's my asthma medication. Yeah, all of it's from my medication. :shifty: "

[Joey Slugs]

SI.com has "re-drafted" the first round on the 2006 draft. It's a good read and they make some interesting choices. Very interesting to think about the "What if's" here.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/12/04/draft.redo.part1/index.html

[RP]

I'd pick Addai over Marhoney, but whatever.

[Kris P Lettus]

Pretty stupid that we'd pick Colston first and not get Bush considering in real life, that we got both Colston and Bush..

[RP]

Coltson is a fluke.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

JUST LIKE TOM BRADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kris P Lettus]

Coltson is a fluke.

Hate on, hater..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pretty stupid that we'd pick Colston first and not get Bush considering in real life, that we got both Colston and Bush..
...They are re-drafting the first round on how the season has turned out?

[AlphaBean]

OK

So my buddy just called me to say that Hollis Thomas (the badass DT we got from Philly) has gotten suspended for 4 games for steriods.. The steriods that he tested positive for came from asthma medicine perscribed by his doctor FOR HIS ASTHMA..

COME ON

Seriously, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard..

To be fair, people take steroids because they're not good enough to excel in the NFL, so if you can't do it, you can't do it.

If you need steroids to breathe, maybe you shouldn't be doing a job where oxygen and pulmonary function are VERY IMPORTANT.

Take for instance that little dude without legs who played football and was all over the news, and went to the Browns game this week? He loves football, and he's okay at it -- the only problem is, HE HAS NO LEGS.

Can we give him bionic legs? He could run a 1.8 40 with robolegs... but he needs fake legs to play NFL football. So why not?

It's harsh but it's true... if you're not able, you're not able.

PS: Devin Hester? Fuck that shit. We can return kicks. We've had a PR TD against the Pats, and had at least one TD KR called back on penalties...

That article in general was retarded. Preseason, WR was not a need position for the Saints, so taking a stud at #2, while Colston is The Man, he's also on the Saints, I believe Devery Henderson's having a pretty good season too. Saints probably would have picked someone on D I'd imagine?

And Bush to the Raiders*? With QBs on the board? WTF.

[RoXer]

But Hollis Thomas CAN do it. And he's been doing it for 10 years.

[Kris P Lettus]

Exactly..

He has asthma and needs medicine to treat it.. I mean, he weight 340lbs and peolly bencjes over that.. It's not like he's trying to get bigger..

[DrA]

Aren't the steroids used for asthma completely different from the anabolic ones? I'm sure there's more to the story than that.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well not saying I agree with this dude getting suspended but "I mean, he weighs 340 pounds and can bench a lot" is irrevelant, plenty of people like that still take 'roids.

[AlphaBean]

But Hollis Thomas CAN do it. And he's been doing it for 10 years.

On Steroids... and already has a strike against him in the substance abuse program.

[DrA]

I don't know, I took steroids for moderate asthma when I was younger for a while, so I think it's a standard thing to do. However, there are different types of steroids, and usually the ones used for that kind of thing are not the same as the ones that turn you into Scott Steiner. There just has to be more to the story than that.

[AlphaBean]

Of course there is:

"ASTHMA MEDS!" = "COUGH SYRUP!!!!"

A cover-up is a cover-up.

I highly doubt Hollis Thomas is the only player in the NFL with Asthma.

And you don't have to be Brock Lesnar to be on roids. Rafael Palmiero ffs.

[RP]

I personally stuck Hollis Thomas with a roid needle.

[D Mac]

Where's LoDownM??

The f'n BROWNS??

LOL
:foc: :foc: :foc: :foc:

[RP]

I'm pretty sure theirs other affective asthma medicine that does not have steroids in them.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The agent for Saints defensive tackle Hollis Thomas has forwarded to us the text of the letter submitted to the NFL in October 2006 by the Saints' team physician, Dr. John Amoss.

Wrote Dr. Amoss: "I am the team physician of New Orleans Saints and this letter is to document that Hollis Thomas has severe asthma and requires high dose inhaled steroids, a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control [his] asthma. At the time of his drug test in August 2006, Hollis was taking Advair 500/50 twice daily along with singular 10 mg daily and albuterol inhaler four times daily. Hollis continues to be on this same drug regimen to control [his] asthma. Advair contains both the steroid fluticasone and the long acting beta agonist salmeterol. Hollis' urine drug test in August of 2006 was positive for clenbuterol which is a beta agonist. At the time of the test, Hollis was taking two beta agonist to control his asthma (albuterol and salmeterol) and the possibility of a false positive test in this case would appear to be highly plausible."

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't know, I took steroids for moderate asthma when I was younger for a while, so I think it's a standard thing to do. However, there are different types of steroids, and usually the ones used for that kind of thing are not the same as the ones that turn you into Scott Steiner. There just has to be more to the story than that.
I don't know about that, they just find a trace of the steriod in your blood they are going to assume it is a steriod for performance enhancement. Steriods used in medcines etc can contain the same the chemicals as the type of steriods body builders use.

I mean, I've heard stories of people failing drug tests because of poppy seeds or some shit like that, so it is kind of the same idea.

[Kris P Lettus]

They tested the poppy seed bagel/failed drug test thing on Mythbusters and you can fail because of it..

He was on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday and said it was because of the medicine.. He failed it in August, during preseason, and has been appealing it since.. The NFL are doing a "zero tolerence" policy against the banned substances, so they didn't drop the charge.. It's a black and white thing, which, as this case shows, should be modified..

It's really bullshit to lose one of our best defensive players because of this.. Specially, when we are pushing to make it to the playoffs..

:mad:

[AlphaBean]

You should volunteer to play DT.

It can be Rudy meets Invincible meets The Replacements meets Beerman Lewis.

Hilarity will ensue. And when the Saints play the Giants or Packers you can be like "WHO DAT remember when I met you on the set of your commercial?!?!"

After you sack the QB.

[Kris P Lettus]

I am too short..

:(

If I was taller I would've prolly gone on to play college ball..

The NFL is saying it wasn't asthma medicine, but won't say what it was.. I think they are covering their asses because everyone knows they look like dicks..

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol like nobody at the Steelers game right now, looks really weird.

[OssMan]

watching this game on my computer cause i dont have nfl network :cool:

[Kris P Lettus]

lol like nobody at the Steelers game right now, looks really weird.

Well, they are playing the Browns..

[AlphaBean]

I am too short..

:(

If I was taller I would've prolly gone on to play college ball..

The NFL is saying it wasn't asthma medicine, but won't say what it was.. I think they are covering their asses because everyone knows they look like dicks..

Chartrick Darby, 5'9" DT.

[RP]

Cato June Pro Bowl LB, 209 lbs

[AlphaBean]

Robert Mathis, isn't he 240 or something? Bob Sanders, 5'8"

ROFL Elvis Dumerville, people are acting surprised that he's successful... 230 DE, an absolute monster in college, still drops to like the 5th round because he's small?

Are the people in the NFL still so daft to think size is all that matters? Fuck.

Unless you're Marcus McNeill... 6'9" and every inch of it is a monster.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Derek Anderson is the next Tom Brady

I remember in like NCAA Football 2004 probably I played as Oregon State (with Derek Anderson and Steven Jackson) and I won the National Championship in dynasty mode. Video games are the true indicator of talent

[RoXer]

Also, I'm in our senior years in Dynstay so once thats over I'll write up a big summary about it.

[Kris P Lettus]

Derek Anderson is the next Tom Brady

I remember in like NCAA Football 2004 probably I played as Oregon State (with Derek Anderson and Steven Jackson) and I won the National Championship in dynasty mode. Video games are the true indicator of talent

If that was true, The Saints would have been going undefeated and winning the Super Bowl for many years..

:(

[AlphaBean]

On Madden a couple years ago, Boller went out on my Ravens squad so Anderson came in... he fucking dominated. Got more yards, too, because Boller scrambled, so as a pocket passer...

Yeah well, anyway, he became so good that he wanted to start. :(

[RP]

One week after Dallas Clark is shown on a Madden commercial getting fucked up by two players, he fucks his knee up. Coincidence? I dont think so.

[RP]

This is from Bill Simmons colum on ESPN.com yesterday.


"8. Cincinnati
A riveting season that included seven players getting arrested (and counting), the rejuvenation of Ocho Cinco and Carson Palmer, some remarkably weird games (the win over Pittsburgh, the losses to San Diego and Atlanta), goofy fantasy seasons, season-ending injuries and everything else you could imagine. And you know what? I like the way the Bengals are playing right now. So there you go. You can't call them a sleeper because nobody's sleeping on them.

Now that we have that settled -- what about seven Bengals players getting arrested out of 53? That's 13 percent of the team! Imagine if 13 percent of your office or classroom had been arrested in the past few months? Can they get to 10 before the end of the season? You figure with holiday parties coming, that's good for one DUI. And the holidays bring visitors and family members, which usually brings trouble, so that's good for some sort of incident at a party or a club. So we only need one more wild-card arrest -- something harmless like speeding and attempting to evade an officer, or shoplifting a Christmas present of something -- and then we'll be at 10. Now that would be something. Ten Bengals arrested in one year? We'll be telling our grandkids about that one. Keep your fingers crossed."




This is from today.:lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2691969

[UmbrellaCorporation]

^ LOL.


But I have to say, the Colts and the Jets are impressing me. At the beginning, and yes, even midpoint of the year, I was doubting them, but the Colts and the Jets are really stepping up. Least I think so, so kudos to both teams. :y:

[D Mac]

Jets better not beat out the Chiefs for the Wild Card spot. :mad:

[Nervous Ferret]

Jets 2morrowwwwwwww

[Crippla]

Jets and Chiefs will both win tommorrow. Trust me.

[Nervous Ferret]

Fuck, Crippla making a prediction is a kiss of death. Might as well give away the Jets tix now. :-\

[Skippord]

Seriously Crippla have you ever been right ever?

[Crippla]

I'm usually pretty good with NFL predictions.

[D Mac]

You had better be. With KC anyways. :mad:

[Crippla]

HAven't lost a home game in December in 10 years. Definately see them beating Baltimore this week.

[Kris P Lettus]

Ravens 17- Chiefs 10

[Gonzo]

Weinke playing for the Panthers today, don't know if thats a good or bad thing. Should be a good thing for the Giants since he is a backup QB, but since its the Giants that means he will throw for 350, 4 TD's, run for 2 more and break someone's neck.

[RP]

Marvin Harrison is going to smoke Rasheed Mathis today twice for touchdowns. Calling it now. One will be a double move 49 yard td. Mathis will look like a dumbass.

[KingofOldSchool]

Marvin Harrison is going to smoke Rasheed Mathis today twice for touchdowns. Calling it now. One will be a double move 49 yard td. Mathis will look like a dumbass.

Yeah well Jones-Drew and Taylor are making the Colts D look like dumbasses as usual with over 248 rushing yards in the FIRST HALF.

:rofl:

21-10 and the Colts are choking in the regular season, a few weeks before the playoffs even start.

[Kris P Lettus]

Well the Jags RB's are smoking your entire defense so alls fair..

Over 250 rushing yards in the first half..

lol

[Kris P Lettus]

Fuck you, KooS..

[KingofOldSchool]

Fuck you, KooS..

Let's not hate each other, let's just both point and laugh at the Colts Defense.

[Kris P Lettus]

*HIGH FIVE*

[Kris P Lettus]

24-10 at the half..

48 yard FG to close it out..

NICE!!1!

[KingofOldSchool]

I hope Peyton enjoys the cold up in New England in January.

[RP]

Peyton is about to destroy Jacksonville in the second half.

[KingofOldSchool]

Peyton is about to destroy Jacksonville in the second half.

He can't do shit when his defense is playing like shit and they are already down 14.

[Crippla]

Pats down 6-0 :n:

[Crippla]

GOOD FUCKING GOD! The Patriots suck right now.

[KingofOldSchool]

37-10

How about that Peyton shredding of Jacksonville, RP?

[Crippla]

That sucks though, I bet on Indy. :(

[Kris P Lettus]

CC, you hella jinx teams by picking them.. I don't think I've ever known someone, who has some knowledge of football, be as bad at predicting as you..

Tell me you picked the Cowboys tonight..

[Skippord]

Wow Crippla made a bad call what a su-prise

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Patriots playing like dookie...too bad that double pass was illegal :(

[Crippla]

CC, you hella jinx teams by picking them.. I don't think I've ever known someone, who has some knowledge of football, be as bad at predicting as you..

Tell me you picked the Cowboys tonight..
I do have knowledge of football you asshole and I actually picked the Saints for somewhat of an upset tbh.

[Savio]

Holy shit 44-17!.....gotta keep studying though :(

[Kris P Lettus]

I do have knowledge of football you asshole and I actually picked the Saints for somewhat of an upset tbh.

I said you had football knowledge, you fucking waterhead..

[Crippla]

Edit- Sorry, wrong thread.

[Savio]

fuck it study later

[Supreme Olajuwon]

k since the Bengals (wooooooo) and Colts (LOL) games are over, can we begin discussing the Game of the Year and how incredibly amazing and fantastic it will be?

[LoDownM]

Fucking CC. I hope a tree branch fucking falls on you :mad:

[Crippla]

It's not my FAULT! It's not like I jinx every team I bet on, is it?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

CanandianCrippla is NOT a nugget

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED I CANNOT VIEW YOUR POST CUZ I HAVE U IGNORED

[Crippla]

lol, I get the point, don't have to post it every thread.

[Skippord]

Go Broncos! :'(

[Crippla]

TOUCHDOWN CHARGERS

[FearedSanctity]

lol, Denver's pretty terrible all around now :'(

We'd actually be better off just kneeling it on every kickoff, that way we don't fumble and we'll atleast get to the 20

[ClockShot]

Man. I wish I took the day off to see all these upsets today. Jags destroyed the colts, fins beat the pats, and Vince Young pulls off another miracle. My Broncos however, playoff spot ain't looking so good. :nono:

[D Mac]

"Well maybe next year"

The official Chiefs motto. :(

[FearedSanctity]

Nah, us Bronco fans have been saying that since '99 :'(

[KingofOldSchool]

k since the Bengals (wooooooo) and Colts (LOL) games are over, can we begin discussing the Game of the Year and how incredibly amazing and fantastic it will be?

Judging by today, Rudi Johnson's gonna have a 400 yard rushing game next week.

54 - 20 Bengals.

[KingofOldSchool]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRE

[Triple A]

This fucking Jets game is making me so furious. Jets have basically dominated besides three shitty plays. Huge 55 yard TD run by McGahee, 77 yard TD pass to Evans, and an INT returned for a TD. Now fucking Pennington just fumbled inside their own 20. Nice.

[Triple A]

TD BILLS! I hate life

[Crippla]

Pats played like shit today...not even gonna talk about it. Fucking shutout.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Every time I see Darrent Williams he's getting torched by someone

[KingofOldSchool]

Frank Gore is a beast.

Too bad the rest of the team is shit.

[DrA]

I can already see Tennessee dominating the NFL preseason predictions next year

[Mr. Monday Morning]

In a couple years Smith + Gore + Davis will be something special. Hell, even Arnaz Battle has been improving this year. The D needs tweaking and Bryant isn't good enough to be a true #1 WR but the foundations are there.

[DrA]

LaDainian Tomlinson just broke the prestigious one year old touchdown record.

[McLegend]

doing it in 13 games is pretty impressive though.

[D Mac]

Yeah I guess the Bolts are clinching the west. :mad:

[OssMan]

lemme guess tomlinson scored on a 4 yard TD run...a 2 yard TD run...and a 6 yard TD run!!

[OssMan]

lol 1 yard run, 6 yard run, 7 yard run close enough

[Nervous Ferret]

Well, that sucked

[D Mac]

Yep. Jets and Chiefs seem like mirror images right now. :mad:

[OssMan]

really surprised Giants won today especially 27-13. I also thought Chris Weinke was going to tear it up like backup QBs usually do, and he kind of did cause he threw for like 450 yards but he also threw 60 passes.

[LoDownM]

Yep. Jets and Chiefs seem like mirror images right now. :mad:

Fucking Ravens :(

LJ is the man tho.

[Triple A]

Romero Romo

[RoXer]

I JUST SAID THAT TO MY ROOMATE

[McLegend]

Al Michaels really doesn't like pyro.

[Triple A]

Saints vs. Chargers. Crazy Super Bowl

[RoXer]

Whom may that be??


:(

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Saints vs. Chargers. Crazy Super Bowl
With an even crazier halftime show...

http://bajolalinea.duplexmarketing.com/uploaded_images/Prince-774250.jpg

oh yeah

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why does Santana Moss suck now?

[Kris P Lettus]

All I am going to say:

WHO DAT??

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Wellllllll...let's hypothesise.

Bucs are horrible. Really, really horrible right now. At the rate they're going, they'll be lucky to make .500

Carolina is 0-2, have lost a key member of their offensive line, and it's not clear when their best player will be back, nor even if/when he'll be 100% due to the nature of his injury.

Atlanta are off to a good start but they have a tendancy to fall off as the season wears on, Dunn especially. If they can't run, Vick has to throw. If Vick has to throw, they're in trouble. Their D might be enough to cover for it, but I'd be cautious right now.

Saints remaining schedule is like this:

Atlanta
@ Carolina
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia
Baltimore
@ Tampa Bay
@ Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
@ Atlanta
San Francisco
@ Dallas
Washington
@ NY Giants
Carolina

I've bolded the games I think they can potentially win. Obviously a lot will change between now and then. But at this point, even though their D is not especially good, they seem to be gelling as a shootout team, which suits most of their players on offence really.

If they win those games they're 9-7. Normally I'd say 9-7 won't get it done, but nobody in the West aside from Seattle will win 9, the teams in the East will beat each other so much 9-7 will probably win that division, and it remains to be seen how good Minnesota will be.

So they could sneak it.

Maybe.

But probably not :$

Hey, how bout that

[Triple A]

That is absolutely chilling.

[Crimson]

Well, they're not sneaking in...they just kicked the door in.

[Kris P Lettus]

Kick in the door,
Wave in the FOUR FOUR,

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/da4b4b6f-6602-4831-9034-c0be230af165.jpg

All you heard was Karney don't score on us no more...


Mike F'N Karney

That was prolly the best Saints game I have ever watched.. Minus the two big plays we gave up, it was all around perfect.. Special teams looked good.. The onsides kick was AWESOME.. Karney getting his first three TD's.. Bush looked good, as did Deuce.. Glad Colston was back, and with him at number two, and Devery Henderson at number three, we barely missed Hollywood Joe Horn.. I loved the final drive.. I mean, we ran it all the way down to the Cowboys 4 yard line and then knelt on it with like 3 minutes left.. Showed respect for the Tuna, while also showing him, we could scored 50 on them, if we wanted to..

HOMOMENTUM

lol My buddy made some ribletts that he effectionantly called "Broke Back Romo Cowboy Homo Rib Kebabs"..

Joey Slugs, I am sorry to inform you, but we are the best team in the NFC.. I really hope we play yall in the playoffs, just to prove it to the world..

Finally..

DREW BREES IS A WINNER

Who Dat??

:love:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Reggie Bush is gross...gaaaaaaaaaross

[RP]

I'm pretty sure Drew Brees won in San Diego.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/5d92f87b-bb15-4bca-8d45-4102ed521a9d.jpg

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/daf62e77-5adf-48c4-af74-8a5a41e72336.jpg

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/b8cf5763-7b26-4755-9788-dcc4095c5fd8.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

DrA, where you at??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Anyone else think its funny that the Texans missed out on a lot of good offense talet in the first round, only to have the defensive player they drafted in the 2nd round end up being the candiate for Defensive Rookie of the Year?

[KingofOldSchool]

I haven't seen RP post in here since his ill-fated "OMG PEYTON IS GONNA SMOKE THE JAGUARS IN THE SECOND HALF" comment."

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think the draft class will be known as "The year of the running back"

Bush, Jones-Drew, Maroney, Abdi, Williams

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I haven't seen RP post in here since his ill-fated "OMG PEYTON IS GONNA SMOKE THE JAGUARS IN THE SECOND HALF" comment."
probably wanna take a peek about 4 posts up then

[Crippla]

I'm pretty sure Drew Brees won in San Diego.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the draft class will be known as "The year of the running back"

Bush, Jones-Drew, Maroney, Abdi, Williams
and Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood, and probably LenDale White

and Mike Bell didn't even get drafted

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah damn forgot those other dudes

Tons of RBs

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm pretty sure Drew Brees won in San Diego.

Yes..

Backs up my statement that "Drew Brees is a winner"..

He won the high school state championship in Texas.. Won bowl games at Purdue..

He will win a Super Bowl in NOLA..

Who Dat??

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He also earned a 4.0 GPA in the Spring Semester of 2000!!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rex Grossman sucks

[LoDownM]

Shit, we play the Chargers next week...So much for KC's playoff hopes :'(

[DaveWadding]

SAINT LOUIS RAMS FOOTBALL, everybody!

:'( :'( :'(

[DrA]

I will wear a New Orleans avatar if you promise never to say "WHO DAT??" ever again.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Drew Brees was voted Prom king his senior year..

Drew Brees once funnelled 4 beers at once..

Who Dat??

[Kris P Lettus]

I will wear a New Orleans avatar if you promise never to say "WHO DAT??" ever again.

You are supposed to use one anyway, due to you losing a bet..

Who Dat??

[DrA]

Alright, but it will take effort ON MY PART OUT OF MY OWN TIME to find AND RESIZE an avatar TO WEAR for my favorite team losing to your favorite team. I feel like I have in Zimbabwe or Chad or Canada or something.

[Joey Slugs]

Is there any doubt that Devin "Windy City Flyer" Hester is going to be ROY?

[RP]

I haven't seen RP post in here since his ill-fated "OMG PEYTON IS GONNA SMOKE THE JAGUARS IN THE SECOND HALF" comment."


Grow some balls and rep a team in here you fucking faggot. All you do is talk about how bad the Colts are. I dont even know who you root for. I do know your a dick sucking faggot and you sound like you were once teabagged by Peyton Manning in high school or something. Shut your faggoty mouth . . . Faggot.

[RP]

Is there any doubt that Devin "Windy City Flyer" Hester is going to be ROY?

I've been saying it since the Arizona game tbh.

[Joey Slugs]

I've been saying it since the Arizona game tbh.

I know... but....

#23 Devin Hester

http://www.chicagobears.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/MKKPINLIMMFB/hester_2006.jpg (http://www.chicagobears.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=15449)

Watch out for this kid.

And that was in the Pre-Season thread. (page 24 to be exact.)

[AlphaBean]

Oh wow, let's all bow before the Bears fan who thought a Bears player was going to do well.

Let's also all pray to God we are as smart at football as Krispy, because he predicted the Saints were going to be awesome this year.

OH WAIT, HE PREDICTS IT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT'S HIS HOME TEAM.

You only predict mediocrity or below if you're a Vikings, Lions, Cardinals or Rams fan. Oh wait, there's a Browns fan here, right?

[Joey Slugs]

Oh wow, let's all bow before the Bears fan who thought a Bears player was going to do well.

Let's also all pray to God we are as smart at football as Krispy, because he predicted the Saints were going to be awesome this year.

OH WAIT, HE PREDICTS IT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT'S HIS HOME TEAM.

You only predict mediocrity or below if you're a Vikings, Lions, Cardinals or Rams fan. Oh wait, there's a Browns fan here, right?

Oh fuck off dude... when I made that comment... there was no reason to think that Hester was even going to anywhere near the starting lineup.

[DaveWadding]

You only predict mediocrity or below if you're a [...] Rams fan.

Nah...only if you're a SMART Rams fan. SammyG, Savior, Splaya all like to talk up 10-6, 11-5 but I always peg them as 7-9 at best. But still, shut up. :love:

Stupid question for Slugs: What does GSH on the Bears uni and merch (hats etc.) mean?

[RP]

Nah...only if you're a SMART Rams fan. SammyG, Savior, Splaya all like to talk up 10-6, 11-5 but I always peg them as 7-9 at best. But still, shut up. :love:

Stupid question for Slugs: What does GSH on the Bears uni and merch (hats etc.) mean?


GSH is the steroid they're using.

[Joey Slugs]

Stupid question for Slugs: What does GSH on the Bears uni and merch (hats etc.) mean?

"Papa Bear" George S. Halas

Bears' first owner and coach.

[RP]

Colts should wear GSH on there uniforms.

[Joey Slugs]

Why?

[Joey Slugs]

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Doesn't include the two TDs from tonight.

[AlphaBean]

Oh fuck off dude... when I made that comment... there was no reason to think that Hester was even going to anywhere near the starting lineup.

Other than him being a 2nd round pick who was signed JUST TO RETURN KICKS? You don't sign someone that high to fight for the position. The Vikings signed a WR in the 6th round for that a few years ago. I think the Cowboys got Skyler green in the 3rd or 4th.

You KNOW he's going to return kicks, and he certainly ain't starting at WR or CB.

But you know what reason there was to think Hester was going to do well?

BECAUSE YOU ARE A BEARS FAN. YOU THINK EVERYONE IS GOING TO DO WELL.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So would Hester win defensive or offensive rookie of the year? I'm not sure how that works.

[Joey Slugs]

So would Hester win defensive or offensive rookie of the year? I'm not sure how that works.

Offensive.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't really know, maybe defensive since he is a defensive back

[Joey Slugs]

I don't really know, maybe defensive since he is a defensive back

Offensive.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Now, you might have assumed that the first seven players getting arrested would've made Marvin Lewis blush a little bit, but no. However, eight players getting arrested? Well, Marvin Lewis says he's just embarrassed.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why is he considered for offensive? He hasn't touched the ball on offense yet, or even taken a play on offense. He is a defensive player

If he ONLY returned kicks and punts then maybe, but I've seen him playing a lot more defensive back lately, which makes him a defensive player, which inturn makes him a canidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

[RP]

Why is he considered for offensive? He hasn't touched the ball on offense yet, or even taken a play on offense. He is a defensive player

If he ONLY returned kicks and punts then maybe, but I've seen him playing a lot more defensive back lately, which makes him a defensive player, which inturn makes him a canidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year.


Actually, i think theirs a special teams player of the year too, but i've said it already in the NFL MVP thread. I think if Hester returns one more kick or punt or anything, he's MVP.

I'd also give consideration for ROTY to Maurice Drew, but considering he plays the Colts twice a year is equivlant to Florida scheduling Western Michigan ( or someone ) in the 10th game of the season. So no.