MMA Thread

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Anthony Torres Vs. Jess Liaudin
Naoyuki Kotani Vs. Dennis Siver
Tomasz Drwal Vs. Thiago Silva
Gleison Tibau Vs. Terry Etim
Houston Alexander Vs. Alessio Sakara
Marcus Davis Vs. Paul Taylor
Mirko Cro Cop Vs. Cheick Kongo
Matt Hamill Vs. Michael Bisping
Quinton Jackson Vs. Dan Henderson

Going with Dan but I could easily see Quinton getting the W at the same time.

[Innovator]

Rampage/Hendo is a toss-up, can't wait for it

[Danny Electric]

I just watched this on setanta in the uk

i wont post results.

[Rob]

I just came back from the show. Conned my way from a £50 nosebleed seat to a Row AA ringside floor seat along side the press. Met Brandon Vera and Ross Pointon. Oh yeah, Cro Cop is the biggest waste of space in the company. I'll need to see the tape to see if Hamill did anything other than a few takedowns with zero follow up against Bisping. And that main event sure dragged in the building.

Davis vs. Taylor is easy match of the night.

[Danny Electric]

I just came back from the show. Conned my way from a £50 nosebleed seat to a Row AA ringside floor seat along side the press. Met Brandon Vera and Ross Pointon. Oh yeah, Cro Cop is the biggest waste of space in the company. I'll need to see the tape to see if Hamill did anything other than a few takedowns with zero follow up against Bisping. And that main event sure dragged in the building.

Davis vs. Taylor is easy match of the night.


Pointon came across as quite big headed on the ultimate fighter, what is he like in real life.

I agree that Cro Cop was terrible but from watching on TV i thought that bisping was lucky to win.

Great comeback from Davis, wanted taylor to win being a local lad.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hey guys, howe about not spoiling this for the American fans eh??

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, they are showing Forrest Vs Tito on Spike right now.. Awesome fight..

[Danny Electric]

Hey guys, howe about not spoiling this for the American fan eh??

sorry dude, my bad

[Kris P Lettus]

Fuck Rob, I really can't believe you just did that..

Fuck..

[Kris P Lettus]

sorry dude, my bad

I am sitting here watching a two year old fight waiting on the show..

Kinda sucks knowing the outcome before it's even been aired..

[McLegend]

WOW I avoided spoilers the whole fuckin day.

Me thinking espn.com wouldn't spoil the PPV I deiced to click on the MMA headline, and low behold they went a head and spoiled it. FUCK THEM

Also I didn't read Rob's post.

I'm really pissed right now though. I saw this with 5 mintues before the show too.

FUCK

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn..

[Danny Electric]

honestly thought you guys would have got it live
sorry

[Kris P Lettus]

No..

It is coming on RIGHT NOW..

:(

It's all good, just frustrating..

[Danny Electric]

:(

[Y2Ant]

Haha now you know what it was like for us lot for so many years with wrestling and other live sports on tape delay and shit, take it like a man you pansy :foc:

I don't even know who won either hahaha (tried to watch it at work but Setanta was locked :mad: )

[Kris P Lettus]

:wavesad:

[Kris P Lettus]

So far Houston Alexander KO'd Alessio Sakara in 1:01 of the first round..

Marcus Davis won in the first via armbar..

[McLegend]

Lol Yves Lanvigne or whatever his name is loves seeing people get beat up.

Houston Alexander fight shouldn't have went that long on the ground. The English guy should have won the fight went Marcus Davis went limp on the ground

Terribe Ref

[Rob]

If you logged on to the internet for a show that already happened then it's your own fault. I didn't even post all the fight results when I could, and should have. All this spoiler shit is just that. Stay offline for half a day if it bothers you.

[Rob]

Pointon came across as quite big headed on the ultimate fighter, what is he like in real life.

I agree that Cro Cop was terrible but from watching on TV i thought that bisping was lucky to win.

Great comeback from Davis, wanted taylor to win being a local lad.

Pointon was in the halls with all the fans. Seemed ok. Vera seems like a very cool dude though. Dunno why this surprised me. I saw Huerta too but I didn't even click that was him.

I thought Hammill won live but I've watched it on TV since and think the 2nd and 3rd rounds are close enough that it's not a robbery or anything. I can see why they gave Bisping the decision because Hammill did 2 takedowns in each round and then was out boxed convincingly.

I thought Davis was dead but it was a hell of a comeback. Great little fight.

[Kris P Lettus]

What the fuck ever..

You are saying that every American fan, which last time I checked was the primary market for UFC, can't discuss an event just because two people have already seen it??

It's a common courtesy, not only with sporting events but movies, etc..

[Rob]

No. Discuss whatever you like. Just don't cry when others discuss stuff you don't wanna see. Well unless you are gonna not post about The Ultimate Fighter for 5 days until it airs in England or the PPVs that air 1-2 days later. You won't. So let's not be a baby about it. As for movies, if I didn't want say The Bourne Ultimatium spoiled, I would avoid reading any thread that could possibly have the ending in it. Don't make this America vs. Britain either.

[Kris P Lettus]

See the difference in me posting about the Ultimate Fighter is, if you, someone I respect, and enjoy posting with asked, I would mark every spoiler.. Same thing I do when discussing movies still out out the theater or Raw, when I use to watch wrestling..

It's fine if you and Danny want to discuss it but is it that hard to type "SPOILER" before the post??

[McLegend]

So I guess Gonzaga took CroCop's warrior spirit?

[Kris P Lettus]

Cro Cop has had some low points before.. Saddens me he's having one right when he comes to the UFC..

LOL @ the knee to the balls

[McLegend]

Also I wouldn't really care if it the main event was spoiled for me buy a British Tpww poster, because it's only fair since wrestling and all other shit is always spoiled for them.

But the man(espn.com) screwed me over.

[Kris P Lettus]

Truthfully, I expect a higher level of respect amongst fans than what the fans get from somewhere like ESPN..

[Rob]

See the difference in me posting about the Ultimate Fighter is, if you, someone I respect, and enjoy posting with asked, I would mark every spoiler.. Same thing I do when discussing movies still out out the theater or Raw, when I use to watch wrestling..

It's fine if you and Danny want to discuss it but is it that hard to type "SPOILER" before the post??

Not really but I don't see the point in it to be honest. I think it ceases to be a spoiler when other sites report on it including the UFC site. To be fair though, UFC isn't spoiling the U.S based site.

I didn't think mine was too bad but I'll apologise anyway. I still think people should just stay clear for a few hours though.

[Kris P Lettus]

Well, I am sitting at home, by myself watching this due to the guys I usually watch PPVs with being at work and my girl being outta town.. I just wanted to discuss it as it was happening.. As I said earlier, it's not a huge deal just kinda frustrating..

What the hell at Hammil coming out to "Born in the USA"?? LOL is he trying to play up the heel role because Bisping is a local boy??

LOL

[Rob]

Dana White picks ALL the music. Fighters sometime have suggestions but generally he picks. Hence "London Calling" twice for Bisping and it didn't get over in the slightest in fucking London.

[Kris P Lettus]

The annoucers were trying to play up that the fans were singing along..

:nono:

[Kris P Lettus]

It makes no sense that the fighters don't pick their own music..

[McLegend]

Truthfully, I expect a higher level of respect amongst fans than what the fans get from somewhere like ESPN..
Ok

[Kris P Lettus]

No way Bisping should've won that fight..

[Kris P Lettus]

Why the fuck do they keep saying commercial free??

[McLegend]

Well with UFC scoring I can see how he won. It's not like Pride where the judge the whole round. He kinda came on strong at the end of the 1st and UFC Judges love those burst fighters have.

I would have went 29-28 Hamil myself, but I can see how Bisping won.

[McLegend]

Why the fuck do they keep saying commercial free??
Commercial free during the main event

[Kris P Lettus]

Well with UFC scoring I can see how he won. It's not like Pride where the judge the whole round. He kinda came on strong at the end of the 1st and UFC Judges love those burst fighters have.

I would have went 29-28 Hamil myself, but I can see how Bisping won.

MMA shouldn't be judged on the 10 point must system..

[Kris P Lettus]

RAMPAGE

[Kris P Lettus]

Dan Henderson is the man though..

[MTH15]

I also think Hamill/Bisbing hsould be off the charts. I love UFC right now. Marcus Davis is good

[Kris P Lettus]

Gimme my chain, nigga..

[MTH15]

Time for some big black guy vs Chuck Liddel

[Kris P Lettus]

what??

[MTH15]

No my bad thats not Chuck Liddel it was showing something else. My bad.

[Kris P Lettus]

This is an awesome fight..

[Kris P Lettus]

Rampage looked outstanding.. Never seen Henderson held on his back like that.. Awesome strikes from both sides..

Great fight..

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

I f'n love that guy..

[Reavant]

UFC signed Fedor it will be announced on sat at the show.
Hi im a gullible idiot :wave:

[Reavant]

And Hammel got fucked but I dont really care

[Jamstar]

Pretty decent PPV, I thought Hamill beat Bisping in that fight so I was surprised to see the judges give Bisping the split. Was thorougly impressed with Rampage tonight, and totally thought Hendo would outclass him. Rampage showed some resilience on the ground that I never knew he had, and to keep Hendo on his back is pretty impressive.

Pretty disappointing result for Crocop, now 1-3 in the UFC. Crocop didn't look to impose his will on Kong, he just looked like a guy who was terrified as fuck to get knocked out again. Just shows what happens to a fighter mentally after getting fucking monster KO'd. He probably should've taken more time to prepare before jumping back into the octagon. Not sure where he goes now.

PS Houston is a fucking monster. He's for real.

Almost forgot, AMAZING fight for Marcus Davis tonight, as he was a millisecond from being grounded out after getting rocked, to turn the whole thing around and finish off the guy with an submission. Awesome fight.

[Mr. JL]

Hamill should have been awarded the win.

[Mercury Bullet]

1) Cro Cop has lost it. I think he needs to either hang it up or take a step back from the UFC and down to a lower level of competition.

2) I thought Hamill won that fight. I was really disappointed with Bisping's performance. True, Hamill had some nice take down and didn't do much else. BUT, Bisping really didn't do much of anything.

3) Houston Alexander is on his way to the title in the light-heavyweight division. Hopefully he does not get lost in the shuffle with all the names coming in from PRIDE. He deserves to be ranked very highly and hopefully his next match is against another high-caliber opponent where he has a chance to earn a title shot.

[Mercury Bullet]

Why the fuck do they keep saying commercial free??

Lol, yeh my friends and I had the same question. They would say it was being brought to us commercial free, and then cut to commercial. :lol:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

They did however have their first on air mention of Brock Lesnar :love:

[Mercury Bullet]

They did however have their first on air mention of Brock Lesnar :love:

True dat. Honestly I think he needs to start out in WEC though and get a few more matches in before he takes on anybody in UFC's heavyweight division right now.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I definently agree with that, I'm just excited in general. I was pretty deep in my own wrestling when I got to watch him in JuCo so it's awesome for me to see him go into MMA, which was the same route I took. Kinda brings my being a fan of his full circle for me I guess.

[Rob]

I thought Hammill won live and Bisping looked like shit. On TV, I can see a case for a 29-28 decision either way. Some are calling it a robbery and it definately wasn't. Just a close fight. Bisping needs to lose 20lbs though. 205 is too much for him against the top guys.

[RP]

I thought Hamill vs Bisping was a split decision. Hamill clearly won the first round, Bisping kinda won the 2nd round imo, but he basically just jabbed and ran, jabbed and ran. Then the 3rd round i though Bisping won, but because his 2nd round was so meh, i thought it should have been a split decision. One things for sure, we know why Bisping isnt being place in fights with the top fighters in his division. He's clearly not ready.

[Kris P Lettus]

True dat. Honestly I think he needs to start out in WEC though and get a few more matches in before he takes on anybody in UFC's heavyweight division right now.

WEC has no heavyweight division.. It focuses more on smaller fighters..

How much does Lesner weigh these days?? Cause it's a 265lbs weight limit in the US..

[MTH15]

Brock Lesner? I could imagine him in the UFC

[Kris P Lettus]

Unless he can't get down to 265lbs..

[Reavant]

he can

[Kris P Lettus]

Has he fought at that weight since like 9th grade??

[Reavant]

hes a big guy so its not that hard of a cut. plus if it gets to the point where he is too muscular and needs to lose some of it then he just needs to train differently. All that muscle really just gets in the way and slows you down when you are trying to punch guys anyway.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah but for a guy who has walked around closer to 300lbs than to 250lbs, too lose 30+ pounds is a pretty big deal..

[Kris P Lettus]

Why is this a rule anyway?? I've seen boxers fight at bigger than 265.. Even MMA fighters before it became sanctioned.. Whats the deal??

[Reavant]

i dunno what the deal is but did you just say its easier for a guy walking around at 250 to lose thirty pounds than a 300 guy?

[Kris P Lettus]

No, I'm saying the if is normal weigh is like 290, then he might lose strength etc losing that weight.. Chuck Liddell would be half the fighter he is if he lost 20 pounds to fight at 185..

[Mercury Bullet]

I'm pretty sure Brock was at 265 for his last fight

[Mercury Bullet]

Bisping needs to lose 20lbs though. 205 is too much for him against the top guys.

Yeh, I think he will be a better middleweight.

[Destor]

I cant understand how Hamill/Bisbing was anyting other than 30-27 Hamill. MAYBE a 29-28 Hamill if you give him the 3rd. And that's being generous. Whatever.

[Rob]

In the 2nd and 3rd, Hammill pretty much only did 2 takedowns with no follow up attacks. I thought he won but I could see why he lost a decision.

[Danny Electric]

It wasn't a robbery and I can kinda see why Bisping won, I was expecting him to take out Hammill because he kept putting his guard down.

[Reavant]

No, I'm saying the if is normal weigh is like 290, then he might lose strength etc losing that weight.. Chuck Liddell would be half the fighter he is if he lost 20 pounds to fight at 185..
Well, Thw bigger you are, the more water weight you retain. So a 300 lb guy no matter how much fat he has on could prolly lose a real big amount of water weight. Ive personally done 15 lbs in a week before. Now even if you look at him in the WWE he wasnt completely riped. He has it to lose as odd as that sounds.

Also it would probably benefit him to lose some muscle mass if he wants to be able to hang with strikers that have takedown defense. That muscle is great in terms of grappling but It will slow him down while throwing a punch.

Also it would again benefit him to lose some muscle mass because he will be in better shape. All that big muscle he has eats up his oxygen supply and will tire him out a lot if he is in a fight that goes the distance.

[Stickman]

Cro Cop looks very very one dimensional

[Mercury Bullet]

Cro Cop looks very very one dimensional

Yeh, he's gotten to where if he can't hit you with a big kick to the face, he can't beat you at anything else.

[Kris P Lettus]

Nah.. I think its more about him getting KOd a few times and not controlling like he use to..

[Apocolyptik1]

Was a cool card, I did only pick one fight though. I got the Marcus Davis by submission, almost shit myself though when he took that head kick and dropped. Great job by him though on recovering.

I also felt Hamill won the fight 29-28. I felt he won the first 2 rounds and then had a lack luster 3rd round (although to be fair, they both had a lack luster 3rd round). I was impressed by how he went out and stalked Bisping down and choose to stand with Bisping instead of relying on his wrestling. The biggest thing that showed though is that Bisping will not do well against the top 205 because he is to small for his division. He needs to make a move to middleweight quick. He has been talking about it a lot in recent interviews I have seen of him, so hopefully with this last fight it will be enough to push him to do that.

Quit hating on Mirko. The guy's career isnt "done". He had a bad fight and will continue to have bad fights as long as he stays in the heavyweight division in the UFC. 205 is calling that dudes name. I thought Randy was a small heavyweight at 228, and Mirko only ways 220. Cro Cop just got outclassed by a much bigger and equally experienced kickboxer in Kongo. He would tear ass through the 205lb division.

Rampage looked good, and definetly deserves the undisputed title. He controlled Henderson much better on the ground then I thought he would. Now maybe Henderson will stop trying to fight the bigger and stronger guys and concentrate on giving the UFC's 185 division some backbone.

[Rob]

Yamasaki gave it to Bisping too.

[RP]

The reason why i would have said draw is because, even though Hamill was taking him down basically whenever. He wasnt doing anything once he got him down. Infact Bisping's guard was rather impressive. He controlled Hamills hands and survived.

The way Bisping acted in the post fight press conferences was just stupid tho. He showed he's a true dick.

[Mercury Bullet]

The way Bisping acted in the post fight press conferences was just stupid tho. He showed he's a true dick.

True dat. He acted like he dominated that fight and he most certainly did not.

[Rob]

The way Bisping acted in the post fight press conferences was just stupid tho. He showed he's a true dick.

I dunno. I know the guy who asked him the question (Oliver Copp) and he admits he did it to kinda get a reaction out of him. He also said he has spoken to him many times before and gets on well with Bisping. I think Bisping also took advantage of the bigger broadcasters not being there as well as Dana White.

[McLegend]

This last UFC show did a 3.1 in the ratings.

[Rob]

I thought it would do better. Seriously.

[Innovator]

Brock is finalizing his UFC deal

[Destor]

I was thinking, does anyone see MMA ever becoming an Olympic sport? It only seems logical. Other "combat sports" (using that term loosely) in Boxing and Wrestling are in the Olympics and with its popularity in Japan, Brazil and now state-side it only seems to be the logical progression.

Dunno, just thinking out loud.

[Kris P Lettus]

With all the media hype leading up to Rampage/Liddell I would've thought UFC'd be doing better..

[Mercury Bullet]

I was thinking, does anyone see MMA ever becoming an Olympic sport? It only seems logical. Other "combat sports" (using that term loosely) in Boxing and Wrestling are in the Olympics and with its popularity in Japan, Brazil and now state-side it only seems to be the logical progression.

Dunno, just thinking out loud.

I think it will eventually, it is a ways out from gaining enough global popularity though.

[Stickman]

I think BJJ would be an Olympic sport before MMA.

[Reavant]

how often do new sports get put into the olympics though?

[Kris P Lettus]

Not really on topic but WEC has been great lately.. I just wish they'd interview fighters and whatnot after matches so it'd be easier to "get to know" the fighters..

[Rob]

I think BJJ would be an Olympic sport before MMA.

BJJ would be great at the Olympics.

[Fignuts]

MMA won't ever be in the Olympics. It's too brutal a sport, for the demographic that market execs want to attract. Sucks, but thats how things are run these days.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

The Olympics are fucking crap anyway.

[Jordan]

MMA would make big ratings in the Olympics.

[The Naitch]

WWE should be a sport in the Olympics

[br0ken]

Cro Cop don't train hard enough. IF he wants to still be in the sport he needs to make a change. He has got to where he is becaue of his hard kick but he has nothing else. Maybe some loss in a row is good for him to make a change. Or he quits. Either way this Cro Cop is done bein sucessful

[Rob]

I dunno if Cro Cop can fight in a cage. His best attacks were when he cornered guys in the ring and closed down the space and he can't do that in a cage. Also guys have seen what you can do if you can circle to his right side - limit his left kick attacks. His ground game is miles better than Kongo's and he didn't even try and use it his advantage.

[McLegend]

lol big audio problems on ultimate fight night here

[RP]

lol yah. And Quary looks like shit. I get the feeling he's gunna get knocked out soon.

[RP]

wait wtf just happend.

[RP]

Loving Chris Lebens fighting style right now. The heel kicks to the back of the thighs and the foot stomps against the fence. Awsome stuff.

[RP]

ROFL LEBEN. Dude was going down and still throwing punches and he knocked the guy out ROFL.

[RP]

Matt Hughes will destroy Matt Serra.

[Mercury Bullet]

Leben and Martin both looked like they were in terrible shape. Leben is always in terrible shape though and looks like hes about to pass out half way through the fight. Gotta give him credit for having that explosiveness at the end though.

[Mercury Bullet]

I think Hughes is gonna swat Serra like a fly.

[Mercury Bullet]

I like Thomas and Florian okay. I kinda hope to see Din pick up the win tonight though. I'm curious to see what kind of shape he is in. If he loses tonight, he's probably about done.

[RP]

lol someone yelled " PUT'EM IN A BODY BAG !!!!"

[RP]

And Din Thomas gave up literally. That was fucking stupid. He literally just stopped fighting and waited for the ref to stop, then he let him choke him out.

[Mercury Bullet]

Looks like Din jacked up his knee

[RP]

Oh, he fucked up his knee shooting in on Florian.

[Mercury Bullet]

He shouldn't have taunted Kenny Florian and done that little shuffle or whatever back to the middle. All he did was piss him off and thats what he gets.

[Mercury Bullet]

I think they should've stripped Sherk of the Lightweight title as part of his punishment for the steroids.

Penn vs. Florian for the vacant title would be a good matchup, if Penn will stay a lightweight.

[Reavant]

sherk is still appealing the test

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And as a Sherk fan, I sincerely hope that he gets his appeal (yes, I realise he hast virtually no chance).

[Reavant]

never know... off the point but arlovski said that he is about 50-50 chance he has nog in nov

[RP]

I'm not sure what there doing with UFC 78, but as of now the only big name attached to the card is Karo Parisyan. I'm not sure what other ME there is in the works, but they moved BJ Penn to the 79 card with Serra vs Hughes. The only thing making sense to me right now is that maybe they'll give Penn the winner of the Fitch vs Sanchez match and give Karo the main event match against GSP. And then the winner of those matches decides who to face the winner of Hughes vs Serra? That would make the most sense to me atleast.

Also i've heard that Nog is getting a title shot against Couture.

[Rob]

Just for the record, are we discussing the Ultimate Fighter series here or elsewhere? Dunno if the other British guys care about the spoilers. I don't give a rats ass personally.

[Mercury Bullet]

Picks for tonight:

Wellisch vs. Junk
Stephens vs. Saraiva
Omigawa vs. Wiman
Nakamura vs. Machida
Tavares vs. T. Griffin
Fitch vs. Sanchez <--- Fight of the Night
Rua vs. F. Griffin
Liddell vs. Jardine

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Just for the record, are we discussing the Ultimate Fighter series here or elsewhere? Dunno if the other British guys care about the spoilers. I don't give a rats ass personally.

Honestly I'd prefer we start up another thread for it. Would make the discussion on that easier considering ont op of it we'll have events running too.

[Mr Regal]

Just for a giggle

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I would have kneed him in the bollocks as soon as he stepped to me....then been like "jokes on you"

[Triple A]

Is this just a discussion of UFC or should it just be named the MMA Thread so people have a place to talk about non-UFC crap?

[RP]

Need a forum you fag. Why dont you get on that.

[Triple A]

OK I'm gonna do it right now.

[RP]

Make a Tony Almeida forum too.

[RP]

WOWWWWW

Griffin beat Shogun badly. Wasnt really even close. I'm kinda stunned and i really dont understand why Shogun was given Griffin as his first fight. Really a bad business move.

[Reavant]

I knew fitch would beat sanchez but i would have never dreamed of forrest submitting rua and liddel losing

[McLegend]

That PPV was pretty hot

[Innovator]

Fitch/Diego was a great mat fight, Diego's scramble is pretty crazy

and why the fuck didn't Chuck do anything about the leg kicks? He was going through the motions out there

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Honestly I don't think Forest/Shogun was a bad business move. Dana just solidified his baby (TUF) and probably just locked up millions in advertising for it. Sure, Shogan - a huge name - lost, but he just made Forest and TUF legit.

[Crimson]

TUF was already pretty legit though..hopefully Rua isn't another CroCop. Im pissed I missed the ppv though..was it pretty good?

And wtf @ Jardine winning

[Kris P Lettus]

Just for a giggle

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I would have kneed him in the bollocks as soon as he stepped to me....then been like "jokes on you"

LOL

I f'n knew Bas set that shit up as soon as I saw him on camera..

:love:

[Mercury Bullet]

That really was a great PPV and two totally stunning upsets. Griffin finally lived up to his hype in that fight, in my eyes.

[Kris P Lettus]

I bet money that Liddell will take a sebatical ala Couture and come back in a year or so to dominate..

:wavesad:

:heart: Forrest

[The Naitch]

Liddell who?

[Jordan]

WHYYYY! Chuck! NO! I CANT TAKE IT

[Kris P Lettus]

That really was a great PPV and two totally stunning upsets. Griffin finally lived up to his hype in that fight, in my eyes.

WTF are you smoking??

"finally lived up to his hype"??

WTF

He has been the man since first coming onto The Ultimate Fighter.. I mean, fuck, he's only ever lost to Dan Severn, Jeremy Horn, Tito Ortiz, and Keith Jardine.. The only one you could say was an upset is Jardine who beat the most dominant LHW Champion if the past five years last night.. Every fight he's had has been uber entertaining and he's beaten some great fighters..

So explain how he hasn't "lived up to his hype"??

p.s. Joe Roggan was on Ferrell on Howward Stern's channel on Sirius yesterday and a caller asked him about Brock Lesner.. He said they went to dinner recently and said Lesner is a "gorrilla".. He (Rogan) also said Lesner weighs atleast a "solid 290lbs".. But he also said he is close to signing so this brings me back to the question of his weight.. How can he fight in the US at close to 300lbs??

:dunno:

[Mercury Bullet]

I bet money that Liddell will take a sebatical ala Couture and come back in a year or so to dominate.

I think he really needs to take a lot of time off to retrain and rethink his fight strategy.

Is that fight with Silva inked in and contracted for December or is it just a proposition still? He really doesn't need to be fighting The Axe Murderer right now. It would be a good comeback fight in a year or so, though.

[Mercury Bullet]

He's been entertaining, yes. But he has been typically regarded as one of the best fighters in the UFC for A LONG time. And quite frankly, he has been nowhere near the top level of the UFC. He's been one of the most overrated fighters. He's looked bad in victory and in defeat (see the second Griffin/Bonner fight). He looked okay against Tito.

He just hasn't fought anywhere near the hype that he gets from people. BUT, I really believe last night totally changed that. He came out and dominated the "#1 Lightheavyweight" in the world. Dominated. And he definately deserves his praise and to be hailed among the elite now.

[The Naitch]

I wonder what kind of moniker they'll give Lesnar

I forget he has that sword tattoo on his chest

[Kris P Lettus]

He came out and dominated the "#1 Lightheavyweight" in the world. Dominated.

He did not beat Rampage Jackson..

[RP]

He did not beat Rampage Jackson..


rampage wasnt #1. Shogun was #1. It wasnt really an argument. Now Rampage is probably #1.

[Reavant]

p.s. Joe Roggan was on Ferrell on Howward Stern's channel on Sirius yesterday and a caller asked him about Brock Lesner.. He said they went to dinner recently and said Lesner is a "gorrilla".. He (Rogan) also said Lesner weighs atleast a "solid 290lbs".. But he also said he is close to signing so this brings me back to the question of his weight.. How can he fight in the US at close to 300lbs??

:dunno:
someone like joe rogan talking about lesnar isnt really that good a gauge on solid since he saw him with clothes on and he was probably intimidated. I gaurantee you lesnar isnt shredded right now in terms of physique and even if he was he could easily lose the weight just from water weight.

[Kris P Lettus]

How was Shogun number one when Dan Henderson was the Pride LHW Champion and the UFC LHW Champion Rampage beat him to unify the titles??

How was he the best when he wasn't the champion of either of the two biggest promotions in the world??

[Reavant]

Nope Wanderlei is #1

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I've got to say, last night really wrecked the rankings last night. I'd honestly say that I couldn't tell you who the number one contender to Page is now.... I wish they could do a Gran Prix

[Reavant]

How was Shogun number one when Dan Henderson was the Pride LHW Champion and the UFC LHW Champion Rampage beat him to unify the titles??

How was he the best when he wasn't the champion??
cuz shogun won the 205 GP by murdering rampage and shogun never got a chance to fight for the title cuz wanderlei was champ and right after dan took the belt, pride shut down.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I can't wait fro Brock. :love: I'd really love to watch and see him evolve.

[Reavant]

I've got to say, last night really wrecked the rankings last night. I'd honestly say that I couldn't tell you who the number one contender to Page is now.... I wish they could do a Gran Prix
dont worry sherdog will still rank shogun #1 and liddel #3

[Reavant]

brock would murder some people

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Brock is a monster, there's no question about that. I'm just excited as a fan from him am wrestling days. I was wrestling still (before I went to MMA myself years ago) and was a huge fan of his and looked at him as a motivator. Now it's going to be cool for me, someone already doing MMA (obviously not to the scale he is) to watch him evolve into it.

[Kris P Lettus]

cuz shogun won the 205 GP by murdering rampage and shogun never got a chance to fight for the title cuz wanderlei was champ and right after dan took the belt, pride shut down.

He beat Rampage two years ago.. Rampage's style has changed alot since then.. His disipline and ground game are much more solid..

This is like people saying the Pats shouldn't have won a Super Bowl because they prolly wouldve lost to the Raiders if they hadn't changed the "not uck" rule.. Bottom line is, Pats won that game and then went on to win the Superbowl..

Same thing, Shogun never got a chance to fight Henderson, but how can you be so sure he would've beat him?? There no way to tell, but calling him the number one, just because of "what if's" is retarded..

Rampage is the number one LHW in the world right now.. That's why he called the "undisputed Light Heavy Weight Champion of the World".. You guy sure are disputing it though..

[RP]

How was Shogun number one when Dan Henderson was the Pride LHW Champion and the UFC LHW Champion Rampage beat him to unify the titles??

How was he the best when he wasn't the champion of either of the two biggest promotions in the world??


Same reason Fedor is the best fighter in the world.

Titles dont mean shit. Shogun was widely reguarded as the best MMA lightweight and he had the victories to back it up. Plus he made Rampage his bitch.

[Kris P Lettus]

So he is because of popular opinion?? What victories?? Shit the only fighters of worth he's beaten since Rampage are Arona and Kevin Randleman, but Mark Coleman also broke his arm in the time so that's not saying much..

[Mercury Bullet]

Thats why I used quotation marks. Do I think he was the top LHW in the world? Probably not, it should have been Henderson or Jackson. And obviously he isn't now. But the fact of the matter is that most independent organizations ranked Shogun as the top LHW in the world.

[Mercury Bullet]

And for the record, I'm pretty sure Jackson will be unanimous #1 now.

I would imagine the rankings to look something like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Wanderlei Silva
#3. Forrest Griffin
#4. Dan Henderson
#5. Keith Jardine
#6. Mauricio Rua
#7. Chuck Liddell
#8. Alexander Houston/Houston Alexander
#9. Tito Ortiz
#10. Rashad Evans

I think Forrest deserves a title shot after such a dominating victory last night.

[Crimson]

Great division. So is Rampage fighting Silva next or what?

Did you switch #8's name on purpose?

But if not Silva then yes, Forrest should get it

[Mercury Bullet]

Did you switch #8's name on purpose?


:lol: , no but I get that mixed up because he could have either two first names, or two last names. Nice catch.

[Vastardikai]

From the last UFC, I had some pointless observations:

1. Is Tyson Griffin double-jointed? Seriously, he may have the best submission defense in the world. I also have yet to see him have a bad fight.

2. Nakamura kind of disappointed me. I expected a better fight. Then again, when I saw that the other guy was versed in Shotokan, I was drunk enough to suggest that he should go for a Dragon Punch.

3. John Fitch with the Emerald Frosion! The guy who sat behind me said "That move didn't do shit, but it sure did look cool." As did the Stunner-like escape from the Rear Naked.

4. Speaking of Rear Nakeds, who was more surprised: The crowd that Forrest beat Shogun, or Forrest that he actually scored a Submission. I am one of the few people who don't care for Griffin, but I was impressed.

5. Me and my buddies were joking that Jardine would win a very pro-Liddell environment. We didn't know it would actually happen.

[Kris P Lettus]

And for the record, I'm pretty sure Jackson will be unanimous #1 now.

I would imagine the rankings to look something like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Wanderlei Silva
#3. Forrest Griffin
#4. Dan Henderson
#5. Keith Jardine
#6. Mauricio Rua
#7. Chuck Liddell
#8. Alexander Houston/Houston Alexander
#9. Tito Ortiz
#10. Rashad Evans

I think Forrest deserves a title shot after such a dominating victory last night.

How would put Wanderlei at number two?? I mean, he lost to Cro Cop and Henderson his last two fights..

I am going to call you "fart" from now on b/c you seem to do nothing but talk out of your ass..

[Mercury Bullet]

Because he is a major signing for the UFC and they are going to hype him and push him as much as possible, just like they did with Cro Cop.

What was Rampage doing in Pride before he came to UFC and got an instant title shot? Hmm?

Now if I were to be ranking them, my personal ranking would look more like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Forrest Griffin
#3. Houston Alexander
#4. Keith Jardine
#5. Wanderlei Silva

And I don't think I would even bother ranking beyond that.

[Kris P Lettus]

Uhhh, he didn't get an instant title shot..

[Mercury Bullet]

Oh yeh, excuse me. He got vengeance over Eastman first. Because Eastman was a top contender before Rampage went over him. Rampage must have taken his pending title opportunity. :roll:

[Jamstar]

I'm pretty bummed out that Liddell lost last night :(

[Crimson]

The hell with Ortiz/Evans rematch I wanna see them both take on different people. Ortiz/Jardine. Evans/Shogun..or whatever other combination there is seeing as it is a deep class.

[Stickman]

I'm pretty bummed out that Liddell lost last night :(

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh yeh, excuse me. He got vengeance over Eastman first. Because Eastman was a top contender before Rampage went over him. Rampage must have taken his pending title opportunity. :roll:

Alexander was "fed" to Jardine before he was gonna get a title shot and we all know how that turned out..

[Rob]

Is this just a discussion of UFC or should it just be named the MMA Thread so people have a place to talk about non-UFC crap?

Remember when I told you years ago about how huge MMA was gonna be and you should add it to the site and you laughed and said no?

[Reavant]

He beat Rampage two years ago.. Rampage's style has changed alot since then.. His disipline and ground game are much more solid..

This is like people saying the Pats shouldn't have won a Super Bowl because they prolly wouldve lost to the Raiders if they hadn't changed the "not uck" rule.. Bottom line is, Pats won that game and then went on to win the Superbowl..

Same thing, Shogun never got a chance to fight Henderson, but how can you be so sure he would've beat him?? There no way to tell, but calling him the number one, just because of "what if's" is retarded..

Rampage is the number one LHW in the world right now.. That's why he called the "undisputed Light Heavy Weight Champion of the World".. You guy sure are disputing it though..

oh my god... ok listen we all know how much you want page's cock in your mouth, but calm the fuck down. you wanted to know why shogun was ranked #1 and I told you. That was the whole reason he was ranked #1. Right there. It was irrelevant to how rampage had improoved because shogun hadnt fought in a while. Its just like Fedor's #1 ranking right now.

[Reavant]

And for the record, I'm pretty sure Jackson will be unanimous #1 now.

I would imagine the rankings to look something like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Wanderlei Silva
#3. Forrest Griffin
#4. Dan Henderson
#5. Keith Jardine
#6. Mauricio Rua
#7. Chuck Liddell
#8. Alexander Houston/Houston Alexander
#9. Tito Ortiz
#10. Rashad Evans

I think Forrest deserves a title shot after such a dominating victory last night.

just so everyone knows, I like forrest, and I dont really like jardine. buuuuuut you need to switch their places. Jardine KOed forrest. Forrest had his first glimps of an A-level performance of his life against shogun. Forrest doesnt deserve shit till he beats jardine. same can be said about jardine and alexander, but alexander needs to proove himself more as crazy as that sounds. One or two more knock outs like hes had and then him and jardine need to fight again, but until that time jardine is #3 and forrest is #5

[Reavant]

How would put Wanderlei at number two?? I mean, he lost to Cro Cop and Henderson his last two fights..

I am going to call you "fart" from now on b/c you seem to do nothing but talk out of your ass..
are you seriously gonna use the he got KOed by cro cop argument? anyone who takes a strait shot to the head from a cro cop left high kick will not walk away from it not to mention cro cop is a heavyweight. and he fought hendo in too short of time after that KO from cro cop. Wand was out for 4 min from hendo. you cant tell me hendo has that kind of power... its from wand's previous KO. Wand is going to have 9 months of rest from his last fight, the longest hes ever gone without fighting. He owned a title in pride for about 4 years maybe longer. Until he comes into UFC and chokes, he is the number 2 205 in the world.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The light heavyweight division is crazy, there's so many fights to be had.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hot garbage..

The Saints are the number 1 team in the NFC b/c they should have won the NFC Championship and if they had they wouldve beaten the Colts.. Ignore the fact that we are currently 0-2..

Yeah, thats the same argument you're using..

[Reavant]

oh yea i guess your right.... other than the fact your compairing someone who has held a title for like 4 or 5 years compaired to a team that had its first winning season like ever. Its a little different when one has prooven himself.

[Reavant]

you must really not want rampage to fight wanderlei.... i couldnt imagine why

[Mercury Bullet]

just so everyone knows, I like forrest, and I dont really like jardine. buuuuuut you need to switch their places. Jardine KOed forrest. Forrest had his first glimps of an A-level performance of his life against shogun. Forrest doesnt deserve shit till he beats jardine. same can be said about jardine and alexander, but alexander needs to proove himself more as crazy as that sounds. One or two more knock outs like hes had and then him and jardine need to fight again, but until that time jardine is #3 and forrest is #5

Alexander KO'ing a guy who picked apart Chuck Liddell wasn't proof? :lol: I agree though, he has one victory over a semi-marquee opponent. He needs one more name in the win column I think to justify a title shot.

With all the upsets in the LHW division it makes ranking anybody very difficult.

[Mercury Bullet]

Hot garbage..

The Saints are the number 1 team in the NFC b/c they should have won the NFC Championship and if they had they wouldve beaten the Colts.. Ignore the fact that we are currently 0-2..

Yeah, thats the same argument you're using..

Football operates seasonally. Every season is a new year, new record. MMA doesn't work that way, it isn't a seasonal sport. Bad analogy that doesn't add up.

[Kris P Lettus]

I juts don't see how y'all can judge fighters on anything other than their latests preformances..

Even with how yall are doing it, why is Liddell not in the top 5??

[Stickman]

I dont' think Liddell looked as bad as some people make it out. I love how when a fighter loses he needs to retire.

[Mercury Bullet]

Liddell didn't look terrible, but I think he needs time off to refocus and retrain to get back into the upper-tier. As for why I wouldnt put him in the top 5, or why I don't think most others would put him in the top 5 is because the LHW division is WAY too crowded to give Liddell a top 5 spot just for being Chuck Liddell. He lost. He lost a very important fight between two guys on the fringe of the title scene.

My top 5 for example:
#1. Quinton Jackson - Winner, Current Title Holder
#2. Forrest Griffin - Winner, defeated consensus #1 in the world
#3. Houston Alexander - Winner, unproven but has looked unbelievably dominant, the likes of which we haven't even really seen before
#4. Keith Jardine - Winner, defeated the 'face' of UFC
#5. Wanderlei Silva - Struggled recently in PRIDE, is coming off a long layoff, MUCH hype around his UFC debut

So, Silva is the only one with a question mark by him. You could stretch that to Houston Alexander I suppose. I think that is a pretty justified top 5.

[Mercury Bullet]

This is the top 10 as I think most organizations will perceive it:
#1. Quinton Jackson - Undisputed Champion
#2. Wanderlei Silva - Former Elite Fighter, Long Layoff, Highly Anticipated Return
#3. Forrest Griffin - Knocked off #1 in the world, Fan favorite, TUF winner
#4. Dan Henderson - Competitive loss to Undisputed Champ
#5. Keith Jardine - Win over biggest name in MMA (to the casual fan)
#6. Mauricio Rua - Loss, but will remain highly ranked until defeated again
#7. Chuck Liddell - Will stay in the top 10 until he retires or loses to a lower-tier opponent
#8. Houston Alexander -Dominant but unproven
#9. Tito Ortiz - No longer in his prime, important rematch coming up that will likely decide much of his future
#10. Rashad Evans - Unproven, needs a win over Tito to move up anytime soon

[HeartBreakMan2k]

For me I think it breaks down like this. I don't include have Jardine higher in this because honestly, he's still the same fighter who went to a split decision with Stephen, he beat Chuck through a decision but so what, one fight doesn't do it for me.

1. Quinton Jackson - Undisputed Champ, that's it period
2. Wanderlei Silva - Top tier fighter, returning from a break
3. Dan Henderson - Lost to Rampage, but still up there
4. Forest Griffin - Incredibly impressive
5. Shogun - Again, with the division as tight as it is, one loss I don't think drops you that far, especially in a competitive match up.
6. Ryoto Machida
7. Chuck Liddell - Still top 10 without question
8. Houston Alexander - Two dominating wins
9. Keith Jardine - Huge win over Chuck
10. Tito/Rashad - They need the rematch to figure out who's top 10.

Also if Arona comes to the UFC that shifts numbers 5 and below down and he comes in at number 5 easily.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Also though guys, the welterweight division isn't the cleanest thing right now either. Where do you guys see the top 10 there?

For me:

1. Matt Serra (I don't actually consider him top five in terms of talent, but the champion will always rank number 1 from me)
2. Matt Hughes (Obviously the number one contender)
3. George St Pierre
4. Karo
5. Jon Fitch
6. Kos
7. Nick Diaz
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Jake Shields
10. Marcus Davis

Also BJ if he goes back up probably sits at 6 to me, shifting everyone down.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think they should do a grand prix, cuz it'll definitely sort a lot of things out.

[Reavant]

I juts don't see how y'all can judge fighters on anything other than their latests preformances..

Even with how yall are doing it, why is Liddell not in the top 5??
well in liddels case its the way he lost. He could have done more to win and he didnt. jardine should have never beat him. so either he didnt train well enough to win or he doesnt have what it takes anymore to win. wanderlei might be over the hill too, but his losses came from getting caught with a big shot... not a decision where he let it out of his hands when he could have controlled it.

[Reavant]

This is the top 10 as I think most organizations will perceive it:
#1. Quinton Jackson - Undisputed Champion
#2. Wanderlei Silva - Former Elite Fighter, Long Layoff, Highly Anticipated Return
#3. Forrest Griffin - Knocked off #1 in the world, Fan favorite, TUF winner
#4. Dan Henderson - Competitive loss to Undisputed Champ
#5. Keith Jardine - Win over biggest name in MMA (to the casual fan)
#6. Mauricio Rua - Loss, but will remain highly ranked until defeated again
#7. Chuck Liddell - Will stay in the top 10 until he retires or loses to a lower-tier opponent
#8. Houston Alexander -Dominant but unproven
#9. Tito Ortiz - No longer in his prime, important rematch coming up that will likely decide much of his future
#10. Rashad Evans - Unproven, needs a win over Tito to move up anytime soon
I know that many websites are gonna use a ranking much like yours but i have a problem with it.

#1. Quinton Jackson - agree
#2. Wanderlei Silva - agree till he comes in and chokes... i hope thats not the case but history loves repeating itself
#3. Keith Jardine - has to be put over forrest for now at least until theres a rematch
#4. Dan Henderson - i think hes a top 3 fighter but hes not in line for a while till he gets a few more fights.
#5. Forrest Griffin - this is where forrest needs to be.
#6. Chuck Liddell - real bad loss to jardine, not cuz he was dominated but because he didnt do what he needed to do
#7. Houston Alexander -could be the mike tyson of MMA but needs to proove it
#8. Mauricio Rua - real bad loss needs to avenge it
#9. Tito Ortiz - past his prime and prolly shouldnt be in the top 10 but oh well
#10. Rashad Evans - needs to drop to 185 or put on some size, he looks way too small and hes not strong enough to hang in my opinion.

[Dave Youell]

Just watched the Griffin fight last night, FUUUUUCCCCCKKK!

That was a hell fo a cut he got. Still I love the guy, he's like the closest thing UFC have to Rocky.

Give him a shot now, the buy rates would be tremendous, I think Rampage would beat him, but you just have to love the way Griffin keeps on going.

Shogun should of been done in the second though, he was blowing big time

[Shaggy]

-Keith Jardine ($14,000) def. Chuck Liddell ($500,000)
-Forrest Griffin ($44,000) def. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua ($150,000)
-Jon Fitch ($44,000) def. Diego Sanchez ($22,000)
-"Lyoto" Ryoto Machida ($50,000) def. Kazuhiro Nakamura ($20,000)
-Tyson Griffin ($24,000) def. Thiago Tavares ($9,000)
-Rich Clementi ($24,000) def. Anthony Johnson ($5,000)
-Jeremy Stephens ($6,000) def. Diego Saraiva ($3,000)
-Christian Wellisch ($14,000) def. Scott Junk ($4,000)
-Matt Wiman ($16,000) def. Michihiro Omigawa ($5,000)

Total disclosed payroll: $954,000

Liddell got paid more than all the other contenders combined....and yet he still lost...

[Mercury Bullet]

-Keith Jardine ($14,000) def. Chuck Liddell ($500,000)


Wow, that is freakin' ridiculous.

[Stickman]

Wow, that is freakin' ridiculous.

Why? Chuck is the face of the UFC, he brings in millions and millions of dollars. Jardine is not a household name going into the fight. When Jardine holds the belt for an extended period of time and sells out arenas he'll make Chuck money.

[Reavant]

Me and andrei after a training session
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x146/Jburdorf/meandandrei.jpg

[Crimson]

Damn Arlovski looks like a skinny dude compared to you.

[Mercury Bullet]

Why? Chuck is the face of the UFC, he brings in millions and millions of dollars. Jardine is not a household name going into the fight. When Jardine holds the belt for an extended period of time and sells out arenas he'll make Chuck money.

You don't think that gap could stand to be narrowed just a little bit??? :wtf:

Two fighters paired up for a fight should never have such a huge gap in pay.

[Dave Youell]

You don't think that gap could stand to be narrowed just a little bit??? :wtf:

Two fighters paired up for a fight should never have such a huge gap in pay.
Why not? It's all about who's the draw.

Hate to bring wrestling into this, But Hogan always deserved to get more as he put the asses in the seats

[Reavant]

Damn Arlovski looks like a skinny dude compared to you.
yea hes not that big of a dude hes just shredded

[RP]

I'd say 6'4 is pretty big. Awsome pick. I'm seriously thinking about training and fighting

[Reavant]

well compaired to me... i dont realize how big i am sometimes

[Stickman]

Arlovski should let the beard grow, instead of shaving a beard inside his true beard resulting in a five oclock shadow growing out of his beard.

[Mercury Bullet]

Why not? It's all about who's the draw.

Hate to bring wrestling into this, But Hogan always deserved to get more as he put the asses in the seats

Yeh, but it takes two fighters for a fight. I'm not saying the bigger draw doesn't deserve more, but there shouldn't be an absurd gap like that. It's not like Keith Jardine was some last second fill in that was walking by outside. He's nowhere near the draw that Liddell is, but 14k vs. 500k is ridiculous.

[Stickman]

Boxing has huge gaps as well. I'm sure when Tyson was fighting, he was getting millions more than his competition.

[Mercury Bullet]

Boxing has huge gaps as well. I'm sure when Tyson was fighting, he was getting millions more than his competition.

Depends on who he was fighting...Holyfield, Lewis, even Spinks probably not. But against the Peter McNeely's and Francoise Botha's of course.

[Stickman]

Depends on who he was fighting...Holyfield, Lewis, even Spinks probably not. But against the Peter McNeely's and Francoise Botha's of course.


EXACTLY my point. Keith Jardwho?

[Mercury Bullet]

Jardine isn't that much of a nobody, and UFC likes to push their boys from TUF. And Jardine is one of those boys.

[RP]

OMG i hope this Joe Scorala guy gets booted out hes suchs a fucking pussy.

[RP]

Oh wtf.. Serra should have booted his ass

[RP]

This black guy probably gets submitted in like 20 seconds.

[RP]

WTF is up with all this Christian bullshit Matt Hughes is spewing?

[Reavant]

Hughes is a nut case

[HeartBreakMan2k]

It didn't really come off like he was forcing it on his guys though. They're not allowed to read, no tv, no phone, no nothing, he found a loophole and got them the one book that he could get away with. They have the option to read it, it didn't come off like they were mandated to do so.

[Reavant]

haha if youve ever had a coach in anything before then you realize that he WAS basically forcing it on them. Not to mention the mandatory prayer and bible study time...

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Yeah cause I haven't been doing MMA for 12 years or wrestled since I was 6. I have had a coach, shit I've been in lock ins for event prep. It sucks, being able to read anything - even the bible would have been very accepted by anyone.

Mac didn't read, he was encouraged one last time but not forced. Hence he didn't read. And I will however agree that the prayer is a bit much - though I can't comment if they're forced to.

[Reavant]

:roll: haha easy tiger... the way hughes came to him that second time is the exact same way any coach comes up to you when you have a situation where he says its optional but everyone knows he expects you to do it. you cannot argue that....


therefore hughes = nut case

[Rob]

I absolutely guarantee Keith Jardine was paid more than the record shows. Dana White always looks after his guys when they deserve it.

And it looks like Matt Hamill is out of a rematch with Michael Bisping and the rumour is it's Bisping vs. Houston Alexander in Newcastle in January.

[Stickman]

Why can't Bisping fight in the States?

[RP]

It dont matter. Alexander is gunna punt his head off his shoulders and into the crowd in the first 10 seconds of the match.

[Rob]

It dont matter. Alexander is gunna punt his head off his shoulders and into the crowd in the first 10 seconds of the match.

I'll put £100 on Bisping winning in the first round. Alexander is untested against any skilled fighter who won't stand in front and bang.

[Rob]

Why can't Bisping fight in the States?

The Bisping vs. Hamill rematch was meant to happen on the November show in New Jersey.

[Kris P Lettus]

Alexander is gonna distroy him..

:(

[Reavant]

thats sucks i wanted alexander and wanderlei to go at it

[Reavant]

I'll put £100 on Bisping winning in the first round. Alexander is untested against any skilled fighter who won't stand in front and bang.
HAHA ur nuts... he didnt even beat hamil... he was handed the win and other than the TUF finals the only people that bisbing have defeated have been elvis sinosec, eric schafer and a split to hamel that he did not win if he was in the states meanwhile houston has demolished jardine and sakara

[Kris P Lettus]

Jardine "stands in front and bangs" too so I have no idea why yopu're using that as an argument..

[Reavant]

he means alexander hasnt gone against a fighter who doesnt focus on stand up

[Rob]

HAHA ur nuts... he didnt even beat hamil... he was handed the win and other than the TUF finals the only people that bisbing have defeated have been elvis sinosec, eric schafer and a split to hamel that he did not win if he was in the states meanwhile houston has demolished jardine and sakara

Not taking anything away from Alexander. People are getting over excited about a man in his mid 30s with less than 2 minutes UFC experience. He hasn't had any pressure in his fights either. Bisping had shows build on his name. Granted he looked like shit against Hamill but that's one fight. Liddell looked like shit in his last 2 fights but I'd still tip him against 95% of the 205lbs division.

[Kris P Lettus]

I really don't care about his UFC experience..

A bad mother fucvker is a bad mother fucker regaurdless of where he honed his skills..

I mean, I beat that street fighter, King Kimbo, given two monthes to train, could fuck up alot of UFC heavyweights..

[Rob]

Why can't Bisping fight in the States?

THIS JUST SIGNED - Michael Bisping vs. Rashad Evans main event in November.

[RP]

lol wow he gets a contreversial decision and they they say fuck Tito ( trains with Hamill i believe ) and give Bisping, Tito's fight lol. I guess Tito was asking for a shit load of money that they werent going to pay.

[Reavant]

yaaaaaaay a fight between two undersized 205 lbers!!!!!


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[Reavant]

if they aree the main event in november, then that card sucks

[Rob]

Card is alright. Weak main event but other fights are good.

Spencer Fisher vs. Frankie Edgar
Houston Alexander vs. Thiago Silva
David Terrell vs. Ed Herman

Karo Parisyan is also fighting Hector Lombard

[Reavant]

all of those are rumored tho not confirmed.... actually andrei told me that the ufc is still 50-50 with him fighting nogiera in nov.


I know the websites say nog is fighting kongo but andrei said kongo has a shoulder injury so i dunno

[Kris P Lettus]

name dropper

:foc:

:(

[Reavant]

no im not... thats what he fuckin told me. id say hes a 10x better source than any website they have out there other than ufc.com

[Reavant]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i just looked at ufc.com and the card is announced.... welp.... looks like hes not fighting nog anytime soon :-\

[Rob]

all of those are rumored tho not confirmed.... actually andrei told me that the ufc is still 50-50 with him fighting nogiera in nov.


I know the websites say nog is fighting kongo but andrei said kongo has a shoulder injury so i dunno

What's confirmed then?

And the Nog thing is a load of shit because they want him next for Couture if they can't get Fedor by November.

[RP]

I'm gunna predict that UFC are really close to signing Fedor and Fedor will face Randy in January.

( and i'll cream my pants from the moment its announced to the moment it ends )

[RP]

Hey if UFC is just gunna pay people for Huerta to kick the shit out of for a round. I'm available and cheap. Call me.

[RP]

And before anyone tried to tell me Guida will be a challenge..just fuck off pls.

[Reavant]

What's confirmed then?

And the Nog thing is a load of shit because they want him next for Couture if they can't get Fedor by November.
well fedor is not going to sign until after the sambo competition which is in either oct or nov... and randy cant fight till next year anyway because of his arm. Now UFC might just be feeding andrei bullshit to keep him happy but there has to be something to it if hes been saying the same thing for the past 3 weeks

[Rob]

Arlovski isn't fighting until he signs a new contract. If he doesn't sign, they'll finish his contract with a undercard fight against a nobody.

RP - You think Guida isn't a challenge? You are having a bubble mate. Huerta hasn't fought close to the level of fighter Guida has.

[Innovator]

Sweet Bejesus, the price for these tickets for UFC 78 are ridiculously high....but probably worth it

[Reavant]

if by undercard you mean a match not shown on the televised card then you are nuts. His contract has him in all main card fights until it runs out.

[Innovator]

Got tickets, going to UFC 78

[Rob]

if by undercard you mean a match not shown on the televised card then you are nuts. His contract has him in all main card fights until it runs out.

Nobody has that in their contracts. Not even Liddell and Ortiz.

[McLegend]

Fedor signed with M1 or whatever that new MMA promotion is called.

Pretty fuckin gay

[Reavant]

yea andrei told me that today... that gives him good barganing power with the UFC now.


Plus I see Randy not fighting again. Theres no reason to now. He would either fight Vera or Sylvia. Theres no shame in losing to Fedor, but he might just retire champion now. Hes making so much money with all his gyms and the movie deal for the new scorpion king movie apparently that he doesnt need the money.

[Mercury Bullet]

I think you'll see Randy go against Nog or one more with Sylvia, and then whatever happens he retires after that.

[Loose Cannon]

lol guess again

[Mercury Bullet]

Well...Randy has announced his retirement, or "resignation" actually. Story Here (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9455).

Sounds like he left on pretty nasty terms. I wonder if he'll wind up going to M-1 eventually for a fight with Fedor.