MMA Thread

[Kris P Lettus]

I never liked him on TUF..

Still don't..

[Reavant]

Nog speaks good english

[Kris P Lettus]

Why is everyone saying he'll have trouble communicating??

[RP]

I never liked him on TUF..

Still don't..

cause BJ Penn made him cry.

[Fabien Barthez]

I think Joe 'Daddy' is a tough bastard, personally.

[Rob]

So do I.

[Jura]

UFC 83 Serra v GSP

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GSP's entrance pumps me up.

[McLegend]

- UFC officially announced SEEK AND DESTROY, UFC 87, on August 9th from the Target Center in Minneapolis, MN with Brock Lesnar vs. Mark Coleman in the main event and Kenny Florian vs. the returning Roger Huerta underneath. Tickets got on sale this Sunday.

That's pretty sweet.

[Innovator]

Kenflo vs. Huerta

TITS

[Crimson]

Yea can't wait for that one. Both guys go all out. Kenny will probably win :(

[RP]

Nick Diaz vs Takanori Gomi- The infamous Gogo Plata


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Nick Diaz is easily one of my top 5 favorite fighters of all time.

[Kris P Lettus]

That's the win they took from Diaz for failing a drug test for weed..

[Reavant]

that was such a joke

[Rob]

Doesn't matter. The video doesn't lie. The world knows Diaz fucking schooled Gomi.

[RP]

If Diaz is high going in against Gomi, then he's just plain dumb. As a person who smokes weed daily, you dont go into a ring high with Tak Gomi, he'll kill you. Diaz was plenty sober in that fight and he schooled one of the best fighters ever

[Destor]

It shouldn't matter either way, pot isn't a performance enhancing drug...

[Destor]

Kinda the opposite...

[Rob]

If he did then it's even more impressive.

[Kris P Lettus]

Me and Reav had this discussion before and he's gonna say something about weed helping in fights..

I've been in a lot of fight before and def fight better when sober as opposed to high..

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65691&highlight=diaz+gomi

[Rob]

When you are high, you don't have 100% control of your mind. In no way can it be a benefit. Zero chance.

[Reavant]

Me and Reav had this discussion before and he's gonna say something about weed helping in fights..

I've been in a lot of fight before and def fight better when sober as opposed to high..

yea i didnt say it enhanced performance i just said exactly what it did to you. It doesnt necessarily comletely hinder ur performance unless u go overbored, but it sure as hell doesnt help you out or be the factor to put you over the top.

[Reavant]

When you are high, you don't have 100% control of your mind.

not true. everything affects people differently. plus theres tolerance levels. Weed doesnt affect your mind the same way alcohol, coke and acid do.

The only real benefit from it could be that since it relaxes your body so much, it will lower the muscle tone a bit and make you more flexible but thats a HUGE stretch.

[Rob]

not true. everything affects people differently. plus theres tolerance levels. Weed doesnt affect your mind the same way alcohol, coke and acid do.


Actually it's very true.

[Rob]

Coleman vs. Lesnar is off. GSP vs. Fitch is the new main event for UFC 87.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship’s initial trip to Minnesota on August 9th just got bigger with today’s signing of the UFC Welterweight Title bout between Champion Georges St-Pierre and number one contender Jon Fitch, which will headline the UFC 87 card at Target Center.

It will be St-Pierre’s first bout since he regained his crown from Matt Serra at UFC 83 on April 19th. In Fitch, he will be facing a former Division I wrestler who has won eight consecutive UFC bouts without a loss, the longest streak in modern-day UFC history.


In other action on the UFC 87 card, heavyweight sensation Brock Lesnar returns home for a pivotal bout in his rise up the UFC ranks. Lesnar was originally scheduled to face UFC Hall of Famer Mark Coleman on August 9th, but a knee injury has forced ‘The Hammer’ to withdraw from the show. Lesnar’s opponent will be announced shortly.

[Reavant]

Actually it's very true.

for u maybe

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Sucks for Lesnar a little bit. Coleman was a natural fit for Brock to be able to run through.

Wonder who they'll line up.

[Danny Electric]

So, what the fuck about all these stories that Lesnar's next opponent is Lashley.

[Rob]

for u maybe

I don't touch drugs.

And please explain to me how weed stimulates the human brain.

[Reavant]

Now I really hope that UFC doesnt resign andrei because if they do, hes gonna be lesnars next opponent.

[Reavant]

I don't touch drugs.

And please explain to me how weed stimulates the human brain.

THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and thereby influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.

[The Show Off]

Now I really hope that UFC doesnt resign andrei because if they do, hes gonna be lesnars next opponent.

Not a chance, they're not going to put Lesnar in there with a guy that will definitly beat him like Arlovski. Their going to find some guy outside of the UFC to fight Brock.

[Reavant]

haha andrei wouldnt definitly beat him

[Kris P Lettus]

Rico Rodriguez

:roll:

[Rob]

http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/tito-ortiz-5.jpg

[Reavant]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Rob]

I hope Tito smashes Machida all over the cage tonight.

[Reavant]

Me 2. I like machida but I hope tito screws everything up for dana. Especially cuz machida i guess is supposed to get a title shot if he wins.

[Rob]

I hate Machida. He was in the most boring fight I have ever seen and had it not been for Gonzaga knocking out Cro Cop, it would have ruined my weekend.

[Rob]

The replacement for Mark Coleman is Heath Herring. I think Brock is in trouble now.

[McLegend]

Does Dana want Brock to lose?

[Rob]

Well I like Dana and all but he is fucking losing his mind. Doesn't protect his stars and he has come off like the biggest douchebag in the world to everyone who doesn't hate Tito Ortiz with the way he has treated him.

[RP]

Booking Heath Herring to face Lesner is so stupid. Herring is gunna kill Lesnar. He's way to good and experienced, i mean, he handled Kongo pretty easily and he was in fantastic shape. I'll take Herring

[Reavant]

Now I know Brock got caught by Mir, but if you think that Herring is gonna beat Brock, your nuts! Brock is gonna murder heath. Heath lost to Jake Obrien.... Jake obrien was a shit wrestler. Brock is an NCAA champ and is an all around beast. Brock is gonna walk through him.

[Fabien Barthez]

Are you serious? Did you see Herring against Congo? Congo is a beast, and got pretty comprehensively beat. Id back Herring in this one.

St Pierre/Fitch is probably the fight I was most hoping for this year. Can't wait for that.




Anyone know where I can get a decent stream for tonight? Or am I going to have to wait for Bravo tomorrow? :(

[Reavant]

are YOU serious? how is kongo a beast? Kongo is just a big guy with little physicality and knock out power only in his knees. His strikes do anything. Watch his fights! especially crocop. its like hes trying to just score points. And Heath won a split decision, not a dominating unanimous decision. He won a war no doubt, but it was against someone that doesnt rovide the threat that everyone thinks he does.

Brock will destroy him.

[Reavant]

WANDERLEI IS BACK BABY

[Rob]

are YOU serious? how is kongo a beast? Kongo is just a big guy with little physicality and knock out power only in his knees. His strikes do anything. Watch his fights! especially crocop. its like hes trying to just score points. And Heath won a split decision, not a dominating unanimous decision. He won a war no doubt, but it was against someone that doesnt rovide the threat that everyone thinks he does.

Brock will destroy him.

What are you on? Herring has proven power in both hands and wasn't submitted by the best BJJ guy in the division who is now the fucking champion. Any negativity that came out of the Kongo fight was all due to that French twat. Herring did everything he could to FORCE a fight.

Next thing you'll be telling me is Tito Ortiz was dominated by Lyoto Machida because he lost a decision and tried forcing a fight.

While we are talking about Ortiz, I have to say that my respect for Dana White is falling at a rapid pace. The guy has come off as the biggest wanker in the fucking business this weekend and all he has suceeded in doing is turn Tito Ortiz into the biggest babyface in the business and an even bigger star for his competition to bid over. The shit at the press conference was embarrassing. Vince McMahon has never even been this embarrassing in public.

What a fucking idiot.

[Reavant]

I didnt say Herring isnt good. He is, but hes going to get killed by brock. Yes he didnt get submitted by Nog, but hes only been submitted once in his entire career which was by nog.

Of course Herring has power in his hands hes like 240-250. Pretty much every heavyweight has some big power in their hands. Thats why Kongo pisses me off so much, he has almost zero knock out power.

I wasnt saying the fight he had with kongo was bad, it was a good fight, but Kongo is only a kickboxer, he should stick to world combat league and score points with his strikes, cuz hes not going to knock anyone out in mma with his hands.

[Reavant]

And for the record I think Machida won the fight without arguuement. it was a little kaleb starnesish for most of it, but he is a very smart fighter and fought almost the perfect fight for himself last night, but he is incredibly boring to watch when hes facing someone who would beat him if he went toe to toe with him.

[Vastardikai]

For the record, it was NOT Kaleb Starnes-ish. Machida actually threw punches and did damage. If you want him to stand there and let himself get knocked out, you're a god damned idiot. There's a difference between fighting smart and running like a bitch. One led to a decisive victory for Lyoto Machida, the other led to the unemployment line.

side notes: Penn-Sherk was kind of anticlimatic to me. When Sherk couldn't take him down on the first attempt, it was over. it took 3 rounds to make it official.

I thought Jardine would have lasted longer and would have actually stood something of a chance against Wanderlei. But... damn!

[Crimson]

Yea Machida is very good..but damn boring. I was rooting for Ortiz like crazy. I doubt UFC wants a boring fighter like Machida as a champ but he will obviously get a shot. Glad Wandy won..and nobody in the lightweight right now can beat Penn.

[Reavant]

And for the record I think Machida won the fight without arguuement. it was a little kaleb starnesish for most of it, but he is a very smart fighter and fought almost the perfect fight for himself last night, but he is incredibly boring to watch when hes facing someone who would beat him if he went toe to toe with him.

For the record, it was NOT Kaleb Starnes-ish. Machida actually threw punches and did damage. If you want him to stand there and let himself get knocked out, you're a god damned idiot. There's a difference between fighting smart and running like a bitch. One led to a decisive victory for Lyoto Machida, the other led to the unemployment line.



did u read the whole post or just see one line of it and your head exploded? was machida backing up almost the entire fight? yes. was that an element of what starns did? yes. Was machida still landing shots and doing enough to get a clear victory? yes.

I didnt say I want him to stand in front of someone to get knocked out. I said that he fights in an incredibly boring way when he goes against someone who is physically a more threatening human being. thats the way he does things. It works for him and hes smart for using it to win, BUT it is boring as hell.

im pretty sure everyone else got that from my post but here it is spelled out for ya.

[Reavant]

Yea Machida is very good..but damn boring. I was rooting for Ortiz like crazy. I doubt UFC wants a boring fighter like Machida as a champ but he will obviously get a shot. Glad Wandy won..and nobody in the lightweight right now can beat Penn.

they still might give him a title shot. I wouldnt worry about him winning it though. I just dont see him beating someone who is as effective with ttheir strikes and aggressive as a rampage, liddel, or silva. Tito just didnt have the stand up to do anything to him and has never changed his gameplan for fights.... ever.

[Impact!]

Any recommendations to find some good MMA torrents? (i.e some old Rampage Jackson pride stuff/Wanderlei Silva, etc)?

[Stickman]

Man, is Silva a beast or what?

[Rob]

Yeah he looked great. Him grabbing Jardine's throat so his head wouldn't move when punching was very funny for me too. However, it's still only 1 fight. Remember this kids.

I had Machida winning too but I have never bought a show he was on since I saw him in Manchester, and I never will. Machida = Negative buys. FACT!

[Reavant]

Jardine's career is a roller coaster ride.... knocks out forrest, gets knocked out by houston, beats chuck, gets knocked out by silva.... watch jardine now come back and beat someone huge like rampage or shogun. i dont know how he would get in a match with either of them, but it would be fitting and hilarious.

[Rob]

They'd give him a fight with Shogun for sure.

[Impact!]

Any recommendations to find some good MMA torrents? (i.e some old Rampage Jackson pride stuff/Wanderlei Silva, etc)?

*Ahem* :D

Also yeah Wanderlei grabbing Jardine's throat was a fuckin hell moment. Also I didn't realise that was his first UFC win since 1999, fuckin oath.

[Impact!]

Probably should have worded that any site recommendations where I can find some good MMA torrents, but you get the point

[Innovator]

I'm personally not a Tito fan...but really Dana has handled him all wrong in the last year. How did you make him into a babyface when a while ago no one could stand him?

[Rob]

And the facts all back Tito too. Dana White is trying to make himself the star of the show, the face of the company, THE superstar. The bullshit about Tito rather being a superstar is two faced. He has his faults as a businessman but huge strengths too. I actually admire how he can tell big TV companies to fuck off and wait for the deal that suits him, I admire the man has guts. However, he is an idiot for knocking Tito's drawing power but talking about him like a chump. If your biggest star is a chump, what does that make everyone beneath him?

At the press conference, a reporter asked why is Silva making 150k and Jardine made 10k. Dana said Jardine made more but his official purse is that sum which is reported to the atheltic comission. Bottom line, he made 10k. As a guy who was semi main event according to Dana, this is bollocks. And Tito Ortiz did things the right way unlike Randy Couture, waited out his deal and fought under the contract he signed. And to top it off, it ain't like he is asking for Mayweather money or anything. A percentage of the gate and PPV buys (more than he is getting) isn't too much to asking for.

[Reavant]

plus dana is spreading out the fights for guys that make a lot of money now.... big names are waiting at least 6 months now between fights (with GSP being the only real exception) so that he doesnt have to shell out the money that is guaranteed to them in their contracts.

[Innovator]

They definitely need to rework the fighter contracts. You sign a guy to a base contract, then he semi main events a card and gets paid the same. If your name is being advertised for the show as a feature fight, you should get a little more. well in jardine's case a lot more

[Rob]

plus dana is spreading out the fights for guys that make a lot of money now.... big names are waiting at least 6 months now between fights (with GSP being the only real exception) so that he doesnt have to shell out the money that is guaranteed to them in their contracts.

I think he has to spread the stars out because they have too many shows. To be fair, most of them, he tried to get fighting in London once Chuck was out. Again, the one of the biggest problems is that he thinks the UFC brand draws more than the fighters. It draws but nothing close to the fighters name value. If BJ Penn goes back to 170lbs, under no circumstances should they ever let him fight at 155lbs again. Only hurts that division. Plus he needs to do the big fights while they are big. Let's take Matt Serra for example. He has two huge fights possible - GSP and Matt Hughes. Common sense says have the GSP fight first. If he loses, it doesn't hurt the Hughes fight at all since he just lost to the best guy in the division. If he wins, even better. However, if they do the Hughes fight first and he loses, they fuck any chance of a third fight with GSP doing any numbers.

[Jura]

Bruce Buffer needs to get knocked the fuck out.

[Rob]

Bruce Buffer is a great man.

[Reavant]

I think he has to spread the stars out because they have too many shows. To be fair, most of them, he tried to get fighting in London once Chuck was out. Again, the one of the biggest problems is that he thinks the UFC brand draws more than the fighters. It draws but nothing close to the fighters name value. If BJ Penn goes back to 170lbs, under no circumstances should they ever let him fight at 155lbs again. Only hurts that division. Plus he needs to do the big fights while they are big. Let's take Matt Serra for example. He has two huge fights possible - GSP and Matt Hughes. Common sense says have the GSP fight first. If he loses, it doesn't hurt the Hughes fight at all since he just lost to the best guy in the division. If he wins, even better. However, if they do the Hughes fight first and he loses, they fuck any chance of a third fight with GSP doing any numbers.

I agree but look at the layoff he has been giving the champs lately other than GSP. BJ went all the way from last summer to his match with stevenson. chuck was slated to go from december till june which is a big jump. He wont give nog a fight it seems for like 7 moth spans of time. The thing is, that if they have so many shows, it should be easy to set up the big names at least 3 times a year.

[Rob]

BJ wasn't the champion last summer.

And having the bigger names on more shows devalues them. 3 fights a year is great in an ideal world where you have set challengers and no injuries. I'd bet Rampage fights again this year after the Griffin fight. Maybe even twice. Same for Anderson Silva. BJ might even get a new years fight on top.

[Jura]

Anyone going to watch EliteXC on Saturday? Also Gina Carano is so hot. She is a definite Knock-Out. Literally.

[Rob]

Nope. Not available in Britain unfortunately. Neither is the WEC show. This sucks.

[Innovator]

Man i'd love it if Gina pulled guard on me

[Rob]

"I'd show her my 30cm pole"

That Mauro Ranallo is a great man.

[Crimson]

Yea Carano is hot as hell. She could mount me any day

[Jura]

lol at all the MMA puns. I only saw one pic of the other girl and she doesn't look bad herself. I could be wrong though. Btw, there might be an internet stream for it Rob.

[Vastardikai]

I'd put Gina in a rear naked choke.

:naughty:

[McLegend]

Gina can put me a triangle.

[McLegend]

I win.

[Rob]

I'd rather put her in one :shifty:

[Crimson]

I'd beat her via can opener

[Reavant]

id prolly beat her via KO Donkey Punch in the third round

[Stickman]

I'd ground and pound her.

[Rob]

Speaking of Fatty McFatterson, she failed to make weight. Came on the scales at 144lbs. She has to give 12.5% of her purse to Kaitlin Young.

Okay she ain't fat.

[Rob]

News on Bobby Lashley

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4460/wwes-bobby-lashley-signs-with-american-fight-league.mma

[Jura]

We love you Bobby.

[Reavant]

hes going to be scary in the future as well

[Rob]

Well see.

[Reavant]

The guy is a 2x naia national wrestling champ... not nearly as good as brock, but that skill alone will win him 75% of his matches plus hes more athletic.

[Rob]

Yeah but we don't know if he can take a punch or defend submissions.

What weight did he wrestle at?

[Jura]

http://falkdiesel33.cigogne.org/images/falkdiesel33.cigogne.org/main%20event/lashley.jpg

[Reavant]

Yeah but we don't know if he can take a punch or defend submissions.

What weight did he wrestle at?

well that would encompase the 25% that his wrestling wouldnt carry him lol. He wrestled 285.

[Rob]

285lbs? No fucking way.

You know I'm talking the legit wrestling. Not the fake shit right?

[Rob]

Predictions for the weekend

Lawler KO's Smith
Thompson KO's Kimbo
Faber decisions Pulver

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Everything I had on Lashley said he wrestled at like 177 or 180 or so in college. He bulked up to like 250 or so for wrestling.

[Reavant]

285lbs? No fucking way.

You know I'm talking the legit wrestling. Not the fake shit right?

ok see 285 doesnt mean you weigh 285 it means you fall into a weight class from 197-285.


As it turns out he did actually wrestle at 177 as heartbreak put it. I was not certain if he was at 285 for sure, I more assumed from his size now. I just looked it up and it turns out he was a 3x national champ which is even more impressive.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, I knew he wasn't that heavy. When I was wrestling and doing MMA there were guys I followed closely. Oddly enough Brock and Bobby were two of the guys (along with a bunch of guys who never transitioned to MMA so I don't know how many people will know of them).

I believe he did wrestle at around 235 in the army though.

[Reavant]

you wrestled?

[Reavant]

im also sure its safe to say then that good ole bobby went to the juice shop and juiced it up real good

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Wrestled when I was younger AAU and highschool had been transitioning through to BJJ and MT kickboxing. Wrestled since I was 5 and done more hybrid/mma style for the last 12 years.

AND it's time for Elite XC. I will say however, their production values already seem not quite up to the standards that the UFC has put in place.

[Jura]

The white guy is already annoying me with the way he talks. It sounds like he's using an acting voice. The other 2 are okay though.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

This show is already not what the sport of MMA needs to debut on National television with.

They better hope the ACTUAL fights, which by the way 20 mins in we still have yet to start, save the show.

[McLegend]

Gus Johnson is fantastic.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

So far highlight of the show has been the fact that Rob and Big were running security for a fighter.

[McLegend]

What's up with these dancers?

[McLegend]

I predict Baroni gets beatdown.

[Jura]

It seems more like a WWE PPV.

[McLegend]

It feels more like an old school TNA PPV.

[McLegend]

Told you.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

So two new highlights. Baroni getting knocked out, not because it was particularly incredible or anything, I just fucking hate Baroni. Second is seeing Gina because I love her.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Newest and best highlight for this evening. HELLBOY II Trailer!

[Jura]

You can look but don't touch.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

omg in love with Gina :love::drool:

[Jura]

They both look good.

[Savio]

Brock is gonna need some luck against herring

[Jura]

Has there ever been a nipple slip in women's MMA?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Is she seriously going for a gogo?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

If I didn't know the bias against womans MMA I would have said a long time ago this should have opened the show considering the card.

[McLegend]

1st round 10-9 Gina.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Good good round. Gina needed to open up desperately before going for that submission. She was gassing though.

[Jura]

She was pretty close to knocking her out.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

lol she really did go for the gogo. Still in love. :drool:

Xtreme Couture with another win.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I know he trains with Bas but I hope Kimbo gets knocked the fuck out.

[McLegend]

So how many unprotected shots to the head does Kimbo have to take before the match is stopped?

[McLegend]

I kind of argee with that stoppage right there, but if you are stopping that you had to stop it in the 2nd round when Kimbo was getting his ass beat.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Kimbo lucked the fuck out that he hit that ear. Kimbo had lost that fight.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I can't agree with that stop, his ear popped yeah, but you pop ears anyway when they get that bad. It wasn't in his eyes and he would have been fine.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

lol he's not that good on the ground Kimbo, you're just sorry on the floor.

[McLegend]

I can't agree with that stop, his ear popped yeah, but you pop ears anyway when they get that bad. It wasn't in his eyes and he would have been fine.

I realize he was on his, but he was pretty much knocked out. His eyes were glazed over.

There have been fights stopped like that before.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I realize he was on his, but he was pretty much knocked out. His eyes were glazed over.

There have been fights stopped like that before.

Yeah, and those calls were bullshit too.

[McLegend]

*on his feet

[McLegend]

It should have been stopped in the 2nd round.

[Jura]

That ear was creepy. I couldn't stop staring at it the whole time. It sounds like Kimbo lost some fans tonight.

[Vastardikai]

Because he was clearly saved by the promoters and was exposed by a can.

[Reavant]

Oh my GOD does Kimbo suck!

[Rob]

I kind of argee with that stoppage right there, but if you are stopping that you had to stop it in the 2nd round when Kimbo was getting his ass beat.

How can you possibly agree with the stoppage? You can only stop a fight when a fighter is in NO condition to continue fighting. Fuck his ear. There ain't a fighter out there with a set of balls who would have stopped because they had a fucked ear. They let Matt Hamill fight and he is fucking deaf for Christ sake.

Total bullshit stoppage.

Gina Carano - Stop making excuses for not making weight you fat cunt.

Robbie Lawler - Fucking lucky to come away with that belt.

Phil Baroni - :rofl:

[Reavant]

That show did nothing except make Dana Whites head bigger

[Reavant]

I cant say enough about how bad it was

[Reavant]

did i say it was bad?

[Reavant]

cuz it was

[Reavant]

bad that is

[Rob]

I've seen worse but fucking hell!

[Jura]

It would have been better for EliteXC and Kimbo if they kept the fight going because it looked like Kimbo was going to knock him out and fans love that shit.

[Reavant]

I've seen worse but fucking hell!

yea but this was a network television show... not the time to fuck up that bad

[Innovator]

-5-10 more seconds and Thompson was out, but for a guy getting a push like Kimbo, that won't cut it. Kimbo needed a definite stoppage. Mazzagotti would have stopped the fight in the 2nd round.

-I don't care if she weighed in 4.5 lbs overweight, I'm in love with Gina Carano. hottest gogoplatta attempt ever.

[McLegend]

How can you possibly agree with the stoppage? You can only stop a fight when a fighter is in NO condition to continue fighting. Fuck his ear. There ain't a fighter out there with a set of balls who would have stopped because they had a fucked ear. They let Matt Hamill fight and he is fucking deaf for Christ sake.

I never said anything about is ear. He was knocked out on his feet. Eyes were rolled back in his head. He was clearly in no condition to fight. Therefore good stoppage.

However I still say it should have been stopped in the 2nd.

[McLegend]

Yes though the show was bad.

[Innovator]

Brett Rogers called out Kimbo at the press conference, saying he saw Kimbo tap out in the 1st to the guillotine, said Kimbo's fight was garbage.

[Rob]

I never said anything about is ear. He was knocked out on his feet. Eyes were rolled back in his head. He was clearly in no condition to fight. Therefore good stoppage.


Knocked out his feet my arse. When people get hit, their eyes move. It wasn't like he took a punch and then did his standing impression of the Undertaker. If he did, I'd have no problems.

[Rob]

Brett Rogers called out Kimbo at the press conference, saying he saw Kimbo tap out in the 1st to the guillotine, said Kimbo's fight was garbage.

Didn't he say it was in the second? I dunno. I didn't see a tap but I only watched it once.

[Crimson]

Gina is good looking and a great fighter and even though she won , the way she interviewed seemed like her heart isn't 100% in mma. But hopefully she keeps fighting.

I thought Kimbo had tapped too I think in the 2nd round it was ..but the announcers said he was giving a signal that he was 'ok' so I dunno. Premature stoppage though.

In the Smith/Lawler fight I think when they were throwing haymakers , Johnson called one of the punches a can opener. Isnt that a submission hold?? Never heard a punch called that.

[Rob]

No contest in that fight with a finger poke. In the UFC, Vitor Belfort beat Randy Couture with one. How the fuck are these athletic commissions not on the same page?

[Jura]

Finger Poke of Doom!

[Rob]

:lol: It was for Belfort because Couture came back and fucking killed that poor prick.

[Reavant]

I thought kimbo tapped too at first but it was right in front of the ref and he didnt do anything about it so i figured it was him giving a thumbs up or saying hes OK.

[Reavant]

No contest in that fight with a finger poke. In the UFC, Vitor Belfort beat Randy Couture with one. How the fuck are these athletic commissions not on the same page?

Its not the commission's call I dont think... I think its just the ref's call and I think theyre protecting Lawler too.

[Super V]

Yeah that show seemed fixed by the promoters to me. Like how boxing is now.

[Super V]

And fuck Phil Baroni. 3rd time in a row he's let me down.

[McLegend]

So pumped for Faber.

[Reavant]

im so torn on this fight... i cant decide who i want to win

[Gertner]

Anybody esle watch the Faber-Pulver fight?

[McLegend]

It was tremendous.

[Rob]

Its not the commission's call I dont think... I think its just the ref's call and I think theyre protecting Lawler too.

It's not the refs call. He can't pull a no contest because he feels like it. It's the commission. Just like the commissions in California and Las Vegas have different rules.

[Rob]

Anybody esle watch the Faber-Pulver fight?

Shame this wasn't on network TV really. Damn good fight.

[Stickman]

Call me crazy but it looked like Thompson was paid off to not finish Kimbo. Honestly, for a guy with 24ish fights he couldn't keep Kimbo on his back, are you kidding. Kimbo just rolled and the guy was off. When Thompson had Kimbo's head exposed he was throwing the softest punches and elbows I had ever seen. Little girls punch harder. The standing guiloteen was week, he did not stand up straight and arch his back like JJ 101 states.

I dunno, Thompson looked bad, real bad, too bad for a guy with experience.

[Rob]

I'd call you crazy. No way is Thompson taking a dive on one of the biggest MMA shows ever (certainly in terms of TV importance). He could have made himself a star in one night.

[RP]

Kimbo vs Thompson was a fix

I'm sorry, those punches and elbows were weaker then RVD's in pro wrestling. That was embarressing how much he was purposley holding back. THen that stoppage. WOW. THe worst stoppage i've ever seen for sure. And Kimbo laying on the ground exhausted and relieved. So embarressing. CBS and Elite XC just need to be shot in the face.

The Lawler fight stoppage was horrible too. REminded me of that Severn vs Shamrock fight where they wouldnt fight because of the state rules. But these guys were fighting and someone gets poked in the eye. Did you guys here the other corner saying " He's ok we want to continue " and they stopped it anyways. I wanted to puke right then and there.

[RP]

Anybody esle watch the Faber-Pulver fight?

probably one of the best fights of the year.

[Rob]

Again no way was it a fix. Fixing the fight and getting caught would kill MMA.

[Stickman]

Watch the fight, Thompson had a weak ground and pound.

[Reavant]

Anyone think that the punches were weak because the guy was in horrible shape and had been knocked loopy? .... You guys are right. Thompson has WAY too much experience to come in out of shape.

[RP]

One of the judges scored the 2nd round in favor of Slice ...wow

fixed. It was a fix. That wasnt no fucking weak ground and pound. He was pulling punches hardcore. I've watched twice now. Its rediculous.

[Kris P Lettus]

Guys, Elite XC sucks..

I am ashamed as an MMA fan that that card was what was shown to alot of non MMA fans.. Now if they had shown the WEC card from last night, :drool:..

Faber/Jens was awesome and that Torres/Jap guy fight was one of the best fights ever..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, the local CBS coverage fucked up and didn't show the Kimbo fight here.. We went outside to burn one and when we came back in, the whole show had restarted and ran for about 30 minutes then went off the air.. They never showed the main event, I just watched it online..

p.s. did anyone watch that Ultimate Iceman thing??

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Is the UFC Affliction ban officially over? Watching the countdown show for the London show and they're showing an awful lot of affliction logos and shirts during Vera's segment.

[Rob]

No.

[McLegend]

Just thinking about EliteXC I get so mad about Mauro Ranallo. He wouldn't let Gus Johnson got excited. He would keeep talking over him. Ranallo would keep telling all this useless information.

He reminded me of Mike Tenay.

[Juan]

Anybody esle watch the Faber-Pulver fight?

:y:

Faber is the man.

[Kris P Lettus]

Ben Rothwell Confirms Upcoming Fight Against Andrie Arlovski

By Jason Perkins | May 28, 2008

http://www.fightline.com/images/pic/arlovski.jpg

Ben Rothwell Confirms Upcoming Fight Against Andrie Arlovski
Andrei Arlovski will be fighting Ben Rothwell at Affliction "Banned" on July 19 according to a recent post made by Rothwell himself on the Sherdog forums:

I tried to never say if i was/was not fighting AA but most all the forum took it that way, sorry i guess.

anyway I'm excited to fight a top10 HW, so thanks for the support, peace

Arlovski has likely signed or is close to signing a deal with Adrenaline MMA as they have the popular Belarusian listed as an Adrenaline MMA fighter on their website and have him scheduled to appear at events with other Adrenaline fighters.

Hope Arlovski gets back to his former form..

[Reavant]

it was confirmed on mma junkie too... too bad the scum hasnt talked to my coaches since his last fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

I dunno if it's online or not but the newest issue of Rolling Stone has a great article about Dana White in it.. I know alot of people hate the guy but personally, I am a fan of his..

I'll see it the article is online, if not, I'll scan it for you guys..

[Rob]

I'd love to read it.

I like Dana. I just think he has let personal issues get in the way of business recently. And he has embarrassed himself as the big chief of the UFC with the way he treated his employees.

[Reavant]

Im sure hes a nice enough guy but he has def let power and success go to his head to the point to which he thinks hes the baddest man in the ufc. Its almost ammusing.

[Rob]

Yeah he defo has the Vince McMahon complex now where he is making himself a TV personality.

[Reavant]

On another note this video is awsome



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[Rob]

Rampage on Kimmel was awesome by the way. Rampage needs his own sitcom.

[Reavant]

HAHA I saw that too. I really hope he gets that role on the new A Team

[Innovator]

I demand a show with Rampage and Bas

[Rob]

UFC is meant to be making some huge announcement next Thursday that will rock the world of MMA.

I'm betting it's a ABC deal.

[Rob]

It's 100% not a TV deal so I was wrong. Probably announcing a show in NYC.

Predictions for tonight.

Davis, Bisping, Vera, Hughes and Nate The Great all to win. Hopefully I'm seriously wrong with Hughes though.

[RP]

Dan Miragliotta strikes again

[Jura]

Tom Gugliotta

[Reavant]

It's 100% not a TV deal so I was wrong. Probably announcing a show in NYC.

Predictions for tonight.

Davis, Bisping, Vera, Hughes and Nate The Great all to win. Hopefully I'm seriously wrong with Hughes though.

ppl are saying its going to be floyd mayweather..... and you are wrong anout hughes :D

[Rob]

I popped sooooooooo loud when Alves fucking humbled this motherfucker. I'll meeting someone from the UFC for lunch in like an hour so I might be able to weasel some info from him.

[Reavant]

Im hearing silva at 205, tv deal with fox, mayweather going to ufc, 145 class coming to the ufc (which is what I think the announcement is) and liddel headlining the atlanta card.

[RP]

LOL Mayweather is not going to UFC. I dont believe it at all.

[Rob]

The announcement is FUCKING HUGE! I just heard about it and I'm sworn to silence.

It's already been mentioned here though and not by me. That's all I can say.

[McLegend]

A sitcom with Rampage and Bas debuting on Spike Tv in the fall?

[RP]

pm it to me

[Destor]

A sitcom with Rampage and Bas debuting on Spike Tv in the fall?
The universe would crumble around the awesomeness of that show.

[Reavant]

its totally Rampage being on the A-team

[Reavant]

I actually think that the news is going to really piss me off.

[Destor]

So when is the announcement again? Thursady?

[Innovator]

can i get a little pm action Rob

[James Steele]

Floyd is going to get his ass whooped if you are implying what I think you are implying.

[Crimson]

Out of all the possibilites of the rumors the FOX tv deal would be the hugest impact.

I think Dana is gonna come out and announce a live draft for 2 UFC brand shows on FOX and spike. :|

[Rob]

I asked Dana myself on Saturday if it was a TV deal and said no. And he also told reporters after it wasn't.

[Reavant]

GUYS! Rob PMed me and said it was going to be Quinton vs MrT for the LHW belt and spot on the A Team in october

[Danny Electric]

How the hell did you get to speak to Dana White.

[Innovator]

BASPAGE, coming this fall on FOX

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The announcement is FUCKING HUGE! I just heard about it and I'm sworn to silence.

It's already been mentioned here though and not by me. That's all I can say.

Rob, you love me and have known me on here since the start of these forums, I KNOW you want to PM me and tell me.

[Reavant]

I PITTY THE FOO

[Rob]

How the hell did you get to speak to Dana White.

The skill of being able to blag my way into tickets and passes I shouldn't be having.

[Rob]

Rob, you love me and have known me on here since the start of these forums, I KNOW you want to PM me and tell me.

Bollocks I'm just saying it.

I was sitting with a guy from UFC on Sunday when got a txt from a certain wrestling/MMA writer saying it's Floyd Mayweather 100%.

And now the same guy is acting like he doesn't know in public and putting out stuff saying UFC are denying it. It was meant to be kept secret and he did a shitty job of doing it.

But yeah, it's Mayweather. And if it isn't now, I'm blaming that fucker because he told us.

[The CyNick]

I would be shocked if we ever see Mayweather in the Octagon in a fight.

I've read all kinds of stuff about this rumour. What I could see is a deal where he has something to do with UFC is terms of promotion, but I just cant see him fighting. Just cant see it.

[Rob]

He has been training MMA on the sly since Wrestlemania.

[Reavant]

Im soo pissed of if this is the damn announcement

[Crimson]

What weight class?? the superduper featherweight? The new 115lb division?

[redoneja]

I've got an opportunity to become a certified MMA referee in the state of Virginia at the end of the month. Pretty excited. :cool:

[Stickman]

I've got an opportunity to become a certified MMA referee in the state of Virginia at the end of the month. Pretty excited. :cool:

Don't suck.

[McLegend]

Word on the street is that the big announcment was actually MMA being legalized in New York.

The bill however wasn't passed as thought, and is up again for review next week.

[McLegend]

Just read this from the Observer site instead.

What may have been Dana White's secret announcement - and it's not that big and may not happen



by Dave Meltzer

Sam Caplan of FiveOuncesOfPain.com reported today that the committee for Tourism, Arts and Sports Development in New York held a vote today to decide whether the state should regulate MMA.

According to the story, the bill was overwhelmingly voted down. Caplan reported a member of a major state athletic commission confirmed the original information and that this was the major announcement Dana White had talked about making tomorrow, which was later postponed to Tuesday.

The story said White was assured the bill would pass and the reasons the committee had a major change of heart is unknown. The story said that a committee member applied pressure after the session to get people to change their vote, and several republicans and a few democrats then attempted to change thir vote. The story said the bill will be put back on the agenda early next week, which is very unusual, and means there is a chance it could pass in time for Tuesday.

[McLegend]

I guess that could still be considered a rumor, and could still be wrong.

Still interesting though.

[Rob]

I don't see why the hell Dana White would want his employees in New York to announce something privately to them when the athletic commission would announce publicly anyway.

[RP]

Sounds like Dana White nearly blew his load early again.

[Rob]

Dana was talking about the NY thing this weekend too in public.

[Crimson]

wow, what a letdown

[Rob]

It's been held off until Tuesday.

[Rob]

Also, I'll break some other news.

The next UK card is planned for October 18 in Birmingham at the NIA.

Card is planned as...

Anderson Silva vs. Yushin Okami
Dan Henderson vs. Rich Franklin
Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida

I'm very happy about all of this.

[Innovator]

All SOLID fights

[RP]

Also, I'll break some other news.

The next UK card is planned for October 18 in Birmingham at the NIA.

Card is planned as...

Anderson Silva vs. Yushin Okami
Dan Henderson vs. Rich Franklin
Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida

I'm very happy about all of this.

I wish they'd mix these fighters up a bit. I think Silva, Okami, Hendo and Franklin have been on the same cards for the past year now it seems.

[Kris P Lettus]

I worked with the Lighting Designer for Chuck Norris' World Combat League and he told me that it's going to be on CBS in 2009..

Horrible, because it is shit..

[Reavant]

It's been held off until Tuesday.

so the announcement is going to be that mma is or is not getting regulated in new york

[Kris P Lettus]

Thiago is byfar my favorite welterweight..

Just watched the fight and he f'n dominated Hughes, which makes me all warm inside..

[Reavant]

yea its good to see that GSP has people around to actually challenge him and make a fight that can be anticipated.

[Rob]

I wish they'd mix these fighters up a bit. I think Silva, Okami, Hendo and Franklin have been on the same cards for the past year now it seems.

This can't be true. Have 3 even fought on the same show?

so the announcement is going to be that mma is or is not getting regulated in new york

I don't think so. It was postponed before the second regulation hearing was scheduled for next week. Also what happens if they reject it again?

Dana has point blank told people it isn't this. Mind you, he said no to everything else and he is hardly gonna say "oh yeah that's it" if someone guesses it early.

[Rob]

Nick Diaz is a fucking moron for missing weight by fucking 8lbs but man he is a great man for building a fight.

[Crimson]

I haven't seen it but that sounded like a wwe style build up last night

[James Steele]

UFC in MSG?

[Rob]

They aren't sanctioned in yet and even if they were, we'd know about this by now.

[Confused]

Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida



Their fight in Belfast was amazing :heart:

[Confused]

Sherdogs reporting that the UFC are planning a free to air event on Spike TV on July 19th. Its rumoured they've asked Brandon Vera to main event against Wanderlei Silva.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=13271

[Rob]

This is 100% not happening.

[The CyNick]

Also, I'll break some other news.

The next UK card is planned for October 18 in Birmingham at the NIA.

Card is planned as...

Anderson Silva vs. Yushin Okami
Dan Henderson vs. Rich Franklin
Tyson Griffin vs. Clay Guida

I'm very happy about all of this.

If this is true, then its a strong effort to make up for the last card in UK(which wasnt UFC's fault, but still).

Hendo-Franklin is a very interesting fight to me.

[Vastardikai]

Okami is the last person to beat Silva (because of a rule that doesn't exist in UFC, IIRC). I'm gonna say Okami might win the first round, but Silva will go into Super Spyder mode and force a tap in Round 2.

Hendo-Franklin = the goods.

Griffin-Guida should be fight of the night.

[RP]

Rob, i thought you told me Floyd Maywheather was going to UFC.

[Rob]

That's what I was told. I'll have more to say about this tomorrow.

[Rob]

Just announced (don't think this is the announcement either)

Anderson Silva v. James Irvin (at 205) and Hermes Franca vs. Frankie Edgar on July 19 on Spike TV head to head against the Affliction show. Silva isn't vacating the title and will fight at both weights.

[RP]

That could backfire so badly for UFC. I'm pretty shocked they're putting Silva in that fight. Not that Irvin is gunna win, but if he were to knock Silva out on live television, major backfire. And no, moving to 205 would not be an acceptable excuse.

[James Steele]

When the hell did Affliction start a fighting promotion? I was wondering what the hell was being mentioned earlier in the thread about an Affliction ban.