MLB Thread

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Even though that fag still hasn't touched home plate

[Evil Vito]

The 2007 Rockies were such a fun story even if they were part of a trend.

2006 Tigers
2007 Rockies
2014 Royals
2015 Mets

Feels like anytime a team that nobody expected to do anything that year makes a charge to the World Series, they always fall at the final hurdle with only the 2014 Royals being competitive in the Series itself.

[Ruien]

2005 White Sox won it though when they were expected to finish last. Jealous Frank? You should be.

[Evil Vito]

Why do I seem to remember the 2005 White Sox being expected to be decent only for them to then blow the expectations out of the water?

Oh and the 2008 Rays can be added to my list, too. They had never even been in the playoffs before that season.

[Ruien]

No idea but they were supposed to be terrible.

[Ruien]

Still wish the Royals would have lost last year. Mess them.

[Evil Vito]

Pomeranz shouldn't be getting to comfortable though. He's likely getting dealt.

Welp, not even 48 hours after this post and Pomeranz is reportedly heading to Boston.

[ClockShot]

Aaron Hill, Brad Ziegler, and now Drew Pomeranz.

Is half of the Boston roster on the DL? Or does Dombrowski got something big going on with all these trades.

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably just wanted to prevent pitching from derailing another season for the Red Sox. Also probably didn't need to make a deal for Hill but more infield depth is good.

Main worry people had when the Red Sox hired Dombrowski was him gutting the farm system that was surprisngly pretty good the past few years just for quick fixes. People still had a bad taste from when Cherrington and Epstein would gut the farm with bad deals.

[Droford]

There will be risks for Boston as well. Their rotation is bad enough that they were desperate enough to take them on. Pomeranz has not been a starter over a whole season since 2012, and he still threw fewer than 150 innings that year.

Last season, mostly in relief, he threw 86 innings. Pomeranz is already at 102 innings in 2016. There has to be some question about how he’ll hold up the rest of the way. He is 27 and this is his first full season as a successful starter. Even if he has the strength to pitch in the rotation the whole year, there’s no telling whether he can keep up the form he’s finally discovered these last three months.


Lol they traded the #14 ranked prospect Anderson Espinoza for a guy that might not be able to stay in the rotation very long

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Love love love the trade. Espinoza is 18, sits mid to high 90s, and is already in single a with an mlb eta of 2019, when he'll be 21. The Padres turned light hitting Yonder Alonso into the #14 prospect in all of baseball.

Add to that the high upside arms they drafted, plus the kid they got for Fernando Rodney, and the future looks so much more bright.

Meanwhile Dombrowski has traded Manny Margot, Javier Guerra, Logan Allen, Carlos Asuaje, and now Anderson Espinoza to the Padres in the last year. For a closer and a guy who's 27 having a career year. The Padres have absolutely fleeced Dombrowski and Boston in raiding their farm.

Think I said the way back during the Kimbrel trade but this is Dombrowski's m.o. Trade the farm for veterans with no regard for the long term. We've seen the position it's put Detroit in and now he's starting to empty out the barrel in Boston.

[Frank Drebin]

Used to live Yonder Alonso. Thought he has a Will Clark like bat.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Thought he was gonna be Mark Grace 2.0. Just never developed even average power.

[poopfromweiner dude]

wimp will never get 100 RBIs

[Nicky Fives]

The more Boston sucks, the happier I get.

[Droford]

You're doing it wrong then

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I like the move. They really needed somebody and they got a guy on a hot streak. Still would like to get another starter.

Seems like the top 4 in the rotation are set for the time being.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I think Dombrowski makes one more move that's a bit more modest to shore up the 5th spot

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Wonder what Baltimore will do about their starting rotation issues.

Also wonder what the Jays plan to do. Easter arms race going to be crazy in the 2nd half.

[weather vane]

No need for a 5th starter. Rodriguez and Buchholz (yuckkk) can fill it just fine. Need a left fielder and a reliever really.

[Droford]

Wonder what Baltimore will do about their starting rotation issues.

Also wonder what the Jays plan to do. Easter arms race going to be crazy in the 2nd half.

Like I suspected..Dylan Bundy is starting Sunday.

The Orioles have no real trade chips available for any noteworthy pitchers who might be available but they might be able to scrounge around the scrap heap guys for someone..

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They have a Hunter Harvey finally healthy. Wouldn't put it past them to shop him.

[Nicky Fives]

Every team needs to get better in the AL East, Jays don't really need a starter, but they do need some insurance in the bullpen and a fringe starter turned into a longman to replace Floyd to eat innings should a starter happen to tank a game.... Jays could use Goins/Barney/Travis as bait for something big as they have lots of depth at 2B.

[Frank Drebin]

Like I suspected..Dylan Bundy is starting Sunday.

The Orioles have no real trade chips available for any noteworthy pitchers who might be available but they might be able to scrounge around the scrap heap guys for someone..

I know someone who can help......
https://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/182711873.jpg

[Droford]

That boat left the station

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The more Boston sucks, the happier I get.

:wave:

Yankees lose! Yankees lose! Daaaaaaaah Yankees Lose!

[DaveWadding]

I know someone who can help......
https://mlblogscrawlyscubs.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/marquis204-41.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Verifying the first half SUPERWIN total:

4/3: Francisco Liriano
4/6: Kenta Maeda
4/14: Jason Hammel
4/18: John Lackey
4/19: Jason Hammel (2)
4/22: Jeff Samardzija
5/1: Clayton Kershaw
5/3: Jake Arrieta
5/11: Noah Syndergaard
5/15: Jose Fernandez
5/15: Dan Straily
5/18: Travis Wood
5/21: Matt Cain
5/22: Madison Bumgarner
5/22: Jerad Eickoff
5/24: Jason Hammel (3)
5/24: Jake Odorizzi
6/2: Madison Bumgarner (2)
6/9: Jorge De La Rosa
6/11: Tanner Roark
6/18: Chris Hatcher
6/25: Drew Pomeranz
6/26: Anthony DeSclafani
7/3: Brandon McCarthy
7/7: Drew Pomeranz (2)

25. Very impressive. Shame Pomeranz left the NL.

[Droford]

Blue Jays on a bit of a slide..

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They peaked too early last year. Should've reserved some of that momentum for 2016.

[Droford]

They have a Hunter Harvey finally healthy. Wouldn't put it past them to shop him.

You jinxed him

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He was shut down after 20 some pitches in a minor league start due to flexor mass soreness
Tommy John time

[Droford]

Question - Zach Britton is 29/29 saves with a less than .70 ERA. In 1992 Dennis Eckersley had 51 saves with a 1.91 ERA and he won the AL Cy Young and MVP. In 2003 Eric Gagne was 55/55 saves with a 1.20 ERA when he won the NL Cy Young.
No chance Britton wins the MVP but I think he has a shot for a the Cy Young

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Absolutely not.

[Droford]

The AL Cy Young contender as this point are slim enough I think he has a shot

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That's because you're a homer. Danny Salazar is having a Cy Young caliber year. Carlos Carasco is up there. Michel Fulmer. Rich Hill. Etc etc. It's not even close guy. Just stop.

[Droford]

Funny You say that because You don't mention Chris Tillman either..who's having a better year than them all

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It's funny because he's not having a better year than any of them. He is perhaps in the conversation, but only because he's on a contending team and because he has an "oooohhh shiny" win-loss record.. But he's not significantly better, if at all, than any of them.

What's funnier is you think he is having a better year based on him being on your favorite team, but think a guy who was a terrible starter now turned one inning reliever is Cy Young worthy.

In a minimum of 70 innings pitched, Tillman is not top 20 in pitcher WAR, according to Fangraphs. He's not in the top 20 in k9. Barely top 20 in ERA by 2/10 of a run
Well out of the top 20 in fielding independent pitching (i.e., he's been lucky/blessed with a good defense). Not top 20 in k%. He's actually 50th in bb%.

So exactly what is Tillman good at that would make you think he's actually Cy Young worthy? Besides wins and losses and the fact that he's happens to play in Baltimore?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

1. Britton
2. Tillman.

ESPN aren't homers.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Did you bother to read how that thing as developed? It's based on how they think the balloting is going to go based on previous voter tendencies. It's not a measure of who should be Cy Young award worthy, but rather, who might be based on how voters typically vote.

It's not the same as saying player a deserves it more than player b based on actual performance.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That's the best indication of how things will go down though. It shows the stats the writers tend to look at as compared to all that Sabermatric junk (except for the victory bonus)

[Droford]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

1. Britton
2. Tillman.

ESPN aren't homers.
Hadn't seen that
Intrtesting

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That's the best indication of how things will go down though. It shows the stats the writers tend to look at as compared to all that Sabermatric junk (except for the victory bonus)

Which isn't the argument. The argument is whether or not he's good enough and why/why not. Not why he might win based on writer bias and trend

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Sabermetrics aren't everything. They're definitely useful in painting the entire picture and give you a little bit extra, but certainly not the be all end all. I do like WAR though, that's a pretty sweet stat that gives us a lot more than we used to get.

Hope Happ is going to be okay after getting smashed in the left forearm with a liner from Smolinski. He was dealing before that, even got to 2 outs in the 6th, Gibby took him out and Chavez came in and gave up both inherited runners. Fucking drives me nuts sometimes. Chavez is a good pitcher too with nice stuff, probably other than Osuna and Grilli, the most consistant arm this year. You literally have one out you need to get and you give up a game tying double to a pinch hitter hitting .250.

Hopefully they pick up a decent bullpen arm.

Going to watch the Jayce play Seattle on Saturday, probably be a good game.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

JA Happ number 6 on that list, Sanchez #8 and i don't see Cory Kluber anywhere lmfao

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The only sabermetric stats I used was WAR and FIP. Everything else are common stats. Like strikeout rates, walk rates, and earned run average. Even on a basic level there isn't a strong argument for Tillman, except his team record and pitcher WINZZ.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

FIP almost seems a tool to discredit guys. WAR is cool as shit BUT I think looking at someone's line offensive and defensively you can kind of just make up your own mind. If someone has 140 RBI I can safely assume he either socks a lot of dingers, mostly with runners on base, or he's really good at hitting with runners in scoring position. I don't think the RBI is that misleading. Someone has to be able to knock runs in, and hitting with runners in scoring position is invaluable.

[ClockShot]

Twins fire GM Terry Ryan............again. It was his second go-around at the position. Was the GM from '94-2007.

And for bit of a funny/sad story. Indians tried to do everything to turn Yan Gomes' season around. Even taking a page out of the "Major League" book and sacrificing a fried chicken. Well, all that didn't work and he's on the DL for a separated shoulder.

[Emperor Smeat]

Former Cardinals scout that got busted for hacking the Astros players database a couple years ago ended up getting sent to jail for almost 4 years.

[Droford]

Cubs starter Jason Hammel had to leave his last start before the All-Star break due to cramps in his right hand. That’s not good. The Cubs have a team doctor, though, and the team doctor told Hammel how to deal with that problem. Stretching? No. Potassium supplements? No.
For my cramps, if it’s a chronic thing, he said, ‘Potato chips,’ because they have a lot of potassium and the sea salt helps retain water. So I focused on that over the break and ate a lot of potato chips, and I think it turned out pretty well. Potato chip prescription … that’s what I’m going to try to go with.”



Cubs team doctor

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mGYpsNpg1bw/hqdefault.jpg

[Evil Vito]

The Mets cannot fucking buy a hit with runners on base. It's incredibly difficult to watch. Asdrubal Cabrera is 0 for his last 28 with RISP. He and Granderson are both hitting over 100 points below their career averages with runners on. It's fucking baffling.

[Evil Vito]

Kevin Long has turned this Met lineup into a team of hackers. They either swing for the fences, try to work out a walk, or strike out/weakly pop out/GIDP trying to do one of those things. Any non-HR hit is by accident.

I don't even know if I can blame Long. It seems he's being directed to coach the team this way. It's Moneyball 101 - batting average is viewed as irrelevant, they never bunt runners over, they never ever steal (David Wright has 3 stolen bases and is still the team leader), and defense is viewed as largely unimportant.

And of course ironically the one guy who was so bad defensively that even Sandy Alderson didn't want him ended up turning into the best hitter in baseball. Fucking hell what a nightmare.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Murphy's got a bit of a swagger to him too. LOL and he made a great play during the all star game on defence.

Don't worry, when Eddie E goes to Boston, he'll be making the Jays pay for about 6 or 7 years.

[Evil Vito]

lol yeah. Murph was showboating after routine double plays in the last series in Queens...and it was so bad I reached the point where I wanted someone to plunk him just because pitching to him regularly wasn't working.

But then they did that Stand Up to Cancer thing and he wrote "Sandy Alderson" on his placard and it made me remember I can't totally hate him :(

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I know this question is late to the party, but how did Tim Lincecum lose his mojo?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lost his velocity. Once that happened his fastball was just a flat offering.

[Emperor Smeat]

Doesn't he also have some sort of serious medical condition which meant his career was going to get affected a lot sooner than normal?

Think his pitching style was meant to help overcome that issue but at the same time also means he'd have less quality time in his career as a trade-off.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah his hips don't lie. They have a degenerative condition.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol well it's friggin commendable that he's still PITCHING in the big leagues with a degenerative hip condition.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yep and its not like he hasn't had a Hall of Fame career already. 3 Time World Champ, 2 time Cy Young, 2 no hitters.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Red Sox win! 1/2 game down in the ALE right now. Porcello Cy Young stock rising.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jays win too. Sanchez with another great game. Great to have a groundball pitcher, who can consistently garner groundballs and get out of jams with double plays.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lincecum hasn't had a hall of fame career. He petered out at age 27 and hasn't been even replacement level going on 5 consecutive seasons, after 5 really great seasons.

The world series titles don't make much argument for him either. He was good in 2010 and a bum in the following two titles, to the point that he was relegated to the bullpen because he was terrible and detrimental to winning.

The idea that his hips were the issue is, I believe, a media created narrative that his camp pushed to try and create interest in signing him. I know he was hurt last year. But he seemed healthy enough the previous years as he was tossing over 150 innings in 30 plus games, all of them starts minus 13 appearances in 2014, when he lost his rotation spot due to sucking.

[Lock Jaw]

Am I really immature for laughing every time I hear "Pujols"?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Nope

[Droford]

The whole os team has the Flu which his just great

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

they've certainly been playing like puke a diarrhea :lol:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I kid. They're a good team, sucks that they've been sick. Hate when whole teams catch bugs, kinda makes it super unfair, but not like it's anyone's fault.

[Droford]

How bout that Pomeranz trade for the Sox. 3 ip 8 H 5 Er

[Droford]

I kid. They're a good team, sucks that they've been sick. Hate when whole teams catch bugs, kinda makes it super unfair, but not like it's anyone's fault.

I blame tampas shitty stadium

[Frank Drebin]

Really hope Vogelbach becomes a solid DH. Pulling for him. Hope he hits well for his new team for a week or two and earns a call up after the trade deadline.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How bout that Pomeranz trade for the Sox. 3 ip 8 H 5 Er


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First place.

[Ruien]

Really sucks Baltimore peaked so early.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

How bout that Pomeranz trade for the Sox. 3 ip 8 H 5 Er

Would imagine that Fenway isn't an ideal place for any pitcher, particularly a guy who hasn't spent much time pitching there.

[Emperor Smeat]

MLB currently considering some fan suggestions for ways to speed up games with one targetting relievers and managers having no limits on how many they can use per game. Also as a way to help increase scoring chances near the end of games.

Manfred was a guest Thursday on ESPN's Mike & Mike where he was presented nine suggestions from fans for improving baseball. One suggestion was some sort of restriction on the use of relief pitching in an inning or game.

"I am in favor of something like that," Manfred said. "We (MLB) spend a ton of time on this issue in the last few months."

"You know the problem with relief pitchers is that they're so good. I've got nothing against relief pitchers but they do two things to the game; the pitching changes themselves slow the game down and our relief pitchers have become so dominate at the back end that they actually rob action out of the end of the game, the last few innings of the game. So relief pitchers is a topic that is under active consideration. We're talking about that a lot internally."

[Evil Vito]

I might be done with baseball if they implement something like that. So fucking stupid.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

MLB currently considering some fan suggestions for ways to speed up games with one targetting relievers and managers having no limits on how many they can use per game. Also as a way to help increase scoring chances near the end of games.

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[Droford]

They should implement pitch count limits to hitters. You only get 5 pitches per AB. Game would speed up real fast that way

[Nicky Fives]

I really hate the whole "speed" debate.... the only thing that needs to go faster in baseball is the speed in which the umpires fuck off....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The game moves fine nowadays. Anyone who complains about the speed is not a baseball fan and won't watch once it's made faster.

[Lock Jaw]

Limit batters to 2 crotch grabs per at bat

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and 3 loogies.

[Lock Jaw]

Breaking news: Russell Martin slips in shower. Out of tonight's game, and may miss a few more.

[ClockShot]

Don't drop the soap.

[Droford]

Orioles are back in 1st hopefully they avoid team ravaging flu outbreaks again although they have lost Kim and Rickard to the DL and weiters hasn't played in a week either

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Losing Rickard is addition by subtraction.

[Droford]

He was playing well..I don't wanna hear that

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He sucks. He's a well below average hitter. A well below average defender. Kim has been twice as good if not better in almost half the playing time.

I know you like Rickard but he still sucks. He literally contributes nothing.

[Droford]

Trade rumor o the moment

Ubaldo and a prospect to the Padres for Melvin Upton

The os also scouted Cashner so there might be something to Cashner/Upton for Ubaldo and prospects if They figure out the prosoects6

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Baltimore has a pretty pathetic farm right now. I don't see a ton that may be of interest. However, we shall see.

Moving Upton allows the Padres to bring up Hunter Renfroe. He was one of the only two top prospects the Padres after the great purge of the Padres farm system.

[Droford]

Ubaldo for Upton wouldn't need a big prospect since its a fairly even salary swap. Padres would be ahead about $5 million between remainder of this year and next

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I doubt the Padres would trade a winning asset for a losing one. If they take on Jimenez it's likely to net a bigger prospect return.

[Droford]

Nelson Cruz beat the Jays 7 - 5

[Droford]

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The Miz wearing an Orioles jersey when they play the Indians seems weird/awkward

[ClockShot]

Chris Sale had a "pre-game incident" and was scratched from today's start.

According to sources, it had nothing to do with a trade, but with an argument with the front office.

[Droford]

Chris Sale cut up all the throwback jerseys before the game because he didn't want to wear them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not a joke: Source says Sale blowup was because he didn't want to wear throwbacks, so he cut the jerseys up so no one could wear them.</p>&mdash; Tommy Stokke (@StokkeTommy) <a href="https://twitter.com/StokkeTommy/status/757000213731037184">July 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Were they from the Black Sox era?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It'd be obscenely hilarious if they were.

[Droford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcqEsonWoAI33jL.jpg

1976 season

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">reporter: what are you gonna do with all the unsold throwback jerseys?<br><br>White Sox: we're gonna put them<br><br>reporter: don't<br><br>White Sox: ON SALE</p>&mdash; Bic Pentameter (@AnthraxJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnthraxJones/status/757023933640142849">July 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No Sale for Sale though. They are asking for 5 prospects.

[Droford]

How about David Price

5 runs 11 hits in 5 ip

He's not waiting til the postseason to suck

[ClockShot]

Yankees are close to dealing Aroldis Chapman.

As long as they get a good haul or prospects, I'm cool with it.

#TeamSell

[Evil Vito]

Chapman is strictly a rental so there's no chance a team is going to give up the kind of monster haul like what Boston gave up for Kimbrel, who has several years left on his contract.

That said my gut says he goes to Washington and I really hope Cashman can pry one of the Nats' top 5 prospects away. The Mets have no chance of winning the division this year so I'm fine having the Nats lose a potential stud for a rental in Chapman.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Do they need Chapman? Papelbon is having a solid year.

[ClockShot]

Cubs are in the mix, too.

Andrew Miller is safe.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jays released Drew Storen. How depressing.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Sucks. Hope the Padres pick him up and he bounces back ala Fernando Rodney.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's a damned shame. Really feel for the guy, but it seems like it's all in his head.

[Evil Vito]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoJm8ZGWcAEKhLG.jpg

:love:

[ClockShot]

Hal's reportedly being a dick and hasn't given Cashman the a-ok to sell off the veterans. :fu:

Although the Indians, Nats, Cubs, Rangers, and the ever popular "mystery team" are in the mix for Chapman.

Cubs High-A club scratched their Shortstop from that game tonight, don't know if that's a sign of things to come.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The more I think about it, the Chris Sale story is fucking amazing. What a complete meltdown lmfao, but also, what a total champ. Almost Costanza-esque in nature.

[Droford]

Guess who has the best record in the AL...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The more I think about it, the Chris Sale story is fucking amazing. What a complete meltdown lmfao, but also, what a total champ. Almost Costanza-esque in nature.

It's great but it should have been avoided. The talent said the uniform was uncomfortable and could have affected the way he pitched. He was upset that the team seems to favor selling jersey over winning. An ace should be given whatever he wants within reason. This is within reason. White Sox have a history of being cunts. This will lower what they can trade Sale for. So, the real losers are them.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I doubt it hinders his trade value at all. He's signed on the cheap for 4 more years I believe. What he did was stupid and childish, but a team isn't Gibbs suddenly think he's worth less. The ChiSox are still in full leverage mode in dealing him.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, that's nowhere close to lowering his trade value.

[ClockShot]

Thanks, Cubs.

[Simple Fan]

I don't blame Sale those uniforms are wack.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I do wonder when dro will realize he doesn't in fact play for Baltimore.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Not sure if I hate people more when they say say WE or the people who complain about people who say WE about sports teams.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Not sure if I hate people more when they say say WE or the people who complain about people who say WE about sports teams.

I don't care about "we", it is more his smug self satisfaction as though he himself has led Baltimore to the top. Hell, be excited, but his "I told you so" nature when nobody has really argued with him about Baltimore.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It's more of the smug "I told you so" combined with the constant short changing of other teams and then making excuses for the Orioles are trying to downplay their failures. He's the worst kind of fan.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He also seems to think we all despise the Orioles. I mean, as divisional rivals I root against them, but beyond that I don't have much against them. They are formidable opponents for any team and I hope they lose so the Jays can reach the top of the division.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Lol Damo, did you see Dickerson's homer lastnight? Fuck me, that's the closest thing in mlb to a pitcher getting posterized. First 5th deck blast in a long time.

[ClockShot]

Blue Jays get Melvin Upton Jr. from the Padres for Hansel Rodriguez.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Padres apparently picking up most of his salary

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I indeed saw the homer. What a fucking bomb.

Like the Padres/Jays trade. Rodriguez isn't as polished or talented as the last two kids they've acquired but he falls right into the high upside raw talent profile Preller and the Padres have targeted this year.

Leave the memories alone, Melvin.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Do you see any upside for the Jays with Melvin Jr.? He seems to be having a "comeback" season with somewhat serviceable numbers. He doesn't seem to walk and strikes out a lot, with lots of speed. I have a buddy who is fucking furious with the trade, because he thinks Upton is crap as well as a locker room cancer. What's the word on him out of San Diego? Is it a kind of good riddance sort of thing?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Depends on how they use him. He's an offensive upgrade over Pillar. But is lesser defender in center. If they feel that the loss of d is worth it then he's a nice pick up. Really he's a good grab for them anyways. Solid bat with plus d in a corner and good base runner on the cheap.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Pillar isn't gonna lose his spot.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He was a popular presence as far as I've heard. Personally I loved him. I hated the acquisition initially but he's turned back into his old self and is an exciting player to watch.

[Droford]

I do wonder when dro will realize he doesn't in fact play for Baltimore.

I subscribe to the Mark Patrick philosophy which is fans don't say we unless you're a Packers fan with a share of stock in the team.

As for everything else in just enjoying re fact the Orioles are 1 game behind the Cubs for best record in all of Baseball when 98% of all the so called "smart" people had them winning about 75 games which they're on pace to do in anout 3 weeks.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Be excited and not smarmy. Of course you're excited, they are your team, but stop acting like you yourself have accomplished something and trying to rub in in everyone's faces.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And stop with that shit bag excuses for your team when they fall short or players you like suck. Its not that you're excited for your team, it's that your such a smug ass hat about it and not only try to short change other teams, but put on blinders for your team.

A little objectivity goes a long way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

ps. if the Jays lose tonight it's all because of Melvin Upton Jr. sabotaging them as one last favour to his old squad :shifty:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lmfao I rage quit the game after Chavez gave up the home run cuz the Jays weren't hitting. I can only assume me watching the game was a hex.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What's the score? Once the bullpen blew the game I put on Mickey Mouse for my daughter.

I'm convinced the best way to tank but not make it blatantly obvious is to just assemble a really shit bullpen.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jays won 7-6 on a wild pitch.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Both teams were decidedly shit. Padres have "something" with their hitters, even some half decent pitching, but yeah, that bullpen isn't so hot. Welcome to the club, lol

[Damian Rey 2.0]

At least you guys are in it lol. Honestly I'm glad the Padres are losing. Gives them a better draft spot and higher bonus pool. The current roster isn't going to win. The sooner they turn it over and get the young prospects they do have the better.

[ClockShot]

Blue Jays & Mariners swap closers.

Drew Storen for Joaquin Benoit.

[Evil Vito]

They traded crap for crap with each team hoping the crap they traded for tastes better than the crap they traded away.

[Evil Vito]

Pretty sure ClockShot would roll out of bed in the middle of the night to post a trade update here if one popped up on his phone.

[ClockShot]

Doubt it. My phone sucks.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

As proven by Jason Grilli and Fernando Rodney, bullpen guys are weird. A change in atmosphere can do wonders (or the opposite) for their performance.

Jays are hoping their track record of getting guys who were kind of meh in Seattle but good for them proceeds.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Relievers in general are historically volatile in year to year performance and incredibly difficult to project. It's why I think trading or signing them are unneeded risks. Yes, there's always a Chapman or Kimbrel. But those guys are rare for a reason.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well you need to get those bridge guys somehow.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like I can't be too hard on Familia given that he was 36 for 36 in save chances and hadn't blown a regular season save in almost a calendar year. But fuck me was this ever a bad time. Against a Cardinals team they're fighting for the Wild Card and right after Cespedes bailed out the team with a late HR. And to allow Yadier Molina to fucking kill them again just like he has ever since 2006.

[Evil Vito]

Speaking of Cespedes...I'm back on the same bandwagon I was last August. Just give the man whatever he wants. I may be done with this franchise altogether if they let him walk. He's literally the entire offense and I'm at the point where I don't even care if he sucks at the end of his deal. The dude can fucking mash and for the next few years while all the pitchers are still here it's worth it.

[Evil Vito]

Aaaaaand Familia blows his second save in 24 hours after not blowing one in almost a year. And the Mets score only 1 run to waste another brilliant effort from deGrom.

I'm done for the year. Fuck this shit. Would 100% support them getting booed out of the stadium.

[weather vane]

Come on Sox. Need a BIG one from Price tonight.

[Droford]

Price will give up 5 runs in like 3 innings

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Can you explain why you hate David Price so much? You fucking weirdo.

Anyways, Damo, somewhat tongue and cheek here because I'm sure logistically there is nothing that could make this happen... but after this past 3 game series, the Jays should go out of their way to figure out how to acquire Dickerson... seems like he enjoys hitting at the Rogers Centre, and 81 games a year there would probably do him good. His minor league stats are also fucking ridiculous. You guys may have yourselves a diamond in the rough. Though he could fizzle like anyone else, but damn he looked dangerous.

[Droford]

David Price has been on 3 AL East Teams so he's pitched a lot 's the Orioles but he's over rated now and it suits the Red Sox just fine to overpay for him.

[RP]

Really hoping the Cubbies cut Chris Sale up tonight...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lol he's overrated yet he's easily better than all of 2 pitchers on the Orioles. Yeah.

As for my Dastardly friend. I actually think Dickerson could be moved. In the off-season. The Padres have a corner outfielder with similar tools but a higher upside so I don't think it's outta the realm of possibility.

I like what he's show do far.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

David Price has been on 3 AL East Teams so he's pitched a lot 's the Orioles but he's over rated now and it suits the Red Sox just fine to overpay for him.

Are the Orioles overpaying Chris Davis and his mediocre offense? What about Adam Jones and his below average offense AND defense? Those underperformers overrated? Because right now their overall contribution to hitting/run production isn't much if at all better to David Price's pitching/run prevention. Which is average at best.

[Droford]

Neither of them are being paid $30 million to play 35 games

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Not what I was asking. Are they overpaid based on their production this year, yes or no?

[Droford]

Jones is hitting .268 with 19 HR and 59 RBI for $14 mil
I have no problem with that since its very close to his career averages (.277 27 and 87)

Chris Davis is .223 with 22 HR. He's in the midst of a 1 forv28 drought which was wrapped around him missing 3 days and being in the hospital with the stomach virus. When he shakes the drought he's a streaky enough hitter he could still hit 35+ hrs. Overlooked though is his defensive play he's one of the top 1B in the AL. 17 million sounds like a lot..then you realize Mark Teixeira is making. $19 million and hitting .190 with 9 homers. Prince Fielder is out for the year making $23 million with even worse stats..

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Are you unable t answer the question? They're both at best average offensive players. Are average offensive players worth $16 and $23 million a year? Or do you think that's an overpay for AVERAGE OFFENSIVE PLAYERS, one of which is a below average defender.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't know if you know this Droford, but outs are bad and the rate at which you so something is far more important than than the sum at which you do it.

[Droford]

The Orioles are going to win the AL East. The only team that remotely scares me is Toronto and their pitching staff is worse than the Os..a 41 year old coming off knee surgery and their "ace" has thrown less than 180 innings total in the last 2 years. Ooooh I'm shaking in my shoes

How are the Orioles going to win the East when they're fielding the same team as last year with maybe one moderate improvement and didn't make not one significant upgrade?

Just like 2014

Lots of offense, average pitching, great defense and bullpen

Your blind homerism knows no bounds.

Ill bet you the Red Sox finish ahead of them.

I should have taken the bet lol

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Or how about Gallardo? Boy that salary and draft pick loss sure look like a great investment for that sparkling 5.37 ERA.

Boy, that Matt Wieters sure looks like a great investment. Good thing they handed him a free $16 million for his 75 games of mediocrity last year.

Ubaldo Jimenez has sure been a worthwhile investment for Baltimore. That 7.38 ERA sure is helping his team keep Toronto and Boston at bay.

Man good thing Baltimore outbid themselves to land Chris Davis. Gotta think they're happy with a first baseman who's total offense mirrors that of the great Hanley Ramirez and Albert Pujols.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I should have taken the bet lol

Season isn't over yet, you tit. Toronto and Boston are both breathing down Baltimore's neck. Though with your incessant homer comments you'd think Baltimore already clinched.

The disadvantage Baltimore has is it doesn't have neither the money or minor leaguers to nab them a big piece. Something those other two teams have plenty of in one department or the other.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And I take it you're just gonna pretend that your team isn't overpaying Jones or Davis for their mediocre contributions.

[Droford]

I'm back! My phone reset and I forgot my password, and the email I used is an old college account. So, from the ashes rises Damian Rey 2.0.

First off, congrats Vito on signing Cespedes to a stellar deal. We've discussed defense in center but you don't pass up that kind of contract.

As for Baltimore, I think Droford is forgetting the Orioles are worse roster wise than last year, have zero pitching and still need outfield help while the rest of the division either improved or only slightly declined.

The Orioles will be likely last place this year barring a catastrophe.

Trumbo is barely a league average player. He's not going to make much if any difference what so ever. He's not a very good player.

You can't just graph international players' numbers and say "oh if he comes close" because the league he was posting those numbers in isc the equivalent of AA or AAA at best. He's not going to be facing the same inferior talent.

Can you name even 10 guys in the least 20 years who came over from Japan or other country who came over here and hit like gangbusters? Can you name even 5?
Trumbo hitting 30 homers and playing OK defense in RF but yeah he's barely average. He's going to pull a Cruz on the Orioles but hes the 2016 version of 2014 Nelson Cruz.

The Orioles are 7 games better than they were last year through 100 games. Currently have best record in the American League and 4th best behind the 3 nl leaders.

I guess it is a catastrophe. Theres absolutely no way they finish last.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He's average based on what? He's a terrible defensive outfielder. They've limited him to only playing about half his games out there. Had he been out there 100 times he'd be far worse than his numbers indicate.

And it still doesn't answer the question of Davis and Jones being overpaid to be awfully average.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Toronto and Boston are 2 back. You think the Orioles are that much better than them? Are you incapable of crediting other teams? Do you understand objective analyses?

[Droford]

Orioles were only 2.5 ahead of Toronto on 7/28/14

They were also 58-46 vs 58-42 now

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Orioles were only 2.5 ahead of Toronto on 7/28/14

They were also 58-46 vs 58-42 now

Based on that objective analysis, the jays were maybe 2 games over .500 last year b4 they a bombed the division. Doesn't mean fuck all. For all you know, Yanks could make a huge run.

[Droford]

Orioles are going to at least win 2 of 3 in Toronto this weekend. Probably Friday and Sunday

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Orioles are going to at least win 2 of 3 in Toronto this weekend. Probably Friday and Sunday

It's a possibility. Jays aren't hitting that great. Baltimore also just dropped a series to the woeful Rockies and are currently losing to the even more woeful twins.

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox bullpen has been horrible these past few games. Price actually pitched really well tonight and got nothing to show for it.

[poopfromweiner dude]

Honestly droford i bet the yankees finish with a better record than the oriole

I'll aviatar bet your ass

[weather vane]

I should have taken the bet lol

I'll still bet you.

[Evil Vito]

Another Marlins and Padres trade:

Padres get:
1B Josh Naylor
RHP Luis Castillo
RHP Carter Capps
RHP Jarred Cosart

Marlins get:
RHP Andrew Cashner
RHP Colin Rea
RHP Tayron Guerrero

[Droford]

I don't think the Orioles are going to make any trades

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Love the Padres deal. Have to say I'm very happy with the direction of the team and the front office's aggression in moving out players.

Not sure why Baltimore wouldn't try to facilitate any moves. They're in dire need of pitching and adding an extra league average or better outfielder would do them well. It's great that their pen is lights out but you can't lean on that all year. They need innings from at least one more guy.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm shocked that Gallardo isn't working out for them. I know he's not super all star or anything, but he's always been a solid hand from what I can see. He'll still give the blue jays fucking fits though. They can't hit his soft stuff.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Red Sox bullpen has been horrible these past few games. Price actually pitched really well tonight and got nothing to show for it.

Fairness to Ziegler... as a closer generally shouldn't be giving up 2 runs... but a 1-0 lead in the ninth means the offence didn't do the job. Honestly feel like if your SP puts up a 0 through 8 innings, it shouldn't come down to your closer.

[Droford]

The Padres wanted Gausman for Pomeranz which was never going to happen

[Droford]

LOL Manny just scored from 1st on a ball hit to 2nd

[McLegend]

I'm at the game right now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Good game. Fun to watch, love how calm estrada is under pressure

[Evil Vito]

If the Mets wind up trading Amed Rosario or Dominic Smith for anybody I am going to fucking scream.

There is no point whatsoever in this team being buyers. They are 4 games under .500 since April ended and couldn't hit water if they fell out of a fucking boat.

[Evil Vito]

If anything, they should be seeing if they can get anything for impending free agents having strong years like Colon or Jerry Blevins. Trade Neil Walker if anybody wants him and call up Dilson Herrera. It's time to punt this season away and start focusing on next year.

Be ready to give a blank check to Cespedes or else Citi Field will go back to being a fucking morgue in 2017.

[McLegend]

I'm going to Blue Jays/ Orioles game again tomorrow afternoon.

[Lock Jaw]

My family will be there too.... say hello for me....

Glad they won today....

[poopfromweiner dude]

Honestly droford i bet the yankees finish with a better record than the oriole

I'll aviatar bet your ass

I don't think the Orioles are going to make any trades

The Padres wanted Gausman for Pomeranz which was never going to happen

LOL Manny just scored from 1st on a ball hit to 2nd

hes so scared

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hope the Jays win today only so Droford could make the excuse that the whole team came down with a case of small pox pre-series.

[Ruien]

Do you think Droford is like this in real life? Wold despise sitting near him at a baseball game. Seriously Droford, NEVER take a female to a baseball game with you. She will leave you forever.

[McLegend]

My family will be there too.... say hello for me....

Glad they won today....

It will be hard to find them since there is a large Asian population... I will do my best though.

[McLegend]

I'm in really good seats. Basically next to the ball boy on first base side front row.

[Droford]

Do you think Droford is like this in real life? Wold despise sitting near him at a baseball game. Seriously Droford, NEVER take a female to a baseball game with you. She will leave you forever.

I took my then GF to Matt Wieters first game back in 09 and it was not fun mainly because it rained a lot prior and we got wet..I remember Dontrell Willis itched for the Tigers he gave up 7 runs in 5 inning..Luke Scott hit 2 homers

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Gallardo really earning that paycheck today. Solid outing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol. Will say the Jays are lucky to be catching a slumping Os team. I think they'll be tough tomorrow to close out the sweep. Nice ot have taken at least 2 of 3 though, very relieving as a fan :p

Will say, so J.A. Happ has to possess the best value as a pitcher in the bigs right now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Wondering if the Jays can make a move at the deadline worthy of note. I know they want Rich Hill but there's question mark with the blistered finger and I don't know who they can give up and if it'd be worth it. I could definitely see him ending up somewhere else.

Os need something resembling starting pitching. Tillman can't be the only guy pitching well and Gausman is clearly a little bit inconsistent albeit pretty nasty.

[McLegend]

Why didn't they keep dome closed? I got ridiculous sunburn. Wasn't even hot I baked in the sun.

My forehead is purple.

Sucks it was a bad game, but fun overall

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

9-1 for the home team in a packed stadium sounds like a fun day to me. Lol I went to the 14-5 Seattle game, haha now that was fucking brutal... still fun though. Stadium is so much nicer than it used to be.

[RP]

WOOOOOW Chapman you fucking bum!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Braves and Padres closing on swapping resident woman abuser Hector Olivera for out machine iron glove extraordinaire Matt Kemp.

Ideally it'd be an even swap and the Padres can dump Olivera. Or even eat maybe half of Kemp's remaining contract. Meanwhile it opens the door for their outfield prospect Hunter Renfroe. Renfroe hasn't walked at all but he's got plus power and rates well in the field and on the bases. That's a huge improvement over lame duck Kemp even if Renfroe hits at an average clip.

[Emperor Smeat]

Nationals-Prates trade:
Nats get Mark Melancon
Pirates get Felipe Rivero and a prospect (Taylor Hearn)


Remember Melancon being a huge bust for the Red Sox a few years ago and the only real bright side to his very short time there was the trade that brought Brock Holt to Boston. Good for him that his career rebounded pretty well since then.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Pirates did a nice job of getting quality for 2 months of a closer.

[DaveWadding]

Anyone remember when Matt Kemp was a perennial MVP candidate?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

No because he was only that for one year, then got hurt, and never got back to that level.

Thank God he's gone. And they're saving about half his contract. I'll take that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

On a good team that guy is useful. Low obp tho.

[Evil Vito]

Lucroy to the Indians. Fuck.

Was sounding like the Mets were really close to landing him. I don't think he'd have turned this team around but he had a 2017 option so he'd have been a nice add and he'd have allowed us to dump the bust that is Travis d'Arnaud.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

On a good team that guy is useful. Low obp tho.

Oxymoron. It's different for a guy like Melvin Upton, who's a solid base runner with good defense. Kemp doesn't provide any of that and he's an out machine. Glad he's gone.

[Evil Vito]

Indians continue to wheel and deal, trading for Andrew Miller. This comes just days after the Yankees refused Andrew Miller for Lucas Giolito straight up as the team felt Miller had more value given that he's signed for 2 more years.

Actually, that tells me there's about an 80% chance the Yankees already had a pocket deal in place with Chapman to re-sign him this offseason.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't think they're gonna resign Chapman. I'd have taken Giolito for Miller straight up.

[Evil Vito]

Oh fuck Lucroy has vetoed the Indians trade!!!

Sandy get on the fucking phone RIGHT NOW.

[ClockShot]

YES! YANKEES ARE IN SELL MODE! Although sending Andrew Miller packing totally was unexpected.

Yankees getting Tyler Clippard back from the D-Backs.

[Evil Vito]

Yanks are going to go balls out in a couple of offseasons. Harper, Machado, Fernandez. Maybe all three.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They've done a great fucking job of acquiring potential major league quality talent.

The a Mets already got denied on a deal for Lucroy. I thought you wanted them to just pack it up?

[ClockShot]

It's about damn time. It's taken a lot of convincing, but we can't win with what we got. Too old, ain't producing like we should be, ain't winning like we should be.


If you're 30 years old and younger, you're safe. Rest of the roster is fair game.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Just a different game. The Yankees can't buy a title anymore. They've needed to go back to developing a core of young controllable players to build around for a while. Seems like they've finally figured that out.

[Evil Vito]

The a Mets already got denied on a deal for Lucroy. I thought you wanted them to just pack it up?

Lucroy is signed through 2017. If the Mets can get him without including Amed Rosario or Dom Smith I'd be all for it.

I don't think Lucroy is enough to turn around this putrid Mets offense but he'd be a really nice guy to have for next year. And if the Mets blow in 2017 you can always trade him.

[Evil Vito]

Supposedly Lucroy nixed the trade because the Indians told him he'd be relegated to 1B, DH, and backup catcher next season. So he asked them to simply rip up his 2017 option so he can be a free agent and they refused.

http://i.imgur.com/SUZw5G3.jpg

Because clearly what the Indians already had is better than Lucroy.

[Droford]

Yanks are going to go balls out in a couple of offseasons. Harper Machado, Fernandez. Maybe all three.

fuck that

[DaveWadding]

Lucroy is ballsy asking them to void his option. Why would they do that?

[Droford]

Tulo hurt his hand out and Jays lost the DH in a 2-2 game in the 8th

Hope they run out of bench players and pitchers

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Droford you are just the worst lol

[Droford]

And the Orioles are back in first place.

People are calling 6'8 Logan Ondrusek from Japan Big Ondrusexy

https://41.media.tumblr.com/155bab02d60f8561116ae0774513c0cd/tumblr_nuunmx5FRl1upi1k5o1_500.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Lucroy is ballsy asking them to void his option. Why would they do that?

Well Lucroy's no-trade list consisted of: Indians, Tigers, Twins, Angels, Athletics, Padres, Mariners and Nationals.

It's such a random as fuck group that I can only assume he has his reasons for not wanting to go to any of those places. He clearly didn't want to go to Cleveland for the long-term, especially with them telling him straight up that Gomes is their catcher next year. I don't blame Lucroy.

[Evil Vito]

Of course Jon Heyman just said that the Mets are totally out on Lucroy.

Fuck me with a pickaxe.

[Droford]

Everyone should tune in to ESPN tonight to see the Cubs reform yet another former Orioles pitcher in Brian Matusz. Good odds he throws an 81 pitch 27 k perfect game

[Droford]

If the Cubs win the World Series they better send Baltimore a thank you card

[Emperor Smeat]

:D What an amazing comeback win by the Red Sox tonight. Down 0-3 with 2 outs in the 9th and scored 5 runs from back-to-back HRs.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mariners-Os trade:
Mariners get a prospect (Ariel Miranda)
Orioles get Wade Miley.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Don't care what anyone says... AL East is awesome.

[Droford]

Hey matusz still sucks

[Droford]

Mariners-Os trade:
Mariners get a prospect (Ariel Miranda)
Orioles get Wade Miley.

Miley is signed next year for $9 mil with team option in 18 for $12 mil

Plus


he’s righted the ship to an extent as of late, pitching to a 3.80 ERA with a 33-to-15 K/BB ratio across his past 47 1/3 innings of work (eight starts). His most recent outing was his most impressive with the Mariners, holding a potent Cubs lineup to a run on hit and a walk with nine strikeouts in seven innings.


Plus no one seems to think Miranda was going to anmount to anything considering he only avg 5.1 innings in AAA.

[DaveWadding]

Wade Miley is the definition of replacement level.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That's still an upgrade over the backend of the rotation.

I'm still waiting for the Padres to finish wheeling and dealing. Been the most fun I've had during a deadline ever.

[ClockShot]

C'mon Yankees. 4 more hours to sell off some more bodies. Get to it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Mets close to acquiring Jay Bruce. Makes no sense. They already have 3 corner outfielders already. And Bruce is not an upgrade over any of them. Really don't get this move.

[Evil Vito]

It makes plenty of sense. Granderson has looked absolutely horrible this year. Conforto is lost at the plate and needs a long stint in Triple A. And Cespedes has been battling a quad injury for months, is playing by his own estimation at 85%, and isn't under contract next year.

I don't love Bruce as a player but he's clearly an upgrade over both Granderson and Conforto right now and at bare minimum he'll give them a controllable bat for next year if/when Ces leaves.

In a perfect world this doesn't preclude Cespedes from being re-signed long term and next year they open with Ces/Bruce/Grandy and they let Conforto play a lot of RF in AAA so they can eventually plug him in for Grandy. Then you have Ces and Conforto playing the corners for 2018 and beyond.

[Evil Vito]

The Mets do have a deal for Bruce but it might fall apart because of the medicals of one of the Mets' prospects. The Reds pulled back a trade with the Jays this offseason for a similar reason.

They're also still working on Lucroy. Man if they got Lucroy AND Bruce I'd totally cum. They'll probably get neither of them though and I'll wind up checking out of 2016 baseball for good.

[ClockShot]

Cashman does it again.

Sends Beltran to the Rangers for Dillon Tate. The #4 pick in last year's draft.

[ClockShot]

Keep 'em going. Less than an hour to go.

[Evil Vito]

If the Mets can't win the World Series this year I'd be fine with Texas finally getting one and Beltran getting a ring. Solidifies his HOF career. Never understood why Mets fans booed the shit out of him everytime he returned as a visiting player. He's the best CF the Mets have ever had.

[Innovator]

Look at Cashman, being a GM.

HOT FUCKING STOVE

[Emperor Smeat]

With the trade deadline fast approaching, the Oakland Athletics and Los Angeles Dodgers pulled off a multiplayer deal early Monday afternoon.

The A's sent outfielder Josh Reddick and left-handed pitcher Rich Hill to the Dodgers in return for pitching prospects Grant Holmes, Frankie Montas and Jharel Cotton.

[Emperor Smeat]

Marlins-Padres swapping 2 players from an earlier deal due to a recent injury with Colin Rae.

Rae goes back to the Padres and in return Marlins get prospect Luis Castillo back.

[Evil Vito]

The Mets do have a deal for Bruce but it might fall apart because of the medicals of one of the Mets' prospects. The Reds pulled back a trade with the Jays this offseason for a similar reason.

Because of this the Mets now had to trade Dilson Herrera for Bruce. AKA the second baseman they felt could become a multi-time All Star and the reason they were more than happy to let Daniel "Ted Williams" Murphy walk.

I was fine getting Bruce. Was even fine trading Dilson if it meant Lucroy. But for Bruce?? Sandy fucked up.

[ClockShot]

Rangers won the Lucroy sweepstakes.

[ClockShot]

MLBtraderumors can't keep up. Teams are really getting this done at the last minutes.

[ClockShot]

Nova's gone.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Overall value Bruce isn't much upgrade over Granderson or even conforto. And they're giving up a player they could use next year. And they still have a giant hole in center. I just don't care for the move.

[Innovator]

Nova back on the clock, deadline approaching aaaaaaaaaaand SEE YA