MMA Thread

[Confused]

LOL I met that blonde tart too in Rococo's or something. I was doing some drunken body popping and she loved it :D Blind bitch.

Body popping? :rofl:

[Rob]

Yeah serious! I was doing it with some dancer chick in a bar and she telling me to take her spot on the stage. I was like "fuck off I ain't that drunk yet" :D Obviously later I was pretty drunk.

[Confused]

Yeah serious! I was doing it with some dancer chick in a bar and she telling me to take her spot on the stage. I was like "fuck off I ain't that drunk yet" :D Obviously later I was pretty drunk.

Rob, you are a man of many skills :lol:

I was very, very drunk! The amount of random people i 'tortured' with 'that lovely Oirish accent' were numerous. Fuck oh! :lol:

[Rob]

If I knew you were there I would have got you a beer. You going to the Dublin show?

[Confused]

If I knew you were there I would have got you a beer. You going to the Dublin show?

I wish. Not going to have the necessary dough though that could change within next month at work. If so, i'll be there with bells on!

You headed? if i land to it and your there i'll hold you to the promise of a beer :)

[Rob]

As of right now I'm not but that's cos nobody fancies coming with me.

[Rob]

Was that Rashad Evans in the Windows advert?

Sherk just beat Griffin on decision. 30-27, 29-28 and 29-28. I thought it was 30-27. Everytime Sherk got hit, he came back with a 3 or 4 punch combo. Better standing, better wrestling and better cardio.

[Rob]

Oh yeah, the Sherk vs. Griffin fight was fucking great.

[Rob]

Dos Santos KO'd Werdum in 1:20. Werdum looked huge coming in the cage and not in a good way. Far too much body fat and he just lost any title shot in had in mind. Beautiful knock out.

So glad. I can't stand Werdum.

[RP]

ROFL when Dos Santos's name was called and he made a gesture like he was gunna put Werdrum down and they showed Werdrum's face, I thought Dos Santos was gunna get killed. OOOps!

[RP]

Oh yeah, the Sherk vs. Griffin fight was fucking great.

I wouldnt say great, but it was good. Sherk was outstanding.

[Innovator]

Sherk looked great, Griffin looked pretty good, Sherk just looked better

[Innovator]

Clementi has to KO in a minute to back up his talk

[Rob]

I don't think Clementi was talking shit that much. I'm going to bed after this anyway. I can just about keep my eyes open.

[Innovator]

Kept opening up MMAweekly and getting Clementi having zero respect for Maynard, coulda just been one thing though

[Rob]

No wonder. Maynard fucking sucks. When has he had an entertaining fight? This one sucked a dick and it was entirely down to his stupid ass. Absolutely negative buys.

[RP]

I've never seen that ref before in the Clementi/Maynard match, but he needs to be fired seriously. He kept yelling " lets go, lets go, lets go". These guys are fighting on the ground, Maynard is showing excellent control and this dumb cunt ref kept threatning to stand it up. Seriously Dana White, find ref's that know how to actually ref. That was a fucking joke.

Oh yah, Maynard dominated.

[Rob]

I agree about the ref but Maynard still is about as entertaining to watch as cardboard.

[RP]

And Clementi was entertaining? Clementi didnt do anything in that fight? What would you have Maynard do? He scored takedowns/slams. Clementi wasnt even throwing when they stood up.

[Rob]

Clementi has had plenty of entertaining fights. Maynard hasn't. Takedowns and slams shouldn't count for shit if you do nothing on the ground. If you threw a punch and knocked the guy down and then he got right back up, how great was the punch really? Scoring points on takedowns on benefits boring wrestlers. Josh Koscheck and GSP use takedowns all the time but actually do something with them. Maynard barely threw anything when he was on the ground on top. Next to no submission attempts either.

[RP]

You cant be serious about going to bed. This Koshchek Alves fight has fight of the year written all over it.

[RP]

Clementi has had plenty of entertaining fights. Maynard hasn't. Takedowns and slams shouldn't count for shit if you do nothing on the ground. If you threw a punch and knocked the guy down and then he got right back up, how great was the punch really? Scoring points on takedowns on benefits boring wrestlers. Josh Koscheck and GSP use takedowns all the time but actually do something with them. Maynard barely threw anything when he was on the ground on top. Next to no submission attempts either.

Well he tried some chokes, but i mean, Clementi was in full ground defense mode once he was taken down. Tucking his head under Maynards arms. Not getting hit. That was a control fight. Thats what it was all about. I didnt expect bombs to be thrown by either once it was on the ground and Clementi sure as hell wasnt throwing any on his feet.

[Rob]

You cant be serious about going to bed. This Koshchek Alves fight has fight of the year written all over it.

Dude, I've had 4 hours sleep in 2 days and I'm looking after a 2 year old on my own!

I'm still awake anyway. I thought Koscheck was dead a minute ago!

[Nark Order]

I dunno, I thought Grey's fight with Rob Emerson was pretty entertaining; him knocking himself the fuck out and all.

[Rob]

I dunno, I thought Grey's fight with Rob Emerson was pretty entertaining; him knocking himself the fuck out and all.

The finish was :lol: And his fucking lying interview after denying his was out.

[RP]

Kos has some serious balls

[Innovator]

Good fight, Alves would have been my favorite fighter ever if he KOd Koshceck there

I got it 2-0 Alves so far

[RP]

I thought Koschek got the second round, but we know it wont be scored that way.

[Innovator]

I thought Alves landed more strikes, especially with the kicks

[Rob]

Thiago Alves is a bad man! I'd give him the next shot at GSP before BJ Penn right now. He very well might be the man to take out GSP.

[Innovator]

Daaaaaamn, Koscheck isn't walking right for a week

[Innovator]

I thought that knee ended him

[Rob]

I'd be surprised if Koscheck fights on December 10. He is limping like mad now.

[Innovator]

I would start to like Koscheck if he ever shaved his head

[Innovator]

Alves wins by unanimous decision, 30-27, 29-28, 20-27

[Rob]

I would start to like Koscheck if he ever shaved his head

Don't be stupid. His hair adds to his personality. He is just another cocky fighter without it.

Fuck BJ Penn too. Thiago Alves deserves the next shot.

[YOUR Hero]

HA!

Not a Koscheck fan.

[Nark Order]

I know some of you are giving Cote the benefit of the doubt here but i'll be mighty surprised if this goes past the 2nd round.

[Innovator]

Don't be stupid. His hair adds to his personality. He is just another cocky fighter without it.

Fuck BJ Penn too. Thiago Alves deserves the next shot.
agreed, Alves should be next

and GOD DAMMIT I HATE THE BLONDE JEWFRO

[Innovator]

Game time! SILVA COTE

[Rob]

I know some of you are giving Cote the benefit of the doubt here but i'll be mighty surprised if this goes past the 2nd round.

I think you have respect Cote's record in terms of his power and chin but Silva is faster, stronger and far superior on the ground too. Anything can happen in a fight and nobody has seen if Silva's chin is solid against a good puncher but he has to get caught first and the odds are he won't. I think Cote is very much up for this fight though and will come out all guns blazing because he has nothing to lose. Cote's chin is certainly going to be tested tonight though and I'd be surprised if this went the distance. Their records say a lot too though and guys like Lee Murray punched as hard if not harder than Cote and Silva dominated that fight. I'm saying Silva in 2 rounds.

[Loose Cannon]

Koscheck :(

[Innovator]

AINT NO SUUUUUUUUNSHINE

[Innovator]

THE HERB DEAN

[Rob]

Actually I'm saying Silva in 20 seconds :D

[Rob]

I'd give that round to Cote. Silva running and dancing the whole time did nothing for me.

[Innovator]

I would too, though that kick/knee was solid

[Nark Order]

Disgusting knee there

[Innovator]

AHAHAHAH he gave him the hand to help him up

I love Anderson Silva

[Rob]

I dunno Anderson Silva seems very carefree here.

[Loose Cannon]

I dunno Anderson Silva seems very carefree here.

the man wears Looney Toons slippers

[Innovator]

I'd give that to Silva, 1-1

[Rob]

Second for Silva but he seriously needs to start giving more respect to Cote.

[Rob]

the man wears Looney Toons slippers

Well the fight isn't in his living room.

[Innovator]

Silva better turn it on here, cause Cote is going to

[Nark Order]

Silva is way too good. Cote is done soon.

[Rob]

What an anti climax

[Innovator]

Well Cote turned it on...his ACL had other plans

[Nark Order]

Done

[Rob]

Man that was kinda gross looking.

[Innovator]

Hard to watch

[Rob]

Anderson Silva could not look more unhappy.

[Rob]

Very entertaining fight? What was Joe Rogan watching?

[YOUR Hero]

WTF

[Innovator]

Yeah he's disappointed

[Loose Cannon]

god what a downer

[Innovator]

Do they have to keep showing it pop out

[Rob]

By the way, I don't really care about seeing Cote fight Silva again.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, pretty gross. I guess he got a free "we'll never know what would've happened" card though even though he was clearly getting beaten.

[Stickman]

Anybody who could post the fights would be "the man".

[Loose Cannon]

dl it from pwtorrents. there's over a hundred seeders for it, so it will take like an hour tops

[Loose Cannon]

actually, they may have shut down any more signups for now if you don't have an account. they do that the weekend of fights sometimes

[RP]

I want my money back tbh. Silva wasnt even trying to fight. It was a joke. Atleast Cote was fighting. I dont know what Silva was doing, but he's no longer the best fighter in the world after that peice of junk effort last night. Give me GSP or even BJ Penn over Silva.

[Impact!]

Gotta agree with rp, that ppv was pretty terrible...though it might make the Lesnar V Couture PPV seem incredible in comparison...

[Fabien Barthez]

I want my money back tbh. Silva wasnt even trying to fight. It was a joke. Atleast Cote was fighting. I dont know what Silva was doing, but he's no longer the best fighter in the world after that peice of junk effort last night. Give me GSP or even BJ Penn over Silva.

How fickle do you want to be?

[Nark Order]

Silva wasn't trying to fight really because he didn't need to. I think he's honestly getting bored with a lack of competition. I mean, he was lollygagging around the whole time and still decisively handing Cote his ass.

[Rob]

I want my money back tbh. Silva wasnt even trying to fight. It was a joke. Atleast Cote was fighting. I dont know what Silva was doing, but he's no longer the best fighter in the world after that peice of junk effort last night. Give me GSP or even BJ Penn over Silva.

Fuck off you want your money back. Are you willing to pay more when you get a great main event? No.

Gotta agree with rp, that ppv was pretty terrible...though it might make the Lesnar V Couture PPV seem incredible in comparison...

I disagree with both of you then. It was very far from terrible. Sherk vs. Griffin and Alves vs. Koscheck were great fights and Dos Santos had a very exciting KO over a big contender. Aside from the main events, I would have swapped this card for the show last week in Birmingham any day.

[Nark Order]

I am way hyped for the next show. I'm almost more excited for Joe Daddy/Florian though than I am for Lesnar/Couture though. Pretty ballsy of Florian to take another fight when he could've waited 8 months for a title shot I'd say. Putting it on the line against Daddy is dangerous but I think he can do it.

Also, Couture is doomed IMO. A submission win is definitely pssible for Couture but I say Lesnar just overpowers and controls him to a victory. I think it will go all 5 rounds or be stopped late in the 4th.

[Innovator]

UFC president Dana White was baffled by Anderson Silva’s performance against Patrick Cote at UFC 90.

It was a fight where neither fighter gained any decisive momentum, capped off by a freak injury to Cote’s right knee that halted the bout early in the third round.

For perhaps the first time in his career, Silva bore much of the responsibility for inaction. The champion bounced from stance to stance for much of the fight, evading Cote as he attempted to close the distance. Save for a high kick and jumping knee to Cote’s chin in the first, Silva seemed a little bored.

The action picked up in the second, but it was at Cote’s behest.

Weaned on laser-guided punches and explosive knees, White thought timing might have played a part in Silva’s hesitancy to engage.

“I’ve seen guys who get thrown out of their rhythm, or can’t find their range, or just can’t seem to get off, and maybe that’s what happened,” White said in a video interview following the fight.

Even Silva’s attempt at sportsmanship took the UFC president by surprise.

“Anderson Silva’s the nicest guy in the world—he’s doesn’t help people up in the Octagon,” White said. “He’s a killer when that bell rings.”

White wasn’t the only one who was confused by Silva’s behavior.

“His corner guys were all lined up in that front row and they were screaming at him,” White said. “Screaming at him.”

Post-fight, Silva apologized to the Chicago fans, but for the injury, not the performance.

“Patrick should not be booed,” he said. “Because you don't what it's like to be in here and go through a training camp like we all do and he should be applauded.

“We were putting on the fight that the world wanted to see, an entertaining fight…but unfortunately he got hurt, but we'll be back again."

White was vehement that the real Anderson Silva had not shown up on Saturday.

“That’s not him,” White said. “Okay, maybe he’ll move around a little bit, but then he let’s those hands go.

“It was weird. Anderson Silva was in a different place tonight.”

[RP]

I like how people who apparently didnt even watch that BS main event tell me i'm fickle and to fuck off. Especially those same people who pretend to know what they're talking about in this thread all the time. Good stuff.

Silva dogged it. I paid to see Silva fight. I didnt pay to see him dance around and act like he was disintrested in being there. Apparently you guys watched a different fight. Maybe something was wrong with my feed.

[RP]

I am way hyped for the next show. I'm almost more excited for Joe Daddy/Florian though than I am for Lesnar/Couture though. Pretty ballsy of Florian to take another fight when he could've waited 8 months for a title shot I'd say. Putting it on the line against Daddy is dangerous but I think he can do it.

Also, Couture is doomed IMO. A submission win is definitely pssible for Couture but I say Lesnar just overpowers and controls him to a victory. I think it will go all 5 rounds or be stopped late in the 4th.

Stevenson is know where near Florian at this point. I think he's gunna get finished by the 2nd round. Florian is on a whole different level.

[RP]

One more thing. You're godamn right i wanted a fantastic Main Event. When they build this clown out to be a killer and a finisher and the greatest fighter in the world and the fucking asshole goes in the ring and dances around for 10 minutes, does weird stupid shit like bow to his opponent and then offers his hand to help his opponent off the mat DURING A FUCKING ROUND ( HELLO Andersone, do you know there's a fight going on? ), dont tell me I dont have the right to be fucking pissed and want my fucking money back. OK? Now you fuck off bitch.

[Impact!]

Come on, that "let me help you up" thing was quite possible the funniest thing ive seen in years.

[RP]

Silva wanted no part of Cote on the ground once he ate some elbows to the head.

[Jamstar]

Yeah, agree with RP, pretty disappointed with Silva dancing around the ring for the entire fucking match. Why didn't he engage Cote ?

[Impact!]

He thought they were having a dance battle. Patrick "The Leather" Cote just wasn't good enough...

[Mr. JL]

It was a weird main event.

I thought that Cote was doing a fantastic job at not giving Silva any openings to strike him in the manner that he usually can with opponents.

But there is no denying that Silva was moving around pretty oddly.

Is it because he is bored, and trying to make this fight more entertaining than his last 50 second fight? Or was Cote just not making any mistakes for him to capitalize on and Silva was trying to confuse Cote in trying to make him make mistakes?

The freak injury thing just compounded the odd details of the entire fight.

[Rob]

I like how people who apparently didnt even watch that BS main event tell me i'm fickle and to fuck off. Especially those same people who pretend to know what they're talking about in this thread all the time. Good stuff.

Silva dogged it. I paid to see Silva fight. I didnt pay to see him dance around and act like he was disintrested in being there. Apparently you guys watched a different fight. Maybe something was wrong with my feed.

I didn't see the main event? How do you know? Where you sitting my mums living room watching me or something?

You didn't pay to see Silva fight. You paid to watch a 3 hour show he was a part of. The fight was shit. Yeah big deal get over it. If you think the entire show sucked then that's your opinion. If you thought you didn't get value for money then that's fine. To say you want your money back though is fucking nonsense. Like I mentioned before, if the fight was the best fight in the history of the company, would you have thought "fuck I got a bargain on this PPV so I better give Zuffa another 50 bucks?" No fucking way would you.

I'll get you Dana White's office number if you want though and you can call them and demand your money back though. And if you are gonna keep bitching about things then you can do something about it and that's stop buying PPV's and stop supporting the product.

[RP]

I didn't see the main event? How do you know? Where you sitting my mums living room watching me or something?

You didn't pay to see Silva fight. You paid to watch a 3 hour show he was a part of. The fight was shit. Yeah big deal get over it. If you think the entire show sucked then that's your opinion. If you thought you didn't get value for money then that's fine. To say you want your money back though is fucking nonsense. Like I mentioned before, if the fight was the best fight in the history of the company, would you have thought "fuck I got a bargain on this PPV so I better give Zuffa another 50 bucks?" No fucking way would you.

I'll get you Dana White's office number if you want though and you can call them and demand your money back though. And if you are gonna keep bitching about things then you can do something about it and that's stop buying PPV's and stop supporting the product.

Uhhh I did pay to see Silva fight actually. I sure as hell didnt pay to see Sean Sherk fight. And obviously i'm not gunna literally try to get my money back, so wtg on having your VEL moment of this thread. And you're right, it is my opinion that it was a dissapointing show. Just like it seems to be, if i understand the tone of your posting, your opinion that i shouldnt have been dissapointed. Which IMO, makes you a blind asshole. Furthermore, WHAT THE FUCK IS IT TO YOU? Dont fucking tell me i should be happy with two midgets having a decent fight, a newcomer knocking out an overweight, BJJ heavyweight #1 contender, a welterweight fight that was pretty one sided and a Main Event aka Main Attraction aka a Anderson Silva who didnt appear to even want to be in the ring and looked like he had better to do. Do you realize how absurd the whole " would you pay more for a great main event " comment is? No i wouldnt. I'm paying to see a fucking fight. Whether its great or not, who knows? But I atleast deserve a fucking fight. Not some overrated, over hyped cocky jack ass who just gets in the ring and dances for 8 minutes. I didnt pay for dancing. I didnt pay for a wrestlin antics. If I wanted this junk, i woulda order a wrestling PPV.

Again what is it to you if i'm dissapointed? Get your mouth off Dana Whites dick maybe? Dont come in here telling me, or anyone else that they should be happy with that junk. Who the fuck are you? Seriously get fucking lost.

[Rob]

:rofl:

That speaks for itself. I couldn't possibly cunt you off more than you have to yourself. That was awesome.

[RP]

How does one cunt off? When you can reasonably explain that to me, i'll let this go.

[Rob]

I'd love explain all kinds of British slang to but I'm too entertained by you going loopy so please continue :kiss:

[RP]

Yah... i'm cutting myself as i type..

[Kris P Lettus]

Anti-climactic..

Silva looked to be pacing himself much more than in the past.. Even with the dancing and antics, I had him winning both rounds..

[Loose Cannon]

I have to agree with RP to an extent on the argument. Most fans who pay for a UFC PPV, or any sports PPV with a card for that matter, pay most of thier money to see the main event. It's always been like that. The main event is the main attraction and that's the fight most fans are paying to see. All the UFC fans that I know that pay for the PPV's rarely know most of the undercard fighters, but understand they'll get 2 or 3 nice fights out of it every time. The main event is almost always the meat and potatoes and I can understand why people would be dissapointed with the PPV, even if the undercard had some nice fights.

The Last impression stays with you the most.

[Loose Cannon]

but I never pay for these things anyway cause I'm never satisfied.

[Kris P Lettus]

You can't expect every fight to be great though..

[Loose Cannon]

oh yea, I agree 100%. you would be an idiot to. but I thnk the mindset of most paying customers is the main event "should always be quality" and if it's just ok, but not great, it's dissapointing to people.

[Loose Cannon]

you're going to have a lot of paying customers next month though who are only paying to see Brock. he's the focus. I just hope the main event is a good one.

[Reavant]

I knew this fight was going to suck regardless of the result, I just didnt think it was going to suck that bad.

When they said that Anderson was fighting Cote, I lost all interest in buying tickets to see it live. I didnt want to pay that kind of money to see silva obliterate cote in the first and of all the people to do it, I did NOT want to see Cote be the one to upset Silva. That would be terrible!

I did end up paying a little to watch it and I was not disappointed with the rest of the card. It was great, but the Silva-Cote fight was garbage.

[Rob]

I have to agree with RP to an extent on the argument. Most fans who pay for a UFC PPV, or any sports PPV with a card for that matter, pay most of thier money to see the main event. It's always been like that. The main event is the main attraction and that's the fight most fans are paying to see. All the UFC fans that I know that pay for the PPV's rarely know most of the undercard fighters, but understand they'll get 2 or 3 nice fights out of it every time. The main event is almost always the meat and potatoes and I can understand why people would be dissapointed with the PPV, even if the undercard had some nice fights.

The Last impression stays with you the most.

Nobody is saying that the main event isn't the draw. That isn't what you are paying the fee for though.

You don't buy a packet of a Starburst just for one flavour even if the Strawberry ones are awesome. When you go to the movies and the film is shit, you don't demand your money back.

And EVERYONE knows the risk beforehand of a fight being shit or some circumstance happening to ruin a show.

[Fabien Barthez]

Only paying for the main event is boxing mentality. UFC always tends to give at least 3 fights between division contenders, and with there being less weightclasses, people are generally wize to alot of the competators over boxing.

As for the fight. It wasn't entertaining to watch. I think Silva was 20-18 on the cards when it finished, and who knows. He destroyed Irvin before he had time break a sweat. Maybe he was just giving Cote the chance to try and beat him. Anderson Silva is a cocky arrogant dude now. It's maybe a crazy idea, but who knows... there could be any number of reasons why it went down like that. Only he knows.

Thing that got to me was RP saying he is no longer the best fighter in the world. Even though he was 15 minutes earlier, and he just got another win to improve his record.

Nobody who is considered the all time best in a sport has had totally consistant successful performance for the entirety of their careers. Everyone has gone through a bad spell or a few close knit losses.

And he didn't even fucking lose!

[Kris P Lettus]

He dominated the fight.. Looked to me like he was taken his time waiting on Cote to make a mistake.. Not the most entertaining game plan but it was def working and had Cote completely flustered and frustrated.. As you said, no one but Silva and his camp know why he went with the style but I mean, he might have planned on doing the same thing to Irving, but Irving made a mistake way before Cote did.. Never know..

He is still the best pound for pound fighter in the world so whatever..

[Kris P Lettus]

Dana White: Kimbo Slice Has an Offer to Be On 'The Ultimate Fighter' -- But He Won't Win

Posted Oct 26th 2008 7:15PM by Michael David Smith (http://mma.fanhouse.com/bloggers/michael-david-smith/) (author feed (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/michael-david-smith/rss.xml))
Filed under: EliteXC (http://mma.fanhouse.com/category/elitexc/), MMA Videos (http://mma.fanhouse.com/category/mma-videos/), UFC (http://mma.fanhouse.com/category/ufc/)

Asked about Kimbo Slice (http://mma.fanhouse.com/tag/KimboSlice/) after UFC 90 (http://mma.fanhouse.com/tag/UFC90/) last night, Dana White (http://mma.fanhouse.com/tag/DanaWhite/) said that now that EliteXC is out of business and Kimbo is looking for work, he's welcome to appear on the UFC's reality show The Ultimate Fighter:

Asked about Kimbo, White said, "He can be on The Ultimate Fighter. What's he done other than get 10 million hits on YouTube, what's he done to deserve to be in the UFC? Nothing. I don't consider him a real athlete. He won't win The Ultimate Fighter. The offer's out there if he wants to take it, but he won't win it."

When White was then asked whether he would focus an upcoming season of The Ultimate Fighter on heavyweights just for Kimbo, he answered, "We might do that."

Realistically, there's zero chance that Kimbo -- who made $500,000 for his loss to Seth Petruzelli this month -- would agree to appear on a reality show where the grand prize is a UFC contract that pays $100,000 a year. But White says Kimbo is welcome to try it out if he wants.

And, of course, White is correct that Kimbo wouldn't win The Ultimate Fighter. After all, Seth Petruzelli didn't.

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LOL

:(

[Impact!]

And, of course, White is correct that Kimbo wouldn't win The Ultimate Fighter. After all, Seth Petruzelli didn't.
ROFL

[Innovator]

Love Dana

[BigDaddyCool]

I love Dayna.

[BigDaddyCool]

BTW, Dana White comes of as a likable prick. He is a prick, but he is at least a prick you could have a beer with until he gets tired of you.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i34.tinypic.com/14ki05l.jpg

[Loose Cannon]

I want to see Dana White vs Kimbo Slice on PPV. make it happen

[Kris P Lettus]

I think Dana should pay Kimbo like $250k, under the table, to appear on TUF.. I mean, if he wins, awesome, if not Dana proved his point (better than paying Sean Gannon to fight in the UFC) and the ratings would be through the roof for the whole season..

[Rob]

Dana doesn't pay a lot of his top guys that money. He won't pay Kimbo it that's for damn sure.

[BigDaddyCool]

Fucking learning to be a fighter, I want to be a promoter.

[Reavant]

I think Dana is going overboard with the Kimbo hate. The guys not a legitimate fighter, but hes still a fucking human being. And while he may not be a very good fighter, hes fucking learning. Hes trying as hard as he can and just because he was pushed the way he was by bull shit promoters doesnt mean he deserves all that hate.

[Nark Order]

I agree with Reavant. All that 'exposed as a fraud' bullsit was a little much. Fighters lose, it happens. Even really good fighters get absolutely destroyed sometimes also. Rich Franklin got absolutely anihilated by Anderson Silave Twice. Keith Jardine was destroyed by Wanderlei. It's just apart of fighting. Do I think Kinbo is an awesome fighter? No. But to say he's a fraud because he got knocked on his ass once is a little ridiculous.

If he keeps working with Bas Ruten, I'm sure he can make something of himself as a fighter one day. He'll at least be able to be food for Lesnar I'd say.

[Rob]

He was exposed as a fraud though. CBS and Elite were pushing him as a big thing and he clearly isn't. And it totally is his own fault because he chose to start at the top. Same goes for Brock Lesnar if he tanks. Totally different to Rich Franklin who had beaten everyone in his career bar Lyoto Machida before losing to Anderson Silva. Silva is arguably the best fighter in the world and Franklin lost to him. No shame in it. Kimbo got KTFO in 14 seconds by a jab from a fighter who couldn't cut it in the UFC and who wasn't even important enough to even be booked on the main card on the very show he KO'd Kimbo on.

Kimbo is far too old to learn new tricks and he knows it. People were being paid to stand with him for fuck sake!

[Kris P Lettus]

I kinda agree with Reavant also in that I like Kimbo, just not EXC.. I think there's a place for him in MMA just like there's a place for any one trick pony..

Fighters lose, it happens. Even really good fighters get absolutely destroyed sometimes also. Rich Franklin got absolutely anihilated by Anderson Silave Twice. Keith Jardine was destroyed by Wanderlei. It's just apart of fighting.

Totally different to Rich Franklin who had beaten everyone in his career bar Lyoto Machida before losing to Anderson Silva. Silva is arguably the best fighter in the world and Franklin lost to him. No shame in it.

In that same line of thinking, to even begin to compare Anderson and Wanderlei to Seth Petruzelli is fucking retarded.. Two of the G.O.A.T. compared to a cross dressing UFC reject is lunacy..

[Nark Order]

I wasn't comparing them at all, you spaz. I'm simply saying that MMA fighters lose, it happens. And it does.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

How were you not comparing them??

[Nark Order]

The point I was making is that you can lose at anytime to anybody. It's apart of the sport. If you didn't like the examples I chose then fuck off and go play Madden.

[Rob]

Yeah but they lost to top guys. Kimbo didn't FACT.

[Nark Order]

Well, I'm sure I could've used better examples but I really believe that you all know what I'm trying to say and are just giving me shit. There have been many upset wins in MMA. Anybody can win at any time. People win, people lose.

[Kris P Lettus]

But losing to two of the greatest fighters in the world is quite a bit different than losing to a failed UFC fighter who's biggest claims to fame before this match was losing on TUF and beating Dan Severn who was 50 years old at the time..

No where near the same thing..

[Rob]

Well, I'm sure I could've used better examples but I really believe that you all know what I'm trying to say and are just giving me shit. There have been many upset wins in MMA. Anybody can win at any time. People win, people lose.

There have been upset wins. Seth beating Kimbo wasn't one of them. Anyone who was watching that show knew Kimbo was losing.

[Nark Order]

I'm not saying that I don't think Kimbo is terrible. I'm saying that you're a fucking moron if you think losing once to anybody makes you a bad fighter.

[Rob]

You calling anyone a fucking moron is rich dude.

Kimbo is the shits. Get over it.

[Nark Order]

There have been upset wins. Seth beating Kimbo wasn't one of them. Anyone who was watching that show knew Kimbo was losing.

To the educated fan yes, but in the EliteXC World no. EliteXC built Kimbo up to be some unstoppable monster and fans of EliteXC I'm sure believed as such. They built it up to be an upset if he lost. It was defeinitely an upset considering what they were paying Kimbo and what they were paying Seth.

[Kris P Lettus]

*sig*

[Nark Order]

Rob, you're being stupid. I think Kimbo is the shits. What are you even argueing with me about?

[Kris P Lettus]

You seem to be the only one arguing.. I mean, you said something stupid and got called out on it.. Instead of either being like, "my bad" or just walking away you started calling people names and you told me to go play Madden..

wtf

[Rob]

Rob, you're being stupid. I think Kimbo is the shits. What are you even argueing with me about?

I'm being stupid eh? Okay dude.

[Nark Order]

So, go play madden?

I didn't say anything stupid at all. You're just trying to overanalyze shit. I just said people win/people lose, it's the way the sport goes. You aren't terrible if you lose a fight. That's logic. Just tired of hearing the whole "Kimbo sucks and he'll never be good ever because he lost to a trained MMA fighter". Give the guy a fucking break. They marketed the fuck out of im to a point where nobody is going to live up to that hype. A loss doesn't mean he sould just give it all up.

[Rob]

He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.

[Nark Order]

And lol btw at EliteXC doing that. Seth Petrezelli has a record of 10 wins and 4 losses. 9 of his ten wins were by TKO. Prolly would've been a longer fight if they just let him take him down.

[Reavant]

He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.

thats a really dumb way of thinking. You dont stop learning just because you reach a certain age. The only thing that can hold a healthy person back from excelling at anything if simply how hard they want to work at it. Now I dont know how hard he works, but one would think that training with Bas would mean hes working hard.

Now I know you all flamed narcissus for compairing Kimbo to credited UFC fighters, but look at randy. Yes he was already good and has beaten lots of good people. But has he not gotten better and better the older he has gotten? He started out as old as Kimbo too. He was just a wrestler. He was good in the HWT division then got beat a couple times. Continued to work and refine his game. Then he dropped to LHW. did good and lost and refined his game. Came back at HWT and won the title. He even says that hes better now then he was when he was older.

Now Im not saying Kimbo is like Randy or anything like that, but the parrallels are there. Im not saying one day Kimbo will be at the level that randy is, but if he works hard enough, he could be pretty damn good one day.

I dont really like Kimbo as a fighter at all, but to knock a guy for going out there the way dana has been is pretty stupid.

[Rob]

I never said purely because he is old did I? It's a factor though. As is not fighting legit MMA fighters, fixing terms of a fight and having the chin of a 14 year old. Randy Couture was a world class wrestler before fighting in the UFC and by the time of his 205lbs comeback, he was already a world champion twice. Hardly the same.

[Nark Order]

I think the fight being fixed was more of an EliteXC decision than anything else. Protecting their investement. I actually doubt that Kimbo had much to do with that decision at all. Could be wrong, dunno.

[Rob]

Doesn't matter if it was in on it, knew about it or didn't. The fact is he fought 2 guys who were paid to keep the fight standing.

[Nark Order]

Who was the other guy? As I remember, the guy he fought before Petrezelli took him to the ground a few times. The big brit guy.

[Rob]

James Thompson. And he was asked and paid to keep it standing. That's why he hasn't been seen since.

[Reavant]

He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.

I never said purely because he is old did I? It's a factor though. As is not fighting legit MMA fighters, fixing terms of a fight and having the chin of a 14 year old. Randy Couture was a world class wrestler before fighting in the UFC and by the time of his 205lbs comeback, he was already a world champion twice. Hardly the same.

the other two reasons that you gave wont affect whether or not he could grow as an actual fighter with skill.

I didnt say they were the same at all, in fact i reiterated that a couple times. However in terms of starting mma in your 30s and being skilled in only one facet of fighting when they start, they share a common story. I said kimbo will probably never come close to randy's level, but i also said that doesnt mean kimbo cant be a good fighter.

[McLegend]

I don't think Kimbo really wants to be a good fighter though.

He doesn't have the drive for it.

[Rob]

the other two reasons that you gave wont affect whether or not he could grow as an actual fighter with skill.

I didnt say they were the same at all, in fact i reiterated that a couple times. However in terms of starting mma in your 30s and being skilled in only one facet of fighting when they start, they share a common story. I said kimbo will probably never come close to randy's level, but i also said that doesnt mean kimbo cant be a good fighter.

If your having fights that never go to the ground and never have any muay thai, you aren't learning to fight against those styles and thus not evolving as a fighter. And when you are having stand up kick boxing fights and have a weak chin, you have no hope. Both of those reasons are very much reasons for not growing as a fighter.

Come on now, you'd know better than anyone. How happy would you be fighting against guys who were told to keep it standing with you and not to use any muay thai because you hadn't trained for it? Are you seriously telling me that if you were in his shoes, you could grow as a fighter? Fuck I only do BJJ now but I've I wasn't rolling with guys better than me, I'd never learn the sport.

[Reavant]

your assuming he doesnt train for those at all. I cant believe that is the case if hes training under bas. When it comes to his opponents and how they are told to fight him, id assume he had nothing to do with the promoter doing that, but yes you can grow with that especially if your a fighter that doesnt know much. First it gives you successful ring time which is huge in a fighters head, then it gives him time to work his game. For example, he could have taken them down if he wanted. Its like moving up a ladder of difficulty.

For me I wouldnt want that starting my career off, but realistically you would get better if you used the opportunity to develop your game and impose your will onto people.

I cant believe that petrozelli or whatever his name is, hits harder than thompson and thompson hit kimbo a lot and never got him in trouble in terms of knocking him out. You cant say someone has a weak chin off of one freak knock out.

[Rob]

I'm not assuming he hadn't trained for wrestling or muay thai. They told Seth he hadn't trained for muay thai and obviously his wrestling is the shits or he wouldn't be fighting stand up only.

I don't think Petrazelli hits harder than James Thompson though. Thompson has some serious wins on his record. I nearly cried after the Don Frye fight it was so brutal.

[Kris P Lettus]

Anderson Silva did not deliver one of his typical performances against Patrick Cote at UFC 90.

Although he was winning the fight before Cote’s injury in the third round, the UFC middleweight champion was booed by fans for his evasive strategy and later he was even criticized by some for “disrespecting” his opponent.

“There are many people saying I was disrespecting Cote, but this is absolutely not true,” Silva told Sherdog.com. “My game plan since the beginning was fight five rounds, inducing him to commit mistakes and capitalize on that during the first three rounds and look for the knockout during the fourth and fifth rounds. It was working, and the biggest proof of that is that I almost didn’t waste any blows. I connected with a couple of good punches and knees, but unfortunately he got hurt and the fight was over. This is not my fault.”

Asked about a possible rematch with Cote, Silva left it to UFC President Dana White, who was openly baffled by the Brazilian’s performance.

“If Dana White believes [Cote] deserves it,” Silva said, “I’ll be ready.”

Silva also said he had not heard the rumor of a possible meeting with Chuck Liddell at 205 pounds.

“Thank you for the information, I didn’t know about that,” he told Sherdog.com. “Let’s see what [Dana White] will say.

In the meantime, Silva, now 8-0 in the Octagon, is planning a vacation.

“I’m going to spend one week in Tibet in a house of a close friend, and right after I’m going to spend some time in Thailand sharpening my muay Thai.”

[Rob]

He apparently asked to be put on the November show today.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, he said he wanted to fight again ASAP..

[Mr. JL]

Is this legit?

Because that would be fucking amazing.

[Rob]

It's true he asked but he isn't fighting on the show because Dana White said no as they don't have a fight for him. They are looking at February, probably at 205lbs against Liddell, possibly in London.

[Kris P Lettus]

I wish they let him fight Lyoda Machida so that boring fuck will stop being mentioned in the LW title talks..

[Reavant]

theyre from the same camp... its not gonna happen

[Rob]

Are they still? People have mentioned that fight down the line still.

[Reavant]

They were a couple months ago... and anderson said in an interview around then that he wasnt looking for the title at lhw because he wants his friend lyoto to have it.

[Rob]

They'd fight for enough money.

[Kris P Lettus]

I hope to God Lyoda never gets a title shot..

[Nark Order]

Are you not a fan of is evasiveness?

[Kris P Lettus]

He is boring as fuck.. I know where you are going with this BTW.. Silva pretty much pulled a Machida against Cote, but Silva has KO'd plenty of guys and had many many exciting matches.. Look at the reaction to his one Machida-like match..

Awful..

[Nark Order]

Naw, I wasn't even gonna bring up. Silva doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, I've seen enough of his fights to know that he isn't anybody to fuck with. I was going to bring up Bisping's performance the other day against Leben. Reminded me alot of Machida's stick and move style. I don't like it either. To me, anybody that is constantly backing up should have points deducted. Pretty boring, whether it is effective or not.

[Kris P Lettus]

Well, ring control is part of the 10 point must..

:dunno:

[Destor]

Naw, I wasn't even gonna bring up. Silva doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, I've seen enough of his fights to know that he isn't anybody to fuck with. I was going to bring up Bisping's performance the other day against Leben. Reminded me alot of Machida's stick and move style. I don't like it either. To me, anybody that is constantly backing up should have points deducted. Pretty boring, whether it is effective or not.
Are you saying being entertaining should be one of the criteria of which a fight is judged?

[Nark Order]

Are you saying being entertaining should be one of the criteria of which a fight is judged?

No, not at all. However, I'm not exactly sure how one can come off looking dominant while backpeddling the entire time.

[Kris P Lettus]

Landing more strikes?? Doing more damage??

[BigDaddyCool]

No, not at all. However, I'm not exactly sure how one can come off looking dominant while backpeddling the entire time.

Sticking and moving as been sound fighting strategy forever. You are dumb.

[Nark Order]

I guess I understand it, just particularly not a style that I enjoy watching.

[Fabien Barthez]

I did say Silva was just looking for someone to actually try and fight him, get some actual time in the cage.

I think at this rate, Anderson will be at the end of his UFC deal before next Summer, and with the unpredictability of top names at the moment, Dana is going to start spreading his fights out a little more. I would think about trying to get him on the Dec card though.

[Rob]

They already have 3 huge fights on the December show.

[Reavant]

Krisp get last nights TUF episode up

[Kris P Lettus]

I actually watched it on tv last night so I haven't looked yet..

BRB

[Kris P Lettus]

part 1 (http://mmahacks.com/embed/tuf871.html)

Part 2 (http://mmahacks.com/embed/tuf872.html)

Part 3 (http://mmahacks.com/embed/tuf873.html)

Vinny is a complete and total douchebag.. Actually, most of Team Mir, including Mir himself, are disrespectful douchebags..

p.s. Impact, tell me again what fights you were looking for??

[Rob]

Now Junie is turning on his own team? This dude knows how to dig himself a hole.

[Impact!]

Krispy - Shamrock V Ortiz 3, UFC 31 - 36 and Kazushi Sakuraba V Royce Gracie (Pride Grand Prix 2000 finals)

[Kris P Lettus]

I'll try to get those up for you sometime this weekend..

[Impact!]

You must spread some rep around yada yada yada :heart:

[Impact!]

btw does anyone have that Bas Rutten remix song (thing)? I think Rob posted it ages back and it's basically just Bas Rutten (I think anyway) talking about Bar Fighting with music in the background.

[RP]

.UFC should stop fucking around with old washed up Mark Coleman, take Shogun and give him to Anderson Silva at 205. Now that would be a fucking fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f153/mikethesnipe/3054_1225559221.jpg

Seth Petruzelli dressed up like Kimbo..

:(

[RP]

rofl

[Kris P Lettus]

Michael "I'm a tough guy from the South Side of Chicago but I carry a man purse" Wilbon dressed up like Kimbo too..

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Or Black Jesus..

[Rob]

btw does anyone have that Bas Rutten remix song (thing)? I think Rob posted it ages back and it's basically just Bas Rutten (I think anyway) talking about Bar Fighting with music in the background.

I'll upload it in a bit.

[Rob]

http://www.angrymarks.com/music/songs/mrcanada-mynameiselguapo-extended.mp3

Booyah

[Rob]

Chris Leban failed a drug test from the Birmingham show. Suspended for 9 months.

[Innovator]

Idiot

[Fabien Barthez]

They spent that whole fight putting over how much he has changed and he is now the epitomy of what an MMA fighter should be. Them words must taste lovely.

Denis Kang has signed with UFC. 18 months too late for anyone to really care though it seems. A good 185 chalenge for the Arachnid maybe?

[Kris P Lettus]

Chris Leban failed a drug test from the Birmingham show. Suspended for 9 months.

For what??

[Impact!]

Steroids

[RP]

Dana White should seriously consider telling Paulo Fihlo to take a fucking hike when they merge the middleweights. This guy is a fucking joke. He makes me fucking sick and i hope he gets knocked the fuck out in this coming fight.

[Impact!]

Out of curiosity, do they (they being Video and DVD stores in your country) sell the UFC 10 packs at all. As I bought UFC's 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30 and i'm uncertain whether they're actually legal releases...

[Rob]

Dana White should seriously consider telling Paulo Fihlo to take a fucking hike when they merge the middleweights. This guy is a fucking joke. He makes me fucking sick and i hope he gets knocked the fuck out in this coming fight.

Not gonna happen when they need middleweights.

[Rob]

I didn't even notice the thing about his missing weight. I kinda agree with you now. Once is bad enough but two major headaches now is not on.

[Nark Order]

Starting to get really pumped for Lesnar/Couture and Florian/Daddy.

I'm going to predict a Lesnar win but I don't really know if I believe it. Couture has the craziest way of evening the odds almost always when he's the underdog. I'm thinking that this fight is too much for him though. I could see Lesnar megaton punching him to victory or just straight overpowering him for 5 rounds but I can also see Couture slowly breaking him down. I'll go with Lesnar though.

I wanna say Florian is gonna steamroll daddy but that won't happen. This will be a good fight. It'll end in a submission or TKO for sure. Can't see it going the distance. Florian and Daddy are finishers. I pick Florian though, as he is my boy.

[McLegend]

O shit

[Impact!]

Wow...

[RP]

Florian will steamroll Stevenson.

[Nark Order]

I hope so but we'll see. Stevenson is no slouch.

[BigDaddyCool]

I'm picking Lesnar over Couture. Lesnar simply outclasses everyone else. Sure techincally they are in the same wieght-class, but Brock is just so i don't know what. I just hope Couture can at least test Lesnar. That is one thing no one has done yet.

[Nark Order]

BDC... Frank Mir beat Lesnar.

[Impact!]

He said test Lesnar, not catch Lesnar in a leg lock after he makes a rookie mistake.

[Nark Order]

Losing his first fight in the big leagues isn't a test?

[Impact!]

Also as much as I want Kenflo to go over Joe Daddy, I'd still much rather see Stevenson face Sean Sherk for the gold (If Penn wins Welterweight and vacates Lightweight) than Kenflo V Sherk again...And I really hope we don't see a Lesnar V Mir II match for the unification bout...

[Impact!]

By test, I gather he meant push Lesnar to a tough fight, rather than a quick catch Submission loss or a 1 sided beating (ala Heath)

[Nark Order]

Mir WILL NOT beat Nog. No way.

[Impact!]

Oh don't get me wrong, Out of the four fighters in this tournament I think Mir has the least chance of qualifying for the final, but this is MMA...if you know what I mean.

[Nark Order]

Yeah. Mir is sneaky sometimes so you never know but I predict Nog vs Lesnar. In which Nog will either win quickly or win by decision.

[Impact!]

Pretty much agree with you there. If it does indeed come down to Lesnar V Nog, I reckon it'll basically go down with Lesnar getting cocky and trying to Ground and Pound Nog, and Nog just waiting it out and hitting an armbar or something when Lesnar makes a mistake.

Though I still think alot of people are counting out Mir. As you said, he is a sneaky son of a bitch, and I can quite easily see the finals coming down to Mir V Couture.

[Nark Order]

LOL, I wanna see someone put Lesnar in an armbar and him just muscle his arm out of it. That woud make my day.

[Innovator]

i really wanna see a Nog vs. Couture fight

[Rob]

Also as much as I want Kenflo to go over Joe Daddy, I'd still much rather see Stevenson face Sean Sherk for the gold (If Penn wins Welterweight and vacates Lightweight) than Kenflo V Sherk again...And I really hope we don't see a Lesnar V Mir II match for the unification bout...

It's no lock that Sherk will get the shot at the vacant title. And maybe BJ would want to defend both. They plan on letting Anderson Silva do it if he wins the 205lbs belt.

[Reavant]

The Penn/GSP match most likely wont be for a title

[Rob]

Why not? It's booked to be for the title as of right now.

[Nark Order]

I hope if BJ wins, he just defends both. I do not want to get cheated out of a Penn/Florian bout

[Kris P Lettus]

Can't believe Faber lost like that..

[RP]

Also as much as I want Kenflo to go over Joe Daddy, I'd still much rather see Stevenson face Sean Sherk for the gold (If Penn wins Welterweight and vacates Lightweight) than Kenflo V Sherk again...And I really hope we don't see a Lesnar V Mir II match for the unification bout...

Florian is so much better now then he was when he first faced Sherk. Its like night and day.

[Reavant]

Why not? It's booked to be for the title as of right now.

dana isnt 100% on it because if GSP wins he cant get the LW title and if BJ wins it puts either the LW or WW titles in limbo.

[Juan]

Source: MMAWeekly.com

Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweight competitor Hermes Franca was arrested last night in Jupiter, Florida under suspicion of DUI.

The Jupiter Police Department reports that Franca was arrested at 2:38am by an officer who suspected the fighter was under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

Franca has had a rough year. He recently returned from a 12-month suspension from UFC after testing positive for steroids. He lost his comeback fight to Frank Edgar back in July and then defeated Marcus Aurelio at UFC 90: “Silva vs. Cote” last month.

[Juan]

http://www.mundosimpson.com.ar/futurama/galerias/hermes05.gif

[Rob]

dana isnt 100% on it because if GSP wins he cant get the LW title and if BJ wins it puts either the LW or WW titles in limbo.

It's 100% for the welterweight belt.


Source: MMAWeekly.com

Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweight competitor Hermes Franca was arrested last night in Jupiter, Florida under suspicion of DUI.

The Jupiter Police Department reports that Franca was arrested at 2:38am by an officer who suspected the fighter was under the influence of alcohol or drugs.


Apparently he wasn't charged. His management say he got pulled over but said he was falling asleep at the wheel or something through tiredness.

[Juan]

That's the oldest excuse in the book!

[Fabien Barthez]

Have you tried driving to Jupiter recently? Takes a while.

[Rob]

I tried it this weekend. I made it to Scotland then I quit.

[Kris P Lettus]

So ready for Couture/Lesnar..

The Countdown was sweet..

[Kris P Lettus]

MMAScoops.com has learned that Nick Diaz is scheduled to return to the UFC sometime in early 2009.

MMAScoops.com has also learned that the UFC is scheduling a Fight Night sometime in January or February and there are talks about putting Diaz in the co-main event position.

Stay tuned to MMAScoops.com for the latest.

woo

[Rob]

From UFC.com

SATURDAY, JANUARY, 31, 2009
LIVE FROM LAS VEGAS AT MGM GRAND GARDEN ARENA

Las Vegas, NV (USA) – In March 2006, top welterweights Georges St-Pierre and BJ Penn fought for the division’s No. 1 contender’s spot. St-Pierre earned a razor-thin split decision and went on to win the Ultimate Fighting Championship® welterweight title. Penn dropped to the lightweight division and won the organization’s 155-pound title.

Now they’re about to do it again. But this time, there’s much more at stake.

UFC® lightweight champion BJ Penn looks to be the first fighter in history to hold two UFC championships at the same time when he faces Georges St-Pierre for the UFC welterweight championship at UFC 94: ST-PIERRE VS. PENN 2, live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas on Saturday, January 31, 2009.

Two champions, two of the best in the world, pound-for-pound, and this time – two more rounds for the welterweight championship.

“This may be the most anticipated rematch in UFC history,” said Dana White, UFC President. “Their first fight was an epic battle of two of the best pound for pound fighters in the sport. After that fight, St-Pierre would go on to win the UFC World Welterweight title and Penn would go on to win the UFC World Lightweight title.

Now these two champions meet again with a lot of pride and St-Pierre's title on the line. This fight will be talked about for years to come.”

[Fabien Barthez]

So, were you right, Rob?

Werdum has been released. What happens in the Heavy's after this little tournement is over is anybodies guess now.

[Innovator]

The countdown was awesome last night

[Rob]

So, were you right, Rob?

Werdum has been released. What happens in the Heavy's after this little tournement is over is anybodies guess now.

Werdum wasn't getting a shot anyway after just having his arse handed to him.

Here's a link to the countdown show too for anyone who wants it.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Countdown_to_UFC_91_Couture_vs_Lesnar_Part_1?vid=10002091&tid=107

[Kris P Lettus]

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"You know what I'm saying??"

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Kris P Lettus]

Nick Diaz's new rap song..

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[Nark Order]

I am pretty perplexed as to how this Lesnar/Couture business is going to go. I really wanna bet on this fight but I'm afraid to bet for either party.

[Kris P Lettus]

That ius ridiculous.. Why would you bet on a match that's like the hardest to predict outta the whole history of MMA??

[Nark Order]

Probably because I'm a horrible gambler. Also, if I actually won I'd feel some sort of accomplishment. If I do bet, I'll prolly bet on Brock seeing as how I'll get more money if he wins. And I secretly think he's going to win.

[Rob]

That ius ridiculous.. Why would you bet on a match that's like the hardest to predict outta the whole history of MMA??

Because that's why it's called gambling. If it wasn't, it would be free money.

No offence but it doesn't surprise me why Americans aren't allowed to gamble :p

[Kris P Lettus]

I'm not gonna bet on a match I can't even argue myself to one side or the other though..

[Rob]

Bobby Lashley vs. Joshua Franklin set for Mixed Fighting Alliance card
by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Nov 12, 2008 at 12:50 pm ET
Former collegiate wrestling standout and WWE superstar Bobby Lashley (0-0) will make his professional MMA debut for the Mixed Fighting Alliance on Dec. 13 in Miami.

Officials from the Florida-based organization recently confirmed Lashley's bout with fellow first-time fighter Joshua Franklin (0-0) with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).

Lashley will make the appearance while on loan from the American Fight League, who have elected to suspend operations until 2009.

Lashley, a two-time NAIA national wrestling champion while at Missouri Valley College, also won two armed-forces titles while serving in the U.S. Army. The 32-year-old signed with the WWE in 2003 and debuted with the organization in 2005. His character won titles in both the WWE and Extreme Championship Wrestling organizations.

Lashley signed with the American Fight League in May. The former WWE superstar told MMAjunkie.com then that he was taking his time in preparation for his MMA debut.

"I'm putting it all together," Lashley said. "I'm going into this thing not with just overpowering my own style with [wrestling]. I'm actually learning everything else. I'm learning the jiu-jitsu; I'm taking it from the basics. I'm learning my kickboxing, my boxing. I'm getting the whole game tied together. So when I debut, it's not going to be a wrestler trying to do MMA. It's going to be a fighter."

In addition to Lashley vs. Franklin, "Mixed Fighting Alliance: There Will Be Blood" will be headlined by Jeff Monson (26-8) vs Ricco Rodriguez (34-9). That bout will represent a rematch from "UFC 35: Throwdown." That 2002 fight saw Rodriguez, who was on a nine-fight win streak at the time, victorious with a third-round TKO.

Tickets for "Mixed Fighting Alliance: There Will Be Blood," which will be held at The American Airlines Arena in Miami, are currently on sale and range from $30 to $200.

[Impact!]

Cool

[Fabien Barthez]

That ius ridiculous.. Why would you bet on a match that's like the hardest to predict outta the whole history of MMA??

That is so funny.

Do you only bet on inevitable results? You must make nearly 5% of your stake doing that.

I have £25 to put on whoever takes my fancy when I walk in WillHill. I'm edging towards Randy right now.

[Rob]

Do Willie Hill's take bets on MMA?

[Reavant]

Krispy only loses bets to himself

[Kris P Lettus]

Even in other "big" fights like Liddell/Couture, Rampage/Forrest I could talk myself into a winner.. This fight every time I convince myself that Lesnar will win due to his over powering size and strength, I decide that Randy will some how take Brock out of his game plan and impose his will..

Nothing in MMA is a sure thing there ,Fabien..

If I was betting on this card, I'd take KenFlo over Stevenson..

[Innovator]

Kryzsyzkoff or however you spell his name looks good, both semis look to be dogfights

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, I don't really like Krystoff's personality, but he is def a beast in the ring.. I like Bader more though..

[Kris P Lettus]

Name Kenneth Allen
Record 1 - 27 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 1 Submissions ( 100 %)

Losses 3 (T)KOs ( 11.11 %)
21 Submissions ( 77.78 %)
2 Decisions ( 7.41 %)
1 Other ( 3.7 %)
Height 5'8" (173cm)
Weight 170lbs (78kg)
City Chicago
Country USA

Sherdog Store List Kenneth Allen Products




Result Opponent Method Event Title Date Round Time


Loss Ryan Scheeper Submission (Armbar) FCC 34 - Freestyle Combat Challenge 34 3/29/2008 1 N/A
Loss Ryan Thomas Submission (Triangle Choke) EC 89 - Extreme Challenge 89 2/23/2008 1 N/A
Loss Mike Stumpf Submission (Rear Naked Choke) EC 86 - Extreme Challenge 86 1/26/2008 1 0:54
Loss Gerald Meerschaert Submission (Triangle Choke) FCC 32 - Freestyle Combat Challenge 32 1/12/2008 1 N/A
Loss Dennis Anderson Submission (Guillotine Choke) MT 12 - Madtown Throwdown 12 7/28/2007 1 1:24
Loss Mike O'Malley Submission (Triangle Choke) MM - Monroe Meltdown 6/16/2007 N/A N/A
Loss Jesse Sanders Submission (Guillotine Choke) IC 36 - Iowa Challenge 36 4/28/2007 1 1:56
Loss Jeremiah Billington Submission (Triangle Choke) RCF 5 - Revolution Cage Fighting 5 3/31/2007 2 1:34
Loss Dominic Brown Submission (Armbar) TFC 7 - Red Rumble 3/23/2007 N/A N/A
Loss Brandon Munson Submission (Triangle Choke) CFC 2 - Explosion 3/10/2007 1 N/A
Loss Jason Allar Submission (Choke) GFS - No Guts, No Glory 2/17/2007 2 1:14
Loss Jeremiah Billington Submission (Triangle Choke) RCF 4 - Revolution Cage Fighting 4 12/2/2006 1 1:43
Loss Derrick Noble TKO ISCF - Peoria 11/4/2006 1 1:53
Loss Joe Jordan N/A EC 71 - Extreme Challenge 71 10/7/2006 1 N/A
Loss Aaron Praschak Submission (Triangle Choke) Brutaal - Fight Night 9/29/2006 N/A N/A
Win Cory Simpson Submission (Rear Naked Choke) MCC 4 - The Rematch 7/15/2006 1 0:54
Loss Tyrone Roberts Decision (Unanimous) IC - Iowa Challenge 6/10/2006 3 3:00
Loss Brian Green Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) MCC 3 - Mayhem 5/20/2006 1 1:25
Loss Sam Jackson Decision IC - Iowa Challenge 5/6/2006 3 N/A
Loss Sam Morgan Submission (Guillotine Choke) EFX - Fury 5/3/2006 1 N/A
Loss Luke Gwaltney TKO (Injury) CFC 5 - Courage Fighting Championships 5 4/29/2006 1 N/A
Loss Brock Larson Submission (Guillotine Choke) TCT - Twin Cities Throwdown 4/8/2006 1 N/A
Loss Jake Ellenberger Submission (Armbar) IFC - Rumble on the River 3/11/2006 1 N/A
Loss Tom Hruby Submission Combat - Do Fighting Challenge 6 2/25/2006 N/A N/A
Loss Nik Lentz Submission (Rear Naked Choke) EFX - Fury 2/1/2006 N/A N/A
Loss Shane Wessels Submission XKK - Des Moines 11/23/2005 1 N/A
Loss Pat O'Malley Submission (Rear Naked Choke) MT 5 - Madtown Throwdown 5 10/15/2005 N/A N/A
Loss Rhomez Brower TKO Combat - Do Fighting Challenge 3 5/14/2005 1 4:27


Fight Finder - Kenneth Allen's Mixed Martial Arts Statistics (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Kenneth-Allen-13050)

[Nark Order]

Krispy, have you ever bet on a fight before?

[Heyman]

There's no way a 45 year old is going to beat a beast like Lesnar...no matter how much the difference in experience.

[Rob]

There's no way a 45 year old is going to beat a beast like Lesnar...no matter how much the difference in experience.

Normally I'd agree entirely with you but I can't rule out Randy Couture at all.

I'm betting on Lesnar but this is very far from clear cut. Possibly the closest fight in UFC history.

[Rob]

I just watched Tom Lawlor KO Dave Kaplin in the house and I swear I have never laughed so hard at a non comedy show in my life. Definitely the funniest thing I've seen since... well last week when Lawlor pissed in his fruit platter.

This season is awesome.

[Rob]

I just watched Tom Lawlor KO Dave Kaplin in the house and I swear I have never laughed so hard at a non comedy show in my life. Definitely the funniest thing I've seen since... well last week when Lawlor pissed in his fruit platter.

This season is awesome.

[Rob]

Oh yeah, Frank Mir is a fucking moaning bitch little cunt. I'll be super happy when Big Nog kills him now.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, he's always been a cocky asshole though.