MLB Thread

[Evil Vito]

No lockout, 5 year CBA has been reached.

Teams will no longer forfeit first round picks for free agents. Items that were heavily discussed including an international draft, 26 man roster, and adjusted September roster rules never came to fruition. Luxury tax thresholds are also set to increase each year.

Pretty much a huge win for the big market teams.

[Evil Vito]

Edwin Encarnacion to the Astros. 5 years, $115 million.

[Evil Vito]

Or not, his agent is refuting it

[Emperor Smeat]

The sides have discussed the possibility of playing games outside of North America during the regular season in future seasons. It isn't known yet exactly where those games would be scheduled, but commissioner Rob Manfred has said publicly he would like to see regular-season games played in London.

Feels like that would be a lot better to do during Spring Training when traveling wouldn't be a big issue than possibly during a season. Either that or right at the start of the season like they do when giving games to Mexico and Japan.

[Droford]

Edwin Encarnacion to the Astros. 5 years, $115 million.

His parrot probably wants 5 million

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turns out draft-pick compensation won't disappear. Teams over threshold lose a 2nd- &amp; 5th-round pick. Under threshold: lose 3rd-round pick.</p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/804151936601751552">December 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

Homefield advantage in the World Series is no longer determined by the All Star Game!!! Thank fuck.

The 15-day DL is also no more, now replaced with a 10-day DL.

Both very good changes, IMO.

[Droford]

How is a 10 day dl better?

[Emperor Smeat]

Homefield advantage in the World Series is no longer determined by the All Star Game!!! Thank fuck.

The 15-day DL is also no more, now replaced with a 10-day DL.

Both very good changes, IMO.

Wouldn't be surprised if MLB missing out on having Game 7 of Cubs-Indians being in Chicago instead played a big role in ditching the homefield advantage stip from the All-Star game.

[Evil Vito]

How is a 10 day dl better?

Means some teams will be less gunshy about putting an injured player on the DL and calling up a replacement. Teams were carrying injured dudes on the roster and playing shorthanded because they didn't want to lose them for a full 2 weeks.

It also resulted in guys coming back from injury faster than they should've and promptly re-injuring themselves.

[ClockShot]

Luxury Tax cap goes a bit higher and higher each year. Hal can finally be happy.

Athletics slowly being phased out of revenue sharing.

[ClockShot]

And the Braves just got Jamie Garcia from the Cardinals for some prospects.

They're really going all out to put butts in the seats come opening day.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Anybody have details about why Oakland is getting phased out?

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems to be due to them getting too many complaints over the years about the amount they were pocketing or claimed to be pocketing instead of investing right back into the team.

Maybe if they were using the money to help invest in a new stadium, it wouldn't be an issue but doesn't seem to be the case either since they have similar problems the Raiders have in the NFL.

[Frank Drebin]

And the Braves just got Jamie Garcia from the Cardinals for some prospects.

They're really going all out to put butts in the seats come opening day.

Worked wonders for the Marlins.

Seems to be due to them getting too many complaints over the years about the amount they were pocketing or claimed to be pocketing instead of investing right back into the team.

Maybe if they were using the money to help invest in a new stadium, it wouldn't be an issue but doesn't seem to be the case either since they have similar problems the Raiders have in the NFL.

Surprised it only happened to them. Wonder how they feel about that.

[ClockShot]

A lot of what I'm reading is that since you got Billy Beane playing "moneyball" and having a dirt cheap payroll, the front office isn't putting the revenue shared money back into the team, and the fact they're in a "large market" (A's pull fans from Giants turf) but stink right now isn't helping.

Large market union reps, if you will, have noticed this and brought it up during negotiations. I think most teams have done something relevant to improve their team one way or another over the years, and Oakland hasn't done nothing yet still collects.

Athletics right now are looking to either get out of Oakland or just get a new building. No such luck yet. They get that, they'll get the money back when the new CBA comes around.

[ClockShot]

Side note. I am bummed out that the home field stip during the All-Star Game got eliminated. Felt like the team's players who were in the mix that point played a little harder.

Oh well.

[Droford]

They should have upped the rosters to 26 but since that required limiting September roster size I get why they didn't.

[Emperor Smeat]

A lot of what I'm reading is that since you got Billy Beane playing "moneyball" and having a dirt cheap payroll, the front office isn't putting the revenue shared money back into the team, and the fact they're in a "large market" (A's pull fans from Giants turf) but stink right now isn't helping.

Large market union reps, if you will, have noticed this and brought it up during negotiations. I think most teams have done something relevant to improve their team one way or another over the years, and Oakland hasn't done nothing yet still collects.

Athletics right now are looking to either get out of Oakland or just get a new building. No such luck yet. They get that, they'll get the money back when the new CBA comes around.

Even the notoriously cheapass Marlins dumped huge sums of money into the team a couple of times to avoid the union and other teams wrath. Sure one time involved duping the state in order to get a new stadium but still counts in the end.

[Nicky Fives]

I'd love for the Jays to trade for McCutchen, an excellent replacement for Bautista... Fowler would be a good get too, but I see him staying in Chicago....

[ClockShot]

Even the notoriously cheapass Marlins dumped huge sums of money into the team a couple of times to avoid the union and other teams wrath. Sure one time involved duping the state in order to get a new stadium but still counts in the end.

Correct.

And they were on their way becoming the team they used to be with Jose Fernandez as the centerpiece of that team, god rest his soul.

Last couple offseasons, Luria has opened the wallet.

[ClockShot]

I'd love for the Jays to trade for McCutchen, an excellent replacement for Bautista... Fowler would be a good get too, but I see him staying in Chicago....

Pittsburgh would be stupid to do so. But I could see them beginning a rebuild process.

Always thought of McCutchen as life long Pirate.

[Evil Vito]

Guess who's still looking forward to the 2018-19 offseason?

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[ClockShot]

Don't want Machado.

Harper's a bit of a headcase. He can stay away, too.

And good god who put that together? Shoddy photoshopping job. Just look at Harper's hat for starters.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why wouldn't you want Manny Machado?

[ClockShot]

We got Miguel Andujar just about ready to go. Cheaper, too.

[ClockShot]

Didi Gregorius is on borrowed time to thanks to Gleyber Torres.

Thanks, Cubs.

[Droford]

Guess who's still looking forward to the 2018-19 offseason?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2895251.1480654727!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/bats2s.jpg

I don't even think Harper is going anywhere but Manny is staying put.

That picture is vomit inducing though..

[Evil Vito]

We got Miguel Andujar just about ready to go. Cheaper, too.

LOL if you're seriously assuming Miguel Andujar is going to be as good as Manny Machado.

[Droford]

Never more appropriate

http://www.knower.org/cc/spidey.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Padres get: RHP Pedro Avila
Nationals get: C Derek Norris

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Look how great Machado looks in pinstripes. Can't wait for him to sign.

And yeah, anybody saying they wouldn't want Machado over any prospect is crazy. He's a beast.

[ClockShot]

Wonder if Norris is just a piece to sweeten the deal for the Nationals to get McCutchen.

[DaveWadding]

Dbacks non tender Beef Wellington and sign Jeff Mathis for 2 years. Dumb move.

[poopfromweiner dude]

Manny machado is a such a little faggit jr arod baby bitch but of course he's going to be a Yankee...

They have way more gays in NY than Baltimore...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

and Jews, don't forget Jews

[Evil Vito]

Carlos Beltran to the Astros. 1 year, $16 million.

[ClockShot]

When Cashman does his traditional jump from a building before the Winter Meetings, it's go time.

Yankees sign Matt Holliday. 1-year, $13 mil.

I'll take it. Might have some pop left in his bat.

[ClockShot]

And the "Today's Era" committee voted in MLB exec. John Schuerholz and everybody's favorite Commissioner, Bud Selig into the Hall of Fame.

[Evil Vito]

Can't really argue with either. Selig made some moronic decisions but at the end of the day he made the owners a boatload of cash, which is the commissioner's primary duty.

Will be funny when Goodell makes the HOF in a few decades.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dodgers signed Rich Hill to a 3 year, $48 million deal.

Giants signed Mark Melancon to a 4 year, $62 million deal.

Aroldis Chapman currently demanding at least 6 years as the basis for any deal to be made.

[ClockShot]

If that's the case, Yankees might not even bother making Chapman an offer. Melancon is off the board now.

Betances just got promoted probably.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yankees shouldn't even be in the running for Chapman. They have a good enough squad now to compete and should be looking to when Machado and Harper hit the market to splurge on free agents, imo.

[Emperor Smeat]

Red Sox picked up the option year for John Farrell meaning he's staying as manager till after the 2018 season.

[Evil Vito]

Sounds like Chris Sale is going to the Nats.

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

Scherzer
Sale
Strasburg

That is goddamn absurd. Fuck me sideways.

[Frank Drebin]

Ill believe it when I see it. The White Sox are not a normal team.

[Frank Drebin]

Here's the thing. The Sox will engage in trade talk, but unless someone offers their top 7 prospects for a guy like Sale, or Quintana for that matter, they're just going to keep going back and forth between two or three teams trying to leverage them all to get the best offer they can, then say "nah" like a flirty cock tease bitch when they do get the best offer.

Too many people with differing agendas going on in the front office. The Rick Hahn side wants to do a long term rebuild like the Cubs did. The farm system has been decimated for 5 years and they have nothing to build with at this time. The Kenny Williams side wants to try to please Jerry Reinsdorf and claim they can compete in a year or two and that they should keep the core they have.

[screech]

Sounds like Chris Sale is going to the Nats.

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

Scherzer
Sale
Strasburg

That is goddamn absurd. Fuck me sideways.

On one hand, I'll have more chances to watch Chris Sale pitch.

On the other hand, god damn you, Nationals.

[Frank Drebin]

Lets wait to see if Droford thinks the trade will happen before we make any predictions.

[Ruien]

Sale needs to be traded. Keep Q though since I love him. Trade Frazier for whatever you can get for him too.

[Nicky Fives]

Steve Pearce to the Jays for 2 years. Puts the nail in the Encarnacion coffin.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Kinda sucks, the Jays couldn't sit and wait for Eddie E to make a decision, they needed to act. So while nobody picked up Eddie and he waited for a deal that seems to not be there, the Jays had to go and pick up dudes as contingency plans. Fuck his stupid agent lol.

[Droford]

Steve Pearce to the Jays for 2 years. Puts the nail in the Encarnacion coffin.
Lol

I like Pearce and all but he can't stay healthy

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He's a good hitter and he's cheap.

I think they really are hoping that Moralys picks up where Eddie left off. In Fairness to Kendrys, with the ability to start hitting away from Kaufman could elevate those power numbers. But he has to stay healthy.

[Nicky Fives]

I live the Pearce signing, anything to get Smoak off the plate when lefties are pitching...With that said, I'd still prefer to have kept EE or worked out a trade with Cincy for Votto....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean it's hard not to trust Atkins/Shapiro (particular Shapiro) given the chicken shit he was able to turn into chicken salad with Cleveland. I don't expect this season to be great, but he seems to be a big picture guy. At the end of the day, the hitting was abysmal last year helped by wonderful pitching, and they have pretty much the same pitching and the hitting won't get worse. Yeah you miss Eddie, but you have to imagine at some point down the line in the next few years they pick up someone else with that same sort of stank on their bat.

[Droford]

I wanna go eww at the thought of Jose Bautista playing for the Orioles.

[ClockShot]

Red Sox went and acquired Tyler Thornburg from the Brewers. And they're now in "talks" with Chicago on getting Chris Sale.

[Nicky Fives]

RedSox need the bullpen help big time, but I'm not sure selling Travis Shaw was the best move to do it.... Moncada/Sandoval fighting it out for 3B in spring training would scare me shitless if I was a fan....

[screech]

Red Sox reportedly trade Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, and 2 more prospects to the White Sox for Chris Sale.

[Frank Drebin]

its real

[Evil Vito]

YES! Thank you Sox.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sale, Porcello, Price. Will be the best three punch since the Braves in the 90s.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No Betts No Bradley No Boagertz no problem!

[RP]

Just a player who might better than those guys, but no bid deal.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just a player who might better than those guys, but no bid deal.

See you in October!

[ClockShot]

All Sale(s) Final.

[ClockShot]

Dombrowski still gotta overpay to replace David Ortiz.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol fuck the BoSox

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If the Jays sign Dexter Fowler I'll consider it a somewhat successful off season. You can't guarantee performance but it's addressing a hole.

[Evil Vito]

Either Mo or Jeter will be the first unanimous HOFer.

BBWAA just passed a ruling today that beginning with next year's vote, all ballots will be made public. So anyone who dares to be "that guy" to not vote for an undisputedly qualified player is going to be chased down to explain themselves.

Shame they didn't have this in place when Junior got screwed out of 100%.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cue Droford to come in here and sully Boston and Sale while talking up the Orioles signing scrubs and trying to say Joey Rickard is good at anything baseball related.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rather the Sox kept Shaw than think Panda would be a better choice for 3rd base but beefing up the bullpen was a great move. Also gives them some insurance whenever Kimbrel has his stretches of just being awful.


Andrew Marchand ESPN Senior Writer

Yankees GM Brian Cashman calls the Red Sox "the Golden State Warriors of baseball" after Chris Sale trade.
:lol: I wish they were actually that good. Already expecting somehow for the the team to fall apart next season like every other time they've been touted as an offseason champ contender in recent years.

[ClockShot]

BoSox busy day continues with the signing of Mitch Moreland.

Yankees have extended offers to Aroldis Chapman & Kenley Jensen.

[Emperor Smeat]

Sox signing Moreland pretty much confirms the rumors of Hanley being their DH for next season. 1B/3B and the outfield were the two areas where the Sox had a lot of depth at.

[Frank Drebin]

Yes, the Red Sox are a "super team" while the Cubs, the reigning champs and one of the youngest teams in the game, sit here with too many good players to play at the same time and a rotation that cut Jason Hammel, who could be some teams #3 starter.

[Evil Vito]

The Cubs/Red Sox World Series should be fun.

[Evil Vito]

Red Sox single handedly making the Winter Meetings interesting. I can't remember ever hearing this little in terms of juicy rumors this time of year.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Rather the Sox kept Shaw than think Panda would be a better choice for 3rd base but beefing up the bullpen was a great move. Also gives them some insurance whenever Kimbrel has his stretches of just being awful.



:lol: I wish they were actually that good. Already expecting somehow for the the team to fall apart next season like every other time they've been touted as an offseason champ contender in recent years.

Cashman has quite a set to make that claim or amnesia.

[Droford]

I wanna go eww at the thought of Jose Bautista playing for the Orioles.

Orioles prefer to keep draft, too, but to explain why Bautista doesn’t fit, they told JB camp: O’s fans just don’t like him

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 7, 2016

Lol

[Droford]

Cue Droford to come in here and sully Boston and Sale while talking up the Orioles signing scrubs and trying to say Joey Rickard is good at anything baseball related.

How long til he's cutting up Red Sox jerseys? How long til he goes on a rant towards someone on the front office when they do something he doesn't like?

[Evil Vito]

Wilson Ramos to the Rays. 2 years, $18 million

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How long til he's cutting up Red Sox jerseys? How long til he goes on a rant towards someone on the front office when they do something he doesn't like?

Sale is a winner. He's done playing with a bunch of losers holding and dragging him down.

There will be no incidents. He got what he wanted doing that stuff: out of that hellhole.

[Ruien]

Ya. Don't see him messing up if the team is winning. Plus, I doubt David Price would allow that shit in his domain.

[Droford]

Chris Sale has never pitched in the post season which means he has a better post season record than David Price

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Great deal for Tampa on Ramos.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cubs-Royals close to a trade deal which would involve the Cubs getting Wade Davis and the Royals getting Jorge Soler as the basis. Cubs bolted on resigning Aroldis Chapman once he made it public he wanted 6 years for a new deal.


Mariners currently rumored to be interested in a possible trade with the Red Sox for Drew Pomeranz and/or Clay Buchholz. Sox rumored to want a package of prospects or an MLB-ready left handed batter as the basis for those deals.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Is Wright going to be healthy by season start?

[Emperor Smeat]

Marlins rumored to be going after Aroldis Chapman. Marlins owner opening up the checkbook to get him or Kenley Jansen as their top priorities for this offseason.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria has signed off on spending the money to sign Kenley Jansen or Aroldis... <a href="https://t.co/teFCaphuea">https://t.co/teFCaphuea</a></p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/806342889642999808">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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For some perspective on how expensive Chapman will be, already rumored to have an offer for $92 million.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Marlins rumored to be going after Aroldis Chapman. Marlins owner opening up the checkbook to get him or Kenley Jansen as their top priorities for this offseason.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria has signed off on spending the money to sign Kenley Jansen or Aroldis... <a href="https://t.co/teFCaphuea">https://t.co/teFCaphuea</a></p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/806342889642999808">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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For some perspective on how expensive Chapman will be, already rumored to have an offer for $92 million.

Yankees? Only they would overpay for a player they traded cause they were having a fire sale.

[ClockShot]

Yankees have offers out to Jensen & Chapman.

We're just waiting for the first one to say yes.

[Evil Vito]

Wade Davis for Jorge Soler is a complete heist for the Cubs.

Supposedly the Royals demanded Amed Rosario from the Mets, which is laughable.

[Evil Vito]

Terry Collins reverses course, says 2017 might not be his final year before retirement.

https://jimfansunited.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/img_7582.jpg?w=696

[Nicky Fives]

Great deal for Tampa on Ramos.

Anything is better than Hank Conger & Bobby Wilson....

[Droford]

Marlins rumored to be going after Aroldis Chapman. Marlins owner opening up the checkbook to get him or Kenley Jansen as their top priorities for this offseason.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria has signed off on spending the money to sign Kenley Jansen or Aroldis... <a href="https://t.co/teFCaphuea">https://t.co/teFCaphuea</a></p>&mdash; Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/806342889642999808">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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For some perspective on how expensive Chapman will be, already rumored to have an offer for $92 million.

Btittons gonna have to build a loading dock on his house so they can back up the armored trucks to his house

[Droford]

Donald Trump fucks the Blue Jays over when the top tax rate goes down and the difference between playing in Canada and playing in the US goes from not much difference to a big difference. Toronto will have to overpay by a mile just to match US teams offers especially from states with no state income tax where it'll be close to a 20% difference.

[Evil Vito]

Ian Desmond to the Rockies

[Ruien]

Donald Trump fucks the Blue Jays over when the top tax rate goes down and the difference between playing in Canada and playing in the US goes from not much difference to a big difference. Toronto will have to overpay by a mile just to match US teams offers especially from states with no state income tax where it'll be close to a 20% difference.

Assholes need to move to America instead of loser Canada.

[Evil Vito]

Supposedly nobody is interested in Jay Bruce at all, teams view him as a one-trick pony (he is) and everyone wants the Mets to eat money in trade. Grandy however is drawing plenty of interest but he's far more valuable to the Mets than Bruce at this stage.

I'm hoping they can work something out with the Rangers. They need a bat and have a shitload of talented relievers. If they can send Bruce packing for one of them that would be the best case scenario.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ian Desmond deal is head scratching. He was atrocious in the 2nd half of last to a tune similar to his 2015 numbers. Not sure what the Rockies are thinking.

[RP]

I guess Solar could turn into like 75% Vlad Guerrero type, but not really likely. Thats a monster steal for the Cubs. Wade Davis is legit.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He is legit but there's injury risk there. Plus, you're trading a one inning reliever for an everyday player. I'm not saying it's a bad move. There's clearly upside for both ends but it's not a hose job in favor of either club.

[Frank Drebin]

Very happy for the White Sox and White Sox fans that Rick Hahn finally won out. Shame it took, like, 5 years but these are great trades for them. They still have Quintana and Frazier to trade as well.

Today's Sox trade reminds me of when the Cubs traded Cashner for Rizzo. Thinking "WTF? I thought Cashner/Eaton would have brought back a decent piece, but this is insane!"

I hope for the Sox sake, this is as much of a seminal moment as the Rizzo deal was. Some of these guys wind up playing for you for 2-4 years and just as things start to turn around you can't even imagine the team without "insert name"

[Frank Drebin]

I guess Solar could turn into like 75% Vlad Guerrero type, but not really likely. Thats a monster steal for the Cubs. Wade Davis is legit.

He is legit but there's injury risk there. Plus, you're trading a one inning reliever for an everyday player. I'm not saying it's a bad move. There's clearly upside for both ends but it's not a hose job in favor of either club.

Both teams got what they wanted. Cubs traded a player they had no place for for a lockdown closer they don't have to commit 5 years and $80 million to. Royals get another young player with a high enough ceiling for a guy who had 2 stints on the DL with arm issues and who have enough in-house options to fill the now vacated closer role.

[DaveWadding]

Adam Eaton to the Nationals for RHPs Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez, and Dane Dunning. Love Spanky.

[Frank Drebin]

"We lost a leader in Drake" is one of the best sports quotes of all time.

[Evil Vito]

LOL. Adam Eaton is a good player but the Nats overpaid huge for him.

[RP]

The only thing i can think wrong about this Wade Davis trade is that the Royals know he's close to Tommy Johns. Or that he's outright injured already. But i would think Theo would look into this before pulling the trigger.

[ClockShot]

LOL. Adam Eaton is a good player but the Nats overpaid huge for him.

One of the best line I heard so far is that Mike Rizzo is drunk at a bar and making these deals.

Keep 'em coming, someone might get Bryce Harper for pocket change.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Eaton is a 5 win player two of the last three years. He's a great player. However, it's a lot to give up for a guy who's defensive value in center will drop moving away from a corner. He's also signed up to 2021 with 2 team options.

So from a control standpoint, yes they gave up a ton, but they're getting an all-star for 5 years well below market value.

[RP]

LMAO at that Nationals trade. They gave up there top 2 prospects for Adam Eaton. It's like the National League wants the Cubs to repeat this year.

[RP]

and next year

[RP]

and the year after

[RP]

I'm stunned at that Nationals trade. lol I wish the Cubs were in on those talks.

[RP]

White Sox came to the trade tables this offseason with a gun.

[Frank Drebin]

I'm stunned at that Nationals trade. lol I wish the Cubs were in on those talks.

lol...."Hey we'll give you Soler for JUST Giolito and Lopez. I think we still have a Patterson brother here somewhere we can throw in too!"

[RP]

That may have happened.

[Frank Drebin]

*rummages around*

"What else have we got here...OH...MEMBA MATT MURTON?? I MEMBA!!"

[Evil Vito]

Chapman to the Yankees. 5 years, $86 million.

Knew he was coming back after that trade.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Details of Aroldis Chapman deal: no-trade for 3 years, and cannot be to a team located in California</p>&mdash; Marly Rivera (@MarlyRiveraESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarlyRiveraESPN/status/806719874294657025">December 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Final 2 years has a limited no-trade clause attached to it.


Meanwhile the Marlins are offering Kenley Jansen a 5 year, $80+ million deal and just waiting for his response.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

How many multi year deals for relievers have worked out? The salary I can get. But the years? Sheesh.

[Frank Drebin]

Not many. Always a huge risk which is why you see the cubs going the trade route to avoid such a commitment even though they have cash to spend. David Robertson has worked out so far for the White Sox but I cringed at first when I saw that deal struck.

[ClockShot]

Chapman's back on the relatively cheaper deal. Someone gave him a deal close to $100 mil.

Top priority is done.

[Nicky Fives]

Rumours in Toronto that Jose Bautista is back in talks with Toronto and that a 2-year deal may be all that he is able to get anywhere.

EE still a possibility as many suitors dropping out, and Jays may still retain him and trade newly-acquired Steve Pearce (who there was alot of interest in)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol for fuck sake

[Evil Vito]

The Padres had 7 openings on their 40 man roster and were expected to go ham with drafting dudes like last year and even they only took 1 player.

Aside from the first pick almost none of the players who were "hotly tipped" to get picked went anywhere.

They raised the cost of each pick from $50k to $100k but I don't think that had much to do with it.

[Evil Vito]

Feel like the Rule 5 would get more "buzz" had the 26th player on the roster been added. As it is now it's kinda lame, but a necessary evil to prevent excess stockpiling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Padres ended up making deals to get the first 2 rule 5 picks as well.

[Nicky Fives]

All the names on the Rule 5 draft list, not too many seem like they'll have a chance to stick....

[Droford]

All the names on the Rule 5 draft list, not too many seem like they'll have a chance to stick....

The Os got Aneury Tavarez from the Red Sox. He hit .335/.379/.506 with 13 triples and 20 sb in double A and he's 24. Both were more than the os had last year as a team. He plays Corner OF so he could be the starting RF and he bats lefty..

[Frank Drebin]

The rule 5 was today??? Should have called in sick.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rumours in Toronto that Jose Bautista is back in talks with Toronto and that a 2-year deal may be all that he is able to get anywhere.

EE still a possibility as many suitors dropping out, and Jays may still retain him and trade newly-acquired Steve Pearce (who there was alot of interest in)

Seems like in Bautista's case, the Red Sox might have been his last hope at getting a big deal before they said no because of the amount he wanted.

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Os got Aneury Tavarez from the Red Sox. He hit .335/.379/.506 with 13 triples and 20 sb in double A and he's 24. Both were more than the os had last year as a team. He plays Corner OF so he could be the starting RF and he bats lefty..

24 years old in AA? That's not a good sign. He's beating up on kids 2 to 4 years younger.

Padres interested in Jose Iglesias. No thanks. His defensive metrics aren't impressive and he's got a wet newspaper for a bat.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Jose Bautista has a vastly inflated opinion of his own value. Look, the guy can hit particularly when his own head isn't up his ass. But he's a mediocre defender and he can't throw the ball the way he used to be able to, and he can't run the bases all that well. He's also 37-years-old without any real upside.

At best he plays a full year, hits you 30-40 home runs, 100 RBIs and hits .250 with a good OBP which is cool, but that is ALL he offers, and the game is calling for guys to have more than just a bat. Also, he's proven to be injury prone as he's gotten older so in all likelihood you aren't getting a full season out of him. He is also a shit head and teams don't care for him.

While I don't want him back, it'll be funny to watch him come back grovelling to the Jays with a very generous "home town discount".

He's given a lot to Toronto results wise and is a stalwart of the team, but I hope amongst hope this will teach him to not constantly run his fucking mouth. I get it, the players jhave a right to earn and he had a right to earn as big of a pay day as he can get, but given his situation the way he played things was a pathetically self unaware tactical blunder.

[road doggy dogg]

lol you're ridiculous if you think there aren't 20+ teams who would love to pencil a guy in for 30+ HR and 100+ RBI

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol you're ridiculous if you think there aren't 20+ teams who would love to pencil a guy in for 30+ HR and 100+ RBI

God you're a shit head.

They don't want him for the money he wants.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Plus he's injury prone and likely won't produce those numbers being closer to 40 than 35. Not everyone is big papi

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also, suck my dick you smarmy little cunt.

[road doggy dogg]

lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

what's so funny Tiny Tony? Me being irritated by your cool kid complex?

[ClockShot]

Koji Uehara to the Cubs.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Good signing for the reigning, defending, undisputed world series champions of the world, and on the cheap.

And no, RDD, 20+ team aren't clamoring for those players because you're ignoring important context, like age, asking price and position. Encarnacion isn't exactly lighting up the market because he's limited defensively and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Bautista is in an even worse position. He's coming off a down year, he's been horrible defensively the last 3 years, and is pretty much a dh only on the wrong side of 35 and probably asking for more than he's worth.

Carlos Beltran's deal with Houston is probably what Bautista should be realistically expecting.

[Frank Drebin]

bUT wHAt aBBouT the RBBIS???

[Evil Vito]

Dexter Fowler to the Cardinals

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

FUCK :'(

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

bUT wHAt aBBouT the RBBIS???

nope you're ridiculous if you don't perscribe to RDD logic.

I think 30 HR and 100 RBIs is good offensive production, because while RBIs can be misleading it means you cash in, in the spot in the lineup where you're supposed to cash in. BUT 30 HR and 100 RBIs by itself, without defence, being injury prone (therefore limiting your chances at that benchmark) and being on the wrong side of 35 is one dimensional, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

With Eddie E, he can play some really nice first base, and while I know it's not a premium position he made some game saving plays for the Jays this year and has great hands. Plus unlike Jose, he's a fantastic baserunner, and he's I believe 33 years old, so you can get a few good years out of him.

[Droford]

Koji Uehara to the Cubs.

How many fucking former Orioles do they need?

[Evil Vito]

I think the 2017 Cubs could actually threaten the 116 win record.

[Evil Vito]

FUCK :'(

Just give us a reliever for Jay Bruce and be done with it.

[Frank Drebin]

cHrIS arCHer SUX cUZ hE LOsT 19 Gamz. He A LOSER.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Great deal for the Cards.

I can see the Cubs moving Heyward to center and having Zobrist play more right field. Or start Almora out there.

[Frank Drebin]

I wouldn't be surprised if they option Almora to Triple A actually. Matt Sczuzr does what Almora can do but better for the time being.

Whats crazy was on talk radio on the way home today they were saying Dex didn't want to go to STL because Mike Matheny is a dick. Ill be interested to see what the deal actually was for.

[Emperor Smeat]

Koji Uehara to the Cubs.

Good signing for them if he can stay healthy.

Before the end of the season, there were some hints and rumors about him considering the idea of retiring or going back to Japan because of his recent injury problems.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Mlb trade rumors saying the Fowler deal is around 5 years at $16 mil per. More to come I'm sure.

[DaveWadding]

DBacks sign Fernando Rodney 1 year, 2.75 mil.

[RP]

Happy for D. Fowler. Dude played the game and won. He got paid. He will forever be a huge piece of of the Cubs 2016 WS winning team. No doubt. Love that guy.

[Droford]

And I hate him for going back on signing with the Orioles

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He didn't go back on signing, you tit. He agreed to a 2 year deal with an opt out after 1 year and Baltimore backed out.

Your lackluster front office was the reason he ended up back in Chicago.

[Frank Drebin]

Pfft. How dare you besmirch the Baltimore coaching staff or front office, sir!

[Ruien]

Damian Ray 2.0 made a deadly enemy with that remark.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I thought Droford and Dale eye feuding into Wrestlemania? Guess it's now a triple threat.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

handicap match, let's get serious

[Evil Vito]

The following players have confirmed their participation in the World Baseball Classic:

Canada: Russell Martin
Colombia: Jose Quintana, Julio Teheran
Dominican Republic: Adrian Beltre, Robinson Cano, Manny Machado
Mexico: Adrian Gonzalez, Oliver Perez
Netherlands: Jonathan Schoop, Andrelton Simmons
Puerto Rico: Carlos Beltran, Yadier Molina
United States: Nolan Arenado, Kris Bryant, Andrew McCutchen, Max Scherzer, Christian Yelich
Venezuela: Jose Altuve, Carlos Gonzalez, Felix Hernandez, Salvador Perez

The WBC seems to get shit on a lot but personally I love it. Spring Training is ridiculously long, after about 2 weeks of games I'm tired of it and desperate for the season to start. At least the WBC is more interesting and helps break up the monotony of Spring Training.

I can see why teams get concerned about their pitchers participating, even with pitch limits you have guys throwing high stress innings in March. Never got the concern about position players going. Hitting is hitting, and most hitters are ready for the season after a few weeks.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I absolutely love the WBC. It's an electric atmosphere to watch.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

handicap match, let's get serious

Droford gets Machado as his tag partner, only to have him turn heel at the finish, revealing a Yankees jersey.

Dexter Fowler then comes out and ddt's Droford onto an Orioles hat, and Newstead picks up the pin.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

BAH GAWD IT WAS MACHADO ALL ALONG

[Evil Vito]

If every American born player was all in on participating in the WBC, you'd probably get something like this:

C: Buster Posey
1B: Anthony Rizzo
2B: Daniel Murphy
SS: Corey Seager
3B: Nolan Arenado
LF: Kris Bryant
CF: Mike Trout
RF: Bryce Harper
DH: Josh Donaldson

That'd be just plain silly. Not to mention Scherzer being joined by guys like Kershaw and Bumgarner in the rotation and Zach Britton (who will actually be used!) coming out of the bullpen.

[Nicky Fives]

Poor Canada gets the likes of Martin, Lawrie & Votto.... It's not even fair :'(

[Evil Vito]

Kenley Jansen back to the Dodgers. 5 years, $80 million. They're also close to bringing back Justin Turner on a 4 year deal.

[ClockShot]

White Sox sign Derek Holland for a year and $6 million.

[Droford]

Os signed Welington Castillo to a 1 year 6 million deal with player option for 2018.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Orioles killing it this offseason.

[Evil Vito]

World fucking champions

[Frank Drebin]

I really like wellington when he was a cub. Could be a poor mans yadi molina with an average bat but above average for a catcher and a strong arm behind the plate. I think he wasn't a good pitch framer early on if I memba so I wonder if he's gotten better at it.

[Droford]

There was an article on Camden Chat that said he was not good at pitch framing but neither was Wieters

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Well good thing the brain trust in Baltimore saw this as an opportunity to upgrade...oh...wait...nevermind

[Droford]

Its a 1 year tide over until Chance Sisco is ready. He's 21 and in AA last year he hit .317/.403/.430 and even with limited power he hit a homer in the Futures game in PetcoPark. He only caught 86 games last year and they want him to get more work behind the plate since they drafted him out of HS and he wasn't a catcher.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What does hitting a homerun at petco with limited power supposed to insinuate? Bart Colón hit a homer there. Big whoop.

But hey it's a 1year signing. No need to sign a guy who's good who could either be traded or fetch a draft pick the next year.

[screech]

Odubel Herrera gets a 5 year extension from the Phillies with club options in '22 and '23. Love it!

[Nicky Fives]

I really want the Jays to sign Matt Wieters to give Martin a few more extra days off without losing too much offensively or defensively... He'd help to contribute the loss of power as well with Bautista & Encarnacion on the way out (potentially)

[Droford]

Matt Wieters isn't hitting for much power anymore

The TJ surgery ruined his offense

[Nicky Fives]

Part of that could be because he played so much because Baltimore had no production at catcher behind him....Same can be said for Martin in Toronto.... Basically a split in time makes sense to me, Martin versus lefties and Wieters versus righties and if one happens to have good splits versus a certain starter, throw him in at DH, shift Morales to 1B instead of DH or simply give him a day off...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I really want the Jays to sign Matt Wieters to give Martin a few more extra days off without losing too much offensively or defensively... He'd help to contribute the loss of power as well with Bautista & Encarnacion on the way out (potentially)

And a good locker room guy

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wieters isn't an upgrade offensively and he isn't likely to help fill any gaps left by Encarnacion or Bautista. He and Martin were about the same player last year overall.

They'd be better off waiting for Bautista and EE's market o crater.

[Droford]

The Orioles signed Tomo Ohka to a minor league deal.

40 years old throws a knuckle ball now and hasn't pitched in The US since 2009.

Dan Duquette signed him back in 1998 from Japan and he got his first win vs the Orioles in 1999.

https://frinkiac.com/gif/S14E15/1104395/1107940.gif?b64lines=SSdtIFRvbW9rYXp1IE9oa2Egb2YgdGhlIApNb250cmVhbCBFeHBvcy4=

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Orioles with a hot stove for the ages

[Nicky Fives]

Anyone who's played for the Expos probably has no chance to make a dent in the bigs anymore (minus Big Sexy)

[Frank Drebin]

Delino Desheilds still plays. He's a 24 year old outfielder for the Rangers now. :shifty:

[Frank Drebin]

John Wettland could probably still throw a solid BP session to Tim Tebow.

[Nicky Fives]

Wieters isn't an upgrade offensively and he isn't likely to help fill any gaps left by Encarnacion or Bautista. He and Martin were about the same player last year overall.

They'd be better off waiting for Bautista and EE's market o crater.

Anybody is an upgrade offensively over Josh Thole. And I mean anybody.

[ClockShot]

Giants sign Jimmy Rollins to a minor league deal.

If he can still go, more power to him.

[ClockShot]

BoSox just sent Clay Buchholz to Philly for minor leaguer Josh Tobias.

[Evil Vito]

Oh Tobias, you blowhard.

[Emperor Smeat]

BoSox just sent Clay Buchholz to Philly for minor leaguer Josh Tobias.

:eek: Someone was dumb enough to trade for Buchholz.

Low risk for the Phillies that could pay off if can avoid another bad injury bug since that was a big problem for him the past few years. Combo of that and being way too streaky in quality basically killed any real value he had for trades.

[Droford]

The fact that the Red Sox are paying him for 2017 to play for Philly is what blows my mind. More teams should have been interested

[Evil Vito]

Only about 20% of the ballots have been made public so far, but the early returns are looking very favorable for Bagwell and Raines to make their overdue trips to Cooperstown. Both are polling at around 90%, which is way higher than they were at this point in the voting last year.

Those seem to be the only two clear projectable inductees right now. Pudge, Vlad, and Hoffman are all hovering right around the 75% threshold but there's plenty of time for that to drop.

I have nothing against Hoffman, but that he's very likely to go in soon while Wagner may not even get the 5% needed to stay on the ballot another year feels like an egregious mistake. I don't know how you could vote for one and not the other unless you're blindly following the saves stat, which is just punishing Wagner for deciding to not extend his career into his 40s when he was great in his last year and clearly could've kept going if he wanted to. I don't know if Aroldis Chapman has desensitized voters to how ridiculous Wagner was but when he was around it was unheard of to have a dude coming out of the bullpen throwing 98 with his left arm. At his best he was practically unhittable. He might be the second best reliever of all time behind Rivera.

Bonds and Clemens have also seen a huge surge from where they've been in recent years. It's likely not going to be enough to get them in this year but it's now a very real possibility that they are going to make it before their ten years on the ballot are up. Several voters have gone on record of saying they decided that Selig being put into the HOF now makes it impossible for them to overlook Bonds and Clemens any more.

Manny is still probably never going to make it and A-Rod might have trouble too once he's eligible. Voters are now drawing a line between using steroids before there was testing and willfully cheating after testing was implemented.

Schilling has taken the biggest fall so far, losing at least a dozen voters who had voted for him last year. With voters limited to ten selections and there clearly being more than ten deserving players, it does appear Schilling's hateful comments are what has put him on the chopping block.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

People will blindly follow the save stat. Got into an argument with another Padres fan via Facebook when he tried to say Hoffman was snubbed. Wagner was absolutely dominant, much more than Hoffman.

Hoffman, despite having a narrative that says otherwise, was never on Mo's level at any point.

Glad to hear about Raines and Bagwell though

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The fact that the Red Sox are paying him for 2017 to play for Philly is what blows my mind. More teams should have been interested

Huh? I thought Phillies would have to pay. He didn't pitch yet.

[Nicky Fives]

Great trade for Phillies in my eyes. You get a guy whose been great (at times) in the past for essentially nothing, played on winning teams and will probably help sell some jerseys.... If he gets off to a hot first few months, trade him away to help fill some holes and bank more prospects for next year....

[Emperor Smeat]

Indians signed Edwin Encarnacion to a 3 year, $60 million deal

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

ffs

[Droford]

Happy to see him out of the Division at least

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

yeah fucking eh to that

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I like Shapiro and Atkins but the next few years of dumpster diving is going to be tough to swallow.

[Droford]

Nobody dumpster dives like Dan Duquette

[RP]

Indians signed Edwin Encarnacion to a 3 year, $60 million deal

I feel like it will be Cleveland and Chicago again next year in the World Series.

[Droford]

Replace Indians with Orioles and maybe you are right

[Lock Jaw]

Uuuugggghhhhhh Cleveland

[RP]

Replace Indians with Orioles and maybe you are right

in know scenario can i ever see that happen.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Replace Indians with Orioles and maybe you are right

LOL

[RP]

Replacing Cleveland with Baltimore is a lot like replacing Ubaldo with Zach Britton in the AL Wild card game. It's not happening.

[Nicky Fives]

Good luck EE, you will be missed :wavesad:

[Evil Vito]

I feel like at minimum the Cubs are locks for over 100 wins and they could even threaten the single season wins record.

Postseason is a different beast though. Cubs will be favored as well they should but who knows.

[Droford]

in know scenario can i ever see that happen.

LOL

Replacing Cleveland with Baltimore is a lot like replacing Ubaldo with Zach Britton in the AL Wild card game. It's not happening.
Willing to bet that even after the Tribe signed EE the Orioles will fnish with a better record than the Indians..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

but they still won't be in the world series

[Droford]

Neither will the injuns but with a better record the Orioles will have a better chance

[Droford]

I have no idea how Indians auto corrected to Injuns

[RP]

Willing to bet that even after the Tribe signed EE the Orioles will fnish with a better record than the Indians..

I'm willing to make a bet like this. I'm not sure what we are betting but hell i'll take the Indians all day!

[RP]

Indians infield is every nearly as good as the Cubs now. Cubs have a slight advantage, but Indians have the best infield in the American League now

[Droford]

Lol the Orioles' infield is better

Manny > J. ramirez
Lindor > Hardy
Schoop > Kipnis
Davis and the EE/Santana platoon will be a push
I can't judge Castillo vs Perez properly but Castillo is better offensively

[screech]

I won't say they're better because I don't want to know what kind of weird stats you found to prove it, but I'd rather have Kipnis than Schoop and EE/Santana than Davis.

[Evil Vito]

Schoop > Kipnis

LOL

[Evil Vito]

I'm shocked he didn't say Hardy was somehow better than Lindor, tbh

[ClockShot]

I sure thought Ed Encarnacion would be getting 9 figures, easy.

3/$60 was unexpected.

Jose Bautista will probably come at a bargain now.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I won't say they're better because I don't want to know what kind of weird stats you found to prove it, but I'd rather have Kipnis than Schoop and EE/Santana than Davis.

He didn't look up anything. Schoop had a sub 300 on base and was less than average offensively.

Kipnis was better on both sides and was double the WAR. Droford is just a mindless homer.

Santana and Davis were even but Santana was a way better hitter.

Machado is the only player that's better than any infielder on Cleveland.

Cue that Droford meme.

[screech]

I mean, I actually looked up some numbers and saw Kipnis was better than Schoop (had to do a double take on his OBP) in basically every way.

I just didn't want 2 more pages of his ridiculous stats and everyone else arguing against him.

[Droford]

He didn't look up anything. Schoop had a sub 300 on base and was less than average offensively.

Kipnis was better on both sides and was double the WAR. Droford is just a mindless homer.

Santana and Davis were even but Santana was a way better hitter.

Machado is the only player that's better than any infielder on Cleveland.

Cue that Droford meme.

Schoop is also 5 years younger and was 1 of 3 players to play in all 162 games last year. Hrs also better defensively.

[screech]

Why do be...

Nope, not gonna do it. You can't be swayed.

[Nicky Fives]

I agree with Droford, if I were a GM, I'd prefer Schoop over Kipnis simply due to age, but if I "wanted to win now" you'd have to go Kipnis because of his track record....

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Schoop is also 5 years younger and was 1 of 3 players to play in all 162 games last year. Hrs also better defensively.

Based on what exactly? And age isn't the argument. The claim waa Schoop was better.

Kipnis-275/343/469, +4 drs, 4.1 WAR

Schoop-267/298/454, -1 drs, 2.1 WAR

Kipnis was literally twice as good lol. Kipnis was a better hitter, fielder, and base runner. Or, in other words, Kipnis is better at baseball.

Even in his first full season 5 years ago, Kipnis was twice as good. I'm curious what part of your ass you're trying to argue out of here.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Oh, and the 162 games played argument is silly. If he still wasn't better why does it matter? It's quality, not quantity.

[screech]

I agree with Droford, if I were a GM, I'd prefer Schoop over Kipnis simply due to age, but if I "wanted to win now" you'd have to go Kipnis because of his track record....

That's fair, though I think I'd still rather have Kipnis because he's all around just a better player.

But the claim was that, right now, Schoop is better than Kipnis. I only said I'd rather have him because I didn't want to get into a useless stats argument with Droford over who is better.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'd still take Kipnis. Age has value but it's not the end all be all. Like Screech said, Kipnis is the better overall player.

He's also likely to age better because his secondary skills are better.

[Droford]

Based on what exactly? And age isn't the argument. The claim waa Schoop was better.

Kipnis-275/343/469, +4 drs, 4.1 WAR

Schoop-267/298/454, -1 drs, 2.1 WAR

Kipnis was literally twice as good lol. Kipnis was a better hitter, fielder, and base runner. Or, in other words, Kipnis is better at baseball.

Even in his first full season 5 years ago, Kipnis was twice as good. I'm curious what part of your ass you're trying to argue out of here.

Kipnis' numbers are probably as good as he gets whereas Schoops are from his first full season at age 24. I guarantee you Schoop will be better than Kipnis next year which is why I say he's better than Kipnis

[Droford]

Plus there's this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCuHa_gUUAAyc3r.png

[RP]

looks like gay sex to me.

[RP]

Kipnis' numbers are probably as good as he gets whereas Schoops are from his first full season at age 24. I guarantee you Schoop will be better than Kipnis next year which is why I say he's better than Kipnis

Possibly. I dont think those numbers are Kipnis's ceiling at all. I think he will get better. Especially considering he'll be hitting in a lineup with Encarnacion and they should be getting Brantley back next season who if you've forgot, is pretty damn good. Probably there best player going into last season. Kipnis numbers will naturally get better hitting in a lineup with those 2.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Schoop has a long way to go before he's touching Kipnis's ability. He's too much of a free swinger. Good power on him, athletic guy but he has a lot of maturing to do before he's anywhere close to Kipnis. For you not to see this Dro, is more signs of the O's dick in your mouth.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Not to say he can't get there eventually, but that won't be this coming year, barring injury trouble for Kipnis.

[poopfromweiner dude]

Jason Kipnis is 29

It's not like he's on the verge of decline here Droford...

[owenbrown]

Droford is such a homer.

[Evil Vito]

Wonder how often Droford has masturbated to pics of Orioles players in his lifetime.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Kipnis' numbers are probably as good as he gets whereas Schoops are from his first full season at age 24. I guarantee you Schoop will be better than Kipnis next year which is why I say he's better than Kipnis

Guarantee based on what? How is he better when his numbers say he's not better? Schoop wasn't any where near as good at Kipnis was when comparing their first full seasons.

You're basically just talking out of your ass based on nothing.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And what's this first full seasons nonsense. Schoop played in 137 games in 2014. That was his first full season. And he was a terrible hitter.

He's not going to reach Kipnis' level unless he magically learns to walk and plays better defense. Given his size already I doubt the defense gets better as he ages.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah, I find free swingers tend to stay free swingers. He could eventually be a 30 home run guy though. But his OBP is worrisome.

And if you look at their overall production defensively and offensively, Schoop isn't even on the same stratosphere as Kipnis.

[owenbrown]

Wonder how often Droford has masturbated to pics of Orioles players in his lifetime.

I don't wonder this at all.

[owenbrown]

Apparently the Dodgers' Twitter account was hacked.

http://deadspin.com/dodgers-twitter-account-hacked-with-message-about-upgra-1790471080?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[RP]

Jason Kipnis is 29

It's not like he's on the verge of decline here Droford...

To be fair, Schoop gives me a boner sometimes. I would have no choice but to jack it if i knew what was best for me.

[Evil Vito]

I don't wonder this at all.

I definitely wonder it. Everybody masturbates. Napoleon. Gandhi. Joan Jett. Shakespeare.

[RP]

Shakespeare cant masturbate without mispronouncing his ejaculate