MMA Thread

[Rob]

Gotta remember that Herring disrespected him at the beginning of the fight...

Nonsense. Even at the press conference, Brock was being a dick. If he wants a heel run then good for him. It will work. People want to like him though and he is doing zero to help that.

[Kris P Lettus]

GSP "postpones" Penn fight..

It almost seemed BJ Penn had his eyes not only on the welter weight and light weight titles, but on Joe Silva's job as well. But before Penn fills in the rest of the card for the UFC's Dec. 27 event he might want to start looking for a new main event.

Originally reported by RDS.ca, Georges said this of his schedule:

"Many state that my next opponent should be BJ Penn. Nothing has obviously been signed yet, but he is my No. 1 challenger. I believe he deserves a chance to challenge me for my title, but we’ll see what happens on that matter in the next few weeks…

"On my end, however, I don’t know if I’ll be stepping back into the Octagon before 2009. I’ve fought four times in the last 12 months. I therefore need some rest. I like the life I lead, but I sometimes need to relax. It’s not the fight as such that’s exhausting; it’s all the preparation that comes with it.

I’ve made so many sacrifices to prepare myself. During training camps, I practically do not live anymore. It’s therefore on a psychological level that I need to recharge."

The rematch has been talked about ad nauseam since their first fight in 2006 and gets new life whenever GSP or Penn handily beats an opponent. Serious speculation on the super fight began again before GSP's fight with Jon Fitch when Penn announced he was fighting GSP on Dec. 27.

While GSP has stated that he'll gladly defend his title against anyone who deserves a shot he clearly doesn't want BJ Penn calling all the shots in regard to their rematch.
<hr>Fine by me.. Sure I want to see this fight just as bad as anyone else but GSP def deserves to take time off.. Hopefully well see this fight next spring..

Prolly see Penn vs KenFlo before that..

[RP]

Ken Florian needs his shot cause he's a beast. Everyone talks like Florian was running, but that wasnt the case. He had a brilliant fight plan. Its not like the guy hasnt finished other people out. Huerta isnt the type you wanna just stand in fron of and trade blows. Huerta got out worked. Florian deserves the title shot, not some match with Edgar or Sherk.

But that said, i really wanna see Penn vs GSP. But GSP is right. He needs some time to rest. He's fought a ton of fights this year and now they want him to step in with BJ Friggin Penn. Comon. Let the guy rest til Febuary or March. If Penn deserves to get into the ring with GSP, he'll beat Florian.

But i'm rooting for Florian. I've been on about this guy for a while now. He's the real deal. Love his fighting.

[Kris P Lettus]

I love me some KenFlo too but if he wins, it would mad lessen the fight between GSP and Penn later on..

[Kris P Lettus]

Fedor Emelianenko greeted fans Tuesday at the new Affliction store in Los Angeles, California. Raw Vegas was on hand to interview the WAMMA heavyweight champion.Highlights:


Said he's interested in fighting Randy Couture to keep competing in the highest level and to reward fans who have supported the sport (http://www.mmafighting.com/news/2008/08/13/fedor-emelianenko-interested-couture-lesnar#).



Said he has never said anything to insult UFC President Dana White. It's White's problems and he can go on living with whatever issues he has.



Said he likes Brock Lesnar very much. Although Fedor hasn't seen too much of Lesnar's fights, Fedor sees that Lesnar is very strong physically and is someone with a bright future and a lot potential. Lesnar is a fight Fedor would be interested in and Lesnar would definitely be a worthy opponent.



Doesn't think about anything before a fight. Frees himself of any emotion and thoughts that would complicate things. Paces back and forth to keep the blood flowing and not to get stagnant.



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[Kris P Lettus]

That's some bullshit they added in there about Dana though..

He is a fighter..

[Kris P Lettus]

Babalu Will Fight for Strikeforce at Playboy Mansion, Not for Affliction vs. Tito Ortiz

Posted Aug 13th 2008 5:56PM by Michael David Smith (http://mma.fanhouse.com/bloggers/michael-david-smith/) (author feed (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/michael-david-smith/rss.xml))
Filed under: Affliction (http://mma.fanhouse.com/category/affliction/)

Although a Tito Ortiz vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral match (http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/07/29/tito-ortiz-signs-with-affliction-will-fight-renato-babalu-sob/) has been widely expected at the October 11 Affliction: Day of Reckoning event, it clearly isn't happening. Ortiz still hasn't signed his long-awaited Affliction contract, and now Babalu has agreed to fight for Strikeforce.

Strikeforce announced today that Babalu will challenge its light heavyweight champ, Bobby Southworth, at the Playboy Mansion on Saturday, September 20, and Strikeforce VP Mike Afromowitz confirmed to me via e-mail that Babalu will not fight on the October 11 Affliction card.

Affliction's October 11 card has some solid fights on it, but it's almost certain to be a money loser, and the inability to close the deal on the Babalu vs. Ortiz fight is a disappointment. Strikeforce doesn't spend the kind of money on star power that Affliction does, but Strikeforce clearly has a better understanding of how to run an MMA business than Affliction.

:(

[Rob]

Tito Ortiz hasn't signed with them yet so it wasn't gonna happen in October.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, that's what the article said..

[Reavant]

i weighed in, was about to get taped up to warm up and the mother fucker team an cornermen came up to me and my coaches saying that he wasnt going to show... i fucking sold 37 tickets to my friends... i was soooooo pissed

[Reavant]

so i might fight in september but i dunno cuz ill be back in school

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn, bro..

Why do motherfuckers keep ducking you??

[Innovator]

Who would want to fight Shrek?

Don't worry Reav, think of it as more time to work on aspects of your game

[Reavant]

im so disappointed right now :-\

[Rob]

Should have done a wrestling style open challenge pal.

[Reavant]

my drunk friends said theyd step in

[RP]

I hope KJ Noons gets stripped of the belt because he's a punk bitch

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, he is quite the bitch..

ELITEXC ANGLING FOR NOONS VS DIAZ 2 ON CBS

It has been nine months since K.J. Noons surprised many in the mixed martial arts world, winning the EliteXC 160-pound divisional title with a TKO stoppage of Ultimate Fighting Championship veteran Nick Diaz following the first round of their championship bout.

Noons followed up his title-winning performance with an impressive first round TKO finish of another UFC veteran in Yves Edwards.

Over that same span, Diaz has strung together a three-fight victorious streak, stopping Katsuya Inoue, Muhsin Corbbrey, and Thomas Denny, all by TKO. Now his camp is clambering for a rematch.

“His win over Thomas Denny was a crucial test for him. He needed to prove he could make weight and pass California's stringent anti-marijuana drug policy. Diaz easily made weight and passed the drug test,” said a recent post on GracieFighter.com, a site operated by Diaz’ trainer Cesar Gracie. “His recent wins have convinced EliteXC that his next fight should be a rematch with K.J. Noons at the Oct. 4 CBS show. However, it is still unclear if K.J.'s camp will take the fight.”

Apparently there isn’t that much of a cloud over Noons’ camp after all. According to EliteXC vice president Jared Shaw, the promotion has tried to make the fight happen and wants it to happen as part of the Oct. 4 event, but to no avail.

“Nick Diaz is the No. 1 contender. K.J. Noons should step up and be the champion that we think he is and take this fight. Nick Diaz will take this fight any place, anywhere,” Shaw told MMAWeekly.com. “(Noons’ management) won’t even return our calls.

“I don’t understand it. This fight on CBS is maximum exposure and the opportunity for maximum sponsorship dollars, way more than he could make on Showtime. At this point, I question his management.”

Shaw was quick to point out, however, that they support Noons as their champion. “We believe in K.J. as our champion. For some reason (his camp) is not coming straight out and saying no, but they are making it very difficult to make it happen.

“His manager doesn’t want us talking to him directly. Who knows what K.J. even knows about the situation, but his management is holding us hostage.”

With time winding down to be able to promote such a marquee fight properly for Oct. 4, Shaw seemed to be running out of hope that the bout would get done in time for the promotion’s third edition of CBS-EliteXC Saturday Night Fights. He did say, however, that EliteXC officials are ready to make the fight happen if Noons and his camp would agree to it.

“Hopefully K.J. wants the fight and hopefully he will instruct his management to take the fight,” commented Shaw. “K.J. signed a contract. All we want is for him to honor that contract, fight on Oct. 4 on CBS, and prove that he’s the champion we think he is. Right now, he’s not representing us as the EliteXC champion.”

[Rob]

He has no business making up his own rankings to decide who does and doesn't deserve title shots the little fucker. If he remembers right, he was lucky to even get a shot in the first place. Fucking little cunt.

UFC related - Cheick Kongo is avoiding fighting Brock Lesnar at all costs and GSP vs. Penn II looks like its on for January 31.

[Vastardikai]

^

Yeah, I've been losing respect for Noons as of late. Then again, he works for WWEliteXC. A little Sports-Entertainment in MMA isn't bad, but an MMA promotion BUILT around Sports Entertainment...

Kongo = smart. He would get decimated.

[Kris P Lettus]

I def see why Kongo wants to stay away from him.. He's a good striker but has little to no ground game.. Lesnar would take him down at will and GnP..

He has a "punchers chance" but really don't see him hurting Lesnar on their feet..

WOOOO GSP vs Penn though.. People on other sites are bitching cause Penn hasn't "earned" the title shot at welterweight..

LOL

[Rob]

Kongo isn't smart. He wants a title shot yet wants to pick his own opponents.

Penn not deserving a welterweight shot? Bollocks. You always should book the biggest title fight possible. This is the biggest fight out there at 170lbs.

[Kris P Lettus]

This is a response to me from a guy that was saying he needed to win some fights before getting a title shot..

Yes, I am saying he needs to fight, and win at welterweight before he gets a title shot. I mean, come on, it's been over 4 years since he won a fight at 170, and since then, has had 2 fights, and 2 losses.

That does not constitute a title shot in my opinion.

His last fight at 170, was a title shot, directly after his loss to GSP, and he lost that too.

Why is he being given so many undeserved chances at the belt?

Sure, he is in a league of his own at 155, but in case you are unaware, that is not welterweight, that is a different weightclass altogether (who'd have thought?)

[Rob]

Well he got his first title shot at 170lbs without beating anyone in the division and he won the title. Randy Couture lost 2 straight fights at 205lb after going to that division after losing at 265lbs and he won the heavyweight title.

It's a load of bollocks anyway. If Lennox Lewis announced he was coming back to boxing today, he wouldn't be in line for a title fight on this logic.

[RP]

155 is a stacked division. I dont know if that guy you're talking to is aware of that. Huerta, Guida, Florian, Penn, Stevenson, Sherk, Franca, Edgar, Griffin. Thats a stacked division. It might be better then Welterweight.

[RP]

I'm calling this shit.

IMO, these matches from now to the end of the year will be the best matches

Karo Parisyan vs Yoshiyuki Yoshida
Spencer Fisher vs Melvin Guillard

[Rob]

I can't get excited over Parisyan or Guillard.

[Kris P Lettus]

Guillard is the f'n man..

:foc:

[Rob]

How is he anything other than a douchebag little cunt?

Rich Clementi will forever be a legend in my eyes for humbling this little fucker.

[Reavant]

Kongo isn't smart. He wants a title shot yet wants to pick his own opponents.

Penn not deserving a welterweight shot? Bollocks. You always should book the biggest title fight possible. This is the biggest fight out there at 170lbs.

I wouldnt say hes as much picking his opponents as hes just avoiding lesnar. Which is smart if he wants to keep moving up the ladder at all.

[Rob]

If he got a title shot, they'd have him fight Lesnar. And he can't talk about title shots until he beats guys like Lesnar anyway.

[McLegend]

Rumor is Ken Shamrock vs Kimbo Slice on the eliteXc show on 10/4 or some date close to that.

[Impact!]

One can only hope for a double knockout then

[Reavant]

If he got a title shot, they'd have him fight Lesnar. And he can't talk about title shots until he beats guys like Lesnar anyway.
i agree... but he needs to keep winning to keep himself relavant and a fight now with lesnar might kill his career

[Kris P Lettus]

Affliction 2 card

Andrei Arlovski Vs. Josh Barnett
Vladimir Matyushenko Vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Ben Rothwell Vs. Pedro Rizzo
Jason High Vs. Mike Pyle
Paul Buentello Vs. Roy Nelson
Antonio Duarte Vs. Albert Rios
Chris Horodecki Vs. Dan Lauzon
Matt Lindland Vs. Trevor Prangley
Jay White Vs. Chase Gormley

They are gonna lose alot of money, methinks..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also,

Lesnar lined up as Couture’s welcome back to the UFC

When Randy Couture decided to leave the UFC under a storm of controversy, he stated that only one fight made sense to close out his glittering career, a fight with the Russian star, Fedor Emelianenko. It would appear however that a new target has appeared on his radar and an announcement could be made as early as UFC 88 weekend.

That target seems to be former pro-wrestler, Brock Lesnar, who is fresh off an impressive display against Heath Herring at UFC 87. With Nogueira tied up with a clash against Mir in December and other UFC heavyweights not possessing the star power or interest to tempt Couture back to action, the UFC have turned to Lesnar to put together a fight that could smash every past event record.

Let’s put this into perspective. Lesnar’s PPV’s draw massive viewing figures even in his early mma career, drawing the pro-wrestling fans interested in seeing a former favourite compete. On top of that, the die hard mma fans would be desperate to see Couture back in action after over a year away and all of this would enable them to pay Couture the kind of money he seems to be seeking. In Portland Oregon, they also have the perfect venue, a 20,000+ arena, The Rose Garden, which could bare witness to one of the biggest fights in UFC history.

As we exclusively brought to you yesterday, Randy Couture is in talks with the UFC about a possible return to action, seeing out his four fight contract he signed when he came out of retirement to capture the heavyweight title. He has also begun training back at Xtreme Couture in Las Vegas in preparation for an upcoming fight rumoured to be in Portland Oregon at UFC 91.

By Michael Pepper

Rumors but interesting none the less..

[Rob]

Michael Pepper is such a fucking douchebag. He might as well post all the fucking rumours he reads on message boards and put them on the front page of this site that those fucking idiot "wrestling reporters" do.

Oh yeah, Rampage has a new fight camp now. Wolfslair in England. Surprised me. Thoughts guys?

[Kris P Lettus]

England??

Why is he leaving Big Bear??

[Reavant]

Hes batshit crazy?

[Stickman]

Some sort of wiring has been crossed in Rampage's brain man. I hope he gets it fixed.

[Rob]

Hes batshit crazy?

How's that?

[Kris P Lettus]

Supposed KJ Noons letter about the Diaz situation..

by Luke Thomas on Aug 28, 2008 3:37 PM EDT in News


I have received an email from what appears to be KJ Noons himself. In this letter, Noons tells his side of the story regarding why he won't appear on the October 4th CBS show. In short, he accusses Pro Elite management of strong arm tactics, favoratism, negligence and incompetence. Here are his words in their entirety.




Noons vs Diaz or Noons vs EliteXC?

It is not about being scared to fight Diaz, who I previously defeated, it is about the fight I am currently in with Elite XC regarding my career.

I would first like to address all the false allegations and insults from Jared Shaw, aka $kala, VP of Elite XC. You will see why I am so disgusted of how Elite XC treated me and how it applies to this proposed fight and my career.

$kala says:

Honor my contract. Elite XC wants to talk about honoring the contract. How about when Elite XC honored the contract and my pay to fight Edson Berto went down after I lost my first fight. That was not part of my contract. Or how about the contract Gary Shaw breached by not promoting my boxing career? Gary Shaw only gave me one out of four of the agreed upon fights. I have not boxed for over a year. When I signed with Elite XC, I was promised they would promote both my boxing and MMA careers. I could have signed with another MMA only company, but I wanted to box too.

Elite XC does me a favor after I lose, by putting me on the first ShoXC against Edson Berto? Berto’s father is good friends with Jared’s father, Gary Shaw who wants Berto’s brother on a boxing contract. Berto was the next guy Elite XC wanted to build. But I win that fight and now I am 1-1. Elite XC gives me an opportunity to fight Diaz. Elite XC puts me against Diaz because Elite XC’s roster was so light and there was nobody else to fight him.

Elite XC creates a new weight class for Diaz because he beat Gomi. Giving Diaz a belt and creating a weight division (160) he can make, will make your belt legit. Sorry to ruin Elite XC’s plans and beat him.

Elite XC never promoted or took care of me as their champion.

Examples:

In the Elite XC’s DVD where Diaz and I fought there are two (2) baseball cards of Diaz and Kimbo. Hello! I won the fight and Elite XC’s promoting Diaz after I beat him? Or how about the day Elite XC flew Diaz in to do a signing on the DVD where he lost. Wow, that must have been uncomfortable Nick? Signing a DVD, and it is a fight that you lost. Why wasn’t I flown in for the signing?

Elite XC has never promoted me on either of their websites, EliteXC or Pro-Elite.

Elite XC offered me a fight on the first CBS show, but only if I signed a new long-term contract. Instead of promoting their best fighters on CBS, you have to be on a long term contract for them to promote you. That was not our deal.






Consider when Elite XC gives a couple thousand tickets away at their CBS show in Stockton.

Elite XC gives me a hard time about comping me one extra ticket for my cousin that helped me train for my fight. I only get four tickets per show. I am the main event in Honolulu, my home town! I did not ask for any tickets for my family and friends and they gave me a hard time about one extra ticket!

Or how about when Elite XC brought Diaz into the ring after my last victory in Hawaii to disrespect me and my family.

Chuck Champion (President Elite XC) threatens me, my family and my manager with lawsuits and how he’s going to sue me. HAHA. Pretty hard to sue a guy who does not make jack with your company. I’m glad $kala disclosed how much I make, which breached the confidentiality clause of the contract. I will break down the real numbers for you. I am the defending world champ, I have been the main event for Elite XC three out of four times on Showtime. In almost two years I have made approximately $83,000?

After paying my trainers and managers fee, I have $50,000 thousand. After taxes, probably 30 grand. Divide that by two years for $15,000 thousand a year. Divide by 52 weeks that amounts to approximately $300 a week. I do not know anybody that can survive on that amount of money. My buddies make more money than that in a couple days being a bus boy or bar back. And yes you can argue I should fight more. Elite XC doesn’t give me fights or promote me, they ice me. Gary Shaw Productions only gave me one of the agreed upon four fights per the boxing contract.

And I do not want to ramble on about all the little small stuff that I can keep going on about. But the straw that broke the camel’s back is they want me to fight Diaz for the second time. Diaz is not the number one contender and they are paying Diaz three times more money than me. Diaz complained after the Stockton fight, he was not paid enough. How do you think that made me feel? Yes you can argue that Diaz gets more for the draw, therefore I do not deserve as much compensation. If that is the case, it is a result of Elite XC terrible job promoting me. Instead of promoting me as their champ and upcoming athlete, Elite XC has resented me for ruining their plans to make Diaz their champ. That is just total disrespect. So it comes down to money and what is fair. I am tired of being bent over by Elite XC with no Vaseline.

I am right when I say Diaz is not the number one contender. Elite XC is trying to force this fight for their ratings. Eddie Alaverez is the number one contender and anybody with half a brain knows that a fight with Eddie is a way harder fight for me than Diaz. I will fight Diaz, but Elite has to be fair. I’m not ducking Diaz, why the hell would I be scared of someone I already beat.

With that being said, I am going to focus on my boxing career. I can make more money doing 6 and 8 rounders every other month and make more than I did being the Elite XC defending world champ. At least I will be able to sleep at night and be able to look myself in the mirror everyday. That right there is worth more than $300 bucks a week or fighting a guy I cannot stand for less money than him the second time around.

Will the Diaz fight happen, yes. Will the fight happen on Elite XC on October 4, 2008, probably not. The way things are being run by Chuck Champion, a guy whose history is newspapers, not fighting, and $kala, someone who talks a lot of game, but has never put on a pair of gloves, never stepped in a ring or cage. $kala has had everything handed to him with a silver spoon from daddy. Does anyone else but me think $kala just wants to be famous and stir up all this dirty laundry? I guess any publicity is good publicity. When I think about it, it has been good promotion for their October card since nobody is talking about it until you bring up the Noons vs. Diaz match up.

Before I end, I would like to thank my team, my trainers and workout partners for helping me prepare for my fights hours every day. I would like to also thank my manager Mark Dion for standing behind my decision making. I want to be a fighter who is not doing whatever I am being told like some kind of mindless puppet.

Thanks for hearing my side.



K.J. NOONS

[Kris P Lettus]

Here is the movie Redbelt, in it's entirety..

http://www.megavideo.com/v/LDAVWQJS9bc9442efcf0de5e687f93484d8efc04.1110700129.0

[Kris P Lettus]

National Geographic Masters of MMA series..

http://www.redux.com/playlist/masters_of_mixed_martial_arts_mma_on_national_geographic

[Reavant]

How's that?

he gets in a police chase with his name and picture on the side of his truck and he thinks hes god

[Rob]

:lol: fair enough. I was thinking more thoughts of an American traveling to Europe to train full time though.

[Reavant]

well that adds to it for sure haha

[Rob]

To steal a line from another forum - "At least he knows how to drive on the left side of the road".

[Rob]

Randy Couture is talking with the UFC about returning to fight Brock Lesnar.

:D

[Crimson]

It would be like a live training session, with Brock getting schooled.

[Rob]

Don't be so sure. Lesnar is by far a better wrestler, stronger and faster than Couture.

[Kris P Lettus]

I read that yesterday and think Lesnar has a really good shot at beating him.. That being said, I love Couture and wish him all the luck in the world..

[Kris P Lettus]

From Mike Swick's myspace this morning:

We filmed a TUF 1 reunion show today in Vegas for Spike TV. I think it went well. The only original cast they used was Griffin, Bonnar, Florian, Quarry, Leben, Southworth, Sanchez, Koscheck and myself. I think its going to air the day TUF 8 starts. Joe Rogan was the host and Dana was on hand as well.
Overall there was a lot of funny stuff brought up so I think you guys will like it!

I am almost healed from surgery and am pretty much training full on.
It still looks like I will be fighting in December but I will keep you guys up to date!

Take care!

-Swick

[Kris P Lettus]

Cheick Kongo ruled out of UFC 91 with shoulder injury

French UFC heavyweight contender, Cheick Kongo, who was last seen in action at UFC 87, knocking out debutant Dan Evensen in the first round, has been ruled out of action for a number of months with a shoulder injury.

Kongo is said to have suffered the injury before his last outing and fought through the pain but will now go under the surgeons knife ruling him out for the rest of the year.

This is of course a setback for the fighter who had got back on track after losing by split decision against Heath Herring earlier in the year. After his most recent win, he demanded he should be considered for a future title shot and was initially rumoured to be next in line for Brock Lesnar this November.

By Michael Pepper.

---------------

So it looks like the Couture/Lesnar fight might actually happen..

But let me ask you this, if Lesnar does fight Couture, technically, it would be for the HW Championship because they still introduce Nog as the "interim HW Champ"..

How would this work??

[Rob]

Would be a non title fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

Are they gonna publicly "strip" Couture of the title and stop saying "interim"??

[Kris P Lettus]

According to a report in the Friday edition of New York Post, CBS was not too pleased with the second EliteXC broadcast on their channel and now rumors are starting to fly that CBS and the UFC are talking again about a deal.

But reportedly, the network was shocked by how badly the last fight, called "Unfinished Business," did in the ratings.

Despite a poor showing, CBS apparently does not want to give up on the idea of turning the sometime savage mixed martial arts into primetime fare.

Rumors have also resurfaced that CBS is once again in talks with UFC - the first and better-known of the competing fight leagues - to take over the timeslot.

Calls to UFC and CBS were not returned.

OMf'nG YUS

[Rob]

Are they gonna publicly "strip" Couture of the title and stop saying "interim"??

From what I heard, Couture was talking over a new 3 year deal so the idea would be Lesnar first then the winner of Nog/Mir for the unification.

Could be a load of shit though.

[McLegend]

To steal a line from another forum - "At least he knows how to drive on the left side of the road".

This is pretty funny.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

In regards to Lesnar, I love him, he's probably my favorite fighter in spite of his inexperience just because I followed him as an amateur wrestler while I was wrestling, but I in no way think he's a better FIGHTER than Randy, I do however think with his rather unique skill set his strength and speed may be too much for Randy on top of everything else.

[Rob]

At some point Randy's age has to catch up to him. And let's not kid around here, every heavyweight out there is going to struggle with a 280lbs fighter with the speed and natural strength of Brock Lesnar regardless of the skills they have.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

At some point Randy's age has to catch up to him. And let's not kid around here, every heavyweight out there is going to struggle with a 280lbs fighter with the speed and natural strength of Brock Lesnar regardless of the skills they have.

Agreed, Randy is easily one of my favorite fighters of all time, but there are many people who I think can deal with Brock Lesnar at this point, especially if he continues to stay as composed as he did with Heath. That, and Randy's skillset doesn't match up well with Brock's. I think at this point you have to have a sick submission game to beat Brock, and Randy's never shown that. Then again, we've yet to see Brock get hit either.

[Rob]

Lesnar vs. Couture OFFICIAL!!!!!

Dana White just announced that on November 15th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas it will be UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar. It will be a five-round fight for the title, and the winner will face the winner of December's Antonio Nogueira vs. Frank Mir Interim Title fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

Just saw and came in here to post this..

HE'S BACK! UFC ANNOUNCES COUTURE VS LESNAR
Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - by Tom Hamlin - MMAWeekly.com

Amidst a groundswell of rumor and speculation concerning former UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture’s future, the Ultimate Fighting Championship on Tuesday announced that “The Natural” is indeed returning to the Octagon.

Couture will face rising star Brock Lesnar in the main event of UFC 91 in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on Nov. 15. The fight will be a five-round, title bout, Couture’s first since resigning from the organization in October of 2007.

There was strong speculation the Nov. 15 event would take place in Portland, Ore., but UFC president Dana White said that despite ongoing negotiations to do an event in Portland, and future plans to do so, this fight would take place in Las Vegas.

In announcing the fight, White steered away from saying that Lesnar, with a 1-1 record in the UFC and 2-1, was the No. 1 contender for the heavyweight title. He offered no defense of the bout being for the title saying, “We can basically put on fights that fans want to see… Mark my words, Couture vs. Lesnar will be the biggest fight in UFC history.”

The announcement appears to have ended a legal battle between Couture and the owners of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, Zuffa, LLC, over the terms of his fight contract. Up until the announcement was made, the two parties were in arbitration proceedings to determine if and when Couture would be able to fight outside of the UFC.

Due to Couture’s absence, the UFC had crowned Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira its interim heavyweight champion. He is scheduled to defend his interim title against Frank Mir in December. White said that fight would still take place with the winner facing the winner of Couture and Lesnar sometime in 2009 to unify the heavyweight title.

Couture has reportedly begun training full time for the bout at his Las Vegas Xtreme Couture gym.

Stay tuned to MMAWeekly.com as we will have further in-depth coverage as the story develops…

[Kris P Lettus]

Couture's better all around but with Lesnars size he might just impose his will on Couture.. It doesn't really make sense anyway cause if Lesnar dominated, it'll be great for him, but bad for Couture, who is one of the best HW ever in UFC.. If he wins, it'll be bad for Lesnar who they are priming for a title run..

Happy he's back though..

[Rob]

I don't think it's bad for Lesnar at all if he loses. 4th MMA fight, for the biggest title in the sport and against one of the all time greats. It's win-win. If Couture loses (and I think he will), it's retirement time. Forget any fights against Fedor.

[Innovator]

CAPTAIN AMERICA IS BACK! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Lesnar is in a win win here. If he loses, he lost to Randy Couture. If he wins, then he's the champ...weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.

[RP]

I hope Lesnar gets destroyed and never fights again.

[Stickman]

So we have the Interim and Heavyweight champ? Sounds like the WWE when they had WCW and WWE champs.

[Rob]

I hope Lesnar gets destroyed and never fights again.

Start praying now then brother.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I don't think any of you truly understand how thoroughly excited about this fight I am.

[Reavant]

Its not for the title though is it?

[Innovator]

5 round title fight

Winner fights the winner of the Mur/Nog fight

[Kris P Lettus]

Lesnar is in a win win here. If he loses, he lost to Randy Couture. If he wins, then he's the champ...weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.

Couture is not in a good position though.. If he beats Lesnar, people will just say he that much better than Lesnar right now, and it doesn't really add to his "legend".. At the same time this kills what potentially will be one of the best heavyweight of all time..

I dunno, I'm hype about this fight, I just hope it does good, not hurt the "revamped" HW division..

[Rob]

Couture needs to eat some humble pie though. He has been totally unprofessional through out this time.

[Loose Cannon]

weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.

and here I was thinking that I was out of my mind for having such a thought...

I seemed to spark a war of words when I said pretty much the exact same thing in the wrestling forum

[Kris P Lettus]

Fuck sake LC, as I said in that thread, I was talking to Xero more than anyone..

fuck

[Loose Cannon]

no, I'm not directly talking about you. I'm just saying that I found it funny to what the thread became.

[Kris P Lettus]

Well, at first it came across as wrestling fans "LOLing" at the idea that Brock is getting pushed this early.. While it is questionable, that is how the fight game works..

They were acting like this "exposed" something about MMA when most true fans know that this type of shit happens all the time..

Like BJ Penn is gonna get a shot at the Welterweight title when he hasn't fought in that weight class for awhile and lost 2 of his last three fights at welterweight..

(someone tell me if I'm wrong)

Shit happens cause Penn vs GSP is gonna put asses in the seats just like Couture/Lesnar..

[Kris P Lettus]

Kurt Angle Still Interested In Doing At Least One MMA Fight

Setana Sports has spoken to Eric Hibler who is one of the trainers at the Pittsburgh Fight Club in Angle's hometown in Pittsburgh PA and he tells Setana that Kurt has been training and would like to have at least one MMA Fight before he is unable to:

“Kurt is an international superstar with a very busy schedule. When Kurt is in town he does train here,” Hibler revealed.

“He's very low profile and easy to talk to. Everyone likes him and he's the man when it comes to fired-up hard workouts.”

“Kurt is an amazing open-minded individual and his ability to focus on a task is world class, no matter what we are working on. However, MMA even though it relates, is very different from wrestling.

“Kurt must relearn strategy and tactics for better game play with real fighting. On the other hand, Kurt is a trainer’s dream. He was born to train and compete.

“For now, his wrestling gives him excellent penetration ability for takedown transitions and a strong ground sense to help his positioning for ground-and-pound and submission set-ups.”

“Kurt's planning to participate in at least one MMA fight when he gets the right offer.

“To date he has not signed with any fight promotion.”

Shit..

Also, WTF is this??

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LOL

[Rob]

Angle has a hell of a headbutt.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sylvia says he'll help train Couture for Lesnar..

What are your thoughts on Brock?

He's a beast. It's one of those things every four years or so we get a really good monster wrestler like Mark Coleman or Dan Severn. When Dan Severn first came along he was unstoppable. That's what Brock Lesnar is. He is an amazing athlete, amazing wrestler and he's huge. Now's the time to fight him while he's still learning.


Did you work out with him?

He came up for a couple of weeks. I had my elbow taken care of so I didn't get to work out with him but some of the guys did.

Who is your pick for the Randy Couture Brock Lesnar fight?

Randy always rises to the occasion. I would never bet against Randy. I want Randy to win.


You guys are friends aren't you?

Oh yeah, I actually texted him earlier and told him I'd come out there and help him if he needed me to.

[Rob]

Why the hell would Couture need Sylvia for anything other than a human punching bag?

[Crimson]

lol..yea right, as if Sylvia can mirror Lesnar's power and speed .

[Kris P Lettus]

He is big..

[Impact!]

So um Rampage V Wanderlei? Any truth to this rumour?

[Kris P Lettus]

Haven't heard that yet..

I did just read a wrestling forum poster saying that the Undertaker would do fine in MMA since he's the toughest guy in the WWE locker room..

LOL

[Rob]

Thiago Silva has pulled out of his fight with Lyoto Machida in England next month. Meant to be injured.

Karo Parysian is also out of his fight tomorrow night injured. I least I don't have to watch his boring ass now.

[Stickman]

[QUOTE=Rob;2273952]Thiago Silva has pulled out of his fight with Lyoto Machida in England next month. Meant to be injured.

QUOTE]



Can't say I"m terribly disappointed. I hope they don't find anybody for Machida to fight. Hate watching him.

[Rob]

You ain't the only one. I heard there is a strong chance that if Dan Henderson gets through tonight injury free that he will be fighting Machida instead.

[Kris P Lettus]

My site MMAturf.net is doing streams of the fights tonight, FYI..

We need more posters..

:o

[Kris P Lettus]

You ain't the only one. I heard there is a strong chance that if Dan Henderson gets through tonight injury free that he will be fighting Machida instead.

Dangerous Dan is gonna push Machida's shit in..

[Rob]

UFC is on Setanta Sports in the UK now so I get the shows for free. I doubt I'll stay up anyway. Looks like a DVR job.

[Fabien Barthez]

Jesus. You miss a few days of following MMA news and crazy things go on!

Lesnar is going to give Couture a bad time I think, but I'll never bet against Randy. How the fuck can you?

[Fabien Barthez]

krisp, that stream is shit.

Anybody got a good one?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

http://www.mmashare.com/mma-live-stream-free.html

Enjoy Fabien

[Kris P Lettus]

krisp, that stream is shit.

Anybody got a good one?

Pay for it, asshole..

MMAturf was started cause MMAshare is shit, FYI..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh yeah, I was working with this dude is is a local pro MMA fighter.. He fight for Gracie South and has been to all kinds on MMA events and was even in a few fights sponcered by UFC..

Anyway, he got a text alittle while ago, while we were at work saying that Couture is gonna fight Fedor.. I haven't gone to look yet, but is there any truth to this??

[Danny Electric]

wow

[Fabien Barthez]

Oh my god. I thought Chuck was dead. Sickest knockout ever. Rashad was winning the round as well. Insane.

[Fabien Barthez]

Oh yeah, I was working with this dude is is a local pro MMA fighter.. He fight for Gracie South and has been to all kinds on MMA events and was even in a few fights sponcered by UFC..

Anyway, he got a text alittle while ago, while we were at work saying that Couture is gonna fight Fedor.. I haven't gone to look yet, but is there any truth to this??

Why would they sign that BEFORE he fights Brock? Asshole.

[Rob]

Fedor has 2 fights left on his Affliction deal. Until those fights happen or the company goes under, he is in no legal position to fight for the UFC.

Chuck Liddell's career is over now. That KO was brutal.

[Rob]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1972/whcrk8.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn..

Gonna go watch the fight now..

RIP Chuck

:(

[McLegend]

That was fuckin awsome.

He got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!

Damn...

[Kris P Lettus]

Not up yet..

:(

[Kris P Lettus]

What round??

Could someone give me a breakdown of the fight??

Also, did Henderson win??

[Rob]

Apparently he is still on oxygen now.

So weird too because aside from Kalib Starnes, I've never seen a fighter run more than Evans so much in a fight.

Rich Franklin might have a chance at 205lbs if Evans is knocking out guys. Only problem here is that Anderson Silva is there too. Oh well, nevermind eh!

[McLegend]

Chuck got cut in the first round, but not much action took place. Chuck might even have won the 1st round.

Then Chuck was trying to throw in upper cut in the 2nd round. The thing is though he is old and slow, and left himself wide open for a devastating overhand right :lol:

[Kris P Lettus]

:wavesad:

[Rob]

What round??

Could someone give me a breakdown of the fight??

Also, did Henderson win??

Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!

[McLegend]

That was beautiful.

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn..

Did he break his ribs or summat??

[Vastardikai]

Kris P, from the sound of it, he got the liver.

also, holy fuck what a punch!

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[Kris P Lettus]

sick

[RP]

Rashad Evans is easily one of my favorite fighters all of a sudden.

Dear Dana White,

Please retire that sad sack of old washed up shit now please. Thanks

[RP]

Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!

Liddell is a counter puncher. Ofcourse Evans was running. When Liddell has to chase someone and punch, he gets rocked like that. It was the same thing in the Rampage fight. Chasing is not his game. Evans outworked him strat wise and knocked him the fuck out.

[RP]

I'm shocked Liddell wasnt ready for this fight. With all the intense training he must have did.

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[Fabien Barthez]

Agreed. Once Chuck was forced to pressure and make the first move, he was taking more punches than he was landing. And then it was the same thing that got Chucks head smashed into Joe Rogans lap.

[RP]

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ROFL

Still love this guy. I dont care how mental he is.

[Rob]

I need to find the clip on Rampage dancing on the streets of Manchester.

[RP]

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[Crimson]

Didn't Forrest and Evans fight already?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I can't find a video of Franklin finishing Matt.

[Destor]

Anyone know where I can the fights steaming online?

[Doomsday Jezus]

Go to www.mmashare.com and theres a forum with all the fights vids streaming in it.

[Reavant]

Its confirmed on mmajunkie that evans will now fight griffin

[Rob]

That fight is NO BUYS

[Destor]

seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

That fight is NO BUYSAre you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.

[Impact!]

Hope to God Griffen wins...Also is it just me or does Rashad remind anyone else of Foreman (House)

[Kris P Lettus]

seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

Are you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.

MMAturf.net

[Fabien Barthez]

That fight is NO BUYS

Well, it's the most legitimate option for the title, and between them they have beaten Shogun, Rampage, Liddell, and in Evans case, he never really lost to Tito.

Are there 4 bigger names at LHW (besides Silva.... when he is there) you can beat to make it to the marquee fight? And if not, who the fuck have you got to destroy?

[Impact!]

Forrest V Wanderlei WAR

[Impact!]

Hell I'd rather see Forrest V Stephan Bonnar again than Forrest V Rashad...

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.

[Reavant]

Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.

what does that matter? you realize brock is fighting randy for the title and hes only had 3 pro fights and only won 2 of them.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?

[Reavant]

Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?


Ummmm and lets see who could Randy fight that would be legitimate in the Heavyweight division???? who has beaten two contenders and was gauranteed a title shot?

Fabricio Werdum? forget about him?

And herring is one of the biggest players?! WHAT!? Hes won only 2 of his last 5 fights. He beat Brad Imes and barely beat Kongo via split decision. He fucking lost to Jake Obrien! He was in no way a "big player"

So Wanderlei hasnt beaten a contender? did he not just KO Jardine in his last fight? Or did you not consider Jardine a contender? Jardine didnt knock out griffin or beat Liddel.... Oh wait he did both of those things!

[Fabien Barthez]

Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.


Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.

You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.


So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.

Any more?

[Rob]

At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.

[Reavant]

Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.

aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.


Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.
Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.


You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.

So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.
Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.

[Reavant]

At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.

Yea and Rampage probably would have had he not gone off the deep end.

Tito's style of fighting promotes longevity in the fight game. Chucks style only works when ur fast and hes slowing down a lot. If this last fight with evans took place with a chuck from a couple of years ago Id say evans would have been sleeping.

[Rob]

If it took place in London like it was meant to, it would have been Evans sleeping. Unlucky for Chuck it didn't.

[Reavant]

haha... Im sure that hamstring tear had a lot to do with his performance too, he looked a little flat on his feet.

[Fabien Barthez]

aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.


Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.


Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.

Keeping it short....

The difference in training and motivation in Herring pre and post Jake O'Brien are very well documented. He stepped up after that fight to be considered a contender.

Jardine and Greg Jackson openly admitted they knew Houston Alexander is a fast starting, hard hitting one dimentional fighter. Jardine just lost. The article is on Sherdog somewhere.

Not winning many fights because you haven't had many is much different from not winning many fights because you keep losing them. I don't doubt Wand, being a legend with a solid record only needs another win to put him in line, but he hasn't got it yet.

Arlovski being a top 10 Heavyweight means that that loss mattered and matters. It was his toughest opponent to date, and Werdum lost. Just because a guy leaves the promotion, doesn't mean his record vanishes.

You can talk about Vera beating Mir, and fair enough. It is his best win. But we all know How lucky Frank is to even be in the position he is now in. He sucked pretty bad the 2 fights previous.

Fact is, Rob is right about the LHW's, Wand needs another win.

As for the Heavy's, Randy's biggest conflict is about money, they have to put him in the biggest draws to make the right money for him to fight. I think Lesnar is quite lucky getting this fight, but he wouldn't have got it had he not been nearly as dominating against Herring. Werdum I don't think would represent the top guy in the division. Lesnar could.

[Fabien Barthez]

Oh, and this cunt negged me for saying things that were true and dismissing his poor arguments against. Fuck you Reav, you stupid dick. :foc:

[Fabien Barthez]

Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter.

Call me a dumbass? You stupid motherfucker.

[Crimson]

Sign Undertaker to the heavyweights to balance it out.

[Innovator]

Evan Tanner is dead at age 37, he was found in the desert

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7059&zoneid=2

[Kris P Lettus]

wow

Horrible news..

:(

rip

[Impact!]

Has it actually been confirmed yet, or it just thought to be him?

[Impact!]

Also that's creepy, as just last night I was searching sites to see when he'd be fighting next :(

[Reavant]

Keeping it short....

The difference in training and motivation in Herring pre and post Jake O'Brien are very well documented. He stepped up after that fight to be considered a contender.

Jardine and Greg Jackson openly admitted they knew Houston Alexander is a fast starting, hard hitting one dimentional fighter. Jardine just lost. The article is on Sherdog somewhere.

Not winning many fights because you haven't had many is much different from not winning many fights because you keep losing them. I don't doubt Wand, being a legend with a solid record only needs another win to put him in line, but he hasn't got it yet.

Arlovski being a top 10 Heavyweight means that that loss mattered and matters. It was his toughest opponent to date, and Werdum lost. Just because a guy leaves the promotion, doesn't mean his record vanishes.

You can talk about Vera beating Mir, and fair enough. It is his best win. But we all know How lucky Frank is to even be in the position he is now in. He sucked pretty bad the 2 fights previous.

Fact is, Rob is right about the LHW's, Wand needs another win.

As for the Heavy's, Randy's biggest conflict is about money, they have to put him in the biggest draws to make the right money for him to fight. I think Lesnar is quite lucky getting this fight, but he wouldn't have got it had he not been nearly as dominating against Herring. Werdum I don't think would represent the top guy in the division. Lesnar could.:rofl: ok... in terms of the motivation of herring, whatever, he looked out of shape and didnt try and finish the fight with nogiera which was two fights after.

Jardine may have known Houston was one demensional, but knowing from tapes from another promotion if they even had that or just hearing from others is waaaaaay different than being able to break his style down in the UFC or seeing him first hand. Thats not even a good point you brought up, its just stating the odvious.

you agree with me on wand even though you will say you dont...

ummm yes in terms of UFC contention with two wins under his belt since, a loss to arlovski doesnt really matter because hes not in line in front of him.

you conceded the point on vera

Yes wand should have another win, but it would not be rediculous to give him a shot now if they so chose.

Lesnar would have gotten the fight no matter how he won because he brings in a lot of wrestling fans that dont know anything about fighting and that means $$$ for Dana's pockets. Its all about money.


Oh, and this cunt negged me for saying things that were true and dismissing his poor arguments against. Fuck you Reav, you stupid dick. :foc::rofl::rofl: you cry like a little girl. change the tampon and get over it.

Call me a dumbass? You stupid motherfucker.
you are a dumbass

[Reavant]

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:rofl:

[Impact!]

LOL

[RP]

Damn Evan Tanner

I hope he didnt kill himself.

His death is so bittersweet to me for some reason.

I really rooted for this guy.

[Impact!]

R.I.P Tanner :(

[Innovator]

I've never wanted to see someone KO someone so bad when Tanner fought Kendall, really wanted Tanner to pull it out

[YOUR Hero]

Did anyone post his blog? About his trip..?

If no, there's a little bit of it in this story...
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8541780?MSNHPHMA

[Impact!]

“I believe there are people out there that just have a warrior spirit, whether it’s fighting or something, they’ve got to do it. It’s hard to identify with me; it’s just something I do.” ---Evan Tanner, 2005

On what will unquestionably be remembered as one of mixed martial arts’ saddest days, former UFC middleweight champion Evan Tanner - beloved by fans for his fighting ability and by friends for his free spirit – has passed away at the age of 37.

Tanner, on a camping trip in the Palo Verde mountain area, was found by an Imperial County Sheriff’s Department Deputy on Monday. The cause of death is not known at this time. He had not answered friends’ text messages since last Wednesday, and was officially reported missing on Friday.

On his personal Spike TV web blog, Tanner discussed the trip and how a failure of equipment could be fatal, but in a subsequent blog, he downplayed such fears, writing, “It seems some MMA websites have reported on the story, posting up that I might die out in the desert, or that it might be my greatest opponent yet, etc. Come on guys. It's really common down in southern California to go out to the off road recreation areas in the desert about an hour away from LA and San Diego. So my plan is to go out to the desert, do some camping, ride the motorcycle, and shoot some guns. Sounds like a lot of fun to me. A lot of people do it. This isn't a version of "Into the Wild". I'm not going out into the desert with a pair of shorts and a bowie knife, to try to live off the land. I'm going fully geared up, and I'm planning on having some fun.”

His agent, John Hayner, says that Tanner was excited about the trip and in a good place physically and mentally before his untimely death.

“He was in a good state of mind the last time we spoke,” said Hayner. “Everyone that was around him, and even at the gym he was training at, also said he was in a great state of mind. Living in Oceanside (California), he really liked being on the beach. His house was across from the water, he was in beautiful surroundings.”

If one thing was ever clear about Tanner, it was that he loved life, the outdoors, and adventure.

“He was always planning on going on some sort of adventure,” said Hayner. “And he never needed the finer things or made a fuss about them. He just needed enough for gas, shelter, and training.”

A native of Amarillo, Texas, Tanner worked various jobs as a bouncer, a cable TV contractor, a framer building beach houses, a dishwasher, a baker, a ditch digger, and a slaughterhouse worker before stumbling on to mixed martial arts in 1997.

Over the next 11 years, fighting would be a major part of his life, to the tune of 42 professional bouts, but as he said earlier this year before what would be his final bout against Kendall Grove, he never considered himself a fighter.

“I always thought of myself as the poet, the writer, or the philosopher – I never thought of myself as a fighter,” he chuckled. “But here I am. I always had an idea of the flow of my life, but not exactly what I would be doing day to day. And fighting definitely wasn’t something I thought I’d be doing.”

But he was good at it – very good in fact. Over the course of his career, Tanner (34-8) scored wins over Paul Buentello, Heath Herring, Ikuhisa Minowa, Justin McCully, Elvis Sinosic, Phil Baroni (twice), and Robbie Lawler. His biggest win, however, came at UFC 51 on February 5, 2005, when he stopped David Terrell in the first round to win the UFC middleweight championship.

Tanner would lose the belt to Rich Franklin in his first defense four months later, but the fans never abandoned him, and he returned that admiration, both in person and through his internet blogs.

“I wanted to give something back to the fans and let them know that I’m just a regular guy,” said Tanner in early 2008. “Some of the guys forget that and get caught up in the lights, and I never want to forget that and that I’m one of the lucky ones that got a chance to get out there and do this. There are a lot of great athletes out there, a lot of great fighters that never got the chance. I’m one of the lucky ones that did, so writing the blog and telling life as it is helps me stay grounded and it gives me a way to connect with the fans and give them something back.”

His blogs were more than just fight talk and product advertisements though. Tanner spoke frankly about life and his struggles in and out of the Octagon. And when
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he made his return to the UFC in 2008 after almost two years away, it was a triumph of the human spirit and an inspiration, regardless of whose hand was raised at the end of the fight.

“My thought was that I’m in a position where I’ve done some things and some people look up to me a little bit and maybe something in my story can help inspire them or motivate them to get through some things or do something better,” said Tanner before his return against Yushin Okami at UFC 82 in March. “If that’s the case and it helps anybody else out, then it’s worth me facing the embarrassment.”

He fell short in his final two bouts against Okami and Grove, but there was no keeping him down, and his off-time after the Grove bout was filled with more of his adventures, as well as participation in Harley-Davidson’s 105th anniversary celebration.

Sadly, there will be no more adventures, only memories of Evan Tanner.

“Evan was such a unique individual, and he was okay being an individual,” said Hayner. “He was okay with taking the path less traveled, and he often chose that harder path.”

It was simply who he was. Just read the words he spoke to me before I wished him luck for his fight against Grove in June.

“Everything’s been about the journey,” he said. “I never really set out with goals for fighting; it’s been about the adventure along the way. When you’re on your death bed, it’s those stories, those little adventures that are going to be the things that you remember. It’s not so much getting there, but how you got there.”

And he did it his way.

Leave it to me as I find a way to be
Consider me a satellite, forever orbiting
I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me
Guaranteed
---Eddie Vedder, “Guaranteed”. The song playing on Evan Tanner’s myspace page.

Rest in Peace, Evan.

[Fabien Barthez]

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:rofl:


Whatever fucker. You can post smiley faces all day. You still have no good arguments for me, I was right about Jardine, its an interview with himself and Greg Jackson im reffering to so it is relevant, cock.

You soon dropped any bollocks about Werdum. Way to stand by your comments.

Evans is just such a clearer choice for No 1 condenership than Wand by miles, but whatever, I conceeded nothing, your argument was that he needed another win, you disagreed with your own point, only then did I agree with it.

Hey, by your logic, Now Tanner is dead, anyone that lost to him can have that loss removed from their record right? brains?

Man, are you fucking stupid or what?

[Rob]

This fucking sucks to hear about Evan Tanner. Such a shame where his life went over the last few years.

[McLegend]

How factual are the rumors that Chuck is going to fight Anderson Silva?

[RP]

I've never wanted to see someone KO someone so bad when Tanner fought Kendall, really wanted Tanner to pull it out

omg so did I. I would have been the best thing i've ever seen in sports probably.

[Reavant]

Whatever fucker. You can post smiley faces all day. You still have no good arguments for me, I was right about Jardine, its an interview with himself and Greg Jackson im reffering to so it is relevant, cock.

You soon dropped any bollocks about Werdum. Way to stand by your comments.

Evans is just such a clearer choice for No 1 condenership than Wand by miles, but whatever, I conceeded nothing, your argument was that he needed another win, you disagreed with your own point, only then did I agree with it.

Hey, by your logic, Now Tanner is dead, anyone that lost to him can have that loss removed from their record right? brains?

Man, are you fucking stupid or what?

Refer to my last post on the jardine-alexander thing because odviously you were too upset to read it.

I didnt say anything more anbout Werdum because you conceded the point and I didnt feel like rubbing your face in it, other than the fact that werdum has a couple quality wins under his belt and arlovski is no longer in the ufc which means that loss has no more affect on his UFC title contension. I know your all hot and bothered right now but get a fucking sucker calm down and read that again and you will realize that is true.

Didnt disagree with my own point sorry to tell ya... go back and read it... I said that he was right in top contension because of his "legendary" status which you agreed and because of his knockout of jardine. I believe you said that you wouldnt argue if he could KO liddel. Good one there buddy.

and odviously evans should get a shot, I never said he shouldnt.... go back and look. Never said it. I did say that it wouldnt be rediculous if they gave Wand the shot, which it wouldnt because of who he is. Yes there is better contenders, like evans, or Rampage, and I never said there wasnt, I was arguing Wands case. You dont know how to read.

Oh and good one with the tanner comment, your a great guy.

Gotta love how you dont really make any points, you just argue for a little then call me names, real good.

[Reavant]

How factual are the rumors that Chuck is going to fight Anderson Silva?

I hope not at all.

[Kris P Lettus]

Rashad Evans Will Fight Forrest Griffin for UFC Light Heavyweight Title, Likely at UFC 92

Posted Sep 7th 2008 7:47AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: UFC

In the moments after Rashad Evans knocked out Chuck Liddell at UFC 88 last night, the UFC's top brass huddled up and decided that the KO earned Evans a title shot.



UFC President Dana White announced in the wee hours of Sunday morning that Evans would fight Forrest Griffin for the UFC light heavyweight title. Although a date hasn't been chosen, it will most likely be a co-main event on the December 27 UFC 92 card, which also features the interim heavyweight title clash between Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Frank Mir.



Although UFC executives have to be disappointed that Liddell lost -- he is, after all, their most proven pay-per-view draw, and even Griffin wanted him to win -- it makes sense that they would give Evans the next title shot. He's undefeated and he's just provided UFC fans with one of the greatest highlights in mixed martial arts history. A Griffin-Evans fight won't draw the way a Griffin-Liddell fight would have, but it's still a fight every UFC fan will want to see.

I like it..

[Rob]

How factual are the rumors that Chuck is going to fight Anderson Silva?

Not at all. Liddell is has at least a 60 day no contact suspension coming on and Silva has a fight lined up already. I think Silva's next fight will probably be against the winner of Leben vs. Bisping providing Patrick Cote doesn't get the luckiest day of his life in a few weeks.

[Fabien Barthez]

Refer to my last post on the jardine-alexander thing because odviously you were too upset to read it.

I didnt say anything more anbout Werdum because you conceded the point and I didnt feel like rubbing your face in it, other than the fact that werdum has a couple quality wins under his belt and arlovski is no longer in the ufc which means that loss has no more affect on his UFC title contension. I know your all hot and bothered right now but get a fucking sucker calm down and read that again and you will realize that is true.

Didnt disagree with my own point sorry to tell ya... go back and read it... I said that he was right in top contension because of his "legendary" status which you agreed and because of his knockout of jardine. I believe you said that you wouldnt argue if he could KO liddel. Good one there buddy.

and odviously evans should get a shot, I never said he shouldnt.... go back and look. Never said it. I did say that it wouldnt be rediculous if they gave Wand the shot, which it wouldnt because of who he is. Yes there is better contenders, like evans, or Rampage, and I never said there wasnt, I was arguing Wands case. You dont know how to read.

Oh and good one with the tanner comment, your a great guy.

Gotta love how you dont really make any points, you just argue for a little then call me names, real good.

You are boring me now idiot.

You can say I can't read, but I never conceeded anything about Werdum, Arlovski fight is the reason he hasn't already had a shot. the Jardine interview has him admitting he lost in the anticipated way which means he just basically got his arse kicked. No fluke. YOU added Wand needed one more win to be in line, not me.

Oh, and you're a great guy, too.

Retard.

[Loose Cannon]

lol I am watching Chuck Liddel play in the World Series of Poker and he seems really shy and nervous, especially when Phil Helmuth came in (Phil is one of the top poker plyers in the world)

it's funny seeing him like that, but I guess even the bad asses get timid when they are out of thier comfort zone.

[Reavant]

You are boring me now idiot.

You can say I can't read, but I never conceeded anything about Werdum, Arlovski fight is the reason he hasn't already had a shot. the Jardine interview has him admitting he lost in the anticipated way which means he just basically got his arse kicked. No fluke. YOU added Wand needed one more win to be in line, not me.

Oh, and you're a great guy, too.

Retard.

Im glad you see things my way... that wasnt so hard was it sweetheart

[Rob]

Fucking hell girls get over it.

[Reavant]

Hi Rob

[Reavant]

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[Reavant]

And yes getting kicked in the leg over and over sucked ass

[Fabien Barthez]

Seems Fabricio agrees with you, man.

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/222913063

[McLegend]

Not at all. Liddell is has at least a 60 day no contact suspension coming on and Silva has a fight lined up already. I think Silva's next fight will probably be against the winner of Leben vs. Bisping providing Patrick Cote doesn't get the luckiest day of his life in a few weeks.

I would pay to see Chuck/Anderson Silva.

I think it should happen.

[Rob]

Seems Fabricio agrees with you, man.

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/222913063

Who cares! :p

Fucking hell.

[Fabien Barthez]

Fuck you, bert.

I'm not digging at this whopper anymore.... Thats relevant though.


I'm sure I would be more pissed off at being left out for Mir than Lesnar to be honest...

[Impact!]

Whose actually in the Heavyweight division in UFC at the moment?

Fabricio Werdum, Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar, ARN, Shane Carwin, Jake O'Brien, Heath Herring, Gabriel Gonzaga, and I guess Junior Cigano. Have I missed anyone?

[Rob]

Cain Velasquez. Cheick Kongo.

[Reavant]

didnt they cut obrien again?

[Impact!]

Dunno how I forgot Kongo...is Cain Velasquez/Junior Cigano any good? Also in your opinion Rob is Shane Carwin any good?

[Rob]

I like Carwin from what I've seen of him. He is fighting Neil Wain on the Birmingham show and I know the UFC expects things out of him too so I dunno why they put them together this early but should be good either way. I think Velasquez could be the guy to look out for though.

[Impact!]

Cool, from what I'd heard Carwin is pretty good. So I'm looking forward to seeing him fight. Whens Velasquez going to fight next?

[Reavant]

Carwin was a national champ wrestler in a lower division. Like NAIA or d2 or 3. Cain Velasquez was a national champ in junior college and could have very well been one for d1 but he lost from some questionable calls in the Ncaa tournament.

[Reavant]

UFC has some good heavyweights, but they dont have a lot of depth at the weight to give them a slow rise like other weight classes. These guys like carwin and velasquez are going to have meteoric rises in terms of the competition they face because they wont have enough people to beat up to get in the spot light in the public. Dana is going to want to get as much out of these guys as fast as he can and they will probably be getting matched up with people that they arent ready for.

[Fabien Barthez]

You missed out Mir.

[Fabien Barthez]

Affliction is off. They reckon they have only sold about 10% of tickets.

Moved to the Honda Center, and now in January, but still no fight for Fedor, who you would presume would be heathy by then.

So it probably still won't go ahead.

I guess Dana buried Arlovski pretty hard..

[Impact!]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4722/poster1012129kv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Fabien Barthez]

Socks and Flip-Flops?

See, being the toughest bastard going isn't always the best. Someone might have told him how stupid he looks otherwize...

[Rob]

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Thanks to everyone at the F4W board for stealing these elsewhere first :D

[Impact!]

LOL stolen from Sherdog (I think)

[Impact!]

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[Kris P Lettus]

Some of those are pretty funny..

[Impact!]

My favourite is the one with Rampage driving

[Impact!]

Or possibly the one with Chuck on the bed and Jardine looking through the window

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Kris P Lettus]

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[Reavant]

Affliction is off. They reckon they have only sold about 10% of tickets.

Moved to the Honda Center, and now in January, but still no fight for Fedor, who you would presume would be heathy by then.

So it probably still won't go ahead.

I guess Dana buried Arlovski pretty hard..

Im sure he was focused on burrying andrei. UFC drove affliction out of vegas.

Its weird, a week after coture goes back this happens. UFC is probaby going to buy up affliction or end the ban since randy is back with them.

[Rob]

LOL stolen from Sherdog (I think)

Nah they stole it from F4W. It was some rinky dink site that they all came from.

[Rob]

Cheick Kongo also has joined the Wolfslair Gym along with Rampage. Juanito Ibarra must have seriously fucked these guys over. Tito Ortiz was burying him big time online the other day too. I think he might be blackballed from the business now.

[Reavant]

what the fuck could he have done?

[Fabien Barthez]

Last I checked, Rampage put his victory against Chuck down entirely to the wizdomonious genius of one Juanito Ibarra...

[Rob]

what the fuck could he have done?

From Tito was saying, he was severely overcharging guys for training/managing and keeping the money himself. Like say he was bringing in a BJJ specialist or something. He'd tell the guys he would cost X and then pay the guy less and keep the rest himself.

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, I guess if saving money is what you're after, Wolfslair is the place to go.

Rampage and Cheick might even be able to score a council house close by, if they play the immigrant card.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/stroked_z/liddell-evans-ufc88.gif

[Rob]

Well, I guess if saving money is what you're after, Wolfslair is the place to go.

Rampage and Cheick might even be able to score a council house close by, if they play the immigrant card.

Apparently Juanito charged Rampage over $60,000 for his last fight. That's insane.

[Reavant]

WOW! thats nuts what a scum

[Kris P Lettus]

Spike is reshowing the last Ultimate Finale right now..

I know it's cause season 8 starts next week but what sad irony..

:( RIP Tanner

[Rob]

Last I checked, Rampage put his victory against Chuck down entirely to the wizdomonious genius of one Juanito Ibarra...

Last time I checked, Quinton was insane.

[Impact!]

rofl

[Reavant]

can anyone post a link to the show where all the old season 1 guys were interviewed by dana and rogan?

[Kris P Lettus]

Haven't found the whole thing but here is some "behind the scenes" vids from Spike..

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[Kris P Lettus]

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[Reavant]

yea i got all those too. thanks tho

[Kris P Lettus]

I am interested in seeing the whole thing so yeah, if anyone finds it, hook it up..

[Rob]

I'd like to see that too.

[Kris P Lettus]

From what I'm finding out, it wasn't shown as a whole show.. It was just shown in like 5 minute segments during commercial breaks and whatnot..

Hope someone ripped the whole thing so they could show it online..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, Swick tried to call out Leban (which you saw some of in the vids I posted) but that was the only real drama that happened..

[Kris P Lettus]

Found this TUF preview and it looks like Jason Guida (Clay's brother) struggles and doesn't make weight for the very first fight..

http://www.spike.com/episode/28938/st/3031714

[Rob]

What a fucking idiot that man is. How can you show up a day before you KNOW you are gonna have a fight weighing 15lbs overweight?

[Kris P Lettus]

Pretty retarded..

In other news Rampage might be fighting Wandy..

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (28-7 MMA, 3-1 UFC) has begun preparations for a UFC 91 fight with Wanderlei Silva (32-8-1 MMA, 2-3 UFC).



Sources within Jackson's new camp at the Wolfslair Academy tell MMAjunkie. com (www. mmajunkie. com) that Jackson has agreed to the Nov. 15 bout and has already begun a six-week fight camp with the U.K.-based team.



However, the UFC has yet to announce the bout, and neither fighter could publicly confirm the match-up.



The Jackson-Silva bout will likely serve as the co-main event to UFC 91's headline fight of UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar. The fight card, which also includes Kenny Florian vs. Joe Stevenson, takes place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.



MMARated. com first reported earlier this month that the Jackson-Silva fight was close to being finalized.



Jackson, who faces two felony (and four misdemeanor) charges stemming from a July hit-and-run and subsequent police chase in California, will return to competition for the first time since the bizarre incident and his recent split with longtime trainer and friend Juanito Ibarra. Under Ibarra's guidance, Jackson had won six consecutive fights, which included a first-round TKO of then-champ Chuck Liddell in May 2007, before his May title loss to Forrest Griffin.



Jackson, who recently pleaded not guilty to the charges, is currently scheduled for a Nov. 3 court date at which time he'll learn whether or not he'll go to trial due to his recent arrest.



Silva, meanwhile, recently picked up his first UFC win in nine years when he defeated Keith Jardine in quick and brutal fashion at UFC 84. He needed just 36 seconds for the knockout victory.



Silva competed in some early UFC events before heading to PRIDE to become one of the organization's biggest stars and most recognizable champions. However, his final two fights in the Japanese-based organization were both losses -- to Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic and Dan Henderson via knockouts -- and he stretched the losing streak to three straight when he dropped a unanimous decision to Liddell during his octagon return at UFC 79.



Silva owns two previous victories over Jackson -- one in 2003 and again in 2004 -- with both coming via knockout.



The winner of the Jackson-Silva fight will be in the thick of the UFC's light-heavyweight title picture, which also includes undefeated contender Lyoto Machida. However, Rashad Evans, fresh off a stunning knockout victory of Liddell, has been granted the first shot at Griffin's title. That bout is expected to take place later this year or in early 2009.



Tickets for UFC 91 go on sale to the UFC's fan club beginning Wednesday, and the general public can place its orders on Saturday.

[Rob]

I think Rampage would murder Silva now. Insane or not.

A few more yanks have joined the Wolfslair this week too. Gotta be careful here. Britain might actually start getting a rep for being a good MMA camp.

[Kris P Lettus]

Anthony Johnson lost his appeal to get that Burns loss over turned..

F'n bullshit they didn't do it, IMO..

The Nevada State Athletic Commission has rejected an appeal from UFC welterweight Anthony Johnson (5-2 MMA, 2-2 UFC) to have his July 19 TKO loss to Kevin Burns changed to a no contest.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer explained the reasoning behind the decision in an email to MMAFrenzy.com.

"Based on advice from the Nevada Attorney General's office, the appeal was rejected due to lack of remedy."

The appeal, filed on behalf of Johnson by his manager Ken Pavia, requested the change because of the controversial stoppage in the "UFC Fight Night 14" bout.

Johnson was repeatedly poked in the eye during the contest, and Burns received several warnings for the infractions. Despite the warnings, Burns caught Johnson in the eye again late in the third round, and "Rumble" crumbled to the mat.

Referee Steve Mazzagatti did not initially realize the blow was illegal and halted the fight -- awarding a TKO victory to Burns.

Johnson's eye required surgery for a detached retina. Though Johnson has now fully recovered, the injury could have been career threatening.

Johnson was a recent guest on TAGG Radio (www.taggradio.com (http://www.taggradio.com/)), the official radio partner of MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com/)), and said he was unconcerned with the Commission's final decision.

"My manager, Ken (Pavia), deals with that," Johnson said. "They can keep the loss on my record if they want to because I know I will come back better and stronger next time."

Johnson was a total class act when it happened and is being a total class act now.. Future champion right there..

[Rob]

Not a bullshit call at all. At the time, Steve Mazzagatti thought it was a legit shot. So did nearly everyone else. People might lie about it and say they saw the eye poke immediately but they didn't. There aren't instant replays in the sport. You need to have some form of referee decision and human error in the sport or there is no point in having them.

They should be thinking of a way to stop it happening again is Burns can't close his fist fully. New gloves or something.

[Reavant]

They should be thinking of a way to stop it happening again is Burns can't close his fist fully. New gloves or something.

That excuse is bull shit because thay check if you can close you hand in the physical and right before the event or match.

[Impact!]

Sweet Rampage V Wandy

[Kris P Lettus]

There just needs to be a secondary ref watching monitors outside the cage.. Regardless of the the justification of the call it was still wrong and that "loss" should not be on his record..

[Reavant]

You need the referees to manage the fight, like stop it when someone is getting overwelmed or when someone gets knocked out or starts to tap.

Granted noone could see initially that he got poked in the eye, but in the replay, you could clearly see that the finger was knuckle deep in the eyeball. Im not saying there should be replays for flash knockouts, because they are knockouts. But there was no ko here at all. in the replay there was no question that it wasnt a ko.

[Rob]

It was a KO. The referee let it go and Burns went for it. That's a KO. Unless he was going to stop the action for an eye poke, the action continued as it should. It wasn't the eye poke that stopped the fight. An eye poke turned the fight. Big difference. Referees have missed nut shots a ton of times. Should all those matches be viewed again and have decisions overturned? God no.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah. Shit happens. Fight the guy again if it is that important to you, or just move on. Focus on getting more wins, instead of trying to get a disputed loss overturned.

I mean, for fuck sake, if he is as good as he says, then this loss won't matter one fucking bit in 12 months.

[Kris P Lettus]

He didn't even fall like he got punched.. He grabbed his eye and slowly fell..

It in no way shape of form looked like a knock out.. It looked like an eye poke, even at full speed when it happened..

After the fact, like 30 second after Mazzagotti called it, it was exposed what happened.. At that point they should have given Johnson the 5 minutes and continued the fight or gfiven him the TKO victory..

And Fabien, you making it out like Johnson is being petty makes you look like a huge asshole.. He was nothing but a complete class act the night it happened and has continued to act accordingly since.. It was a horrid call and he in no way shape or form lost that fight.. He got poked in the eye several times, the last one bad enough to cause him to need surgery, and he loses the fight over it.. Nothing about that is right..

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Rob]

He didn't even fall like he got punched.. He grabbed his eye and slowly fell..

It in no way shape of form looked like a knock out.. It looked like an eye poke, even at full speed when it happened..

After the fact, like 30 second after Mazzagotti called it, it was exposed what happened.. At that point they should have given Johnson the 5 minutes and continued the fight or gfiven him the TKO victory..

And Fabien, you making it out like Johnson is being petty makes you look like a huge asshole.. He was nothing but a complete class act the night it happened and has continued to act accordingly since.. It was a horrid call and he in no way shape or form lost that fight.. He got poked in the eye several times, the last one bad enough to cause him to need surgery, and he loses the fight over it.. Nothing about that is right..

I wouldn't say he is being petty but Johnson has accepted the loss so let's move on. It wasn't a horrid call at all. And you can't call a decision and then go to a replay and then restart the fight. It's bullshit.

[Kris P Lettus]

That's why there needs to be a secondary ref watching monitors for illegal moves and whatnot..

Just as I said earlier..

[Rob]

You Americans are obsessed with fucking replays and more referees :D

Seriously though, there ain't two refs in boxing or an instant replay and that sport has been going for over 100 years. This was one mistake in one fight. Humour error is part of life and should be part of sport.

[Kris P Lettus]

Us Americans are constantly trying to evolve the rules and whatnot to take away the human error factor of sports..

Boxing is a dead sport while MMA is constantly growing and evolving..

[Reavant]

It was a KO. The referee let it go and Burns went for it. That's a KO. Unless he was going to stop the action for an eye poke, the action continued as it should. It wasn't the eye poke that stopped the fight. An eye poke turned the fight. Big difference. Referees have missed nut shots a ton of times. Should all those matches be viewed again and have decisions overturned? God no.

it wasnt a KO tho. he fell back and turned away as he fell right after it happened. and he was screaming.

Im not saying that they should use instant replay for KOs in general, but in a case where a replay shows difinitively that there was not a KO then it should be overturned, especially given the fact that Burns was warned about it before it happened.

[Reavant]

You Americans are obsessed with fucking replays and more referees :D

Seriously though, there ain't two refs in boxing or an instant replay and that sport has been going for over 100 years. This was one mistake in one fight. Humour error is part of life and should be part of sport.

there also isnt fingers in the gloves

[Rob]

it wasnt a KO tho. he fell back and turned away as he fell right after it happened. and he was screaming.

Im not saying that they should use instant replay for KOs in general, but in a case where a replay shows difinitively that there was not a KO then it should be overturned, especially given the fact that Burns was warned about it before it happened.

It was a KO because Burns kept on him and Mazzagatti stopped it then. If he went down holding his face screaming and Mazzagatti stopped it then I'd see the arguement. But he didn't.

Fuck instant replays. Fuck overturning results due to human error. Matt Hughes got kicked in the balls and was on the verge of being stopped against Frank Trigg and he pulled it back. If he would have lost that fight, nobody would have said "oh let's overturn it on an instant replay". The eye poke wasn't even deliberate.

[Danny Electric]

I think it's quite mad that they are billing the Lesnar/Couture fight as the biggest fight in UFC history.

[Crimson]

R.I.P Tanner..good tribute video

[Rob]

I think it's quite mad that they are billing the Lesnar/Couture fight as the biggest fight in UFC history.

It probably is though.

R.I.P Tanner..good tribute video

Fuckers at Setanta turned the show off before that aired! :mad::rant:

[Impact!]

Is there an Ultimate Fighter 8 thread at all?/Is there any video links to the eps (we don't get them in Australia)

[Kris P Lettus]

I made a thread about it in the movies/tv forum..

Check MMAturf.net (cheap plug) for the videos as I'm sure they'll have it..

[Kris P Lettus]

No Episode one yet but they did get the whole Season 1 reunion show up..

http://mmaturf.net/dev/smf/index.php/topic,2100.0.html

[Fabien Barthez]

And Fabien, you making it out like Johnson is being petty makes you look like a huge asshole.. He was nothing but a complete class act the night it happened and has continued to act accordingly since.. It was a horrid call and he in no way shape or form lost that fight.. He got poked in the eye several times, the last one bad enough to cause him to need surgery, and he loses the fight over it.. Nothing about that is right..


I couldn't give a fuck about how you think I look due to my comments, tool.

google search 'hand of god'

SHIT. HAPPENS. :roll:

[Kris P Lettus]

You are a faggot who act way too much like a know it all tough guy..

I know you "don't care" how you come across but I'm just giving you a heads up..

[Fabien Barthez]

You are a stupid fat nugget who tries far too hard to be a cool kid on an internet forum, and you still come across like a fat nerd with no friends.

Shit does happen. You are exibit A.

Lets keep it on topic shall we pork pie? I have no desire to ever address you directly.