MMA Thread

[Kris P Lettus]

Looking at my Gucci, it's about that time..

To start off the discussion, with Silva backing out of the Liddell fight, and with the Rashad/Tito draw, what is going to happen in the light heavyweight title hunt??

Here's what I've been thinking:

-If Shogun comes to UFC, let him fight Liddell instead of that faggot Wanderlei..

-Let Rashad and Tito fight again..

-Then, let the winner of those two matches fight for the number one contender spot..

I know Rampage is fighting Dan Henderson, so the winner of that fight can go on to fight someone like Bonnar, Vitor Belfor, Forrest Griffen, etc..

Thoughts??

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I think you're just going to end up with Chuck/Tito again, which is a good money match really. And I don't know if either could stop Rampage, though believe it or not I think Tito could take him. His style lends better to a fight against Jackson then Chucks.

[Kris P Lettus]

But what happens to Rashad?? I mean, wasn't that fight (Ortiz/Evans) for a contender spot??

[weather vane]

They have to have Ortiz and Evans again. I don't know wtf is going on with Silva or Shogun.

[Kris P Lettus]

I do think Chuck deserves a rematch even though it's 2-0 Rampage.. I mean, Chuck DOMINATED the 205lbs division in UFC for like 3 years..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I think Tito would beat Rashad in the rematch. I honestly think Tito underestimated Rashad. I know it's not the Tito of all, but I think the draw may have been a bit of a reality check.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Check def deserves another shot, but for his sake he has to have another match before that. You CANNOT go into a rematch against a guy who has beat you 2 times straight wtihout getting a win on someone before that to rebuild yourself.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tito couldn't beat his own meat, let alone Rashad..

(Jenna gave him the penis rot)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I think he could beat Rashad. And yeah, I know Jenna gave him the rot :( He needs to distance himself from that. I mean wtf, she came to big bear with him for the Rashad fight?!?!

[weather vane]

I am not sure about Tito anymore. He is one of my favourites but he is really looking to be on a downward spiral.

[Kris P Lettus]

I am just talking shit because I've never like Tito..

:y:

[McLegend]

Rashad should kill Tito.

Have you seen some of Tito's shots? They look horrible.

[Kris P Lettus]

I never saw the PPV.. My bro still has in on his DVR, I just haven't made it over there to watch it yet..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I was always a Captain America fan but say what you will, Tito of old was great. I see glimmers of it in him now, he's just got to refocus.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

PPPPLLLUS like I said, I think Tito's style has the best chance against Rampage baring Henderson.

[Rob]

Rashad should kill Tito.

Have you seen some of Tito's shots? They look horrible.

Oh please! Did you even watch their fight. Ortiz owned him for 13 minutes of a 15 minute fight. And he wasn't close to being finished before the clock.

[McLegend]

Yes I watched the fight, and I now think Tito is done has being a top echlon fighter.

Tito's wrestling looks terrible, and I have no faith that Tito can beat Rashad again. I argee that he did "win" the fight, but those last 2 mintues were more dominat then the previous 13 for Tito. Rashad is gonna have so much confidence for the 2nd fight. He's gonna win.

Tito hasn't looked good in a fight since he has come back to the UFC.

[Rob]

Yes I watched the fight, and I now think Tito is done has being a top echlon fighter.

Tito's wrestling looks terrible, and I have no faith that Tito can beat Rashad again. I argee that he did "win" the fight, but those last 2 mintues were more dominat then the previous 13 for Tito. Rashad is gonna have so much confidence for the 2nd fight. He's gonna win.

Tito hasn't looked good in a fight since he has come back to the UFC.

Right now, I wouldn't call Ortiz a top 5 light heavyweight (am I sucking his cock now people?).

His wrestling is fine. Because he doesn't use it all the time, it doesn't make it worse than it is. It's obviously better than Rashad's and it wasn't meant to be at all going into their fight. I'll bet anyone $100 that Tito beats Rashad in the second fight INSIDE the distance or by winning every round on every score card.

As for not looking good. I disagree. He hasn't looked great but that's another story.

Vs. Griffin - Total domination until his gassed which is put down to a torn ACL going into the fight. Nobody can argue that Ortiz is a cardio machine normally.

Vs. Shamrock II - looked dominate against a past his prime Shamrock.

Vs. Shamrock III - looked even more dominate and a decisive finish.

Vs. Liddell - Looked fine until his KO. Arguably an early stoppage. Personally, I thought 10 more seconds wouldn't have hurt here but you can't really complain. Definate improvement from his first fight with Chuck.

Vs. Evans - Not at his best but looked dominate again. Evans was lucky to escape with a draw due to a dodgy referee call (everyone grabs the fence and NOBODY ever gets punished) and the time running out in the second round when Evans was seconds from being out from the gullitine.

Ortiz still needs to beat Evans and beat a top 5 fighter though.

[McLegend]

Right now, I wouldn't call Ortiz a top 5 light heavyweight (am I sucking his cock now people?).

His wrestling is fine. Because he doesn't use it all the time, it doesn't make it worse than it is. It's obviously better than Rashad's and it wasn't meant to be at all going into their fight. I'll bet anyone $100 that Tito beats Rashad in the second fight INSIDE the distance or by winning every round on every score card.

As for not looking good. I disagree. He hasn't looked great but that's another story.

Vs. Griffin - Total domination until his gassed which is put down to a torn ACL going into the fight. Nobody can argue that Ortiz is a cardio machine normally.

Vs. Shamrock II - looked dominate against a past his prime Shamrock.

Vs. Shamrock III - looked even more dominate and a decisive finish.

Vs. Liddell - Looked fine until his KO. Arguably an early stoppage. Personally, I thought 10 more seconds wouldn't have hurt here but you can't really complain. Definate improvement from his first fight with Chuck.

Vs. Evans - Not at his best but looked dominate again. Evans was lucky to escape with a draw due to a dodgy referee call (everyone grabs the fence and NOBODY ever gets punished) and the time running out in the second round when Evans was seconds from being out from the gullitine.

Ortiz still needs to beat Evans and beat a top 5 fighter though.
For the record I didn't count the Shamrock fights, because Shamrock passed his prime didn't stand a chance.

I still think Tito lost that fight against Forrest, but I will cut him some slack since he had that injury.

But see against Chuck I could argue that the fight should have been stopped in the first round, because I actually think that was way closer then in the 3rd round where it was stopped.

Then moving on when he would shoot on Chuck he kept telegraphing them, and basically like stood no chance of taking Chuck down. Which is what he did against Rashad aside from the first takedown where he did that high kick out of no where.

I'll give Tito credit though for developing his stand up, but he has no knock out power what so ever on his feet. I think he he as to diver more of his attention back to his wrestling.

Basically though I think the evolution of MMA has passed Tito Ortiz by.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Then moving on when he would shoot on Chuck he kept telegraphing them, and basically like stood no chance of taking Chuck down.

To be fair, Chuck has one of the best sprawls in the business. Very few people CAN take Chuck down effectively.

[McLegend]

Yeah I know, but Tito is supposed to be an excellent wrestler.

And I'm not knocking Tito for not taking Chuck down more. I'm knocking just for the way is wrestling looked. He did all these shots from the outside and gave himself even less of a chance of taking Chuck down.

I'm knocking him for technique.

[Rob]

Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.

[McLegend]

I hope Tito proves me wrong and wins his next 7 fights against top level guys, becuase he is so important to the money making aspect of MMA. The man knows how to promote himself and a fight.

He's a great personality.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nah, he is replacable..

Rampage has more charisma in his pinky finger than Tito has in his whole body..

[Rob]

Nah, he is replacable..

Rampage has more charisma in his pinky finger than Tito has in his whole body..

Tito is replacable. But there is nobody out there to replace him right now. Rampage is another type of charisma. Hasn't got the charisma to build a feud and have people love or hate him. Every Ortiz fight is an event now. Rampage won't get that unless he tears through the 205lbs division. And he won't.

[Kris P Lettus]

YES HE WILL

:foc:

:(

[Apocolyptik1]

YES HE WILL

:foc:

:(

I like Rampage but I have to disagree. Rampage is a brawler, openly admitted one too. For me, I believe technique will win a fight 7/10 times, because of the decision factor. Of course thats just me, but some of these upsets were because that particular fighter doing the upsetting was just where he needed to be technically.

I believe Dan is going to win the next fight, and if he does, watch out 205lb division. Especially since 205 is light heavy in US, and 205 was middleweight in pride. He will be at his best shape. Everyone underestimates him, especially his standup. His striking has improved alot. Oh yea, and that olympic class wrestling, cant forget about that.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Speaking of Lesnar earlier, who/when is his next fight?

[Kris P Lettus]

I talked to Hero and he stickied this for us.. My idea is, we can make a new one like every 6 monthes depending on how big it gets..

:y:

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah and I agree about Rampage but I am a Quinton Jackson mark..

What can I say??

:$

[Kris P Lettus]

UFC 74

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</td> <td> <table class="listing" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <th>Date Time:</th> <td> 08/25/2007 7pm PT / 10pm ET </td> </tr> <tr> <th nowrap="nowrap">Event Type:</th> <td>PPV Live</td> </tr> <tr> <th>Location:</th> <td>Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada
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http://www.ufc.com/Images/pixel.gif </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <input name="EventID" value="760" type="hidden"> <table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Randy Couture Vs. Gabriel Gonzaga </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Randy Couture</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>220 (100 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>15-8-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=4FF84196-1422-0E8C-341CD373F8F5E210.jpg (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=1)
"The Natural"
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"Napao"
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<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Josh Koscheck Vs. Georges St-Pierre </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Josh Koscheck</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>170 (77 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>11-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=4FFCDA26-1422-0E8C-34F4A5054393B180.jpg (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=369)
"Kos"
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"Rush"
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<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Kurt Pellegrino Vs. Joe Stevenson </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Kurt Pellegrino</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 8" (173 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>155 (70 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>16-2-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=49AD406D-1422-0E8C-9A71AF82DC0D4268.jpg (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=457)
"Batman"
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"Daddy"
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<table class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="data_title"> <td colspan="7"> Patrick Cote Vs. Kendall Grove </td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td width="15"> </td> <td valign="top" width="150"> <table class="data_table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Name:</td> <td>Patrick Cote</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Height:</td> <td>5' 11" (180 cm)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Weight:</td> <td>185 (84 kg)</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td style="font-weight: bold;">Record:</td> <td>10-4-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="185"> http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&s=5FB78CC5-1422-0E8C-34C6B165B1FFE0F5.jpg (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=346)
"The Predator"
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"Da Spyder"
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[HeartBreakMan2k]

That you're a Quinton Jackson mark :D

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Gabe
GSP
Stevenson
Cote

[Kris P Lettus]

Really looking forward to Cote vs Grove..

[Kris P Lettus]

Gabe
GSP
Stevenson
Cote
You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..

[Kris P Lettus]

Couture
GSP
Stevenson (even though I hate him)
Grove (this will be the fight of the night)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I'm not saying I want it to happen but I think it's realistic. And I'm not picking him because of what he did to Mirco because frankly I expected him to beat him, not with that kick, but I expected it. I think he provides a different fight for Randy than Randy has had to deal with so far. I want Cap to win, but I can see the upset.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

(also for the record Gabe is one of my favorite up and comers)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Randy is a monster, but at some point someone has to take the torch, Gabe could do it. He won't carry the company or be the rep that Randy is, but he could take over that division.

[McLegend]

Woah now it's no fluke if Gonzaga beats Coture. Gonzaga is a beast with plenty of skill.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

On name value alone, it's a fluke, it's an upset, it's every words that can go along with that. That being said, I think he can do it, hence why I'm picking him knowing most everyone is going to say I'm crazy, and knowing i'm picking him over like... my hero.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nothing against Gonzaga, but I don't think he can take Couture, specially after how good Randy looked in that clinic he put on against Silvia..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Silva isn't the same type of fighter that Randy is. I don't think Randy has fought someone so well rounded in a while. Hence why I think it's a problem match up and for my hero's sake, I wish Mirko had kicked Gabe's head off.

[Kris P Lettus]

I though Cro Cop was gonna be the heavyweights saving grace.. Thank God for Couture..

Fedor needs to come on over..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I knew he wasn't going to do well. I had a feeling the cage would fuck him, then they paired him against Gabe who I said would win. Again, had no idea he'd actually kick his head off, but I did expect a ground and pound victory.

That being said I was terribly excited about him coming. And yes, Fedor would be awesome.

[Jordan]

Fedor vs Coture would be godly.

[Rob]

You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..

He did more than catch Cro Cop with a head kick. He absolutely dominated the round. Cro Cop isn't exactly easy to take down either and Gonzaga did it with ease.

I'm picking Randy to beat Gonzaga purely because I can't go against him in underdog fights now after what he has done. However, this is a heart pick. Head says Gonzaga will win and should be considered a good favourite.

[Kris P Lettus]

He's only had like ten fights.. Randy will beat him with experience alone..

[Crimson]

I'll be pissed if GSP looses to fuckin Kos...I think Gonzaga has a hell of a chance to beat Randy..but I see Couture prevailing.

Cap
GSP
Stevenson
Kendall

[Apocolyptik1]

I see Randy putting on a wrestling Clinic, and keeping Gonzaga on his back and submissionless for 3 rounds before Gonzaga gasses and Randy pounds him out, or chokes him. Not to take anything away from Gonzaga, but I dont think either guy will look to stand up. Both want to go to the ground, where I think Randy's wrestling is far superior to Gabe's BJJ.

Gabe will probably set up another head kick that I think will lead to the first take down.

Rest of the fight card looks promising so far though. Kendall by submission in round 2 or 3. Stevenson by decision. Kos and GSP is a toss up for me, although I do understand why everyone would label him to win. If Kos puts George on his back, it wont be good for him. If GSP keeps it on the feet, it could go the other way. I think this will actually be fight of the night, with constant action. Probably going the distance and ending in a decision.

[Rob]

He's only had like ten fights.. Randy will beat him with experience alone..

Cro Cop has had 5 or more fights than Couture and Gonzaga whooped him.

[Jordan]

Coture/Gonzaga is one of the hardest matches to predict all year due to Gonzaga's upset over Cro Cop and Coture's age. Sure he handled Silva with ease but to me Silva wasn't anything to brag about necessarily, just fat guy with a good team. Gonzaga has a lot of momentum going in and I would think that Coture is the underdog because of his age. I am a Coture mark and he is my favorite fighter and is in the top of the Heavyweight division but upsets happen like foul balls in UFC.

[Reavant]

Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.
Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.

[Reavant]

You're seriously picking Gabe over Couture??

Sure he caught Cro Cop with that vicious head kick but I'm taking Couture.. Specially if Couture takes it to the ground, which will happen..
gabe is a better striker than cotour and more well rounded on the ground. Randy is a wrestler so he has excellent possitioning and can stay out of submissions, but gonzaga is real good in jujitsu and a good wrestler as well.

[Reavant]

Nothing against Gonzaga, but I don't think he can take Couture, specially after how good Randy looked in that clinic he put on against Silvia..
Silvia is terrible. He was good back in the day but for some reason he doesnt like to go out there and fight anymore. If its because he was injured then it must have been real bad because he looked like he couldnt move.

[Reavant]

Fedor vs Coture would be godly.
cotour might be the only man that can get into fedor's head. Fedor has said that he looks up to randy and that might be a big distraction if they were ever to meet.

[Kris P Lettus]

Silvia is terrible. He was good back in the day but for some reason he doesnt like to go out there and fight anymore. If its because he was injured then it must have been real bad because he looked like he couldnt move.

The Arlovski KO made him timid.. I juts hope he stays outta the picture for a long time..

[Reavant]

well yea but he still KOed Arlovski in the second fight. He really changed it up once he got the title. He needs to get back to the shape he was in when he first came to the ufc

[Rob]

Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.

And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?

[McLegend]

UFC 75 with Rampage and Henderson will air on Spike TV.

[Reavant]

And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?
go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year. In terms of the match he did what he should do, bring it to the ground... what does tito have to do with it anyway? get off his nuts. Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour. He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god. What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT. All tito has wrestled was a bit for junior college which california junior colleges dont even participate in the njcaa national championship with the rest of the country. If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again. Hes a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning. He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.

[Reavant]

UFC 75 with Rampage and Henderson will air on Spike TV.
BEST-NEWS-EVER

[MTH15]

Man I love the UFC. People say boxing is better but I say nah. I love seeing someone getting rocked and falling. But my favorate fighter is Forrest Griffin. But I cant keep up with everything. Im good at fighting UFC style

[Rob]

go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year.

I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.

[Reavant]

I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.
Well since you can only read one line of text Im going to break it up for you.

Brock train doubled the guy, then beat him into submission.

Double legs are big in wrestling.

The guy tapped in like 30 seconds. I cant believe your using this as an example.

Wrestling skill has nothing to do with submissions/jujitsu. Wrestling is all possitioning and technique. I.E Sean Sherk (perfect example of wrestling skill in MMA)

[Reavant]

In case you have learned to read more than one line of text at a time Im going to repost this:

Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.

He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.

What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.

If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.

Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.

He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.

[Vastardikai]

Since someone said something about the Cage Grabbing penalty, what about Tito's Ball Punch in Round two? Which was some time after the Cage Grab, and went uncalled.

[Innovator]

Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine confirmed for UFC 76.

Should be an entertaining fight at least.

[Kris P Lettus]

Liddell is going to KO him in the first..

[Jordan]

WTF at a dumb money move by UFC, I feel like I should have to pay to see Rampage/Henderson. Liddell/Jardine, not so much. UFC is genius though this is going to bring in such great fucking ratings.

[Jordan]

Liddell is going to KO him in the first..

Thats my bet :y:

[Rob]

In case you have learned to read more than one line of text at a time Im going to repost this:

Okay :roll:


Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.

No. They base that on his previous wrestling experience but his competing in the Abu Dhabi wrestling tournaments and what not.


He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.


Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you?


What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.

Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right.


If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.

But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.


Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.

His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.

He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.

How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.

[Rob]

Since someone said something about the Cage Grabbing penalty, what about Tito's Ball Punch in Round two? Which was some time after the Cage Grab, and went uncalled.

1 - Unless it's absolutely blatant, they never take away a point for the first low blow.

2 - Was it after the cage grab? I seem to remember him being taken down and then putting Rashad in the choke to end the round.

[Reavant]

Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you? It tells me that any wrestling experience gives you a huge advantage in MMA... umm duh



Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right. See this is just proof that you would was titos balls if he asked you too. There is no shame in losing to randy you nitwit. On the randy comment I dont know whether your being a smart ass or a dumbass but whatever.




But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.
ok fair enough



His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.
The guillotine is the most basic choke hold there is. Its almost instictual to apply it. Oh and that basic move DIDNT submit Rashad. Move On.


How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.8 years ago tito was killing people. Im talking about him now. And yea Frank actually beat 4 people Since beating Ortiz.

[Rob]

Final thought on this.

If the second round went five second longer, the ref was stopping the fight due to the choke. Difference between this round and the third where Ortiz let the clock run down whilst on his back. If the situation was reversed, I'd be defending Evans.

Guillotines might be basic chokes but that doesn't stop the fact Evans was passing out.

Tito has only lost to 2 world class fighters in 8 years. I'm still saying he isn't a top 5 205lbs fighter right now but he is FAR from past it. I don't know where you were going with Couture. All I'm saying is a Olympic level wrestler owned him. Ortiz's wrestling is fine until facing top level wrestlers and there aren't many of them in his division in the UFC. Aside from Liddell and Shogun, I'd make Ortiz a favourite against fighter in his division in the world. Yes even Silva in a cage with UFC rules.

Frank Shamrock barely fought in 8 years.

[RP]

Shogun vs Griffin now. That should probably be the main event.

[RP]

Final thought on this.

If the second round went five second longer, the ref was stopping the fight due to the choke. Difference between this round and the third where Ortiz let the clock run down whilst on his back. If the situation was reversed, I'd be defending Evans.

Guillotines might be basic chokes but that doesn't stop the fact Evans was passing out.

Tito has only lost to 2 world class fighters in 8 years. I'm still saying he isn't a top 5 205lbs fighter right now but he is FAR from past it. I don't know where you were going with Couture. All I'm saying is a Olympic level wrestler owned him. Ortiz's wrestling is fine until facing top level wrestlers and there aren't many of them in his division in the UFC. Aside from Liddell and Shogun, I'd make Ortiz a favourite against fighter in his division in the world. Yes even Silva in a cage with UFC rules.

Frank Shamrock barely fought in 8 years.

Tito dont beat Rampage.

[RP]

Can anyone post video of Nick Diaz's gogoplata on Gomi from Pride 33?

[Reavant]

AND THE TRUTH... SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Silva-Explains-Why-He-Turned-Down-Liddell-Fight.html

The following is from Wanderlei Silva's official website, translated and touched up by the gang at MMAWeekly.com:

Wanderlei Silva responds via video posted on his website to the allegations that he turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell for UFC 76 in September.

In the video Wanderlei stated, "I never said that I wouldn't fight Chuck. I've wanted this fight for a long time"

The former Pride champion continued, "I received a contract with two options, I could fight in September or November. I have chosed to make this fight in November. I was the first to want this fight, but they kept avoiding this fight. Now there's a lot of people saying that I have ducked Chuck. This is not true"

According to Silva, the timing for the fight to take place in September did not work for him. He explained, "I am in a moment of transition in my life. I'm going to move to the U.S. in a few weeks. I'm going to live in the U.S. and there's a lot of things happening, and I'm not focused on training the way I want to be. I always fought at the time the promoters wanted. Sometimes I did things I should not have done, but this time I won't do that anymore."

Denying he ever turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell, Silva said, "I want to fight chuck in November and make a huge show, and make it the biggest show ever...I have no doubts it's the most important fight of my life. I know Chuck is a great name in the U.S., we'll do a great fight. I think I must be in my best shape, so I want this time to train better to be in my bets shape ever."

Wanderlei asserted, "This fight is on, if he Chuck doesn't hide behind this mess."

[Reavant]

Dana white is an asshole sometimes

[RP]

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[weather vane]

So Sherk and Franca both tested positive for a banned substance.

This is just great for the sport.

[Reavant]

Mother of God...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4359&zoneid=2

Sean Sherk, the reigning UFC World Lightweight Champion, who last competed on July 7, 2007 in Sacramento, has tested positive for Nandrolone Metabolite. He has been fined $2,500. His suspension period runs from the conclusion of his bout on July 7, 2007 through the remainder of his licensing year which is June 26, 2008. Furthermore, he has been assessed an additional 10 days in order to fulfill the terms of his suspension (365 total days). The additional days will be added at the beginning of his next licensing year when he reapplies.

Normal levels of Nandrolone range from 2 ng/mL (average person) to 6 ng/mL (athlete engaged in rigorous activity). Mr. Sherk's reported level certified by the Director of Science and Technology from the laboratory that conducted the tests was 12 ng/mL. Both the "A" sample and "B" sample were tested and confirmed as positive.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

So Sherk and Franca both tested positive for a banned substance.

This is just great for the sport.

Actually I think this isn't a huge deal for the sport in terms of back lash. It sucks because two of your guys are out for a year, but it will make them more reputable than say WWE. UFC fines guys and bares them for a year, WWE slaps them on the wrist and says stop that. Obviously there's going to be some commentary on fighters failing, but at least UFC/Nevada are taking strong steps in cleaning it up.

[weather vane]

Oh yes I agree but this is a bad time for one of their champs to be failing.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Especially Sherk. I love Sherk :(

[Rob]

So Sherk and Franca both tested positive for a banned substance.

This is just great for the sport.

It is in relation to what happened recently with WWE.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, that was my point Rob. It will help make them seem more legit being that they are following through on their test.

[Reavant]

well at least the wanderlei liddel fight is still supposed to happen :shifty:

[Crimson]

damn..so I guess Sherk is gonna get stripped of his title? Huerta baby!!

[RP]

Huerta is way overhyped. Its only a matter of time before he gets beat by someone we never expected to beat him.

[Innovator]

That title would look nice around BJ Penn

[Reavant]

so we're just overlooking dana white being a lying peice of shit?

[McLegend]

Common knowledge that Dana White is a dick.

[Innovator]

Seriously you gotta be a fucking idiot to use a banned substance while training for a main event fight. You're going to be tested if you're in the main event. Stupid that both of them did it.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Dana White is the fuckin man FTW

[Crimson]

Huerta is way overhyped. Its only a matter of time before he gets beat by someone we never expected to beat him.

You're probably right, his last 2 fights have been close. But he's still one of my favorites..although he's still a notch or 2 below a BJ Penn.

[RP]

I dont think Dana White is a lying peice of shit. Liddel is coming off a loss, why would Dana not wanna make that fight. Its one of the only fights he can make concerning Liddel that would make alot of money. Everything else wouldnt make sense.

[Reavant]

Wanderlei signed for the fight but in november instead of september which wasnt good for dana. So he went on a smeer camaign and slamed wanderlei saying he backed out. Thats a bunch of shit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Crazy about Sherk and Franca failing that piss test..

I hope Chuck KO's Wanderlei if/when it happens..

[Rob]

Wanderlei signed for the fight but in november instead of september which wasnt good for dana. So he went on a smeer camaign and slamed wanderlei saying he backed out. Thats a bunch of shit.

Silva didn't sign for November. He agreed to the fight with no date and then said he wanted it in November. Dana doesn't need the fight in November, he needs it in September. It was never signed for a specific date.

And don't think for for a second that Silva doesn't need the extra time off in order to pass a steroid test.

[Reavant]

Well I could repost the article buuuuut it did say that he had an offer with two options and they were september and november and he said november.

Thats bull shit then that Dana said that wanderlei declined the fight then. Regardless of when he needs the fight to happen. He shouldnt have opened his mouth on anything OR not given wanderlei the option.


And don't think for for a second that Silva doesn't need the extra time off in order to pass a steroid test.
maybe. I wouldnt put it past him but the reasons he did say also made sense too.

[Rob]

You are right that Dana shouldn't open his mouth. Recently, his has said different things constantly about various things but a lot of it is old stuff people are reposting as new. He needs to use his site to make his words known in the world.

[Reavant]

He also needs to make a UFC ranking sstem public so everyone can see where the fighters are in terms of title contention. That way its not the same people fighting every time and people who are earning their way up get a shot.

It just seems that dana just puts people in there that are a money draw. Which is smart in terms of getting viewers and buyrates but thats going to wear thin sooner or later and he needs to fix it now before it gets out of hand.

[Rob]

I think the ranking thing is hard because fighters always refuse to fight certain guys and people will complain if say Shogun is fighting for the 205lbs on PPV when he is the 5th ranked guy or something. Also, how would they rank fighters and how do they introduce new guys from Pride and what not? No way will Fedor be fighting 5 guys before getting a title shot.

I don't think making drawing fights will wear thin at all. It never did in boxing or wrestling.

[Reavant]

well i dont know too much about how boxing runs itself other than is getting phased out because of the greedy promoters. In terms of wwe wrestling, you cant really have a ranking system because its all a work and the title shots have to do more with storylines and entertainment. If you mean real wrestling, there is no titles and shots. Its all qualification and titles are once a year unless its the olympics which is every 4.

[Reavant]

Id like to see something kinda like this: Depending on where you are in the card determines where you stand in terms of contention. Usually theres 4 or 5 televised fights on a card. if your the first fight, your 3 or 4 wins out of title contention. If your the match before the main event or if there isnt a title being defended and you are the main event then you should be 1 win from contention. Or something like that.

[Rob]

In boxing, the various alphabet companies who have titles have board members who rank fighters. It's full of political bullshit and can't be taken too seriously. Some bodies refuse to rank fighters who hold another world title. For example, Joe Calzaghe has been the best super middleweight fighter for the last 10 years and has never been ranked by the IBF, WBA or WBC because he was the WBO champion. He even won the IBF title in this time and the mandatory defense he would have had to have done was insane. I don't think rankings would work in MMA to be honest. Too much room for arguement and at the end of the day, it's Dana White's baby and he wants to make money. And the best way for him to do that is make the big fights and he does that.

[Crimson]

Shogun/Forrest being rumored on mmaweekly...nighty night Griffin.

[RP]

Shogun vs Griffin now. That should probably be the main event.

[RP]

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[Crimson]

Must've overlooked your post. Cant wait , september has 3 fight nights.

[Rob]

Must've overlooked your post. Cant wait , september has 3 fight nights.

Does it? I know they have the London show and the Liddell vs. Jardine PPV.

[Rob]

Forget that, they have a Fight Night show on Sept 19 too.

[RP]

I though Shogun vs Griffin was on the same card as Liddell vs Jardine?

[Innovator]

I'm pretty sure it is. Here are the cards taken from MMAweekly.com

UFC 75: SEPTEMBER 8, 2007 IN LONDON, ENGLAND

-Quinton Jackson (#2 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Dan Henderson (#4 Light Heavyweight in the World)*
-Mirko Cro Cop (#3 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Cheick Kongo
-Michael Bisping vs. Matt Hamill
-Houston Alexander vs. Alessio Sakara
-Thiago Silva vs. Tomasz Drwal
-Marcus Davis vs. Paul Taylor
-Jess Liaudin vs. Anthony Johnson
-Gleison Tibau vs. Terry Etim
-Naoyuki Kotani vs. Dennis Siver

UFC Fight Night

-Din Thomas vs. Spencer Fisher
-Mike Swick vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Chris Leben vs. Terry Martin
-Nate Diaz vs. Junior Assuncao
-Kuniyoshi Hironaka vs. Thiago Alves
-Gray Maynard vs. TBA
-Luke Cummo vs. TBA

UFC 76
-Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (#1 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Forrest Griffin
-Chuck Liddell (#3 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Keith Jardine
-Diego Sanchez (#6 Welterweight in the World)* vs. Jon Fitch (#7 Welterweight in the World)*
-Tyson Griffin vs. Thiago Tavares
-Jason Lambert vs. Wilson Gouveia
-Matt Wiman vs. Michihiro Omigawa
-Evan Tanner vs. TBA
-Justin McCully vs. TBA

[Rob]

Gray Maynard is fighting Joe Veres on the Fight Night show.

[McLegend]

Wow that's quite a lot of UFC events.

[Innovator]

Gray Maynard is fighting Joe Veres on the Fight Night show.You hear if it's main card or prelim?

[RP]

Nate Diaz vs. Junior Assuncao will most likely be the main event. I think Maynard should get on the main card tho. He's more known and probably more talented then alot of those fighters listed.

[Apocolyptik1]

Luke Cummo is fighting Edilberto Crocota, hopefully he is on the main card.

[Rob]

You hear if it's main card or prelim?

Prelim

[Mercury Bullet]

Unless his fight with Jardine was a fluke, Houston Alexander is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

[Rob]

Sakara can bang though.

[Mercury Bullet]

True. Jardine might not be a great fighter but he's good, and certainly no push over. And Houston Alexander swatted him like a fly. We'll find out for sure after the Sakara fight whether he's for real or he got lucky.

[RP]

I'm totally going to UFC 77 in Cincinnati. As soon as tickets go on sale i'm there. Right now theres a couple fights with the ME being Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin ( amazing ME ). I'm hoping they add Fedors debut, but if Couture beats Gonzales at 74, i cant see how Fedor doesnt debut against Couture. More on that later.

[Crimson]

GONZAGA!

[RP]

Doesnt matter. Couture outclasses him in everything and Couture wont be dumb enough to walk right into a kick to the face. Plus unlike Cro Crop, Couture is pretty well versed in the cage if you know what i mean. Gonzaga wont win this fight.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I still stand by my pick of Gabe. Though I do hope Randy wins, I pick Gabe.

[RP]

See the Russians want Fedor to have a warm up fight before he fights a big name in the UFC cause he's used to the 4 side ring and his team involves alot of communication. They're worried about the cage. So they want him to have a walk over fight to get used to it. If i'm Dana White, unless you're planning to hold Couture from action for about 5 to 6 months, you have to take advantage of the Couture train while its moving. You cant risk having Couture losing a fight before Fedor gets his shot. The biggest money UFC can dream of right now is Randy Couture vs Fedor for the title. So i dont think Dana would be happy with Fedor taking a warm up fight first. I'm not saying that Fedor is wrong for wanting to do so. I'm simply saying that Couture whos become a underdog hero this late in his career and nothing less then an absolute incredible story with what he's accomplished, vs Fedor who is widely considered the best MMA fighter in the world today. You cant just sit on that. You gotta cash in on that fight right away. You cant risk Couture fighting another fight after the Gonzaga fight and losing. Not to say he cant lose to Gonzaga. I just dont see it happening. If Couture beats Gonzaga, Dana will get Fedor signed and i dont see how he can possibly want Fedor having any other fight then the Couture fight. It will be the biggest fight in UFC history. It need to be cashed as soon as possible. While the Randy train is still moving full steam ahead cause if Randy loses a fight and loses that belt, he's probably retiring and they'll miss the Fedor vs Randy fight.

[Crimson]

I agree,but if Fedor wants a ' warm up' fight beforehand i'd give it to him, I mean what are the chances he loses right? lol. But I wouldn't have Couture fight after this Gonzaga fight, until Fedor would win his debut match..then i'd make the Fedor/Couture match. So Randy would go like 4-5 months without a defense but that's ok..when has Serra defended his title? Oh that's right never! He's juast keeping it warm for Hughes according to Dana.

[RP]

Serra and Hughes will be the coaches for The Ultimate Fighter 6 and then fight on ppv.

I think the idea is that they're hoping Hughes steps up and beats Serra so it'll set up Hughes vs GSP 3

[RP]

GSP is gunna murder Josh Koscheck. Matt Hughes couldnt even take GSP down, i dont know what Koscheck can possibly do other then get karate kicked in the head and knocked out.

[Rob]

Doesnt matter. Couture outclasses him in everything and Couture wont be dumb enough to walk right into a kick to the face. Plus unlike Cro Crop, Couture is pretty well versed in the cage if you know what i mean. Gonzaga wont win this fight.

Gonzaga is stronger, his BJJ is miles better and his stand up is better than Randy's. If anything, Randy is an underdog.

I'll make a bet with you if you are so convinced Randy will win though.

[RP]

First of all i dont think Gonzaga is stronger. He's not better stand up. Randy's clinch is miles better and his wrestling ( which imo is second to no one ) will keep the fight on the ground. And you act like Randy is a stranger to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He beat Vitor Belfort twice and Belfort BJJ was so much better then Gonzagas right now. If thats all you're basing your opinion on, then sure i'll make a bet cause Randy will win this in 2 rounds. Go ahead and make a bet.

[Reavant]

Realistically CroCop should have killed Gonzaga, but he came out like he was going to walk thru the fight which was not the thing to do against gonzaga. He didnt train in a cage, he didnt look like he warmed up much for the fight, and he came in with almost no intensity. He thought he was too good for UFC and he got put in his place.

Dont think Im saying Gonzaga isnt the real deal because he is awsome. I could see him beating randy just as much as I can see randy beating him. however I can see Randy having the slight advantage because he has all the experience. I will go on to say this and you can bet me if you like, if The fight goes past the third round randy will win.

also fedor is too professional to make his first fight a title fight. Theres no way in hell that he would accept it. He knows he needs a fight in the cage first and thats exactly what he will do.

[Rob]

First of all i dont think Gonzaga is stronger. He's not better stand up. Randy's clinch is miles better and his wrestling ( which imo is second to no one ) will keep the fight on the ground. And you act like Randy is a stranger to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He beat Vitor Belfort twice and Belfort BJJ was so much better then Gonzagas right now. If thats all you're basing your opinion on, then sure i'll make a bet cause Randy will win this in 2 rounds. Go ahead and make a bet.

Make the deal then.

[Jordan]

If Gonzaga beats Coture I bet Fedor's first fight will be against Gonzaga, and he will of course win.

[Reavant]

what? no if gonzaga beats cotour then fedor would be able to have more than one tune up fights under his belt. If cotour wins then there will be pressure for a Randy Fedor fight to happen as soon as possible.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

If Randy wins you cannot give Fedor a warm up match, you risk losing too much. They gave Mirko a warm up and look what happened to him, you can't risk Fedor coming in and getting beat before the title fight, you can't risk Randy defending and possibly losing the title against someone else. If Randy wins, then that has to be the next match.

[Rob]

Mirko was playing games. He wanted the title fight in his 4th fight so he could talk about a new contract whilst possibly being champion.

[Reavant]

lol what?

[Rob]

Dana White (and others) said he was putting off fighting for the title and wanted more warm up fights. Thoughts were he wanted to run down his contract and then could make a better deal if he was the champion.

[Reavant]

so ur saying he let himself get KOed so that he could get a later title shot?

[Rob]

Jeez can't you read? Where did I say anything about letting himself get KO'd? That would be the stupidest business move in the history of MMA.

I'm saying that instead of fighting for the title in his 2nd contract fight. he wanted 2 more fights before he fought for the title. If he wins the title in his 2nd fight, he had 2 more fights where he had to defend the belt before he could go to Dana White and renew his contract as champion. When you are the champ, your value shoots up.

[Reavant]

right i understand about the value... i am just making sure u arent implying he threw the GG fight so he didnt have an early title shot.

[Rob]

From where I was sitting in the MEN arena, I'd call Mirko an Olympic standard diver and an Oscar worthy actor if he threw that fight.

[Innovator]

From where I was sitting in the MEN arena, I'd call Mirko an Olympic standard diver and an Oscar worthy actor if he threw that fight.Especially with the leg twisting

[Reavant]

From where I was sitting in the MEN arena, I'd call Mirko an Olympic standard diver and an Oscar worthy actor if he threw that fight.
Thats essentially what I was going to say if you implied he threw the fight

[Rob]

Spencer Fisher is out of his Fight Night main event against Din Thomas. UFC has already replaced him with Kenny Florian.

[RP]

Sucks for Din Thomas lol

[Reavant]

didnt he get a staph infection or some shit?

[Rob]

Yeah. So did a few others in his camp.

[Reavant]

Awsome Wanderlei video. He answers a lot of questions.

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1233

[RP]

Awsome Wanderlei video. He answers a lot of questions.

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1233


yah what Silva said...


Silva will smoke Liddell and he'll smoke Rampage, but i Shogun has done that job by the time Silva gets his 2nd fight.

[Reavant]

dude silva is a stand up guy. hes going to kill everybody if he continues to train with randy.

[Reavant]

Andrei is getting fucked right now...

http://www.mmascoops.com/news.php?page=/189116901

Once upon a time, it goes, Andrei Arlovski was in line to fight for the UFC World Heavyweight Championship. Now? Well, he's still waiting to be put in line.

Joe Silva has confirmed that Arlovski hasn't even been mentioned when talk of the Heavyweight division comes up. He's already forgotten, it seems.

Dana White told Brawl Sports, in respect to Arlovski:

”(Arlovski’s) last showing wasn’t very great. That hurts a guy. It sets you back when you have a real bad showing like that, especially when you’re in a division that’s stacked.“

No matter his performance, he deserves a shot. He is, after all, a former UFC World Heavyweight Champion. That should mean something.

Arlovski's camp, as reported by UFCJunkie.com, has stated that they are still not on ANY card. A lay-off now stretching to the four month mark.

And this whole issue brings up one very important question: Why should performance matter as much as victory? Matt Hughes is on the verge of a title shot after one of his worst fights ever at UFC 68: THE UPRISING

I have yet to see a Bernard Hopkins, Jermaine Taylor, Winky Wright, or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fight that I would pay to see (even though I have paid to see them). Boxing is filled with plenty of men who love to win and love the winnings, but don't especially like to get hit to deliver a hit. Why should MMA be any different? Each fighter should have the freedom of fighting however they see fit. It's their lives and limbs on the line anyways, isn't it?

And I don't believe Dana White realizes that different fights create different fighters. Why would Arlovski, a very good striker, put a title shot and win on the line just to show off? He was fighting a Brazilian Jui-Jitsu black belt, after all. Why risk it if you don't have to?

Dana White also doesn't realize that the "Performance" excuse is supposed to be used in the WWE and TNA, not in a legitimate sport.

And if he wants to bring up awful performances, and with all due respect, why in hell did Gabriel Gonzaga get a title eliminator fight with Cro Cop, but Arlovski can't even steal a fight? If the UFC gave up on Gonzaga as easily as they're giving up on Arlovski, we would have never seen one of the great MMA stories in recent years unfold before our eyes.

This is a sport. Schedule the fights and let the men fight. Don't assume one off night translates into a bad career.

If he had to it over again (Hindsight 20/20), Arlovski would fight his last fight with Sylvia differently. But, then again, he did what he could.

And one final remark on what White said:

Since when was the UFC Heavyweight division ever stacked? NEVER! Sylvia was a champion nearly by default. Just because three new guys come in, doesn't mean the problem is fixed. The UFC's Heavyweight division has almost always been the laughing stock of MMA while PRIDE's Heavyweight division will forever be remembered as the best, the deepest, and the most competitive.

And before we all just blame the fighter, let's for once point the finger at the booker.

Silva has a very choppy record when it comes to producing great cards.

A striker versus a BJJ black belt is going to be a boring, long fight almost 80% of the time.

Like in Professional Wrestling, different styles make different matches. And when a great striker fights a great BJJ man, the results are usually yawn worthy.

Try putting Arlovski against Kongo? Or Cro Cop, which should have been the original eliminator, in my opinion. A fight against Heath Herring or even Nogueira could be classics. But if the UFC continues to live in "Vince McMahon Land", none of it will happen.

This situation reminds me of the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers. Every week, more and more detractors came out of the wood work. "They can't do it", "It's never been done before", and the like.

But then, isn't that why we play the games?

And isn't that why they fight?

This type of front office politics will KILL MMA if it's not stopped. If they won't use the man, let him go. I know a few MMA promotions who would love to have Arlovski shake up their heavyweight divisions.

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Article on CroCop/Gonzaga

http://www.javno.com/en/sports/clanak.php?id=71207

This is the story: April 2007, Saturday night in Manchester. Gonzaga was getting ready for a fight against Cro Cop, one of the greatest Ultimate Fight names in the world. Gonzaga, a guy who very few people have heard of and very few gave him a chance (apart from Couture and UFC official commentator Rogan), shocked the fighting world. With a victory, but perhaps even more with the way of victory.

-I cried at practices before the fight against Mirko.

He admitted that much. But, the Manchester story, the one which I have heard is even more interesting. Gonzaga showed up on torn jeans and odd tennis shoes to say the least. Not because of fashion.

-He was on the verge of bankruptcy; this was a fight for all or nothing. This is how he entered the match, as if this was his last chance in life- a member of Mirko`s team told me, who wanted to remain anonymous.

A chance which he took. One round, one round was all it took for his life to turn upside down. Regardless of the outcome, Gabriel Napao Gonzaga was guaranteed 30,000 dollars and Mirko 350,000, almost 12 times more. This is what the ratio was when it came to motivation, but in Gonzaga`s favour.

This was the Brazilian’s final chance to remain on the MMA scene, this is how he entered the cage. By the end of the evening, he became the man of the day and he earned 30,000 dollars of bonus for the knock-out of the evening. Also, he afforded a fight for the title next week (August 25) in Las Vegas and revealed how he got Mirko before this match.

-The plan was perfect. Who must not run away from Cro Cop, you are dead then. You have to remain close to him, put pressure, be aggressive. This is what Fedor did and what I did.

But, Gonzaga was not aware of the effect this defeat has made on the Croatian fighter. After he healed his wounds, we went on a “vengeance mission”. Best Thai boxing masters are at his disposal Dutchman Bonjasky, Yvel and their coach who has become Mirko`s coach in the meantime, Thai boxing legend Ivan Hippolyte. Jiu jitsu specialist Dean Lister is with him, the Dutch are returning again next week, the cage has arrived. And the motive is sky high.

We feel sorry for Frenchman Kongo, he got in the way, and we can say with certainty, in the wrong time. He crawled into some hole, there are no spectacular statements, he is working and keeping quiet. He is preparing for London and is aware that Mirko is eager and can hardly wait for a new fight in order to correct the poor April day.

But, at the same time, Minotaur cannot rest assured. He is supposed to be the next in line, a stop until the title fight and he has been on Mirko`s wish list for a long time now because of some unsettled scores from the past. Vengeance can be sweet.

Recovery which was extremely painful, practices to die for, arrivals of many famous and good sparing partners in Zagreb, Kongo as the next opponent, London as the next city in line and only one person to blame – Gabriel Napao Gonzaga.

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Awsome Chuck interview...

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content657.html

LIDDELL: "I FEEL LIKE IF I HIT YOU MORE TIMES THAN YOU HIT ME, I'M GOING TO WIN BECAUSE I HIT HARDER!"
By Percy Crawford | August 14, 2007



FightHype.com recently caught up with former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell to talk about his training for his upcoming clash with Keith Jardine at UFC 76 on September 22nd at The Honda Center in Anaheim California. You don't want to miss what he had to say about Jardine, Wanderlei Silva, Quinton Jackson, Shogun Rua and much more.

PC: How have you been doing my man?

CL: I'm doing great; training hard and getting ready.

PC: How is your training going for this fight and who are some of the guys you are training with?

CL: I train with the same guys I've always trained with: Glover Teixeira, Scott Lighty, John Hackleman, you know, my trainer, Scott Adams, Chuck Sandler and Eric Swartz.

PC: Before we get into the fight with Keith, you have MMAJacked.com coming out. Can you tell us about the site a little bit?

CL: It's coming along good. I'm trying to get a website where it has all of the things that I want on it. If I was a fan, I would want interviews with good fighters. It's a social network, obviously, but it's one of them things where I'm trying to connect with everyone. I'm trying to make it like a fight finder thing. I want to know records. I want to be able to go on there and if I'm in a strange town, know what gyms they have there and go talk to people and hang out. If someone is in a gym in Obispo, they could find out where I'm training at; or if they're going to Illinois, find out where Matt Hughes is training at. I want to have that information available on the website.

PC: Are you a big football fan and if so, I'm sure you are looking forward to the season coming up?

CL: I am a big football fan. I do Fantasy Football every year; usually a couple of leagues. I'm a Green Bay fan, except for my boys which is the Chargers. I have friends on the Chargers. Lorenzo Neal is a good friend of mine and as long as he is playing with the Chargers, I'm a Chargers fan. They're tough man. Neal is a bad man at fullback. Every back behind him has always gotten 1,000 yards.

PC: Yeah, I knew you used to play, but I didn't know if you were still into it.

CL: Yeah, I played in high school and 1 year of college.

PC: What made you give up football?

CL: It was going back and fourth between…and honestly, to tell the truth, they were trying to get me bigger and saying, "You need to get bigger." I was getting a lot of pressure to use something to make me bigger that wasn't natural. I was working out 6 days a week as hard as I could and I wasn't getting any bigger. It wasn't worth it to me. I was playing Division 2 football and doing steroids and that stuff was not worth it to me to play.

PC: Have you had a chance to get a vacation since the Rampage fight?

CL: I started training a week later. I started training again a week later and I found time for little things to have fun. I spent time with my kids; went to Disneyland and did that kind of thing and had a blast and stuff like that, but for the most part, I've been back to training. I just want to get back out there and fight.

PC: How important was it for you to get right back in the gym because John told me that you used to take a month or so off to just do Chuck?

CL: That's one of the things we've talked about. Me and John talked about it and it's one of those things where I'm getting older now and I just can't take that much time off. You need to get back in the gym and start training. You don't have to kill yourself, but you need to be back in their working. I think a week off is perfect for me. If I have an injury, I'll take a little more time off, but without injury, a week off and then get back in the gym and start training again. I love training anyway. I love sparring, hanging out with the guys and now, I'm making enough money in the fights that I don't have to do so much peripheral stuff. Before it was hard to pass up all that stuff because we had to make up for what we weren't making in the fight, but now I make enough in the fights to where I don't have to do that extra stuff. I turned down a $10,000 autograph signing for 2 hours, but it was to spend the day with my kid. I told them, "You know what, honestly, I'm with my son. I can't do it. I'm sorry." I can't do it and that was 10 grand for 2 hours. It was important for me to stay with my kid. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you have to understand, it's not worth it for me. I get people giving me a hard time for not doing seminars. You gotta understand, if you're going to take me out of my home away from my kids for 3 days, because I would have to leave on Friday and come back on Sunday, you can't charge 10 or 15 grand for that. I can't, because you know what, I'd rather pay you 5 grand to stay home and play with my kids for those 3 days.

PC: It has to be nice to finally be able to turn things like that down to be with your family?

CL: Well back in the day, you can't. It's one of those things that's relevant to what you're making to fight. When you're making 50 grand to fight you, can't turn down a $10,000 deal. When you're making the money we're making now, you can pick and choose which one's you want to do. I'm a nice guy. I tell everybody I've been doing mixed martial arts my whole life. I will do seminars for people. If I'm in town, I'm reasonable. If I have to be in town anyway, I'll do a seminar for you very reasonably, but if you're actually asking me to leave my house to come to your town to do a seminar and then go home, it's going to cost you a lot of money. If I have to be there for some other reason, I like martial arts, I like teaching and doing that stuff so we could make something happen; especially if I know the guy. I try to help out guys. If I'm in your town for something and I know you, I don't mind doing a seminar at your school. I did a private [seminar] with a kid up in Colorado one time. He wanted to get private lessons and I'm talking to him the whole time and I find out he's working 2 jobs and putting himself through school. At the end of the lessons, he asked, "How much do I owe you?" I said, "I don't want nothing kid; get out of here." How am I going to charge the kid? I was charging $150 per private? How am I going to charge this kid who's working his way through college and just excited that I'm there? It was worth him giving up his work and all of that stuff he does to pay me 150 bucks an hour. Fuck it! I had fun with the kid. I was teaching him stuff. He's a nice kid; great guy and now me and him are friends.

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PC: That's good to hear because that's the thing people will never hear about Chuck Liddell.

CL: Yeah, you know I'm listening to this kid say he's working 2 jobs and he's going to school full time; he's doing this and that and I'm like, "I can't take your money bro. I'm sorry. I'm doing okay! It was fun working with you anyway, you know?"

PC: You're doing more than okay now!

CL: Yeah, that was back in the day, but yeah I'm okay now (laughing).

PC: You said you took your kids out to Disneyland. Is it tough to do things like that being Chuck Liddell?

CL: Honestly, they take care of me because of that. The Disneyland people, I have a guy, he's not too bad, a good guy that takes us through the exits where we don't have to wait in line, which is a big perk. We were in the park 8 hours and my kids rode every ride they wanted to ride. They're spoiled. Like me, I'm spoiled. I have my assistant at my house. He's a buddy of mine that does all of my stuff for me and everyone always gives me a hard time about him taking advantage of me and he's doing this and doing that. He's been gone for a week. He went with his girlfriend to go hang out with his family. I can't wait until he gets back. I don't want to do all of this shit. All of the shit that he does, I can't stand it.

PC: You don't want to come home and have to pick up behind yourself huh?

CL: No. You know I'm out there training hard, working hard and doing all of this other stuff. I don't want to do all of this stuff. I want to be able to come home and say, "Hey bro, I need this done, this done and this done; thanks" and I'm on my way. He just delegates it to one of the other guys that works with us and all that stuff, but it gets done. In other words, if he's not here now, I'm running around doing the stuff. I hate this. Honestly, I don't know where half the stuff is in my house. I had to ask my girl where my hose was.

PC: What's up with the hot sauce drinking thing that you like to do?

CL: The thing is, I love hot sauce and it's one of those things from when I was a wrestler and I was cutting weight, I used to open the refrigerator and look at it. Really, the only thing we used to have when we were poor is hot sauce and it had no calories. You can grab it, pick which one you like and put some on your tongue and it would kind of fill you up. I wasn't hungry. It was just something to snack on and it had no calories. I like hot food. The thing is, now I get people sending me this hot, hot, hot stuff. Let me explain something. The kind of sauce I like is so good and so hot that your ears are burning, but you have to take another bite. It tastes so good, you could take another bite. The sauce most people are trying to give me is just hot. It just burns the hell out of you.

PC: Do guys ever try you in the streets?

CL: I've never had that problem. I've been lucky. I think I'm mean enough looking, tough enough looking and I'm big enough to where most guys aren't going to try me anyway, but it's just one of those things. I'm a laid back guy anyway. I've had guys say things where there were certain things I could say back and force guys to say something and get tough and there were other things that I can say that defuse it. I say the things that defuse the situation. I'm not trying to prove anything. I fought my whole life coming up. I fought in the streets. I couldn't even tell you how many fights I've had. Actually, we were talking the other day and you would be surprised how many good MMA fighters hadn't been in that many street fights. I talk to a couple of guys that say, "I've been in 2." Good fighters, fighting on big shows against tough guys. A lot of guys are just tough and can fight.

PC: Right after the Rampage fight, you wanted to come right back against Wanderlei Silva. Do you think we'll ever get to see that fight?

CL: You know, I don't know. I think it will be a good fight for the fans. I've always said that. I hope he's going to do it. Everybody keeps asking if I'm going to do it in December or something and no ones talked to me about it. I'm getting questions like, "So when are you fighting Wanderlei, in December?" I'm just like, "No one's talked to me about that."

PC: I've received emails saying you were fighting him in November.

CL: No way. I could turn around and fight him in November. They were talking about it and I said I would do it. If I'm healthy after this one, I would do it. I've done it before. I fought Randleman and Guy Metzger in 3 weeks.

PC: Have you spoke to Rampage since your last fight with him?

CL: Yeah, I ran into him. I like…I actually like Rampage. He did that. I have nothing against him. He beat me. He won't do it again. I like him, he's a nice guy. He's a tough guy and a tough fighter.

PC: It seems like you dislike Wanderlei kind of how you dislike Tito Ortiz. Is that the case?

CL: Not quite, you know? I don't have that big of a problem with Wanderlei. Tito, I have a real problem with. I just don't like that guy. It's personal. He doesn't know how to treat people good. It's not really anything he did to me. He dodged me; so what? He knew I was going to kick his ass. It's other stuff that he does that bothers me and how he treats other people. Wanderlei, I really think it's not Wanderlei. I think it's more of his camp and people talking for him; some business type of deal. I certainly hope so. I respect him as a fighter, so I'm really hoping it's his camp. Wanderlei has never ducked anyone, so why would he all of a sudden duck me? I just think it has to do with the people behind him.

PC: You're preparing to face Keith Jardine at UFC 76. How does it feel to headline a card in California?

CL: It's nice. It's actually nice to be in California.

PC: What do you think of Jardine as a fighter?

CL: I think he's dangerous because he hits hard. Technically, I think I'm going to pick him apart, but he's one punch away from winning the fight. You have to be real careful for this guy. You have to have good defense, something I've not been known for. I have a tendency to want to just get in there and bang. My trainer has been giving me a hard time about that. We've been working my defense and working my attacks. I just want to get out there and bang. I feel like if I hit you more times than you hit me, I'm going to win because I hit harder. That's just the way I feel. This guy has one punch power. I thought Forrest was winning that fight all the way up until he got caught. One punch power and he got caught and it changed the whole fight. Anybody that has one punch power is dangerous any time he's on his feet. That's the way I feel about me. You could kick my ass for four and a half rounds, but if I'm on my feet, I still have a chance to win. I have one punch power.

PC: One thing I felt you got away from, Chuck, is your kicks. You have very good kicks, but you haven't used them in a while…

CL: Honestly, I've had some MCL problems so I got away from using them for a while. My kicks are coming back though.

PC: Jardine is known for his hard leg kicks. How much have you emphasized that in…

CL: I'm here. I don't mind a guy wanting to leg kick me. I'm a kickboxer. That's what we do. If he wants to go leg kick for leg kick, I'm here!

PC: A lot of people are not giving Keith a chance against you. Do you see this fight going past one round?

CL: I don't think it's going out of one round. I don't want it to, but he's a tough guy. Everyone forgets, until he got caught in his last fight, if he beat Houston, he would've been in line for a title shot. Everybody forgets that. Any given day, if you get caught by a guy that has one punch power, you're going to have a hard time.

PC: You've always bounced back well after previous losses. Do you think you will be more cautious in this fight or will you try and get him out of there?

CL: I'm going to come out and fight my fight. I'm going to fight the way I fight. I'm not going to change the way I fight. I get asked, did my confidence take a hit? No! I made a mistake, got caught and paid for it. I already paid for it and now I'm back again. This fight, I'm not going to pay for that same mistake again. I'm not going to go out there and fight different. I'm going to fight the way I fight. I should come out victorious and make another good run before I retire. I want 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 wins. I plan on knocking him out. It will be another knockout win.

PC: Shogun Rua will be fighting on the undercard. Can you see Forrest pulling off the upset and would you like to fight Shogun if he's successful?

CL: That's going to be a good fight to watch. If Shogun wins, I'll definitely be interested in fighting him and if Forrest wins. I'd be interested in fighting him as well. I think Forrest can pull off the upset. He's a tough guy man. Don't ever count him out, he's a tough guy.

PC: Randy Couture is fighting a young, strong and determined guy in Gabriel Gonzaga. Do you think Randy could give us another one?

CL: I never count Randy out man. You can't ever count that guy out. It's going to be a great fight. I'm interested to see it. I don't like to make predictions, but you can't ever count Randy out.

PC: Chuck, it's an honor speaking to you as always. Good luck next month. Is there anything you want to say to your fans in closing?

CL: Thank you! Check us out. Watch the fight on September 22nd. It's going to be fun.

[Rob]

Just link it in the future.

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nah

[Rob]

Just be awkward then.

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http://xtremecouture.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/the-natural-and-the-axe-murderer/

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lol... pat militich is awsome

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Tim Sylvia to fight Brandon Vera

http://www.nokaut.com/?id=12&solo_news=995&lang=e&cur=eur

On a UFC 74 conference call, UFC President Dana White confirmed Brandon Vera will return before the end of 2007 and his opponent will be former UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia.

Brandon Vera last fought at UFC 65 November 18, 2006, beating former UFC Heavyweight Champion Frank Mir by TKO in the first round.

Just a month later, Vera attended the inaugural press conference of promoter Gary Shaw's EliteXC MMA promotion. At the time, Vera had just one fight left on his UFC contract and told the press his future was with "whoever wants to take care of me the best."

After that ExliteXC appearance and subsequent layoff from competition, rumors swirled that Vera was being punished by Dana White. Thursday (August 16th), White told the media that wasn't true. White said Vera's layoff was caused by Vera's management change.

Indeed, Brandon Vera is no longer managed by Mark Dion, nor does he train at City Boxing in San Diego, California, Dion's gym. Vera is starting a new gym in San Diego called Alliance MMA (www.alliancemma.com).

White also confirmed that Vera has signed a new contract with the UFC, but couldn't recall how many fights are included. White also couldn't confirm the date of Vera's return to the Octagon to fight Tim Syvlia.

Tim Syliva last fought at UFC 68 March 3, 2007, losing his UFC Heavyweight Title to Randy Couture.

[Rob]

That will be good.

[Mr Regal]

I have found it puzzeling that Andrei has been buried lately. Yeah he did have a shitty boring fight...but he won for fucks sake, that's the whole fucking point. And lets not forget this is the guy who was knocking people out for fun. Dana White is a fucking jackass.

[Rob]

He had 2 shitty fights. Arvolski is gonna come back with the anger of a caged animal.

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Hes been geting fucked right now. He had a bad fight against Sylvia and another in his last fight but between those two he knocked out his other opponent. Not to mention his last fight was against a guy that is a black belt in BJJ and primarily fights as such, and andrei is a stand up fighter. Fights with that combonation historically have been very boring about 9 times out of 10. Plus the guy ran from andrei and why should andrei go to the ground with a Black belt if he doesnt have to.

Not trying to argue with anyone, just venting really. My wrestling coach trains him in wrestling too and he was telling me that it was rumored that andrei was going to fight vera next, even andrei is out of the loop. I wonder who andrei could possably have now. Especially because the next match up for CroCop is apparently supposed to be Big Nog if he beats Kongo. The only other fighters I could see being worth it for andrei to fight would be either Herring or Mir. But they are not up to the level that andrei needs to be fighting to get a title shot.

[Mr Regal]

He should have been the opponent for one of the new guys coming in, dana white is just being an asshole because he had a couple of shitty fights. He should be put right in the mix with guys like cro cop (who lets not forget just got knocked the fuck out). Dana white get's pissed when guys have boring fights, he would do well to remember he is the one that books the fights in the first place. A bit of thought into things and boring fights would be less frequent.....imo

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your right but i mean not everyone is trying to put on a show. Sometimes guys actually want to win. Now I respect the showmanship, but when there is a lot on the line, its much smarter to play it a bit safer than to try something stupid and get caught. When it comes down to it, it should be about wins.

I think that they should have mini tournaments once a year to make a difinitive contender. They would still have championship matches all year, but they would then have a fighter that deserves it hands down no questions asked at least once a year.

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well speak of the devil...

http://www.irishwhipfighting.com/2007/08/irish-whip-exclusive-andrei-arlovski.html

Masson Liang: First off, how are things between you and Patrycja shaping up? Are you guys thinking of marriage anytime soon?
Andrei Arlovski: Everything is good with us, thank you for asking. We are in love, but not thinking about marriage.

ML: How has everything been going, as far as training goes? With a nearly four-month hiatus now, are you still keeping in tip-top shape and training even though, according to Joe silva, you don't have a fight booked?
AA: I always try and keep in shape. I take a couple weeks off after a fight and then go back to the gym. I get to work on technique for boxing, jiu-jitsu and wrestling and other things that need help. I also do some weights and conditioning.

ML: Many fans are wondering where you've been. When can "Pitbull" fans expect you back inside The Octagon?
AA: Hopefully soon. I was thinking September/October, but it is up to the UFC.

ML: Even though you won your last two bouts, even nearly knocking Marcio Cruz's head off, Dana White stated that you're last showings weren't very great and that it set you back. What are your feelings toward this?
AA: My opinion and my teams opinion is that I did a good job. It’s just the opinion of Dana White.

ML: Has UFC's treatment towards you changed in the past years and would you ever consider moving to another organization?
AA: I am very glad to be with the UFC and still have contract with them. I am UFC fighter now. Everything is good.

ML: What did it feel like to win the Heavyweight title from Tim Sylvia at UFC 51? Did you expect to win via Achilles lock?
AA: It was a very happy moment. I never know how I am going to win the fight but I always have a plan.

ML: In your words, what happened in your second bout with Sylvia? Did you think the fight was over after you rocked him the first time?
AA: I went out very confident that I would win. Yes I did... I thought when I dropped him on the ground I was sure I beat him again.

ML: Many critics said you weren't as aggressive in your fight with Werdum. Is there any reason behind this? Were there any injuries or were you just playing it safe and trying to keep the fight on its feet?
AA: I just follow instructions of my coaches and go and fight. Werdum is a very skilled fighter and I had to be careful with him on the ground.

ML: With PRIDE heavyweights, "Minotauro" Nogueira and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, and many newcomers (i.e. Gabriel Gonzaga) now in the UFC, how do you rank yourself amongst the UFC Heavyweights today?
AA: It is very good for the UFC that Dana brought great fighters to the UFC. I hope that one day I will fight one of those new, big names.

ML: Is there any one particular fighter you would like to fight in the UFC? Perhaps a rematch with Tim Sylvia?
AA: I want to fight with the best and become heavyweight champion again. For sure I would like to fight with Tim Sylvia one more time if it is possible.

ML: Many people believe you match-up perfectly with "Cro Cop." How do you think you match-up with him?
AA: I think that we match up very well and if the UFC wants us to fight, we will. He is a very good fighter.

ML: In the ever-popular discussion of "Who can beat Fedor?" your name often appears. What strengths do you have that could carry you to victory over him?
AA: Thank you. When I was a champion I wanted to fight with Fedor but I don’t know that it is possible now. He is a great fighter, but I don’t think he is unbeatable.

ML: You recently landed a role as a Russian fighter in the movie "Never Submit." Can you tell us more about that?
AA: I am not doing that movie anymore.

[Crimson]

I agree ..even though he's had boring fights lately, Arlovski should be in the mix for the title. Him vs. Nogueria would be the goods.

[Mr Regal]

your right but i mean not everyone is trying to put on a show. Sometimes guys actually want to win. Now I respect the showmanship, but when there is a lot on the line, its much smarter to play it a bit safer than to try something stupid and get caught. When it comes down to it, it should be about wins.

I think that they should have mini tournaments once a year to make a difinitive contender. They would still have championship matches all year, but they would then have a fighter that deserves it hands down no questions asked at least once a year.

I totally agree, the ultimate goal is to win. If your are winning all the time, entertaining or not, then you are the best.

My point is dana white seems to be all about the showmanship, but he is the one booking the fights between guys and then bashing them when they fight in the only style that will win them the match. Forgeting that it is all about the win.

UFC seems to be going in a strange direction, i don't really get the booking.

I agree with the tournament idea. I think if they billed it right it could do good money for them.

[Rob]

Sorry but nobody wants to see boring fights. Arlovski's last 2 fights were horrible. It's more frustrating because everyone knows he has exciting fights in him.

[Reavant]

you do realize that he had a fight between sylvia and werdum fights against marcio cruz where he KOed him in the first round right? so he hasnt had two boring fights in a row... hes had two boring fights total.

And it doesnt matter whether people want to see in terms of boring fights. It happens and theres nothing you can do about it. When you get to the top level of competition its going to happen. It happens in every sport and now that everyone is learning from everyone else, its happening in MMA. Watch the best in boxing. either Mayweather or Delahoya could have won that fight because they were so close to eachother. Watch actual wrestling like the olympics or ncaas. Rulon Gartner beat Corellon, the undefeated Russian who won 3 olympic golds in a row, by the score of 1-0 in 2000. Now was it exciting? Not at all, but their not going to not give him the gold medal because he had a boring match. Theyre not going to say a guy cant advance in a tournament because he didnt have an exciting match.

dana thinks that because there is so many dynamics to MMA that every fight should be awsome but thats rediculous. I understand that the fighters like to put on a show but this isnt wwe its an actual sporting event. Boxers and olympic wrestlers like to put on a show as well, but if they have a quality opponent, they need to go for the win. Sure they can say they 'went down in flames' or ' in a fleet of glory' but in the long run people only remember who win. the others fade off maybe with a little cult following but thats it.

[McLegend]

Marcio Cruz fight wasn't that exciting.

And his 3rd fight with Tim Sylvia has to be the more boring MMA fight of all time.

[Reavant]

how does a first round knock out not fall under the 'exciting' catagory

[McLegend]

It was a terrible knockout. It could almost be classified as a cheap shot. Now mind you it wasn't illegal, but it wasn't very honorable.

If I can recall Andre Arlovski wasn't really dominting that fight anyway. Didn't look all that impressive.

[Crimson]

Totally agree with what Reavant said. NFL is the most popular sport and there is a bunch of boring games. Boxing back in it's haydays had a ton...don't kid yourselfs here. They could probably give Arlovski a Lance Storm type gimmick and hype him up as a heel...then at least you want to watch to see if he loses :|

[Innovator]

Wanderlei Silva has signed with UFC, fighting in December

[Reavant]

http://www.ufc.com

The Axe Murderer officially signs with UFC set to fight in December

[Innovator]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Reavant]

jinks

[Rob]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Haha REP!

[Innovator]

WINNER AND STILL THE UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

RANDY FUCKING COUTURE

[Mercury Bullet]

Randy looked great in that fight. If he keeps his training up like he is now he is going to retire (again) as champ, I don't know who is going to beat him. Maybe Cro Cop...I don't think so though. Maybe Fedor....

[Mercury Bullet]

In other news I read Frank Mir won, glad to see him back and hopefully for real.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I hoped he could do it, but as I posted in this thread - I didn't think he could, but my god, Randy Couture is my fucking hero.

[Crimson]

Bring on Fedor..but im guessing Nogueria will be next opponent.

[RP]

I heard Nogueria is in line for Cro Crop. Bring Fedor now please. Where's Rob and his bets?????


BTW Renato Sobral can be banned from the UFC for life now thanks.

[Reavant]

Gonzaga is stronger, his BJJ is miles better and his stand up is better than Randy's. If anything, Randy is an underdog.

I'll make a bet with you if you are so convinced Randy will win though.
i dont think you should make bets anymore

[redoneja]

If anyone has a video of the Couture/Gonzaga fight, an uplod or a link would be tits.

[Crimson]

Anyone have a link to the Babalu finish.

[Rob]

i dont think you should make bets anymore

Why not? IT'S A GAMBLE! They don't teach you simple English terms in school over there?

As for my predictions - wow got one wrong! Shoot me. Until the broken nose, Randy wasn't winning the stand up and his BJJ has always been non existant. And going into the fight, the betting line only started favouring Randy once they had a ton of cash placed on him.

Have to edit - the prediction on the show I actually got wrong was I had Grove beating Cote. Post 47 said my main event pick.

[Rob]

I heard Nogueria is in line for Cro Crop. Bring Fedor now please. Where's Rob and his bets?????


I offered someone a bet they didn't take. Now if you wanna talk about predictions, how about starting at post 47 on this thread.


Anyone have a link to the Babalu finish.

Guida v. Aurelio - http://www.sendspace.com/file/vb5xo1

Mir v. Hardonk - http://www.sendspace.com/file/96l1du

Sobral v. Heath - http://www.sendspace.com/file/rchs6w

[weather vane]

yeah Rob you are right bad

do you even watch MMA ever?

[RP]

Why not? IT'S A GAMBLE! They don't teach you simple English terms in school over there?

As for my predictions - wow got one wrong! Shoot me. Until the broken nose, Randy wasn't winning the stand up and his BJJ has always been non existant. And going into the fight, the betting line only started favouring Randy once they had a ton of cash placed on him.

Have to edit - the prediction on the show I actually got wrong was I had Grove beating Cote. Post 47 said my main event pick.


You dont know what you're talking about. Randy was on his ass 20 seconds into the fight. He dominated him standing up and then slammed the shit out of Gonzaga. LOL His BJJ has always been non existant. Thats hilarious. I wont even comment. You do the work for me. Also, Couture wasnt favored on the betting line. He was underdog on about every book you can name. Like Bodog for instance had Randy at +105 and Gonzaga at -130. Everyone was pretty much picking Gonzaga.

And you know what, i knew you'd go to the nose injury as an excuse. Thats lame. When Rampage Jackson got beat by Shogun despite suffering a broken rib early in the fight, he announced that Shogun was the best fighter he had ever fought. Injuries obviously happen in MMA. Its unfortunate, but Randy was clearly the more aggressive. He clearly was on Gonzaga 20 seconds after the opening bell. He slammed Gonzaga and Gonzaga suffered a nose injury. It happens. Thats MMA. If you cant fight with an injury, you probably shouldnt be in MMA. Couture was taking Gonzagas best kicks and absorbing them. He even caught one.

It was clear as day Couture was winning that fight no matter what.

[Mercury Bullet]

Wow, after watching the Sobral-Heath fight, yeh, Sobral needs to be suspended and/or terminated from his contract. What a piece of shit.

[Rob]

yeah Rob you are right bad

do you even watch MMA ever?

Nope.

[Apocolyptik1]

Wow, pretty solid ppv imo. Main Event was immense, I had a bet on Couture through bodogfight and Rectal was right about the spread. I thought he was a solid underdog to bet on. It was close though, barely over 1 to 1 for Gonzaga.

I also had Grove picked to beat Cote, but I didnt care that Grove lost. Joe Stevenson had a good fight, and Huerta beat up another tiny 155'er. They need to put him up against some more serious competition. The low night for me was GSP and Koscheck. That fight should of been fireworks.

I think its awesome that Guida won the decision against Aurelio. Aurelio is a solid fighter. That win looks great on a record.

[Rob]

Couture would have beaten Fedor on that night in my opinion.

[Reavant]

given enough time to train randy can come up with a plan to beat anyone.

[RP]

I dont think Randy can beat Fedor. I love Randy so much right now. He's writing a story in this sport that has potential to be one of the greatest ever told ( if he meets and beats Fedor or perhaps Cro Crop ). But Fedor is no Tim Sylvia or Gonzaga and Fedor would murder Chuck Liddell. Randy hasnt seen anything like Fedor.

Then again. He who doubt Randy, is a fool so...

[Stickman]

Been reading that Couture won with a broken arm. That's insane if it's true.

Anybody got a link to the whole fight? Anytime I youtube a ufc fight I can never find it.

[Rob]

I dont think Randy can beat Fedor. I love Randy so much right now. He's writing a story in this sport that has potential to be one of the greatest ever told ( if he meets and beats Fedor or perhaps Cro Crop ). But Fedor is no Tim Sylvia or Gonzaga and Fedor would murder Chuck Liddell. Randy hasnt seen anything like Fedor.

Then again. He who doubt Randy, is a fool so...

Fedor has to lose. Nobody is unbeatable. Fujita rocked him and he isn't the best striker he has fought. And on the ground, anyone can be beat.

Been reading that Couture won with a broken arm. That's insane if it's true.

Anybody got a link to the whole fight? Anytime I youtube a ufc fight I can never find it.

When he blocked the last high kick, it broke his arm. And he still threw bombs with it! LEGEND! See what I can do about a link.

[Rob]

UFC has a conference call this Thursday with various fighters including MATT HAMILL. :rofl:

[Innovator]

UFC has a conference call this Thursday with various fighters including MATT HAMILL. :rofl:Thank you for making my day

[Stickman]

You know what was weird about that high kick. I was at a bar and the sounds was low (which is odd as it's usually really loud) so I could hardly hear a thing. But I swear I heard a loud "wack" with that kick. I thought he caught him in the face and was amazed Couture stayed on his feet. Then I find out he broke his arm.

[Rob]

Good thing it wasn't his jaw.

[Rob]

http://www.nodqforums.com/showthread.php?t=151919

Whole UFC show

[Jordan]

I dont think Randy can beat Fedor. I love Randy so much right now. He's writing a story in this sport that has potential to be one of the greatest ever told ( if he meets and beats Fedor or perhaps Cro Crop ). But Fedor is no Tim Sylvia or Gonzaga and Fedor would murder Chuck Liddell. Randy hasnt seen anything like Fedor.

Then again. He who doubt Randy, is a fool so...

I think Fedor will go down at Randy's hands. I would bet on it.

[Reavant]

. And on the ground, anyone can be beat.


.
except fedor lol...

I dont mean to be nut hugging but the guy is incredible on the ground. If seen like 80% of his fights and he can do things that are just insane. He out grappled Nogiera who is a jujitsu master by the way. if someone is on top of him from the north south or side control he simply sits up and reverses them like the randleman fight... which he was suplexed on his head from about id say 6-7 feet up.




Fedor will lose one of his first 3 fights tho! but it wont come from someone beating him but rather him getting a cut that is too bad for the doctors to let continue or him breaking a hand and the ref noticing it.

[Rob]

I doubt it. Refs will protect him now.

[Reavant]

well maybe with the hand but theres nothing that can be done about a cut and fedor bleeds easier than almost anyone in mma

[Apocolyptik1]

I dont think Fedor's first lost will come via the ground but from standing up. I dont care what anyone says, his boxing is very unorthadox and he throws a lot of looping wide hooks from his hips. Granted, you are supposed to throw from your hip, but he leaves himself way to open to punches down the pipe.

I expect Fedor's loss to come from either a head kick or a mean punch that will set him on his ass. His Sambo is classy, even to go as far as to outclass the best BJJ heavyweight in the world.

But to say that Fedor would murder Chuck is fucking dumb. Fedor fights a lot like Randy, wherein he uses his standup to bring opponents to the ground. Guys like Mirko and Chuck give Fedor his best matches because they refuse to go down on the ground and give him and advantage.

Now do I think Randy will beat Fedor? If Randy neutralizes Fedor like he did Gonzaga, its a great possibilty. You dont see much work out of Fedor in the clinch because he always works for a takedown. If Randy held him up against the fence with underhooks and worked his dirty boxing effectively, then he could very well wear Fedor down and eventually mount him and pound him out. I am sorry, regardless what anyone says, Fedor's conditioning is waning, and probably more so since he doesnt want to fight anyone his caliber and keeps hand picking his opponents. 5, 5 minute rounds are tough when you have someone like Randy on you that knows how to control the clock and uses his superior wrestling to wear opponents down.

Everyone at Xtreme Couture constantly talks about how hard it is to keep up with Randy, and how easily he can wear you down once he gets you to his level.

[Apocolyptik1]

Also, people who are blaming the broken nose for being the only reason why Randy won is starting to fucking get to me real bad. I keep reading it on a lot of MMA sites.

When you suffer an injury midfight, you can either quit or go on. Becoming injured in a fight, accidental or no, should not be something that someone can fall back on. Its just as easy to say that Gonzaga could have not gotten the broken nose by stoping the takedown that Randy used to break his nose in the first place. Randy finished his fight with a broken arm, and it still seems to not reach people, because they are so caught up on this broken nose thing

Fact is, if Gonzaga would of stopped the takedown, the nose would of never broke. IE Gonzaga lost the fight all by himself. This rant has nothing to do with anything anyone has said on the site, but I had to get it off my chest. I fucking hate the sherdog forums.

[Innovator]

The 16 contestants for the next Ultimate Fighter:

Matt Arroyo
Daniel Barrera
Blake Bowman
Mac Danzig
Paul Georgieff
Richie Hightower
John Kolsci
Troy Mandaloniz
Billy Miles
Roman Mitichyan
Dorian Price
Jared Rollins
Ben Saunders
Joe Scarola
George Sotiropoulis
Tommy Speer.

[Rob]

Also, people who are blaming the broken nose for being the only reason why Randy won is starting to fucking get to me real bad. I keep reading it on a lot of MMA sites.

When you suffer an injury midfight, you can either quit or go on. Becoming injured in a fight, accidental or no, should not be something that someone can fall back on. Its just as easy to say that Gonzaga could have not gotten the broken nose by stoping the takedown that Randy used to break his nose in the first place. Randy finished his fight with a broken arm, and it still seems to not reach people, because they are so caught up on this broken nose thing

Fact is, if Gonzaga would of stopped the takedown, the nose would of never broke. IE Gonzaga lost the fight all by himself. This rant has nothing to do with anything anyone has said on the site, but I had to get it off my chest. I fucking hate the sherdog forums.

Sherdog are cunts. FACT. Gonzaga's broken nose may very well be the biggest reason (certainly not only reason) Randy won but the fact is Randy caused that injury by pushing his style of fighting. Endurance wise, Randy would have won if Gonzaga didn't KO him by the 3rd.

[RP]

The 16 contestants for the next Ultimate Fighter:


Ben Saunders



I totally thought that said Bob Sanders

[RP]

I dont think Fedor's first lost will come via the ground but from standing up. I dont care what anyone says, his boxing is very unorthadox and he throws a lot of looping wide hooks from his hips. Granted, you are supposed to throw from your hip, but he leaves himself way to open to punches down the pipe.

I expect Fedor's loss to come from either a head kick or a mean punch that will set him on his ass. His Sambo is classy, even to go as far as to outclass the best BJJ heavyweight in the world.

But to say that Fedor would murder Chuck is fucking dumb. Fedor fights a lot like Randy, wherein he uses his standup to bring opponents to the ground. Guys like Mirko and Chuck give Fedor his best matches because they refuse to go down on the ground and give him and advantage.

Now do I think Randy will beat Fedor? If Randy neutralizes Fedor like he did Gonzaga, its a great possibilty. You dont see much work out of Fedor in the clinch because he always works for a takedown. If Randy held him up against the fence with underhooks and worked his dirty boxing effectively, then he could very well wear Fedor down and eventually mount him and pound him out. I am sorry, regardless what anyone says, Fedor's conditioning is waning, and probably more so since he doesnt want to fight anyone his caliber and keeps hand picking his opponents. 5, 5 minute rounds are tough when you have someone like Randy on you that knows how to control the clock and uses his superior wrestling to wear opponents down.

Everyone at Xtreme Couture constantly talks about how hard it is to keep up with Randy, and how easily he can wear you down once he gets you to his level.

Matt Linland might be one of the top 10-15 MMA fighters in the world. I dont think he was hand picked, but he gave up some height and weight.

[Reavant]

Fedor's boxing is fine. Its unorthodox but thats how pretty much all the greats are before everyone starts to copy their style most often then not.

I really dont think chuck would be able to touch fedore because fedor has too good of movement to be caught with chucks looping right and left hooks. Which are where most of chucks knock outs come from.

Fedor can be taken down, its happened b4. But the biggest problem is that guys know how much he bleeds. Guys in PRIDE always had to go for the mount to get off real good punches from the ground, but fedor was so good on the ground, that he could reverse them when they went to shift position. However guys in the UFC can just stay in the half gaurd or side position and drop hard elbows onto fedor and elbows are the easiest way to cut sombody. If someone gets him down and becomes real intense in dropping elbows, then fedor will be in real trouble.

[Reavant]

I dont think Fedor's first lost will come via the ground but from standing up. I dont care what anyone says, his boxing is very unorthadox and he throws a lot of looping wide hooks from his hips. Granted, you are supposed to throw from your hip, but he leaves himself way to open to punches down the pipe.

I expect Fedor's loss to come from either a head kick or a mean punch that will set him on his ass. His Sambo is classy, even to go as far as to outclass the best BJJ heavyweight in the world.

But to say that Fedor would murder Chuck is fucking dumb. Fedor fights a lot like Randy, wherein he uses his standup to bring opponents to the ground. Guys like Mirko and Chuck give Fedor his best matches because they refuse to go down on the ground and give him and advantage.

Now do I think Randy will beat Fedor? If Randy neutralizes Fedor like he did Gonzaga, its a great possibilty. You dont see much work out of Fedor in the clinch because he always works for a takedown. If Randy held him up against the fence with underhooks and worked his dirty boxing effectively, then he could very well wear Fedor down and eventually mount him and pound him out. I am sorry, regardless what anyone says, Fedor's conditioning is waning, and probably more so since he doesnt want to fight anyone his caliber and keeps hand picking his opponents. 5, 5 minute rounds are tough when you have someone like Randy on you that knows how to control the clock and uses his superior wrestling to wear opponents down.

Everyone at Xtreme Couture constantly talks about how hard it is to keep up with Randy, and how easily he can wear you down once he gets you to his level.
fedor is russian dude. that stigma about how they train isnt from the movies, its real. They are always in great shape. They might not always be the best fighters but theyre always in great shape.

[Mercury Bullet]

Renato Sobral has been released from his UFC contract.

Article Here (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8797)

Glad they canned this douchebag.

Sounds like he also may be facing a ban from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. That will keep him out of KOTC which also operates in Nevada. His career may be finished, and it probably should be.

[RP]

Good job UFC. They're lucky that incident got no media attention. But you know if something were to happen in the future. Some kind of in ring incident, people would look back and dig this one up and point to it and use it as an example. So Sobral had to go. You cant run the risk of not being able to tell people that you laid the hammer on this guy if something major happens years later.

[Rob]

Yeah Babalu had to go. No excuse is justifiable enough for what he did.

[Stickman]

BJ Penn held a choke on Pulver longer than needed. He didnt' get fired.

[Mercury Bullet]

BJ Penn held a choke on Pulver longer than needed. He didnt' get fired.

Yeh, but he did break it after the ref intervened. AND, he didn't hold it long enough to force Pulver to pass out, and then prance around the ring celebrating what a dick he is. Which is exactly what Sobral did.

[Rob]

I agree. They always say fight until the ref says stop so if he misses the tap out and Penn lets go, he looks like a stupid prick especially if he gets beat after it.

[Rob]

I have a spare ticket for the UFC show this week. Possibly 2 tickets if someone gets off their Californian ass and gets me a press pass for the show. Already posted this elsewhere so pm quick if you want it.

[Reavant]

UFC signed Fedor it will be announced on sat at the show.

[RP]

Where you reading this? I see it nowhere. Not even on MMAweekly. If its true and they dont give him Couture first, I could totally see them giving Fedor, Arlovski

[Reavant]

i got it from an insider that called CroCop being signed a week before it hit the news so i trust that its pritty reliable and the fact that Fedor just signed a deal with the affliction brand Extreme Couture which Im sure you can find in mma weekly

[Reavant]

and why the fuck did you change your name and avatar?

[RP]

I dont like my name. Never have.

Yah i read that he'll be at UFC 75 with Randy Couture, but his agents say he's not signed, but we've seen that song and dance before with Liddel/vs Silva where Silva wasnt signed but they announced the match. I'm curious if Dana is gunna blow his load and announce the match before the ink hits the paper again.

[RP]

Randy Couture vs Fedor is like a Superbowl for me. Seriously. I will cancel everything i have going for that day if it happens.

[Rob]

UFC signed Fedor it will be announced on sat at the show.

I was with a guy at the weigh ins today who had a press pass and is extremely reliable who asked Dana White if Fedor was signed and he said no.

Then about 2 hours later, we could have sworn we saw Fedor about 20 miles from the building in central London. I'm not saying it was him but he definately looked like him and he had people with him and I'm definately not saying Dana is lying because he is normally very truthfull on these things.

[Destor]

I'm really pumped for the show this Saturday. Hamill/Bisbing hsould be off the charts.

[Rob]

Bisping is gonna kill this fucker.

[Kris P Lettus]

I love "Dangerous" Dan Henderson but I love RAMPAGE more..

Can't wait..

[Kris P Lettus]

Is the guy fighting Bisping the deaf guy from the Ultimate Fighter a few seasons ago??

Also, WOOOOOOOO @ Cro Cop and Houston Alexander being on the card..

[Reavant]

I'm definately not saying Dana is lying because he is normally very truthfull on these things.
ummm no? there have been a lot of instances where dana has been untruthful, but Id think on this its def. for a purpose. Dana would be pretty dumb to give that news out to somebody so he could go and tell people such as yourself. then again maybe he hasnt signed and hes just going to announce him in order to pressure him into doing it. Fedor is supsed to be there today so you probably did see him and thats cool as hell.

[Reavant]

If they announce Fedor, his first fight may very well be against Arlovski. I know Andrei and he tinks that theyre trying to get rid of him and they think fedor would kill him and if that were to happen then UFC could use that as a reason not to resign him.

[RP]

Where you reading this? I see it nowhere. Not even on MMAweekly. If its true and they dont give him Couture first, I could totally see them giving Fedor, Arlovski

[Crimson]

Would anyone give Arlovski a shot at beating him? Glass jaw and all..I would guess no.

[Mercury Bullet]

Predictions for tonight:

Anthony Torres Vs. Jess Liaudin
Naoyuki Kotani Vs. Dennis Siver
Tomasz Drwal Vs. Thiago Silva
Gleison Tibau Vs. Terry Etim
Houston Alexander Vs. Alessio Sakara <--- Potential Fight of the Night
Marcus Davis Vs. Paul Taylor
Mirko Cro Cop Vs. Cheick Kongo
Matt Hamill Vs. Michael Bisping <--- Potential Fight of the Night
Quinton Jackson Vs. Dan Henderson

[Mercury Bullet]

Fedor-Arlovski would be a good fight for the UFC. UNLESS, by some freak accident Arlovski wins and they never get to set up Fedor-Couture (at least not with the prestige it would have). I could see them going straight for the big match up rather than risking a freak loss by Fedor.

[Kris P Lettus]

Arlovski has the potential to beat any heavyweight in the world, but he's been mad timid since Tim "The Big Slow" Silvia KO'ed him..

Also, my picks are the exact same as yours, Mercury Bullet..