Ratings Thread

[Mr. Nerfect]

Media consumption is definitely changing, but the mediums changing affects content and content affects how the mediums change. Wrestling could be at the forefront of this shift, or it could be helping cable to remain more viable. “People watch streaming” isn’t the magic hand-waving a lot of people use it as. It’s another version of “there’s something better on.”

[Bad News Gertner]

2.618 million for Smackdown

[xrodmuc316]

But, but I thought Fan said he was a draw...
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Fan All Like...

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[Mr. Nerfect]

431k in 18-49 in 2022 on a Friday night is not too bad, all things consi…wait…that’s the entire viewership?!?

Rip.

[xrodmuc316]

431k in 18-49 in 2022 on a Friday night is not too bad, all things consi…wait…that’s the entire viewership?!?

Rip.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

xrod in SHAMBLES still trying desperately to get some heat back via nonsensical GOTCHAS. Oof.

I failed miserably, clearly

[Mr. Nerfect]

2.005 mil for Raw. They went up against pre-season football.

[xrodmuc316]

2.005 mil for Raw. They went up against pre-season football.

Not just the Raw ratings crushing, Johnny Wrestling KILLING it on Youtube!

https://i.imgflip.com/6qxxl3.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ouch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

With Big Bang Theory being a bigger draw and having more cultural value, I would not be surprise to see AEW moved to late night time slots in coming weeks. Well, Rampage is already there. But I don’t know why a company hemorrhaging money would keep Dynamite on when they can just dig into the archives and put something better/more popular on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m interested to see the effect Clash at the Castle has on WWE’s business (if any) in the UK. They’re on a platform with way less access than AEW, but a real belter of a show could get WWE closer to having its cake (more money for the exclusive deal) and eating it too (still being the most watched product anyway).

[Mr. Nerfect]

678k for NXT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.049 for Dynamite. Another win for AEW.

[slik]

AEW Dynamite - 1.05 million

[slik]

On their podcast Meltzer told Alvarez if Dynamite keeps up hot shows like he felt last night was then RAW could be in trouble come fall.

Dave said the Punk/Mox angle has to be one of the top angles of the year already because everyone is talking about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raw has been around for 29 years. Dynamite has only been around for 3. So if you multiply Dynamite’s rating by 10, you basically get 10.49 million. I don’t necessarily like that AEW are kicking WWE’s ass, but the numbers don’t lie.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On their podcast Meltzer told Alvarez if Dynamite keeps up hot shows like he felt last night was then RAW could be in trouble come fall.

Dave said the Punk/Mox angle has to be one of the top angles of the year already because everyone is talking about it.

:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Chris Jericho said Dynamite would be beating Raw? That was like a year ago.

A champion shitting the bed is not a great angle. People are talking about how bad it is, or muttering up spineless defenses for it. This was Fingerpoke of Doom stuff. The ratings are barely up for a unification match between World Champions. They’re behind 1 MILLION viewers against a 3 hr dinosaur that airs on a tougher night of television. And attention does not equate to approval. How many people do you think were impressed by Dynamite this week?

He’s such a stooge. Here’s a prediction for next week: the ratings will be down to 970k or something. And all the shills will come out and defend this like it’s a good thing and a sign of growth.

[slik]

Alvarez did ask Dave to clarify if he meant in terms of total viewers because Alvarez said he can't see that ever happening and Dave clarified he meant in 'the demo', not number of viewers

[xrodmuc316]

They have been about to overtake Raw for 150 episodes :cool:

[xrodmuc316]

WWE is paid as much for one episode of Raw as AEW is paid for like 4 months of Dynamite. Talk to me when AEW wins that metric :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE is paid as much for one episode of Raw as AEW is paid for like 4 months of Dynamite. Talk to me when AEW wins that metric :rofl:

Their fanatics defend it with AEW being cheaper, which they turn into a win. Ignoring that ad slots need to be bought on the shows, I guess.

[Bad News Gertner]

They put their two biggest start on t.v in a desperate attempt to beat TNA's 2012 ratings

[Mr. Nerfect]

Alvarez did ask Dave to clarify if he meant in terms of total viewers because Alvarez said he can't see that ever happening and Dave clarified he meant in 'the demo', not number of viewers

Well the demo is an archaic metric in today’s culture, especially on cable. If advertisers want to reach 18 yr olds, they will use other methods. And AEW’s 18-49 are closer to 49. So to call that a win is to be living in a different universe.

Why does he think WWE has gone after younger viewers than that on purpose? Why didn’t WWE get a raging hot deal for being consistently #1 prior to this most recent round of negotiations? He doesn’t have a fucking clue how television works, and he doesn’t have a clue how to even apply common sense to the ratings situation. He gets lost in them having any context whatsoever.

Raw is also killing them in every single demo right now. Every. Single. Demo. They’ve broken away. The 18-49 numbers for Raw this past week were 0.57, 0.55 and 0.53 (out of prime time). AEW got 0.34 on a fucking Wednesday.

It’s not even fucking close.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They put their two biggest start on t.v in a desperate attempt to beat TNA's 2012 ratings

I can’t remember what TNA was getting in 2012. Did they succeed? I’m guessing no.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Different times, right? Yeah, of the millions of people with cable in their homes, more watched wrestling then.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is AEW still doing horrible with women? I’m willing to bet yes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine thinking advertisers care more about fat white guys who only spend money on pizza and wrestling than women in 2022. It’s almost as if Dave is out of touch.

[#1-norm-fan]

Is AEW still doing horrible with women? I’m willing to bet yes.

Not nearly as bad as you and xrod.

[ron the dial]

good to see THIS is still going on!

[Bad News Gertner]

I can’t remember what TNA was getting in 2012. Did they succeed? I’m guessing no.

They were getting around 1.3 million around this time

[#1-norm-fan]

And Raw was getting like 4.5 million at that time. Oof.

[Bad News Gertner]

Raw's getting closer and closer to that number!

And actually, it's more like Raw has 40 million viewers since you have to count the Peacock subscribers.

[XL]

130m if you include YouTube subscribers who are probably watching the full show every week.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tony's got some work to do!

[Mr. Nerfect]

They were getting around 1.3 million around this time

Ouch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW fans love to make excuses like “People watch other ways!” The irony is that is probably way more true for a 3 hr Raw than Dynamite. When I watch, I use a streaming service that carries WWE. I wonder how much money they get for that on top of their multiple TV deals in Australia?

For those wondering, AEW has 0 deals in Australia, because it isn’t very good.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol @ Noid thinking Australia matters.

[Bad News Gertner]

They really shouldn't be calling their title a "World Title"

[#1-norm-fan]

Need to lure that coveted Australian audience by creating the “Shrimp on the Barbie, Didgeridoo, Crocodile Dundee is a Cinematic Masterpiece Heavyweight Championship”.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They really shouldn't be calling their title a "World Title"

Definitely not. Is Rampage even on in Canada yet?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The AEW Title is a little closer to being a World Title than the ROH Title. But not by much.

[xrodmuc316]

The only time CM Punk's title reign got a million viewers was when he lost it like the little bitch he is. #SUCKITFAN :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ron the dial]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: what up cumdorx i've missed you bud

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only time CM Punk's title reign got a million viewers was when he lost it like the little bitch he is. #SUCKITFAN :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

And what an impression to make! I’m sure all those viewers were just amazed at an awesome wrestling presentation.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh, cumdorx desperately trying to get a W again? Let me just pull out my go to and embarrass the poor bastard.

This dude knows I don't read his posts…

Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time.

These posts were less than 3 hours apart. Lol

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that was me saying I was not going to continue engaging you.

how is this going for you

I failed miserably, clearly

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Oof. Time for Noid to try to bury that one with 12 consecutive posts. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

It's funny, all I have to do is include 3 letter in any post, "F-A-N", and there is guaranteed to be multiple hidden replies from that Punk Lover. Every time, without fail, like clockwork, dude lives in a constant state of scorched. Love to see it :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

“Shame on you for responding to my retarded posts but remember I totally can’t see those posts!” is the new attempt after “Please ignore me so I can derp in peace.” didn’t work. You REALLY want that don’t you?

I will shame you into oblivion.

This dude knows I don't read his posts…

Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time.

These posts were less than 3 hours apart. Lol

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that was me saying I was not going to continue engaging you.

how is this going for you

I failed miserably, clearly

#SCORCHED #BOILING #DUNKEDON

[Mr. Nerfect]

He picked a losing side and now he’s stuck with it. I wonder if he even tries to defend the company any more?

[ron the dial]

oh shit we were supposed to pick sides?!

[Mr. Nerfect]

oh shit we were supposed to pick sides?!

Nah, but he did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he’s the only cunt who hasn’t gotten a paycheck for it from them.

[#1-norm-fan]

I picked the side of anti-dumbfuckness.

Noid picked cumdorx’ side because he’s desperate for an ally and doesn’t want to alienate him. Now he’s forced to pretend cumdorx makes valid points at the expense of what little credibility he has left.

Though in his defense, even he has had to subtlety distance himself from some of cumdorx’ dumb shit in the past couple weeks since he’s become EXTRA desperate with this latest fake ignore. Even Derpfect has his limits.

[xrodmuc316]

There was a time long ago where I would still view posts from blocked people from time to time. Now I enjoy seeing how easily this dude is triggered to replying to everything I say...

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Everyone else can tell the truth, only Fan is in denial. He has been reduced to the gimmick of rage posting over and over again in some misconception that he is not obsessed with defending Phil and AEW. If ever there was a time for these, it is now...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

There was a time long ago where I would still view posts from blocked people from time to time.

What a weird thing to mention out of the blue. It’s almost like you’re desperately trying to defend your past actions that HAPPENED to be quoted in a post that you DEFINITELY could not see. As evidence by you posting a PICTURE to PROVE that you’re DEFINITELY ignoring me this time!

Well…

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TAKE THAT!

[Destor]

Tpww white...gross

[#1-norm-fan]

TPWW white is like 473 on the list of brain dead decisions he’s made.

And it’s a REALLY dumb decision.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tpww white...gross

I’m still on the green. I can’t believe I used default for so many years. Didn’t explore enough.

[xrodmuc316]

Tpww white...gross

It is easier on the eyes!

[Sting Fan]

What a weird thing to mention out of the blue. It’s almost like you’re desperately trying to defend your past actions that HAPPENED to be quoted in a post that you DEFINITELY could not see. As evidence by you posting a PICTURE to PROVE that you’re DEFINITELY ignoring me this time!

Well…

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TAKE THAT!

If you put them both on ignore its actually pretty jarring how much they post. I havent quite got the entire page ignored out with them replying to each other yet but one of the AEW threads went close the other day.

[screech]

If you put them both on ignore its actually pretty jarring how much they post. I havent quite got the entire page ignored out with them replying to each other yet but one of the AEW threads went close the other day.

lol Vito pointed this out the other day. I just scroll right by at this point but yeah it's wild when you really look at it.

[Jordan]

This site should be viewed in its original concept anything else is a bastardization.

[ron the dial]

tpww green 4 life u sick f*cks

[screech]

TPWW green all goddamn day

[Destor]

Blue you cunts

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I’m a blue man myself.

[drave]

yup

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you put them both on ignore its actually pretty jarring how much they post. I havent quite got the entire page ignored out with them replying to each other yet but one of the AEW threads went close the other day.

It’s always funny to me when people try to make fun of people for posting on a message board they are also members of.

[Sting Fan]

Green machine all day!

[Jordan]

Red and yellow! Red for MOX (blood) and yellow for PUNK (pussy)

[xrodmuc316]

Red and yellow! Red for MOX (blood) and yellow for PUNK (pussy)

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[drave]

It’s always funny to me when people try to make fun of people for posting on a message board they are also members of.


Don't think he was making fun of you. He's pointing out that you have some of the highest post counts in AEW threads for something you abhor so much.


I'd imagine the same 3-5 lines being repeated ad-infinitum caused he and others to hide the posts from you and cumdorx.


Also, your statement is the same thing, albeit passive-aggressive. You're calling him out for his right to exercise content he doesn't want to see.




Wrestling will be better one day. :wavesad:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't think he was making fun of you. He's pointing out that you have some of the highest post counts in AEW threads for something you abhor so much.


I'd imagine the same 3-5 lines being repeated ad-infinitum caused he and others to hide the posts from you and cumdorx.


Also, your statement is the same thing, albeit passive-aggressive. You're calling him out for his right to exercise content he doesn't want to see.




Wrestling will be better one day. :wavesad:

No, it was a dig, but digs like that always seem like a self-own to me. And no, I’m not calling him out for his right to exercise content. He’s welcome to exercise content anytime he wants. That’s the exact point.

Lol, my posts are dripping with insight. They just don’t coddle them weak-hearted.

[drave]

Some of them definitely are worded with insight. 90% of the time though, it's just the same drivel as it was the previous day. 100p passive aggressive.


Your Survivor Series booking, for example, not terrible at all. Even AEW sucks, with valid criticisms, are (IMO) well thought out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some of them definitely are worded with insight. 90% of the time though, it's just the same drivel as it was the previous day. 100p passive aggressive.


Your Survivor Series booking, for example, not terrible at all. Even AEW sucks, with valid criticisms, are (IMO) well thought out.

Thank you, my criticisms are valid. :y:

[drave]

Some of them.

[#1-norm-fan]

My favorite totally valid Noid criticisms are when he criticizes made up shit that can easily be proven did not happen. If you just ignore the fact that the premise is an obvious blatant lie, the criticism is often valid.

#GoodFaithConversation

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some of them.

Almost all of them.

[xrodmuc316]

I have 3 criticisms that are all valid

1. CM Phil is the biggest fake tough guy bitch with ZERO credibility
2. 1 million is never going to be more than 2 million
3. Tiny Khan is an insufferable manchild with a creepy hugs fetish

[Mr. Nerfect]

Listening to Cornette last week made me think: how do you think CM Punk would go in a fight situation with someone like Kenny Omega or a Young Buck? Punk was a joke in MMA, but would most of the AEW roster do much better?

And before some mark goes off about Omega having MMA training…so did Punk.

[xrodmuc316]

Listening to Cornette last week made me think: how do you think CM Punk would go in a fight situation with someone like Kenny Omega or a Young Buck? Punk was a joke in MMA, but would most of the AEW roster do much better?

And before some mark goes off about Omega having MMA training…so did Punk.

Omega is an athlete. Omega worked through multiple injuries for months. Phil stubbed his toe and cried. They are not the same.

And I could not care any less about Kenny Omega, but he would destroy Phil.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

My favorite totally valid Noid criticisms are when he criticizes made up shit that can easily be proven did not happen. If you just ignore the fact that the premise is an obvious blatant lie, the criticism is often valid.

#GoodFaithConversation

Like his claim that mjf turned on Cody and then they never touched?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omega is an athlete. Omega worked through multiple injuries for months. Phil stubbed his toe and cried. They are not the same.

And I could not care any less about Kenny Omega, but he would destroy Phil.

I dunno, man. Omega was probably milking his injuries for all they were worth too. I’d love to see the sissy boy slapfight that would ensue.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I dunno, man. Omega was probably milking his injuries for all they were worth too. I’d love to see the sissy boy slapfight that would ensue.

Nah I’d say his injuries are severe because that’s what happens when you wrestle every match to impress uncle Dave. He supports unsafe wrestling by bolstering unsustainable styles (see how he used to report on Benoit)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah I’d say his injuries are severe because that’s what happens when you wrestle every match to impress uncle Dave. He supports unsafe wrestling by bolstering unsustainable styles (see how he used to report on Benoit)

Maybe. I remember hearing an interview Omega did in Japan where he was shrugging off the risks of that style. Someone asked him about Shibata and he was like “Shit happens.” Not verbatim, but it was pretty depressing.

[slik]

1.99 million for SD on Friday
2.1 million for RAW this week


RAW returns to being the A-show for WWE

[xrodmuc316]

1.99 million for SD on Friday
2.1 million for RAW this week


RAW returns to being the A-show for WWE

With a taped episode airing Friday, I would expect a 1.5 for this week. Tony will claim it as a win in the Friday Night Wars somehow, because #LFG!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

2.1 million is nowhere near as impressive as 975k for Dynamite on Wednesdays. Get the fuck out with your spin.

[drave]

I always think of LFG as Looking For Group because I play too many games.

[Bad News Gertner]

Two titans battling it out : Raw and Smackdown. Brings back memories of the massive ratings Raw vs Nitro did.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H is going to create the internal competition Vince always wanted.

[slik]

1.02 million for Dynamite's go home for ALL OUT

[Mr. Nerfect]

Guys, it didn’t just get 1 million viewers…it got 1.02 million viewers!

[Destor]

I don't think its fair to mock them for being sub 1 mil and then mock them for not being over 1 mil enough. Mock them when in 2 weeks theyre sub 1 mil again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think its fair to mock them for being sub 1 mil and then mock them for not being over 1 mil enough. Mock them when in 2 weeks theyre sub 1 mil again.

Nah, there’s plenty of reasons to mock them. 1 million is just an arbitrary line. It’s a psychologically satisfying line, since people like their even chunks, but the difference between an estimated 1 million and an estimated 970k is about 30k.

I like to mock them for being unpopular for wrestling even in the modern era. This is in relation to what WWE does and what is still possible. And I like to laugh at the idea that about 1.02 million people saw THAT show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But yes, I will mock them in two weeks too. :y:

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think its fair to mock them for being sub 1 mil and then mock them for not being over 1 mil enough.

“lol No million”/“Who cares about a million?” is just another one of those issues that shift based on whether it works with the narrative. Same with year-over-year, the sheets being bullshit, etc.

(Sudden inconvenient post burial incoming)

[Mr. Nerfect]

According to the quarter-hours (as much stock as you want to put into them), Omega and The Bucks lost viewers bad. Knocked them down to below 900k. It’s at least significant in the speculates Punk/Omega civil war. Point to Punk. Unless you want to point to Punk’s stuff not gluing people to an entire show. But it’s in no way a win for Omega or The Bucks.

Danielson also seems to lose viewers. Funny that taking one of the most beloved wrestlers of the past decade and making him an afterthought has done that.

[#1-norm-fan]

:lol:

[Verbose Minch]

Based punk drawing the house

[xrodmuc316]

And Mox outdrew them both.

Mox is the house drawer.

And that is not goofy shit!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wasn’t Omega supposed to come back and start telling stories?

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t get this obsession wrestling fans have about the 18-49 demo on cable in 2022. I really don’t. Can anyone explain why this is still what advertisers look at when there are so many other pressing metrics and mediums?

Also, they only place that high on a weak night of television if you take out programming not in its first run. They don’t get better numbers than the Big Bang Theory, which is also more culturally relevant. You’d surely generate more revenue with that than AEW. So why spend money on the original programming when you can just do a better rated block of rerun television that better advertises your streaming service?

[xrodmuc316]

I don’t get this obsession wrestling fans have about the 18-49 demo on cable in 2022. I really don’t. Can anyone explain why this is still what advertisers look at when there are so many other pressing metrics and mediums?

Also, they only place that high on a weak night of television if you take out programming not in its first run. They don’t get better numbers than the Big Bang Theory, which is also more culturally relevant. You’d surely generate more revenue with that than AEW. So why spend money on the original programming when you can just do a better rated block of rerun television that better advertises your streaming service?

They don't actually, they just pretend whatever thing they can spin to make their favorite wrestling company sound good. When they don't get a million in the ratings, it does not matter one bit, they are still number 1! When they get a million viewers, it is a celebration the likes of which you onky ever see when #1BubblingFan has when he thinks Punk might come to this forum and thank him for his loyal support.

Just like Tiny and Meltz were celebrating AEW grossing $100 million this year. Nevermind gross means nothing whatsoever because that is before expenses. Gross mean even less when there is nothing reported about the Net Profit.

They take one thing, act like it matters because they can't admit failure, and convince a bunch of their idiot fans that already love them, that they are killing it.

It is nothing more than a misrepresentation of everything. They are a private company so they can get away with it, but anybody with any business acumen can see right through it. The problem is most of these people are too stupid to realize it.

You have Jericho out there repeating the same old "my boss has more money than your boss" trope. But that is complete bullshit, always has been, but idiots are too stupid to understand anything beyond Forbes' Net Worth list.

The whole AEW narrative is a house of cards. It looks really solid if you only view it from very specific angles, but it is quite a long con (no pun intended) to make a bunch of socially awkward weirdos feel important by pretending the are successful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s it.

[slik]

RAW - 2.05 million

SD - 2.07 million


USA Network in the mud

[xrodmuc316]

RAW - 2.05 million

SD - 2.07 million


USA Network in the mud

Braun drawing the house!

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE still trailing behind AEW I see.

[Sting Fan]

Over a million again for Dynamite I see.

Listened to Jerichos podcast with the Wrestlenomics guy the other day, it was an interesting listen that explained a little more how some of this stuff works. ,Whats relevant and whats not, a little about the impact of streaming etc.

Jerichos wrestling related podcasts are normally solid but this was pretty interesting in general terms.

[XL]

Dude you didn’t need to listen to Jericho and some no-name marks from Wrestlenomics. Noid’s been doing pretty much weekly breakdowns of what advertisers and tv execs look for right here on TPDub.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What were Thurston’s sources? Other than “my best friend works for AEW and I’m on an AEW wrestler’s podcast?” A quick Google search will tell you everything you need to know about modern opinions on the demo.

-Cable is dying.

-Women are important.

-Wrestling is perceived as trashy.

-Advertisers are more aware of ethnicity, sexuality and other demographic factors.

-Economic and cultural factors have affected which demos are most desirable.

-AEW’s average fan is likely to be >34.

What am I wrong about?

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow only 1.035 million. I thought it would have been much higher considering all the buzz.

[Sting Fan]

Dude you didn’t need to listen to Jericho and some no-name marks from Wrestlenomics. Noid’s been doing pretty much weekly breakdowns of what advertisers and tv execs look for right here on TPDub.

If I wanted to get info from an internet dream booker I would follow TK on twitter :shifty:

Seriously though it was interesting just to hear it laid out as someone who really doesnt care to much about ratings or dug too deep into it, explaining how demos work and why they are valued over a total number was interesting for example.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow only 1.035 million. I thought it would have been much higher considering all the buzz.

Holy shit, is that all it was?! And it dropped massively throughout the show again. I wonder if that’s because the show sucks or the 49 yr old audience fell into a cheese coma and leant on the remote forcing an irreversible channel change?

[drave]

What were Thurston’s sources? Other than “my best friend works for AEW and I’m on an AEW wrestler’s podcast?” A quick Google search will tell you everything you need to know about modern opinions on the demo.

-Cable is dying.

-Women are important.

-Wrestling is perceived as trashy.

-Advertisers are more aware of ethnicity, sexuality and other demographic factors.

-Economic and cultural factors have affected which demos are most desirable.

-AEW’s average fan is likely to be >34.

What am I wrong about?


A Google search on opinion will yield whatever opinion you tell it to search. Also, being a nerd, Google's index only accounts for roughly 4% of the internet's traffic, a farcry from any majority.

[drave]

Just saying that Google =/= a reliable source.

[BigCrippyZ]

Dunning-Kruger personified. It takes some serious stupidity to believe that reading Google search results will give you remotely equivalent (let alone superior) knowledge or expertise as people who are and have actually worked for decades in the field you're discussing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A Google search on opinion will yield whatever opinion you tell it to search. Also, being a nerd, Google's index only accounts for roughly 4% of the internet's traffic, a farcry from any majority.

You don’t need to stay on Google, lol. A search engine can be used to find information. It’s not really relevant that 91% of internet traffic is porn.

Just saying that Google =/= a reliable source.

So use Google to find the reliable sources. The point is you don’t need to go deep to work this shit out.

Dunning-Kruger personified. It takes some serious stupidity to believe that reading Google search results will give you remotely equivalent (let alone superior) knowledge or expertise as people who are and have actually worked for decades in the field you're discussing.

Lol, every single legal tidbit you’ve stirred up has been from Google. Because you’re fake. You’re also the moron who called someone a cocksucker because they didn’t immediately condemn NXT. Your opinion on what is reasonable has long been disqualified.

And yep, Chris Jericho = media analyst. Go back to the shadows because AEW sucks and not even you can deny it anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one actually disagreeing with my points either.

[slik]

SD - 2.3 million

[Mr. Nerfect]

SD - 2.3 million

Holy shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was everything cancelled?

[xrodmuc316]

SD - 2.3 million

Smackdown literally Quintupling Rampage, just ask Jerry McDevitt! :yes::yes::yes:

[Mr. Nerfect]

But Rampage still won the war, right?

[weather vane]

RAW rating. Woof.

[xrodmuc316]

Raw only getting 1.7 million against Monday Night Football is a direct shot at Dynamite struggling to even get 1 million against Real Housewives :rofl:

[slik]

RAW rating. Woof.

Yeah, looks like Football season will be tough for raw

1.71 is down from the 2 million of HHH's first month

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah, looks like Football season will be tough for raw

1.71 is down from the 2 million of HHH's first month

Down 300,000 is rough, they lost the entire Rampage audience :lol::lol::lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW tends to have bad weeks when WWE has bad weeks. They’re off the PPV bump and any (if any) interest from the controversy. It was a fair guess that their number would already be down, but it is going to be interesting to see what their number is.

[slik]

1.175 milliion -- most watched Dynamite since September 2021

[#1-norm-fan]

… Wait, what???

[#1-norm-fan]

All trash talk aside, that is a bizarrely good number. I think everyone had it dropping back under a million after last week’s chaos bump.

[Sepholio]

Yeah, it is. I wonder why it had such a big bump? Thought for sure it'd either be the same or a touch lower after the hype died down from last week.

[Sepholio]

Like if you told me that was the number for next week I wouldn't have been shocked. They'll do a good number then too. It'll be interesting to see if it goes back down after that though.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wanna jokingly say “MJF, man…”

But also… MJF, man…?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Could be people banding together to support the company during a hard time?

[#1-norm-fan]

Alright. “All trash talk aside” aside…

AEW tends to have bad weeks when WWE has bad weeks. They’re off the PPV bump and any (if any) interest from the controversy. It was a fair guess that their number would already be down, but it is going to be interesting to see what their number is.

How is Noid gonna spin this into shit?

[xrodmuc316]

1.175 milliion -- most watched Dynamite since September 2021

Sounds like after a year of Phil driving people away, the real fans are coming back now that his 0-2 embarrassing ass is gone!

[Verbose Minch]

Sounds like after a year of Phil driving people away, the real fans are coming back now that his 0-2 embarrassing ass is gone!

0-1-1*

[Sepholio]

I wanna jokingly say “MJF, man…”

But also… MJF, man…?

I don't think he can get the credit here as much as I'd love to give it to him. If he was the driving force then wouldn't you have expected the ratings bump to come last week for his return to Dynamite after winning the chip? ESPECIALLY with the drama to boost last weeks ep too.

[xrodmuc316]

0-1-1*

1. Weed is NOT a performing enhancing drug
2. He got legitimately tickled in the Octagon

He is more 0-2 than any fighter ever.

[#1-norm-fan]

Apparently the quarter hour ratings never even dropped below a million. Barely below 1.1 million.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Surprisingly not under 1 million. 1.175 is almost 1.2 million, which is almost 2.3 million.

[weather vane]

AEW. What a league.

[#1-norm-fan]

How is Noid gonna spin this into shit?

Straw man the shit out of it and ignore your previous post (and then probably bury all the evidence in a shitpost frenzy). A shocking method. I hope everyone bet against the odds.

[Verbose Minch]

1. Weed is NOT a performing enhancing drug
2. He got legitimately tickled in the Octagon

He is more 0-2 than any fighter ever.

No, he's actually 0-1-1. Record books don't lie, fella

[xrodmuc316]

No, he's actually 0-1-1. Record books don't lie, fella

I saw the fight, that record book is lying :lol:

[Destor]

No, he's actually 0-1-1. Record books don't lie, fellathats false. His record officially is 0-1. The 2nd fight was retroactively ruled a no contest.

That doesnt go on the books as a draw its stricken. Dana ruled to over turn the unanimous decision officially on the grounds of unsportsmanlike conduct.

The reasoning was Jackson humiliated punk to such an extreme by choosing not to finish punk on multiple occasions and instead dragging the fight out, with mockery like tickling him, that the fight on paper never occured and barred Mike Jackson from the UFC for life.

Jackson argued that is was a mercy. He claims had he gone in the for the KO punks inability to protect himself would have led to punk taking severe damage possibly CTE. Despite Jacksons kindness Punk was still hospitalizated after the fight.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can understand being mad Punk was a flop in there, but I don’t know how I feel about being mad at a fighter trying to do their best to stand out. There probably wasn’t much you could do with Mike Jackson after this, but I get why he did what he did.

[Destor]

Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.

[xrodmuc316]

thats false. His record officially is 0-1. The 2nd fight was retroactively ruled a no contest.

That doesnt go on the books as a draw its stricken. Dana ruled to over turn the unanimous decision officially on the grounds of unsportsmanlike conduct.

The reasoning was Jackson humiliated punk to such an extreme by choosing not to finish punk on multiple occasions and instead dragging the fight out, with mockery like tickling him, that the fight on paper never occured and barred Mike Jackson from the UFC for life.

Jackson argued that is was a mercy. He claims had he gone in the for the KO punks inability to protect himself would have led to punk taking severe damage possibly CTE. Despite Jacksons kindness Punk was still hospitalizated after the fight.

Exactly, he was beaten so embarrassingly and thoroughly that no amount of Dana White decrees will ever change the fact that Phil took an L.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.

Hmm, I get what you are saying, but I can just understand why Jackson was showboating. There was probably a happy middle-ground and larger picture that Jackson was missing in humiliating Punk.

[xrodmuc316]

Well with Jackson they felt like he disrespected the sport. Punk spent a lot of the fight in the fetal position completely helpless; it just doesnt look profesional at all. Had Jackson finished him the 1st, in one of the dozen or so opportunities he had, he'd at least gotten a 2nd pro fight out of it. Instead he just humiliated both mma and pro wrestling for 3 5 min rounds. I dont agree with the NC but i wouldnt have booked him again either.

I always liked that argument that Mike Jackson disrespected their sport anymore than Dana White by giving an undeserving sideshow like Phil a UFC contract, then tried to position him against the weakest possible opponent he could find AFTER he got wrecked by a guy who came from Dana White's reality show (not the Ultimate Fighter reality show, the lesser known "Lookin' for a Fight" reality show).

That Mike Jackson high on weed so easily toyed with Dana White's disrespect to the sport resulted in Dana White fudging the record book does not save Phil any face whatsoever. He probably contacted Dana after every UFC PPV crying about it until 2 years later Dana hooked his friend up with a favor.

That motherfucking FEDBAD COLTBAD ELITEBAD hater is forever 0-2.

[Destor]

I think his 0-1 record is far more embarrassing than a 0-2 would have been.

[screech]

Wait Punk's opponent got banned from UFC for life after that?

(I do not follow UFC at all.)

[Destor]

Yeah. Lifetime ban.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can see Dana White being mad at himself, CM Punk and Punk’s camp too.

[Destor]

He was embarrassed by it for sure. I think he masked a lot of that with anger. It was humiliating for everyone involved. If he booked jackson again that would just be another cycle of people talking about the punk fight

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Jackson got destroyed (which would probably happen), it doesn’t help matters.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He was embarrassed by it for sure. I think he masked a lot of that with anger. It was humiliating for everyone involved. If he booked jackson again that would just be another cycle of people talking about the punk fight

Dana only had himself to blame. Everybody saw it as a bad idea from the beginning. I get you like to masturbate furiously to yourself over how bad Punk was (thinly veiling that you believe you're much tougher), but it's a matter of an already past-his-physical prime guy with basically zero fight training fighting on a professional stage. Even against a can, no amount of time with Duke Roufus would've prepared him to do anything more than fight mediocrely at a low-level amateur tournament.

[Destor]

Oh im much much tougher. You probably are too

[Destor]

The valley between us is so wide we couldn't see one another in the distance.

[Destor]

Also punk trained in a world renowned camp full time for 4 years. "Basically 0 training."

[Destor]

But to one point youre right, rare as that is. Dana is to blame. They wanted a gate and not integrity and they got it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.

[xrodmuc316]

Dana only had himself to blame. Everybody saw it as a bad idea from the beginning. I get you like to masturbate furiously to yourself over how bad Punk was (thinly veiling that you believe you're much tougher), but it's a matter of an already past-his-physical prime guy with basically zero fight training fighting on a professional stage. Even against a can, no amount of time with Duke Roufus would've prepared him to do anything more than fight mediocrely at a low-level amateur tournament.

I have never met Destor, but I can confidently say Destor is much tougher than Phil.

[Destor]

Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.
I had no idea. Just looked it up and apparently when Dana says never its as credible as a wrestling retirement :lol:


Apparently he won by dq by getting kicked in the balls.

[xrodmuc316]

Wikipedia says Mike Jackson fought in April against a dude named Drew Barry? Was his lifetime ban like the one Lisa got from the Springfield Historical Society?

If Tony Khan gets really desperate he could get Mike in to be the third Buck.

I would love a modern day Dudley Boyz gimmick where clearly unrelated people pretend they are brothers based on their last names.

[Destor]

I have never met Destor, but I can confidently say Destor is much tougher than Phil.
No embellishments: i dont think theyre are many adult men who arent. its easy to see a guy on tv and buy what you're being sold. They deliberately sell you that wrestlers are tough. Its the business model in its simplest form.



Punk is all work. There's no truth to it at all. He's all smoke and mirrors. He's the example of if you sell something well enough people will buy anything. And kudos to him for that. He's a great promo. In an alternate dimension he's probably the best manager of all time.

[xrodmuc316]

No embellishments: i dont think theyre are many adult men who arent. its easy to see a guy on tv and buy what you're being sold. They deliberately sell you that wrestlers are tough. Its the business model in its simplest form.



Punk is all work. There's no truth to it at all. He's all smoke and mirrors. He's the example of if you sell something well enough people will buy anything. And kudos to him for that. He's a great promo. In an alternate dimension he's probably the best manager of all time.

100%, I knew he had no credibility going back to wrestling, but figured MAYBE they would have him be the biggest chicken shit cheating heel ever. Instead they literally book him as the toughest best guy, which is even easier to prove fake than proving Undertaker is actually alive in real life.

[Destor]

You could've booked in really great ways. Pitting him against tougher (kayfabe) guys and having go over chicken shit AND THEN bragging about how tough/skilled he is...thats some heat. After the crowd turns him baby down the road maybe you can move forward organically. Instead we get a tired shtick that cant reasonably be bought. If the nature of the business is the suspension of disbelief i dont know how we're supposed to move forward.

[Destor]

But tbf ive seen people on this forum no less claim the bucks are an all time great team so maybe some people will buy literally anything you sell them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was Dean Barry, by the way. I got confused with Drew Carey, who could probably take them all.

[Sepholio]

Punk as a manager would actually be fire. Never even thought about that before.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Young Bucks fucking suck. Just a reminder if people needed it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk was a great commentator too. His shelf-life in wrestling might not be long, but he’s an worthy investment for those non-physical roles.

[Destor]

I think him in the booth could be heenan-esqu. He certainly gets what the guys need to get over

[Mr. Nerfect]

JR might be getting a little bit past it, but I would have loved to have seen what a JR/Punk team could have done. Ian Roccaboni and Punk could be great too.

[screech]

Loved when Punk was in the booth in like 2011. Would be on board with him doing that

[Mr. Nerfect]

If things smooth over with this current situation, I’d like to see him brought back that way.

[Destor]

Objectively given how prone he is to injury even if youre a massive punk supporter you have to admit booking him at the top of your card is completely irresponsible. He's not going to work hurt. Fair enough; but he is going to get hurt. This is clear.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the role for him are personalized programs underneath. A follow-up to the stuff with Hobbs, team him with Starks, split them off, etc. He doesn’t need another World Title.

[Destor]

Making him a special attraction might be ok...i guess. I dont like the idea of building up guys to feed to him when you cant use that momentum upward but 2 or 3 matches a year he could probably handle for another 5 years or so. Clearly his body is going to fall apart pretty soon. Thats not a knock on him. Everyone implodes at some point. His expiration date is just clearly visible now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well he was only back for, what? 1 and a bit matches in front of people? I don’t think he would want to depend on himself that way anymore.

[Ruien]

Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.

[xrodmuc316]

Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.

That is entirely possible. If somebody tunes in to one show and likes what they see, it certainly can inspire them to check out a show on a different night. It also helps that AEW is on a standard package cable channel. It is far easier to find TBS than Destination America or whatever channel Impact is on nowadays.

[xrodmuc316]

Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.

Plus, people tuning in and NOT seeing Phil is a ratings positive for sure. As long as he is gone AEW shows will be much better, as evident by the immediately rising ratings without that turd :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wonder if Vince's saga has caused a uptick in both WWE and AEW. A good chunk of people started watching WWE. Did that trickle to AEW? Either way, hopefully the uptick continues.

This is possible. It’s just “wrestling” to a lot of people. You’ve just got more eyeballs on wrestling in general.

[slik]

1.59 million for RAW

[Splaya]

1.59 million for RAW

Not surprising at all seeing as how there were two high quality (at least on paper) Monday night football games.

It'll jump back up to 2 next week

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty rough number. Triple H’s product seems more vulnerable to NFL switchover than Vince’s.

[weather vane]

Is WWE dead?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is WWE dead?

Just #2 by a distinct margin to the much preferred AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t follow American football. I’m not sure if this is a special occasion or anything, but I’m getting the vibe there is a lot of “general interest” floating around Triple H’s product, but it hasn’t hardened into fan loyalty. Yet. But he should probably think about how sticky his product is versus just riding this wave of shock debuts/returns, etc.

[drave]

there are people that will shell out $200 / month ONLY to watch US Football and eschew all other viewing habits. it's rabid fanaticism, just as bad, if not worse, than soccer hooliganism.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don’t follow American football. I’m not sure if this is a special occasion or anything, but I’m getting the vibe there is a lot of “general interest” floating around Triple H’s product, but it hasn’t hardened into fan loyalty. Yet. But he should probably think about how sticky his product is versus just riding this wave of shock debuts/returns, etc.

Don’t forget super high level creative genius kidnapping/stalker angles that have always drawn huge.

[Sepholio]

Dale always wanted a stalker but nobody cared about him enough. Now we bear witness to the resulting salt.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What are you talking about? Drave stalks me all the time ranting about how much I love Bret The Shitman Shart.

[Sepholio]

You do love the Shitman.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Just saying. I'm important enough for a stalker.

[#1-norm-fan]

Drave is a shining beacon in these troubling times of TPWW. He can stalk who he wants.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Now I’m just picturing him as Dexter Lumis

[drave]

I could do it. Mohawk instead of the blonde slick over tho.

[drave]

All I gotta do is put on some Bret Shart promos. It will draw Dale in from anywhere.




Downside.... I'll be asleep by the time he arrives.






NEW PLAN!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don’t forget super high level creative genius kidnapping/stalker angles that have always drawn huge.

It’s fucking disgusting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wasn’t Dexter Lumis with a mohawk just Crimson?

[Destor]

Question: is the ratings gap on par with previous week 2 MNF games? Doesnt feel like this is a reflection on the product but tradition. Has wrestling not dropped against the NFL in the last 20 or so years? This is an earnest question

[drave]

Always has.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The drop seems bigger this year though. I don’t know if it is, but a reported 1.59 seems very low.

[Destor]

The question specifically i would have isnt the final number but drop vs drop. If the ytd viewer is lower pre drop then the nfl hit would obviously be lower. But if we say they lost 1mil last year and 1 mil this year then its the same nfl fans coming and going as usual.

[xrodmuc316]

Question: is the ratings gap on par with previous week 2 MNF games? Doesnt feel like this is a reflection on the product but tradition. Has wrestling not dropped against the NFL in the last 20 or so years? This is an earnest question

The only difference is they did it in week 2 this year instead of week 1 like they always did before.

[Destor]

Well the week 1 game was a nail bitter. Typically ratings are about what happened last week and not this week (because how could they not be)

[Fignuts]

Bills vs Titans was set to be a pretty monumental game.

And even when it became clear it wasn't a contest, watching Josh Allen go to work is still more entertaining than Bianca with henchwomen vs Damage Control.

[drave]

Peacock is getting some games too, even on their $5 tier. As more people cut the cord and move to more accessible ways to watch, I expect it to get hit even harder.

[Bad News Gertner]

1.03 for Dynamite.

Ouch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Down but still over 1 million. You’d probably have expected 1.1 mil for a show that was hyped to the max and had a guaranteed World Title change on it. You can probably be happy with this number compared to other AEW numbers in a vacuum, but it doesn’t bode well for the product being hot or going anywhere. We’re probably back down to <1 mil next week.

[xrodmuc316]

I am not sure what is more random, them being up last week or them being down this week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it’s them being up last week. That actually seems to be something of an anomaly. This week they just didn’t hype a show that drew any more interest than that.

[Splaya]

This week had four title matches (although Jericho versus Claudio wasn't really hyped for very long) and an expected MJF promo. Tops in the 18-54 demographic.

The big issue is that they went against the major networks and their season premieres like The Conners and The Goldbergs for ABC and NBC had their season premieres of the Chicago Series.

CBS had Survivor debut and Fox had the season premiere of the Masked Singer.


All things considered, I'd consider the 1.03 to be a huge success actually.

[drave]

This week had four title matches (although Jericho versus Claudio wasn't really hyped for very long) and an expected MJF promo. Tops in the 18-54 demographic.

The big issue is that they went against the major networks and their season premieres like The Conners and The Goldbergs for ABC and NBC had their season premieres of the Chicago Series.

CBS had Survivor debut and Fox had the season premiere of the Masked Singer.


All things considered, I'd consider the 1.03 to be a huge success actually.




No. Even without debuts of shows, they've shown consistently that this is where they will float.


Next week, without "debuts" their number will either stay flat or go down. I'm not a ratings nerd or anything like that, just looking at historical data.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW WAS ON TV WITH OTHER SHOWS THIS WEEK, OTHERWISE MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE WATCHED! #LFG!!!!!!!!!!!

[Destor]

Premieres are a big night for TV. Its a leg up these shows have over year round wrestling.

[weather vane]

Over a schmilly again. That’s very good. RIP WWE.

[Destor]

I think a year ago i said these shows would meet around 1.5


I think 1.25 might be more accurate now

[Splaya]

Under no circumstances do I think that it's a GREAT thing for AEW that it was 1.02. But I am surprised it was not worse.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was a night for premiers, but that’s down to AEW’s scheduling too. Plus, and this goes with the news too — these things don’t necessarily need to cut into AEW’s audience. People will watch premiers and news that have no interest in wrestling. Or they may not necessarily watch live. Wrestling is supposed to have the edge on cable for being live entertainment.

It was a big night for TV, but there isn’t necessarily a massive sample of people who would have watched AEW Dynamite Grand Slam if it weren’t for The Goldbergs.

[slik]

2.5 million for SD, it's highest rating since 2020.

[Sepholio]

Just rumors about Bray being there and the ratings are through the roof.

[xrodmuc316]

2.5 million for SD, it's highest rating since 2020.

But, Tiny said Rampage was going to be the best wrestling show Friday night :'(:'(:'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

522k for Grand Slam. Another win for AEW in the Friday Night Wars.

[Sepholio]

You know we give him a lot of grief but I imagine it is pretty disheartening to put on the best wrestling show ever every 3-4 days and still get trounced in the ratings every time. Ungrateful fans!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m curious to see how these television deal negotiations go for AEW. I’ve long thought that WWE could very realistically make a play for those slots themselves. Whether with something like NXT Global on Wednesday nights and Level Up on Fridays or with a relaunched WCW. Triple H having more power now makes that ever slightly more likely.

The downside to WWE making a play is how that affects USA/FOX relations. They’re paying a lot of money for what they’re getting and may not want WWE going out and diverting resources to yet another network. But the argument could be made by WWE that expansion helps them all and that the wrestling programming is already there, so they might as well take it over and make it as sponsor-friendly as possible.

WWE has the freedom to low-ball AEW on the price. FOX and USA might not like that, but could also receive auxiliary programming as part of their deals (an FS1 series, etc.), and if it’s something like NXT that has got a viewership of around 660k or whatever, that penetration might not be as threatening to FOX and USA if WWE signs a package deal with Warner Bros Discovery.

Or is WWE very happy with AEW just sucking over there and making them look good by comparison?

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know we give him a lot of grief but I imagine it is pretty disheartening to put on the best wrestling show ever every 3-4 days and still get trounced in the ratings every time. Ungrateful fans!

Insert Skinner meme about the fans being wrong.

What is it that The Elite’s stans used to say about Jim Cornette? “Out of touch?” I don’t know how you have ratings and ticket sales this tepid and claim to have a finger on the pulse.

AEW has NEVER been that not. 1.4 million for wrestling is not a great number, and I will not back down from that. You should be able to throw out a net and snag that many people even tangentially interested in this shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If all the talent that apparently want out of AEW get out, WWE finds themselves in a similar situation to AEW. They already have enough talent. Is it worth it signing Buddy Murphy and Andrade back to deals to…what? Job to Seth Rollins or Gunther?

I wonder if this affects NXT, Level Up and all that. The current USA Network show could use a bit of help in terms of star presence and story-driven stuff. Doing a program where Black and Murphy return to NXT and begin a rivalry could be something. Throw in Andrade and Zelina. I guess you could have them all feud with each other, but that being Triple H’s response to The House of Black could be pretty funny. Black, Andrade, Buddy Murphy, R-Truth, Zelina, Carmella & Corey Graves as the top faction in NXT. Book it.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m curious to see how these television deal negotiations go for AEW. I’ve long thought that WWE could very realistically make a play for those slots themselves. Whether with something like NXT Global on Wednesday nights and Level Up on Fridays or with a relaunched WCW. Triple H having more power now makes that ever slightly more likely.

The downside to WWE making a play is how that affects USA/FOX relations. They’re paying a lot of money for what they’re getting and may not want WWE going out and diverting resources to yet another network. But the argument could be made by WWE that expansion helps them all and that the wrestling programming is already there, so they might as well take it over and make it as sponsor-friendly as possible.

WWE has the freedom to low-ball AEW on the price. FOX and USA might not like that, but could also receive auxiliary programming as part of their deals (an FS1 series, etc.), and if it’s something like NXT that has got a viewership of around 660k or whatever, that penetration might not be as threatening to FOX and USA if WWE signs a package deal with Warner Bros Discovery.

Or is WWE very happy with AEW just sucking over there and making them look good by comparison?

No matter how hard Tiny and the Dubbalos try to spin WWE being scared of them, I think WWE could give 2 shits about AEW. Triple H may not be as cavalier in not being worried in the slightest like Vince was, in that Vince even said he was going to give AEW more talent by firing more "game changers", but aside from that, AEW is a dud.

Tiny is such a good Booker that even with a bloated roster, he books TWO Title matches on his show with zero build, where NEITHER challenger is even a part of his AEW roster. I mean, you can't make this shit up lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No matter how hard Tiny and the Dubbalos try to spin WWE being scared of them, I think WWE could give 2 shits about AEW. Triple H may not be as cavalier in not being worried in the slightest like Vince was, in that Vince even said he was going to give AEW more talent by firing more "game changers", but aside from that, AEW is a dud.

Tiny is such a good Booker that even with a bloated roster, he books TWO Title matches on his show with zero build, where NEITHER challenger is even a part of his AEW roster. I mean, you can't make this shit up lol.

Yeah, you’re not wrong. WWE went from offering Mike Bennett and Maria Kanellis $500k apiece to giving Matt Riddle $400k when it became apparent AEW was a big fat nothing. When it was an unknown quantity, there was a possible threat of a billionaire-funded promotion that could give talent a place to work that wasn’t WWE. Then they opened with a Battle Royal featuring Glacier for a World Title shot.

The more talent that AEW has and can’t book, the more miserable people there are and the more WWE benefits off their mess. It may not be WWE’s prerogative to lighten their burden.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.674 mil for Raw.

[drave]

I don't care how much I like wrestling, I will never watch Rampage because that's a fucked time slot and I either have shit to do or forget about it entirely.

[slik]

1.59 million for RAW

1.67 million for RAW this week

[Mr. Nerfect]

990k for Dynamite. At least not many people saw that trainwreck of a show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, just your semi-regular reminder that even if the news draws more people, it doesn’t necessarily need to cut into other programming. People can watch the news before or after wrestling, check their phones for updates or look outside.

[xrodmuc316]

990k for Dynamite. At least not many people saw that trainwreck of a show.

Naw, if there wasn't a hurricane Dynamite would have won the Monday Night Wars!

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Just a reminder that 1 million people is a terrible number for wrestling. AEW underachieves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Their upcoming show looks horrible too, from the perspective of being able to attract fans on its front anyway.

* Billy Gunn is the biggest draw for the show, but even so they are overtagging the scissoring thing like it’s the Fandango dance. Silly Attitude era stuff, but it does feature guys who are over.

* Darby Allin vs. Jay Lethal is a Rampage match. No one thinks Lethal has a chance, and if he does win to book heel vs. heel against Jericho, it will feel wrong. No one cares about Jay Lethal in AEW.

* Wheeler Yuta has been the one guy who can drag MJF segments into the mud. This is another Rampage match — an exhibition for MJF without any real doubt as to what the outcome should be.

* Luchasaurus has a squash. Yes, Christian will talk — I guess that joins Billy Gunn as an Attitude era guy saving this. But Luchasaurus squash also reeks of Rampage.

* Chris Jericho & Sammy Guevara vs. Bryan Danielson & Daniel Garcia is going to take two former WWE main eventers who have largely had their appeal destroyed and bog them down in ROH shit. AEW has done a horrible job with Danielson. No one cares about Garcia and no one cares about Guevara anymore.

Does anyone feel the need to watch this show?

[Sepholio]

nope, sure don't

[Mr. Nerfect]

What will be the excuse next week?

[Mr. Nerfect]

There should actually be some good wrestling on the show, but the booking around it is atrocious.