MMA Thread

[Danny Electric]

Loving that Setanta are going back through each series of The Ultimate Fighter, I only watched series 2 and 3 in the first place.

[Reavant]

Alecksander Emilianenko is out of the fight tomm

[Kris P Lettus]

Is anyone really gonna spend money on the Affliction PPV??

I know they have a great card but why spend money on it, when Anderson Silva, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, is fighting for free..

[Fabien Barthez]

He is fighting for free, because he is as close to a dead cert to win as possible in MMA. Sylvia/Fedor will be way more competative. Plus, as you said, it's a great card. I actually am eager to watch pretty much every fight.

Although, I will have to download it, since it's not being shown here live, I would have paid for it, and watch Silva maul Irvin online at some point tomorrow.


I bet the fucker loses now.

[Reavant]

Is anyone really gonna spend money on the Affliction PPV??

I know they have a great card but why spend money on it, when Anderson Silva, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, is fighting for free..

this post makes you sound like an idiot

[RP]

No he's fighting for free cause James Irvin is gunna be paid to go down.

[Rob]

What the hell happened with Bravo not showing the Affliction show?

Gotta be UFC interference here.

[Reavant]

prolly

[Danny Electric]

How many chances will CB Dolloway have, seriously.

[Rob]

This will be his last. I'm only watching an hour before going to bed.

[Rob]

The Affliction show looks so bush league too. The ring is fucking HUGE! 30x30ft. I only wanna see Big Timmy KO the Russian :D

[RP]

Very nice submission by Dolloway

[Rob]

Horrific illegal knee though. No excuse for not docking a point.

[Danny Electric]

Shame I wanted JT to win.
Where you watching the Affliction show ROB?

[Rob]

Was watching online but the stream was pissing me off.

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-ppv-test-2.html

[Jura]

At least they got the good Buffer.

[Rob]

Who Bruce?

[Jura]

Michael.

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[Rob]

This link is slow.

[Rob]

Kevin Boo-urns should win this fight. Mazzagatti is a total bitch if he doesn't.

[Jura]

lol Finger poke to the eye.

[RP]

huh how did Burns win?

[Danny Electric]

No idea, why do you think Burns should win Rob?

[Rob]

No idea, why do you think Burns should win Rob?

Mazzagatti didn't see the poke to the eye. He let it go when Johnson was on the floor so Burns attacked him and he stopped the fight. He had to call it a TKO win.

And the commissions can't do shit either. This is what happens in the fight game.

Johnson took the loss like a man though.

[Danny Electric]

Teah, fair play to Johnson.

[Rob]

Jake O'Brian got MULLERED!

[Danny Electric]

Dominated :)

[Rob]

The Babalu fight sucked a dick. This Edgar vs. Franca fight is good though.

[Danny Electric]

I want to go on holiday with Rampage and Vera

[Jura]

Owned in 36 seconds. What is Don Johnson doing there?

[Jura]

Guys, I'm not doing too good. Check it out:



White breaks silence on Quinton Jackson
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We finally tracked down UFC president Dana White for an update on Rampage Jackson's condition. There's still much that is unknown and doctors are far from an official diagnosis. White told Yahoo! Sports that Jackson was initially going to stay in care for 72 hours but that has now been extended."I think it's going to be a while before we get him back. I'm talking as a friend. It's a sensitive issue. Rampage, the UFC fighter, who cares about that. We're concerned about Rampage, the human being. What matters is his personal life."White also talked about some strange circumstances that led up to Jackson's episode Tuesday."He was up for four days and he was doing some crazy fasting thing. He was up for four days, drinking water and energy drinks, that was it. It's not good.White said he knew as soon as he arrived in Southern California on Tuesday night that something was seriously wrong with Jackson."Rampage doesn't do drugs. Rampage really doesn't even drink. This whole thing made no sense to me. (Then) when I got there it made a lot of sense."CLICK BELOW TO LISTEN TO THE YAHOO! SPORTS EXCLUSIVE WITH WHITE:
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It sounds like the stress of stardom took its toll on Jackson before and after the Forrest Griffin fight."As this thing continues to grow and people will get more famous," said White. "Fame isn't easy to deal with. Harder for all the fighter are all the cling-ons. I can't police every fighter. As soon as something goes wrong I'm there and I'll help them."This will serve as a test case, much like the Chuck Liddell ordeal in 2007. Liddell appeared on a Dallas television morning show and appeared to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Liddell was dozing off on live television. It turned out that Liddell's handlers allowed him to appear on television under the influence of the sleeping aid Lunesta and cold medicine Nyquil.

It's becoming more obvious UFC needs to educate its fighters and their management teams on crisis management. Other sports have huge support staffs to help their athletes with the media and life management. It doesn't always work as exhibited by the 60+ run-ins with police this offseason amongst NFL players. It certainly couldn't hurt UFC fighters. There are simply too many opportunities now for fighters to get overwhelmed by fame and money.

[Kris P Lettus]

Anthony Johnson should've won that fight.. Def a class act though..

Silva is the man..

Mad disappointed in Vera..

Who won the Affliction shit?? Oh and Reav, I knew that shit would be bush-league compared to UFC..

[Jura]

Anthony Johnson should've won that fight.. Def a class act though..

Silva is the man..

Mad disappointed in Vera..

Who won the Affliction shit?? Oh and Reav, I knew that shit would be bush-league compared to UFC..
Fedor beat Sylvia by submission in about 36 seconds

[Kris P Lettus]

NICE

[Vastardikai]

Good thing he isn't paid by the hour...

[Fabien Barthez]

Anthony Johnson should've won that fight.. Def a class act though..

Silva is the man..

Mad disappointed in Vera..

Who won the Affliction shit?? Oh and Reav, I knew that shit would be bush-league compared to UFC..

What are you talking about?

Granted, Silva wasn't as short as Fedor/Sylvia... But having watched both shows, since, if you cut out the between fight bits, UFC lasted about an hour tops.. Banned was a wayyyyyyy better show. And everybody, but you of course, seemed to know it before hand anyway.

And you didn't go and meet Jake the Snake. All for 1 minutes of inevitability.

You are not a wise man.

[Rob]

White obviously didn't Rampage was going to the oppositions show.

Man Fedor just fucking raped Sylvia too. Big Timmy left the UFC for that? Sucks to be him.

[Rob]

What are you talking about?

Granted, Silva wasn't as short as Fedor/Sylvia... But having watched both shows, since, if you cut out the between fight bits, UFC lasted about an hour tops.. Banned was a wayyyyyyy better show. And everybody, but you of course, seemed to know it before hand anyway.

And you didn't go and meet Jake the Snake. All for 1 minutes of inevitability.

You are not a wise man.

Sorry the Affliction show was no way better. Aside from the 36 second rape, the fights sucked. Total bush league show.

[Fabien Barthez]

Bollocks. Arlovski/Rothwell was a good fight. Linland was pretty poor, but Barnett/Rizzo was a better watch than the Vera fight for sure, Belfort looked solid..... The undercard of UFN was weak as anything I've seen in International MMA in the last few years.

[RP]

I think Rob tried to touch on this, but he forgot to type in english.


Did anyone notice Rampage on one of the Affliction commercials? What was that about?

[Innovator]

Rampage is sponsered by Affliction, probably why

And I marked for Fedor and Randy being face to face

[Reavant]

Anthony Johnson should've won that fight.. Def a class act though..

Silva is the man..

Mad disappointed in Vera..

Who won the Affliction shit?? Oh and Reav, I knew that shit would be bush-league compared to UFC..

Sorry the Affliction show was no way better. Aside from the 36 second rape, the fights sucked. Total bush league show.

Umm considering both of you said you didnt see the show, you probably shouldnt talk. The show was fuckin sweet and the big ring was awsome. Small rings suck because you take three or four seps from the center, and you are in the ropes. With this they had a ton of room to move around.

They did a cool thing in showing every fight they had regardless of the place on the card. They could have done without megadeath but they added time to go get a beer or take a shit and not miss any action.

And the fights were awsome! Better than the ones UFC put on at least! Now your going to say "well Lindland was boring!!!" and yes he was, but i will retort with, "the vera fight, the anthony johnson pre finger stab to the eye fight, and the edgar fight all made me watch the television that had affliction on it." The last three fights were amazing on the affliction card. Barnett-Rizzo was classic, Arlovski raped Rothwell and Fedor showed everyone why hes number 1. The vitor fight was awsome and the babalu fight was good too.

[Kris P Lettus]

Sorry the Affliction show was no way better. Aside from the 36 second rape, the fights sucked. Total bush league show.

I haven't seen any on the Affliction show yet, so I am kinda bias, but I figured as much..

Ole Fabien seems to have thing for riding my nuts so it's all good anyway..

[Kris P Lettus]

Umm considering both of you said you didnt see the show, you probably shouldnt talk. The show was fuckin sweet and the big ring was awsome. Small rings suck because you take three or four seps from the center, and you are in the ropes. With this they had a ton of room to move around.

They did a cool thing in showing every fight they had regardless of the place on the card. They could have done without megadeath but they added time to go get a beer or take a shit and not miss any action.

And the fights were awsome! Better than the ones UFC put on at least! Now your going to say "well Lindland was boring!!!" and yes he was, but i will retort with, "the vera fight, the anthony johnson pre finger stab to the eye fight, and the edgar fight all made me watch the television that had affliction on it." The last three fights were amazing on the affliction card. Barnett-Rizzo was classic, Arlovski raped Rothwell and Fedor showed everyone why hes number 1. The vitor fight was awsome and the babalu fight was good too.

Just gonna say, the Anthony Johnson fight was awesome every second they were on their feet, for the record..

[Jura]

I kind of liked the Edgar/Franca fight. Franca obviously had more power and if Edgar made one mistake it could have been all over for him but he kept at it and won by decision.

[Fabien Barthez]

I haven't seen any on the Affliction show yet, so I am kinda bias, but I figured as much..

Ole Fabien seems to have thing for riding my nuts so it's all good anyway..

Whatever, I was responding to a comment I felt had no true reasoning for its opinionated nature. You called it bush league when you watched majoritively matches between guys designed to win and guys who are filling ring-space.

Affliction was good. And Reav, who also watched it entirely agrees. And I have watched both.

I would have made the same comment regardless of the fact I think you are an arse.

[Kris P Lettus]

So, my opinion is wrong simply because your opinion differs??

Look, in my 10 plus years of watching MMA, Pride was the only promotion to ever come close to putting on half as good of a show as UFC does on a nightly bases.. If you really want to become uppity towards me for stating that opinion, fine.. I just think it's retarded to spend money on a card full of former great fighters, most of whom I cared nothing for in the first place, than to watch a free event I knew would entertain me, just because it's popular to wear tight shirts with flaming skulls on them..

Even as a "super card" Arlovski and Fedor are the only two fighters I'd pay money to see and even stating that is pushing it, seeing as Arlovski is a shell of his former self and Fedor hasn't fought anyone of worth in over three years.. Well, minus Matt Lindland, who has only one other big fight in the past three years, which was Jeremy Horn, who I have to mention, hasn't done shit either in those same three years, scine he was last in the UFC..

See a pattern there..

I refuse to spent $50 on their tight gay flaming skull shirts, why would I spend it on their attempt at a super card??

[Reavant]

well, you decide Krisp...

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I wouldnt say hes a shell anymore...


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[Kris P Lettus]

You know I used to mark out for him hard core..

I just don't see paying for that PPV when you could've watch UFC for free and then watched this later, for free..

Also, UFC > *..

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL @ the Sylvia BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's

[Kris P Lettus]

How big was Prides ring cause that one does look bigger than any I've ever seen??

[Reavant]

OR.... go to a bar showing both or just affliction and tape UFC.... i watched affliction for free

[Reavant]

pride was just a standard sized rimg... this one was like 30 or 32 across

[Reavant]

The arlovski fight was awsome

[Kris P Lettus]

Is anyone really gonna spend money on the Affliction PPV??

I know they have a great card but why spend money on it, when Anderson Silva, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, is fighting for free..

this post makes you sound like an idiot

What are you talking about?

Granted, Silva wasn't as short as Fedor/Sylvia... But having watched both shows, since, if you cut out the between fight bits, UFC lasted about an hour tops.. Banned was a wayyyyyyy better show. And everybody, but you of course, seemed to know it before hand anyway.

And you didn't go and meet Jake the Snake. All for 1 minutes of inevitability.

You are not a wise man.

OR.... go to a bar showing both or just affliction and tape UFC.... i watched affliction for free

Yeah all I said was, I knew it would be an inferior product to UFC..

It was..

I also asked why someone would spend money on it..

You didn't..

[Vastardikai]

Sylvia got absolutely destroyed...

I knew Fedor was gonna win, but I thought it would at least take 3 minutes. The Troll just wasn't ready.

Maybe Fedor had somewhere else to be...

[Destor]

Anyone got a link to the Silvia fight?

[Kris P Lettus]

It's like 10 posts up, crackhead..

:o

[Destor]

lol, should've checke the thread :o

[Innovator]

Fedor hates Swamp Things

[Reavant]

Yeah all I said was, I knew it would be an inferior product to UFC..

It was..

I also asked why someone would spend money on it..

You didn't..

how was it inferior?

and if there werent bars playing it i would have bought it. I was just questioning your intellegence/laziness for not finding a way to see both.

[Kris P Lettus]

Every other promotion outside of UFC and WEC are inferior IMO..

I am seeing both..

UFC live on tv last night..

Affliction online today/tomorrow..

[Kris P Lettus]

Someone was selling Rampage's shredded tire on craigslist but it got taken down..

LOL

:(

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[Reavant]

Every other promotion outside of UFC and WEC are inferior IMO..

..

i just dont understand how you can have that opinion without seeing the show and being as hardcore or longtime mma fan that you say to be

[Gertner]

i really enjoyed the Affliction show. I've always preferred the ring to a octagon.

[Kris P Lettus]

i just dont understand how you can have that opinion without seeing the show and being as hardcore or longtime mma fan that you say to be

What are you talking about??

I've seen it now and my prediction was pretty spot on..

Why do you care that I'm a UFC fan boy??

[Fabien Barthez]

So, my opinion is wrong simply because your opinion differs??

Look, in my 10 plus years of watching MMA, Pride was the only promotion to ever come close to putting on half as good of a show as UFC does on a nightly bases.. If you really want to become uppity towards me for stating that opinion, fine.. I just think it's retarded to spend money on a card full of former great fighters, most of whom I cared nothing for in the first place, than to watch a free event I knew would entertain me, just because it's popular to wear tight shirts with flaming skulls on them..

Even as a "super card" Arlovski and Fedor are the only two fighters I'd pay money to see and even stating that is pushing it, seeing as Arlovski is a shell of his former self and Fedor hasn't fought anyone of worth in over three years.. Well, minus Matt Lindland, who has only one other big fight in the past three years, which was Jeremy Horn, who I have to mention, hasn't done shit either in those same three years, scine he was last in the UFC..

See a pattern there..

I refuse to spent $50 on their tight gay flaming skull shirts, why would I spend it on their attempt at a super card??

I'm not big on this schoolgirl arguing, but either way...

An opinion is stated with additional words which imply it is opinion. You state things like they are fact. 'I knew it would be a bush league show'

Thats why I retort, because fact and opinion aren't stated in the same way.

Arlovski is a shell of his former self? How have you watched MMA for 10 years and still make teenager comments like that? Did you start this decade of MMA voyeurism when you were 3?

And you didn't say you think this, you stated is as a true fact. The run down of match ups you stated was very interesting, but whatever. If you like watching the bottom rung of fighters who get paid around 5k to lose to slightly better nobodies, or TUF rejects Dana tries to milk some publicity out of until the next TUF begins and they become as worthless as before, then great. I would personally rather watch a show that is stacked with fighters with world-class skills and some of the most impressive combat backgrounds in the world.

Who knows why?


Nobody is talking about their fucking t-shirts. Why would you even bother to bring up that they make t-shirts, that to be fair, you probably only dislike because they don't make your size?



Seriously, this isn't just because I don't like you, it's because you make comments from opinion, and dress them up as fact. KK does it, but he backs it up with some intelligence.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah all I said was, I knew it would be an inferior product to UFC..

It was..



I am seeing both..

UFC live on tv last night..

Affliction online today/tomorrow..

You know what I mean?

[Kris P Lettus]

lol

You are fucking ridiculous..

Firstly, you are putting your opinions how great the Affliction PPV was, out there like everyone who doesn't agree is wrong.. I never put my opinions across like that..

Secondly, fighters like Arlovski is a shell of his former self.. Me a Reavant have been talking about that for years, as I have been a huge Arlovski fan, and he knows/trains with the guy..

Fedor hasn't fought anyone of worth since Pride disbanned.. And even towards the end of it they were feeding him "over the hill" fighters like Mark Coleman and Matt Lindland (who ironically was on the same "THUPERCARD" you are trying to defend to me)..

I'm not even gonna comment on Tim Sylvia..

Once again, all I said was I didn't know why someone would spend their money to watch a subpar, first time promotion, over a free UFC event, when they could watch the UFC event, and then watch the Affliction event later, online..

I understand that it's important for the sport to have other big promotions to house the thousands of great fighters who aren't in UFC, but I have never seen one that's come close to the production quality UFC puts on night after night.. The Elite XC CBS show was a fucking joke and made me sad that that is what they are putting across on national tv as the best MMA in the world.. Strikeforce is pretty horrid, with Ken Shamrock being the worst commentator I've ever seen.. IFL is good, but they can barely pay their fighters and have threatened to shutdown numerous times.. The only way I've even heard of M1 and DREAM is because I frequent MMA meassage boards..

It is my opinion that UFC/WEC is a more quality product than what everyone eles is putting out there and it's not my fault you are so sensitive to take me saying that "fact" and getting your panties all in a wad..

[Fabien Barthez]

Whatever, that wasn't you said, this is an attempt to justify comments that didn't state your intention, according to this post.

TV Production value doesn't have anything to do with card quality and fight quality, has it? So, yeah. OK.

My point is, like I already said, is that you dogged the Affliction show and cast an opinion on it, without seeing it first. Making your opinion full of shit.

So, do we get another few paragraphs of bollocks that isn't relevant to the discussion at hand, or is that it?


Oh, and how you are STILL talking about Arlovski as past it after that fight shows you are either retarded, or still haven't watched Affliction, in which case you should really really really shut the fuck up.

[Kris P Lettus]

So why don't you go back and quote all this shit I talked..

Cause for the fifth time, all I said was that I figured it would be a bush league show as far a production value, with a great card, if they had had it in 2006, and that UFC is a superior product..

All of which, even being a mere opinion, turned out to be true..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh and TV production is everything to me.. Sure I love great fights but if it looks like shit, it's hard to get into it..

Same with any sporting event..

[Kris P Lettus]

To change the subject a bit, check this out..

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[Fabien Barthez]

Oh and TV production is everything to me..


:-\

I'm no longer having this discussion with you.

[Stickman]

Can somebody direct me to a video of the Silva fight?

[Fabien Barthez]

http://www.mmashare.com/anderson-silva-vs-james-irvin-video-ufc-fight-night-14-t2013.html

[Kris P Lettus]

:-\

I'm no longer having this discussion with you.

Example:

I had a few buddies over to watch the Elite XC CBS show.. It runs about 2 hours and gets to the prefight video package for the main event, being Kimbo vs. Thompson.. We go outside, thinking we had 15 minutes, to smoke one.. We come back inside within 10 minutes and the fights had restarted.. The very first fight of the card was on.. Us being drunk and high were like WTF because there is no way it was that fast with the ring entrance, introductions, and the fight itself etc.. The show proceeded to run from the beggining for one hour and then went off the air.. Never saw Kimbo or Thompson, nothing..

Also, I work on tv so yeah..

Production quality is pretty big to me, ecspecially if I'm paying money..

Buy hey, whatever floats your boat..

[Reavant]

Example:

I had a few buddies over to watch the Elite XC CBS show.. It runs about 2 hours and gets to the prefight video package for the main event, being Kimbo vs. Thompson.. We go outside, thinking we had 15 minutes, to smoke one.. We come back inside within 10 minutes and the fights had restarted.. The very first fight of the card was on.. Us being drunk and high were like WTF because there is no way it was that fast with the ring entrance, introductions, and the fight itself etc.. The show proceeded to run from the beggining for one hour and then went off the air.. Never saw Kimbo or Thompson, nothing..

Also, I work on tv so yeah..

Production quality is pretty big to me, ecspecially if I'm paying money..

Buy hey, whatever floats your boat..

then you would have loved affliction them because of all the time they gave you with the band time.


also, as long as the cameras are actually on the fighters while they are fighting, then how is it hard for you to get into the fight?

I mean its a sport and the competition is making me watch it... not how well they cut from camera to camera or the quality of announcers, or animations to show height, weight and records.

[Kris P Lettus]

Bad production can kill a good fight..

Same way bad production can kill a potentially good movie..

[Fabien Barthez]

You kill potentially good discussion.

What the fuck are you on about?

[Stickman]

A fan of 10 plus years of MMA would not give two shits about production value. A new fan might.

[Destor]

A fan of 10 plus years of MMA would not give two shits about production value. A new fan might.What?

so MMA changes your personal preferences?

[Reavant]

if you can see the two fighters, and the cameras stay on them from a reasonable distance, then how does the production kill the fight? IT DOESNT!!!

BAD FIGHTS KILL THE PRODUCTION! not the other way around. Good fights can save a shitty production.

[Kris P Lettus]

I agree with that also..

You guys are taking this way too seriously..

IMO UFC is better than all other promotions.. Sure that is a biased opinion but I've admitted that numerous times..

Why do you guys care??

[Kris P Lettus]

A fan of 10 plus years of MMA would not give two shits about production value. A new fan might.

lol

[Stickman]

Yes, UFC is hands down better than any other promotion.

[Kris P Lettus]

That's all I said.. Well, that and I questioned why someone would spend money on another promotion, than to just watch UFC for free and then the other promotion for free later on..

Go back and read what I'm being attacked for..

Ridiculous..

[Kris P Lettus]

UFC Fight Night 14 salaries: Silva and Vera net $200,000 each

Jul 21, 2008

UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva earned $200,000 for his first-round TKO victory over James Irvin in the light-heavyweight, non-title main event of this past Saturday's UFC Fight Night 14 event. Co-main event winner Brandon Vera netted the same for his victory over UFC newcomer Reese Andy.

Salaries from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The event took place at The Palms Las Vegas and aired live on Spike TV.

Total disclosed payroll for the event was $623,000.

The full results included:

Anderson Silva: $200,000 (no win bonus issued)
def. James Irvin: $20,000

Brandon Vera: $200,000 (includes $100,000 win bonus)
def. Reese Andy $15,000

Frankie Edgar: $26,000 ($13,000 win bonus)
def. Hermes Franca : $17,000

Cain Velasquez: $14,000 ($7,000 win bonus)
defeats Jake O'Brien: $11,000

Kevin Burns: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus)
def. Anthony Johnson: $9,000

CB Dollaway: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
defeats Jesse Taylor: $8,000

Tim Credeur: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Cale Yarbrough: $8,000

Rory Markham: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
defeats Brodie Farber: $3,00O

Nate Loughran: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
defeats Johnny Rees: $4,000

Brad Blackburn: $10,000 ($5000 win bonus)
defeats James Gaboo: $3,000

Shannon Gugerty: $6,000 ($3,000 win bonus)
defeats Dale Hartt: $3,000

Now, the usual disclaimer: the figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other "locker-room" or special bonuses the UFC oftentimes pays. In other words, these are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.

[Fabien Barthez]

That's all I said.. Well, that and I questioned why someone would spend money on another promotion, than to just watch UFC for free and then the other promotion for free later on..

Go back and read what I'm being attacked for..

Ridiculous..

You never said that though, you suggested that UFN was a better watching option than Affliction. Order of viewing and reasoning was never your point, you are just twisting this to make it seem like you are being hard done by.

[Kris P Lettus]

That is bullshit, dude..

I said:

Is anyone really gonna spend money on the Affliction PPV??

I know they have a great card but why spend money on it, when Anderson Silva, one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, is fighting for free..

Then went on to agree with Rob that it was a subpar event..

As I said earlier today, why don't you quote me saying these things cause maybe you'll go back and read the whole argument and see what a dick you look like..

[Stickman]

I didn't watch either but if I had to choose I would've gone with Affliction. The card looked so much better. Why would I watch guys who lost on TUF?

[Fabien Barthez]

And that suggests you think Anderson for free is better than the whole Affliction card, not that you are going to download it later.

I don't quote because I don't want to. Simple.

What about Andrei, The Shell Arlovski? I guess that was just you stating that he was terrible at Affliction? Dick's in the mirror.

[Reavant]

well he was saying that andrei WAS a shell. a lot of people thought that but he came in this weekend and showed that he was not. even if he was however, the fight would have been entertaining because rothwell would have been onm the offensive. He said after i posted the fight that he is "back"

[Reavant]

the only problem i had with all this is when krispy basically said the fights were bad cuz the production was poor which just makes no sense to me.

[Kris P Lettus]

Didn't say that at all..

Just saying that no promotion compares to UFC on value and shitty production can ruin a card IMO..

[Reavant]

Oh and TV production is everything to me.. Sure I love great fights but if it looks like shit, it's hard to get into it..
Same with any sporting event..

Example:

I had a few buddies over to watch the Elite XC CBS show.. It runs about 2 hours and gets to the prefight video package for the main event, being Kimbo vs. Thompson.. We go outside, thinking we had 15 minutes, to smoke one.. We come back inside within 10 minutes and the fights had restarted.. The very first fight of the card was on.. Us being drunk and high were like WTF because there is no way it was that fast with the ring entrance, introductions, and the fight itself etc.. The show proceeded to run from the beggining for one hour and then went off the air.. Never saw Kimbo or Thompson, nothing..

Also, I work on tv so yeah..

Production quality is pretty big to me, ecspecially if I'm paying money..

Buy hey, whatever floats your boat..

Bad production can kill a good fight..

Same way bad production can kill a potentially good movie..

you pretty much said that exactly except it was even more broad to include every other organization

[Kris P Lettus]

Are they not drug testing you for your fight, cause you are obviously high or something..

I never said the fights were bad..

I said that poor production quality can lead me, as a fan, to not enjoy the fights as much as I could.. I've had that happen with just about every company outside of Pride and UFC/WEC..

You guys keep putting words in my mouth..

[Kris P Lettus]

Also, it's not that big of a deal to me.. There will be alot of other promotions pop up and try to put on shows that I won't pay money for, specially if there's a top fighter on a free card, being put on by the best MMA company in the world, that same night..

Settle down..

[Fabien Barthez]

UFN hardly represents the quality of the best MMA company in the world. And I am stating that as fact and not just my opinion, because it is one.

If you base the MMA you watch on the in-fight camera transitions and positions, and the length of the pre-fight promo video, then great. There are idiots everywhere...

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, cause that is exactly what I said..

[Kris P Lettus]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_m_U1_UallSw/SIQLBtkzv9I/AAAAAAAAAlg/1htIYfpICz8/s320/Ajeye2.jpg

Anthony Johnson def needs to appeal that "loss" because I'm pretty sure they'd overturn it..

[Kris P Lettus]

And here is the latest episode of ESPN's MMA Live which aired last thursday..

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[The Show Off]

http://bp3.blogger.com/_m_U1_UallSw/SIQLBtkzv9I/AAAAAAAAAlg/1htIYfpICz8/s320/Ajeye2.jpg

Anthony Johnson def needs to appeal that "loss" because I'm pretty sure they'd overturn it..

It's bullshit that he lost that fight but there is really nothing he can do. The rules state that a ref cannot use replay to over turn a decision. The decision the ref made in the octagon was that Johnson lost by TKO. Its something the need to look into in the future but alas Rumble will just have to settle for the loss and hope the UFC gives him a rematch. This time hopefully Rumble doesn't gas halfway through the second round and start losing the stand up battle.

[The Show Off]

So what do you guys think of Hellboy winning the DREAM Lightweight GP as an alternate?

[The Show Off]

So what do you guys think of Hellboy winning the DREAM Lightweight GP as an alternate?

Well apprently no one cares about this subject but I know I think hit's a little tainted that he is the DREAM Lightweight Champion. Sure his win over Aoki was impressive, I've never seen someone fold like that from one shot of ground and pound. However, Hansen's victory over Gill (who isn't even a Top 20 Lightweight) and a win over Aoki doesn't seem like it should get him the GP title. However, he is so I think it only fair that they either give Aoki a re-match or what I suggest is that Eddie Alverez gets a shot at Hansen's title. Alverez already beat Hansen earlier on in the tournament and never was eliminated from it so I figure he should get the next shot.

I became an instant fan of Alvarez once he said "I could have fought with one eye against Aoki its not like I have to worry about him punching me or anything." I'm a fan of Aoki but that statement is so true Aoki seems deathly afarid of standing and I've never seen a guy pull guard as much as Aoki.

[Kris P Lettus]

Haven't watched any on the DREAM shit yet..

:-\

[Reavant]

its just like pride... good stuff

[Reavant]

mmamania.com is saying arlovski vs fedor is set for oct 11th in vegas

[Innovator]

That'll be fun training Andrei for that

[RP]

thats gunna be a heck of a fight. Affliction has it going on right now. I'm impressed. And Josh Barnett is waiting. Its looking good so far.

[RP]

Affliction Banned drew more at the gate then 2 of UFC's shows at the Honda Center

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AkGxrjpDqjK4W72MPDW.5tw9Eo14?slug=mmajunkie-Affliction_Banned_Gate&prov=mmajunkie&type=lgns

[Kris P Lettus]

James Irvin's cut at an afterparty Saturday night..

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/harrisa22/irvin2.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/harrisa22/irvin3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/harrisa22/irvin.jpg

Also, Spike is running the whole BJ Penn vs Shawn Sherk PPV on Saturday oppisite the Elite XC CBS show..

[The Show Off]

mmamania.com is saying arlovski vs fedor is set for oct 11th in vegas

As much as I like Arlovski and think he does deserve a shot at Fedor I think Barnett should have gotten the shot over him since Barnett has been waiting to fight Fedor since forever. But I'm sure they selected Andrei because he has more name recognition in the United States.

Affliction was great I just still hate MMA in rings too many re-starts occur when people are tangled in the ropes makes for a choppy fight. Affliction's larger ring did help to stop that.

[Juan]

If all goes well, I'll be scoring tickets to the upcoming EliteXC show. Lawler vs Smith II is gonna be sick IMO

[Fabien Barthez]

I thought Couture was free to fight where he likes from October?

Either way, I was hopeful for Tim. Didn't do me any favours. Fedor is obviously a fucking beast, but Andrei was awesome as well. Rothwell is a tough bastard... I think if you watch that fight again, you will see Arlovski is just trying to work a bit in the second round. Draw it out and work his defence in a fight. He had total control in my eyes from bell to bell. I like a guy with striking like Arlovski's, and hopefully his hunger in a fight against Fedor.

Will it be Sylvia/Barnett maybe as well? How about Linland/Belfort? You have got to think Tito is going to play some part, if he read the payout figures this week...

I like what's going on with Affliction. It is already bigger than pretty much any other rival organisation, after only 1 show.

[Reavant]

That'll be fun training Andrei for that

i was thinking about that, and I dont know how I would simulate him. Hes so fast and can move so well that its almost impossible to recreate.

[Reavant]

I think that the next affliction cart should be:

Fedor v Cotour
Arlovski v Barnet
Babalu v Tito
Vitor v lindland
Aleksaner E v Sylvia/Rothwell
Rizzo v Sylvia/Rothwell

[Reavant]

theres just been so much shit about this fight with randy, that it just needs to fucking happen. let the old man get his ass kicked.

[Kris P Lettus]

The UFC and Spike TV are close to finalizing a deal that would put October's UFC 89 event on free basic cable -- a week before the recently announced UFC 90 event that will likely air on pay per view.

However, when reached for comment today, Spike TV Vice President of Communications David Schwarz had no comment.

UFC 89 takes place Oct. 18 at The NIA in Birmingham, England. The main event features "The Ultimate Fighter 3" winner and popular British fighter Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben. Also slated to compete are Lyoto Machida, Thiago Silva, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, Shane Carwin and Marcus Davis.

However, a major addition to the card has been discussed.

After this past weekend's UFC Fight Night 14 event in Las Vegas, UFC President Dana White said that UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, who defeated James Irvin in the event's headline bout, will likely next fight Patrick Cote. (Yushin Okami had been next in line for the title shot, but he recently suffered a broken hand while training.)

White said that if Silva fights in September at UFC 88, that it would likely be against Cote.

However, one source close to the fighter tells MMAjunkie.com that Silva, largely considered the world's top pound-for-pound fighter, could instead be added to the UFC 89 fight card in Birmingham to bolster the nationally televised line-up. (And UFC 88 would instead feature its originally scheduled pay-per-view main event of Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans.)

Before the deal is finalized for UFC 89, Spike TV and the UFC first need to agree to a fee for the broadcast. The addition of a marketable star such as Silva, whose fight with Irvin peaked with a hefty 3.8 million viewers this past Saturday, would surely make the event more attractive to Spike TV and potential advertisers.

If Silva is moved to UFC 89, it's not known if Cote would still be his opponent.

Again, though, the possible UFC 89 title fight is far from finalized and has merely been discussed as a possibility.

Silva/Cote will be blah, but Alves/Machida and Bisping/Leban will be awesome..

[Kris P Lettus]

http://i36.tinypic.com/154ja74.jpg

[Reavant]

Bisbing and Leban doesnt excite me but it will probably be a good fight

[The Show Off]

Bisbing and Leban doesnt excite me but it will probably be a good fight

That's more or less the way I feel, I mean I like both Leben and Bisping but I just can't get too excited for two guys fighting that aren't even Top 20 in their division.

[The CyNick]

Bis ping has been very exciting at 185. Leben is usually willing to bang, so it sounds like a good fight to me. I think Bisping is definately a top 20 guy right now, and he's just getting started at 185. Not sure how he will fare against the elite guys at that weight, but the fight is intriguing to me.

Rest of the card looks solid as well, especially considering its free.

[Danny Electric]

Still trying to get a ticket to the show, my friends are let downs.

[Kris P Lettus]

Anthony “Rumble” Johnson had to get laser surgery today because Kevin Burn’s finger damaged the retina of his eye. He also had a laceration from one end of his eye to the other end which required stitches. UFC took care of all expenses for this surgery since it was related to his incident in his last UFC fight.

He wants to tell everyone that his surgery went smoothly and he would also like to give thanks to all his family, friends and fans for their continuous support. Once his eye heals he will start up his training because he would like to fight atleast one more time before the end of this year.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5720/normalpic0006ky9.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

And on the subject of UFC 89:

Keith Jardine says he's fighting Brandon Vera at UFC 89


Keith Jardine (13-4-1 MMA, 5-3 UFC) will look to rebound from his recent loss to Wanderlei Silva when he meets Brandon Vera (9-2 MMA, 5-2 UFC) at UFC 89, an event that takes place Oct. 18 at The NIA in Birmingham, England.

Jardine today announced the fight on an Albuquerque radio show.

The light heavyweight bout will likely end up on the night's main card, which currently features a headline bout between Michael Bisping and Chris Leben.

However, the UFC has yet to announce the fight.

Jardine most recently suffered a stunning, 36-second knockout to Wanderlei Silva at UFC 84. The loss came right after the biggest win of his career -- a split-decision victory over Chuck Liddell in September 2007.

With a May 2007 loss to Houston Alexander, the Team Jackson fight has now lost two of his past three fights -- the first such stretch of his seven-year career.

Vera, meanwhile, will look to shake a recent three-fight funk. After a unanimous-decision loss to Tim Sylvia at UFC 77, Vera then suffered a first-round TKO to Fabricio Werdum at UFC 85. He then decided to drop to 205 pounds, and though he scored a unanimous-decision victory over UFC newcomer Reese Andy at this past weekend's UFC Fight Night 14, the performance was flat and heavily criticized.

The fight with Jardine is essentially a must-win for Vera, a former top heavyweight contender who had, at one time, been promised a title shot with then-champ Tim Sylvia, but a feud with his manager kept the fight from happening. Since returning from that year-long layoff, Vera -- who began his UFC career with four consecutive stoppage victories -- has posted three lackluster performances.

I hope Vera looks better than that last outting..

[Kris P Lettus]

Kinda looking forward to seeing Nick Diaz tonight..

[Kris P Lettus]

Elite XC Saturday Night Fights 2

Some pretty decent fights.. I flipped back and forth between it and the UFC Penn vs Sherk PPV.. Lawler/Smith was def the fight of the night.. Vicious body shots and then knees from Lawler.. Diaz looked methodical in his striking.. What was up with that one guys total neck beard.. Weird..

Also, Gina was SMOKING FUCKING HOTTTTTTT in her interview..

This show was much better than their first IMO..

Did anyone watch the replay of UFC 84 Penn vs Sherk last night??

It was really sweet how UFC recut the footage and added in the behind the scenes shit pre and post fights.. I hope they consider doing this for every PPV say three weeks after they happen.. So like, they could air the recut PPV a week before the next PPV..

[Kris P Lettus]

Due to a discussion about the UFC Lightweight Title and then some research, I found out that it has never changed hands due to a challenger beating a champion.. It's always been vacated.. With Penn beating Sherk, it's the first time since Jens Pulver that there's been an undisputed LW Champ..

Just thought that was weird..

[Reavant]

what about when sherk beat kenflo for it?

[Kris P Lettus]

Wasn't that when it was rehashed 3 years after Pulver left it vacant??

[Reavant]

yea... im not sure what point your trying to make

[Kris P Lettus]

That the light Weight Title has never changed hands by a challenger beating a champion.. Which would be the standard way, no??

[Reavant]

What about when Sherk defended against Hermes Franka

[Reavant]

Wait I think i see what ur saying... Technically it still hasnt been taken away from a champion yet. The belt was vacated again when BJ won it and Sherk was not any type of champion when he fought BJ, so he was only a challenger.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah..

Every time that title has changed hands, it's been vacated.. A challenger has never "beaten" a champion..

Just found that weird..

[Kris P Lettus]

This is from an MMA news site, but has yet to be confirmed..

Quinton Jackson May Believe He Is God Himself

According to a source over at Cage Potatoe, former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Quinton "Rampage" Jackson may have a few more problems than just getting arrested:

Rampage thinks he’s God…He had a falling out with his trainer a couple of days before the first arrest. Basically he has lost his mind and is talking very religious and is saying that he is God. This is the main thing I wanted to keep hidden, but with the second arrest and Dana talking it will come out regardless. He needs some serious help. I don’t know if you would call it schizophrenia or bipolar disorder or what have you, but whatever it is, basically it’s become impossible to have a conversation with him. He is delusional.

[Confused]

This is from an MMA news site, but has yet to be confirmed..

Lets hope thats some wild rumour mongering!

[McLegend]

That news has been out for a while.

[Innovator]

Dickerman is crying

[Super V]

This is from an MMA news site, but has yet to be confirmed..

LOL at Rampage.

[Rob]

Still trying to get a ticket to the show, my friends are let downs.

You dick. Should have told me before hand and you could have come with me and my pals.

Dickerman is crying

I just spoke with him online earlier too. I was crying after that convo but all tears of laughter.

[Innovator]

Won't lie, pretty jealous you talk to those guys

[Rob]

Been chatting to him from about the week after Owen Hart died.

Definitely going Vegas next May and I know Fritz is going. Hopefully Dickerman and Vito too.

I'm not on the BTR board now but they were cool as fuck on that when it was the old board too. And the Properly Promoted board. Loose Cannon and Cynick have both posted there too.

[McLegend]

Someone else use to post their as well.

[McLegend]

I wonder who that could have been...

[Rob]

Tito Ortiz looks like he is signing with Affliction then.

James Irvin failed a drug test for methadone and oxymorphone. Is he a heroin junkie or something?

Justin Levens failed for Oxymorphone. The cut-off line is 120 ng/mL. He tested at 10,141 ng/mL.

[Kris P Lettus]

Good Lord..

[Impact!]

LOL dammmmnnnnnnn

Has there been any talk about the second Affliction show yet? Or any possible line ups?

[Reavant]

Theyre trying to make the affliction show in october and it would have Arlovski vs Fedor.

[Impact!]

Cool, any other possible match ups?

[Reavant]

Tito and Babalu

[Impact!]

Nice

[Kris P Lettus]

Theyre trying to make the affliction show in october and it would have Arlovski vs Fedor.

I heard Fedor is out for 6 months due to an elbow injury or some shit..

But yeah, Tito vs Babalou..

[Kris P Lettus]

Tito isn't signed yet..

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz is not out of the Octagon just yet.

Despite several published reports of Ortiz’s whereabouts, Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio today told MMAWeekly.com that he has not signed the popular UFC fighter. Atencio claims that Ortiz’s promotional contract with the Las Vegas based company precludes that.

“I can’t talk to Tito until after August 3rd,” Atencio says. “Everybody just wants to read into it and put whatever they want on the internet.”

Atencio says he is still hard at work confirming the venue for the proposed October 11th date. At this point, most of the card is still a work in progress—including a main event showdown between Andre Arlovski and Fedor Emelianenko.

Ortiz, 33, and UFC president Dana White have had a much-publicized war of words over the past year. Ortiz gave numerous interviews decrying the UFC’s lack of respect for him, while White told a teleconference of reporters gathered for UFC 84 that he no longer wanted to be in “the Tito Ortiz business.”

In a May interview with MMAWeekly Radio, Ortiz said his fight with Lyoto Machida at UFC 84 was his last for Zuffa, and hoped to have fight set up by “September or October.”

“Me going to somewhere else is 100% happening,” said Ortiz.

Atencio hopes to have announcement next week confirming the second show and main events of its card.

“I hate to use the phrase ‘up in the air,’ but it’s in the works is a better term,” Atencio says.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6792&zoneid=13

Yeah and supposedly Fedor is medically suspended for six months for an injury to his right hand.. Looking for conformation..

[Kris P Lettus]

Fedor Emelianenko and Tim Sylvia, the main eventers of the inaugural "Affliction: Banned" event on July 19, have been medically suspended for 180 days. The heavyweights would only have to serve the full sentence if they decide not to get cleared by an orthopedic doctor.
Fedor was suspended for an injury to his right hand, while Sylvia was suspended for an injury to his left elbow.
Fedor and Sylvia are both expected to compete on the next Affliction card on Oct. 11

http://mmafighting.com/news/2008/07/30/fedor-sylvia-medically-suspended-six-months

[Reavant]

So yea Fedor and Arlovski, and Tito and Babalu is trying to be made to happen in October... way to proove my points in all your research :roll:

[Reavant]

Fedor has been the one saying it... he wants time to train for his NYE fight in dream that will probably take place against CroCop and he wouldnt have te time if the Affliction fight were in Novemer.

[Impact!]

So basically Fedor V Arvloski depends on Fedor V Crop Cop, and Tito V Babalu is probably gonna happen.

[Reavant]

No... Fedor and Arlovski depends on if Fedor can get cleared and all parties can get a good contract. Fedor just wants an earlier fight than november because he has a NYE fight in DREAM

[Impact!]

Ah, true. Well hopefully these fights do get set up, as the PPV line up seems good (so far)

[Kris P Lettus]

Kimbo and Hulk Hogan are gonna be in a childrens movie..

Press Release: Kimbo And Hulk Hogan To Star In "Kung Fu U" July 30, 2008
By Jason Perkins, FightLine.com Staff

LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Stereo Vision Entertainment, Inc. (OTCBB: SVSN), a film production company focused exclusively on developing high quality, low cost, polarized 3D feature films, announced today that the undefeated Mixed Martial Arts phenomenon, Kimbo Slice, will be co-starring with Hulk Hogan in Stereo Vision's hilarious kids' comedy "Kung Fu U" in 3D. "Kung Fu U" in 3D is a Disney-type comedy about of a bunch of nerds and misfits that are sent away by their wealthy parents to the Brentwood Academy (a.k.a. Kung Fu U) to learn the finer arts of self-defense. It's a heart-warming romp where the rather weathered warriors come to the rescue for the kids, and in turn, the kids rescue the warriors’ seemingly lost souls from what had been their eternal apathy. It's a feel-good story that reminds us that we're all the same, no matter what our age, or where we came from, and that we should all stick together.
Stereo Vision's Chairman, "Baywatch" creator Doug Schwartz, stated, "We're very happy to have Kimbo Slice co-starring in 'Kung Fu U.' He has an enormous media presence, and he'll fit right in with our star Hulk Hogan, and the other cast members in our made for kids 3D movie. We hope to have 'Kung Fu U' in 3D in theaters by the fall of '09."

[Reavant]

damnit

[Kris P Lettus]

Holli Griggs, the 38-year-old woman who was driving a 2007 Cadillac Escalade when Quinton "Rampage" Jackson sideswiped her in his monster truck, has suffered a miscarriage, The Daily Pilot reports. Griggs' fiance told the local paper that doctors had been concerned when they noticed a significant loss of fluid in Griggs' womb following the accident. Griggs was 16 weeks pregrant at the time of the incident.
Jackson, who lost his UFC light-heavyweight title on July 5, wasarrested July 15 afternoon after leading the police on a wild car chasein California through Cosa Mesa to Newport Beach.
Jackson hit twocars turning off the 55 Freeway into Newport Boulevard and sped away when a police driver tried to pull him over for driving witha blown tire and talking on the cellphone. Jackson struck more cars while continuing to evade the police and almost hitpedestrians when he drove onto the sidewalk. Jackson ran throughseveral red lights before finally stopping for the police under gunpoint.
Jackson was transported to the Costa Mesa City Jail where he was booked for felony evading, reckless driving and hit and run. He was released on $25,000 bail by UFC President Dana White.
Griggs has not yet filed charges against Jackson.

Damn..

:(

[Reavant]

Quinten "the Baby Killer" Jackson

[Rob]

That's bullshit. The miscarrage was meant to be stress related and there is no way they wouldn't check for stuff like this at the time of the accident.

[Kris P Lettus]

I heard the woman just wants money, but it's still fucked up..

[RP]

That's bullshit. The miscarrage was meant to be stress related and there is no way they wouldn't check for stuff like this at the time of the accident.

you dont know what you're talking about. Miscarriages are not caused by stress. Thats a fact. Miscarriages within the first 20 weeks are most commonly caused by the egg in the uterus not developing right. Sometimes symptoms nor pelvic exams will show signs of a miscarriage. There are specific tests that would have to be done by a doctor. And these tests would not be checked for at the time of an accident. A miscarriage can happen from physical trauma.A woman can have symptoms of a miscarriage for quite some time before she even realizes she's having a miscarriage. The thing that is in Rampage's favor is that there are many reasons a miscarriage might happen. I think its something like 1 in 4 pregnancys end in a miscarriage within the first 2 trimesters. Anything from tobacco,obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, progesterone deficiency, severe cases of hypothyroidism , high levels of alcohol consumtion or caffeine, polycystic ovary syndrome and quite a few other things could be the cause of the miscarriage. So it would be difficult to prove that the accident caused the miscarriage. Furthermore, the insuation that this woman is seeking money is absolutely absurd and moronic. If she retained a lawyer, it surely was because of the initial accident and possible criminal charges.

[Impact!]

Cool, Matt Lindland V Vitor Belfort for the WAMMA Middleweight Title

[Kris P Lettus]

WEC show was good last night even though most of the matches were short..

Also, :( @ Marcus Hicks and Brian Stann getting dominated..

[Rob]

you dont know what you're talking about. Miscarriages are not caused by stress. Thats a fact.

The woman is claiming a stress related miscarrage. Not me.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yeah, the next Affliction card is looking better than the last. Fedor/Arlovski, Linland/Belfort and Tito/Babalu. Works for me. :y:

[Reavant]

its Arlovski/Barnett now

[Fabien Barthez]

Oh. Does that mean Fedor won't be clear of medical suspension, or would Couture have fight clearance by then?

[Reavant]

Fedor isnt cleared i guess cuz Randy isnt.

[Fabien Barthez]

When is Randy free to roam then? I thought it was October or November this year?

[Kris P Lettus]

http://cdn.afflictionclothing.com/Day_Of_Reckoning_October11th/reckoning_poster.jpg

[Kris P Lettus]

Barnett is a douchebag.. He tried to "call out" Aleks Emelianenko before his fight at the last Affliction show..

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[Reavant]

Yea Barnet is pretty weird... hard guys to read sometimes when he talks

[Kris P Lettus]

I know he beat Aleks before because Aleks gassed but I seriously think AE would KO him if they fought now..

It all spawned from Aleks saying he would beat him in a rematch and Barnett is acting like a child.. Is Emelianenko supposed to be like "oh he'd beat my ass if we fought again.."?? Highly unproffesional to do it before a fight at an event like that IMO..

I hope Andre destroys him..

[Reavant]

I dont think that Barnett has the tools to beat Arlovski. I mean he is way more dominant on the grownd and if he got andrei there he would kill him, but I dont think he can do it.

Barnett has OK hands. Andrei would light him up on the feet.

Barnett has a pretty good body clinch that he can use for throws and takedowns, but so does andrei. In fact Andrei is the only guy Ive ever wrestled that had a better clinch than me that wasnt an all-american wrestler. I really cant imagine that Barnett coud be any better but who knows I guess.

And andrei is way to fast for any of Barnett's shots, so I dont see how he could get him to th grownd unless Andrei does a bone hea thing where he lays on the mat like he did with Rothwell.

[Vastardikai]

Catch Wrestling FTW.

[Fabien Barthez]

I dont think Andrei staying on the ground against Rothwell was a bonehead thing. It looked to me like he could have pulled the trigger any time, but chose to draw out his first fight in a ring. Even on the bottom, he was causing way more damage to Rothwell.

[Reavant]

What? thats seriously the dumbest statement ever.... watch that fight again! Rothwell was hitting him hard with punches and elbows. And he wasnt trying to draw the fight out longer. That would be the dumbest thing ever. He doesnt hae the best submissions and hes not that dangerous from his back so why would he risk having a guy that outweighes him by a possible 30 pounds by that time of the fight on top of him. The reason Andrei even ended up on the ground was that Rothwell scrambled out of a heel hook and andrei thought he was going to roll on top instead of get up.

[Fabien Barthez]

I don't know, I've watched it a few times and he causes alot of damage in the tussle off his back in that fight. And it looked like, to me that since he was bashing Rothwells head up, when he got up, Ben was backing out of it, and that seemed why he stayed down.

Then the second he got back up, he dominated him. I didn't see a point in that fight where Andrei wasn't in control.

[Rob]

I dont think that Barnett has the tools to beat Arlovski. I mean he is way more dominant on the grownd and if he got andrei there he would kill him, but I dont think he can do it.

Barnett has OK hands. Andrei would light him up on the feet.

Barnett has a pretty good body clinch that he can use for throws and takedowns, but so does andrei. In fact Andrei is the only guy Ive ever wrestled that had a better clinch than me that wasnt an all-american wrestler. I really cant imagine that Barnett coud be any better but who knows I guess.

And andrei is way to fast for any of Barnett's shots, so I dont see how he could get him to th grownd unless Andrei does a bone hea thing where he lays on the mat like he did with Rothwell.

Barnett would get him down easy. Worst wrestlers than Barnett have done before. Personally I think Barnett would walk through Arlovski.

And for whoever asked about Randy Couture, it's not even a lock he is free in October. If the courts say he needs to fulfill his full UFC contract than that is that. He is chosing not to fight. UFC isn't holding him to ransom because they want to use him. I think Randy is going back there to lose to Nog and retirement.

[Reavant]

we will see i guess :D

[McLegend]

Dana should go to Randy and be like "Randy if you beat Mintauro or whoever. you win your freedom. However.... If you lose you work for the UFC forever...FOREVER.

A match for someone's freedom would sell PPV's. Be fuckin awsome.

[Rob]

That's what Dana wants. Let your top heavyweight leave after beating your #2 guy or keeping him forever if he is a loser.

[McLegend]

That's what Dana wants. Let your top heavyweight leave after beating your #2 guy or keeping him forever if he is a loser.
minor Details.

[Reavant]

That type of stipulation would sell massive amounts of ppvs

[Crimson]

And Dana could walk down to the octagon like Vince McMahon does with his strut before the match..that would be so hilarious.

[Crimson]

With the No Chance theme of course

[Vastardikai]

Dana should go to Randy and be like "Randy if you beat Mintauro or whoever. you win your freedom. However.... If you lose you work for the UFC forever...FOREVER.

A match for someone's freedom would sell PPV's. Be fuckin awsome.

If I wanted to watch an MMA promotion that thinks it's a pro-wrestling promotion, I'd watch EliteXC...

[Kris P Lettus]

by MMAjunkie. com Staff on Aug 06, 2008 at 10:36 am ET

Tito OrtizAs expected former UFC light heavyweight champion and recent free agent Tito Ortiz has agreed to a contract with Affliction -- a deal the 33-year-old called a "ground-breaking record contract.

"

Ortiz broke the news to si. com.



Ortiz, who hadn't signed the deal at the time of the report, said he planned to and that his first fight would be against Renato "Babalu" Sobral at Affliction's second show, which takes place Oct. 11 at the Thomas & Mack Center on the campus of UNLV in Las Vegas.



MMAjunkie. com (www. mmajunkie. com) previously reported that Sobral has been publicly campaigning for the fight. Soon after his unanimous-decision victory over Mike Whitehead at Affliction's first show, Sobral also said that Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio had been working to put together the fight with Ortiz -- one that Sobral called his "dream fight.

"

Ortiz's final UFC fight came in May at UFC 84. He suffered a unanimous-decision loss to Lyoto Machida to push his record to 0-2-1 in his past three fights.



However, Ortiz remains a top box-office and pay-per-view draw, and he said that Affliction gave him a long-term deal that will keep him involved as both a fighter and executive involved in the company "back work.

"

"I'm going to a company that's going to take care of me, a company that's going to respect me, a company that's going to put me in the forefront and make me the ambassador that I've always been," Ortiz told si. com.
"I think (Affliction executive) Mr. (Donald) Trump respects me at that value to get it. My heart's not with the UFC anymore because of how bad they treated me. They don't respect me and they don't see me as a businessman. All they think is that I'm a punk fighter that's going to fold, and I've already proven that I'm not going to fold to anything by not resigning with them.

"

Ortiz also hinted that, in addition to Sobral, he wants a rematch with Frank Shamrock. He also said a move up to the heavyweight division, one in which Affliction has half of the world's top-10 fighters, could happen.



Ortiz credited Affliction executive Donald Trump, whom Ortiz met while a contestant on "The Celebrity Apprentice," as a major reason he signed with the rookie promotion. He said EliteXC and the American Fight League had also contacted him with offers.



Affliction is hosting a press conference today in Las Vegas. The Ortiz signing could be announced during the event.

[Reavant]

Id hate to completely contradict your last post Krisp... but here I go...


Tito Ortiz (Pictures) knows it’s all about the timing.

Which is why most of the fight community tuned in to a news conference Wednesday in Las Vegas for the Oct. 11 Affliction 2 "Day of Reckoning" only to hear that the fighter would not only not be attending, but also that he has not yet been signed by the promotion.

SI.com reported Tuesday that the boisterous light heavyweight had become a free agent on Monday and was hours away from announcing a deal with Affliction, though the report was later updated to describe Ortiz’s signing as a possibility.

Legal counsel for Affliction Entertainment said Wednesday that Ortiz’s signing was only a “rumor,” and that when he was released from his contractual obligations, the promotion would be interested in signing him.

“Don Trump Jr., myself and Tito engaged in a conversation,” said Michael Cohen, executive vice president of The Trump Organization and special counsel to Donald Trump, who started a business relationship with the promotion in June. “There is nothing substantive that was discussed other than the fact we are interested in sitting down with him, which we're planning on doing in the very near future.”

Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio would not address Ortiz's claims to SI.com that the potential deal would be a “ground-breaking record contract” that included duties outside the ring as well. Atencio said he has not yet spoken with Ortiz.

Ortiz, 33, recently satisfied a multi-fight contract with the UFC. He has served as one of the promotion’s top three draws for the last 11 years. It is believed Ortiz has recently completed a “matching period” that is standard within the promotion’s contracts in which Zuffa can match any rival offers made for the fighter’s services.

Disillusionment between UFC President Dana White and the polarizing Ortiz has been well documented, and the fighter has publicly commented that he would not re-sign with the UFC on numerous occasions.

Ortiz has been here before, however. In 2005, the fighter strongly hinted he would be signing with the now-defunct World Fighting Alliance, only to come to terms with Zuffa’s majority owner, Lorenzo Fertitta, in the negotiation’s eleventh hour.

The December 2006 rematch between Ortiz and Chuck Liddell (Pictures) remains the highest grossing MMA pay-per-view in the sport’s history, reportedly netting more than 1 million buys.

Ortiz (15-6-1) dropped a unanimous decision to Lyoto Machida (Pictures) (13-0) at UFC 84 “Ill Will” on May 24 in Las Vegas, marking Ortiz’s second loss in three fights.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't really care, except that I want Babalu to destroy him..

[Rob]

I don't. Affliction needs it's big stars winning fights and pulling in crowds to help create competition.

[The CyNick]

whoever wins, they will be out of business soon enough

[The CyNick]

Been chatting to him from about the week after Owen Hart died.

Definitely going Vegas next May and I know Fritz is going. Hopefully Dickerman and Vito too.

I'm not on the BTR board now but they were cool as fuck on that when it was the old board too. And the Properly Promoted board. Loose Cannon and Cynick have both posted there too.

Yeah that was a good board. PP was alright too. I generally just follow Rob around wherever he goes.

[Innovator]

The BTR board right now has the best thread ever, an example of it

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4107/mariacu7.gif

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2316/fightnutsfu3.gif

[Rob]

Yeah that was a good board. PP was alright too. I generally just follow Rob around wherever he goes.

F4W boards have been dog shit recently.

[Kris P Lettus]

Spencer Fisher vs Melvin Guillard at UFC 90

MMAWeekly.com on Monday confirmed that Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweights Spencer “The King” Fisher and Melvin “The Young Assassin” Guillard will face each other at UFC 90 in Chicago on Oct. 25.

Both fighters have received bout agreements and are in the process of signing them.

Fisher, 32, is coming off a tough decision victory over sometime training partner Jeremy Stephens at the Ultimate Fighter Finale on June 21. The durable Miletich Fighting Systems fighter has won seven out of 10 performances in the Octagon since debuting at Ultimate Fight Night 2 in 2005. Though he slid against contenders Frankie Edgar and Hermes Franca in 2007, Fisher has always been considered among the top-tier in the division.

Guillard, 25, has had mixed results in the UFC after debuting on the second season of “The Ultimate Fighter.” The New Orleans native has faced a variety of personal issues outside the cage, despite several impressive performances since debuting at The Ultimate Fighter 2 finale in 2005. Guillard’s recent dispatch of Dennis Siver at UFC 86 was quick and explosive, two words that are often attributed to him.

Fisher’s trainer, Pat Miletich, is none too happy about the match-up.

“Spencer has no reason to fight that guy,” Miletich said. “I don’t think Melvin’s earned the right to fight him yet. I think Spencer should be fighting somebody where he’s got something to gain.”

Still, Miletich is confident that his student will emerge victorious.

“Spencer obviously would be the favored guy,” he continued. “Melvin’s a dangerous kid, but I don’t think Melvin’s a polished fighter at Spencer’s level.”

Fisher and Guillard were unreachable for comment.



Fuck Miletich and I hope Melvin beats Fishers ass..

[The CyNick]

F4W boards have been dog shit recently.

Yeah, I feel like I cursed the place or something. It seemed like it was cool before, not a big fan of the whole splitting it up thing.

[Rob]

It was headed a bit shit but the split turned it completely.

[Rob]

What others are you on?

[Kris P Lettus]

Post the actual links you guys are talking about..

[Kris P Lettus]

mmaturf.net is the only mma board I frequent.. It was a spin off of mmashare.. Some of the mods got sick of the shitfest that is mmashare and made a new board with the best members.. It still small but it growing all the time.. Plus they have all the vids that share has..

[Stickman]

mmanews.com

[Rob]

Post the actual links you guys are talking about..

www.f4wonline.com It's the new merged Observer/F4W site.

www.betweentheropes.com

Both boards are subscription only. For the audio content and the fact you both the Observer and Figure Four Daily online, it's worth the money for me. I'll probably subscribe to BTR too at some point.

[The CyNick]

What others are you on?

I try to weed through the crap on Sherdog and post, but I find that board to be like wrestling boards in the mid-late 90s, where everything comes down to WWE vs WCW or in this case Zuffa vs the world.

Thats it right now. I have been posting the odd thing here on the wrestling forum, because I have been watching RAW a little more. But I dont watch the PPVs or SD, so its tougher than back in the day.

Nowadays I really only like places that talk about MMA.

[Kris P Lettus]

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Mir talks about Lesnar about 6 minutes in..

[Reavant]

I had one of the coolest conversations last night. So my buddy Titus Campbell fought Ricco Rodriguez last night. Oh and it was his first pro fight ever! He actually did pretty good and could have beat him but he got caught in a sub.

Anyway on the way there and on the way back I was in the car with Gideon Ray. The whole time he was just sharring stories and experiences about everything, but the shit he said about the UFC and the Ultimate fighter were unreal.

I dont have time right now to list all the stuff, but he had some awsome stories about the pranks that were pulled in the fighter house but then he has some serious horrer stories about the type of shit that the UFC pulls on people.

One thing that was rediculous was Mikey Burnett actually broke his neck in practice and he was told after the show that the UFC would pay for his surgury, and after the show they told him they wouldnt, and gideon taked to him recently... two years after the show and he still has a broken neck and cant fight anymore. Apparently he has to hussle private sessions for people to learn fighting oand shit like that just to make a living.

Ill put the other stuff later.

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn, that sucks for Burnett.. Gideon is the man, cept the last time I saw him, he was getting dominated in IFL..

Tito and Jenna are having a baby, FYI..

[Kris P Lettus]

Oh yeah and Mir was wrong about Herring "going the distance" with Fedor.. The fight was stopped at the end on the first (10:00 mins) due to a cut..

[Kris P Lettus]

UFC 87: Seek & Destroy:

Main Card

Georges St. Pierre vs. Jon Fitch for UFC Welterweight title
Brock Lesnar vs. Heath Herring
Kenny Florian vs. Roger Huerta
Demian Maia vs. Jason MacDonald
Manny Gamburyan vs. Rob Emerson

Undercard

Cheick Kongo vs. Dan Evensen
Tamdan McCrory vs. Luke Cummo
Chris Wilson vs. Steve Bruno
Tomasz Drwal vs. Andre Gusmao
Jared Rollins vs. Ben Saunders

*All fights officially confirmed by UFC.com.

I'm taking Kenflo, Lesnar, and GSP to win..

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Hesitantly going with Huerta, going with Brock out of personal bias plus I think he's too much for Heath, going GSP as well. Fitch is amazing but I just can't see him pushing GSP more than anyone else SHOULD have.

[Rob]

I heard some of the stories about TUF4 and Mikey Burnett's injury. All I'm saying he this was the same dude getting drunk running head first into walls. That's both impressive and smart when you have a broken neck.

UFC Predictions - GSP, Herring (heart says Lesnar) and Florian.

[Fabien Barthez]

I think Florian, Herring, GSP.

I think they are all so unpredictable though. So pumped for Fitch/GSP. If GSP dominates here, he has to legitimately look towards Anderson Silva. And that is without a doubt the fight I'd most like to see right now.

Any streams? I get Setanta Sept 21st. Happy day.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I like these stats they're doing. Very interesting numbers to actually see.

[Danny Electric]

Watching it live on Setanta.
Anyone know the outcome of the Cummo fight, always like to see how he does since TUF2.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Awesome, Awesome, Awesome first round.

You can definitely tell their in Minnesota. Wrestling towns appreciate the ground game more. If this was in Vegas the crowd would be booing.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Jason just impressed the fuck out of me, I can't believe he worked out of that triangle among the other holds.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Great way to open the card. Awesome first match.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I'm such a Huerta mark. lol. Ever since hearing his story and meeting him once (genuinely cool fucking guy) i've been a huge mark for him. Hope he wins tonight.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Damn, Huerta has a jaw like no other but I just don't know if he was there tonight. Like, Kenflo seemed to impose his will. Little eye opening for me I suppose.

Huerta is going to be a big deal given some time though.

[Danny Electric]

I just looked up and the fight was already finished.

[CSL]

I know jack shit about UFC, don't really have an interest in it but I had to go in the front and watch the Brock fight. Herring got fuuuucked up. I love how Brock seems to have some showman left in him

[Reavant]

I heard some of the stories about TUF4 and Mikey Burnett's injury. All I'm saying he this was the same dude getting drunk running head first into walls. That's both impressive and smart when you have a broken neck.

UFC Predictions - GSP, Herring (heart says Lesnar) and Florian.

ill post more about what he said and stuff but its late and im tired

[Destor]

Lesnar.

[Innovator]

Poor Heath

[Kris P Lettus]

Lesnar looked much more poised than the last fight.. Pretty good stand up.. Punches looked very crisp and nice to see him throwing in leg kicks.. Dominant GnP even though he never shank in hooks while having Herring back..

He should grow a big gnarly beard..

[Reavant]

Hes too big to be throwing hooks in, and herring would hae escaped the possition had he tried.

[Kris P Lettus]

He did fine just riding his back.. The only thing that worried me was he never really tried to finish.. Awesome GnP and he remained in a dominant position like 98% of the fight, it's just he never really went for a sub or anything..

[Crimson]

Yea Brock needs alota work on submission attempts.

Huerta didn't look himself but that's credit to Kenflo I suppose..I thought he had won the 1st round but couldn't do shit in the last 2.

And GSP is still the man..Fitch is one tough sob he lasted all 5 rounds. He looks like a future champ in the division.

[Reavant]

I think brocks arms are too big to choke anyone. Seriously.

[Rob]

Much respect to Fitch, Herring and MacDonald. All fucking warriors. Lesnar looked amazing aside from a severe lack of submission skills. Also answered a hell of a lot of questions. GSP and Penn has to happen now. There is nobody at 170lbs except Thiago Alves left really. Rob Emerson is now also one of my favourite fighters purely for knocking that greasy Armenian into next week.

[Splaya]

Maybe it was just me but it looked like Brock tired out near the end of the fight, especially in the 3rd round

[Splaya]

Yeah Rob I agree, Jon Fitch is the man even though he didn't win. The beating he took was not the worst by far but it still ranked up there

[Impact!]

I'd pay to see GsP face Thiago Alves tbh

[Rob]

I couldn't give a fuck about watching Jon Fitch until last night. He got over more losing than he ever could have winning.

[RP]

ROFL his face was so fucked up. I'm sorry, but i saw nothing positive about Jon Fitch getting man handled by a frenchie for 5 rounds.

[Rob]

You mean aside from GSP not being able to finish him?

[RP]

Who cares? He dominated the guy. You wanna give the guy props for not being rendered unconcious? Comon.

[Rob]

I give the man props for taking an arse kicking and refusing to give up.

[Fabien Barthez]

I just got to the end of Lesnar/Herring, since this is the first time I've had the time to sit and watch it.

Brock was a fucking beast. All his strikes are vicious and powerful. he fucked Herring up with those knees, and his eye was pretty sick.

That being said, I lost a ton of respect for him at the end of the fight. There was no need for the horsing about (MTP) near the final bell, or to laugh in Heath's face when it sounded. I don't recall Frank Mir doing that to him when he was made to look like the worlds biggest chump that night. No class, man.

Right, on to the next squashfest.

[Impact!]

Gotta remember that Herring disrespected him at the beginning of the fight...

[Reavant]

how?

[Innovator]

Herring disrespected him by getting poked in the eye by the ref

[Impact!]

That