Ratings Thread

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I can agree with that.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m also a big Sting fan but I did find it funny when Cornette brought up something obvious that never completely dawned on me. The most over Sting ever got was when he spent a year not wrestling... or speaking.

[xrodmuc316]

806k for AEW, another strong week
NXT at 766k


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So then AEW actually didn't beat Raw in the demos this week afterall...
Even though Raw had is lowest ratings ever??????
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPSIE!

[Bad News Gertner]

I’m also a big Sting fan but I did find it funny when Cornette brought up something obvious that never completely dawned on me. The most over Sting ever got was when he spent a year not wrestling... or speaking.

That 97 Starrcade match is such a huge and pivotal moment in WCW when it was at its zenith and in wrestling in general, that I think the misconception has been that Sting was this MASSIVE star when everything before and after then in Sting's career(some due to bad booking) pales in comparison to that one show.

[Big Vic]

I was a huge fan of Sting in 98..... I also liked Disco Inferno though so I might just be weird.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Disco was very underrated in WCW. Got lost in the mix a bit but was always a reliable hand.

[rez]

That 97 Starrcade match is such a huge and pivotal moment in WCW when it was at its zenith and in wrestling in general, that I think the misconception has been that Sting was this MASSIVE star when everything before and after then in Sting's career(some due to bad booking) pales in comparison to that one show.

Robocop has cena nuff of this bull sheet.

[Bad News Gertner]

Disco was very underrated in WCW. Got lost in the mix a bit but was always a reliable hand.

He got really good as the years went along, especially by 98.

[rez]

I miss Ernest "The Cat" Miller

[Sepholio]

SOMEBODY CALL MY MOMMA

[slik]

Surfer Sting ONLY

[xrodmuc316]

He got really good as the years went along, especially by 98.

Wolfpack Sting is my favorite Sting

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sting has not historically drawn outside those moments Gertner mentioned, but I don’t know if I even blame him, per se. Anyone remotely interested in watching alternative wrestling is going to tune out when they see that product. It’s a different genre to what Sting fans remember.

[Vastardikai]

How much of it is "Sting is not a draw" and how much of it is "What the fuck is this shit? I ain't watching this and I don't care if it's Sting or Hulk Hogan that's on later."

I mean, this week the Main Event featured glorified Trash Bag Joey Janella.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Sting only coming out to point his bat and then leave isn't going to keep the people interested in him watching. Said it before, but they should've never let it out the bag that he can't/won't bump or get physically involved. It instantly killed any interest in what he might've been doing on the show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hahaha!

This fucking company.

[slik]

SD did 1.03 million on FS1, which I believe is better than the last time they aired on FS1. I think last time they did 800k.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who want the comparison:<br><br>Smackdown: 1.030 million, 0.30 in 18-49<br>AEW: 806,000, 0.32 in 18-49<br><br>So Smackdown won in total viewers thanks to its older audience, but AEW won in all the 18-49 demos.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1341129137474310144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Sting Fan]

Disco was gold, even as a kid who hated heels I loved heel disco!

After Crow Sting he was never in a decent storyline really and as much as I love the guy a non wrestling Sting at this age isnt a longterm draw. Im a massive fan but have almost 0 interest in seeing him wrestle.

If they were smart they would rewarm the 97 Angle by having a stable take over and Sting does his lonewolf bit... Yes its a rehash but what isnt in wrestling at this poiint and Sting having NWO flashbacks going mental with a bat on the bad guys is about the best hes capable of at this point.

[xrodmuc316]

Disco was gold, even as a kid who hated heels I loved heel disco!

After Crow Sting he was never in a decent storyline really and as much as I love the guy a non wrestling Sting at this age isnt a longterm draw. Im a massive fan but have almost 0 interest in seeing him wrestle.

If they were smart they would rewarm the 97 Angle by having a stable take over and Sting does his lonewolf bit... Yes its a rehash but what isnt in wrestling at this poiint and Sting having NWO flashbacks going mental with a bat on the bad guys is about the best hes capable of at this point.

WCW had a great collection of undercard guys like Disco. Norman Smiley, someone previously mentioned Ernest Miller, Kanyon, Hugh Morris, Alex Wright, Chavo, etc. Guys who were outside of nWo vs WCW but were there for pretty much the entire Nitro run.

Also, why does Cody dislike Disco Inferno so much? Seems I missed something somewhere along the way there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, AEW couldn't even beat SmackDown with the advantage of TNT and being on a Wednesday night and in its usual place.

[hb2k]

Disco is a very annoying individual to some. He was slapped in the face by Arn Anderson and Eddie Guerrero in separate incidents during his time in WCW. As a performer I almost always liked him though (thought the Filthy Animals run was bad in 2000).

[screech]

Hurricane makes fun of Disco on Twitter for being an idiot a lot. Well he used to, anyway.

[slik]

1.69 million for RAW this week


https://i.postimg.cc/8kZyqjBy/raw.png

[xrodmuc316]

1.69 million for RAW this week


https://i.postimg.cc/8kZyqjBy/raw.png

This Raw beat every episode of AEW in 2020! Hate to see such a thrashing! Pretty unelite if you ask me. :'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

Funny that. PPV bounce backs aren’t what they used to be, but as Raw goes, so does AEW. You’ll probably find it do a bit better than it did last week. Although it might actually do far worse given it’s taped, the show reads awful/boring and it’s in a different slot. But those are actually extenuating circumstances. Further goes to why these immediate reactions to the ratings are bullshit.

[Ultra Mantis]

Xrod only wants to eat McDonalds and thinks everyone who doesnt is just trying to be a contrarian edge lord.

[xrodmuc316]

Xrod only wants to eat McDonalds and thinks everyone who doesnt is just trying to be a contrarian edge lord.

McDonalds is gross.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People who want to eat dog shit are gross. It’s just weird when they then go online and try to make eating dog shit seem like the coolest thing on the planet.

[xrodmuc316]

People who want to eat dog shit are gross. It’s just weird when they then go online and try to make eating dog shit seem like the coolest thing on the planet.

Or call you dumb because you don't 100% believe like they do. It's like an inside joke you are supposed to know, but the only real joke is the company itself.

[Ultra Mantis]

Xrod do you go on any low traffic fast food forums and repeatedly post about how much you hate mcdonalds and claim everyone else loves it blindly while repeatedly posting dumb homemade memes you think are an ace gotcha card instead of actually conversing like a being which possesses some form of intelligence?

[xrodmuc316]

Xrod do you go on any low traffic fast food forums and repeatedly post about how much you hate mcdonalds and claim everyone else loves it blindly while repeatedly posting dumb homemade memes you think are an ace gotcha card instead of actually conversing like a being which possesses some form of intelligence?

Are you that gullible to actually think those memes are meant as anything other than me parroting the ridiculous manner in which pro AEW posts are made here?

This "ace gotcha card" is literally just me posting the exact same way but with an Anti AEW twist instead of Pro AEW.

If that annoys you, you probably thought it was SUPER AWESOME that Adam Page named a horse Triple H. Elite bro, Elite.

This conversing you refer to, that failed miserably here. Blind loyalty to AEW is all that matters.

TPAEWW, change the name to accurately reflect what the site is, then be mad at people who posts anything against AEW.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This place sounds awful man. I don’t know why anyone would even bother posting here.

[xrodmuc316]

This place sounds awful man. I don’t know why anyone would even bother posting here.

Because no matter how bad wrestling is, wrestling is still better than pretty much everything else.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Which wrestling?

[xrodmuc316]

Which wrestling?

Any wrestling.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Luckily for you, Jurassic Express are in action tonight!

[xrodmuc316]

Luckily for you, Jurassic Express are in action tonight!

Ehhh, Pac vs Butcher though, that will be good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This place sounds awful man. I don’t know why anyone would even bother posting here.

Not many people do anymore. :lol:

[Ultra Mantis]

Are you that gullible to actually think those memes are meant as anything other than me parroting the ridiculous manner in which pro AEW posts are made here?

This "ace gotcha card" is literally just me posting the exact same way but with an Anti AEW twist instead of Pro AEW.

If that annoys you, you probably thought it was SUPER AWESOME that Adam Page named a horse Triple H. Elite bro, Elite.

This conversing you refer to, that failed miserably here. Blind loyalty to AEW is all that matters.

TPAEWW, change the name to accurately reflect what the site is, then be mad at people who posts anything against AEW.

Do you understand what the word gullible means or did you just read it somewhere and thought it sounded interesting? I havent seen anyone else here spamming the same three memes aimlessly as rebuttals, pro AEW or otherwise. You keep harping on about these mythical AEW fanboys who are ruining the forum but the thing is, they dont actually exist. You label anyone who calls you out on being an absolute shitlord a blind AEW fanboy. Oh look, you even did it in this very post. I do not even watch AEW, you're just dumb as fuck dude. You and Noid are all over the place complaining about a show that you "hate" and acting like you're better than everyone else for it. If you hate it so much why are you here? Are you so desperate for attention that this is the best you could come up with?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Those fans definitely do exist, as do those memes. Smeat has shared them and they are usually posted on Bryan Alvarez’s Twitter. And you shitlords are fucking defensive and boring to talk to. Even guys who don’t like AEW are like “No, don’t make fun of it.”

[xrodmuc316]

Do you understand what the word gullible means or did you just read it somewhere and thought it sounded interesting? I havent seen anyone else here spamming the same three memes aimlessly as rebuttals, pro AEW or otherwise. You keep harping on about these mythical AEW fanboys who are ruining the forum but the thing is, they dont actually exist. You label anyone who calls you out on being an absolute shitlord a blind AEW fanboy. Oh look, you even did it in this very post. I do not even watch AEW, you're just dumb as fuck dude. You and Noid are all over the place complaining about a show that you "hate" and acting like you're better than everyone else for it. If you hate it so much why are you here? Are you so desperate for attention that this is the best you could come up with?

Yes, you were easily persuaded into thinking I am being a WWE fanboy based on my anti AEW posts, when all I'm doing is posting the exact same way that others do towards WWE. The only difference is I do it about AEW and multiple people here lose their minds.

You talk about what is dumb, but you are taking my low thought out memes which are meant to mirror how annoying the unconditional lovefest posts for AEW, and instead think I'm so mad WWE apologist.

You think name calling and cuss words somehow proves your point? And you wonder why I resort to memes, the lowest form of posting. It's because anything else just confuses, and confused and mad = fucking dumb, shitlord, etc.

I'll leave my signature on this post, since you at least seem to notice those...

[Mr. Nerfect]

xrod talking some sense there and no one will have the balls to admit it.

I got told I suck Vince’s dick because I bucked the pro-AEW narrative.

[screech]

Xrod do you go on any low traffic fast food forums and repeatedly post about how much you hate mcdonalds and claim everyone else loves it blindly while repeatedly posting dumb homemade memes you think are an ace gotcha card instead of actually conversing like a being which possesses some form of intelligence?

For a guy who has complained that "no one wants to actually discuss anything" he sure does a lot to try to kill any real discussion.

"People who disagree with me are just AEW fanboys! Here are 45 posts in a row saying that...sometimes with a shitty meme!"

[Seanny One Ball]

xrod talking some sense there and no one will have the balls to admit it.

I got told I suck Vince’s dick because I bucked the pro-AEW narrative.



I've been saying it for years!
This place is full of cucks!

[screech]

:lol: at someone thinking xrod could ever "talk some sense"

[Ultra Mantis]

Yes, you were easily persuaded into thinking I am being a WWE fanboy based on my anti AEW posts, when all I'm doing is posting the exact same way that others do towards WWE. The only difference is I do it about AEW and multiple people here lose their minds.

You talk about what is dumb, but you are taking my low thought out memes which are meant to mirror how annoying the unconditional lovefest posts for AEW, and instead think I'm so mad WWE apologist.

You think name calling and cuss words somehow proves your point? And you wonder why I resort to memes, the lowest form of posting. It's because anything else just confuses, and confused and mad = fucking dumb, shitlord, etc.

I'll leave my signature on this post, since you at least seem to notice those...

I dont think you're a WWE fanboy, I just think you really fucking suck. So you're trying to work me into believing you are a fucking idiot, when ACTUALLY you are... a fucking idiot? Well played. How naive must I be to not realise what you were going for there? Here's a tip, dont assume what everyone else is thinking because you are clearly not very good at reading people. Also, swearing does not damage the maturity of anybodys arguement especially when the other person doesnt understand concepts such as words, logic or rational thought.

[screech]

Who is "losing their minds" because people don't like AEW? Mostly everyone I've seen here who enjoys it also has criticisms for the show. You know, like normal people would.

Is this another time xrod is making up some weird scenario to be mad about and claiming that it's a totally real thing? It feels like that's what is happening right now.

[xrodmuc316]

I dont think you're a WWE fanboy, I just think you really fucking suck. So you're trying to work me into believing you are a fucking idiot, when ACTUALLY you are... a fucking idiot? Well played. How naive must I be to not realise what you were going for there? Here's a tip, dont assume what everyone else is thinking because you are clearly not very good at reading people. Also, swearing does not damage the maturity of anybodys arguement especially when the other person doesnt understand concepts such as words, logic or rational thought.

I'm an idiot because you said so, good retort.

Once again you missed the point. Swearing is fine, resorting to name calling in absence of an actual rebuttal because you are incapable of anything else though, is the exact reason I post memes. The memes are the only thing cognitively capable of being understood across the board.

"Picture make me mad, fuck you xrod".

You got me.

[slik]

AEW still won the week despite airing outside of it's normal timeslot


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tl" dir="ltr">AEW: 775,000<br>NXT: 698,000</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1342213925215956993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

They also had a strong lead in

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently their lead-in was about 1.5 million people. Ouch.

[xrodmuc316]

Not head to head, they both had less viewers.

https://i.imgflip.com/4kc7uk.jpg

[xrodmuc316]

AEW still won the week despite airing outside of it's normal timeslot


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tl" dir="ltr">AEW: 775,000<br>NXT: 698,000</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1342213925215956993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AEW beat NXT, but they still lost 200,000 fans in 2 weeks :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wait, they had a 2 million viewer lead-in. 1.5 million is closer to what they lost. :lol:

[slik]

3.33 for x-mas sd

https://i.postimg.cc/0QCG02Yw/Fast-Demo-2020-Dec-25-FRI.png

[Bad News Gertner]

That seems like a very high number for them?

[xrodmuc316]

That seems like a very high number for them?

They took advantage of that NFL lead in through the Reigns/Owens match. I'm guessing they had a steady decline of people tuning out after that as they lost 1.5 from your 1 to your 2. Won't really know if they hooked anybody until next week.

The real win is that the outside of the wrestling bubble audience didn't shit all over the show, unlike what happened Wednesday.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao Smackdown had more viewers in one night than AEW has had in the entire month of December

[xrodmuc316]

Lmao Smackdown had more viewers in one night than AEW has had in the entire month of December

"Happened in the same month, it must count! Oh wait, that spin DOESN'T make AEW look good, so nevermind."

That is of course Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer logic :rofl:

[weather vane]

AEW wins again. Holy shit. That’s awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Change the fucking title, pussies. SmackDown dominates all.


Losing 1.5 million viewers seems pretty bad, but AEW lost 1.25 million with their smaller subsection.


Ah, who am I kidding? The cowards here won’t admit that SmackDown did well and AEW shat the bed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shirtless Roman Reigns draws more than a senior citizen in facepaint and a bloated alcoholic having a mid-life crisis. Big surprise.

[xrodmuc316]

Shirtless Roman Reigns draws more than a senior citizen in facepaint and a bloated alcoholic having a mid-life crisis. Big surprise.

LOL, absolutely bringing the heat!

[xrodmuc316]

Quadrupled the ratings, and MORE than 4 times better.

WWE wins again! Guess that Impact crossover isn't the draw T Khan thought it was :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine thinking AEW was the hot ticket.

[fundiddle]

The cowards here won’t admit that SmackDown did well and AEW shat the bed.

Shirtless Roman Reigns draws more than a senior citizen in facepaint and a bloated alcoholic having a mid-life crisis. Big surprise.


so you're saying closet homosexual wrestling fans are cowards?

[Mr. Nerfect]

so you're saying closet homosexual wrestling fans are cowards?

I’m saying the bitches here are cowards.

[fundiddle]

wow, that's pretty serious

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’ll take it that way. They didn’t like it when I didn’t like Alexa Bliss as a wrestler.

[weather vane]

Lolllllllll

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW will be seen as TNA 2.0 in the future and no one will look twice at criticizing it. Right now? Wahhh.

[Big Vic]

This whole thread is "The shitty company I tolerate, is better than the shitty company you tolerate"

although I'm not sure if anyone here watches either show and just waits for the ratings to come out.

[xrodmuc316]

During the Grilling JR Podcast, Jim Ross gave his thoughts about what WWE's issues are with their product and why the ratings have been down. Ross noted one issue that the company has with their television product.

"They don't have anybody hot," Ross said. "They have nobody that has momentum. Nobody is on the proverbial roll. You can't start, stop, 50-50 booking, I'll beat you with a small package and then you beat me up; how do you get any [momentum]? 'He did the job so I have to give him something back,' what? Bulls--t. Not tonight, not now, it makes no sense."

Also, AEW standings for wrestlers with at least 5 matches in 2020:

Wrestler M W W% L L% D D%
Jon Moxley 23 22 95.7 1 4.3 0 0.0
Austin Gunn 16 15 93.8 1 6.3 0 0.0
Allie 9 8 88.9 1 11.1 0 0.0
Hikaru Shida 29 25 86.2 4 13.8 0 0.0
Abadon 7 6 85.7 1 14.3 0 0.0
MJF 20 17 85.0 3 15.0 0 0.0
Kenny Omega 32 27 84.4 5 15.6 0 0.0
Brian Cage 17 14 82.4 3 17.6 0 0.0
Lance Archer 17 14 82.4 3 17.6 0 0.0
Cody 28 23 82.1 4 14.3 1 3.6
Cash Wheeler 16 13 81.3 3 18.8 0 0.0
Dax Harwood 16 13 81.3 3 18.8 0 0.0
Nyla Rose 21 17 81.0 4 19.0 0 0.0
Miro 5 4 80.0 1 20.0 0 0.0

14 with a winning percent of at least 80%. So NOT 50/50 Booking.

That must be why AEW is CRUSHING in the ratings, right Jim Ross???

He is a so full of shit.

[XL]

This is where your “analysis” falls down.

He’s talking about an established brand (WWE) with established “stars” that nobody gives a shit about anymore and he’s suggesting one of the reasons why (by no means the only).

You’re comparing it to a company that’s been in existence just over a year, that has very little in the way of established “stars”, that nobody gives a shit about.

AEW are trying to establish stars using wins and losses. You can contest that they’re failing. Take out the guys that have their wins on Dark (Gunn, Allie, Abadon?) and you’ve pretty much got their top guys.

[XL]

He’s not saying “Do this and you’ll smash it in the ratings”.

Here’s a guy that comes to mind; Daniel Bryan. First guy to throw his hat into the Rumble and “next inline to face Reigns” literally has a 50/50 win/loss record in 2020 (according to cagematch) and has a 2/2 in singles matches since returning in October.

That’s not to say he won’t start building momentum.

[xrodmuc316]

This is where your “analysis” falls down.

He’s talking about an established brand (WWE) with established “stars” that nobody gives a shit about anymore and he’s suggesting one of the reasons why (by no means the only).

You’re comparing it to a company that’s been in existence just over a year, that has very little in the way of established “stars”, that nobody gives a shit about.

AEW are trying to establish stars using wins and losses. You can contest that they’re failing. Take out the guys that have their wins on Dark (Gunn, Allie, Abadon?) and you’ve pretty much got their top guys.

It doesn't though, because they aren't getting shit in the ratings. Even with AEW clearly pushing certain guys, nobody gives a shit about AEW as a company or their "stars". It's why Jim Ross has to constantly talk about WWE, because even his carny ass knows that if he ONLY talked about AEW, his podcast wouldn't draw shit either.

[xrodmuc316]

He’s not saying “Do this and you’ll smash it in the ratings”.

Here’s a guy that comes to mind; Daniel Bryan. First guy to throw his hat into the Rumble and “next inline to face Reigns” literally has a 50/50 win/loss record in 2020 (according to cagematch) and has a 2/2 in singles matches since returning in October.

That’s not to say he won’t start building momentum.

That is exactly what he is saying. WWE doesn't know how to book, and that's why they have lowered ratings.

Meanwhile AEW pushed the "wins and losses matter" from the very start, but somehow they have worse ratings?? If WWE's ratings are bad because of 50/50 booking, and AEW doesn't do that, what is the reason for lower ratings from Dynamite?

So even with the correct booking, AEW sucks so much they can't even draw what bad booking WWE does.

Great logic from JR as always :?:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jericho posted a picture of him sucking in his gut and tagged it “#FatJericho @nba” before deleting it. His ego has been hurt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thought I was in the Obsolete Wrestling thread. My bad. Fans’ inability to accept that WWE did something better than AEW is exactly why a lot of people hate that fucking fan-base. Look at the title of this thread now. Look at how the fans reacted when Dylan Bostic confirmed stories about him not getting paid.

[slik]

Good bump for RAW, 1.769 million


https://i.postimg.cc/FKGqLJzY/Final-Cable-2020-Dec-28-MON.png

[xrodmuc316]

*Raw climbs upward, beats Dynamite by even more*

https://i.imgflip.com/4kc7uk.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raw goes a little up. Therefore, it’s reasonable to expect that AEW climbs a little bit too (even though it won’t beat Raw). Because this is how things go.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well over 1/3rd of its audience gone in just 3 years<a href="https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD">https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/CYC3wsM2uE">pic.twitter.com/CYC3wsM2uE</a></p>&mdash; Blake Oestriecher (@BOestriecher) <a href="https://twitter.com/BOestriecher/status/1344383430352654337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well over 1/3rd of its audience gone in just 3 years<a href="https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD">https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/CYC3wsM2uE">pic.twitter.com/CYC3wsM2uE</a></p>&mdash; Blake Oestriecher (@BOestriecher) <a href="https://twitter.com/BOestriecher/status/1344383430352654337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

*It's incredible how much WWE has fallen. Will be dead in a few years.*

Look at these dude's editing my posts again.

You are exactly why I want AEW to go out of business, because I'll be most happy knowing you are crying in your basements, and you can't edit that away!

FYI, what I said was Raw still beats Dynamite!

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW died before it was even born.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW died before it was even born.

Yeah that's not what I said. People being butthurt again and editing my posts because I said Raw still gets more ratings than Dynamite.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tony Khan probably killed Brodie Lee to pop a rating

[xrodmuc316]

*It's incredible how much WWE has fallen. Will be dead in a few years.*

Look at these dude's editing my posts again.

You are exactly why I want AEW to go out of business, because I'll be most happy knowing you are crying in your basements, and you can't edit that away!

FYI, what I said was Raw still beats Dynamite!

Quoting myself, just so you will have to edit 2 posts if you want to be cute again.

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW lost half it's audience since its debut

[xrodmuc316]

https://i2.yuki.la/a/6b/e89639125d143ce3b6b70fc49f7c8c4e6b9a2c67864d5a16dc73c1262fb746ba.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, TPWW is so insecure.

[slik]

Xrod do you go on any low traffic fast food forums and repeatedly post about how much you hate mcdonalds and claim everyone else loves it blindly while repeatedly posting dumb homemade memes you think are an ace gotcha card instead of actually conversing like a being which possesses some form of intelligence?

How did I miss this post

[Mr. Nerfect]

People have been shitting on the WWE and TNA forever and a day. But when it’s AEW suddenly people should find something else to do with their time.

[xrodmuc316]

People have been shitting on the WWE and TNA forever and a day. But when it’s AEW suddenly people should find something else to do with their time.

You don't even have to actually shit on AEW, just reply to a post celebrating the downward trend of Raw ratings to point out they are still higher than Dynamite, and fragile people can't handle it.

"DON'T NOT CELEBRATE RAW SUCKING WITH US BY REMINDING US RAW STILL OUTDRAWS DYNAMITE, YOU ASSHOLE!!!!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

The fan-base is so toxic. Look at what happened to Dylan Bostic when he confirmed that the company fucked up its pays. Anyone on here who say these people don’t exist or that people don’t have to deal with them — fuck you.

[rez]

xrod and nerfect getting picked on by the neighborhood AEW bullies :eek:

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THE HUMANITY. THE PAIN

[xrodmuc316]

xrod and nerfect getting picked on by the neighborhood AEW bullies :eek:

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THE HUMANITY. THE PAIN

You never saw the end of that movie, did you? :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol. Where have all the good posters gone? Oh, that’s right — bad wrestling chased them away.

[#1-norm-fan]

It's why Jim Ross has to constantly talk about WWE, because even his carny ass knows that if he ONLY talked about AEW, his podcast wouldn't draw shit either.

Are you referring to his nostalgia podcast with Conrad Thompson? AEW is a year old.

Also...

That is exactly what he is saying. WWE doesn't know how to book, and that's why they have lowered ratings.

Meanwhile AEW pushed the "wins and losses matter" from the very start, but somehow they have worse ratings?? If WWE's ratings are bad because of 50/50 booking, and AEW doesn't do that, what is the reason for lower ratings from Dynamite?

So even with the correct booking, AEW sucks so much they can't even draw what bad booking WWE does.

Great logic from JR as always :?:

You don't even have to actually shit on AEW, just reply to a post celebrating the downward trend of Raw ratings to point out they are still higher than Dynamite, and fragile people can't handle it.

Don’t you constantly complain about people combatting AEW arguments with “BUT WWE...”? You’re literally arguing JR’s point with “BUT AEW...” and admitting to responding to posts about Raw’s Falling ratings with “BUT DYNAMITE...”

[screech]

lol he can't even comprehend his own dumb shit

[xrodmuc316]

Don’t you constantly complain about people combatting AEW arguments with “BUT WWE...”? You’re literally arguing JR’s point with “BUT AEW...” and admitting to responding to posts about Raw’s Falling ratings with “BUT DYNAMITE...”

This situation is not the same. I am not countering a point somebody here made. I am however wondering why Jim Ross has all this great advice about what WWE is doing bad, while the company he actually works for is doing worse. Why can't he wait to talk shit when the company paying him is actually beating WWE? Answer, because he can't help himself, but that doesn't excuse the hypocrisy of it either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

JR knows he hitched his wagon to a sick horse. He’ll be out when either his contract is up or Tony Khan fires him and he gets paid out in full.

[#1-norm-fan]

This situation is not the same. I am not countering a point somebody here made.

...

You don't even have to actually shit on AEW, just reply to a post celebrating the downward trend of Raw ratings to point out they are still higher than Dynamite, and fragile people can't handle it.

Try again...

[Mr. Nerfect]

He’s right.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just because you’re a balanced poster doesn’t mean others are.

Look at BigCrippyZ for example.

[#1-norm-fan]

I mean “JR doesn’t post here so my ‘BUT AEW...’ is acceptable.” is pretty weird but for the sake of focusing on the main issue I’ll just nod and agree on that one.

[#1-norm-fan]

He’s right.

He’s not right. Those posts of his I quoted literally contradict each other. It’s clear as day and you know it. I’m one of your few supporters left. Don’t troll me, fucker.

[xrodmuc316]

...



Try again...

No, that quote has nothing to do with the earlier post I made about JR's comments, that you replied to. It has only to do with posts being edited because my response was not

"haha YES!!!! Raw lost a 3rd of their audience in 3 years we are so Elite!!! CELEBRATION!!!!"

which was the wanted response, and instead all I said was

"still higher than Dynamite's ratings".

The fact that one simple sentence pissed somebody off enough that they went and edited my post has nothing to do with JR's stupid comments.

At least remember which of my comments you were arguing with.

Separate posts, JR is an ahole. Point 1

Other point, I purposely made a but AEW post on a very basic thing, and got edited after like 10 minutes because people are fragile.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was originally arguing both points, genius. You decided to respond to the JR one because you figured out some weird excuse of JR not posting here but couldn’t think of an excuse for the other one that didn’t out you as a hypocrite. So I came back to that second one.

So let’s just say “Fuck JR” for now. Pretend I agree.

Don’t you constantly complain about people combatting AEW arguments with “BUT WWE...”? You’re literally... admitting to responding to posts about Raw’s Falling ratings with “BUT DYNAMITE...”

Here is the post where you do that exact thing...

You don't even have to actually shit on AEW, just reply to a post celebrating the downward trend of Raw ratings to point out they are still higher than Dynamite, and fragile people can't handle it.

Now are you going to try to come up with a reason that isn’t hypocritical, try to avoid the subject again, or just admit you’re a hypocrite?

[xrodmuc316]

I was originally arguing both points, genius. You decided to respond to the JR one because you figured out some weird excuse of JR not posting here but couldn’t think of an excuse for the other one that didn’t out you as a hypocrite. So I came back to that second one.

So let’s just say “Fuck JR” for now. Pretend I agree.



Here is the post where you do that exact thing...



Now are you going to try to come up with a reason that isn’t hypocritical, try to avoid the subject again, or just admit you’re a hypocrite?

Yes, 100% hypocritical by design. Meant to prove a point, which it did when it caused my post to be edited. But AEW made somebody so mad they took the time to actually edit a post.

[#1-norm-fan]

So are you “just proving a point” every time you shoehorn AEW into a WWE conversation?

[xrodmuc316]

So are you “just proving a point” every time you shoehorn AEW into a WWE conversation?

So now I can't bring up AEW when talking about WWE, or vice versa?

Tell the owner of the site to make an AEW only site, and I won't bring up WWE there.

[#1-norm-fan]

You didn’t answer my question.

I’ll take that defensive response as a “no” though.

[xrodmuc316]

You didn’t answer my question.

I’ll take that defensive response as a “no” though.

To answer your question, no I do not shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation.

[rez]

whyyyy does any of this matter????? xrod, noid...it's a new year. go fucking run around the block or something..cardio!

[rez]

There is literally 0 AEW total "fan boys" here outside of the last thread that was dedicated to Brodie jr.

I've called out the product and everyone I've seen post in the Dynamite threads do as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

To answer your question, no I do not shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation.

That wasn’t my question. At all. The words that I said were not “Do you shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation?” You tried to avoid your hypocrisy by claiming that you “BUT AEW...” Raw ratings discussions just to “prove a point”. I clearly asked if that’s your motive every time you shoehorn AEW in. (For future reference.) You answered by saying you don’t always do it.

See what I mean when I point out your horrible reading comprehension and how it prevents you from having a rational conversation? You can’t ignore it by crying foul because I used NAUGHTY WORDS or called you names. Though that’s likely the next step because if you’re unable or unwilling to have that honest, civil dialogue you claim to want then I’m at least gonna have some fun with your posts, gosh darnit.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m getting to be an old softy. I got a much better response when I was just fucking with xrod, tricking him into admitting he was reading my posts and defeating him via forfeit in real fights. I went all soft and gave him another chance when everyone else had long given up. It seems to have bitten me in the ass.

[screech]

whyyyy does any of this matter????? xrod, noid...it's a new year. go fucking run around the block or something..cardio!

I will never understand why rasslin fans, who very likely have no real stake in the game as it were, care so much about ratings.

[screech]

There is literally 0 AEW total "fan boys" here outside of the last thread that was dedicated to Brodie jr.

I've called out the product and everyone I've seen post in the Dynamite threads do as well.

Also this. The notion that this place is littered with AEW fans who smite you at the slightest criticism is laughable. Everyone who watches/posts in the threads realizes the show is not perfect and points out said flaws.

I swear it's something Noid & xrod have made up just so they can whine to us about...whatever their problem is.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think Noid and xrodmuc are fantastic. Fighting against the propaganda machine that has become AEW and their fanbase.

[Bad News Gertner]

Early numbers coming out that AEW drew 977,000 fans and NXT drew 585,000

Lmao Khan couldn't even milk a wrestlers death to break a million

[IC Champion]

AEW>WWE.

[IC Champion]

Only a blind loser living in their moms basement watches nxt and thinks it any good.

[IC Champion]

Name me a single star NXT has created?

[IC Champion]

Exactly. None. Bunch of jobbers who will be lucky if they maybe make it as a middle of the card tag team wrestler.

[xrodmuc316]

That wasn’t my question. At all. The words that I said were not “Do you shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation?"

To answer your question, no I do not shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation.


LOL What?!? Your words were am I proving a point, which no, because I don't shove AEW into every conversation about WWE. I in fact very rarely do, as I did above was more of a one off if anything.

Accuse me of shoving WWE into conversations about AEW at least, that happens pretty much every time because somebody else brings up WWE outta nowhere!

FYI, it's what got me banned, pointing out EVERY TIME WWE was brought up in a Dynamite thread.

[Bad News Gertner]

Exactly. None. Bunch of jobbers who will be lucky if they maybe make it as a middle of the card tag team wrestler.

Roman Reigns and Sasha Banks?

[slik]

They both started in FCW

Most of WWE's big talent started in FCW, PWG, ROH or Japan/UK. They don't have a lot of homegrown talent.

[slik]

Braun is probably the most successful person from NXT.

[Bad News Gertner]

N516x2izZFs

This is why demos don't matter in wrestling. This is what advertisers think wrestling fans are like

[Evil Vito]

Jesus, fuck this topic title.

[weather vane]

AEW wins AGAIN! Holy shit that’s crazy. How many weeks in a row? Like a zillion?

[xrodmuc316]

N516x2izZFs

This is why demos don't matter in wrestling. This is what advertisers think wrestling fans are like

That is the fans WWE has lost.
That is the vocal AEW fanbase.
That is "Muh Demos".

[#1-norm-fan]

Have xrod and Droford ever interacted with each other? That would be fucking wild.

[Volare]

That is the fans WWE has lost.
That is the vocal AEW fanbase.
That is "Muh Demos".

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[screech]

lol there are so many fat rasslin fans who are super obnoxious. To associate them with a specific company is incredibly stupid.

[#1-norm-fan]

I like how the video is literally a guy watching WWE and xrod somehow labels him as a representation of “the vocal AEW fan base”.

Seriously, if Droford ever comes back we need to hook these two up in a debate about something. Anything.

[screech]

xrod mentioned the Ravens one time. That's enough for Droford.

[slik]

1.915 for brand blue this week

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[xrodmuc316]

I like how the video is literally a guy watching WWE and xrod somehow labels him as a representation of “the vocal AEW fan base”.

Seriously, if Droford ever comes back we need to hook these two up in a debate about something. Anything.

SMH, a video from 6 years ago, that represents the fan base WWE has lost, which has become the current AEW fanbase. It's not that hard to understand.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d be willing to bet that guy still watches WWE. Whatever helps you shoehorn AEW into a conversation though.

Have you met my friend Droford?

[slik]

Good week in the demos for the Brodie Lee tribute for anyone curious. I wouldn't read too much into this week though since it was a tribute episode, but they might have convinced a few people to come back this week.


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[Bad News Gertner]

they'll draw their normal 850,000

[screech]

Unless people really liked what they saw from Dark Order, maybe

[weather vane]

WWE in the 500k range? Fuck that’s really bad no? RIP.

[slik]

2.127

Legends Night did what it was supposed to

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[xrodmuc316]

2.127

Legends Night did what it was supposed to

https://i.postimg.cc/SQWfSQ1t/RAW.png

Holy Shit, Hogan absolutely KILLING AEW in the ratings! Gotta hurt to see that!

"Whatcha Gonna Do Tony Khan, buy some more obscure 80's songs and brag about it on Twitter, when Hulkamania runs wild on you?!?!?"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/4ss1fc.jpg

[xrodmuc316]

After Kenny Omega showed up on Impact for a month, THEY NOW HAVE LOWER RATINGS THAN BEFORE HE SHOWED UP!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What the hell guys, you told me he was the best and a giant star???

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[Bad News Gertner]

AEW 667,000
NXT 641,000


Maybe Khan should kill Lee's son to boost ratings.

[slik]

I'm surprised either are that high tbh, I figured news would send both below 400k.

[RP]

AEW 667,000
NXT 641,000


Maybe Khan should kill Lee's son to boost ratings.

He can just buy him a new son. One from Japan.

[Jordan]

Huge victory for THE ELITE RASSLIN COMPANY. AEW much better rasslin than Dubya Dubya EEE

[weather vane]

Another week. Another win. Yawn.

[xrodmuc316]

HOLY SHIT!!! How do you have your champion's first title defense AND the return of your former champion and LOSE 310,000 viewers???

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

He made new memes guys. AEW is finished

[xrodmuc316]

He made new memes guys. AEW is finished

I wouldn't worry about new memes, at least I still watched most of the show.

You might want to figure out where 310,000 fans went though :rofl::rofl::rofl:

All I know is NXT didn't just lose 310,000 viewers from last week :'(:'(:'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve seen people blaming the news. This is despite NXT actually seeing an increase in ratings. It was 1.3 million people watching wrestling on Wednesday. That’s maybe a couple of thousand less than what usually do. The floaters tuned out. Otherwise, it was just really, really close between exploitative old Dynamite and boring old NXT. M

[slik]

Only a moron doesn't grasp viewers watching news on that day

[Jordan]

Not hard to believe NXT is still losing week after week to AEW Dynamite, which is such a great show most weeks. Did you guys get to see that german? Fucking hell that German drew some of the biggest ratings for AEW, NXT and WWE have never seen anything like that before, or Snoop's Splash which totally dominated WWE and NXT. Nobody can say that NXT beat AEW that's for sure, that's because most weeks except I think two or three AEW has dominated the ratings over NXT and WWE. And when it comes to fan engagement it's easy to see that AEW is dominant over WWE and Vince McMahon who may be able to have an AI audience for his shows but isn't able to program the AI to engage in social media so he loses again week after week being listed under AEW and Dynamite on social ratings. It really is incredible how WWE loses to AEW on so many metrics even though they have a programmed AI audience and defenders on forums like this that don't even watch the product but defend it so dearly because the programming hacks their shit so hard. Hahaha man that german was sick and drew super high ratings. Can't stop AEW because they have Cody and Mox (who rocks), Kenny and The Bucks. Don't forget Sting who outdrew Sheamus and Hogan and all he did was come out and look at Darby.

[XL]

I’ve seen people blaming the news. This is despite NXT actually seeing an increase in ratings. It was 1.3 million people watching wrestling on Wednesday. That’s maybe a couple of thousand less than what usually do. The floaters tuned out. Otherwise, it was just really, really close between exploitative old Dynamite and boring old NXT. M

NXT basically put a Takeover on, they should have gone up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I’ve seen people blaming the news. This is despite NXT actually seeing an increase in ratings. It was 1.3 million people watching wrestling on Wednesday. That’s maybe a couple of thousand less than what usually do. The floaters tuned out. Otherwise, it was just really, really close between exploitative old Dynamite and boring old NXT. M

Gertner will give you a lollipop.

[Bad News Gertner]

Some people can't handle the truth

[drave]

Or the opinions of others for that matter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Only a moron doesn't grasp viewers watching news on that day

Lol, here comes the Twitter ditz. Since you’re insulting people first, I have no problem reminding you that you are nothing but an empty-headed fame-chaser who is confused by their own thoughts and confuses them with intelligence. Stay in your lane. You talk to people on Twitter and ask them what they think. You don’t think. It’s not what you’re good at.

1.3 million viewers for wrestling on Wednesday. It’s down by maybe 200k. When has a Wednesday done significantly more? It hasn’t. Wrestling fans watch wrestling. The news is on all the time. They have it in their pockets. They don’t have to stop watching their bad dramatics to watch every single second of the news, dude. And they don’t. It’s never been that way. It’s made-up shit by Meltzer and Alvarez.

I wouldn’t call you a fucking idiot so readily, but you calling people morons for actually understanding something set me off. Fuck you and check yourself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT basically put a Takeover on, they should have gone up.

At this point I’m actively rooting for AEW to get a bullet between the eyes. I had ZERO clue what NXT was doing. I’m sure it helped them (as did an apparent overrun — something AEW still can’t secure), but imagine if they actually, you know, hyped it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some people can't handle the truth

They absolutely can’t. They think they’re in a war when the number of people watching on Wednesday has remained almost exactly the same. WWE has secured its future enough that they are now offering Matt Riddle less money than Mike Bennett to stay with them. Because where the fuck else are you going to go?

This thing is a shart.

[Jordan]

Lol, here comes the Twitter ditz. Since you’re insulting people first, I have no problem reminding you that you are nothing but an empty-headed fame-chaser who is confused by their own thoughts and confuses them with intelligence. Stay in your lane. You talk to people on Twitter and ask them what they think. You don’t think. It’s not what you’re good at.

1.3 million viewers for wrestling on Wednesday. It’s down by maybe 200k. When has a Wednesday done significantly more? It hasn’t. Wrestling fans watch wrestling. The news is on all the time. They have it in their pockets. They don’t have to stop watching their bad dramatics to watch every single second of the news, dude. And they don’t. It’s never been that way. It’s made-up shit by Meltzer and Alvarez.

I wouldn’t call you a fucking idiot so readily, but you calling people morons for actually understanding something set me off. Fuck you and check yourself.

Noid or should I called you ALIENOID14 since that is the amount of teeth you have in your skull after rough sucking XRods e-cock? You DO NOT have any right to speak to The King of the Wrestling Forum and the Prince of Tpww like that. I am drafting banning articles effective immediately and you can expect to see a big red x every time you sign into the rasslin forum to spread your fascist rhetoric and try to influence the vulnerable members of this great forum. You have crossed a line Alienoid and you will feel the force of the banhammer when you get Rob
Ban Terminated out of this forum through a wooden banner covered in ban tacks wrapped in ban wire.

[drave]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Amazing promo. Love it.

But let me tell you something. I cut my 14 teeth trying to learn and understand wrestling at these forums. I got spanked, I got punched — I HAD to learn. Now I stand here while the Kane Knight’s, Rob’s, road doggy dogg’s, Skippord’s, Tovo’s, CSL’s and Xero Limit’s don’t. I thought I wanted to take them all down on a loopydate, but now I realize that what I wanted to cut down to make myself is what I want back.

Gone are the days of logical wrestling discussion. Gone are the days of people who half-way knew what they were looking at. Gone is the guilt and gone is the innocence. All that is left is cosmic justice, and the gavel comes down on modern professional wrestling and the people who profess it is good.

Enjoy what you enjoy, but do not push poison to me and tell me it’s chocolate.

[slik]

Gone are the days of logical wrestling discussion

The perfect summation of all your posts.

[slik]

Every time real world shit happens, AEW ratings drop, NXT ratings remain roughly the same because their base doesn't seem as interested in the real world.

[slik]

Jordan X dropping a great promo, he has CENA NUFF

[Mr. Nerfect]

The perfect summation of all your posts.

Oof. Nice try. But oof.

Every time real world shit happens, AEW ratings drop, NXT ratings remain roughly the same because their base doesn't seem as interested in the real world.

Yes, anytime anything else exiting happens, AEW fans bail. Clap, clap. Good point.

Fucking idiot.

[xrodmuc316]

Every time real world shit happens, AEW ratings drop, NXT ratings remain roughly the same because their base doesn't seem as interested in the real world.

AEW fans care about the real world, which consists of Aliens and Dinosaurs, Pandas and Zombies, and Sting's mythical ability to control the weather. The real world where falling in Orange Juice is devastating and a wrecked Mini Van is fighting words. The real world where people just add random flips to everyday things. Why just put a letter in the mailbox by opening said mailbox when you could instead do a cartwheel then backflip and then open the mailbox instead.

Real World Stuff...

[screech]

:lol: Noid complaining about lack of logical discussion when his entire gimmick has been "what you like sucks and you're shit for liking it" for like two years.

[slik]

Cody a huge draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thursday's series premiere of &quot;Go-Big Show&quot; on TBS marked the best unscripted series launch at the network in three years. <a href="https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md">https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md</a></p>&mdash; TheWrap (@TheWrap) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/1347670569882431494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Cody a huge draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thursday's series premiere of &quot;Go-Big Show&quot; on TBS marked the best unscripted series launch at the network in three years. <a href="https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md">https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md</a></p>&mdash; TheWrap (@TheWrap) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/1347670569882431494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FALSE!

Cody + Snoop on AEW = 644,000 Rating

Go Big Show = 1,000,000 Rating, which AEW doesn't get with Cody + Snoop

Therefore, the only logical and rational conclusion is...

Rosario Dawson and Jennifer Nettles are the huge draws.

AEW Loses AGAIN!

[screech]

Damn nice @go big show

I have no interest in that show, but clearly lots of people do. Good for them.

[Triple A]

Only a moron doesn't grasp viewers watching news on that day

https://i.imgur.com/PNmh8kL.png

[slik]

SD - 2.002 million

https://i.postimg.cc/HLC82pbV/Fast-Demo-2021-Jan-08-FRI.png

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh wow, 3 and a half times more than AEW.

That's what happens when you put on a great product: people will watch over the news if it's good.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oof. Nice try. But oof.



Yes, anytime anything else exiting happens, AEW fans bail. Clap, clap. Good point.

Fucking idiot.

I keep changing the thread titles to reflect the truth but the Misinformation Police keep changing it back. It really hurts them badly how stagnated AEW's ratings are.

[xrodmuc316]

I keep changing the thread titles to reflect the truth but the Misinformation Police keep changing it back. It really hurts them badly how stagnated AEW's ratings are.

You mean how they wrote AEW holds strong, even though they lost 310,000 viewers LMAO!

"OHHHHH OHHHHH BUT THE NEWS!!!!"

Maybe they should have paid CM Punk what he wanted :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

:lol: Noid complaining about lack of logical discussion when his entire gimmick has been "what you like sucks and you're shit for liking it" for like two years.

Where’s the lie? I can explain why Matt Hardy, Alexa Bliss and AEW all suck. I have many times. All you lazy cunts have is mocking me for it. How about an actual argument?

Nope? Okay. Move along, bitch.

SmackDown being the best wrestling show on television, both in terms of commercial success and creative, is an indictment on modern wrestling.

[xrodmuc316]

Where’s the lie? I can explain why Matt Hardy, Alexa Bliss and AEW all suck. I have many times. All you lazy cunts have is mocking me for it. How about an actual argument?

Nope? Okay. Move along, bitch.

SmackDown being the best wrestling show on television, both in terms of commercial success and creative, is an indictment on modern wrestling.

Why counter argue when they can just say "oh fuck you fuckwad stupid asshole!" ???

It's a genius level of clapback, because you get 2 or 3 other people to do it with you, then you are UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!

Seriously though, how come Smackdown triples AEW in ratings? That's not very Elite :rofl:

[BigCrippyZ]

Gone are the days of logical wrestling discussion. Gone are the days of people who half-way knew what they were looking at. Gone is the guilt and gone is the innocence. All that is left is cosmic justice, and the gavel comes down on modern professional wrestling and the people who profess it is good.

:lol:

[Jordan]

Why counter argue when they can just say "oh fuck you fuckwad stupid asshole!" ???

It's a genius level of clapback, because you get 2 or 3 other people to do it with you, then you are UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!

Seriously though, how come Smackdown triples AEW in ratings? That's not very Elite :rofl:

I get that there is a whole gimmick taking place here. But in case you actually care about what you are constantly trolling about...

Why is Smackdown rated higher than AEW? Because it's on Fox which is a network meaning available via antenna so people who don't pay for cable can watch the channel for free. USA and TNT are cable channels meaning you have to pay a cable company to watch the channel. That's also why Smackdown is rated higher than Raw.

Raw is the flagship show in all of pro wrestling to the majority of fans in my expert opinion. It has been on cable for nearly 30 years. WWE has been the top wrestling promotion in the US and the World for nearly 40 years. The brand recognition is obvious. The majority of fans on this forum and online have been begging for a new company to take 2nd place to WWE. Nobody in their right mind could ever expect within a couple of years for WWE to be losing ratings to a new company. But in many ways AEW has superceded all expectation of a new company. They have a years long tv rights deal that has them financially set to the point they can operate without fans and still pay top tier talent. They have more PPV buyers than any wrestling company in the world. And every Wednesday night for the past year with the exception of two or three they have soundly defeated WWE programing.

Whatever your disdain for flip flop and fly or a different style of booking... Whatever your issue is you really don't make any productive points on it. It would be make the board much more interesting if you could actually take the time to put out well thought out critique or talking points.

[xrodmuc316]

I get that there is a whole gimmick taking place here. But in case you actually care about what you are constantly trolling about...

Why is Smackdown rated higher than AEW? Because it's on Fox which is a network meaning available via antenna so people who don't pay for cable can watch the channel for free. USA and TNT are cable channels meaning you have to pay a cable company to watch the channel. That's also why Smackdown is rated higher than Raw.

Raw is the flagship show in all of pro wrestling to the majority of fans in my expert opinion. It has been on cable for nearly 30 years. WWE has been the top wrestling promotion in the US and the World for nearly 40 years. The brand recognition is obvious. The majority of fans on this forum and online have been begging for a new company to take 2nd place to WWE. Nobody in their right mind could ever expect within a couple of years for WWE to be losing ratings to a new company. But in many ways AEW has superceded all expectation of a new company. They have a years long tv rights deal that has them financially set to the point they can operate without fans and still pay top tier talent. They have more PPV buyers than any wrestling company in the world. And every Wednesday night for the past year with the exception of two or three they have soundly defeated WWE programing.

Whatever your disdain for flip flop and fly or a different style of booking... Whatever your issue is you really don't make any productive points on it. It would be make the board much more interesting if you could actually take the time to put out well thought out critique or talking points.

Not trolling the actual ratings.

100% real question is why is it alright to brag about AEW getting 700,000 viewers, but Smackdown triples that and it is diminished and excused, as you just did?

I don't care one bit about ratings, but if 700,000 is cause for celebration and bragging, then 2.1 million cannot be glossed over just because it's not AEW.

Also, they do not have more pay per view buys. WWE Network has what, 1.5 million paid subscribers? That's another case where you are framing success based on a tiny piece of data that does not represent the full story.

100,000 people bought and watched All Out. 1.5 million people are purchasing and watching WWE Network each month, which includes their PPVs. Just because WWE isn't selling PPVs through cable companies doesn't mean AEW has a bigger fanbase.

Just like a show being on Fox vs TNT doesn't mean AEW is doing better with less viewers. It is such a skewed way to interpret it.

[Jordan]

You have some points but none of this is worth fighting for. We'd all like for AEW to be getting 1.2 or more every week but it does fit into the bigger picture. Smackdown in it's height on UPN averaged in the 4.0 area, Raw even higher with obvious peaks that were much higher. This is with the time though, no streaming, if you wanted to watch it you had to watch it live or set your tv and vcr up to record. Which still registered as a live watch. Cable overall is down at this time, thus WWE is down. But with that adjustment they are still doing some of the biggest numbers on cable. And with the current situation AEW is one of the top rated entertainment shows on Wednesday night every week. So even though we'd all prefer wrestling to be scoring better, in reality it's not that bad. I'm still dealing with years of abuse from WWE, so are many others and thus naturally we are mostly on board with the new product that engages our nostalgia and lust for exciting action and stories that are for wrestling fans. WWE is still geared to pleasing Vince and that is the big difference when it comes to fandom for AEW. I don't think anyone here wants WWE to fail, but while it is spiraling downward (creatively) as it has for years, we are more than pleased to enjoy AEW, which for the most part WE are the target audience for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you ever want evidence that Dave Meltzer is a biased cunt actively spreading disinformation to people, look at how AEW’s PPV “success” has been covered. Meltzer deliberately conflates worldwide data with other promotions’ domestic and terrestrial success.

AEW received about 75k domestic buys through all platforms. I think that’s their best one. ECW would routinely get 99k thousand back before streaming was an option. Does Meltzer report it like this? No. AEW has done better than anyone except WCW.

Fuck him. And fuck anyone who should know better than spreads this shit.

And SmackDown more than triples AEW’s rating because it is a far superior show. You can take from that whatever good or bad that you want. If you like SmackDown, good for you. If you want to shake your head at how a WWE program is tea-bagging the “alternative” that had an open shot, go with that too.

I’m ambivalent at this point. I hate WWE’s monopoly and most things the company does, but they are SO much better than what you get from these smug “we’re (not so) different” promotions that the schadenfreude of the WWE dropping the leg is pretty funny. And SmackDown does objectively have the better stars, the better workers and in many cases the better stories.

So yeah, fuck AEW.

[slik]

1.82 million for RAW this week up against the college championship, which did monster numbers

Interesting thing is instead of holding steady to hr 3 w/ tease of Orton vs HHH they lost half a million viewers instead essentially

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[weather vane]

If you ever want evidence that Dave Meltzer is a biased cunt actively spreading disinformation to people, look at how AEW’s PPV “success” has been covered. Meltzer deliberately conflates worldwide data with other promotions’ domestic and terrestrial success.

AEW received about 75k domestic buys through all platforms. I think that’s their best one. ECW would routinely get 99k thousand back before streaming was an option. Does Meltzer report it like this? No. AEW has done better than anyone except WCW.

Fuck him. And fuck anyone who should know better than spreads this shit.

And SmackDown more than triples AEW’s rating because it is a far superior show. You can take from that whatever good or bad that you want. If you like SmackDown, good for you. If you want to shake your head at how a WWE program is tea-bagging the “alternative” that had an open shot, go with that too.

I’m ambivalent at this point. I hate WWE’s monopoly and most things the company does, but they are SO much better than what you get from these smug “we’re (not so) different” promotions that the schadenfreude of the WWE dropping the leg is pretty funny. And SmackDown does objectively have the better stars, the better workers and in many cases the better stories.

So yeah, fuck AEW.

You mad?

[Evil Vito]

He mad.

[screech]

Odd he cares so much about a product he's admitted to no longer watching.

[xrodmuc316]

1.82 million for RAW this week up against the college championship, which did monster numbers

Interesting thing is instead of holding steady to hr 3 w/ tease of Orton vs HHH they lost half a million viewers instead essentially

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Also interesting, even with losing 500,000 viewers, well, you know, its still more than Dynamite :cool:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I can't imagine wasting so much time and energy hating on a wrestling promotion you hate as well as posting long diatribes telling people they're wrong for liking it.

[xrodmuc316]

I can't imagine wasting so much time and energy hating on a wrestling promotion you hate as well as posting long diatribes telling people they're wrong for liking it.

I can't imagine hating on something you hate takes much effort.

[BigCrippyZ]

I can't imagine hating on something you hate takes much effort.

I can't imagine being dumb and pathetic enough to waste even one second of my time commenting or critiquing something that I actually hate.

[Maluco]

I sort of get the frustration. I genuinely thought for so many years with ratings tanking, that WWE would realize how bad they have gotten and do something drastic. But they just get worse and worse. I miss WWF so much! I was always a big wrestling fan so it sucks that it’s basically unwatchable now.

I was interested in AEW but then you switch the channel and have the same stupid stuff going on there. There isn’t much elite about it. I think it’s the anger and disappointment that someone comes along and offers hope, but just don’t deliver (maybe while acting like they do)

It’s actually insane how bad wrestling has gotten today. We all laughed at TNA back when, but it was actually amazing at its peak compared to the dross being served up today.

Wrestling, across the board, has lost its way big time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Odd he cares so much about a product he's admitted to no longer watching.

Odd that people have been doing this about wrestling for 20 fucking years you daft cunt. People have been lamenting the state of wrestling since the end of the Attitude era. But I guess it’s only okay to complain about Triple H’s Reign of Terror, JBL’s Reign of Tedium, 2006 DX, the mishandling of talent and Cena’s pushes.

Take swipes at AEW as a passionate wrestling fan and it’s a completely a different standard. Fuck you and your attempts to shame people into not caring about what they care about. Fucking narc.

I sort of get the frustration. I genuinely thought for so many years with ratings tanking, that WWE would realize how bad they have gotten and do something drastic. But they just get worse and worse. I miss WWF so much! I was always a big wrestling fan so it sucks that it’s basically unwatchable now.

I was interested in AEW but then you switch the channel and have the same stupid stuff going on there. There isn’t much elite about it. I think it’s the anger and disappointment that someone comes along and offers hope, but just don’t deliver (maybe while acting like they do)

It’s actually insane how bad wrestling has gotten today. We all laughed at TNA back when, but it was actually amazing at its peak compared to the dross being served up today.

Wrestling, across the board, has lost its way big time.

Yes! Amazing post. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can't imagine being dumb and pathetic enough to waste even one second of my time commenting or critiquing something that I actually hate.

Lol. WWE. And go.

[screech]

2006-09 TNA, for all of the terrible booking and whatnot that went on, had a lot of great matches.

[Maluco]

2006-09 TNA, for all of the terrible booking and whatnot that went on, had a lot of great matches.

Thats what I am saying though. I agree with you. But people still laughed at the mistakes they were making and the amateur stuff that went on. It actually had amazing matches and some great feuds though.

Today, everything means nothing. Titles mean nothing, moves mean nothing, TV means nothing. It is trash, even compared to, at the time, the much maligned TNA of 10 years ago.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TNA was a point of derision for basically its entire run. There’s a 2004-2006 period where people were somewhat hopeful, but it was still marred by bad booking and ridiculous ideas.

I have no clue why AEW gets to escape. My thinking is that wrestling is so much WORSE now that people will take anything. I remember when people told me Braun Strowman was over. You tune into Raw and he gets, like, 200 cheers. The rest is people just sitting and clapping or standing to see what happens. But it was quiet as shit every time I saw him. Because I hadn’t conditioned myself to that crap.

I’m willing to bet a significant number of AEW fans still put themselves through watching the WWE. Hence their low standards.


The only other thing is that this company has a lot more accessible capital than TNA and constantly blows the fans. They’ve tried to make them feel a part of something, a bit like the marks in ECW.

But how anyone can sit around and logically defend AEW as being a significantly smarter, more mature, more pro-wrestling company is insane. They’ve turned Chris Jericho into a fat musical comedy act. They’ve squandered the potential of nearly every single person that had it. MJF is a comedy act. Adam Page is a comedy drunk in the loser group. Miro came in, as I said he would, as a parody of his WWE act. FTR are doing basically what they would be doing in WWE except with worse talent.

NONE of this is a lie. This is about as close to observable fact as it gets. WWE, TNA, WCW, whoever would get BLASTED for being this inept.

I saw a video of a girl on YouTube talking about why she hates AEW so much. She was prettt annoying, but her points were spot-on. Her points about their booking made her seem smarter than the company.

Raw is a sludge-pit of nothing and wrestling fans STILL prefer it. That is sad. A good, two-hour, pinpoint, priority program on Wednesday nights should be able to beat three hours of tedium. But it can’t. Because it’s not worth the switch. How sad is that?

I’m so mad at wrestling. It doesn’t have to be bad. This is the ego of the people involved, mixing with their stupidity, to create something insulting to the senses.

The matches aren’t good. The promos aren’t good. The stories are babyish. The “characters” are ridiculous and dumbed down to amazing degrees. It’s nepotistic. It’s fucking wasteful. The amount of waste on these shows and in their ledgers is ridiculous. Six figures confirmed for Marko Stunt. You can’t get CM Punk, who hates WWE, but you can afford to spend money on Marko fucking Stunt. Argh! I wonder how much Hornswoggle got paid for his comedy segment that was entirely not like something WWE would do? Vickie Guerrero?

Wrestling needs to die. This shit is too much.

Someone explain to me why Hornswoggle, Marko Stunt, the self-destruction of Chris Jericho and wasting talent are good things. And I don’t want to hear “wait and see” as an excuse. “They’re being bad on purpose” is not going to cut it either.

[screech]

Thats what I am saying though. I agree with you. But people still laughed at the mistakes they were making and the amateur stuff that went on. It actually had amazing matches and some great feuds though.

Today, everything means nothing. Titles mean nothing, moves mean nothing, TV means nothing. It is trash, even compared to, at the time, the much maligned TNA of 10 years ago.

The increase in false finishes and "big moves" not winning matches is not helping. I get that you want to build some drama, but there is a line between that and spamming finishers.

[#1-norm-fan]

They’ve turned Chris Jericho into a fat musical comedy act.

I think drunken trips to Wendy’s did that.

[screech]

lol so where does "AEW forced Jericho to hit the sauce a bit too hard" fit in the "I want logical wrestling discussion" argument?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think drunken trips to Wendy’s did that.

I blame alcohol and self-loathing myself.

lol so where does "AEW forced Jericho to hit the sauce a bit too hard" fit in the "I want logical wrestling discussion" argument?

They pay him $3 million to take no responsibility for his health and well-being. Yes, Jericho is a grown-ass man, but the WWE cut Kurt Angle when they saw the path he was on in 2006. Jericho is CLEARLY having a very public mid-life meltdown. If his health and weight weren’t getting to him, why would he go on Twitter and post pictures of him sucking in his gut to make himself look like he’s in better shape than he is?

But this company won’t send him home. They won’t ask him to stay in some sort of presentable shape that doesn’t embarrass a whole bunch of potentially new viewers. They don’t even ask him to stop going to South Dakota or wherever the fuck and stop spreading a potentially fatal disease. They’re just marks that are happy to have “Omg, omg, omg! It’s Chris Jericho! He beat Austin and Rock in the same night!” there to buy him birthday cakes and do whatever the fuck he wants on their show.

That’s how it fits into logical wrestling discussion, you boot-licker.

[#1-norm-fan]

Most of the best wrestlers ever were guys who didn’t give a shit about their health and were often big fat tubs.

Most wrestlers today are the exact opposite of that. And they’re terrible.

[Maluco]

The increase in false finishes and "big moves" not winning matches is not helping. I get that you want to build some drama, but there is a line between that and spamming finishers.

Definitely. But also, no selling, no psychology and no actual stories within matches to differentiate them. It’s so far from what wrestling should be.

[Sepholio]

It's sad watching Jericho go downhill tbh. He was/is one of the best ever as far as I'm concerned. I have an odd personal Mount Rushmore of wrasslin and he would be on it. I have no doubt that when he first started putting on weight for his run in Japan that he was doing it for the creative reasons he has claimed in the past; but somewhere along the way, particularly after AEW got up and running, he just let himself go. It's not a gimmick anymore, he has legit gone over the edge and it just spiraling downwards. Maybe some of it has to do with Fozzy finally getting some mainstream success too, I dunno. All I know is that it makes me sad watching one of the all time greats in my eyes go down like this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Definitely. But also, no selling, no psychology and no actual stories within matches to differentiate them. It’s so far from what wrestling should be.

It’s evolved, Cornette mark. It’s gone past 30 minute headlocks. We’ve gotten rid of the useless stories and now we focus on the ACTION because the ACTION is what people want to see.

Why are we less popular than ever and unable to retain about 50% of people who were willing to check us out in the first place? Uhhh. Evolution. And they’re not real wrestling fans anyway.

[slik]

AEW - 762
NXT - 551

Look at CNN's ratings for the impeachment, damn...NXT taps out to a show called Assisted Living


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[weather vane]

Should NXT fold?

[Jordan]

Damn the news is killing it.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW - 762
NXT - 551

Look at CNN's ratings for the impeachment, damn...NXT taps out to a show called Assisted Living


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Should NXT fold?

Considering NXT gets paid more from USA, and their payroll is a fraction of the the payroll that Money Mark has created by giving anybody who asks the "best pro wrestling contract they ever had", I'm thinking financially NXT will be just fine.

It's cool that you guys consistently cheerlead though.

[XL]

Hook, line...

[Bad News Gertner]

So which celebrity or has been wrestler are they going to bring in next to draw the same 750,000 viewers

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Trump is the greatest babyface in cable news history

[screech]

So which celebrity or has been wrestler are they going to bring in next to draw the same 750,000 viewers

Will Tyson come back?

[slik]

Far Right grifter Brad Shepard buries WWE

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENXT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENXT</a> (Paul's failed developmental territory) lost in the viewership battle this week to a show called Assisted Living. Which I can understand because that's the same age demo that also watches <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> these days. <a href="https://t.co/Z54JFvrxuo">pic.twitter.com/Z54JFvrxuo</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@TheBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1349831927306612741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Far Right grifter Brad Shepard buries WWE

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENXT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENXT</a> (Paul's failed developmental territory) lost in the viewership battle this week to a show called Assisted Living. Which I can understand because that's the same age demo that also watches <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> these days. <a href="https://t.co/Z54JFvrxuo">pic.twitter.com/Z54JFvrxuo</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@TheBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1349831927306612741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who?

[Ultra Mantis]

The news is clearly the best show on a Wednesday night. It has the most entertaining storylines and conflict. The writing is on point. All of the characters have clear direction. It's no surprise that the news is really dominating these other shows in the entertainment genre. If you're not watching the news on a Wednesday night and you live in America, what the fuck are you even doing with your life? Just stop existing. Imagine watching anything else but the news lol. Pathetic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.3 million fans on a Wednesday. Sound familiar?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Considering AEW splits ad revenue with TNT, provided both shows had an equal rate (NXT’s is probably higher at base, but ignoring that), AEW would need to do twice as well as NXT to end up as profitable for TNT is as NXT. That’s also assuming that NXT charges $45 million for rights. If it’s cheaper, then that’s even more money saved by USA. Yeah, that’s the show that’s gonna move.

[xrodmuc316]

Considering AEW splits ad revenue with TNT, provided both shows had an equal rate (NXT’s is probably higher at base, but ignoring that), AEW would need to do twice as well as NXT to end up as profitable for TNT is as NXT. That’s also assuming that NXT charges $45 million for rights. If it’s cheaper, then that’s even more money saved by USA. Yeah, that’s the show that’s gonna move.

Facts aren't as cool as bragging about 700,000 viewers though:cool::rofl:

And NXT actually got $50 million, not $45 million. Tony Khan is a turd wasting his father's money so he can have "friends".

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He’s definitely mad.

[drave]

:lol:

[IC Champion]

Considering AEW splits ad revenue with TNT, provided both shows had an equal rate (NXT’s is probably higher at base, but ignoring that), AEW would need to do twice as well as NXT to end up as profitable for TNT is as NXT. That’s also assuming that NXT charges $45 million for rights. If it’s cheaper, then that’s even more money saved by USA. Yeah, that’s the show that’s gonna move.

It’s almost as if one company is on a “prove-it” deal, while the other has been an established television entity for decades, with far more leverage in turn.

[IC Champion]

AEW has the key demos Vince dreams of, but can’t get because he’s terrible at producing anything close to resembling an entertaining product. RAW and Smackdown are barely watchable, and have been for 4 years at least. I think I’m even being generous saying “barely”. I don’t think I’ll watch WWE product again until Vince dies. I just can’t do it to myself, nor should any of you.

[screech]

Smackdown has been much better than RAW in the last ~6 months to me, at least.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW has the key demos Vince dreams of, but can’t get because he’s terrible at producing anything close to resembling an entertaining product. RAW and Smackdown are barely watchable, and have been for 4 years at least. I think I’m even being generous saying “barely”. I don’t think I’ll watch WWE product again until Vince dies. I just can’t do it to myself, nor should any of you.

Except on Monday and Friday, when Vince gets higher "key demo" ratings than AEW does on Wednesday. But of course, Wednesday is the only day demos matter right?

[drave]

Right!


Thanks for coming to the TED talk.

[IC Champion]

Except on Monday and Friday, when Vince gets higher "key demo" ratings than AEW does on Wednesday. But of course, Wednesday is the only day demos matter right?

What, they 40+ crowd?

[xrodmuc316]

What, they 40+ crowd?

RAW 18-34 =.35
AEW 18-34 =.15

Try again.

[Nark Order]

Fucking narc

What in the hell did I do?

[drave]

you enjoyed something, maybe

[IC Champion]

RAW 18-34 =.35
AEW 18-34 =.15

Try again.

Now do NXT.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I'm curious what Raw would do against AEW and if the audience would be as split as it is against NXT. I'd goes Raw would win but I'm curious to see how many viewers they'd lose if AEW did do a Monday night show.

[xrodmuc316]

Now do NXT.

Did I say NXT in my original reply to your dumb take about demos, that you oh so cleverly responded to about 40+ year olds??

Pretty sure I said Monday and Friday demos, and how your attempted argument is that demos only matter on Wednesdays.

You just reaffirmed that your argument is a .15 on Wednesday is awesome and makes Vince McMahon jealous, but the .35 he just got on Monday doesn't matter. Even though it was more than double, Dynamite, it wasn't on Wednesday, so "ohhhh AEW!!!".

Every week people pretend AEW is killing it, but a .15 in 18-34 only looks good when compared to NXT. Acting like ratings are the most important thing to prove AEW is great while ignoring much higher Raw ratings and Smackdown ratings because it buries your narrative is bullshit and I'll call it out EVERY time.

Why the need to pretend Wednesday is the only day ratings matter?

Answer, because your geeking out makes no sense otherwise.

[IC Champion]

But you’re being disingenuous, you’re comparing apples to pomegranates. RAW has zero competition.

[xrodmuc316]

But you’re being disingenuous, you’re comparing apples to pomegranates. RAW has zero competition.

Yeah, there is never Monday Night Football or anything.

This past Raw didn't air against the NCAA Football Championship, poor Dynamite has all the real competition! :roll:

SO ELITE!!!!!!

[IC Champion]

If Vince was a real man he’d move Raw to Wednesday’s.

[xrodmuc316]

If Vince was a real man he’d move Raw to Wednesday’s.

Could you imagine how much crying their would be if Vince actually moved a show to air against Dynamite??

Shit look how much of a fit they still have about NXT airing Wednesdays, you know NXT, the show that has been airing at 8pm since 2014. You listen to AEW, and you would think NXT stole AEW's timeslot.

Nevermind that NXT got picked up by USA to replace Smackdown before Dynamite even debuted. Also nevermind that the original trademark was for Thursday Night Dynamite.

None of those true facts fit the story of "the Big Bad WWE trying to hurt poor old AEW", so let's ignore all that, and then act like Vince McMahon is scarred of the underdog bitches that can't draw 1 million viewers no matter how many former WWE guys they sign.

[screech]

If Vince was a real man he’d move Raw to Wednesday’s.

That's just the kick in the ass RAW needs!

[IC Champion]

Could you imagine how much crying their would be if Vince actually moved a show to air against Dynamite??

Shit look how much of a fit they still have about NXT airing Wednesdays, you know NXT, the show that has been airing at 8pm since 2014. You listen to AEW, and you would think NXT stole AEW's timeslot.

Nevermind that NXT got picked up by USA to replace Smackdown before Dynamite even debuted. Also nevermind that the original trademark was for Thursday Night Dynamite.

None of those true facts fit the story of "the Big Bad WWE trying to hurt poor old AEW", so let's ignore all that, and then act like Vince McMahon is scarred of the underdog bitches that can't draw 1 million viewers no matter how many former WWE guys they sign.

So you’re agreeing Vince is a scaredy-cat, and wouldn’t do it?

[slik]

I wonder if this is Hasney's most successful thread

[IC Champion]

Who?