MMA Thread

[McLegend]

Also I don't care if Clay Guida lost he is the fuckin man. I would gladly pay money to see him fight.

[Crimson]

Damn I missed last nights show. Glad to hear Huerta pulled it off though..now it's on for some big fights for him.

[Jordan]

Mac Danzig is the fuckin man!

[Reavant]

He announced Rampage vs Forrest at the video game awards. Hope it doesnt bite him in the ass holding the title until after the show again.

[Rob]

oH ok . I'll take your word for that...

I should have said not blatanly obviously on steroids. UFC has testing and fighters know the way around them. Silva and Shogun had no reason not to be on juice in Japan.

[Innovator]

An entire season of a camera on Rampage = RATINGS

[McLegend]

I hope Rampage and Forrest end up hating each other

[Kris P Lettus]

So it's Rampage as the other coach??

OMG

[Reavant]

yea it is... i guess it makes sense since hes injured and cant start training till may which is when the show would be airing anyway

[Stickman]

How is Forrest a qualified coach?

[Kris P Lettus]

As Hughs said the past season, it not about teaching moves and whatnot.. Most of the guys who make it to TUF are trained already.. The "coaches" are more about setting training regimans and gameplanning for fights.. Also cornering.. I don't see how Forrest isn't qualified.. Supposedly he is one of the biggest gym rats in the UFC, has big fight experience and knowledge of the workings of UFC..

Why would you think he's not qualified??

[ron the dial]

I've never watched much MMA shit before just because I haven't been interested. Decided to check this out since Guida's from my hometown and a few of my buddies that wrestled with him were going to the bar to watch it. I have to say, there were some really entertaining fights going on. I thought Clay was going to take the fight, but he just got fucking rocked with that knee. It felt like a little bit of Johnsburg died that night because everyone was freaking out at the possibility of such a huge win, and then Clay got choked out. Damn. I might have to watch more in the future.

[Stickman]

As Hughs said the past season, it not about teaching moves and whatnot.. Most of the guys who make it to TUF are trained already.. The "coaches" are more about setting training regimans and gameplanning for fights.. Also cornering.. I don't see how Forrest isn't qualified.. Supposedly he is one of the biggest gym rats in the UFC, has big fight experience and knowledge of the workings of UFC..

Why would you think he's not qualified??


Is he a black belt in anything? Does he run his own school/camp?

[Kris P Lettus]

He wins..

Why does anything eles matter??

[Kris P Lettus]

I've never watched much MMA shit before just because I haven't been interested. Decided to check this out since Guida's from my hometown and a few of my buddies that wrestled with him were going to the bar to watch it. I have to say, there were some really entertaining fights going on. I thought Clay was going to take the fight, but he just got fucking rocked with that knee. It felt like a little bit of Johnsburg died that night because everyone was freaking out at the possibility of such a huge win, and then Clay got choked out. Damn. I might have to watch more in the future.

Thing about most MMA promotions, you don't really have to win to get respect.. Like, he was dominating that fight until the rear naked choke.. He'll def be back and prolly fight Huerta again..

[Stickman]

He wins..

Why does anything eles matter??

Just wondering if he has ANY coaching experience.

[Rob]

How is Forrest a qualified coach?

How were Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Ken Shamrock, Matt Serra, Jens Pulver or BJ Penn qualified?

[Kris P Lettus]

Probably not, but as I said, he is not training them.. These are already trained fighters who he will help add to their training to be more efficent and gameplan and corner..

That's it..

[Kris P Lettus]

How were Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Ken Shamrock, Matt Serra, Jens Pulver or BJ Penn qualified?

Exactly..

[Stickman]

How were Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Ken Shamrock, Matt Serra, Jens Pulver or BJ Penn qualified?

Championships.

[Kris P Lettus]

O_o

So the thousands of people out there who own and run MMA gyms, who haven't held a championship, aren't qualifies to run their gyms??

[Rob]

What?

So all the guys who coached those fighters must be shit because they don't have world titles?

Pure bollocks. Top fighters don't automatically make top coaches. In boxing, Freddie Roach, Billy Graham, Manny Steward and Enzo Calzaghe did nothing in the ring and yet they must have trained like 50 world champions between them.

[Rob]

Oh and Liddell wasn't a champion when he was the coach on the first TUF series so that "arguement" goes out the window.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/mrsmiley123/fighting/mma/tank.jpg

AHAHAHAHAHA

Is that really Tank Abbott??

[Reavant]

He wins..

Why does anything eles matter??

Jesus Kris... YES! As a coach, you have to be able to work with all different kinds of people. Now I am pretty sure youve played sports before. Have you ever had a bad coach? A lot of the time the most successful and talented guys in any sport turn out to be really shitty coaches. Not all the time, but enough to be a trend. No guys like Randy, Hughes, and Serra are a little different because of their experience in the sport, but Forrest has only been around the ufc for about 3-4 years. Before that he was a cop that was doing this on the side. Hes probably never coached before which could be a little tough because you have to be able to work with fighters and connect with your guys. You have to be able to understand different personality types and try your best to be patient with everyone. No Forrest seems like a cool guy but who knows how hes gonna be as a coach. Just cuz hes funny doesnt mean hes not gonna screw up with coaching the fighters.

Also, he doesnt have that much big match experience. His three biggest matches were the TUF finals, vs Tito, and vs Shogun. No real main events, and no title fights.

Maybe he'll be an awsome coach, but its hard to say hes more than qualified and your nuts if thinking him winning makes him a good coach.

[Reavant]

How were Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Ken Shamrock, Matt Serra, Jens Pulver or BJ Penn qualified?

All former/current champs? Run their own acadamys? Around 10 years of fighting experience each except maybe Franklin?

Im not trying to be a huge dick here, but all those guys have at least two of those things, most all three.

[Reavant]

What?

So all the guys who coached those fighters must be shit because they don't have world titles?

Pure bollocks. Top fighters don't automatically make top coaches. In boxing, Freddie Roach, Billy Graham, Manny Steward and Enzo Calzaghe did nothing in the ring and yet they must have trained like 50 world champions between them.

Its not necessarily championship status as much as having to have a lot of big match and high pressure experience that comes with winning a championship. Something that Forrest doesnt have much of.

[Kris P Lettus]

He has more than the guys he'll be coaching certainly..

And as I already said, it's not like they're getting hobos off the streets.. These are previously trained fighters.. All the "coach" has to do if mold their training and corner them, which I think Forrest is more than capable of doing..

[McLegend]

I don't think Rampage is gonna be a good coach.

[Reavant]

Im not saying forrest wont be, Im just saying hes got the cards stacked against him. Who knows about Rampage tho.

[Rob]

All former/current champs? Run their own acadamys? Around 10 years of fighting experience each except maybe Franklin?

Im not trying to be a huge dick here, but all those guys have at least two of those things, most all three.

That's reasons why they might be good coaches. That's not a qualification. I'm not trying to be a dick either but there isn't any standard of coaching badges for MMA so saying one person is more or less qualified than others is a load of shite.

I used to coach kids football and I'm now qualified with badges by the FA to coach kids but I can tell you from my own experience that I could have done as well without the qualification.

Rampage has 2 of out the 3 too and he is known for being a lazy motherfucker when it comes to training. Forrest is known for working his balls to the ground in the gym. Now if you took away the names, you'd want to work with the hard worker every day. Doesn't mean he will be a good coach but it doesn't mean he won't either.

[Stickman]

Reavant pretty much said what I was slowly getting at.

As for Rampage as a good coach, who knows, but if he brings his trainer in, look out.

[Stickman]

I think they'll play up the coaches humour in the season, not really their coaching abilities.

[Reavant]

I bet they just play a bunch of practical jokes on eachother and one goes out of hand then they hate eachother to hype up the fight

[Rob]

Reavant pretty much said what I was slowly getting at.

As for Rampage as a good coach, who knows, but if he brings his trainer in, look out.

And what if Forrest brings in Randy Couture? Your tune change then?

[Stickman]

Possibly, but do you think Dana would let Randy on the show?

[Reavant]

haha yea... he wont even film wanderlei training in couture's gym

[Rob]

Possibly, but do you think Dana would let Randy on the show?

I do. They are talking now. Word is he'll get back on TV but he is done fighting now. It was either Fedor or nothing and it looks like nothing.

[Dave Youell]

Generally speaking, surely if you’ve been trained by the best, you’d know how to train others fairly well right, and most of us would agree that Randy is pretty fecking good.

All I care about is that I get to see Rampage/Griffin, I said on this thread a while back that’s a dream match for me

[Innovator]

Anyone else see the ricockulous high release GERMAN SUPLEX at the WEC show on Wednesday?

Also Pulver vs. Urijah Faber will be awesome.

[McLegend]

Urijah Faber is fuckin awsome.

[Rob]

Bisping is moving to 185lbs.

[Y2Ant]

So apparently Couture isn't actually retired from the sport, and is just waiting on his UFC contract to expire so he can go fight this Emelianenko guy. Surely Dana White would rather that happen in the UFC and make some money off it?

And I don't know how good he (Fedor) is as i've never seen him fight (i'm a UFC newb) but I really want to see this if it happens.

[Kris P Lettus]

Fedor is prolly the best heavyweight in MMA history..

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=1500

[Reavant]

and...?

[Stickman]

Fedor is prolly the best heavyweight in MMA history..


You're probably right but the guy needs to be in the UFC for the general (North American) population to care, or to even fight the best guys. Since the UFC is top dog in MMA, he needs to be there. From the sounds of it the guy wants to pick his own opponents so it seems he may be ducking guys by not signing with UFC.

[Crimson]

Yea I agree. Fedor might be the best but quite frankly most people here won't go out of their way to watch another promotion. They will watch the UFC..some WEC maybe or bodog ,but the big leagues is the UFC. And if he's not in there then it'll be unfortunate that majority of fans here won't even know how he looks like if he never signs.

[Kris P Lettus]

and...?

what

[Reavant]

i figured youd follow up on why fedor is the best or say something to go along with your obvious statement.

[Kris P Lettus]

I figured his record speaks for it self..

[Stickman]

I figured his record speaks for it self..

He's fighting that Hong Man Choi guy or whatever his name is. So does his record really mean much if he doesnt' fight anybody in the Top Ten?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, Muhamed Ali isn't planning on fighting any ranked fighters in the future, so he can't be one of the greatest of all time..

That makes sense..

[Reavant]

we all knew his record, everyone can see it. Everyone says hes the best. i just figured you could add to the statement with something interesting like an interview or a video or really anything at all. I guess I was mistaken.

[Reavant]

He's fighting that Hong Man Choi guy or whatever his name is. So does his record really mean much if he doesnt' fight anybody in the Top Ten?

Just because your the best doesnt mean you have to fight number one contenders everytime. He slaughters everyone he faces. Even his decision victories were complete bowouts. The guy has fought the best guys that were available to him and killed them.

Sometimes you have to build up a ighter by giving him inferior opponents to sharpen their game. For example having Fedor fight an expert striker to see how he performs or to fight an expert grappler. The goal to sharpen their skills and make them a more complete fighter. If those opponents are too good at their area, chances are Fedor would be able to take the fight to the area that the oponent is at hi weakest like the ground for the striker or staying standing against a grappler.

Look at Wanderlei Silva's record. He faught a mixture of cans and tough competition his entire career which buit him up to the grea fighter he is now.

[Reavant]

and before someone says "why woud he need to do that hes already the best blah blah"... theres always someone out there thats better or at the very least have what it takes to beat the top dog and you need to constantly sharpen and refine your game so that you are ready for opponents like that.

[Kris P Lettus]

I didn't really want to get into a "Why Fedor is considered one of the best" discussions but OK.. I was just letting Ant know who he was.. Anyway, every fight I've ever seen of his has been super exciting.. I think the fact that he doesn't look dominant yet is intrigues me.. Like, he looks like a normal guy with a little beer gut and all but is a beast in the ring.. I don't think I've ever seen him gas.. He has amazing composure even when he is seemingly "losing" (he never seems to freak out when bloody or in a bad ground position).. He has crazy ground control and agility for a bigger guy.. And he is one of the best strikers and has quick hands for any weightclass but specially for heavyweight..

I think him vs Couture will be great but I think Fedor will take it, specially if they stayed on their feet..

[Reavant]

there ya go :D

[McLegend]

Floyd Mayweather thinking about getting into Mark Cuban's MMA promotion

[Kris P Lettus]

Floyd Mayweather is a piece of shit..

[Reavant]

id love to see him in mma...



























































maybe then he would shut up

[Kris P Lettus]

Just stumbled across this:

http://www.mmarocks.pl/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/rampage_83udfslf3.JPG

[Rob]

Mayweather wouldn't last 2 minutes in a MMA fight.

[Reavant]

hes just doing it for leverage in getting more money in another fight. hes not going to fight in mma.

[Stickman]

Kripsy's comment on how Fedor is a normal looking dude who kicks as is pretty bang on.

I do think right now Couture takes it though. He just seems to be in the right frame of mind.

[Reavant]

Fedor came in at the top level at the time and got better as the sport began to develop. Randy came in as a great wrestler that was good but not the best and has rose exponentially to the point he is now.

[CSL]

How long's Dave Meltzer been writing for Yahoo?

[Rob]

A few months.

[Kris P Lettus]

UFC® 79 NEMESIS


<table id="FightCardPrint" class="data_table" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <thead> <tr> <th>Name</th> <th>Height</th> <th>Weight</th> <th>Record</th> <th> </th> <th>Name</th> <th>Height</th> <th>Weight</th> <th>Record</th> </tr> </thead> <tfoot> </tfoot> <tbody> <tr class="data_row_alt"> <td>Matt Hughes</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>170</td> <td>43-5-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Georges St-Pierre</td> <td>5' 10" (178 cm)</td> <td>170</td> <td>14-2-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td>Chuck Liddell</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>20-5-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Wanderlei Silva</td> <td>5' 11" (180 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>31-7-1</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row_alt"> <td>Lyoto Machida</td> <td>6' 1" (185 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>11-0-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Rameau Sokoudjou</td> <td>6' 0" (183 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>4-1-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td>Rich Clementi</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>37-12-1</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Melvin Guillard</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>39-7-3</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row_alt"> <td>Soa Palelei</td> <td>6' 4" (193 cm)</td> <td>265</td> <td>8-1-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Eddie Sanchez</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> <td>230</td> <td>9-1-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td>Luiz Cane</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>8-0-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>James Irvin</td> <td>6' 2" (188 cm)</td> <td>205</td> <td>12-4-1</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row_alt"> <td>Nate Mohr</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>8-4-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Manny Gamburyan</td> <td>5' 5" (165 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>5-3-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td>Jordan Radev</td> <td>5' 7" (170 cm)</td> <td>185</td> <td>16-2-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Dean Lister</td> <td>6' 1" (185 cm)</td> <td>185</td> <td>9-5-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row_alt"> <td>Roan Carneiro</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>170</td> <td>11-6-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Tony DeSouza</td> <td>6' 1" (185 cm)</td> <td>170</td> <td>10-3-0</td> </tr> <tr class="data_row"> <td>Mark Bocek</td> <td>5' 8" (173 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>4-1-0</td> <td style="padding: 0pt; text-align: center;">http://www.ufc.com/images/events_vs.gif</td> <td>Doug Evans</td> <td>5' 9" (175 cm)</td> <td>155</td> <td>6-1-0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Can't wait for tomorrow night..

[Reavant]

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[Reavant]

His training is pure madness

[Kris P Lettus]

I respect him as a fighter, but I hate how he has a gang of faggots who run out a massage his greasy body after every fight..

[Reavant]

lol that was chute box

[Reavant]

on an unrelated note..... this is the funniest shit ive ever seen!
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[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

I hate his big slow ass too..

[Jamstar]

Cmon GSP & Cmon THE ICEMAN !!! :y:

[Rob]

That's my two big picks as well.

[Fox]

As much as I love the Iceman, I'm afraid he's on a decline and that Silva, in his first UFC fight in 7 years, is going to take this one by TKO.

[Kris P Lettus]

Cmon GSP & Cmon THE ICEMAN !!! :y:

werd

[Kris P Lettus]

first UFC fight in 7 years

Does that really matter??

It's arguable but it could be said he was fighting better fighters in Pride than he would have been in UFC.. (which I believe)

I mean in those seven years he was fighting the likes of Dangerous Dan Henderson, Sakuraba, Rampage, Guy Mezger, Mark Hunt, Fajita, Cro Cop, etc etc etc..

Other than Couture, Tito, and Liddell what "big money" match has he missed out on??

[Reavant]

I got GSP and Wand

[Rob]

Does that really matter??

It's arguable but it could be said he was fighting better fighters in Pride than he would have been in UFC.. (which I believe)

I mean in those seven years he was fighting the likes of Dangerous Dan Henderson, Sakuraba, Rampage, Guy Mezger, Mark Hunt, Fajita, Cro Cop, etc etc etc..

Other than Couture, Tito, and Liddell what "big money" match has he missed out on??

It matters because every Pride star has failed in the UFC since the buy out. Also because he was allowed to take whatever drugs he wanted to in Japan and can't in the States. He had great competition in Pride but also had his share of cans.

Also - Fajita made me laugh.

[Reavant]

Yea but a lot of Liddel's matches were way of 2 win rematches. Most coming off of KOs the first time. He knocked out randy, tito, and babalu in that fasion and thats all in 25 fights. Other than Sakuraba and Rampage, Wanderlei faught different people every fight with barely any 2 win rematches for 39 fights. Its hard to keep a successful streak like he had fighting all different kinds of opponents and fighting styles without getting caught a couple of times.

[Kris P Lettus]

Also - Fajita made me laugh.

I like Fajita.. He made Shamrock submit by allowing Ken to punch him in the head until he was gassed..

I just found out I'm prolly not watching the PPV tonight..

:(

[Rob]

Fujita?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yes..

In 2000 at Pride 10.. I just saw it on the FSN Pride show a few years back..

Shamrock gave him everything he had and I believe late in the second round (with the Pride 10 minute first), Shamrock was completely gassed and Fujita just kept coming and Shamrocks corner threw in the towel..

[Fox]

Is there usually a UFC PPV thread during the event? I don't think I've ever been on here for one before.

[Kris P Lettus]

No..

This is the all purpose MMA thread so 95% of all MMA discussion happens in here.. Even TUF discussion..

[Kris P Lettus]

I wanted us to have an entire forum..

:(

[Kris P Lettus]

Does anyone know a site that does good play by play for PPV's??

[Crimson]

Myspace forums.. :shifty:

[Crimson]

Or mma weekly updates after each fight i think

[Rob]

Did you ask if I knew a site streaming the show? :shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

I did in my thread bitching about not being able to watch it in casual..

Please??

[Kris P Lettus]

PM me

[Rob]

No :shifty:

[Crimson]

I'm fuckin pumped..watchin the football game , gettin ready for the fights to start..does it get any better for a guy? Oh yea just some strippers.

[Rob]

Strippers this way please.

[Y2Ant]

Sweet we get it for free on Bravo tomorrow night at 9. I'll probably find out who wins before then though :o

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know, someone should PM me this streaming site that doesn't exist too.

[Kris P Lettus]

It's not working..

[Kris P Lettus]

:(

[Rob]

Soku got fucking humbled!

So did that retard Melvin earlier and Clementi just became my favourite fighter with his celebrations.

[Rob]

Sanchez got a 3rd round KO. Boring ass shit.

Liddell dominates round 1. Silva gets better of first 3mins of 2nd but Liddell back super strong. Close round. 3rd is all Liddell standing and Silva looks like shit. I have it 30-28 to Liddell.

[Rob]

It's 29-28, 30-27 twice for Liddell.

[Rob]

GSP vs. Hughes.

Round 1 - Hughes comes out fighting southpaw to get better chance at the takedown. Doesn't work. GSP blocks takedown, gets his own, batters Hughes against the cage in his guard and eventually moves to full mount and nearly hits a rolling arm bar to win but the round ends. 10-9 GSP.

[Rob]

GSP wins late second round arm bar, Fucking well tight. TOTAL domination. Up until then it was much of the same of the first. GSP took him down at will, dominated the ground, took whatever position he wanted and then nearly ripped his arm off his body.

GSP does a spinarooni celebration!

[Rob]

GSP also just threw down the interim title and says Serra is the real champion. Total class.

[Rob]

They are showing Gamburyan vs. Moor now. Manny wins in 90 seconds so I'm off to bed. It will be on UFC.com in a bit anyway with the rest of the prelims.

[Kris P Lettus]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Fignuts]

Fuck, all my fav pride guys are, or are beginning to become washed up.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hughes :(

(Yeah fuck you guys, I'm sad he lost. :( I like GSP but have been a Hughes fan forever.)

[Vastardikai]

Random Nemesis Crap:

* Clementi busted out a Full Nelson with a Body Scissors. and the hatred was awesome. Fuck Melvin, btw.
* Sokudouju = ANOTHER Pride flop. Or, Machida fucked him up.
* Palelei vs. Sanchez was a piece of shit. Me and my buddy tapped watching that fight.
* Liddell vs. Vanderlei was epic. Chuck won decisively, but he busted out takedowns, which was a shock. We forgot about the snore-fest before.
* GSP > You. My arm hurt.
* Manny probably broke Mohr's leg. And he felt bad about it. Owww...
* Lines of the Night: "Have you ever heard of training Jiu Jitsu, Melvin?" -Clementi & "Tap Tap TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!" -Hughes.

[Crimson]

lol I didn't know they had I quit matches in the UFC. Hughes couldn't tap so he had to scream it out..awesome.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hughes :(

(Yeah fuck you guys, I'm sad he lost. :( I like GSP but have been a Hughes fan forever.)

Hughes is a retarded redneck piece of shit..

[Rob]

lol I didn't know they had I quit matches in the UFC. Hughes couldn't tap so he had to scream it out..awesome.

He could have tapped. He just verbally quit.

[Reavant]

Hughes was beat like a child.... And fuckin Wanderlei. He didnt look aggressive at all and he let chuck stand up from the ground twice. He never does that. Maybe the motivation isnt there for him anymore now that hes not fighting to keep food on his plate anymore.

[Jamstar]

hughes v gsp

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=25000450

sodu v mach

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=24987153

liddel v silva

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=24992671

[Kris P Lettus]

:love:

It's cool as fuck that Zuffa puts them online..

[Jamstar]

guillard vs clementi

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=24982360

[Rob]

Hughes was beat like a child.... And fuckin Wanderlei. He didnt look aggressive at all and he let chuck stand up from the ground twice. He never does that. Maybe the motivation isnt there for him anymore now that hes not fighting to keep food on his plate anymore.

I dunno he looked okay in the second round and looked well up for the fight before. He isn't in his comfort zone anymore.

[Innovator]

Man Wanderlei has a fucking chin. I thought a couple times that he was going to go the way of Tito and get pounded out in the cage.

Also GSP had his way with Hughes, 9 minutes of imposing his will.

[Reavant]

I dunno he looked okay in the second round and looked well up for the fight before. He isn't in his comfort zone anymore.

well yea he def. looked uncomfortable but the only time he opened up and swung was when he was getting rocked against the cage. He used to just throw and throw and throw without stopping before. Maybe he should have had someone else as his first opponent. People can say hes not on roids or whatever but he could have been on everything possible and he still would have lost that fight because he didnt do anything.

[Kris P Lettus]

Wanderlei Silva's "Comfort Zone" is another man's anus, for the record..

[Rob]

You can tell him that.

[Reavant]

:nono:

[Danny Electric]

George Rushhhhhhhhhhh St Pierre

Affliction tee in the post :)

[Blitz]

I love GSP.

[Rob]

Who doesn't?

I'm still taking Serra for the upset though :D

[weather vane]

GSP is a fag.

[Rob]

1 - You'd get whooped by the fag.

2 - He is banging Rachelle Leah.

[Danny Electric]

who's she?

[Rob]

www.rachelleleah.com

[Dave Youell]

So say Serra was out for another 6 months, would GSP have to defend the interim title he threw down?

[Innovator]

1 - You'd get whooped by the fag.

2 - He is banging Rachelle Leah.
Wow.....just makes GSP even more of the man

[weather vane]

GSP is a huge fag. I would beat the piss out of him.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL Spilchuk

[Crimson]

What..GSP is banging Leah? Burkman was bangin Arianny for awhile,maybe still. I liked the blonde one ..she likes to get banged

[weather vane]

I am going to go to the next PPV and call out GSP. I am sick of his lies.

[Rob]

Any news from your boy Arlovski Reavant?

[pourhousenyc]

Saturday, January 19th

9:00pm

Come for our Double-Header special!

Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones Jr. Boxing

UFC 80 Rapid Fire Championship Penn Vs Stevenson

Come experience the excitement at our own version Fight Club!

$20 General Admission-

$50 VIP- 3 hour premium open bar

To purchase tickets log onto http://proofnyc.com/fightnight.php

[Kris P Lettus]

What??

[Dave Youell]

Party round that guys house!

[Reavant]

Any news from your boy Arlovski Reavant?

he was in jamaca over new years but hes in bellarus right now because his grandma died. He was told that they were trying to get him in the febuary or march cards against kongo or cro cop, but he doesnt know if his contract has been sealed up yet.

[Crimson]

Ok..Brock Lesnar needs to come out to his wwe theme music..that'd kick ass

[Reavant]

if i dont see at least the attempt at an F-5 ima be a little pissed

[Rob]

he was in jamaca over new years but hes in bellarus right now because his grandma died. He was told that they were trying to get him in the febuary or march cards against kongo or cro cop, but he doesnt know if his contract has been sealed up yet.

About 5 seconds, after I posted my thing, I heard from a very reliable source that whether his contract gets signed or not, he is fighting Cro Cop in London in March.

[Rob]

Scrap that last post, they are fighting in Manchester in March.

[Reavant]

About 5 seconds, after I posted my thing, I heard from a very reliable source that whether his contract gets signed or not, he is fighting Cro Cop in London in March.

i havnt seen him since b4 new years so ii couldnt tell ya if its true or not. If it is, i hope he beats the shit out of him so he has some leverage to bargain.

[Kris P Lettus]

Are they fighting at 205 or heavyweight??

[Rob]

Heavyweight. Arlovski ain't making 205 and UFC doesn't want Cro Cop there.

[Kris P Lettus]

Obv Cro Cop doesn't want to be in the heavyweight division cause by the looks of it, he hasn't been able to hang in there..

[Rob]

He actually does. He has publicly said he doesn't want to cut weight to 205lbs.

[Innovator]

I don't think Arlovski has 40 lbs to cut, dude is pretty ripped at 240-245

Even if he did try to cut, he'd be exhuasted from it

[Kris P Lettus]

How big is Cro Cop right now??

Cause he fought mostly at "middleweight" (which is lightheavy weight) in Pride, no??

[Rob]

He fought at heavyweight in Pride. He walks at about 230lbs.

[Rob]

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[McLegend]

I had no idea the January 19th show was a PPV... I thought it was a spike show.

I hope Gonzaga fucks shit up. I still think hes awsome.

[Crimson]

Aren't usually ppv's in England free here? Is the 19th overthere?

[McLegend]

Yeah that was my thinking, but I saw a TV add for it, and it's on there website as being a PPV for us Americans.

I really hate these overseas shows.

[Crimson]

I don't mind em as long as we get em free. If not i'll just wait till the Silva/Henderson bout.

[Innovator]

http://www.championsway.net/data/13972/shop/largeimage/221542.bmp

[Kris P Lettus]

Horrible shirt..

[Rob]

For everyone in Britain, Setanta Sports signed a deal to exclusive coverage of UFC. Low down is from July, we'll get the U.S shows live :D

[Kris P Lettus]

Won't it be like 4AM when they'd come on though??

[Crimson]

Shamrock vs. Shamrock for next year they've announced. 1st round knockout for Frank...unless they pre plan it to which Ken takes him down a few, makes it close, and takes it to the 3rd round when Frank finally lays him out.

[Destor]

you think they would work it?

[Innovator]

Jorge Rivera just KOed Kendall Grove...took him down and landed some bombs

[Innovator]

New Lightweight Champion, BJ Penn by rear naked choke in the 2nd

Joe got cut BAD, like Eddie at Judgement Day 2004 bad in the 1st round

[CSL]

For everyone in Britain, Setanta Sports signed a deal to exclusive coverage of UFC. Low down is from July, we'll get the U.S shows live :D

Was gonna come and post this. 'Tis good news since I have Setanta. About time I saw what the fuss was about.

[Reavant]

lots of good action in this ppv. Every match was very entertaining.

[Rob]

Place went fucking insane live for BJ Penn for some reason. I have no idea why. Maybe just because he is pushed as a star but his reaction was pretty damn close to Bisping's in Manchester. Everyone was chanting "Cheat!" at Sean Sherk too. :D

Good time at this show though. Newcastle is a fucking great town too. I think it's my favourite now. More PPV's in Newcastle please. Fuck the rest of Britain.

[Reavant]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5500&zoneid=13

Sherk and penn confirmed for May, and Werdum is now somehow in line for the title if Randy doesnt come back.

CroCop doesnt know what he wants to do so now theyre saying Andrei is going to fight Jake O'Brian at the March 1st ppv.

Also Ortiz is slated to fight Manchida in may as well.

[Reavant]

Andrei's fight with Jake Obrien probably will be on the undercard and not shown on TV

[Kris P Lettus]

That is bullshit..

I would love to see Andrei back to his old form..

[Rob]

Ortiz is saying the Machida fight will be his last in the UFC.

We'll see. Unless he retires, I can't see it.

[Innovator]

Sucks, I'd like to see Tito against the new batch of light heavyweights

[Rob]

Like who?

[Crimson]

Houston Alexander!! haha

[Innovator]

-Tito/Jardine
-Tito/Bisping
-Tito/Hamill
-Tito/Silva
-Tito/Shogun

All could work

[Reavant]

That is bullshit..

I would love to see Andrei back to his old form..

Amen brother. UFC is mad at him because he wont resign his contract. They think hes going to fight his last fight and leave. Theyre betting on Obrien having another win like his one against heath herring where he took him down and layed on him for 15 minutes. They think that he can take andrei down and lay on him. They want him to have a nother boring fight and hopefully a loss at that so that the fans will be pissed and he wont be a draw in another organization. However they dont know that andrei has been working on his wrestling for over a year now and hes been picking it up really quickly. Not to mention hes got a real good gaurd. Im decent at it especially since ive been wrestling for 10 years and he can sweep and pull off submissions on the ground on me. So I think Zuffa is going to be pulling their hair out when andrei finishes him. I just hope he does because no matter how dominate he is, if it goes to a decision, hes going to lose.

[Shaggy]

Another UFC champion is speaking out against the promotion he once called home.

In an interview on Sirius’ Fight Network Radio on Monday, a disgruntled Tito Ortiz cited money as a primary point of contention with Zuffa LLC, the Las Vegas-based company that purchased the mixed martial arts’ brand in early 2001 and turned it into a $200 million-plus industry over the next five years.

“They don’t want the fighters to get as big as a 'Tyson' or a 'De La Hoya' or one of those types because all of a sudden, they’ll be expecting to see a lot more payment,” said Ortiz. “The UFC makes about 99 percent of the money, and the rest goes to the fighters. That one percent ain't nothing compared to what they make on merchandising, on pay-per-view, and everything else they make around the world.”

Ortiz is not the only marquee fighter to take Zuffa to task. UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture resigned from the organization on Oct. 11, citing compensation and poor treatment within the company as his main motivations. Couture walked away from his title, two contracted fights and a separate employment contract for commentating and promotional duties. Zuffa filed suit with Couture last Monday for breach of his employment contract.

A polarizing former UFC light heavyweight champion, Ortiz confirmed he will face Lyoto Machida (12-0) at a UFC event on Saturday, May 24 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. The bout will satisfy the final fight of his UFC contract.

Expecting a rematch with “The Ultimate Fighter 2” winner Rashad Evans, Ortiz (15-5-1) said he begrudgingly accepted the bout with the Japanese-Brazilian fighter who toppled PRIDE sensation Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou with a second-round submission at UFC 79 “Nemesis” on Dec. 29 in Las Vegas.

“I was expecting a bigger fight. I think the fans were expecting a bigger fight,” said Ortiz. “I got pressed into it, and all of a sudden, it’s all over the Internet that Tito Ortiz won’t fight Machida. I’m just looking to get my final fight over with the UFC.”

Ortiz has headlined 17 of his 20 UFC appearances since he stepped into the Octagon at UFC 13 “Ultimate Force” in May 1997. Energetic and captivating, Ortiz became the UFC’s light heavyweight champion after his vicotry against future PRIDE Fighting Championships star Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25 in April 2004. A poster boy for the promotion, he lost the title to Chuck Liddell (21-5) via a second-round TKO at UFC 47 four years later.

Ortiz’s rematch against Liddell at UFC 66 in December 2006 remains the largest UFC pay-per-view to date, with a reported 1,000,050 buys. The event also holds the North American record for paid attendance, with 12,191 fans shelling out $5,397,300 to see the former friends rumble. The 33-year-old said he’s banked over $ 1 million per fight in his latest outings, but that half those wages go to taxes and training expenses.

Money has always been at the root of a rocky relationship with Zuffa officials. In 2003, Ortiz held out on a pay raise from the Las Vegas promotion in favor of a supporting movie role in a sequel to “The Crow." Ortiz eventually returned to the fold, but the relationship remained strained.

Ortiz’s troubles with the promotion have become public fodder, particularly with his former manager turned UFC president Dana White, who has belittled the fighter and his girlfriend, Jenna Jameson -- the world’s most recognizable porn star -- in numerous interviews.

The clash between promoter and fighter came to a head last fall, when Spike TV aired a special documenting a regulated boxing session the two were to have had in a Las Vegas gym. Ortiz said he pulled out of the bout ahead of time, claiming compensation for the publicity stunt was never agreed upon. The cameras rolled with White waiting at the scales.

Nearing the end of his contract last year, Ortiz opted to go back to the table with UFC majority owner Lorenzo Fertitta. Subsequent negotiations stalled.

“They said I wasn’t worth the money,” said Ortiz. “I was worth no more than what I’m getting paid now, and I’m not a commodity to them anymore. I’m not as viable to them anymore. That was a sign of disrespect.”

Ortiz also believes White's ill feelings towards him will most likely prevent the fighter from getting a shot at the UFC title again.

"With Dana in charge, I don't think that fight will ever happen for me," said Ortiz. "Dana has bad blood for me and nothing but bad blood. They're going to try and ruin me."

Often at the center of controversy in the sport, bleached-blonde wrestler Ortiz, 33, has managed to stay in the spotlight despite his inactivity. After his heated July 7 draw with “The Ultimate Fighter 3” reality TV series winner Rashad Evans (11-0-1) at UFC 73 “Stacked” in Sacramento, Ortiz (15-5-1) landed a stint on NBC’s “The Celebrity Apprentice,” alongside KISS frontman Gene Simmons and actor Stephen Baldwin. The show is now in its third week, with Ortiz donating his earnings to the St. Jude’s Children's Hospital.

“UFC is caring so much about the brand itself,” said Ortiz. “They could care less about the fighters. Fighters are a dime a dozen. They’ll keep coming. Dana is really out for himself and the company. He doesn’t give a s--t about the fighters.”

[Rob]

-Tito/Jardine
-Tito/Bisping
-Tito/Hamill
-Tito/Silva
-Tito/Shogun

All could work

Tito won't fight Hamill. He has already beaten Silva but would probably take that fight now. Bisping is a middleweight now and Tito asked at least twice to fight Shogun and they didn't book it. At least once was before Shogun lost to Griffin.

And he'd fucking kill Houston Alexander. He has no takedown defense. Rush and double leg, ground and pound and fight over.

[Reavant]

Tito is done anyway. Too one dementional. and is unwilling to change.

[Innovator]

Tito won't fight Hamill. He has already beaten Silva but would probably take that fight now. Bisping is a middleweight now and Tito asked at least twice to fight Shogun and they didn't book it. At least once was before Shogun lost to Griffin.

And he'd fucking kill Houston Alexander. He has no takedown defense. Rush and double leg, ground and pound and fight over.
Yeah thats why I didn't say it.

It's a shame, I'll miss Tito's smack-talking.

[Rob]

I think he'll be back. Maybe after a spell as a failed actor but he'll be back.

[Reavant]

haha you know hes going to end up in porn before its all said and done

[Kris P Lettus]

I would have liked to see Tito/Dan Henderson..

[The Lone Wolf]

I would have liked to see Tito/Dan Henderson..

i thnk that would have a been a good fight a few years back and while i still think it would draw big numbers, i think henderson is still in his prime and tito is on the decline.

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh, Dan would def murder him, just saying, I like to see Tito get murdered..

[The Lone Wolf]

In that case I completely agree. In fact, i think that Tito is deserveing of a title shot so he can head to head with rampage.

[Kris P Lettus]

I think he said he didn't want to fight Rampage..

[Innovator]

Fight Night at 9, Swick vs. Burkman

[Kris P Lettus]

Fight Night at 9, Swick vs. Burkman

I wish I had known this was tonight..

Gonna watch the mainevent though..

Who else fought??

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL there's a fight in the audience during a Sly Stallone interview..

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

Patrick Cote yelled "FUCK YOU" into the camera after that KO..

[Reavant]

Krispy still cracks up when he hears swear words

[Rob]

I think he said he didn't want to fight Rampage..

He said he'd only fight for huge money which Rampage agreed.

[Reavant]

Swick didnt look very impressive

[Kris P Lettus]

Who won the main event??

I switched channels to the local news after the end of the third and when I switched back it was already on Pros Vs Joes..

O_o

Yeah that main event was lackluster at best..

[The Lone Wolf]

I think he said he didn't want to fight Rampage..

Gee I wonder why ....

[Kris P Lettus]

He is a huge vagina..

Did anyone see this Bantom Weight Title fight between Rani Yahya Vs. Chase Beebe on WEC Wreakage??

F'n awesome fight..

[Rob]

No WEC in England. This sucks.

I'm 99% going to Vegas for the May show. Finally will get to see Tito Ortiz fighting inside the Octagon. Already saw him fight once but that wasn't exactly legal and he got in a bit of bother :shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

It was a BJJ/wrestling clinic..

[Kris P Lettus]

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Best KO ever..

[Kris P Lettus]

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Last video for now..

I just stumbled across these..

:y:

[Crimson]

Cool shiet.

Anyone know anything about Nick Diaz returning to the cage? I wana see him fight again.

[The Lone Wolf]

why do they want brock to headline 85 if he hasnt even had his first fight yet? goes to show how much faith they have in mir.

[Destor]

why do they want brock to headline 85 if he hasnt even had his first fight yet? goes to show how much faith they have in mir.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5XLkqQwIT2k

[The Lone Wolf]

Kim was fed to Lesnar for an easy win. Lesnar has not had a match in the ufc against top competition to prove he should be in the main event.

[Destor]

He's still had a fight though, that's all I was sayng. As for the main event thing, Lesnar is currently one of the top stars the UFC has, and he hasn't even debuted yet. People will buy this JUST to see him fight. This is about marketing and buy rates, not dues.

To put it simply, if he gets laid out in his first fight they wil never lke have a chance to make money off him again, it's now or never.

Not to mention, ITS THE FIGHT THE MAJORITY IS THE MOST INTERESTED IN ON THAT CARD. If that doesn't make you main event material what does.

[Reavant]

i hope brock dominates most of the fight and mir gets him in a tricky sub.... at least that way its not a bad loss for brock and mir is back in the picture

[Rob]

If Brock loses, he lost to a former UFC champion. Not some bum. If he wins, sky is the limit.

[Reavant]

if he gets dominated tho it will look bad.... if he gets caught in a sub he still could do whatever he wants

[Crimson]

His nickname HAS to be the Next big thing..it could fit him well in UFC too.

And if he busts Mir wide open he HAS to smear his blood on his chest, ala Hogan.

[Destor]

The Judge would work well for Lesnar

[Jordan]

It doesn't matter. He is already a star, why waste millions on an easy fight?

[Crimson]

No easy fight my friend. read what Destor said up top.

[Kris P Lettus]

Some UFC guys are gonna be on some "Fight Science" show on National Geographic tonight..

FYI

[Kris P Lettus]

It was Couture, Tito, Dean Lister, and the greatest fighter of all time "El Guapo" Bas Rutten (and some guy who played sparing parter/punching bag who I didn't know).. It was f'n sweet.. They tested how hard they hit, slammed, choked, etc.. They also went on and on about how "UFC" (they kept naming it) had taken so many steps to making fighting safe.. It was a good show for the sport, too bad prolly not alot of people saw it..

I wish Bill O'Reilly saw it..

[Vastardikai]

I wish Bill O'Reilly saw it..

It wouldn't register in his little pea brain.

[Reavant]

he would have bitched about how the dummy wasnt treated fairly

[Rob]

The closer it gets, the more convinced I am that Lesnar is gonna kill this fucker. But I also have an image of Mir knocking him out. Hardest fight to call in a long time purely because of Lesnar's inexperience.

[Kris P Lettus]

Lesnar will be able to take him down, even Mir said it on the Countdown to UFC 81 thing that was on last night.. Mir seems to think that his Jujitsu will get him the win even on the ground, but I think Lesnar will be able to overpower Mir and pretty much do whatever he wants to him the entire fight..

Also Nog>Sylvia..

[Innovator]

Lesnar will be able to take him down, even Mir said it on the Countdown to UFC 81 thing that was on last night.. Mir seems to think that his Jujitsu will get him the win even on the ground, but I think Lesnar will be able to overpower Mir and pretty much do whatever he wants to him the entire fight..

Also Nog>Sylvia..
Everytime Tim Sylvia wins a fight, a kitten dies

[Crimson]

Sylvia has no game with the ladies.

[Rob]

He has fucked women wearing the UFC heavyweight title. I have no problem with this.

[RP]

I think Lesnar will beat the living shit out of Mirs face and end this fight in about 55 seconds.

[Reavant]

i hope brock dominates most of the fight and mir gets him in a tricky sub.... at least that way its not a bad loss for brock and mir is back in the picture

i am all man

[SammyG]

lol good call

[Rob]

Fair play on the call but you gotta admit that Mir should be blowing Steve Mazzagatti for saving his life.

[Jamstar]

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/lesnar+mir/video/x496if_brock-lesnar-vs-frank-mir_sport

full brock vs mir

[RP]

I think Lesnar will beat the living shit out of Mirs face and end this fight in about 55 seconds.

ROFL good call jackass.

[RP]

wait wTF!

[Jamstar]

you were close except for the textbook kneebar. Was choreographed and everything

[Kris P Lettus]

Good call Reav..

Lesnar looked really good but got way too over confident.. If he had slowed it down he would have won I think..

WTF Lesnar is married to Sable??

Who won Nog Vs Big Slow??

[Reavant]

Fair play on the call but you gotta admit that Mir should be blowing Steve Mazzagatti for saving his life.

haha didnt i say brock would dominate him???

[Reavant]

WTF Lesnar is married to Sable??

Who won Nog Vs Big Slow??

in typical nog fasion... he got beat the fuck out of and pulled a submission

[Crimson]

Yea Brock shoulda got a warning instead of a point deductoon right away. Pretty funny how a bunch of WWE guys were there..they shoulda done a run in when Brock was in the leglock.

[McLegend]

Brock will be heavyweight Champion within 2 years

[Innovator]

Can Big John come back to reffing? Just main events

[Vastardikai]

Also, David Heath getting slammed on his head from the Thai Clinch by a complete Unknown = LOL.

[Vastardikai]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q34/smokingunz999/heathbomy5.gif

[Destor]

bouch was on fire

[Reavant]

he threw him with an underhook not a thai clinch

[Vastardikai]

Now that I look at it, yeah it was more of a hip toss than a thai clinch.

but still, how did Heath land on his HEAD from that position?

[Reavant]

he was clearly out cold on his feet and his body was just following its muscle memory by basing back up after he hit the ground. I mean the guy just let himself get nailed with knee after knee to the head right before that.

[Stickman]

Lesner looked good but got caught.

[Reavant]

Welp I called it again... ok I was told by him... but its official on ufc.com now for you guys to check it out... andrei is on the undercard

[Crimson]

jesus christ Shogun/Iceman for june kjcxhcjchejc!!kel