MMA Thread

[Kris P Lettus]

Billy Badass V 2.0

[Fabien Barthez]

:|

[Kris P Lettus]

Is there an Ultimate Fighter 8 thread at all?/Is there any video links to the eps (we don't get them in Australia)


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[Kris P Lettus]

Ultimate Fighter Season 9 - USA vs UK announced

During the broadcast of last nights Fight Night 15 event in Omaha Nebraska, the details of the ninth season of the “Ultimate Fighter” reality series were released, and a huge surprise was in store.

The season, which is due to air early next year, will pit welterweights and middleweights against each other as teams of US and UK fighters battle it out to decide who will be the next breakthrough star.

Early reports suggest that UK middleweight Michael Bisping could be lined up to coach the UK team against a top American middleweight, with the winner gaining a title shot at the end of 2009.

By Michael Pepper.

Switching it up a little bit..

I like it..

[Kris P Lettus]

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Mark Coleman roid raging after that last loss to Fedor in Pride..

Funny but sad..

[Rob]

Some people are gonna be humbled after the next TUF season. Either we'll find out Britain has some legit fighters here (other than Bisping) or we'll get humbled.

I'm thinking the former. At BJJ last night, the coaches were already talking up the idea of intense training for a couple of guys for try outs. And there aren't many better submission guys out there right now than Roger Gracie.

[Innovator]

How fucking dumb is Guida's brother?

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't feel sorry for him at all.. He knew what weight he'd be fighting at and still came in that out of shape.. He should've been cutting weight the weeks coming into it knowing that he'd fight within the first 48 hours of being there..

[Innovator]

Yeah it wasn't like any of the guys were in the dark about fighting onto the show this season

The weird looking guy was right, he should have been sleeping in his sauna suit. No excuse for that.

Browning looks legit though

[Reavant]

I feel sorry for him hes a pretty cool guy... dumb i guess but a good guy none the less

[Kris P Lettus]

I love Clay and prolly would've been a fan of his too, but I can not respect someone who knows this is their only shot and is in a position that thousands of other guys wish they were in, only to throw it away by not being properly prepared..

Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Preformance

[Innovator]

Holy aliteration Batman

[Rob]

None of the fighters were told they'd be fighting to get into the house. They were however told to make sure they were at a certain weight before they showed up and apparently Jason Guida was at that weight. Bottom line is he just didn't cut the weight.

I am kinda interested to see how Tom Lawlor does on the show.

[Innovator]

Is he light heavy or lightweight?

[Kris P Lettus]

That's bullshit, Rob..

They said during season 7 that every season from then on, you were going to have to fight your way into the house.. He is a 205 fighter who came in double digits overweight..

[Rob]

How is it bullshit? They were not told they would be fighting to get in the house. They weren't told they wouldn't be either. Tom Lawlor said on BTR this week he wasn't told he was fighting and Jason Guida also said he wasn't told. They should have known though but they still weren't told.

And your math is fucked dude. Guida weighed in 2lbs overweight. 1lbs officially. Other fighters came into the gym 10lbs+ overweight but they cut it. Guida didn't and that's the bottom line. I don't give a fuck if they walk in the building 50lbs overweight and then make weight. You know you have to make weight and some guys are better at it than others. In his defence, you also get two attempts to weigh in for a fight in Nevada and he only got one attempt. Technically he was pulled from fighting and not because he didn't make weight. Also technically Gomi vs. Diaz was a no contest but we all know what really happened.

[Kris P Lettus]

Diaz smokes the weed..

He was 11lbs over when he first started cutting.. Dude also I don't care how much over they come in if they can make the weight.. He dug his own grave by coming in over and not being able to.. He is a 205lbs fighter and should have showed up closer to that weight.. The fact that he didn't is what ultimately caused him to leave.. Pretty much threw away an opportunity thousands of guys would die for.. They might not have been specifically told, but last season Dana White made it crystal clear that he was tried of guys quitting and whatnot so they were gonna have to fight their way onto the show from there on out..

Atleast it was clear to me, even if Jason Guida didn't "get it"..

[Rob]

Clearer to me too. Just stating the facts.

Here's another one - Jason Guida = Fucking idiot! Oh and he has signed with EliteXC. Seriously!

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

Where had he fought before cause guys were saying he was a good fighter before Season 8, but I had never seen him..

[Rob]

For the record, Bobby Southworth cut weight from 228lbs to 206lbs on season 1 and he won his fight. That's DOUBLE the amount of weight Guida had to cut.

[Innovator]

Yeah I was just thinking of Bobby reading an earlier post, 22 in a day and a half is crazy

[Vastardikai]

Well, KJ Noons was officially stripped of the WWEliteXC Diaz-weight Championship, for mainly not wanting to defend his title against Diaz.

Noons is an asshole for not fighting Diaz, regardless of the issues he has with the company (Paid ALOT less than Diaz, not being promoted as a star). But in the end he may come out as the winner of it all with this happening. I can see them putting Diaz in a fight with Yves Edwards, and I would laugh because it's the battle of two people Noons beat for the title they stripped him of. It makes a weak assed WWEliteXC look even worse, IMO.

[Rob]

He was paid less because Diaz is a star and nobody outside of the hardcore fans has a clue who the hell KJ Noons is. He is a total homo for refusing the biggest fight of his life too. Fuck him. Best of luck in your boxing career pal. Don't get upset when the boxing people can't stand you either when you're pleady poverty with them.

[RP]

I dont care if he was winning the first fight with Diaz. If it wasnt stopped from a cut to his head, i'm positive Diaz would have knocked him out. Diaz can take a beating.

[Rob]

It doesn't matter if he near killed him. The biggest fight out there for KJ Noons is a rematch with Nick Diaz. He refused the biggest fight of his career which would have been aired live on network TV. And he wonders why nobody knows him. Fucking idiot of a human being.

[Kris P Lettus]

Noons is a fucking idiot..

UFC added some fights to both the 90 and 91 cards..

The UFC announced four bouts Friday to complete the lineup for UFC 90, set to take place Oct. 25 at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont, Ill.


In a previously reported heavyweight contest, Fabricio Werdum will take on UFC newcomer Junior dos Santos. The matchup will be featured on a main card that includes Anderson Silva’s middleweight title defense against Patrick Cote and a key welterweight bout between Thiago Alves and Diego Sanchez.


Lightweight fights for the undercard were also made official Friday. Former teammates Marcus Aurelio and Hermes Franca will meet, as well as Gray Maynard and Rich Clementi. Spencer Fisher will fight Shannon Gugerty, who replaces Melvin Guillard.


For UFC 91, scheduled for Nov. 15 in Las Vegas and headlined by Randy Couture vs.
Brock Lesnar, Demian Maia recently told Tatame. com that he will be fighting Nathan Quarry in a middleweight match. Amir Sadollah, the winner of “The Ultimate Fighter 7,” will fight Nick Catone.


UFC 90 Full Lineup

Main Card:

Anderson Silva (No. 1 Middleweight) vs.Patrick Cote
Thiago Alves (No. 5 Welterweight) vs. Diego Sanchez (No.4 Welterweight)
Sean Sherk (No. 10 Lightweight) vs.Tyson Griffin
Fabricio Werdum (No. 6 Heavyweight) vs.Junior dos Santos
Thales Leites (No. 9 Middleweight) vs.Goran Reljic

Preliminary Card:

Spencer Fisher vs.Shannon Gugerty
Gray Maynard vs.Rich Clementi
Hermes Franca vs.Marcus Aurelio
Matt Horwich vs.Ricardo Almeida
Pete Sell vs.Josh Burkman

UFC 91 Current Lineup

Randy Couture vs.Brock Lesnar
Joe Stevenson vs.Kenny Florian
Nate Quarry vs.Demian Maia
Dustin Hazelett vs.Tamdan McCrory
Amir Sadollah vs.Nick Catone
Gabriel Gonzaga vs.Josh Hendricks
Jeremy Stephens vs.Rafael dos Anjos

[Rob]

I need a UFC pic of Cain Velasquez 300x300 and has to be only of him. It's for my WMMA game. No other fighter in the pic. Any help would be appreciated.

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/news/2008_05/12593.jpg

200 x 200

I can resize it if you need me too..

[Rob]

Please. I'm lazy like that

[Kris P Lettus]

You owe me one, mofo..

[Rob]

Gracias

[Vastardikai]

Update on the WWEliteXC Diaz-Weight Division.

Rumor is that it could be Diaz vs. Alvarez fighting for the title that was stripped from KJ Noons.

Fun Fact: Noons offered a name of someone he would rather fight than Diaz. It was.... Alvarez.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Some people are gonna be humbled after the next TUF season. Either we'll find out Britain has some legit fighters here (other than Bisping) or we'll get humbled.

I'm thinking the former. At BJJ last night, the coaches were already talking up the idea of intense training for a couple of guys for try outs. And there aren't many better submission guys out there right now than Roger Gracie.


Just to follow up on the whole concept, we all know Bisping is rumored to be the Team UK coach if he gets through Leban, the rumored coach for the US is Dan Hendo Henderson.

Personally I can't see Bisping out coaching Hollywood Henderson.

[Rob]

I didn't see Chuck Liddell out coaching Randy Couture either but it happened. I heard it would be Henderson too but I wouldn't be surprised if Bisping is next in line for a title shot if he beats Chris Leben so I don't know why you'd face him against Henderson first if that is the case.

[Kris P Lettus]

Anderson Silva to "retire" next year..

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/09/21/ufcs-anderson-silva-ill-retire-next-year/

So after TUF 10, Henderson vs Bisping will be for the vacated title??

I'll go on record now as calling Silva's bluff.. I just can't see him walking away and better yet, I can't see Dana White letting him..

[Kris P Lettus]

TapOut: The Movie

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lolwtf

[Kris P Lettus]

McCain changes stance on MMA..

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[Mr. JL]

That completely fucking sucks about Anderson Silva.

[Rob]

It won't happen. He'll get offered too many pay days and nobody ever retires on top.

[Kris P Lettus]

Pre-TUF Forrest Griffin vids

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/09/20/pre-ultimate-fighter-see-forrest-griffin-beat-chael-sonnen-s/

[Reavant]

I know a pretty sweet secret!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rob]

So do I. Probably not the one you know though.

[Reavant]

is it involving the date of october 4th? and not UFC related?

[Rob]

Nope and yes.

[Rob]

Yours isn't Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson is it?

[Kris P Lettus]

What they they might fight at the next CBS Elite XC show??

Stop being little girls and fucking discuss something..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yours isn't Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson is it?

Knew about this already, also heard Dream is possibly done. Didn't draw for shit in Japan as I understand it.

[Rob]

What they they might fight at the next CBS Elite XC show??

Stop being little girls and fucking discuss something..

Nothing that juicy but there is a big WEC deal coming soon. Can't say more than that really.

[Reavant]

Yours isn't Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson is it?

i can neither confirm nor deny this question

[Reavant]

well its on sherdog now so yea thats what I was talking about

[Impact!]

Rofl at Dana White (You don’t vote each other off on “The Ultimate Fighter,” you beat each other off...

That didn’t sound good, did it?)

[Vastardikai]

No, Dana, it didn't...

[Kris P Lettus]

Damnit..

Two weeks in a row I've completely forgotten to watch..

[Reavant]

is last nights ep. up on the net?

[Kris P Lettus]

I'll look..

[Kris P Lettus]

http://www.mmashare.com/video-tuf-season-8-episode-2-complete-t2675.html

Wouldn't let me embed it but the vid is up and working ATM..

[Rob]

My DVR didn't record it so this is a touch.

[Rob]

Either this season is severely overhyped or this is gonna be some great TV. How the fuck that Armenian was given the decision was a scandal from what I saw of the 3rd round. That dude on the upcoming episodes preview taken one clean on the jaw in the house made me pop though.

[Reavant]

HAHA "beat him off"

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Cuban and HDnet has bought the IFL for $650k.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/hdn...fl-buyer-14546 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/hdnet-emerges-as-ifl-buyer-14546)
Mark Cuban’s HDNet channel has emerged as the frontrunner for all of the remaining assets of the International Fight League, which filed for bankruptcy Sept. 15.

Forms were filed Wednesday with the Securities and Exchange Commission requesting that the publicly owned IFL be given permission to sell its remaining assets to the network. The forms also requested that HDNet be given every consideration as a potential buyer as the IFL’s assets go to the auction block through Oct. 23.

HDNet has offered a buying price of $650,000 for all intellectual property, including the IFL’s film, video and image library; its five-roped competition ring and team trademarks; and proprietary rights, including its web site. The proposed transaction also includes any remaining broadcast contracts the IFL acquired during its two-year tenure, which includes a deal with Fox Sports Network.

HDNet Fights broadcasts a multitude of MMA events, including Strikeforce, Affliction and Japan's Dream promotion. The company’s CEO, Andrew Simon, was not immediately available for comment.

The IFL promoted 23 events in 24 months and spotlighted notable fighters like Ben Rothwell, Chris Horodecki, Jay Hieron and Rory Markham. Many of the IFL’s brightest stars have recently signed deals with the UFC, WEC, EliteXC and Affliction Entertainment.

[Impact!]

Looks like UF will be pretty good this season :y:

[Rob]

Two questions:

1 - Why the fuck would you buy the IFL? Just wait til it goes into liquidation if you want the tapes that bad. They can't be worth much anyhow.

2 - How did UFC get their footage on their TV previously if they didn't own it?

[Rob]

WEC ends 185 and 205 divisions.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/12861/wec-officially-abolishes-middleweight-and-light-heavyweight-classes.mma

Thoughts?

[Kris P Lettus]

All the fighters are still gonna be under contract right??

I'd like to see guys like Brian Stann and Paulo Fihlo in the UFC..

[Rob]

I don't think any of the WEC guys are gonna hang there expect possibly Fihlo. Even he is suspect with his issues.

[Rob]

UFC might be in Dublin on January 17.

[Confused]

UFC might be in Dublin on January 17.

Ah shite. If it happens i won't be able to go.

The one fucking month i'll be saving the cash.

[Reavant]

Two questions:


2 - How did UFC get their footage on their TV previously if they didn't own it?

not for sure but maybe ifl doesnt have the rights over their footage like the ufc does

[Rob]

Of course they do. Mark Cuban is paying for the tapes.

[Kris P Lettus]

TUF Ep 3

http://video.mma-tv.net/flvplayer.swf?file=?x=3092flv

[Reavant]

thanks krisp

[Impact!]

Apparently it's confirmed for UFC 92 that the Main Events will be Rampage Jackson V Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans V Forrest Griffin (UFC Light Heavyweight Championship), and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira V Frank Mir (Interim Heavyweight Championship). Sounds incredible imo

[Kris P Lettus]

92 will be the card of the year, for sure..

[Kris P Lettus]

Barnett Turns Down Fedor

Top-ranked heavyweight Josh Barnett was originally scheduled to fight Andre Arlovksi in the main event of Affliction’s second pay-per-view card, “Day of Reckoning,” before it was postponed due to sagging ticket sales and an impending partnership with boxing promoter Golden Boy Promotions.

Shortly after, Affliction and Golden Boy announced their boxing/MMA hybrid event for Jan. 17 in Anaheim, Calif., to feature No. 1 ranked heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko.

Though it was widely assumed that the Arlovski/Barnett tilt would be moved to the January card, things changed when Affliction inserted Arlovksi and Roy Nelson into EliteXC’s third CBS televised card, “Heat,” on Oct. 4.

Barnett says he was in Japan during the EliteXC announcement, and it didn’t come as good news.

“I was disappointed, yes,” he told MMAWeekly.com. “That was supposed to be my fight. We talked about it at some point prior to going to Japan, and I found out that I didn’t get the fight while in Japan. I continued to work on some business there, especially after I found out I wasn’t getting the fight.”

A fight with Fedor Emelianenko on the Jan. 17 card would seem a logical concession, but Barnett says he has turned it down.

“It would be (logical) for the fans, but the fans don’t understand contracts or the way things have been put down on the back end in terms of the business aspect of it,” he said. “Or the details between both of the fighters. So, it’s not really that we want to rob the fans of something, it’s just that I don’t think it’s possible.”

He maintains his decision is based on personal and business reasons.

“There’s just some times it’s better to keep your mouth shut and just not really talk too much about things,” he said. “I’m not trying to make anybody look bad or talk about the details of it, but it’s just not a fight that’s going to happen in January. And I think that the feeling is actually mutual.”

Barnett met Emelianenko for dinner during his trip to Japan, and the possibility of the fight was discussed. It was there Barnett concluded he would not fight his friend in January.

“There’s a lot of factors that go into this one,” he continued. “It’s not so simple.”

Affliction vice president Tom Atencio now says a Jan. 24 date for the first Affliction/Golden Boy venture is likely, due to the recent announcement of UFC 93 scheduled to take place on the same date in Dublin, Ireland.

“It doesn’t make any sense for us to go head to head with them,” Atencio said.

For Barnett, these things are part of the ups and downs of the fight business.

“Sometimes they’re surprising and sometimes they’re not, but I live for doing this my way and I’m never going to take second best from anyone ever,” he said


He was such a douche picking on Aleks, but is scared of Fedor..

Fuck Josh Barnett..

[Kris P Lettus]

LMFAO

Frank "Twinkle Toes" Triggs says he could beat Anderson Silva..

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/09/30/frank-trigg-i-could-beat-anderson-silva/

[Rob]

Apparently it's confirmed for UFC 92 that the Main Events will be Rampage Jackson V Wanderlei Silva, Rashad Evans V Forrest Griffin (UFC Light Heavyweight Championship), and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira V Frank Mir (Interim Heavyweight Championship). Sounds incredible imo

Apparently it's confirmed?

[Rob]

Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida on the TUF 8 finale. :D

[Rob]

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[Destor]

whats going on there :eek:

[Impact!]

Apparently it's confirmed?
Read it on a couple of news sites (that said it was confirmed) but hadn't seen it on ufc.com, so I said apparently =\

[Impact!]

Weigh in I gather

[Rob]

Yeah Gina Carano weighed in 3lbs over I think for her fight tonight so they made her strip naked (which they failed to do before) to make 141lbs. This broad is a sweetheart really and a smart girl but when it comes to making weight, she is a fucking disgrace.

[Impact!]

Hey Rob, who do you think is gonna win in the Shamrock Kimbo fight?

[Fabien Barthez]

I think it's going to be like a very very poor mans Lesnar/Mir.

I would actually back Kimbo, because Ken/Berry showed just how appauling he is degenerating to.

[Kris P Lettus]

Gina is fucking hotttt..

That dude who dropped the sheet was mad peeping over it the whole time..

Creepy bastard..

[Rob]

Hey Rob, who do you think is gonna win in the Shamrock Kimbo fight?

Probably Kimbo but I'm backing Shamrock. 4-1 underdog in anyfight I'd think about a wager but a guy with Shamrock's experience on the big level against Kimbo severe lack of experience, I can't pass up those odds.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Paul Daley KO's Jake Shields either.

[Rob]

Gina is fucking hotttt..

That dude who dropped the sheet was mad peeping over it the whole time..

Creepy bastard..

I think it was her dad.

[Innovator]

How do you get that job, holding a towel for Gina...cause I want that

[Rob]

I'd rather have the job of dropping the towel.

[Rob]

BREAKING NEWS

Ken Shamrock has some sort of cut that is putting the Kimbo fight in danger. Frank Shamrock offered to fight with zero training but the comission blocked it. Seth Petruzelli might be taking his spot.

From the Observer site.

[Stickman]

I'm picking Kimbo via Ken taking a dive

[Rob]

Apparently they are gonna let Ken fight.

[Rob]

MMA Junkie says the fight is off. Meltzer is saying it's on.

What the fuck?

[Y2Ant]

I need CBS.

[Rob]

Ken Shamrock is officially OUT.

Frank Shamrock may actually get the fight now. This could be SOOOOO awesome.

Kimbo refused to fight Seth Petruzelli.

Kimbo is a pussy.

[Rob]

I am seriously so hyped for this show now. This is gonna be the biggest let down in MMA history if they don't let Frank Shamrock fight.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Petruzelli is now being reported as the stand in by MMAJunkie officially?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Anyone else catch Frank calling Ken out a little at the beginning of the show?

[Rob]

Yeah it was awesome. Frank is money. Ken cut a great promo too.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I am still very much in love with ms Gina Carono, rather she wins or loses.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

LOL! Kimbo got fucked up on from punches. Haha. Sure he ate two clean shots to the back of his head but he got fucked up. lol. I'm loving this.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

EXPOSED!

[KingofOldSchool]

I was saving this for the Cubs later tonight, but Mr. Kimbo...

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[Vastardikai]

RIP WWEliteXC

[KingofOldSchool]

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[Crimson]

I am still very much in love with ms Gina Carono, rather she wins or loses.

Hell yea..she's fine as hell

[Impact!]

Ahahaha excellent :D

[RP]

ROFL Bye Kimbo Slice.

[Rob]

Could only have been better if Frank Shamrock got out of the announcing table and got in the cage to answer the Kimbo challenge. It was awesome anyway. Fuck Kimbo.

[Impact!]

Yeah gotta agree there, would have been incredible to see Frank step in for Ken

[VonErichLives]

Could only have been better if Frank Shamrock got out of the announcing table and got in the cage to answer the Kimbo challenge. It was awesome anyway. Fuck Kimbo.

I didn't watch the prelim stuff, but my friend said Frank actually said he offered to fill it, but was told due to his broken arm not being 100% they wouldn't let him.

I still really wanted to see Ken Shamrock get fucked up... but Kimbo was just as good.

XC is starting to get a few fighters though and if they get Ortiz that will draw some ratings where some really good fighters that aren't well known wouldn't, the stint on the celeb apprentince made him much better known then most to a borderline/cross over audience.

[Chuck Jones]

My views on EliteXC. They are as good as done. Their top draw was exposed and destroyed in short fashion and they are bleeding money at this point. Somehow getting Tito Ortiz would be slowing down the inevitable.

[Impact!]

Imo if Affliction/EliteXC/DREAM want to get off the ground they really need to create some sort of partnership. Though I think DREAM has one in place already (possibly with EliteXC?), but a larger joint venture would certainly help to promote/create knew stars...

[Vastardikai]

I just wanted to bring up a 7 month old quote, nothing more...

Kimbo vs. anyone with a modicum of skill = Kimbo getting annihilated.

[Innovator]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

eat it Kimbo

[Crimson]

I got a little annoyed at Gus Johnson at the end of the fight when he was all calling Seth rocky, and making it seem like Kimbo was this unbeatable beast..I was like wtf Kimbo sucks.

[Crimson]

He sounded like JR

[Vastardikai]

BAHGAWDROCKYSLOBBERKNOCKER

[McLegend]

Gus Johnson is fuckin great. Never say anything other then that about him.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah, Gus proclaiming this was the greatest moment in MMA history or whatever was laughable. Very old school WCW right there.

Anyway, personally I don't have a huge issue with Kimbo. In all of his interviews he seems pretty dedicated and fairly humble. He's just stepping into the role he was given just like anyone who was present with that kind of oppertunity would have. I just fucking HATE how people think he's a legitimate heavyweight which is why is was so great o watch him get completely decimated.

[Crimson]

+1

[Reavant]

I fought on saturday 2 guys!!!



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[El Fangel]

Congratulations mate.

[Crimson]

I wana hear a shout out to tpww on an interview after a fight. Along with you wearing a 'TPWW JU jitsu' shirt

[Confused]

Congratulations Reavant.

[Fabien Barthez]

You not going to talk us through it a bit?

[Reavant]

you cant figure it out?

Entrance, Intro b4 match, faceoff, takedown, ground and pound.

TKO in 1:30ish

[Innovator]

takedown, pass guard to mount?

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, you wouldn't have been so eager to show pics of the fat man punching you, so I was wondering if it was a totally genuine timeline. And if it is, then thats fantastic.

Also, you look much less like a man-troll with the hair. So a good day all round for you. Qudos.

[Fabien Barthez]

OK, well, a cooler man-troll.

[Reavant]

takedown, pass guard to mount?

yea I wanted to strike but I threw my first strike and somehow mangaed to be right next to him so i took the bear hug and took him down. i was in half gaurd and was punching his midsection because he was turning his head. I then ended up in north south real quick because i was going to go for a chocke but he turned in so i went back to side and steped over to mount. Then i just landed shots till the ref stopped it.

[Cactus Sid]

OK, well, a cooler man-troll.

Surely he's aiming for the Arlovski look....

Anyway congratulations on the win, TKO 1st round in your first fight is an outstanding achievement :y:

[Reavant]

id show more of the transition pics but all u can see is a bunch of ass

[Reavant]

Surely he's aiming for the Arlovski look....

Anyway congratulations on the win, TKO 1st round in your first fight is an outstanding achievement :y:

honestly it was unintentional.... Andrei told me to grow the beard because it helps slip punches so i did it, and my hair has been long for a year now.

[Impact!]

cool advice

[Kris P Lettus]

Kimbo :(

[Kris P Lettus]

STFU Fabien Barthez

You are worse than Fallen Angel, just STFU..

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

id show more of the transition pics but all u can see is a bunch of ass
What's the problem? :shifty:

[Kris P Lettus]

So, Seth Petruzelli, the guy who beat Kimbo, is somewhat of a faggot..

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Yeah..

[Fabien Barthez]

STFU Fabien Barthez

You are worse than Fallen Angel, just STFU..

Who exactly became interested in your opinion all of a sudden?

[Kris P Lettus]

Pot.Kettle.Clue.

You constantly come on here and act all high and mighty.. Questioning Reav's pics and whatnot..

You sound like a wannabe know it all, who is def compensating for something..

[Fabien Barthez]

Who was acting high and mighty? I was just asking if they were just the best shots taken, or if that was the timeline. He doesn't need you sticking up for him. Nobody does. Just fuck off.

[Crimson]

lol wtf @pics. That makes it even funnier..Kimbo gets ko'd by gay guy.

[Ninti the Mad]

lol wtf @pics. That makes it even funnier..Kimbo gets ko'd by gay guy.

[Stickman]

I'm so glad Kimbo got exposed.

[Reavant]

too bad that fight alone might tank elite XC. I know that kimbo is a joke but he was really good for marketing and grabing the casual fan and its going to be hard to promote him now.

[Impact!]

If they do tank I'd love to see Robbie Lawler back in the UFC :D

[Destor]

Elite EX Debacle

October 6, 2008
I’ve got to tell you when I plugged the Elite XC show on CBS in my previous commentary and hinted at surprises, this is not what I meant. I had high hopes for this show, and while it started out great, boy did this show fall off the cliff, for Elite XC.

From my perspective I enjoyed the show. I’m the kind of fan that as long as they put on a couple decent fights, I’m pretty happy, but I would think from all the important business aspects of this show, this has to be considered an EPIC FAILURE.

The biggest disaster has to be the company not being able to produce the Main Event it promised. Ken Shamrock getting a cut over his eye, bad enough to require stitches, the afternoon of this show absolutely killed this show. Kimbo Slice vs. Ken Shamrock was the attraction CBS and Elite XC sold this show on. Despite not being a top-level fighter Kimbo Slice is the face of Elite XC, and their top draw. Kimbo Slice needs to be protected and Ken Shamrock was the perfect opponent for Kimbo in that he is well past his prime and as close to a house hold name as you get in MMA. Kimbo was well protected in this fight in that Ken has not looked good in any of his recent fights, so there was a good chance Kimbo would be able to score an early knockout and look strong in this fight, by beating a UFC Hall of Famer. Elite XC and Kimbo were protected even if Kimbo were to lose because they could attribute the Shamrock victory to his experience and status as a legend in this sport.

When they announced that Kimbo would be fighting Seth Petruzelli I became very nervous for Kimbo Slice and Elite XC. I knew very little about Seth Petruzelli but still figured he stood a good chance of defeating Kimbo Slice. This fight was a no win situation for Kimbo and Elite XC. If Kimbo wins he defeats a guy from the undercard no one (casual fans) has heard of, and if Petruzelli wins Kimbo is exposed and beaten by an undercard guy, and I doubt Petruzelli, based on this one fight, will becomes a Superstar.

What ended up happening was, in my opinion, the worst-case scenario for everyone involved. Kimbo looked and sounded defeated during his preflight promo and at that point I expected Kimbo to loss bad and quickly, which he did in spades. Kimbo looked so depressed and unfocussed during this interview, I’d almost think the dude gave up and took a dive. Kimbo was KO’ed in 14 seconds yet did not appear to take any real devastating shots. Petruzelli did not look like a destructive machine and dropped Kimbo with a rather unimpressive right hand.

To the casual fan Kimbo came off like a bum and Petruzelli came off not a whole lot better. I say this because I watched this show at my in-laws who I think represent the casual fan perspective well. They are not real fans but have seen a couple shows because of me. My father in-law all but laughed at the short fight and I guarantee you does not even remember Seth Petruzelli’s name.

To a slightly more educated fan, like myself, I thought the commentary didn’t help matters any. Mentioning that Seth was a former Ultimate Fighter participant just made him seem like more of a jobber to me. While many of the early Ultimate Fighter winners have gone on to be superstars most current winners go on to be successful midcard guys in UFC so this guy being one of the loser from the show made me think he wasn’t even good enough to compete in UFC, yet just killed Elite XC’s top draw in 14 seconds.

The Main Event wasn’t the only problem. I think the Andrei Arlovski vs. Roy Nelson fight was also a negative to the casual fan. Of the five people watching the show at my in-laws, I was the only one who did not laugh out loud at Roy Nelson and comment on how fat and out of shape he was. Unfortunately the general public has been educated to believe that abs represent strength and toughness and if you don’t look like Sly Stallone or Arnold Schwarzenegger, in their prime, you are out of shape and not a real fighter. Everyone expected this guy to lose quickly and when he lasted as long as he did I think they attributed it to Arlovski not being as good as they thought, rather than Nelson being any good.

I enjoyed the Jake Shields vs. Paul Daley fight enough but watching it I couldn’t help but think I was watching two very one dimensional fighters that would be eliminated early if they competed on TUF, yet this match was for an Elite XC Title. Shields did not appear to have any stand up and Daley looked completely lost on the ground, and in case casual fans didn’t notice this on their own, the announcers kept pointing it out to us.

I don’t think a single star was created in the three main event bouts and Kimbo’s drawing power may have been completely destroyed. Arlovski likely expanded his name value a little bit, getting the KO win on network television, but hardcore fans already know him and to casual fans he’s the guy who KO’ed the big fat guy.

The first two fights on the show were a completely different story. I loved the first fight between Murilo Ninja Rua and Benji Radach. In my opinion Radach came off very strong and I definitely want to see him fight again. Unlike Petruzelli in the Main Event, mentioning Ninja Rua’s UFC past paid off. Ninja competing in UFC gave him credibility, and after showing such an amazing chin in round one, Ninja came off like a real top-level fighter to me. With Radach being so strong and eventually knocking the very tough Rua out cold I was left feeling that he was the best fighter on the show.

The Carrano vs. Kobold fight was also very good and thankfully Elite XC dodged a bullet with a Carrano victory here and a Cyborg victory on the undercard. Carrano vs. Cyborg is likely the biggest fight Elite XC has left to market and had either of these women lost, that fight would have been out the window too.

A very bad night for CBS and Elite XC; it will be very interesting to see where they go from here because things do not look good. I think it’s safe to assume the biggest pop of the night came from Dana White’s house.

Lance Storm http://www.stormwrestling.com/images/width.jpg

[Destor]

Gotta agree with that guy

[Kris P Lettus]

Who exactly became interested in your opinion all of a sudden?


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Way to not care, Mr. Billy Badass v 2.0..

[Rob]

Fuck sake get over it girls.

[Impact!]

It's almost like someone let Kano into the thread

[Kris P Lettus]

He just acts very uppity and comes across as a shithead 90% of the time..

Irks me, when seemingly everyone eles who uses this thread regularly helps each other out and whatnot..

[Rob]

I think you took what he said the wrong way though but anyway can we at least have one thread here where it's not ruined by personal beefs?

[Impact!]

We can certainly try

[Kris P Lettus]

Personal Beef

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[Loose Cannon]

lol @ fag pics. Kind of sucks though that this whole thing happened though. If they kept Kimbo's mystique going (even if it was such a farce), they could of had him go like 30-0 and have him come out and send an open challenge to any one of "Dana White's Boys." fuck me if that wouldn't of made for good TV

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't like the Kimbo loss one bit.. I realize Elite XC is a joke but, they are the biggest competition in the US to UFC.. Afflictions has the potential but is second rate as I said during their first show.. Dream is in Japan.. UFC needs the comp to keep them putting on great cards.. Kinda like WWF started to suck after they bought WCW cause there was no competition so they could put on weak shows and still know people would tune in..

[Fabien Barthez]

He just acts very uppity and comes across as a shithead 90% of the time..

Irks me, when seemingly everyone eles who uses this thread regularly helps each other out and whatnot..


From the guy who posts the personal comment I made to ask him to fuck off and stop talking to me, because he ignored the first one.... and then fucking starts to make MORE pointless comments, not about the thread topic!

I mean, help your fucking self out, I came to talk about MMA, so for the last time you soft prick, wind your stupid neck in and keep this on topic.

[Destor]

Shut up

both of you

[Loose Cannon]

reply to KRISPY

exactly. with these other companies, they are creating thier own stars and it's so easy to build any sort of rivalry/conflict/controversy when you have that. And that's the kind of stuff Americans love to watch.

I mean I can just see Kimbo (if he were still unbeaten) in the ring after a match just ripping apart UFC and Dana White. shit like that would be awesome to watch. At least to me they would.

[Fabien Barthez]

So anyway. Seth Petruzelli is as dumb as he is a gaylord.

Source: thefightnetwork.com

POSTED: October 7, 2008 - 10:21 am

CATEGORIES: MMA


Seth Petruzelli created quite a stir following his improbable 14-second TKO against Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson during this past weekend’s Saturday Night Fights on CBS. He also added to the controversy following an interview during an interview on 104.1 FM in Orlando with the Monsters morning show.

When asked by one of the show’s hosts whether he was concerned by Slice’s standup skills and wanted to focus on getting the fight to the ground, Petruzelli indicated that he wanted to keep it standing. However, he also phrased his answer in a way that left many wondering whether EliteXC officials had offered him a bonus to keep the fight standing as opposed to taking it to the ground.

“… I knew I would do alright standing up with him,” Petruzelli said during the radio interview. “The promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down, let’s just put it that way.”

Upon being contacted by FiveOuncesOfPain.com for a followup, Petruzelli indicated that he felt his words during the 104.1 FM interview are being twisted and he categorically denied accusations that EliteXC somehow tried to influence his strategy through financial considerations.

“What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground,” Petruzelli said. “That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me.”

Upon being asked directly whether EliteXC officials had even hinted that he could receive a bonus by keeping the fight standing, Petruzelli clarified that no such act had taken place.

“No,” he responded. “Look, even the UFC gives knockout bonuses. Everyone gives knockout bonuses. There’s knockout bonuses, submission bonuses, all sorts of bonuses. I just wanted to keep it standing because I felt I could beat (Kimbo) at his own game.”

Messages left for EliteXC officials requesting comment for this article were not immediately returned.

What a dick.

They probably did as well....

[Rob]

reply to KRISPY

exactly. with these other companies, they are creating thier own stars and it's so easy to build any sort of rivalry/conflict/controversy when you have that. And that's the kind of stuff Americans love to watch.

I mean I can just see Kimbo (if he were still unbeaten) in the ring after a match just ripping apart UFC and Dana White. shit like that would be awesome to watch. At least to me they would.

Why would it be good to watch? Dana White is never gonna mention EliteXC on his TV and is never gonna let his fighters go and fight their guys even if they just killed them. And why would EliteXC let Kimbo throw out challenges that will never be answered? It's the boy who cried wolf. Eventually people don't care.

Plus Dana's boys would kill him.

[Loose Cannon]

Why would it be good to watch? Dana White is never gonna mention EliteXC on his TV and is never gonna let his fighters go and fight their guys even if they just killed them. And why would EliteXC let Kimbo throw out challenges that will never be answered? It's the boy who cried wolf. Eventually people don't care.

Plus Dana's boys would kill him.

I hear what you're saying and you're right on all points, but to me it screams marketing potential. Obviously Dana White won't mention them, but let's just say a company like EliteXC kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger to the level of UFC. And let's say that company started calling out UFC at every chance they got and started competing with them on PPV buys.

Obviously EliteXC is dead in the water and Obviously Dana's worst fighter might have beaten Kimbo, but if a company out there can ever rise to the level of UFC, don't you think a "feud" should be created and don't you think these Americans, who feed off of shit like this all the time, would eat up a "feud" between two companies. Cause you know the media would run with it.

Yes, there's 50 billion "what if's," but I would love to see that happen

[Kris P Lettus]

CBS Plans Fourth EliteXC Event

According to Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President of CBS Primetime Television, the network is "very happy" with the ratings from EliteXC "Heat". She said the network plans to go forward with a planned fourth show, as stated in their original contract.

When the early ratings came out, a lot of places predicted doom for EliteXC because they were a little lower than the first show in May. What people failed to understand is the expectations are higher for a show at the end of May because it faces almost no competition. By then all the popular shows are done for the season. It also did not face stiff competition from other sports. EliteXC "Heat" on Saturday night had to deal with new shows on the other channels, playoff Baseball, and College Football. The Baseball and College Football games, particularly would eat into their core audience.

The fact it brought in over 4.3 million viewers is a victory for EliteXC. When the final numbers are released, I will be interested to see how the ratings changed from the first hour to the second. It is quite possible they would have done better than the first broadcast, but the announcement of Ken Shamrock's injury had to drive away a percentage of the audience. All in all, a good showing for an embattled organization.


This is actually good news after that horrid second card and then Shamrock bailing out and Kimbo getting dominated by a relatively unknow TUF fighter..

[Reavant]

I like the fact that Elite XC and affliction are teaming up tho. I just wish that they put more emphasis on big name guys like Andrei/fedor/lil nog/barnet/babalu or the others that were involved in the affliction card. If you can start to build the organizations around those guys, then you can really make some progress and eventually rival the UFC. The thing is, Elite XC is more visable to the casual fans because its free, so they need to be showcasing the big stars and building them up to the masses.

I like what they tried to do with having andrei fight on the free card, the problem is that he fought roy nelson. We all know that roy is a decent fighter but to everyone who never heard of him would have thought andrei would KO him in a second and with watching the fight, that wasnt the case. I really think they need to build up their guys by feeding them cans and getting the public excited and then have them start facing eachother, and that way they dont have to depend on the kimbos and shamrocks out there.

[Kris P Lettus]

Completely agree..

I think the Affliction/EXC partnership will do well for both companies.. Give Affliction national primetime ad space, while it gives EXC actual real MMA fighters.. If they continue on CBS, they should show more of their "superstar" guys like Barnett and Babalu while they can fill their under card spot for the PPVs with some of the depth EXC has in the locker room..

[Nark Order]

I do have to say that I feel rather bad for Kimbo. They hyped him up to be some sort of invincible freak of nature to the point where it was completely impossible for him to live up to even half of his advertising. They would have been better served to keep him in the undercard for a couple years while he's training day in and day out with Bas Rutten, wait until he's an ACTUAL force to be reckoned with (as opposed to a fictional one) and THEN hype him like he's the reincarnation of George Foreman. They did him no favors at all they way that they went about all this.

Also, kudos to Lance Storm. Couldn't have said it better myself. If they were going to make us believe that he's superman, they should have NEVER EVER put him against a young lower card participant. All of his opponents should be faltering deteriorating legends on the brink of retirement. If Kimbo wins, he trounces a legend. If Kimbo loses, then experience wins the battle.

Also, Question. Was Seth Petruzelli the guy on TUF2 that did all of those insane wheel/cresent kicks that were ridiculous looking?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, he was on TUF..

[Nark Order]

Yeah, but was he the dude that did those ridiculous looking flying kicks that everyone was talkin about or was that some other guy?

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't remember all that but he was def on TUF 2..

[Rob]

I hear what you're saying and you're right on all points, but to me it screams marketing potential. Obviously Dana White won't mention them, but let's just say a company like EliteXC kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger to the level of UFC. And let's say that company started calling out UFC at every chance they got and started competing with them on PPV buys.

Obviously EliteXC is dead in the water and Obviously Dana's worst fighter might have beaten Kimbo, but if a company out there can ever rise to the level of UFC, don't you think a "feud" should be created and don't you think these Americans, who feed off of shit like this all the time, would eat up a "feud" between two companies. Cause you know the media would run with it.

Yes, there's 50 billion "what if's," but I would love to see that happen

I don't think the media would give a shit in the slightest. No gave a shit really when it was Pride. And when the inter promotional stuff happened in Japan, it went to shit. Same as it would in the States.

[Stickman]

This isn't WWF vs WCW. Dana will never mention Elite or Affliction and everybody knows UFC is king. Personally, I'd rather see a monopoly but I can understand why others wouldnt' want that.

[Fabien Barthez]

I hear what you're saying and you're right on all points, but to me it screams marketing potential. Obviously Dana White won't mention them, but let's just say a company like EliteXC kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger to the level of UFC. And let's say that company started calling out UFC at every chance they got and started competing with them on PPV buys.

Obviously EliteXC is dead in the water and Obviously Dana's worst fighter might have beaten Kimbo, but if a company out there can ever rise to the level of UFC, don't you think a "feud" should be created and don't you think these Americans, who feed off of shit like this all the time, would eat up a "feud" between two companies. Cause you know the media would run with it.

Yes, there's 50 billion "what if's," but I would love to see that happen

No company can ever grow unless they sell their shows with ex-UFC fighters, and the vast majority of UFC fighters who are legitimate names won't leave because of the lack of competition elsewhere. So basically, anyone who fights outside UFC who is a drawing name, is automatically percieved as green and competition shy, and in that lose some of the drawing power which they harboured in UFC. It just won't happen. And I don't think it would be a good thing for the sport in general anyway.

All this is Fedor excluded, but after Fedor, there will be no exceptions.

Also, i'm all for a bit of Yank-bashing, just like the next person, but dressing it up as an idea to amuse the 'futile' septics, when it is your idea/90's wrestling mirroring dream which was mostly just to amuse yourself is not exactly that...:-\

[Kris P Lettus]

No company can ever grow unless they sell their shows with ex-UFC fighters

You have no idea what you are talking about..

DREAM is prettty huge right now and the only fighter I can think of that is a former UFC fighter is Cro Cop, but that destroys your theory also because he was a star in Japan way before he signed with Zuffa..

[Impact!]

I thought DREAM wasn't doing so good in Japan?

[Kris P Lettus]

They have really good fighters and put on really good shows.. I think the problem lies that they aren't near as huge as Pride was, so selling out 100k seat arenas is difficult to say the least..

[Kris P Lettus]

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[Impact!]

They have really good fighters and put on really good shows.. I think the problem lies that they aren't near as huge as Pride was, so selling out 100k seat arenas is difficult to say the least..

Oh I know they have good fighters/fights but what I meant was the public perception of them so far isn't looking good...at least from what I heard. I've even heard rumours that if their next show doesn't sit to well it could be all over for the "Dream"

[Kris P Lettus]

With a 59 percent increase in ratings from its July installment of "Saturday Night Fights," EliteXC and CBS scored an overall 2.7 rating and drew 4.56 million viewers for this past weekend's "EliteXC: Heat" event.

The Oct. 4 broadcast was the day's No. 1 rated sports and entertainment event on both broadcast and cable in the key demographics of adults 18-34, men 18-34 and men 18-49.

EliteXC today released the ratings, which were provided by Nielsen live plus same day ratings.

In those key demographics, "Saturday Night Fights" topped MLB playoff games, a series of NCAA football games, and a replay of UFC 86 that aired on Spike TV.

As MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com/)) reported earlier this week, ratings for "EliteXC: Heat" were up sharply from the second EliteXC-CBS broadcast in July. "Unfinished Business," which took place in Stockton, Calif., flopped with just 2.6 million viewers.

Instead, with EliteXC stars Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson and Gina Carano back in action, this past weekend's event came close to matching the record-breaking "Saturday Night Fights" debut in May. "EliteXC: Primetime," which took place in Newark, N.J., drew 4.85 million viewers to make it the highest-rated event in U.S. MMA history.

Ferguson and Carano were featured prominently in that first event, much like they were this past weekend. Although Ferguson suffered a humiliating 14-second TKO loss to late replacement Seth Petruzelli in the night's main event, Carano again dazzled with a victory over Kelly Kobold. The event also featured victories for EliteXC welterweight champ Jake Shields, Andrei Arlovski (in a featured Affliction bout) and Benji Radach.

Initial ratings for "EliteXC: Heat" pegged the number of viewers at 4.3 million viewers. However, the ratings for the final 20 minutes of the broadcast (which included the Ferguson-Petruzelli fight) were not available at that time.

Earlier this year, CBS and EliteXC entered into an agreement to air four live MMA events as part of a "Saturday Night Fights" series. "EliteXC: Heat" was the third event, and the fourth is slated to air in the first quarter of 2009

Even with all this, EXC is doing better, it seems..

I blame Gina "Hottttt Assssss" Carano..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh I know they have good fighters/fights but what I meant was the public perception of them so far isn't looking good...at least from what I heard. I've even heard rumours that if their next show doesn't sit to well it could be all over for the "Dream"

Personally, I haven't watched a whole card as of yet.. Just seen some of the fights online.. But, alot of guys from other message boards are really high on it, but then again, they might just be Pride fan boys who love to see a similar product still out there..

:dunno:

[Impact!]

Yeah that's pretty much what I've noticed. (Personally I hope it actually kicks off, as it's got shit loads of potential, and another big MMA promotion is definetly not a bad thing)

[Rob]

Oh I know they have good fighters/fights but what I meant was the public perception of them so far isn't looking good...at least from what I heard. I've even heard rumours that if their next show doesn't sit to well it could be all over for the "Dream"

That is true. They are very much on their last legs.

[Kris P Lettus]

People were raving about that last show a few weeks ago..

[Rob]

Yeah but the finances are in the shits. And the TV rating was down 3 ratings points and everyone panicked about it.

[Impact!]

Unfortunately I think it is being perceived as Pride Light instead of Pride V2 or (even better) a new promotion.

[Impact!]

How well promoted is it getting in Japan btw? (If anyone here knows...a.k.a Rob)

[Rob]

No idea. Not Pride levels for sure.

[Kris P Lettus]

Tito Ortiz Out 9-12 Months Following Back Surgery

On Monday Tito Ortiz had successful spinal fusion surgery. This surgery is no joke. It is not a typical procedure for athletes, like getting a knee cleaned out or some thing. It is a major operation. Tito is looking at a month before he can even start physical rehabilitation. He is not assured to ever come back from this, but it seems like he certainly is determined.

According to Tito, the UFC has refused to cover the cost of his surgery. This does not surprise me. As Tito loves to say, he is a free agent. Why would the UFC pay for the surgery of a fighter who is not on their roster? They would in effect pay for Tito to get better and fight for another promotion. Tito thinks this is a grave injustice, and while I do think his injuries were the result of repeated fighting and training (or maybe just the result of carrying around your enormous head for 33 years), I also see the UFC's side. He says the injury goes back to his first fight with Randy Couture in 2003. This gave him ample opportunity to have surgery, but he chose to continue fighting with back pain. That was his choice and now he has to live with it.

I wonder how Affliction and EliteXC feel about knowing they were in active negotiations with a guy who was planning on getting major back surgery. It's too bad he never signed, because the breach of contract lawsuit would have been very entertaining to cover.


With all the talk of him going to Affliction and then EXC they forget to mention this??

WTF

I've always hated that guy anyway and he burned out years ago IMO..

[Kris P Lettus]

Former WEC Light Heavyweight Champion Brian Stann will not be able to fight on the December 10th UFC FIGHT FOR THE TROOPS show which is to be held at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Sources close to the fighter today confirmed to Fiveouncesofpain.com that an injury to the fighter’s foot would not allow him to fight in his scheduled bout with Steve Cantwell.

Sucks cause that card is kinda pointless without Stann..

[Rob]

EVERYONE in the MMA game knew Tito's back was bad and he'd need surgery. UFC also had the chance to pay for it when he was under contract and then refused.

Let's not make Tito out to be the bad guy here. He worked through his deal like you should and now is allowed to talk to whoever he wants about a new deal. Nothing wrong with that. These same people who bury Tito are alll still licking Randy Couture's balls and what he did was ten times worse.

[Impact!]

tbh Krispy I'd heard about that (him needing surgery) ages ago...Which is why I didn't really expect him to sign with anyone...

[Impact!]

Also UF this week was pretty good (Hope to god someone smashes junie's face in)

[Kris P Lettus]

I knew about the bad back but not that it was gonna sideline him for a year..

I think he's done..

[Kris P Lettus]

Petruzelli got death threats..

PRO MMA: How did you celebrate your big win? Did you go out?

Seth: Yeah I went out that night, I was a little scared to go out, but I reluctantly went out because everyone wanted me to go out. I had a couple of death threats and people saying some stuff, so I was kind of scared to go out a little bit but I went low key so it pretty fun then I had an after party here which was really fun. I got a little too drunk. I didn’t even have that much to drink but after cutting weight and not having much food I was drunk after just a couple of drinks.

PRO MMA: You said you had some death threats, but was it the locals because I know you are from Florida too?

Seth: Yeah, I’m from Florida but not from south Florida. It was mainly the Kimbo fans down there that was doing it.

PRO MMA: Having to worry about some gangsters doing some shady stuff to you when you’re trying to celebrate your win, man that’s no fun.

Seth: Yeah it kind of sucks and kind of takes the fun out of it. The first thing I said to the athletic commissioner when he came in the ring and told me to calm down was, “You gotta get me outta here, you gotta get me outta here. I’m scared.” I was just waiting for something to get thrown in the ring.

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/07/seth-petruzelli-discusses-elitexc-bonus-money-kimbos-posse-threatening-his-wife-what-it-was-like-fighting-bob-sapp-and-more-in-new-exclusive-interview/

Sam Caplan: Can you talk about the aftermath? That was a pretty crazy scene around the cage with Kimbo’s crew. At any point were you concerned for your safety?

Seth Petruzelli: Oh yeah, 100 percent. Afterwards, and I didn’t know it at the time, buy my wife had got threatened a few times. My corner had got threatened a few times. I had stuff thrown at me from the crowd. As soon as I had got done circling and screaming, the athletic commission told me I had to calm down because the crowd was getting crazy. So I calmed down and said listen, “You’ve got to get me out of here.” And I kind of started to get worried about my well-being at that point (laughs).

Sam Caplan: Did the threats against your wife and your corner come from Kimbo’s fans or his corner?

Seth Petruzelli: It was some of his posse that was around the cage. Not all of them were like that but there were a few that were talking some crap that I wasn’t very happy about.

Sam Caplan: (Laughs) Do you have any idea what they possibly could have been mad at you about aside from doing your job?

Seth Petruzelli: I have no idea. I heard this one kid, he kept saying “You cheated! You cheated! You cheated!” (Laughs) And I’m like, how the hell did I cheat!? I mean, what are you talking about!?

[Kris P Lettus]

There are talks of Gabe Gonzaga wanting to fight Lesnar in a Battle of the Beasts.. As of right now it's gonna be:

Mir vs Nog for the interim belt

Lesnar vs Couture for the number one contender spot, winner getting to fight the winner or Mir/Nog for the undisputed belt

So would Gabe get Lesnar either way or do you think he deserves a shot at the title (if Lesnar beats Randy and then Nog/Mir)??

[Impact!]

Gabe V Brock would be pretty good

[Kris P Lettus]

Rampage interview about the incident..

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[Fabien Barthez]

EVERYONE in the MMA game knew Tito's back was bad and he'd need surgery. UFC also had the chance to pay for it when he was under contract and then refused.

Let's not make Tito out to be the bad guy here. He worked through his deal like you should and now is allowed to talk to whoever he wants about a new deal. Nothing wrong with that. These same people who bury Tito are alll still licking Randy Couture's balls and what he did was ten times worse.

Totally agree. Tito was offered a deal while he was still in the height of his drawing power, and worked through long term injury to keep his profile up, and that of UFC as well. He signed that deal with both parties knowing what we know now. Maybe UFC should have offered to help him out with the surgury, but with the bad blood and the fact that he has been outgoing in persuing alternative promotion doesn't really make me think UFC are in the wrong here, and Tito can probably afford it better than your average prelim. card journeyman.

And Randy signed a contract, then decided he wanted more money and acted like a bit of a bitch about it. Thats what contract NEGOTIATIONS are all about. He played the game wrong then cried at losing. Top bloke.

I'd never count the guy out, but I for the first time really hope he gets his arse handed to him, even if it is against Brock, who I thought was a classless asshole towards the end and just after the fight against Heath.

[Kris P Lettus]

There are talks of Gabe Gonzaga wanting to fight Lesnar in a Battle of the Beasts.. As of right now it's gonna be:

Mir vs Nog for the interim belt

Lesnar vs Couture for the number one contender spot, winner getting to fight the winner or Mir/Nog for the undisputed belt

So would Gabe get Lesnar either way or do you think he deserves a shot at the title (if Lesnar beats Randy and then Nog/Mir)??

http://www.mmafighting.com/files/images/ufc--91-poster.preview.jpg

So, are they not gonna bill the Mir/Nog fight as a championship match?? Are both this fight (Lesnar/Couture) and Mir/Nog gonna be five rounders??

[Impact!]

Nog V Mir is for the INTERIM UFC Heavyweight Championship (So yeah it will still go 5 rounds). Kinda like what Couture V Liddell was back in the day when Tito was champ but not fighting.

[Impact!]

Also that Penis Sword looks hilarious in that pic

[Kris P Lettus]

So both will be "championship" matches with the winner of each going to fight each other for the "undisputed" title, correct??

[Fabien Barthez]

Yes.

[Impact!]

Exactly (heh heh heh...Do'h)

[Fabien Barthez]

Just picked this up off tfn...

Those waiting for UFC President Dana White’s reaction to recent accusations that ProElite and EliteXC officials offered Seth Petruzelli a bonus not to take Kimbo Slice down to the ground during the main event of this past weekend’s edition of Saturday Night Fights will be pleased to know he has broken his silence.

In an interview published in the Oct. 8 edition of the Boston Herald, White did not hold back in regard to his feelings about the latest controversy involving EliteXC.

“It disgusts me,” White told the Herald. “I’ve been busting my (expletive) for 10 years flying all over the planet to show everybody what a great sport this is and what amazing people are involved in it. Then CBS throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us, and he gets knocked out in (14) seconds by a guy who didn’t win ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ and couldn’t fight in the UFC. Then the guy turns around the next day and says, ‘The promoters actually paid me to not go to the ground with this guy. They paid me to stand up,’ which I’m pretty sure is illegal.”

White didn’t stop there, as he expressed scorn for a promotion that has built itself around a former YouTube street fighting sensation.

“(Slice is) a joke,” the Herald quotes White as saying. “It was bound to happen. These guys have lost $60 million trying to get this thing off the ground. They’re building their promotion around a guy who can’t fight. It’s kind of (expletive) stupid, isn’t it? You’re in the fight business and you’re building your business around a guy who can’t fight.”


Usual outspoken, but fully justified Dana IMO. I think it also reinforces the promotion cometition argument. fact is, UFC have spent a decade laying the groundwork in making this sport globally mainstream, and everyone else is just trying to cash in on UFC's labour, and he is right to feel insulted that companies like EXC come and promote shows with fighters who just aren't good enough to make the grade in UFC.

I don't think there is anyway of clarifying if they really have lost as much (or maybe as little) as 60m, but if Kimbo clears half a million a time, and that show is the demonstration of their progression, they are truely fucking up. its like 1st and 2nd division...

[Kris P Lettus]

Elite XC has been bad since the beginning.. Had they spent that money getting real fighters like Fedor and Arlovski, they could have actually competed with UFC.. Instead they blew their whole wad on women's fights and Kimbo.. Kimbo getting KO'd by Seth was the absolute worst possible scenario for them.. I mean, if Shamrock, Thompson, Tank Abbott, and even Mercer had caught him, they could've chalked it up to lack of pro fight experience, but to a cross dressing UFC reject, horrible..

[Impact!]

tbh I'm kinda hoping they put Shamrock V Shamrock on the next show...

[Kris P Lettus]

I heard that before the card on Saturday night, that Frank wanted to fight Kimbo after finding out Ken couldn't, with like 2 hours notice..

It's funny cause if they had made it Kimbo/Frank, then even if he had lost, it would have been to a legend.. They obv thought Kimbo couldn't hang with Frank..

That being said, Frank would destroy Ken..

[Rob]

Seriously, do you read this thread? :D

I mentioned the Frank Shamrock thing on Saturday leading up to the show and the heavyweight title situation was discussed ages ago.

[Kris P Lettus]

This thread might have been where I heard it..

:roll:

I remember talking to you about the title situation but I didn't realize they were still selling Coutture as the Champ.. I thought that the fight between him and Lesnar was gonna be just a three round number one contender type match until I saw that poster..

:$

[Fabien Barthez]

Frank hadn't had a medical with the Ath Commission in a really long time, so it just wasn't possible.

Has the world's least dangerous man made a statement or given an interview about dropping out yet? I've not seen anything.

[Kris P Lettus]

I haven't even seen a pic of the supposed cut..

In hind sight, they should have let Arlovski fight Kimbo.. It was kinda win/win cause if Arlovski won, he would be "back" to his old form and Kimbo would've lost to a former UFC HW Champ.. While if Arlovski lost, he got beaten by the "phenom" Kimbo.. Let Petruzelli fight Big Country..

[Innovator]

No way would Elite XC let a former UFC Heavyweight Champ go in there against Kimbo

[Kris P Lettus]

Ken Shamrock was UFC Heavyweight Champ when he beat Severn..

:-\

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, LMFAO

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[Innovator]

Well, someone under the age of 40

Arlovski would wipe the floor with Kimbo, tell em Reav

[Kris P Lettus]

I realize that, but as I said, him getting beaten by someone like Arlovski or Frank Shamrock wouldn't have been near as devastating..

[Innovator]

No More Kings - Sweep the Leg

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[Innovator]

I realize that, but as I said, him getting beaten by someone like Arlovski or Frank Shamrock wouldn't have been near as devastating..
Well devestating for Kimbo's career no....fight would have been faster though

[Rob]

Frank hadn't had a medical with the Ath Commission in a really long time, so it just wasn't possible.

Has the world's least dangerous man made a statement or given an interview about dropping out yet? I've not seen anything.

He spoke at the start of the CBS show. He never dropped out. Let's make that clear now. The commission would not let him fight. Ken wanted to fight and was told he could at least 3 times that day before being told no for 100%.

I haven't even seen a pic of the supposed cut..

In hind sight, they should have let Arlovski fight Kimbo..

1 - Not a supposed cut. It's totally legit. Only thing Ken Shamrock could have done was get it cleaned and glued it shut and tried to keep it secret.

2 - The commission would have never allowed Kimbo vs. Arlovski and Arlovski had a big enough fight anyway.

[Kris P Lettus]

Mr. Belding all up in that music video..

:love:

[Fabien Barthez]

And the commission wouldn't let him fight because he already got 4 fat stiches in it right? Or thats what i've been lead to believe.... I'm not toally sure on that.

You know, why would a man who has been fighting for like, 20 years, and weighs 206 fully clothed for his fight against Kimbo choose to go and get it stiched, and then go to the commission with a booboo, rather than use the oldest, (and most effective in the situation) trick in the book?

That is why I question it all.

And the weigh in was the most stupid thing i've ever seen.

[Fabien Barthez]

And also... Andrei would be mad to have taken it, even though the offer wasn't there. I mean, he trained to fight a specific guy. It would suprised me if he has ever even bothered his arse to watch Tank Slice show him absolutely nothing he would ever have to know unless he was fighting him..

[Rob]

And the commission wouldn't let him fight because he already got 4 fat stiches in it right? Or thats what i've been lead to believe.... I'm not toally sure on that.

You know, why would a man who has been fighting for like, 20 years, and weighs 206 fully clothed for his fight against Kimbo choose to go and get it stiched, and then go to the commission with a booboo, rather than use the oldest, (and most effective in the situation) trick in the book?

That is why I question it all.

And the weigh in was the most stupid thing i've ever seen.

Anyone thinking Ken Shamrock chickened out is insane. He trained for months and had every chance of beating Kimbo on national TV in a make or break fight and he was gonna make huge money. He has fought better guys who were going to guaranteed smash him (Tito Ortiz for example) and he showed up and in wicked shape.

Seriously, when you're panicking, you don't think straight. He probably didn't even think about glue until it was brought up on TV. And even if he did glue it, if the commission spotted it then it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[Rob]

My Sky+ failed yet again to record The Ultimate Fighter.

[Fabien Barthez]

I bet if it was on Sky Sports it would have worked..

[Rob]

I'm actually embarrassed to be an MMA fan after that show. Dana White just came off like the biggest fucking hypocrite of all time. He looked like a bigger retard than Shane and Junie. Absolutely no excuses for not kicking both of those motherfuckers off the show immediately.

[Kris P Lettus]

My Sky+ failed yet again to record The Ultimate Fighter.

Ep 4

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[Kris P Lettus]

Just watched it and yeah Junie is a complete and total douchebag.. Efrain is the man and Krystov or how ever you spell his name is like a calm version of Jardine..

I love hearing Nog coaching from outside the cage.. I love that f'n guy..

[Kris P Lettus]

lol I didn't read past your bitching about your Tivo post until after I posted the vid and watched it..

Oh well..

[Kris P Lettus]

Former WWE Champion Bobby Lashley has officially signed and joined American Top Team.

Bobby started training with us a week ago and decided this is where he needed to be to take the next step in his burgeoning MMA career. Bobby comes to us with a great background in amateur wrestling where he was a mulitple NAIA National Wrestling Champion. Of course, most people know of him because of his time spent with the pro wrestling organization WWE and ECW.

Bobby is serious about the sport of MMA and will dedicate himself to being the best he possibly can.

We look forward to working with Bobby to bring out his full potential.

Welcome to the team!!

[Vastardikai]

Just watched it and yeah Junie is a complete and total douchebag.. Efrain is the man and Krystov or how ever you spell his name is like a calm version of Jardine..

I love hearing Nog coaching from outside the cage.. I love that f'n guy..

Nog as Coach > Mir as Coach.

Efrain had the right attitude the whole time. The "fuck with me now, because when the time comes, I'm gonna hand your ass to you" attitude. Triangle from the Top was sick and Efrain seems to be one of these guys you can coach to greatness.

Krystov is a joker, but he's level headed and I hope he goes far.

Junie can die for all I care. I compared him to the Diaz brothers (which isn't a compliment), then I realized that's an insult to Nate and Nick. Junie better get over his Napolean Complex, because I'm sure Efrain CAN beat him, too. That is, of course, if he even stays in the house long enough to fight.

[Impact!]

Apparently Dana didn't kick Junie off the show because the other housemates agreed to antaganise him to get him kicked off the show (this conversation was un-aired)

[Fabien Barthez]

The guy is the biggest fucking dick ever though. You can't blame them. I bet Dana is hoping he gets slapped out in the Semi's so they can use him for ratings, but not have the little piece of shit working for them in the end of it all.

[Kris P Lettus]

Since Kimbo is ruined, I'm hearing rumors that Elite XC has found two more backyard brawling beasts to help fill their cards..

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/chupacabrav2/OldFight.gif

[Rob]

Apparently Dana didn't kick Junie off the show because the other housemates agreed to antaganise him to get him kicked off the show (this conversation was un-aired)

So what if they did? That's no excuse. And who asked him to open his mouth after Efren's fight and jump the cage to get to him?

[Kris P Lettus]

That's the part I didn't get.. I mean, getting drunk and being an asshole is one thing, but to then get up in a guys face right after a fight, in front of athletic commission guys, judges, and your boss who just gave you a second chance was retarded and I hope they do kick him off..

[Impact!]

Not argueing (sp) the point (imo he should get kicked off...though I wouldn't mind seeing someone kick the shit outa him first) but as I said supposebly that's the reason...though it's almost certainly for rating value more than anything...

[Kris P Lettus]

http://a919.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/l_9b8e24dafb158480f021b0ab143e7866.gif

http://a388.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_226954d0f2e20248e6701a1b1fbc4f9b.gif

[Kris P Lettus]

http://blacksportsonline.com/index/kimbokid.jpg

That is Kimbo's wife/baby's mama..

Why couldn't he pull one of those realitykings bitches??

[Reavant]

And the commission wouldn't let him fight because he already got 4 fat stiches in it right? Or thats what i've been lead to believe.... I'm not toally sure on that.

You know, why would a man who has been fighting for like, 20 years, and weighs 206 fully clothed for his fight against Kimbo choose to go and get it stiched, and then go to the commission with a booboo, rather than use the oldest, (and most effective in the situation) trick in the book?

That is why I question it all.

And the weigh in was the most stupid thing i've ever seen.

The docs check you before you come out to the ring. You could use all the glue in the world and it would still clearly be a fresh cut. Thats why guys that say they cant close their hands when the punch because they broke it while training are full of shit because the docs check that specifically.

Its not that the organizations or commissions really care about the fighters safety like they say but rather if they let a guy in the ring with a fresh cut and something really bad happens to him because of the cut, then they are liable for it and everyone in attendance and watching on the tv are witness to it. that would be killer for elite xc.

Also Shamrock is actually a big man. Hes much heavier than 205.

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, using all the glue in the world would make it stand out a bit. A subtle amount was more what I had in mind :p

In truth though, it was pretty obvious due to where it was, but Tyson, for instance got both of his eyes glued before his Lewis fight, so it was surely worth a go?

Ken weighed in at 206.5 the day before the fight, fully clothed, and he had no reason in the world to cut weight.

[Kris P Lettus]

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:love:

[Fabien Barthez]

Did Gary Shaw ACTUALLY say that?

[Kris P Lettus]

Yes..

Mmabay has learned from a source working close with the UFC that an extra special event is being planned for their 100th show, which has been lined up for July 4th weekend in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Speaking to a contact, that we can not divulge, the UFC are planning the blockbuster event to take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena and could involve EVERY UFC title belt in a night of the champions.

With the likes of B.J. Penn, George St. Pierre and Anderson Silva currently dominating their respective weight classes it is more than likely that such superstars could make the truly historical card.

By Michael Pepper.

It is Michael Pepper, but lets hope this one is true..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, Pepper reported that Bobby Southworth is gonna fight Babalu for the Strikeforce title..

[Fabien Barthez]

Yes..



It is Michael Pepper, but lets hope this one is true..

UFC 97, 8 and 9 aren't likely to be to stacked if that is the case...

I guarentee one of them will be in England, and headlined by Bisping. Because he is our favourite fighter you know, and the main reason MMA is getting over in England.

:shifty:

[Fabien Barthez]

Question... (apart from the Gary Shaw one i'd like an answer to..)

Where does anyone here think has the most accurate MMA rankings on the internet?

[Kris P Lettus]

I was thinking the same thing, but a guy like Forrest Griffin wouldn't be scared to fight twice in 60 or 90 days..

I mean alot of these guys used to fight multiple times in one night..