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redoneja
10-11-2007, 06:55 PM
Dana White posted the following at UFC.tv:
“I’m not surprised at all by Randy’s decision. I talked to Randy several weeks ago and he said that if he couldn’t fight Fedor, then he has nothing left to prove in the sport of mixed martial arts.
He has been doing a lot of acting, and I know he is in South Africa right now filming a movie. I think it’s a great move for Randy’s acting career to retire from fighting while he is on top.
As we all know, Randy retired before. The landscape in MMA changes every day. So when he is ready to come out of retirement again, he is still under contract with me, and I’m ready to promote him.”
Reavant
10-11-2007, 09:33 PM
god damn im good
Dave Youell
10-12-2007, 03:39 AM
god damn im good
Good call :y:
YOUR Hero
10-12-2007, 09:58 AM
Glad to see Dana's comments were all positive. Reading that makes me think that Dana might be able to get Randy to come back for an analyst role or some sort of special appearance. when I say analyst, I don't mean for a career, but at a major event or the like.
YOUR Hero
10-12-2007, 09:59 AM
...I was going to say he should hold a retirement ceremony for Randy but that might not be wise, because Randy may have a desire to fight again in the future.
Reavant
10-12-2007, 02:48 PM
Dana needs to step back and become more professional. As much as he thinks it is, his demographic is not 18-35. At my wrestling facility, there is classes with kids that are in junior high and elementary school and many of them dont miss anything that has to do with ufc. When the kids want to horse around with the jujitsu or strikijng they dont say "lets do mma" they say "ufc me." Dana has made the sport main stream. Everyone at least knows what it is. However he is probably one of the most unprofessional presidents of any company anywhere.
As a face of a company like UFC, you cannot be seen on TV swearing and talking like a punk kid from boston. At first it was funny and entertaining, but that cant continue. I believe that the failure to sign a deal with HBO and a contract with Fedor falls primarily on dana White's shoulders. You cant discuss dealings with other parties publically especially when nothing has been worked out to begin with, and then go on to bash who ever backs out of a possable deal or doesnt do what dana wants. (i.e. His comments on wanderlei silva after he opted to fight in november rather than september with chuck and his current comments on Fedor after he signed with M-1).
An executive of a company needs to do be democratic enough to do what is best for the entire company. The problem seems to be that Dana has started to develop the personality of many of his fighters in terms of how he does business. It looks as if he thinks noone can compete with him, and if you dont want to be here then we dont need you and you will be nothing. Or even not letting guys fight in the UFC because of personal conflicts fighters that have nothing to do with their fighting ability or performance. Along with keeping guys off camera that seem to have "boring" fights are all huge mistakes being made by Dana White and Zuffa.
I really think that Dana could really end up biting himself in the ass, because if other companies such as M-1 find a way to offer fighters more money or treat them better, then we could start to see a lot more fighters start to jump ship FAST!
Mercury Bullet
10-12-2007, 05:30 PM
I think that White has the same problem a lot of businessmen do, where they only think in terms of money. Whats going to happen eventually, is solid fighters are gonna take a pay cut for better treatment and more opportunity elsewhere. That, in turn, is going to build up other promotions with better fighters putting on better fights. And, when all is said and done, it was the "money first" philosophy that is going to set UFC back financially long term.
They are the biggest promotion, but they aren't the only promotion and if somewhere else is going to provide better treatment, people are going to start making the jump.
Mercury Bullet
10-14-2007, 08:30 PM
Rumors are saying Ricardo Arona has signed with M-1.
Reavant
10-15-2007, 12:15 PM
same rumors are saying hes fighting fedor too...... RIP ricardo
Mercury Bullet
10-15-2007, 12:36 PM
That is a HUGE fight for that company. If they can keep up at this pace they are going to give UFC a little competition.
They aren't any competition. UFC is MMA right now. Sucks that Randy Couture has gone but oh well. They built a franchise after he quit the last time. And he might feel a little stupid when Fedor ends up in the UFC after all this.
Reavant
10-15-2007, 09:40 PM
that depends on what american bought M-1
Reavant
10-15-2007, 09:41 PM
plus if UFC doesnt bargain with andrei, he could end up there too
Crimson
10-15-2007, 10:23 PM
UFC needs to becareful a little bit here..not signing Fedor, Couture retiring, Lidell and Ortiz 2 of their biggest draws are on a downslide..not the brightest it's been in awhile.
plus if UFC doesnt bargain with andrei, he could end up there too
Seriously get off his cock. You have name dropped him about 10 times now. You got a picture with him. Hey good for you pal. I got pictures with Matt Serra and Brandon Vera so I'll just start going on about how great they are like I know them personally.
Vera says he'd kill Arlovski. He told me this morning over tea and crumpets.
Apocolyptik1
10-16-2007, 02:20 PM
Vera says he'd kill Arlovski. He told me this morning over tea and crumpets.
That made me chuckle :lol: .
On another note, I think Vera is going to get manhandled by Sylvia.
Apocolyptik1
10-16-2007, 02:31 PM
Actually my last comment wasnt fair to say. I think Vera will do good in the opening round, finding his reach earlier and staying away from Sylvia. However, I dont see Vera hurting Sylvia, even though he has good feet/hands/knees. Then Sylvia will find his reach late in the 2nd, early in the 3rd and put him down.
They will start with hands, then trade kicks to see who is better. Knee's will be last resort to either fighter. I know a lot of people dont like Tim because of his slow methodical style, but it wins fights.
Mercury Bullet
10-16-2007, 02:52 PM
I didn't say they were competition at this time. But they are certainly putting something good together it would seem. And sometime down the road they are going to be knocking on UFC's door.
Reavant
10-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Seriously get off his cock. You have name dropped him about 10 times now. You got a picture with him. Hey good for you pal. I got pictures with Matt Serra and Brandon Vera so I'll just start going on about how great they are like I know them personally.
Vera says he'd kill Arlovski. He told me this morning over tea and crumpets.
I train with him you meat gazer. Every wed. from 230-430. So I guess I do know him personally dont I. Him and his manager tell me things and i figure you guys might like to hear it. And so it doesnt seem like I make shit up, I give you the source that told me. I figure its probably good information if its coming from them. So yea I guess Im name dropping but its not to make me look cool rather than its to make the information more credible. This is an MMA thread and Id figure information about anyone in MMA would be realivant.
Reavant
10-16-2007, 03:17 PM
on another note.....
New MMA Organization Cage Fighting Championships, Inc. (CFC) Offers $3 Million Purse for Randy Couture VS Fedor Emelianenko
DAVIE, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Cage Fighting Championships (CFC) Spokesperson Crawford Grimsley announced today, “The CFC will put up a $3,000,000 purse to bring the Couture vs Emelianenko fight to Pay-Per-View. $1,000,000 will be guaranteed to each fighter while the winner takes home an additional cool million, making this the largest single purse for any one MMA fight.”
Grimsley, a former heavyweight boxer who went 12 rounds with big George Foreman for the world title in 1996 said, “I don’t know who set up the current MMA system of sanctioning bodies locking fighters into exclusive long term contracts. I do know who is out to change this system though, we are, the CFC. We are not going to try to reinvent the wheel, but we would like to add a little of the business model that professional boxing has adopted for decades. Can you imagine if professional boxing would not allow champion to fight champion. How many great boxing matches would we have missed?”
Grimsley added, “The UFC has made this sport into what it is today and my hat is off to them, but in the same regard, we feel the sport must allow the best from any league to fight each other when the time is right. We are willing to sit down with any and all parties necessary to make this fight happen including the UFC, Randy Couture, the Gersh Agency, Fedor Emelianenko, his manager Vadim Finkelstein and M-1. It happens everyday in boxing. That’s how you get an undisputed champion. This exclusivity only hurts the sport, the fans, the fighters and the amount of money a fighter can make. We are going to do everything we can to bring this fight and many others currently prohibited. It’s time for the MMA to change for the benefit of the fighters and fans, not the sanctioning bodies.”
The first CFC event took place October 6, 2007 and has already hit the radar of Mark Cuban’s HDNet Network, which only broadcasts in 1080i High Definition, and the hit show Inside MMA. Highlights of the first CFC Middleweight Title fight “Let the Rage Begin” aired this last Friday, October 12, 2007. For airing information, go to www.hd.net and look for the Inside MMA schedule.
About Cage Fighting Championships
The Cage Fighting Championships bring some of the world’s leading professional mixed martial arts professionals into battle inside a 6-foot high caged ring. Headquartered in Ft. Lauderdale, FL.
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071015006266&newsLang=en
Mercury Bullet
10-16-2007, 03:20 PM
That would be pretty sweet :y:
Crimson
10-16-2007, 10:03 PM
So now the UFC will put this in their contracts where they can't fight outside UFC. :|
Crimson
10-16-2007, 10:03 PM
They probably do already
McLegend
10-16-2007, 10:25 PM
We are not going to try to reinvent the wheel, but we would like to add a little of the business model that professional boxing has adopted for decades.
Copying the business model that has pretty much killed boxing is always a good idea.
Reavant
10-16-2007, 11:48 PM
They probably do already
no they actually do already
I train with him you meat gazer. Every wed. from 230-430. So I guess I do know him personally dont I. Him and his manager tell me things and i figure you guys might like to hear it. And so it doesnt seem like I make shit up, I give you the source that told me. I figure its probably good information if its coming from them. So yea I guess Im name dropping but its not to make me look cool rather than its to make the information more credible. This is an MMA thread and Id figure information about anyone in MMA would be realivant.
Yawn!
Glad to hear your "exclusives" are so different from everything else that has been listed. You train with him? Okay fine whatever. Now his manager tells you stuff? Your bullshit might be credible if some of it actually happened but NONE of it does. NONE! ZERO! NADA! ZIP!
But hey you got a pic with Arlovski. Good for you pal. :y:
Reavant
10-18-2007, 09:20 AM
Haha whatever dude... I dont care if you believe me or not. Fact is I do and your probably just jealous.
Oh and there was this:
Plus I see Randy not fighting again. Theres no reason to now. He would either fight Vera or Sylvia. Theres no shame in losing to Fedor, but he might just retire champion now. Hes making so much money with all his gyms and the movie deal for the new scorpion king movie apparently that he doesnt need the money.
If you check it... I said this a day before Randy retired.... you think i dreamed this up? No Leo, his manager told me he would more likely than not do this.
Destor
10-18-2007, 09:32 AM
This is hilarious coming from Rob. (But I do agree that name dropping immature, I don't name in the wrestling forum I'll say that much.)
The Naitch
10-18-2007, 10:39 PM
Reavant and Rob should fight in a cage
I'll supply the prize money
Crimson
10-19-2007, 12:18 AM
I don't really see it as name dropping..it's just Arlovski's name anyhow not a bunch of fighters. I mean if I trained with a UFC fighter i'd be hard pressed to keep my lips sealed,i'd probably be blabbering what he had as a snack.
This is hilarious coming from Rob. (But I do agree that name dropping immature, I don't name in the wrestling forum I'll say that much.)
How is it hilarious coming from me?
1 - Never named dropped even when I was buried for whatever I said. It might have come out that I knew one guy but even then I'm not sure.
2 - When I said something in the wrestling forum, how often was I wrong?
If anyone here happened to name drop but then gave useful info that actually was true then it wouldn't bother me. Seeing nothing backed up with name dropping is another story.
I don't really see it as name dropping..it's just Arlovski's name anyhow not a bunch of fighters. I mean if I trained with a UFC fighter i'd be hard pressed to keep my lips sealed,i'd probably be blabbering what he had as a snack.
That's a different story. Saying you saw Quinton Jackson eating a Snickers bar or something is different from saying he is telling you the low down of his MMA future.
Reavant and Rob should fight in a cage
I'll supply the prize money
Am I 12?
Mind you, I'd fight Fedor for £250,000.
Innovator
10-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Am I 12?
Mind you, I'd fight Fedor for £250,000.Couple welts and possibly a broken arm for that much? Yeah I'd take it
Apocolyptik1
10-19-2007, 12:57 PM
Am I 12?
Mind you, I'd get beat up by Fedor for £250,000.
:rofl: Couldnt resist.
PUMPED for 77. I think its going to be a solid card!
Couple welts and possibly a broken arm for that much? Yeah I'd take it
He can break my neck for 250k. British money of course.
Innovator
10-19-2007, 01:12 PM
He can break my neck for 250k. British money of course.that'd be rougly $511,000, so fuck yeah
Reavant
10-19-2007, 03:54 PM
If anyone here happened to name drop but then gave useful info that actually was true then it wouldn't bother me. Seeing nothing backed up with name dropping is another story.
:roll:
Plus I see Randy not fighting again. Theres no reason to now. He would either fight Vera or Sylvia. Theres no shame in losing to Fedor, but he might just retire champion now. Hes making so much money with all his gyms and the movie deal for the new scorpion king movie apparently that he doesnt need the money.
My response to that:
1 - Lorretta Hunt of The Fight Network is also Randy Couture's autobiographer for his new book was on Between The Ropes this week saying as a fact that Randy Couture told her he is definately continuing fighting. He only resigned from the UFC. He didn't retire.
2 - Randy Couture didn't need the money before he came back from his retirement last time but he still did because no matter what you have in the bank, nobody can refuse those first huge pay days.
3 - What you wrote was clearly your opinion and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to one. Had you said your buddy Andrei Arlovski gave you the scoop, maybe your post would make sense.
Oh yeah, did your buddy Andrei tell you he is now the head security for the Jerry Springer show?
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-101707franklin&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
"Even if he loses, he'll be back before too long, if only because the middleweight division in the UFC is so bereft of legitimate challengers. It's clearly the weakest of the UFC's five divisions. The best middleweight Zuffa has under contract other than Silva or Franklin – and, perhaps, even including Silva and Franklin – is WEC champion Paulo Filho. "
When did this happen?
Because a Paulo Filho vs Silva match should have been made yesterday.
Reavant
10-20-2007, 11:53 AM
My response to that:
1 - Lorretta Hunt of The Fight Network is also Randy Couture's autobiographer for his new book was on Between The Ropes this week saying as a fact that Randy Couture told her he is definately continuing fighting. He only resigned from the UFC. He didn't retire.
2 - Randy Couture didn't need the money before he came back from his retirement last time but he still did because no matter what you have in the bank, nobody can refuse those first huge pay days.
3 - What you wrote was clearly your opinion and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to one. Had you said your buddy Andrei Arlovski gave you the scoop, maybe your post would make sense.
Oh yeah, did your buddy Andrei tell you he is now the head security for the Jerry Springer show?
HAHA your an idiot... where do you think i got the idea? everything ive put up has come from something they say. I wrote it like an opinion because everything else they said was going wrong and it was pissing me off. and since theyre playing hardball in contract negotiations its understandable as to why he gets told he may fight a certain person and not have it happen.
Stop talking bollocks. It's embarrassing.
Reavant
10-20-2007, 06:33 PM
stop being jealous... your embarrassing yourself
Reavant
10-20-2007, 06:44 PM
http://mmafightvideos.blogspot.com/2007/10/dana-white-on-sportscenter-new-video.html
ESPN interview with Dana white on the randy situation
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content1146.html
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 12:41 AM
Brock Lesnar signs with UFC.
Story Here (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8334).
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 12:46 AM
Results from UFC 77: (SPOILERS, DUH!)
-Matt Grice def. Jason Black via Split Decision (29-28 Grice, 29-28 Black, 29-28 Grice) after 3 Rounds.
-Josh Burkman def. Forrest Petz via Split Decision (29-28 Burkman, 29-28Petz, 29-28 Burkman) after 3 Rounds.
-Demian Maia def. Ryan Jensen via Submission (rear naked choke) at 2:40 of Round 1.
-Yushin Okami def. Jason MacDonald via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Alan Belcher def. Kalib Starnes via TKO (cut stoppage) at 1:39 of Round 2.
-Stephan Bonnar def. Eric Schafer via TKO (strikes) at 2:47 of Round 2.
-Alvin Robinson def. Jorge Gurgel via Unanimous Decision (29-28, 29-27, 29-27) after 3 Rounds.
-Tim Sylvia def. Brandon Vera via Unanimous Decision (29-27, 29-28, 29-28) after 3 Rounds.
-Anderson Silva (c) def. Rich Franklin via TKO (knee) at 1:07 of Round 2 to retain the Middleweight title.
McLegend
10-21-2007, 12:56 AM
Anderson Silva is awsome
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 01:01 AM
I don't know that the middleweight division is so weak, I think it is more of Anderson Silva is that good.
Vastardikai
10-21-2007, 01:38 AM
Belcher was dominant. When the ref says "I can see his skull." thats not good.
Tim Silvia can suck my cock. Most of his fight was laying on the cage. I wouldn't mind seeing Silvia fight Brock Lesnar.
The only shock in the Franklin-Silva fight was that there even was a second round. Rich was done after the right hand.
Blitz
10-21-2007, 02:14 AM
Dug the Bonnar and Sylvia fights.
Was pulling for Franklin :(
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 08:35 AM
Belcher was dominant. When the ref says "I can see his skull." thats not good.
:( Kalib
I fucking hate Sylvia because all of his fights are him laying on his opponent..
Also, wooooo @ The Spider
He is the man.. I :heart: Franklin though..
Crimson
10-21-2007, 10:33 AM
Silva is on another level right now..you can't stand up with the guy he's too good.
So I guess it's Sylvia vs. Minotaur for the title?
Reavant
10-21-2007, 11:39 AM
I hate to say it but I think that lesnar is going to cut through the hwt division :(
Crimson
10-21-2007, 12:12 PM
That would be cool
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 12:29 PM
Mmm...I dunno if Lesnar has really proven anything to be able to just "cut through" the hwt division. I'm not saying he can't though, he could be the real deal. Hopefully, they work him into it rather than just throwing him in there with top tier opponents.
Reavant
10-21-2007, 01:59 PM
I dunno. Ive seen the guy wrestle... ncaa not wwe a lot and he is just sooo strong and athletic that I see him being a problem for every hwt out there. I honestly dont want him to be that good but im affraid he probably will be.
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 02:50 PM
Josh Koscheck was a phenomenal amateur wrestler also, and although he's done okay, did you see him get dominated by GSP?
Crimson
10-21-2007, 03:11 PM
Well that's because GSP is god
Mercury Bullet
10-21-2007, 03:14 PM
I think Big Nog or Sylvia could take Lesnar. Sylvia, because he is the one guy that I think could overpower Lesnar. He may take Sylvia down, but I think Sylvia would win a boring match that involved him rolling all over Lesnar on the ground. And Nogeira because, again, Lesnar would take him down but I think Nogeira would submit him from anywhere on the ground.
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 03:17 PM
Fedor could KO him..
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 03:23 PM
What happened to Bob Sapp??
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/9171/sapp24oc.png
redoneja
10-21-2007, 07:06 PM
I concour with Krispy. I fucking hate Syliva.
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 07:10 PM
http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70319
I concour with Krispy. I fucking hate Syliva.
actually i think sylvia is amazing. He has some incredible defense both standing and on the ground. Thats why people get pissed. No one can do anything to him unless your name is Couture and you clinch like a T-Rex.
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 08:14 PM
RP, a T-rex wouldn't have a very good clinch due to it's tiny arms..
http://rocr.xepher.net/weblog/images/trex.jpg
Reavant
10-21-2007, 09:59 PM
I think Big Nog or Sylvia could take Lesnar. Sylvia, because he is the one guy that I think could overpower Lesnar. He may take Sylvia down, but I think Sylvia would win a boring match that involved him rolling all over Lesnar on the ground. And Nogeira because, again, Lesnar would take him down but I think Nogeira would submit him from anywhere on the ground.
See I dunno. I agree that nog could beat him because of all his techique and knowlege, but if sylvia got put to the ground hed get his head pownded in. Of course we have to see how brock can take a hit, but judging by how he continued to perforn at the wrestlemania when he nearly broke his neck with the star press, I think it would take a lot to KO him.
RP, a T-rex wouldn't have a very good clinch due to it's tiny arms..
http://rocr.xepher.net/weblog/images/trex.jpg
was thinking more inline with his jaws
Kris P Lettus
10-21-2007, 10:22 PM
Ahhh..
If Dana books Lesnar properly, he'll be the most dominate champion in their history. I don't think he will though and to be fair, it's too hard too because he needs at least 5 fights before he gets a good test and he isn't gonna get that in the UFC.
Reavant
10-23-2007, 10:30 PM
wanderlei and liddel is confirmed on ufc.com... and the two top names being thrown around for Lesnar's debut are brad imes and crocop
Mercury Bullet
10-24-2007, 01:30 AM
Cro Cop would be a HUGE fight, but even Lesnar winning doesn't necessarily prove he's the real deal. It could just prove Cro Cop is finished.
Destor
10-24-2007, 01:59 AM
Yeah, but what a way to put Lesnar on the map.
Mercury Bullet
10-24-2007, 01:40 PM
Cro Cop would kill him.
Looked like Cro Cop would kill Gonzaga too, but we all saw how that worked out.
Mercury Bullet
10-24-2007, 01:47 PM
Evans vs. Bisping a #1 Contenders Match? (http://ufcmania.com/2007/10/20/ufc-quick-quote-bisping-evans-ufc-78-winner-to-fight-rampage-for-title/)
Rumors say that Dana White has stated the upcoming Evans/Bisping match will determine the top contender for the LHW title. I think that is STUPID considering how loaded that division is right now. Put two decent but unproven guys against each other, and boom, winner gets thrust into the title picture? What about Forrest, Jardine, Wandy, Houston...I mean Wandy needs to do a little proving in the UFC, Houston could use another fight against a top level guy, but Evans and Bisping are barely (if even) top 10 guys in that division.
Crimson
10-24-2007, 08:36 PM
I agree WTF if it's true. Evans didnt prove shit against Tito..and Bisping needs work..Forrest, Jardine are more deserved.
Frank Trigg vs Paulo Filho
Looked like Cro Cop would kill Gonzaga too, but we all saw how that worked out.
Gonzaga had more than one MMA fight and had fought in the UFC before.
Mercury Bullet
10-26-2007, 07:25 PM
Gonzaga had more than one MMA fight and had fought in the UFC before.
A virtually unthinkable upset nonetheless.
The only way Cro Crop faces Lesnar is if UFC absolutely feels Cro Crop has nothing left to offer them and will lose. No way UFC feeds Lesnar to Cro Crop knowing theres a chance Cro Crop wins. Just wouldnt make any sense for Lesnars first fight.
A virtually unthinkable upset nonetheless.
Yeah that's why it was a number one contender fight right?
Mercury Bullet
10-28-2007, 04:21 PM
It was declared a number one contenders match so Cro Cop could get his title shot...
Only it didn't quite go as planned for Dana and the UFC.
McLegend
10-28-2007, 05:04 PM
Dana picked Gonzaga to win.
You can't sit here and tell me Gonzaga isn't a better fighter then Cro Cop. Gonzaga is just really a good all around fighter.
Not really that big of an upset, but just really a shocking ending.
Mercury Bullet
10-28-2007, 06:59 PM
I'm not saying Gonzaga isn't a good fighter, but he was a nobody before that fight and 95% of the population did not expect him to win. And I'm sure Dana White did say he though Gonzaga would win, they wanted to add a little credibility to his unknown name coming into the fight.
You used Gonzaga as an argument to push Lesnar against Cro Cop. Lesnar isn't close to the level of fighter Gonzaga is. How can he be with less than 1/10 the experience?
Reavant
10-28-2007, 10:38 PM
To be fair we've only seen one fight of lesnars and the guy was a fish. He could come in like houston alexander and blow through everyone. Or he could be another huge recent signed flops that the UFC seems to be getting. To say hes not at the level of gonzaga, although most likely true, may be unfair due to brock's credentials as a collegate athlete. Theres no belts in wrestling to show rank like there is in BJJ and most martial arts and no big professional level like boxing. He won basically the pinnicle of his sport (american wrestling is very different than international or olympics styles) which ends when he leaves college. With basic striking and good BJJ defense he could beat anyone in the division.
Mercury Bullet
10-28-2007, 11:15 PM
We really have no idea where Lesnar ranks as a fighter, he's had one fight. It may have been a fluke cause the guy sucked that bad. Or it may be the same thing Lesnar is going to do to everybody he steps in the cage with.
My comparison was just that you cant say "Cro Cop would kill him"...because most everybody said Cro Cop would kill Gonzaga too, and that didn't exactly happen.
Crimson
10-28-2007, 11:46 PM
Can't wait to see Lesnar in the cage. They'll bring him up slowly I imagine with low ranked fighters..so hopefully he's the real deal.
A weak ppv in november but can't wait for Silva/Liddell now..two men with their backs against the wall.
We really have no idea where Lesnar ranks as a fighter, he's had one fight. It may have been a fluke cause the guy sucked that bad. Or it may be the same thing Lesnar is going to do to everybody he steps in the cage with.
My comparison was just that you cant say "Cro Cop would kill him"...because most everybody said Cro Cop would kill Gonzaga too, and that didn't exactly happen.
1 - Lesnar ranks the same as every other fighter with 1 pro win under his belt.
2 - Your comparison wasn't at all logical. I might beat Fedor then because nobody expects it.
Mercury Bullet
10-29-2007, 04:39 PM
2 - Your comparison wasn't at all logical. I might beat Fedor then because nobody expects it.
Yeh, uh, that really is not even remotely close to what I said.
An unknown professional fighter, is an unknown professional fighter. And it is impossible to predict an outcome, especially (in the case of Lesnar vs. Cro Cop) one appears to have a lot of potential while the other appears to be at the tail end of his career.
Reavant
10-29-2007, 07:21 PM
1 - Lesnar ranks the same as every other fighter with 1 pro win under his belt.
2 - Your comparison wasn't at all logical. I might beat Fedor then because nobody expects it.
come on... your better than this
Reavant
10-30-2007, 05:07 PM
theyre saying gonzaga vs. Werdum at UFC 80 in Newcastle
weather vane
11-02-2007, 02:59 PM
You guys are pretty serious about your MMA huh?
Stickman
11-02-2007, 03:06 PM
Sure beats baseball
weather vane
11-02-2007, 03:18 PM
Oh I love MMA. I just find it hilarious how worked up some people have got in this thread.
Stickman
11-02-2007, 06:39 PM
It's an internet forum, did you expect anything less ;)
Reavant
11-02-2007, 07:32 PM
:wave:
Main event in Newcastle on January 19 is BJ Penn vs. Joe Stevenson for the interim lightweight title. :D Going!
Danny Electric
11-02-2007, 10:45 PM
is stevenson the guy who won a series of the ultimate fighter?
McLegend
11-02-2007, 10:48 PM
Yes he won season 2 as a welterweight.
Reavant
11-02-2007, 10:55 PM
so did the commission completely lay the hammer on sherk? last i heard he was just being delayed till nov. 13
Mercury Bullet
11-03-2007, 12:30 AM
Why are they dubbing it "interim" lightweight title? Just freakin' strip Sherk...we don't need no stinkin' "interim".
Mercury Bullet
11-03-2007, 12:30 AM
And also I would've made it B.J. Penn vs. Kenny Florian for the Lightweight Title.
Apocolyptik1
11-03-2007, 04:15 PM
They are not going to strip Sherk.
Dana white already said that because the CSAC has bobbled this thing more then enough times, he isnt going to strip Sherk because of it. He will just have the guys fight for the interim until Sherk comes off of suspension (if he gets one) and then have the winner fight Sean.
And also I would've made it B.J. Penn vs. Kenny Florian for the Lightweight Title.
Florian just had the last title shot.
Reavant
11-04-2007, 01:19 AM
I didnt get any pics but I was at the IFL battleground in chicago tonight. Pretty sweet. I got to see ken and frank shamrock, pat militich, and randy cotour all in person which was pretty sweet. The lightweights had some sweet fights though.
Mercury Bullet
11-04-2007, 01:23 AM
Florian just had the last title shot.
Pretty sure the last title match was Sherk vs. Franca
Mercury Bullet
11-04-2007, 01:34 AM
Yup. Florian's shot was over a year ago. And he took Sherk the distance, losing by decision. Since then he has done nothing but win, and win very convincingly.
Florian's last 4 fights:
Win Din Thomas Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC - Fight Night 11 9/19/2007 1 4:31
Win Alvin Robinson Submission (Strikes) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 1 4:30
Win Dokonjonosuke Mishima Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC - Fight Night 9 4/5/2007 3 3:57
Loss Sean Sherk Decision (Unanimous) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 5 5:00
Stevenson deserves a shot more than Florian does at this stage.
Innovator
11-04-2007, 10:07 AM
Stevenson deserves a shot more than Florian does at this stage.Very true
weather vane
11-05-2007, 03:07 PM
JOE DADDY
Mercury Bullet
11-05-2007, 08:43 PM
Lesnar vs. Mir @ UFC 81
I thought this would be his first fight when I heard he demanded a name fighter.
Well it's sink or swim for Brock.
Crimson
11-06-2007, 09:10 PM
Mir by armbar in the 1st round. That'd be funny. Lesnar takes him down right away and tries to dominate but Mir catches him.
Reavant
11-06-2007, 09:28 PM
huge win for either guy should be exciting
I read that after the Hughes vs Serra match, Hughes is intrested in moving up a weight class and taking on Anderson Silva.
I hate Hughes , but that would be an amazing matchup.
Innovator
11-07-2007, 10:23 AM
I read that after the Hughes vs Serra match, Hughes is intrested in moving up a weight class and taking on Anderson Silva.
I hate Hughes , but that would be an amazing matchup.I'd love to see Hughes get his shit pushed in by Silva
I dont know. Depends on if Hughes is at his absolute best. I think he'd be the best competition Silva has ever seen and i'd give him a chance to win.
HeartBreakMan2k
11-07-2007, 11:11 AM
Honestly, I love Hughes - I do... so this may be bias, but I think all of Hughes' positives take away all of Silva's best attacks. I'd love to see it, and see Hughes pull out a W.
Stickman
11-07-2007, 12:20 PM
Can Hughes get inside of Silva's long arms and legs?
Honestly, I love Hughes - I do... so this may be bias, but I think all of Hughes' positives take away all of Silva's best attacks. I'd love to see it, and see Hughes pull out a W.
Yeah it's bias. Anderson Silva would fucking eat him alive.
Reavant
11-07-2007, 01:22 PM
Honestly, I love Hughes - I do... so this may be bias, but I think all of Hughes' positives take away all of Silva's best attacks. I'd love to see it, and see Hughes pull out a W.
explain this because im thinking u dont know what ur talking about.
Reavant
11-07-2007, 01:25 PM
that would be so dumb... the 170 class was pretty much his exclusive weight class for a number of years... no other org. really had it and he was the top dog there... if he went up, hed get his shit rocked. If GSP could get the knock out on him then silva would destroy him. Everyone might not know this but silva is really really good on the ground.
Mercury Bullet
11-07-2007, 02:37 PM
I'm really starting to believe Silva is the best P4P in the world.
I'm really starting to believe Silva is the best P4P in the world.
I already believe it. I would have said GSP before Serra KO'd him.
Reavant
11-08-2007, 09:43 AM
well if you get caught you get caught.... i saw a match where a guy did a flying ankle lock on silva haha
Dave Youell
11-08-2007, 10:39 AM
So what’s going to happen with the heavyweight title then? Now that Randy has given up?
And I’m glad that Hughes is going to move up a weight, because I’d love to see him get destroyed by Silva, although I’m routing for Serra, so if Hughes loses, would he get that match?
I think Silva needs to move up a weight after the (potential) Hughes fight, who else is there left for him to beat?
And I’m still campaigning for Rampage Vs Griffin. Everyone loves Forest
Stickman
11-08-2007, 12:10 PM
IS this Hughes moving up confirmed?
Mercury Bullet
11-08-2007, 02:58 PM
i saw a match where a guy did a flying ankle lock on silva haha
Thats the thing, he was pretty mediocre when he fought in Pride. But he has gotten exponentially better throughout his career. And the rate at which he has improved is incredible too.
So what’s going to happen with the heavyweight title then? Now that Randy has given up?
And I’m glad that Hughes is going to move up a weight, because I’d love to see him get destroyed by Silva, although I’m routing for Serra, so if Hughes loses, would he get that match?
I think Silva needs to move up a weight after the (potential) Hughes fight, who else is there left for him to beat?
And I’m still campaigning for Rampage Vs Griffin. Everyone loves Forest
The plan is to offer Randy a fight with Big Nog and if he refuses, he'll be stripped of the title and the Sylvia will fight Nog for the vacant belt.
Silva shouldn't go near 205lbs. Too much competition there. I see Bisping, Evans and maybe even Shogun dropping to 185lbs sooner or later. Henderson definately will if he resigns.
The Hughes thing is a rumor, but seems to have some smoke and where there is smoke, theres fire.
I think you guys are totally wrong. I dont think Silva will destroy Hughes. And i think Hughes is going to kill Serra. Hughes has a chance against Silva. His ground game is way better then Silvas no matter what anyone thinks and his Wrestling will offset Silva's stand up game which happens to be the best thing he has. I dont think Hughes would win outright, but i think it would be very close.
Dave Youell
11-09-2007, 03:39 AM
The plan is to offer Randy a fight with Big Nog and if he efuses, he'll be stripped of the title and the Sylvia will fight Nog for the vacant belt.
Silva shouldn't go near 205lbs. Too much competition there. I see Bisping, Evans and maybe even Shogun dropping to 185lbs sooner or later. Henderson definately will if he resigns.
Well either way, if Silva moves up or those other guys move down, just want to see see Silva get some competition.
And Sylvia in the title scene again :( although his fight against cabbage was legendary/hilarious. So when can we expect a decision from Randy?
McLegend
11-09-2007, 09:06 AM
Why does everyone thing Hughes is gonna kill Serra?
Serra has given BJ Penn a much closer fight then Matt Hughes ever did. Hell if BJ Penn's ribs didn't get broken he would have won clearly. This is going to be a much closer fight then everyone thinks.
Mercury Bullet
11-09-2007, 12:00 PM
Why does everyone thing Hughes is gonna kill Serra?
Serra has given BJ Penn a much closer fight then Matt Hughes ever did. Hell if BJ Penn's ribs didn't get broken he would have won clearly. This is going to be a much closer fight then everyone thinks.
Didn't Hughes beat Penn the last time?
Reavant
11-09-2007, 01:04 PM
His ground game is way better then Silvas no matter what anyone thinks and his Wrestling will offset Silva's stand up game which happens to be the best thing he has. I dont think Hughes would win outright, but i think it would be very close.
explain how his ground game is so much better than silvas
Reavant
11-09-2007, 01:07 PM
Didn't Hughes beat Penn the last time?Yea because he was in so much better shape than penn. But that also had to do with the fact that penn took the fight on very short notice. Theres no question that penn is ten times more talented than hughes in striking and ground game.
So when can we expect a decision from Randy?
I'd say the new years show.
McLegend
11-09-2007, 04:37 PM
Didn't Hughes beat Penn the last time?
What Reavant said
Mercury Bullet
11-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Yea because he was in so much better shape than penn. But that also had to do with the fact that penn took the fight on very short notice. Theres no question that penn is ten times more talented than hughes in striking and ground game.
I was just saying that the statement "Serra gave Penn a better fight than Hughes ever did" is entirely inaccurate. Serra gave Penn a tough fight, Penn won. Hughes beat Penn, so how did Serra compete better with Penn if Hughes actually BEAT him?
McLegend
11-09-2007, 09:34 PM
Did you see the fight?
BJ Penn dominted the first two rounds, and then got his ribs broken. Matt Serra was never dominted in their fight like Hughes was in his 2nd fight with Penn.
Gotta look at the whole fight.
Destor
11-09-2007, 09:53 PM
How were his ribs broken?
Mercury Bullet
11-09-2007, 09:56 PM
Never heard his ribs were broken.
And I did see the fight. And it looked like Penn gased, at which point Hughes took over.
Mercury Bullet
11-09-2007, 09:58 PM
EVEN IF THAT IS SO...okay were his ribs broken coming into the fight? No. He got them broken during the fight.
Hello. They're fighting. You might get a broken rib. It's not like an injury is an unexpected consequence of fighting. No, it's part of the fight. He got his ribs broken. And then he lost.
Destor
11-09-2007, 10:02 PM
I think you would have to credit Hughes MORE for injuring his opponent, not the other way around.
"Hughes would've lost if he hasn't ripped his arm out of his socket, what a bitch!11!"
Mercury Bullet
11-09-2007, 10:07 PM
Yeh. Exactly. Breaking your ribs isn't like an "Oh well he would have on but he got hurt..." Well...Chuck Liddell would have beat Quinton Jackson had he not been punched in the face.
McLegend
11-09-2007, 10:24 PM
I give all the credit in the world to Hughes. He pulled it out, and he's a winner. Pure and simple, but if BJ Penn and Matt Hughes fight ten times BJ Penn at least wins 7 probably 8 of them.
There is no way you can convince me that Hughes is that much better then Matt Serra. Still I'm not saying Serra is gonna win, but it's not gonna be a squash match.
Reavant
11-11-2007, 11:42 AM
The deciding factor is going to be striking. Serra is very good on the ground and can pull submissions off almost like penn. Hughes is good on the ground too, but hes basically just a ground and pounder and either waits for his opponent to give then theyre back or losen up an arm and lock in an americana or key lock.
serra is too dangerous on the ground for hughes to do that. Plus one of hughes biggest goals in fighting is to win by a knockout and i think that serra has pissed him off enough that hughes will try and go for it.
People think that because of the GSP win, that serra's striking is phenominal. Well, maybe it is, but hes only showed it for one match, and most likely it was a fluke than not, and I see hughes thinking the same way.
Apocolyptik1
11-11-2007, 11:59 AM
I dont think it will be a squash between Hughes and Serra but I definetly thinks its one sided. Hughes is going to be the stronger of the two, and unless Serra lands a clean shot on Hughes on the feet, I dont actually see Hughes being submitted. Last time Hughes was sub'd outside of BJ Penn (which was set up by a beautiful right from over the top) was Dennis Hallman at the beginning of his career. The guy fights very methodical and isnt known for getting caught in subs.
Hughes last fight with BJ he did get caught in a sub, a triangle choke and survived it for 2 minutes. People say that BJ broke his ribs because his camp said that he broke his ribs, and I dont believe it actually. I dont ever remember seeing anything from NSAC saying that Penn was forced to sit out for any period of time because of injury. I can/could be wrong, but I actually just believe that BJ blew his wad trying to stop Hughes with the triangle and gassed because of it.
The buzzer saved Hughes from a submission loss to GSP in the second fight.
Reavant
11-11-2007, 08:18 PM
hughes is gettin old too. He has not performed anywhere near his talent level in the last three fights. Plus he said he was getting burnt out on the ultimate fighter. I can see him getting focused and beating serra but i can also see him losing to serra just as much.
If he beats Serra, GSP is gonna end his career.
Reavant
11-12-2007, 03:02 PM
I could see him being dick enough to retire right after he wins the belt off of serra so he could say he retired champion
I could too but I doubt it. Too much money in the game now.
Apocolyptik1
11-14-2007, 02:08 PM
To much Hughes hating going on in this thread.
Anyways, UFC 78 BITCHES!
Fisher and Edgar for fight of the night, although I believe Parisyan and Chonan will be flashy as well. Alexander and Silva will be fun to watch, probably going to be a brutal slugfest, or maybe we will get a chance to see Houston's ground game if Silva shoots on him. Main event is fun simply for the fact that I want to see both of these guys get knocked out really bad, and I dont care who it is!
Reavant
11-14-2007, 06:43 PM
This ppv intrigues me because they didnt bother to create a main event :D
Stickman
11-14-2007, 06:47 PM
This ppv intrigues me because they didnt bother to create a main event :D
Just like UFNs?
redoneja
11-14-2007, 10:38 PM
God I hope Rashad knocks the shit out of Bisping.
Reavant
11-15-2007, 02:11 AM
Just like UFNs?
well those arent ppvs... maybe this was supposed to be an UFN and they just put it in the wrong list or some shit and now we have this
God I hope Rashad knocks the shit out of Bisping.
That's not happening.
Oh and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou has signed for the UFC. He fights Lyoto Machida on the December show on the undercard of Serra vs. Hughes and Silva vs. Liddell.
redoneja
11-15-2007, 07:17 PM
That's not happening.
Oh and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou has signed for the UFC. He fights Lyoto Machida on the December show on the undercard of Serra vs. Hughes and Silva vs. Liddell.
Yea, even though alot of people like Rashad from his fight with Tito, I still consider Bisping the favorite in the match. Evans seems to have a problem finishing fights; while he did win by KO in the two fights before Tito, he had let the fight go to decision in his five fights before that. On the other hand, Bisping has only had one fight go to decision. Still, I'm not a fan of Bisping so I continue to hope Rashad beats him.
Mercury Bullet
11-15-2007, 07:21 PM
Evans vs. Bisping, Battle of the Over-rateds.
Still watching it though.
Innovator
11-17-2007, 11:46 AM
Leaving in 4 hours, fuck yeah
Mercury Bullet
11-17-2007, 11:22 PM
Still watching it though.
Still wish I was watching it. :(
I really wanted to see Thiago/Houston and Karo/Ryo.
Mercury Bullet
11-17-2007, 11:56 PM
Houston Alexander just lost via TKO in Round 1.
:eek:
Watch the show online. Total garbage. Possibly the worst UFC show in the Zuffa era since the first one they controlled (I forget the number).
Houston Alexander has ZERO ground game. Tough luck pal. Made me happy though that his bandwagon got humbled. Too old to learn any new stuff that he can actually get good at and make use of. Undercard fighter at best now.
Joe Lauzon looked great. Apparently all the dark fights were really good :(
Karo vs. Ryo was boring as fuck. Many takedowns by Karo and he couldn't pass guard one single time.
Rashad Evans beat Michael Bisping by split decision. Going on past fights, I would have agreed with the decision but it only proves that wrestling takedowns should not be scored positively by the judges unless they lead to more aggressive action. If you have seen one Evans fight, you've seen them all. Couple of takedowns then constant cuddles. I was expecting him to try and kiss Bisping at one point. Looks like 185lbs for Bisping though which should be good. Evans will get killed by Rampage if they fight now. Dana White was mega happy with the fight too. Dunno why cos it sucked a cock.
Apocolyptik1
11-18-2007, 01:26 AM
Karo vs. Ryo was boring as fuck. Many takedowns by Karo and he couldn't pass guard one single time.
I wont disagree that the card was subpar, but thats a dumb statement. Ryo Chonan is a decent veteran, just because Karo couldnt pass his gaurd doesnt mean Karo was the guy to point fingers at. Seemed like 2 good veterans of the sport having a fight to me, albeit a lackluster one.
Apocolyptik1
11-18-2007, 01:27 AM
And I completely agree that the scoring needs to be reworked, but so does every other hardcore mma fan.
I wont disagree that the card was subpar, but thats a dumb statement. Ryo Chonan is a decent veteran, just because Karo couldnt pass his gaurd doesnt mean Karo was the guy to point fingers at. Seemed like 2 good veterans of the sport having a fight to me, albeit a lackluster one.
Karo after the fight said he fought like shit. No need to point fingers when he admitted it was shit himself.
And I completely agree that the scoring needs to be reworked, but so does every other hardcore mma fan.
Trust me, some don't. Mostly guys who love Rashad Evans or Josh Koscheck.
HeartBreakMan2k
11-18-2007, 09:25 AM
Holy shit.
UFC 82 - Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva
HOLY SHIT
HeartBreakMan2k
11-18-2007, 09:26 AM
http://mrsunshinevegas.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/1117seg3/
What in the good god fuck were they thinking stopping the Lytle vs Alves fight. That was on its way to being the fight of the year.
( Chris Lytle is the man cause he's from Indiana. So is John Fitch )
Innovator
11-18-2007, 10:50 AM
Amazing to see a fight live, recommend it to everyone to do at least once
Yeah like Rob said the undercard fights were all good. JoeLau deserves to be on the main card with that win
The Prudential Center is siiiick. Seats a little narrow but awesome arena.
Reavant
11-18-2007, 01:55 PM
Rashad Evans beat Michael Bisping by split decision. Going on past fights, I would have agreed with the decision but it only proves that wrestling takedowns should not be scored positively by the judges unless they lead to more aggressive action. If you have seen one Evans fight, you've seen them all. Couple of takedowns then constant cuddles. I was expecting him to try and kiss Bisping at one point. Looks like 185lbs for Bisping though which should be good. Evans will get killed by Rampage if they fight now. Dana White was mega happy with the fight too. Dunno why cos it sucked a cock.
common now. if your getting taken down then your doing something wrong. now if the person who is doing the takedowns cant do shit on the ground doest mean the takedowns shouldnt be scored, it means they need to learn how to fight on the ground. takedowns should be scored just as much as clean strikes because you can get knocked out by a well positioned takedown just like a well placed shot to the chin.
Im sure your a big bisbing fan and im not a rashad fan but you have to admit tht the only thing that bisbing did was stand up from takedowns. he was tenetive the entire time and let rashad control the pace of the fight. maybe rashad didnt really BEAT bisbing but bisbing did nothing to win the fight.
Blue Demon
11-18-2007, 02:09 PM
I've got a question though....who the hell were those refs last night?? Where were guys like Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti(sp?) and "big" John McCarthy?
Reavant
11-18-2007, 02:10 PM
Holy shit.
UFC 82 - Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva
HOLY SHIT
Fucking Christ! give dan some guys to beat before he gets sent into another title fight. this could be pretty damaging to his image in terms of how US fans see him because he could easily lose to silva and be 0-2 in the UFC albeit in two different weight classes, but the normal fans are dumb and so is the management in the UFC.
Reavant
11-18-2007, 02:12 PM
I've got a question though....who the hell were those refs last night?? Where were guys like Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti(sp?) and "big" John McCarthy?
HAHA i know! the one guy looked like the security gaurd from jerry springer on steroids and the other guy literally looked like an alien... on steroids as well. His cranium was huge and his face was tiny.
Vastardikai
11-19-2007, 01:24 AM
I wouldn't want Herb Dean calling one of my fights. He'd have tried to call the Alexander-Silva fight after Houston's big takedown.
:shifty:
Mercury Bullet
11-19-2007, 02:00 AM
Yeh I'm not a big Herb Dean fan either...a nasty staredown is grounds for ref stoppage in his book.
McLegend
11-19-2007, 02:43 PM
I like Herb Dean
common now. if your getting taken down then your doing something wrong. now if the person who is doing the takedowns cant do shit on the ground doest mean the takedowns shouldnt be scored, it means they need to learn how to fight on the ground. takedowns should be scored just as much as clean strikes because you can get knocked out by a well positioned takedown just like a well placed shot to the chin.
Im sure your a big bisbing fan and im not a rashad fan but you have to admit tht the only thing that bisbing did was stand up from takedowns. he was tenetive the entire time and let rashad control the pace of the fight. maybe rashad didnt really BEAT bisbing but bisbing did nothing to win the fight.
Doing a takedown which leads to something aggressive is fine. Otherwise it's the ground game equievent of a jab. I like Bisping but thought he lost but the takedown thing has bothered me for ages. It was just worse the other night when Bisping got up from every single takedown without too much trouble. Ortiz, Liddell and Hughes always capitalise on the takedown. Evans never does which is a shame because obviously it works for him.
I've got a question though....who the hell were those refs last night?? Where were guys like Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti(sp?) and "big" John McCarthy?
New Jersey appointed their own referees and wanted nobody connected with the UFC. The refs all did good jobs and all have past MMA experience. I think 2 of them have previously worked old UFC shows. I'd worry about their doctors though.
Reavant
11-19-2007, 07:42 PM
Doing a takedown which leads to something aggressive is fine. Otherwise it's the ground game equievent of a jab. I like Bisping but thought he lost but the takedown thing has bothered me for ages. It was just worse the other night when Bisping got up from every single takedown without too much trouble. Ortiz, Liddell and Hughes always capitalise on the takedown. Evans never does which is a shame because obviously it works for him.
I see what your sayen. I just think not scoring for take downs at all would be extreme. For example, If Bisbing offset the takedowns with something aggressive like good strikes or just going after evans on the feet, then Id say that giving evans the fight because he took bisbing down would be bull shit. However this is one of the times where takedowns were the only difference and the only thing done to counter them was stand up and escape. It would be like two fighters standing and one guy just lands jabs or leg kicks the whole fight and the other guy just checks them. I thought the fight was boring as hell, as Im sure you did too. I dunno, Im not trying to argue or anything cuz I agree with you for the most part, like i said I just dont think that they can change the way they score takedowns.
Dave Youell
11-20-2007, 11:24 AM
Man that fight sucked though (bisping), there were a few snorefests, which is a shame, as I'm a Karo fan, and I think he desrves a title shot, but with performances like that...
He controlled the whole fight, but there was just nothing to it
It wasn't Bisping's fault is sucked mate. The live crowd was turning on Evans according to a couple of people I know who were there. Just a bad show.
Innovator
11-20-2007, 03:09 PM
It wasn't Bisping's fault is sucked mate. The live crowd was turning on Evans according to a couple of people I know who were there. Just a bad show.
Undercard was solid, and yeah the crowd turned on the main fight
Stickman
11-20-2007, 04:30 PM
That should never have been a main event. 5 Champions in the company and you cant have one title fight every ppv?
That should never have been a main event. 5 Champions in the company and you cant have one title fight every ppv?
One champion left the company. One champion is out injured until roughly March. One champion is fighting a drug suspension (and even then, a title fight has been lined up). One champion just fought on PPV and the last is gonna be fighting on the next one.
This is why you can't have title fights on every show. And Zuffa should have got a deal with Tito Ortiz signed first before they planned the show.
Dave Youell
11-21-2007, 04:58 AM
One champion left the company. One champion is out injured until roughly March. One champion is fighting a drug suspension (and even then, a title fight has been lined up). One champion just fought on PPV and the last is gonna be fighting on the next one.
This is why you can't have title fights on every show. And Zuffa should have got a deal with Tito Ortiz signed first before they planned the show.
Don't they have some sort of injury rule? Like if your out for X amount of days and can't defend you have to give it up?
I agree that a title fight on each show would be better, or at least a number 1 contender fight on each show. That's 10 main events right there.
But obviously right now it's kind of hard to when you only have 2 active champs
Reavant
11-21-2007, 12:36 PM
its only if its career threatening or over a year long injury that they impliment the injury policy
Don't they have some sort of injury rule? Like if your out for X amount of days and can't defend you have to give it up?
I agree that a title fight on each show would be better, or at least a number 1 contender fight on each show. That's 10 main events right there.
But obviously right now it's kind of hard to when you only have 2 active champs
It's still hard your way. Say GSP beat Koscheck and was #1 to Hughes or Serra and one of them got hurt, you lost a fight right there.
Stickman
11-22-2007, 12:13 PM
I recal a PPV that had 2 titles fights on it. I know Tim Sylvia sucks ass, but still, there should not be 2 title fights on one PPV.
Totally agree with that too. Only time I had no problem with it was when the winners of TUF 4 were meant to get title shots on the same show and that didn't happen eventually.
Dave Youell
11-23-2007, 03:35 AM
It's still hard your way. Say GSP beat Koscheck and was #1 to Hughes or Serra and one of them got hurt, you lost a fight right there.
Ok, well at least have a marquee match with 'name' on it then.
The only guys I was interested in for the last show were Karo and Housten, now I admit to being a casual fan and most of my knowledge of UFC comes from those UFC unleashed shows that are on Bravo, but they were the most exciting fighters to me personally based on what I've seen them do.
I would think that they should be trying harder to get me as a casual to want to watch it, when it's Rampage Vs Chuck, I'm there, when it's Griffin Vs anyone, i'm there. But Bisping/Evans just doesn't set my world on fire. I know they need to build potential stars, but I think they are choosing the wrong type of people for the job
Stickman
11-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Ok, well at least have a marquee match with 'name' on it then.
The only guys I was interested in for the last show were Karo and Housten, now I admit to being a casual fan and most of my knowledge of UFC comes from those UFC unleashed shows that are on Bravo, but they were the most exciting fighters to me personally based on what I've seen them do.
I would think that they should be trying harder to get me as a casual to want to watch it, when it's Rampage Vs Chuck, I'm there, when it's Griffin Vs anyone, i'm there. But Bisping/Evans just doesn't set my world on fire. I know they need to build potential stars, but I think they are choosing the wrong type of people for the job
That's exactly my feeling. TUFers aren't necessarily stars. Yeah good fighters but just cuz somebody was on TUF doesn't mean they should headline a mediocre PPV. Try to put a title fight or a name on a card. Hell, had it been Rashad vs Tito 2 I would've been more interested. Tito vs Bisbing would've been something. No I'm not really a Tito fan but the guy creates a buzz.
McLegend
11-23-2007, 05:19 PM
O NO... From Meltzer
UFC's biggest grudge of the year is off
It was announced officially today that UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra suffered a herniated disc in his lower back in a freak training accident on Monday and after being examined, pulled out today of his match with Matt Hughes, scheduled for 12/29 in Las Vegas.
That fucking sucks. They better not strip Serra of the title.
Reavant
11-23-2007, 06:06 PM
that sucks
Matt Hughes was offered a fight with Jon Fitch on the show. No decisions are gonna be made on replacement fighters or the title situation until after the weekend.
Reavant
11-23-2007, 08:20 PM
that would be an ok fight
That would be a fantastic fight and Fitch would win, but i really would love to see GSP say fuck it and ask for the fight. Just to see the 3 and final fight between those two.
GSP should not take the fight on 6 weeks notice.
HeartBreakMan2k
11-24-2007, 04:58 PM
Yeah, too big of a match for GSP right now to take on that little notice.
Crimson
11-24-2007, 06:14 PM
Wow, lol. So now Serra will hold the record for longest welterweight champ and not even defending it...well i'm joking but still. That's what they get for holding him out for so long ..hopefully they find a suitable replacment.
And remember it was UFC who booked it for December. They could have did this 4 months earlier easy.
Mercury Bullet
11-25-2007, 12:03 AM
I think if they're gonna create an 'interim' Lightweight title, they should do the same here. Have Hughes vs. Fitch for the Interim Welterweight Title and then defend it against Serra promptly upon his return.
Reavant
11-25-2007, 02:04 PM
sherdog said that GSP took the match. This sucks because I love GSP but I want hughes to fight serra.
McLegend
11-25-2007, 02:07 PM
Hughes/GSP should take place in Canada. There would be an insane amout of heat for it.
McLegend
11-25-2007, 02:08 PM
I really wanted too see Hughes/Serra to.
sherdog said that GSP took the match. This sucks because I love GSP but I want hughes to fight serra.
It will still happen. It's a money fight.
GSP has balls though. I predict same result as last time though.
Jordan
11-25-2007, 07:31 PM
I think GSP will take him. I hope so at least. Although I still really want to see Serra vs Hughes, there is no telling if that will happen for a long time now.
It's gotta happen once Serra gets back. Either he fights Hughes first or fights GSP then Hughes whether it's a title fight or not. HAS to happen. To be fair, Dana always puts on the big fights.
Crimson
11-25-2007, 08:03 PM
Wow..and it's gonna go 5 rounds too :drool:. More time for GSP to kick his ass ..god I hope he does.
Mercury Bullet
11-25-2007, 09:51 PM
Interim Title match as well. Good. Serra vs. either will be a good match on down the line also.
Reavant
11-25-2007, 10:25 PM
GSP better get on him and knock him out like before because guys who take short notice fights dont do to well when it gets into the fourth and fifth rounds
Crimson
11-25-2007, 10:31 PM
Yea I have a feeling Hughes will last till the 4th or 5th then get a submission. Bastard
called it btw
I think GSP will destroy Hughes.
Mercury Bullet
11-26-2007, 01:20 AM
My prediction:
GSP won't be in fight condition on such short notice. He will win rounds one and two handily, landing decent strikes, defending Hughes' takedown attempts, and scoring a few of his own. The third round will be relatively even, but with Hughes scoring a big takedown or two and maintaining control on the ground. Hughes wins in round 4 via submission.
weather vane
11-26-2007, 02:25 AM
YES!!!
I HATE GSP! I hope he just gets piled.
Crimson
11-27-2007, 12:34 AM
A few choice words from Matt Hughes from mmaweekly
“It’s bad in the fact that I’m fighting a lot tougher opponent than Matt Serra,” said Hughes of the change in opposition.
“I just feel that Matt Serra is getting the easy way out. If he would have beat me, then he would have fought Georges again; so he would have fought both of us. Now, he's getting the easy way out, fighting just one of us, possibly.”
So it's been pretty clear that he dislikes Serra so I still wanna see both of them fight. But I still want a GSP win.
Dave Youell
11-27-2007, 08:12 AM
You know UFC is a work right, this is just an angle
Innovator
11-27-2007, 08:24 AM
Last thing Hughes wanted is to fight GSP again, you can tell after Serra KOed GSP
Apocolyptik1
11-28-2007, 01:01 PM
Last thing Hughes wanted is to fight GSP again, you can tell after Serra KOed GSP
If you are referring to the video of him looking absolutely stunned and Sherk coming up to him to say something to him, then you might as well had the camera on the entire UFC audience because I looked the exact same way.
NO ONE thought Serra was going to win the way he did.
PPV is shaping up solidly.
Machida vs Sokoudjou is going to be awesome.
Nark Order
11-30-2007, 02:55 AM
God damn,that Tommy Speer is an ox. Never seen a guy stuff so many submission attempts off pue strength alone.
Machida vs Sokoudjou is going to be awesome.
Why? Machida is the most boring fighter ever.
Oh yeah, Sean Sherk has officially been stripped of the lightweight title.
Kris P Lettus
12-08-2007, 09:03 PM
Huerta for the win
Tommy is gonna KO Mac in the third
J-Rock is gonna beat War Machine
Billy is gonna beat George just cause George is an asshole
Ben is gonna make the other guy tap
George is great. Ben is gonna be the star of this show.
Kris P Lettus
12-08-2007, 10:02 PM
Ben won the decision..
Troy KO'ed Hightower..
Kris P Lettus
12-08-2007, 10:04 PM
Both were pretty entertaining fights.. Specially, Rudeboy/Ricky.. They banged it out for the better part of a round.. Ben/that other guy was ok.. Ben dominated on his feet and on the ground.. He came out hard in the third and landed some big kicks and some decent punches..
Kris P Lettus
12-08-2007, 10:31 PM
War Machine KO'ed J-Rock..
Fight of the night so far.. That was a battle, both of them were bloody as fuck.. J-Rock seemed to control the ground landing hellacious bows from guard.. War reversed from his back outta nowhere and landed some big shots to end it..
Good fight..
Kris P Lettus
12-08-2007, 11:50 PM
Huerta tapped Guida via rear naked choke.. He was losing on the scorecard though..
All but two of the fights tonight were badass..
Also, Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir at UFC 81..
And, Dana White is about to make some "huge announcement"..
Reavant
12-09-2007, 12:20 AM
Its that forrest is the next season's TUF coach.... i bet theyre just waiting to see who wins the liddel silva fight before they pick the next coach.
FUCKIN GUIDA! he was killing him! great fight tho.
Kris P Lettus
12-09-2007, 12:23 AM
Yeah, Dana said Forrest will be one of the coaches and \said they are gonna "shake up TUF".. They alos said Forrest was the number one contender and coaching TUF he would fight the other coach.. Does this mean it'll be Rampage??
They are gonna announce it tomorrow during the video game awards..
Reavant
12-09-2007, 01:15 AM
Dana uses number one contender too losely.... I bet he either coaches against wand if he wins or rampage if liddel loses
Reavant
12-09-2007, 01:16 AM
if forrest was true number 1 then he would have said rampage right away
I'm pretty sure its Rampage.
I'll tell you something right now. I think Forrest can beat Rampage. Rampage has major problems with guys who come out and throw bombs with recklessness.
I'll tell you something right now. I think Forrest can beat Rampage. Rampage has major problems with guys who come out and throw bombs with recklessness.
You mean guys like Chuck Liddell?
Guys on steroids then. None of that in the States.
oH ok . I'll take your word for that...
Kris P Lettus
12-09-2007, 10:42 AM
Awesome main event!
Yeah, but I think J-Rock/War Machine stole the show..
Kris P Lettus
12-09-2007, 10:43 AM
Also, I could not stand to see Silva as a coach.. If it's him, I prolly won't even watch next season..
Kris P Lettus
12-09-2007, 10:44 AM
p.s. Dana is a smart man and he knows Rampage=ratings..
McLegend
12-09-2007, 12:51 PM
Really good show last night
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