Ratings Thread

[GD]

Keep it up and you'll end up on the ignore list bud.

[weather vane]

HOOK

[TNARICK1]

Rampage

showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-friday-12-10-2021-top-150-cable-originals-network-finals.html

Did 503,000 viewers and a 0.18 demo, coming in at #13 for the night.

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Horrible ratings for Rampage once again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Trash show gets trash ratings. They got over 1 million just a few months ago. Imagine the laughing stock WWE would be if this happened to one of their shows at this rate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is about to get to over 1 million viewers again. The hockey has been postponed, which means AEW will get those West Coast viewers back!

[slik]

1.55 million for RAW

[Mr. Nerfect]

When AEW goes to TBS it has to do better than The Big Bang Theory, right? On 1 July 2020, BBT got an average of 1.68 million viewers on Wednesday night at 8-10.30pm. They also got an average of 0.43 in the key demo. The episodes got #1, #3, #4, #5 and #7 in the demo.

So what are we thinking about Dynamite when it goes? 2 million and a 0.6? It’s almost definitely got to beat Raw, because BBT currently is, and there’s no way Warner would replace that programming with something that is going to do worse.

[#1-norm-fan]

1 July 2020 lol

[#1-norm-fan]

If only the people at WarnerMedia had a genius like Noid at the helm they could have avoided this mistake.

[Jordan]

When AEW goes to TBS it has to do better than The Big Bang Theory, right? On 1 July 2020, BBT got an average of 1.68 million viewers on Wednesday night at 8-10.30pm. They also got an average of 0.43 in the key demo. The episodes got #1, #3, #4, #5 and #7 in the demo.

So what are we thinking about Dynamite when it goes? 2 million and a 0.6? It’s almost definitely got to beat Raw, because BBT currently is, and there’s no way Warner would replace that programming with something that is going to do worse.

Well... NHL has replaced AEW which draw much lower ratings as far as I know. It's Warner Media practice to shut down their biggest draws, they did it with WCW, AEW, NHL and now BBT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well... NHL has replaced AEW which draw much lower ratings as far as I know. It's Warner Media practice to shut down their biggest draws, they did it with WCW, AEW, NHL and now BBT.

To be fair, NHL probably reaches a lot more people over the course of a season and generates more advertising revenue, but I think you’re right. WarnerMedia just hates money. :lol:

Still, as a massive AEW fan, it gives you pause. Could AEW’s quality and success be what ultimately destroys it?

[XL]

Noid, why did you pick that date for comparison?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, why did you pick that date for comparison?

It was the most readily available one. A Google search for “Big Bang Theory tbs ratings” turns it up. If it’s an outlier, sorry for sharing data from that, but I can’t think of a reason why it would be.

Besides, the point is to prop up AEW anyway. Surely when they move they are going to get bigger ratings than reruns of a comedy show.

[slik]

591k for nxt, average viewer age 64

[xrodmuc316]

591k for nxt, average viewer age 64

Good thing Vince blew it up to attract younger viewers :rofl:

[Ruien]

Wonder how Big Bang Theory does head to head against Young Sheldon.

[Jordan]

To be fair, NHL probably reaches a lot more people over the course of a season and generates more advertising revenue, but I think you’re right. WarnerMedia just hates money. :lol:

Still, as a massive AEW fan, it gives you pause. Could AEW’s quality and success be what ultimately destroys it?

I don't think AEW is destined for destruction just yet. Yeah I could see that happening but it's not fortold.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It’s amazing that noid is trying to weave some narrative that doesn’t exist. Warner game AEW an extra hour on Fridays, a raise to move stations, and agreed to have give the promotion multiple TV specials. But yes let’s take pause and ponder if AEW is destroying itself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think AEW is destined for destruction just yet. Yeah I could see that happening but it's not fortold.

I’m just worried because Warner cancels massive successes. Maybe the last thing we want is for AEW to grow? If it does, it could end up like WCW or The Big Bang Theory. :-\

Oh shit. What if AEW gets so successful they decide to put it on Mondays? Surely AEW would stomp Raw out in the ratings?

[slik]

Dynamite back over a million

1.02 million

[TNARICK1]

Vince Russo's WCW 2000 was drawing over 3 million viewers and that was with short 3 month stints.

I predict AEW never hits a million again (They move to TBS this week right?)

Most of AEW's viewers are just people who fall asleep at the tv.

The downfall begins now.

[xrodmuc316]

Dynamite back over a million

1.02 million

LOL and they are celebrating like the won the damn Super Bowl.

https://i.imgflip.com/5yxciz.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

The number of anti-AEW overreactions have definitely surpassed the very AEW overreactions they rail against tenfold at this point.

[Jordan]

Pop the bottles boys, AEW IS BACK ON TOP. SUCK IT NOID AND VINCE AND GEDO

[xrodmuc316]

Pop the bottles boys, AEW IS BACK ON TOP. SUCK IT NOID AND VINCE AND GEDO

And Gedo :rofl: love it

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raw is going down, bitches!!! Over 1 million?!? Read that again: 1 million viewers for Dynamite! Read it and weep, Vince. Change is coming.

[#1-norm-fan]

“Over-the-top gimmick” is Noid’s go-to when he gets EXTRA nervous.

First it’s creating his own arguments. Then it’s awkward personality mirroring. Then it’s this. You can read him like a book. Lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL and they are celebrating like the won the damn Super Bowl.

https://i.imgflip.com/5yxciz.jpg

Look, okay — this is pretty funny — but I think we should focus on the positives of the situation. No other promotion since TNA Wrestling has gotten over 1 million viewers. Think about what an achievement that is.

Vince has got to be shitting himself. This is without the West Coast and they haven’t even gone to TBS yet. That’s when you can expect things to REALLY click into gear.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wait, I think it was with the West Coast. But still! 1 million people watching wrestling that isn’t produced by that rotten Vince McMahon. He’s so stupid, lol.

[TNARICK1]

That was WITH the West Coast?

Ya AEW is fucked once they hit TBS.

They have 90% of the IWC's Indy Darlings/Favs of the last decade and wonder why they can't appeal and grow to a larger audience. They are booking towards a niche audience who enjoy Indy wrestling. They are going to run out of fresh match ups where even that niche audience is going to get bored and move onto the next Indy Fad. There was ROH, Chikara, Lucha Underground. They all moved on just like they will from AEW.

Both AEW or WWE will continue to decline in the next 5 years. They are more likely to shut down completely.

[Jordan]

Damn Rick, do you think wrestling is... dying?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m curious where it was reported that AEW is concerned about not growing their audience. *Warner doesn’t seem to be concerned.

[drave]

Weather Vane?

[TNARICK1]

Tony Khan is literally banging his head against a wall right now wondering why CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are not growing his ratings.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan is literally banging his head against a wall right now wondering why CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are not growing his ratings.

Tony Khan doesn't really care about the ratings, he is just happy his dad is paying people to tell him he is cool and a good booker.

[TNARICK1]

I wish I could get 5 minutes with Tony Khan inside the octagon. I would beat the shit out of his nerd ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE has the resources to stay around forever. I worry about a grassroots production like AEW though. Mr. Tony Khan has built something truly amazing based off the back of being a true wrestling fan/academic. It wouldn’t be just if it was whisked away by WarnerMedia because they don’t “get” it.

[slik]

Christmas Eve SD - 1.97 million

Christmas Day Rampage - 589k

[TNARICK1]

Next week Rampage will hit record low. They were lucky everyone was off work for Christmas this week.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Don’t trip over yourself backpedaling, Rick

[TNARICK1]

We will see who has the last laugh (me)

When AEW ratings tank

[xrodmuc316]

We will see who has the last laugh (me)

When AEW ratings tank

I'm far more interested in how they will spin the ratings than the actual ratings themselves.

Not sure how they will top bragging about the 25-54 Canadian demo :rofl:

[TNARICK1]

I'm far more interested in how they will spin the ratings than the actual ratings themselves.

Not sure how they will top bragging about the 25-54 Canadian demo :rofl:

Haha ya that's true. This week they are blaming Rampage's shit ratings on a Colts vs. Cardinals game lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Awesome number for Rampage! That’s over 50% of what their peak was.

[TNARICK1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHvvdpGXwAUypoF?format=jpg&name=large

Looks like Hook is failing

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Rampage slot is death, but his fandom is ironic (even though he has talent). If they don’t go with Malakai Black, I do see value in Hook beating Cody for the TNT Title though. Especially since he started out as a Cody protege, didn’t he?

Dante Martin can beat Starks for the FTW Title at Battle of the Belts (an extended version filmed for YouTube or something). I don’t know why they aren’t doing anything with Starks. Hook can take it off Martin and then challenge Cody, title for title. Starks turns heel on Hook down the line.

[TNARICK1]

What's the cheapest way to watch AEW? I googled saying YouTube plus and Hulu premium. Is that correct? How far behind are the broadcasts?

I want to force myself through the boring programming so I can critique it better. Haven't seen a episode since Moxley was champion and God damn was it horrible then.

[drave]

Without pirating/streaming - Sling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There has to be a way to get AEW to pay you to watch.

[slik]

1.59 million for RAW

[#1-norm-fan]

Remember when AEW debuted and when the Raw ratings would be announced we’d get an “lol ONLY 2.5 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

Then a year later it was “lol ONLY 2 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

Well we’re just about ready for “lol ONLY 1.5 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Can’t wait till “it only took WWE 84 weeks to beat WCW” when AEW inevitably catches up to WWE by simply doing nothing and WWE continuing to follow its pattern of decline.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, another win for the terrible 3-hour show, even when you factor in that third hour (a slot it dominates) to try and drag its average down. I wonder how much Vince sold the condensed editions for?

I bet USA is shitting bricks. That third hour is almost triple what Rampage gets. Lol, imagine if Dynamite had a third hour on Wednesdays every week to fill. What do you think that would do to 800k people who watch?

[#1-norm-fan]

LOL Gotta switch to comparing it to the late Friday night B-show now.

Next year when THAT gets too close for comfort it’ll switch to “Raw just KILLING AEW Dark!”

[TNARICK1]

There has to be a way to get AEW to pay you to watch.

Lol Vince Russo actually gets paid by two sponsors to watch RAW. That's the only current product he will watch simply because he gets paid to do it.

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WWE sucks balls too. I would watch AEW over WWE. They both suck balls. I wouldn't be surprised if AEW does catch up to WWE but not by AEW growing only because WWE is declining too. They have no storylines. They are just simply wrestling shows. Boring ass wrestling shows.

WWE rode the wave of superstars that Vince Russo created as long as they could. Now they have all finally got old and have mostly retired. I called it a long ass time ago. Now I get to smile and know I was right the entire time.

[TNARICK1]

Sling Tv is $35 a month. No way is AEW worth that. Especially with how Biden has crashed the economy.

I'll stick to my weekly WCW 2000 for now.

[drave]

It isn't hard to pirate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol Vince Russo actually gets paid by two sponsors to watch RAW. That's the only current product he will watch simply because he gets paid to do it.

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WWE sucks balls too. I would watch AEW over WWE. They both suck balls. I wouldn't be surprised if AEW does catch up to WWE but not by AEW growing only because WWE is declining too. They have no storylines. They are just simply wrestling shows. Boring ass wrestling shows.

WWE rode the wave of superstars that Vince Russo created as long as they could. Now they have all finally got old and have mostly retired. I called it a long ass time ago. Now I get to smile and know I was right the entire time.

It’s all trash. SmackDown is probably the best, which is why it holds up in the ratings. A lot of people do speculate that the WWE is going to decline to AEW numbers (and call that a win lol), but AEW is declining too. By the time WWE gets to 1 million viewers, where will AEW be?

[TNARICK1]

The difference is their audience. AEW has the die hard meltzer sheep. They eat sleep and breathe wrestling. Most likely live in their mom's basement. They have 20 years worth of brainwashed Meltzer sheep. These are the same people that followed ROH and other Indy wrestling and will chant cringe things.

WWE's audience is more of just mentally challenged people. I've met some of these people personally. They are usually really cool people. They are just a little slow in the head.

[slik]

I think if SD was on say, USA Network, on Friday Nights it would have less viewers than RAW tbh. I think being on FOX helps a LOT with them regularly cracking 2 million.

I think that's also why they loaded up all the men's main-event talent to RAW, WWE realized SD will get 1.9 - 2.3 million no matter what, so they left Roman/Drew/Brock and sent everyone else to RAW bc RAW needs all the help it can get.

[slik]

975k for Dynamite

.50 for Males 18-49

[TNARICK1]

Ouch. Couldn't even hit 1 million on their final TNT show.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Rick describing aew fans basically a copy and paste of impact fans

[Damian Rey 2.0]

And wrestling fans in general. What’s left are the diehards and they all fall into similar buckets.

[xrodmuc316]

Rick describing aew fans basically a copy and paste of impact fans

Ive never heard a single Impact fan bragging about how good and cool demos are :rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow. 975,000 fans.

R.I.P

[xrodmuc316]

I think if SD was on say, USA Network, on Friday Nights it would have less viewers than RAW tbh. I think being on FOX helps a LOT with them regularly cracking 2 million.

I think that's also why they loaded up all the men's main-event talent to RAW, WWE realized SD will get 1.9 - 2.3 million no matter what, so they left Roman/Drew/Brock and sent everyone else to RAW bc RAW needs all the help it can get.

That is typical WWE short term bullshit. Maybe had they kept Wyatt and Strowman they would not be so strapped for main eventers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at Dynamite rating.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Being on network television is clearly a big boon. The difference between it and cable is massive, as has been demonstrated by SmackDown moving to Fox Sports 1, as tiny as that station might be. Still, I don’t think you can take away from SmackDown’s consistency on there, even if network is a different beast.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Raw when the USA deal comes up. Do they try and move it to FOX or NBC? Or do they accept giant money to stay on USA and being the gem in its crown? Or is there some sort of streaming move where ratings become even more irrelevant? Or is there even some kind of split? It’s a way different game than the dirt sheets make out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE is not above making a deal for way more money to appear on something niche as well. TNN in 2000 and a lot of their European deals highlight that. If a cable network or streaming service steps up to steal, that’s a real possibility.

[TNARICK1]

And wrestling fans in general. What’s left are the diehards and they all fall into similar buckets.

Which would have never happened if any company would have gave Russo 100% control.

Instead the business pushed for a work rate promotions and this is the result. The industry died. AEW will never grow booking to these same fans that killed the business.

WWE, TNA, AEW all made the same mistakes.

I win and you lose.

You guys should have called me a prophet lol.

[ron the dial]

THE LEGEND,,,,THE ICON,,,

[Triple A]

TV viewership dropping like 10-15% each year, which makes WWE's drops seem not as bad relatively... and AEW growing despite TV viewership going down overall each year

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH9uTduXMAEVyR1?format=png&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1477020517005762564

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, ALL (most) TV IS DOWN.<br><br>Perhaps an impression of television generally, the daily top 50 non-news cable originals were down 13% in P2+ and 16% in P18-49.<br><br>WWE and AEW weekly programs all outperformed those negative deltas. <a href="https://t.co/s4da9hns6U">pic.twitter.com/s4da9hns6U</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1477020447887794186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

TV viewership dropping like 10-15% each year, which makes WWE's drops seem not as bad relatively... and AEW growing despite TV viewership going down overall each year

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH9uTduXMAEVyR1?format=png&name=900x900

https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1477020517005762564

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, ALL (most) TV IS DOWN.<br><br>Perhaps an impression of television generally, the daily top 50 non-news cable originals were down 13% in P2+ and 16% in P18-49.<br><br>WWE and AEW weekly programs all outperformed those negative deltas. <a href="https://t.co/s4da9hns6U">pic.twitter.com/s4da9hns6U</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1477020447887794186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AEW grew over last year without having to go head to head with NXT. They did not actually grow viewership because they are still down from 2 years ago when they started and were head to head with NXT.

There was roughly 1.8 Million people that watched wrestling on Wednesdays in 2019. That 8% growth from 2020 compared to 2021 is the small amount of people who now watch AEW on Wednesday instead of NXT.

[Jordan]

Lol at Dynamite rating.

It's very good actually. The signs are pointing to AEW dynamite and the AEW and Tony Khan brand are testing high in focus groups.

[xrodmuc316]

What happens if a Smackdown clip show on FS1 does better rating than a special edition Rampage? Tony Khan might up and fire a few non-whites right on the spot.

[TNARICK1]

Tony Khan needs put behind bars.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW grew over last year without having to go head to head with NXT. They did not actually grow viewership because they are still down from 2 years ago when they started and were head to head with NXT.

There was roughly 1.8 Million people that watched wrestling on Wednesdays in 2019. That 8% growth from 2020 compared to 2021 is the small amount of people who now watch AEW on Wednesday instead of NXT.

It’s amazing how people try to pass off AEW no longer having competition within its genre as growth. Interest in wrestling and interest in AEW is declining. The TBS move is likely to be tougher on them than apologists make out (some try to present it as a promotion). They are taking over a slot from a show that is more popular than them. It’s not going to be pretty.

[Jordan]

It is a promotion because TNT has to justify paying so much for NHL so they bumped up to the bigger station with a storied history of pro wrestling. TBS is a huge move for AEW because TBS viewers are younger.

[xrodmuc316]

It is a promotion because TNT has to justify paying so much for NHL so they bumped up to the bigger station with a storied history of pro wrestling. TBS is a huge move for AEW because TBS viewers are younger.

Putting a live show on a syndicated comedy network, what could go wrong? :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only upside to the TBS move is if it’s a macro strategy to drive people to HBO Max. It’s not going to be as popular as BBT in that time slot — especially with women. So it’s kind of a noose around AEW’s neck for any other reason.

My prediction is that AEW eventually gets pushed to a later slot when advertisers and audiences want their sitcom back.

[xrodmuc316]

The only upside to the TBS move is if it’s a macro strategy to drive people to HBO Max. It’s not going to be as popular as BBT in that time slot — especially with women. So it’s kind of a noose around AEW’s neck for any other reason.

My prediction is that AEW eventually gets pushed to a later slot when advertisers and audiences want their sitcom back.

They could always get promoted to the Turner Classic Movies channel.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They could always get promoted to the Turner Classic Movies channel.

TruTV for the ultimate push.

[Jordan]

I guess you guys haven't read about the additional terms on the TBS deal which tripled the income over the length of the original deal with TNT.

AEW on TBS is 3x more profitable than on TNT WHICH IS EHY TONY HAS SIGNED 3X MORE WRESTLERS

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re amazing, Jordan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I also overlooked that they are in several million more homes. That’s several million more viewers for Dynamite, baby!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Getting excited for this week’s Dynamite rating. The numbers are more exciting than the prospect of the show.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When assessing what the top 1,000 rated cable shows of 2021 were, the dominance of three genres of content is striking. Sports, cable news and reality shows account for 91% of the top 1,000 when looking at the data among 18-49s <a href="https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA">https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z7bDlhEQOO">pic.twitter.com/Z7bDlhEQOO</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1478075866571685890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When assessing what the top 1,000 rated cable shows of 2021 were, the dominance of three genres of content is striking. Sports, cable news and reality shows account for 91% of the top 1,000 when looking at the data among 18-49s <a href="https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA">https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z7bDlhEQOO">pic.twitter.com/Z7bDlhEQOO</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1478075866571685890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is this original programming or does it include reruns?

[slik]

Does not include reruns to my knowledge

[Mr. Nerfect]

TK: “Hey Variety! I see you like to talk about numbers, huh? Well how’s that Variety YouTube channel against ours!?”

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does not include reruns to my knowledge

When that stuff isn’t included, I think it does omit a large slice of what people’s tastes are and how they like to spend their time.

It’s important to know what sort of original programming is working, but it just leaves out the context of how effective original programming is at all.

[slik]

Why would TK be upset with Variety...odd post.

It's a positive WWE and AEW have stuff in the top 1000.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would TK be upset with Variety...odd post.

It's a positive WWE and AEW have stuff in the top 1000.

TK doesn’t like the truth being told about his company. Citation: The Fox News article.

[xrodmuc316]

Why would TK be upset with Variety...odd post.

It's a positive WWE and AEW have stuff in the top 1000.

Because pretty much anything can trigger that creepy weirdo.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because pretty much anything can trigger that creepy weirdo.

I guarantee he doesn’t like Raw and NXT accounting for over four times what AEW is worth.

[Triple A]

Is this original programming or does it include reruns?

When that stuff isn’t included, I think it does omit a large slice of what people’s tastes are and how they like to spend their time.

It’s important to know what sort of original programming is working, but it just leaves out the context of how effective original programming is at all.

It just says "Top 1,000 Cable Shows" with no caveats that I could find from skimming the article, so presumably it's all cable shows including reruns. No reason to assume stuff is omitted since they didn't say it was (from what I could see, unless I missed something)

[Ruien]

I think if SD was on say, USA Network, on Friday Nights it would have less viewers than RAW tbh. I think being on FOX helps a LOT with them regularly cracking 2 million.

I think that's also why they loaded up all the men's main-event talent to RAW, WWE realized SD will get 1.9 - 2.3 million no matter what, so they left Roman/Drew/Brock and sent everyone else to RAW bc RAW needs all the help it can get.

SD is also 2 hours. You need those extra big hitters for a three hour show. Roman or Brock can take 30 to 45 minutes out of the 90ish (after commercials). Give the females their 15/20 minutes. Fill in the rest with Drew, New Day, and whatever else mid card/tag teams are around and its a good.

If RAW went back to 2 hours the product would improve so much.

[xrodmuc316]

SD is also 2 hours. You need those extra big hitters for a three hour show. Roman or Brock can take 30 to 45 minutes out of the 90ish (after commercials). Give the females their 15/20 minutes. Fill in the rest with Drew, New Day, and whatever else mid card/tag teams are around and its a good.

If RAW went back to 2 hours the product would improve so much.

I agree completely, and I dont even think it is the quality, because even when they hold off on the biggest stuff until the 3rd hour, that 3rd hour is still the lowest rated. I dont know if people are just tuning out to go to sleep, or if 2 hours is enough.

Id be interested to see how they would do with a 3 hour show from 7-10 instead of 8-11. Would he 3rd hour still drop off, or would they keep the ratings up until 10:00pm like they do now.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On New Years Eve, AEW Rampage (TNT) was watched by 453,000 viewers and did a 0.19 P18-49 rating. Ranked #21 on Showbuzz's list.<br><br>Smackdown's &quot;best of&quot; episode preempted to FS1 due to New Years Eve programming on Fox, was watched by 378,000 and did a 0.08 P18-49 rating, #58.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478385412498497539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

A 3hr show is just not doable every week. That third hour is always going to suck and when you use that to skewer the WWE Raw rating, it doesn’t really reflect how each hour does in its respective slot. USA seems fine with the third hour being what it is. I don’t think WWE are concerned by a show-wide average.

[TNARICK1]

Rampage bleeding viewers on a day where 90% of the workforce was at home.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Definitely a terrible number for Rampage. I couldn’t even be bothered laughing at them anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And you’re not wrong about people actually being at home. TV viewership was up dramatically for a Friday. People just chose to watch college football and a dancing baby or whatever.

[xrodmuc316]

People just chose to watch college football and a dancing baby or whatever.

Wait, Tony Khan made an actual appearance on Rampage?? :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, I meant an animated dancing baby or whatever it is yanks watch on TV at New Year’s. But your joke about people watching college football OVER a dancing baby works too.

[xrodmuc316]

Oh, I meant an animated dancing baby or whatever it is yanks watch on TV at New Year’s. But your joke about people watching college football OVER a dancing baby works too.

Lol, nope I was saying Tony Khan IS the dancing baby, because all he does is cry and stamp his foot :rofl:

[XL]

(It’s not as funny when you have to explain it)

[xrodmuc316]

(It’s not as funny when you have to explain it)

It is not AS funny, but it is still pretty funny :rofl:

[slik]

The Brock effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Raw, Monday on USA Network:<br>1,716,000 total viewers<br>P18-49 rating: 0.45 (592,000)<br><br>Highest total viewership since October 4.<br>�� <a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/31p7EfnpqA">pic.twitter.com/31p7EfnpqA</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478750073668440066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

(It’s not as funny when you have to explain it)

He didn’t have to explain it. Hence my comment about people watching college football OVER dancing babies (AEW).

The Brock effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Raw, Monday on USA Network:<br>1,716,000 total viewers<br>P18-49 rating: 0.45 (592,000)<br><br>Highest total viewership since October 4.<br>�� <a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/31p7EfnpqA">pic.twitter.com/31p7EfnpqA</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478750073668440066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And people say he doesn’t draw.

Wait until Meltzer puts out a thing saying that Brock has never been the draw Kenny Omega is.

[Jordan]

He didn’t have to explain it. Hence my comment about people watching college football OVER dancing babies (AEW).



And people say he doesn’t draw.

Wait until Meltzer puts out a thing saying that Brock has never been the draw Kenny Omega is.. In Japan Kenny is a much bigger draw than Brock was. Brock wasn't even putting on good matches like Kenny.

Kenny definitely has more classic wrestling matches than Brock even though they both do a similar suplex over and over in their matches.

Kenny is probably a bigger star than Brock in the eyes of most fans because Kenny wrestles every week and so statistics say that Kenny is the bigger draw and ratings star because he appears more often than WWE's Brock Lesnar.

Plus Kenny has merch in many different areas from shirts, toys and is EVP of AEW and leads AEW games. Kenny reach is further than Brock because Brock just shows up here and there and then goes back to the farm.

Kenny's matches also are much better.

[Jordan]

Also the first Monday of the year is always a huge ratings night for cable tv so that explains why WWE has a big rating from Monday.

[xrodmuc316]

The Brock effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Raw, Monday on USA Network:<br>1,716,000 total viewers<br>P18-49 rating: 0.45 (592,000)<br><br>Highest total viewership since October 4.<br>�� <a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/31p7EfnpqA">pic.twitter.com/31p7EfnpqA</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478750073668440066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tony Khan sits up at night alone crying into his white claws because he will never have as big of a star as BRRRRRRRRRROCK LEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSNARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[slik]

685K for NXT New Years Evil, which is up about 4%

[Mr. Nerfect]

. In Japan Kenny is a much bigger draw than Brock was. Brock wasn't even putting on good matches like Kenny.

Kenny definitely has more classic wrestling matches than Brock even though they both do a similar suplex over and over in their matches.

Kenny is probably a bigger star than Brock in the eyes of most fans because Kenny wrestles every week and so statistics say that Kenny is the bigger draw and ratings star because he appears more often than WWE's Brock Lesnar.

Plus Kenny has merch in many different areas from shirts, toys and is EVP of AEW and leads AEW games. Kenny reach is further than Brock because Brock just shows up here and there and then goes back to the farm.

Kenny's matches also are much better.

Love this. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.01 million for Dynamite’s big debut.

[Sepholio]

. In Japan Kenny is a much bigger draw than Brock was. Brock wasn't even putting on good matches like Kenny.

Kenny definitely has more classic wrestling matches than Brock even though they both do a similar suplex over and over in their matches.

Kenny is probably a bigger star than Brock in the eyes of most fans because Kenny wrestles every week and so statistics say that Kenny is the bigger draw and ratings star because he appears more often than WWE's Brock Lesnar.

Plus Kenny has merch in many different areas from shirts, toys and is EVP of AEW and leads AEW games. Kenny reach is further than Brock because Brock just shows up here and there and then goes back to the farm.

Kenny's matches also are much better.

In the eyes of most fans? I'm being 100% serious here when I say you are literally the first person I have ever heard say Kenny Omega is a bigger star than Brock Lesnar. Brock has mainstream appeal and recognition; no one outside of wrestling fans has any idea who Kenny is.

[slik]

AEW back over a million for their debut on TBS, nice

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite finished #2 on cable for its debut on TBS, per Showbuzz Daily.<br><br>18-34 audience was through the roof for the show. Rating in that demo was up 79 percent from last week.</p>&mdash; John Pollock (@iamjohnpollock) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamjohnpollock/status/1479204408118452227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">P18-34 viewers were 239,000, which is Dynamite’s fourth-highest in the history of the program. <br><br>It’s also a larger aged 18 to 34 audience than either Raw or Smackdown have done since Smackdown on November 26 recorded 266,000 viewers in the age group.<a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/hCOyQXZujG">pic.twitter.com/hCOyQXZujG</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1479204208947699716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

I told you guys that AEW on TBS would be a huge success

[slik]

The Big Bang Theory is a much more reliable and consistent lead-in than random movies on TNT (no offense to 'The Accountant')

[TNARICK1]

They threw everything they had at this show and still barely cracked a million. This was definitely a failure. Next week will be back under a million. They will probably never hit it again. They have no more tricks up their sleeves.

[Sting Fan]

I still couldn’t care less about ratings. But cracking a million is nice. Imagine calling that when AEW debuted in this timeframe.

[xrodmuc316]

Wait, so now the important number is the percentage increase in the 18-34 demo??? Anything to spin the win :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

I still couldn’t care less about ratings. But cracking a million is nice. Imagine calling that when AEW debuted in this timeframe.

They got 1.4 million when they debuted...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Then 1 million became “fine.” Then it became the baseline. Then it became a giant success if you got it.

[xrodmuc316]

Then 1 million became “fine.” Then it became the baseline. Then it became a giant success if you got it.

Exactly, people love using the "Move the Goalpost" phrase, but they change what they hype. I guess that even though TNT and TBS are owned by the same company, TBS only really cares about the 18-34 demo, that silly TNT wanting to care about the extra people aged 36-49, well that is the old way of looking at things!

[Sting Fan]

A millions great.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

AEW back over a million for their debut on TBS, nice

I was told they’d never hit a million again

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Oh I see yet another “never hit a million again” prediction. Curious how this one will be backed out of when AEW inevitably hits 1 mil again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A millions great.

Compared to what? NXT? I’m not even sure it is more popular in any context than a week-to-week loyal cable viewership.

It’s not a great number compared to most of what’s in the Showbuzz charts and what’s left off (reruns, etc.). 1 million people from the entire United States.

And we’ll also see if the show started off strong with a lead-in and then the audience dwindled. Or what happens in coming weeks.

[Sting Fan]

A millions excellent.

[TNARICK1]

This week Big Bang Theory fans were surprised with something new after their show. They all watched and saw it sucked. They will tune out immediately next week.

[drave]

I posit the superfan who would still be watching BBT would also find interest in the physics of such a spectacle. They will continue to watch, figure out the secrets of the industry, create an algorithm that will select the best candidates for said spectacle and take down both WWE and AEW and lolTNA.




WOOOOOOOO!

[Mr. Nerfect]

A millions excellent.

Why?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I posit the superfan who would still be watching BBT would also find interest in the physics of such a spectacle. They will continue to watch, figure out the secrets of the industry, create an algorithm that will select the best candidates for said spectacle and take down both WWE and AEW and lolTNA.




WOOOOOOOO!

It’s not just superfans. BBT is watched by more people than watch Dynamite and Rampage put together, as if they were unique individuals. WarnerMedia signed them for a deal apparently worth $1 billion in 2019.

[Sting Fan]

A millions spectacular.

[Sting Fan]

Aaanyway...

This popped into my social feed, probably the most interesting ratings read I have seen, which frankly isnt saying a lot.

https://wrestlenomics.com/2021/07/19/wwe-raw-ratings-compared-to-wider-trends-in-tv/

[xrodmuc316]

Aaanyway...

This popped into my social feed, probably the most interesting ratings read I have seen, which frankly isnt saying a lot.

https://wrestlenomics.com/2021/07/19/wwe-raw-ratings-compared-to-wider-trends-in-tv/

And this is a perfect example how people can take some numbers, leave out others, and spin the story into what they want. It is confirmation bias at its finest.

Dude compares WWE live ratings to other sports, since WWE has declined more in ratings. However he leaves out the fact that the rest of "non-sports" TV ratings are down more than WWE in this timeframe.

Then he acts like he is acknowledging that fact, but really he has transitioned to DVR viewership. He states more people watch WWE on DVR than live sports, however compared to non-sports and non-news programs (because he just randomly decided to exclude news programs in the middle of all this) WWE doesn't hold up to those DVR viewerships.

WWE has declined less than traditional TV, likely because that is offset by the larger number of people watching traditional TV on DVR instead.

The truth is closer to being WWE is down the same amount as traditional TV when combining live viewing and DVR viewing. But an article about how WWE is just like the rest of TV is not an interesting story.

WWE is in a grey area, more live than normal TV, but less live than sports (and news), more DVR viewership than sports (and news), but less DVR than normal TV.

[Sting Fan]

I agree with Xrod, a million plus us outstanding.

[Destor]

im optimistic. if they can consistently hit 1 million thats no small fea for a young product like theirs.

[Sting Fan]

im optimistic. if they can consistently hit 1 million thats no small fea for a young product like theirs.

Agree, when the overall market appears to be shrinking i would be impressed if they can hover around that mark for a while.

[Destor]

the big thing is the advertising revenue. if they can consistently have this kind of performance theyre going to see a lot of growth. theyre operating at a loss currently and this is good news on that front

[slik]

I thought interest in Brock/Lashley would get a good bump in ratings but I was wrong

1.63 million for RAW

[Sepholio]

RAW was going against the National Championship. God vs Satan in Hell in a Cell for a main event wouldn't have increased their ratings last night.

[xrodmuc316]

Poor Raw, going up against The National Championship only got 1.63 million viewers. Too bad Raw is not the powerhouse AEW is on Wednesdays unopposed, or they could get 1.01 million viewers too!

Wait...

[drave]

https://www.tpwwforums.com/images/editor/menupop.gifIt's not fair to compare!!!!




or something




/s

[Jordan]

Battle of the Belts did 704,000 which is better than I figured it would do, huge success again for AEW.

[Big Vic]

I thought interest in Brock/Lashley would get a good bump in ratings but I was wrong

1.63 million for RAW

That's interesting, will they finally fight?

[xrodmuc316]

That's interesting, will they finally fight?

Yep at Royal Rumble!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Battle of the Belts did 704,000 which is better than I figured it would do, huge success again for AEW.

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Poor Raw, going up against The National Championship only got 1.63 million viewers. Too bad Raw is not the powerhouse AEW is on Wednesdays unopposed, or they could get 1.01 million viewers too!

Wait...

:lol:

[slik]

NXT losing to a show called Assisted Living, the demo just wasn't young enough

https://i.postimg.cc/sDnBk4Mz/NXX.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

I hear John Cena’s hosting a game show on TBS that debuted its 2nd season last night. The biggest star is wrestling over the past 20 years! TBS is becoming quite the Mecca for wrestling fans!

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, congrats to WWE NXT for cracking the top 40!

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT losing to a show called Assisted Living, the demo just wasn't young enough

https://i.postimg.cc/sDnBk4Mz/NXX.jpg

They got more viewers and the same in the alleged key demo. And that’s also with an OTT presence. Plus, just because a show is about old people doesn’t mean it’s geared to old people.

Showbuzz charts are such bullshit.

[Jordan]

AEW prediction for tonight's rating with big WARDLOW vs Cm Punk... 1.25 million

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW prediction for tonight's rating with big WARDLOW vs Cm Punk... 1.25 million

I think you’re selling them short with that one. I’m going to go…1.55 million. They won’t be Raw, but they will come close with the power of TBS and Wardlow’s star potential and biceps!

[Mr. Nerfect]

969k for Dynamite. That’s about a 6% drop. Just wait until people find it though.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oooooooo WWE Heat on wwe.com called. They want their ratings back.

[Sting Fan]

969k is a great number. Outstanding show too, more happened in the first hour than has happened on other shows in months.

[xrodmuc316]

It doesnt look like CM Phil has changed the culture :rofl:

[slik]

https://i.postimg.cc/YqKgFVdh/Screenshot-2022-01-13-3-44-36-PM.png

[xrodmuc316]

https://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/cm-punk-22.jpg

It doesnt look like CM Phil has changed the culture :rofl:

[TNARICK1]

AEW under a million hahaha stupid bitches

[Mr. Nerfect]

969k is a great number. Outstanding show too, more happened in the first hour than has happened on other shows in months.

That doesn’t mean anything good happened. And sometimes less is more anyway. It’s better to give logical and genuinely beneficial things time to breathe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/cm-punk-22.jpg

The Miz is legitimately the bigger wrestling star of the two. I don’t think anyone can deny that at this point.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Rick what will you say the next time AEW inevitably hits a million plus on their ratings?

[Sting Fan]

That doesn’t mean anything good happened. And sometimes less is more anyway. It’s better to give logical and genuinely beneficial things time to breathe.

Nah your wrong, I’m not even going to bother give reasons anymore. Your wrong, show was fire, felt action packed, ratings are great to.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah your wrong, I’m not even going to bother give reasons anymore. Your wrong, show was fire, felt action packed, ratings are great to.

Hahaha, have you ever given a reason ever? You like what you like. That’s fine. It doesn’t mean it’s good or popular though.

[Sepholio]

Not sure he knows how to make an argument that isn't completely subjective and based entirely on his feels.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What I don’t understand is how TBS is going to justify keeping Dynamite in this slot when The Big Bang Theory does better ratings than it. I can’t be fucked checking the schedule, but did they push it earlier or later? I think I said somewhere that it could be a strategy to push people towards streaming too.

It’s not necessarily doom and gloom, but you would think that TBS is definitely taking a hit in advertising revenue from that slot. I guess that station could be making bigger profits elsewhere (does moving BBT to somewhere else greatly increase the revenue they would have been making from those slots, balancing things out?). But to see people pumping their arms about 900k on TBS is just reflective of where the times have taken us.

[xrodmuc316]

But to see people pumping their arms about 900k on TBS is just reflective of where the times have taken us.

Yeah, but what don't they celebrate? No matter what happens they act like they are the kid that broke the Piñata .

[Sepholio]

Rampage could pull a total of 17 viewers and the narrative would be "Well yeah but 100% of them were in the 18-49 demo!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rampage could pull a total of 17 viewers and the narrative would be "Well yeah but 100% of them were in the 18-49 demo!"

Yep. And if it turned out they were all over 50, the narrative would change to that being the important demo now.

Seriously, with so many AEW fans being 48 and 49, watch the argument change over the next couple of years when they have birthdays.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The US is probably very different, culturally, but thinking about it, I don’t think I know a single person in the 18-49 demo that still has cable. I know one person who uses their parents’ service through an app remotely. So I don’t even think they would count in the 18-49 demo, should they be a Nielsen family and directly reported that.

Do advertisers actually WANT the people who pay money for cable services in 2022? Or would they prefer the younger people who are smart enough to stream that shit.

[#1-norm-fan]

Do advertisers actually WANT the people who pay money for cable services in 2022?

Yes. Hence commercials.

[TNARICK1]

Rampage

showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-friday-1-14-2022-top-150-cable-originals-network-finals.html

Did 526,000 viewers and a 0.20 demo, coming in at #20 for the night. Down about 60,000 and 0.04 from the week before.

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

[xrodmuc316]

Rampage

showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-friday-1-14-2022-top-150-cable-originals-network-finals.html

Did 526,000 viewers and a 0.20 demo, coming in at #20 for the night. Down about 60,000 and 0.04 from the week before.

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah but they were number 1 in the 22-46 year old Canadian Nationals living in Mexico demo!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is the change people have been waiting for. Clearly.

[slik]

1.61 million for RAW up against the big game

[xrodmuc316]

1.61 million for RAW up against the big game

It helped that it was a blowout.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Raw sucks. AEW almost got half of what they did across their 3 primary hours of cable.

[slik]

587k / #50 for NXT 2.0

Curse of Oak Island show really popular


https://i.postimg.cc/TPrXP754/ki2iahktmuc81.jpg

[Sting Fan]

Over a millions a good number…

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s almost a Rampage number.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1,032,000 million for Dynamite! Watch out WWE! Only 600k more to go to tie it with that third hour holding it back. *shadow boxes*

You can do this! Now you’ve just got to get another wrestler addicted to a substance so you can promote their return. What’s Brodie Lee’s kid doing?

[#1-norm-fan]

Wow. NXT officially demoted from a war against Dynamite to a war against the late Friday night B-show. How the mighty have fallen.

[Jordan]

1,032,000 million for Dynamite! Watch out WWE! Only 600k more to go to tie it with that third hour holding it back. *shadow boxes*

You can do this! Now you’ve just got to get another wrestler addicted to a substance so you can promote their return. What’s Brodie Lee’s kid doing?

We have the DEMO, Noid. Only thing happening at WWE is reruns and reboots. We have original wrestling happening in a creative environment. We don't accept one man's vision, nobody will be renamed not even if you have the same name as two very famous wrestlers that both died before their time. Watch out, AEW is taking over. We are in control now and it won't be long before you're precious WWE will only be remembered for the anonymous Raw GM and did Randy Savage have sex with an underaged Stephanie McMahon?

[slik]

https://i.postimg.cc/yxhFyRgY/AEW.png

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite: 1.03 million and 0.44</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275382152929282?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More impressive, AEW beat both NBA games and was No. 1 on cable last night.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1484282625468497921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite beat RAW in 18-49</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275514600689668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

NBA is less popular than I would have assumed, or is it all streamed now too?

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.postimg.cc/yxhFyRgY/AEW.png

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite: 1.03 million and 0.44</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275382152929282?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More impressive, AEW beat both NBA games and was No. 1 on cable last night.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1484282625468497921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite beat RAW in 18-49</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1484275514600689668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The real question is, do these 2 idiots actually tweet back and forth to each other while in the same room???

[#1-norm-fan]

Have you seen Meltzer’s office? There’s no room for a second person.

[Triple A]

The real question is, do these 2 idiots actually tweet back and forth to each other while in the same room???

I think Alvarez is in Washington state and Meltzer is in California

[Sting Fan]

They threw everything they had at this show and still barely cracked a million. This was definitely a failure. Next week will be back under a million. They will probably never hit it again. They have no more tricks up their sleeves.

I agree, a million is a great number.

[slik]

Correct

Meltzer lives in San Jose and Alvarez lives in Bothell, Washington

[xrodmuc316]

That is like an hour plane ride

[#1-norm-fan]

I think Alvarez is in Washington state and Meltzer is in California

I’ve lived the vast majority of my life in Northern California. Further north than Dave even. I can attest that this is quite a trek just to tweet in the same room as another guy. Seems silly and pointless to make that journey, IMO.

[xrodmuc316]

I dont even know why we are pretending AEW got a million because they are good. They got a million because Cody returned, plain and simple.

[#1-norm-fan]

And again, Meltzer’s office is a MESS. Alverez’ office may be cleaner and not accommodating to another person but still the trip just doesn’t seem worth it.

[xrodmuc316]

And again, Meltzer’s office is a MESS. Alverez’ office may be cleaner and not accommodating to another person but still the trip just doesn’t seem worth it.

Fair, I wouldnt even drive 3 minutes to see Dave Melter :rofl:

[slik]

https://i.postimg.cc/hP1F34HX/9tzy4nam1wy61.jpg

[Sepholio]

Jesus. I thought I was unorganized.

[slik]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8pb5ZhWOITQ" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Verbose Minch]

AEW did so good last night that Warner released a statement about it.

We just keep winning, AEDUB bros

[xrodmuc316]

AEW did so good last night that Warner released a statement about it.

We just keep winning, AEDUB bros

Full Statement from Warner:

"Cody Good"

[Triple A]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8pb5ZhWOITQ" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Love that he is just walking on tons of crumbled papers for the entire video... love that his dad is shooting this and tells him to turn around and look at the camera

[Verbose Minch]

Full Statement from Warner:

"Cody Good"

lol

[Triple A]

Love when Meltzer pauses for like 20 seconds while recording a show so he can check his notes, and when his stop watch alarm goes off and keeps beeping for like 30 seconds until Alvarez gets annoyed and asks him what that is

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m interested how many more excuses Rick Can make every time he claims AEW won’t hit a million again only to be wrong almost every week

[slik]

Love that he is just walking on tons of crumbled papers for the entire video... love that his dad is shooting this and tells him to turn around and look at the camera

Here's the second part

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer and Alvarez don’t know shit about ratings. They can read the charts, but the conclusions they draw are just plain ignorant. It’s a work to sell newsletters and present these times as more exciting than they are to credulous subscribers.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> averaged 1.032M viewers and a 0.44 18-49 rating on Wed, per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was their best audience since their 2nd anniversary special on 10/6, and best 18-49 rating since 9/29. Year to year it was up 20.8% in total viewers, and the 18-49 rating was up 22.2%</p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@RajGiri_303) <a href="https://twitter.com/RajGiri_303/status/1484276482474229760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

Fair, I wouldnt even drive 3 minutes to see Dave Melter :rofl:

3 minutes??? Guy’s a walking wrestling encyclopedia. I’d definitely drive 3 minutes to discuss wrestling with him. What true wrestling fan wouldn’t???

[#1-norm-fan]

Only up 20.8% in total viewers from last year!?!

RIP AEW

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW was running against NXT a year ago.

Wow, Noid and xrodmuc. These Meltzer Sheep keep calling falling over themselves posting phoney numbers.

[#1-norm-fan]

NXT was running against AEW a year ago too.

NOT WORKING OUT AS WELL FOR THEM.

[xrodmuc316]

Only up 20.8% in total viewers from last year!?!

RIP AEW

Give it up man, as soon as Cody takes another break they will be right back down to about 800,000.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m interested how many more excuses Rick Can make every time he claims AEW won’t hit a million again only to be wrong almost every week

All they have to do is have a former World Champ return after a 4 month break paired on the same episode with their best wrestler returning from a bout with Covid. They can keep that formula going, right?

[Sepholio]

NXT was running against AEW a year ago too.

NOT WORKING OUT AS WELL FOR THEM.

Such a mark.

Dynamite is their A-tier show. NXT is the feds C-tier show.

Let's put Dark: Elevation against NXT. Then you'll see!

[TNARICK1]

All they have to do is have a former World Champ return after a 4 month break paired on the same episode with their best wrestler returning from a bout with Covid. They can keep that formula going, right?


Exactly. This is the last time they will hit 1 million. They are not creating any stars and are running out of people to bring. I'm gonna laugh in Damien Rey's bitch ass face next week when they can't even hit 1 million.

[Sting Fan]

No my dads tougher than our dad!!!

TBF all the wrestling journos and guys doing the podcast rounds look like they only shower to go to the nudie bookstore.

[Sepholio]

No my dads tougher than our dad!!!

TBF all the wrestling journos and guys doing the podcast rounds look like they only shower to go to the nudie bookstore.

Your dads tougher than our dad? Why...that doesn't make any sense! Wouldn't he be both our dads then? Is one of them a clone or some type of skinwalker? Maybe a pod person?

[Sting Fan]

My posting effort levels pretty low right now.

[Sting Fan]

No clones, only pod people.

[Sepholio]

That makes sense. Dad is always asking people to take him to their leaders. I always thought he was just trying to be funny.

[TNARICK1]

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[XL]

All they have to do is have a former World Champ return after a 4 month break paired on the same episode with their best wrestler returning from a bout with Covid. They can keep that formula going, right?

Tbf they’ve got a big enough roster to achieve this.

Jericho needs his spell in rehab by all accounts. Bryan can have a couple weeks out for COVID. They’ve still got Kenny to return too, so they can do this at least two more times.

[#1-norm-fan]

Such a mark.

Dynamite is their A-tier show. NXT is the feds C-tier show.

Let's put Dark: Elevation against NXT. Then you'll see!

Hey, I didn’t bring up NXT here. I believe Gertner is the mark you’re looking for.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Exactly. This is the last time they will hit 1 million. They are not creating any stars and are running out of people to bring. I'm gonna laugh in Damien Rey's bitch ass face next week when they can't even hit 1 million.

We all know you’re gonna run to the keyboard when they inevitably fall short of a million again. The question is what excuse will you come up with next time when inevitably hit a million viewers after claiming they won’t. This keeps happening. You say they won’t do it again, then make an excuse as to why THIS TIME IT’S THE LAST TIME. I’d imagine your legs and ball are developing real well after having to constantly pickup and move those goal posts.

[weather vane]

Good number/news for AEW. Makes sense. Show is awesome.

[Sting Fan]

We all know you’re gonna run to the keyboard when they inevitably fall short of a million again. The question is what excuse will you come up with next time when inevitably hit a million viewers after claiming they won’t. This keeps happening. You say they won’t do it again, then make an excuse as to why THIS TIME IT’S THE LAST TIME. I’d imagine your legs and ball are developing real well after having to constantly pickup and move those goal posts.

He hasn’t claimed they will never hit it again this time. He’s evolving…

[XL]

Exactly. This is the last time they will hit 1 million. They are not creating any stars and are running out of people to bring. I'm gonna laugh in Damien Rey's bitch ass face next week when they can't even hit 1 million.

I mean, he does claim that.

[weather vane]

Lol you guys are wild.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He hasn’t claimed they will never hit it again this time. He’s evolving…

He literally just said this’ll be the last time lol. I don’t care about results. I just think it’s hilarious that we have 3 different nincompoops tying themselves in knots when AEW pulls a million every so often.

[TNARICK1]

I bet you wouldn't say that to my face.

[xrodmuc316]

He literally just said this’ll be the last time lol. I don’t care about results. I just think it’s hilarious that we have 3 different nincompoops tying themselves in knots when AEW pulls a million every so often.

I do not care one bit if they do or do not get a million. I do care about 1 million being celebrated while 1.6 million is mocked. It's asinine hypocrisy at it's worst. 1 cannot be great if 1.6 is horrible.

Go ahead and read this thread, maybe that will clue you in to my issue:

https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=138517

[Jordan]

I do not care one bit if they do or do not get a million. I do care about 1 million being celebrated while 1.6 million is mocked. It's asinine hypocrisy at it's worst. 1 cannot be great if 1.6 is horrible.

Go ahead and read this thread, maybe that will clue you in to my issue:

https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=138517

It's 1 million sensible people vs 1.6 million fucking retards! Let's hear it, fuck WWE and Vince, they suck! AEW is the number one wrestling, even Impact is better. Fuck Raw and Smackdown. I acknowledge TONY KHAN, I SPIT at the water cup of Nick Khan and the McMahon Family who have a history of criminal activity including rape and murder.

[Sting Fan]

He literally just said this’ll be the last time lol. I don’t care about results. I just think it’s hilarious that we have 3 different nincompoops tying themselves in knots when AEW pulls a million every so often.

Oh ha! Missed that, I saw his other post where he was careful not to say that.

[Sting Fan]

I bet you wouldn't say that to my face.

I bet your the least intimidating thing walking this earth.

[TNARICK1]

Keep watching wrestling stupid faggit

[ron the dial]

bro you wanna marathon some old nitros or what

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmaoooo Rick it’s getting very mad. Think it’s time to fire up the ham sandwich machine and throw on some Russo era tna

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Idk why it’s so hard for people to see that a brand here company in its infancy pulling a million or close to it in an era where wrestling is dead is so hard to fathom as a good thing.

WWE pulling 1.6 isn’t celebrated because they’re LOSING viewership. Checkout the Raw after MITB this year as compared to 2011. 4.83m I’m 2011 compared to 1.9m in 2021. They’ve lost damn near 3 million viewers in a decade.

That’s why nobody celebrates WWE pulling a 1.6. Who celebrates dwindling viewership?

[xrodmuc316]

Idk why it’s so hard for people to see that a brand here company in its infancy pulling a million or close to it in an era where wrestling is dead is so hard to fathom as a good thing.

WWE pulling 1.6 isn’t celebrated because they’re LOSING viewership. Checkout the Raw after MITB this year as compared to 2011. 4.83m I’m 2011 compared to 1.9m in 2021. They’ve lost damn near 3 million viewers in a decade.

That’s why nobody celebrates WWE pulling a 1.6. Who celebrates dwindling viewership?

It is not about celebrating WWE. 1.6 is not a good rating, THEREFORE 1.0 is not a good rating.

Try reading this thread one more time.

https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=138517

[XL]

You can’t just remove context though. Even if it helps your argument.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don’t know what he said but I’m sure it’s something along the lines “derp how can one be good but the other be bad derp”, which would be missing the entire point, unsurprisingly.

[Sting Fan]

Keep watching wrestling stupid faggit

:lol::naughty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW sucks, gets shitty ratings. Makes sense.