Ratings Thread

[xrodmuc316]

Quarters going around saying Rollins vs Bron on NXT hit 950,000.

[drave]

That's all Rollins

[Sepholio]

816k on Sat > 902k on Wed.

I agree but I also don't think the 800k area range is where this show stays. A lot of those viewers were there because it was a new show. Remember Dynamite going over 1.6 million when it was new. Obviously not an exact comparison because Dynamite was the launch of the whole brand and this is just an expansion, but the main point is that the audience has dropped almost 50% from then. I don't think Collision drops off quite that much, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were down in the area of 600k a month from now, possibly a touch lower.

[Sepholio]

Also I feel like if people are just going to constantly float between both shows it's going to hurt Collisions draw. Why waste your Saturday night watching people you can see on Wednesday too? Feels like they had Punk cross over way too soon especially. He's supposed to be the big draw on Saturday, but if he's gonna be on all the shows then Saturday becomes less important. Think they really blew their load wayyyyy too fast on having him pop up over there this soon. They should have held that back for quite a while and had it be more special.

[xrodmuc316]

That's all Rollins

Well yeah lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also I feel like if people are just going to constantly float between both shows it's going to hurt Collisions draw. Why waste your Saturday night watching people you can see on Wednesday too? Feels like they had Punk cross over way too soon especially. He's supposed to be the big draw on Saturday, but if he's gonna be on all the shows then Saturday becomes less important. Think they really blew their load wayyyyy too fast on having him pop up over there this soon. They should have held that back for quite a while and had it be more special.

I agree.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hmm, I think it was good promotion for Collision. They were in Chicago, so it makes sense to dangle Punk out there, get a giant pop, talk the show up.

[xrodmuc316]

595k for episode 2, that's what happens when you don't let Miro wrestle!

[xrodmuc316]

In other news...

Tiny Khan just spent $55 million of his daddy's money to buy Showbuzz Daily to shut it down and hide Collision's ratings downfall going forward. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof l::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[slik]

damn @ showbuzzdaily going under, they were a really interesting site, always had lots of data and it was where I first saw (for example) just how insanely high the 60+ viewership is for FOX NEWS

[Sepholio]

595k for episode 2, that's what happens when you don't let Miro wrestle!

I don't think Collision drops off quite that much, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were down in the area of 600k a month from now, possibly a touch lower.

Only took a week. Damn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, I thought you were joking, xrod. They actually are folding and even made a comment about wrestling trolls on the way out. If it were about bots, could totally have been planted by Tony Khan.

Not a great number for Collision. A drop-off was expected. Often pilots will lose something like 30%. 26% or whatever isn’t horrific. Looks more jarring when you’re talking about an audience of a couple of hundred thousand in the first place. It’s a shame, because Collision has far and away been the better show. It was half-way making AEW interesting and providing hope. Maybe it’s a a bit early to call it, but it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be inspiring any change anytime soon.

[XL]

It’s all just a bit too much, surely?

2 hours Wednesday, an hour Friday, 2 on Saturday and then Forbidden Door on Sunday? And that’s just if you’re an AEW diehard.

[slik]

raw - 1.97 million

[Sepholio]

lol WWEs B show gets 333% more viewers than AEWs B-show heading into a yuge international PPV.

Oo-oo-oo-oooooooooof

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s all just a bit too much, surely?

2 hours Wednesday, an hour Friday, 2 on Saturday and then Forbidden Door on Sunday? And that’s just if you’re an AEW diehard.

Oh yeah. Dynamite will likely be effected too.

[Destor]

There's way too much wrestling in general and jts bad for everyone. Its bad for the workers health obviously. Its bad for getting guys over (overexposure.) Its bad for creating angles short and long term (only so many fresh matches that can exist, and this is a big one because once youve ran out of match ups creative has nothing for you so this ultimately shortens careers faster than the injuries.) And its bad for the audience for all those reasons above but it also exhausts them and burns them out. The only people who win are the networks who get to sell more ad spots but in truth a hotter product would have more eyeballs so do they even win?

There's way too much wrestling.

[Lock Jaw]

#ShutItDown

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ca" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a>    - 381,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a>    - 595,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>    - 900,000<br> <br> Total: 1,876,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> - 1,973,000 <a href="https://t.co/TF7juSdCMg">pic.twitter.com/TF7juSdCMg</a></p>&mdash; EliteRockers© (@EliteClubSOB) <a href="https://twitter.com/EliteClubSOB/status/1673791808269340672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s hard to feel sorry for them when they were so smug.

[XL]

Not sure that’s smug. That’s delusional.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, people who say unbelievably dumb things in a smug manner are just the worst, huh?

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/7qv4kh.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had no clue NXT was getting so close to even Dynamite. I know they’ve been pumping their shows up lately, but it actually seems to be working.

[Sepholio]

Man imagine if the overexposure that another show brings is what causes the audience to dwindle enough that NXT starts winning. Thatd be a hell of a turn.

[Evil Vito]

Some dorks are trying to spin the Collision ratings into a Dynamite vs Collision argument. It’s a Saturday night time slot. Of course the numbers will be worse. Wait until how much it “plummets” during college football season.

Outdated Nielsen ratings metrics don't tell you the whole story. I don't need to see ratings numbers to tell you the true number of unreported viewers (watching on DVR even if days later etc) will be similar for both shows. There’s little evidence AEW have grown beyond their very dedicated group of core viewers, and that’s still good enough in the networks’ eyes to get a billion dollar deal and a new show.

[Big Vic]

Triple A should make a ticker for the forums that has the ratings scrolling across the top.

[xrodmuc316]

That is where I disagree Vito.

It is AEW that made ratings such an important thing. It is why they crowed about good demos until those went down, then they didnt matter. It is why Tiny Khan posted celebration thank you tweets every time they got over a million viewers, then that went down. He isn't posting thank you for 850,000. Then it wasn't the total viewers anymore, but what place they finished for the night. Then when they fell down that list, suddenly Tiny was posting about how great their vagematch ratings were, until those started going down. Then it was that upfronts renewal news.and Billion dollar deal, which didn't happen. Then it was they got this new show because WBD loves AEW, except they still did not get any type of extension on the length of their TV show.

This is not the byproduct of dorky fans, dorky fans talk about it because AEW has tried to spin everything since day 1. AEW and their roster have constantly changed their own stance on what actually matters based on whatever can allow them to continue the delusion that they are WAY more successful than they actually are.

Jericho is the one who boldly claimed AEW would be beating Raw soon, not some random fan. If they themselves never introduced this shit into the world, then there would be no reason to point it out. But they did, instead of taking criticism and trying to improve, they dig in. So yes, it is fun watching them contradict themselves and what is considered successful depending on the day.

[drave]

Rasslers boast about being the best, ever. Always.






MORE AT 11!

[Mr. Nerfect]

They did invite the rods for their backs. You could easily talk about how you want to grow, how there is always more work to do. Or just not draw attention to superficial business metrics at all. WWE are public and get away with that.

The idea that promoters have to go out there and misrepresent themselves to the point it’s detrimental is just not true.

[xrodmuc316]

Rasslers boast about being the best, ever. Always.






MORE AT 11!

There is a BIG difference between self promotion and constantly putting your foot in your mouth. Maybe just don't bring up WWE, and then people wouldn't have those comments to laugh at.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bingo.

[drave]

AEW wasn't the first, won't be the last


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Keep up that good fight.

[Bad News Gertner]

809,000 for Dynamite

Yikes

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW wasn't the first, won't be the last


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Keep up that good fight.

And they won’t be the last to be bitten by it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

809k? I was kind of joking about NXT catching up to them, but yikes.

[xrodmuc316]

Forbidden Door...more like Forbidden Momentum :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/7r1wj0.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

452k for Collision.

[xrodmuc316]

Man... Phil is gonna be angry :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/7rn81i.jpg

[Sepholio]

Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an F!

What does that spell?

CM Phil.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sepholio]

Seriously though....damn. Collision dropping off way harder than I thought it would.

[Sepholio]

lol Rampage pulled 450k. Only 2k shy of outdrawing Collision. Damn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Time to pack in the new deal, boys. AEW is done.

[Sepholio]

I'm curious how bad this is gonna get when college football starts.

[drave]

It's almost like Punk isn't a draw because his last in-ring stuff was fucking terrible. Couple that with him being a pious b hole and yeah

[Destor]

He can get car wreck attention but once people realize there's no gore they turn their eyes back to the road

[drave]

Exactly. And I say that as a former "fan" of his. I had the 25/8/366 knees 2 faces shirt. It was a great shirt tbh.... but yeah.


I used to enjoy his work, regardless of what company he was in, but sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, his AEW run was and is awful.

[#1-norm-fan]

What I saw of the MJF feud was really good. Having him wrestle weekly against nobodies was a terrible idea though. Especially in hindsight once he kept getting injured.

[Destor]

He's been pretty clear he doesnt want to be a part time worker...he should consider it, clearly.

[Destor]

Course there's the hypocrisy issue if he were to go partime, but lets be real, he's way past be able to avoid that

[drave]

What I saw of the MJF feud was really good. Having him wrestle weekly against nobodies was a terrible idea though. Especially in hindsight once he kept getting injured.


The dude can still talk, 100%.


Everything else tho? GTFO. It's that simple, honestly.

[xrodmuc316]

I know wrestling is about suspending disbelief, but there is a line. I saw that dude get mauled in a fight, then toyed with in another fight to the point of not even being able to defend himself against being tickled. There is no way I can take his character of the best badass can beat everybody seriously ever.

I have an easier time believing Kane could actually control fire than I can Phil being a world beater, and that is before he "exploded" his foot by doing a 2 foot stage dive.

He says good zingers, but it doesn't change the fact that he is just not believable as a rough and tough guy like they are portraying him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk’s good in the ring. He is old and does shine a light on how unspectacular almost all of the roster is though. If there’s a credibility issue with him, there’s a credibility issue with almost every other guy there. Plus that he’s got the biggest dick makes them all look pathetic.

He’s also been presented as the enemy. Even if fans don’t really believe it, he’s made the company and its management look foolish, which has ruined church for some people.

But these numbers aren’t necessarily a CM Punk problem. Would Kenny Omega be doing better on Saturdays? This could very well be an AEW problem and/or a Saturday night problem with Punk holding that thing up as much as he can.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Destor’s right when he says CM Punk can grab attention but struggles to keep it. Always been that way. Some guys can be very good professional wrestlers and just not be long-term answers as draws.

I’m interested to see what Collision does next week. Joe tends to pique interest too. It’s a big show for them. But this is why the roster split idea never works, and trying to turn your own audience against its biggest star is just nightmare promoting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision is a better show than Dynamite. But it’s cold and on a Saturday. Dynamite isn’t very good. No steak. Why would I watch it? Why would I buy PPVs featuring half-and-half? Why am I following this shit at all? There’s too much of it and too much that isn’t good. That makes the stuff that would work ineffective.

[Sepholio]

Punk is not good in the ring and he hasn't been since he came back. It's weird that you can't admit that.

Oh, wait. You don't actually watch. You don't know that he sucks. Forgot you are basing your opinion on highlights and podcasts.

[Destor]

Plenty of guys who were bad in the ring could draw. I think the more salient issue here is 50% of their audience proved that if they cared enough they could make Saturday nights available and based on what theyve seen theyve decided to not do that anymore.

Id argue if they saw the makings of Punk v Omega at least half of those who walked would still be there. Thats what they tuned in for on night 1 and when they realized it was just swept under the rug they knew there was nothing worth seeing and went about their business.

Obviously Saturday's were always going to be a tough sell. You will never bring in new non wrestling fans in on a saturday night. Its a rough slot. What we can also say is the promise of cm punk being on tv isnt going to bring in established pro wrestling fans either.

[Sepholio]

Part of me thinks that they see SD doing so well in the Friday night death slot that they probably thought people would tune in on Saturday too.

[Destor]

SD! isnt doing all that hot when you really take a look at it. Theyre pulling gpod cable numbers on network TV. Meanwhile here's AEW running cable in an even worse slot.

[Destor]

A network hit should be drawing 10 million not 2

[Sepholio]

Yeah the most watched show on TV is pulling sub 10 million numbers these days.

[Destor]

Nah ncis regularly pulls 10 million

[Sepholio]

I take that back. 1 show in the last year has pulled over 10 million outside of spots. Yellowstone pulled 11.5 or so. After that it drops down to sub 10.

[Sepholio]

NCIS ratings for the last year are an average 9.8.

[Destor]

You couldnt pay me to watch that shit but its on season fucking 20 and can fart 9 million viewers. I truly dont understand it

[Destor]

NCIS ratings for the last year are an average 9.8.if i handed you $9.80 we'd call it 10. The show is a hit regardless.

[Sepholio]

There are just a large number of people who like that genre in general. A ton of the juggernaut TV shows are in the law/fire/med drama genre. It's been that way for decades. In the case of NCIS, it's been so long that people are just invested in it. You think 20 years is wild? Think about the soaps. Y&R has been running with the same characters since the 60s or something. People have watched their entire lives. Insane.

[Destor]

Then look to other major network offerings. In 2023 the top 20 shows excluding sports the no20 spot averages 6.92 million.

[Destor]

There are just a large number of people who like that genre in general. A ton of the juggernaut TV shows are in the law/fire/med drama genre. It's been that way for decades. In the case of NCIS, it's been so long that people are just invested in it. You think 20 years is wild? Think about the soaps. Y&R has been running with the same characters since the 60s or something. People have watched their entire lives. Insane.its outlandish. Nbcs line up is like 6 firefighter shows and they fucking draw. Like...tf.

[Destor]

My point is SD!s rating isnt particularly impressive for network. Those numbers are as influenced by friday as anything. You put sd on thursday i bet they draw 4.5mil day 1. So if youre on the outside looking and thinking "oh man weekends are doing just fine!" You're insane. Friday is the death slot its always been they just have the advantage of being on network tv. You put smackdown on cable and it would be pushing piss poor numbers.

[Sepholio]

if i handed you $9.80 we'd call it 10. The show is a hit regardless.

Yeah, I know it's semantics. And it's def a hit. But it's also in a different class of show running in a way better time slot. You can't measure SD by that same standard. SD is literally in what is historically the worst timeslot in history. Friday nights are notoriously terrible for TV.

[Destor]

Meanwhile SWAT, Fire Country, Blue Bloods and Jeopardy double those viewers in friday primetime.

[Destor]

SD! beats them in demo and thats what advertisers want it, but eyeballs? Its half its head to head.

[Sepholio]

My point is SD!s rating isnt particularly impressive for network. Those numbers are as influenced by friday as anything. You put sd on thursday i bet they draw 4.5mil day 1. So if youre on the outside looking and thinking "oh man weekends are doing just fine!" You're insane. Friday is the death slot its always been they just have the advantage of being on network tv. You put smackdown on cable and it would be pushing piss poor numbers.

I get that. That's my point. SD probably would draw 4.5 mill. But what they are drawing on a Friday is great specifically for that day. They are second place out of the networks on Friday. What I'm saying is that AEW probably saw that and figured hey if SD can pull what they do on Friday, maybe we can do pretty good for a Saturday night for cable. And right now they still kinda are. I dunno what last weeks place would have been considering Showbuzz shut down, but if you compared it to the prior Saturday they'd have probably finished like 6th or 7th place for the night.

Thats why I said earlier I'm curious as to what college football will do to them. The bigger draws than them on Saturday cable are sports. College World Series pulled 5 times the number and no one watches College Baseball compared to Football. They lost half their viewers going up against that though and it pulled 2.5 million and won the night. Imagine what happens when they are going up against the game of the week in football season when it's pulling 10-15 million on a Saturday, let alone the other games on too. Considering the 50% drop off already, the numbers then could get absolutely abysmal. They might lose to Impact.

[Ruien]

What is Collision? Does AEW have 3 shows now?

[Sepholio]

Meanwhile SWAT, Fire Country, Blue Bloods and Jeopardy double those viewers in friday primetime.

No they don't. SD had 2.35million. Bluebloods won with 2.91. Swat had 2.73. Fire Country 2.36. Ain't nobody doubling up shit. Do you even look at the numbers or are you just guessing?

[Sepholio]

What is Collision? Does AEW have 3 shows now?

Yes they have a 2 hour show on Saturday nights now with CM Punk as the headliner.

[Sepholio]

SD! beats them in demo and thats what advertisers want it, but eyeballs? Its half its head to head.

SD DESTROYS them in the demo. It beats all of them combined.

[Destor]

Pulled the most recent sweeps numbers

[Destor]

https://tvline.com/ratings/tv-ratings-blue-bloods-season-13-episode-20-1234986139/

[Destor]

So no. All those shows, when marketing is in full swing, double smackdowns viewership

[Destor]

It edges them in demo by .2

[Sepholio]

I'd wager that if Nielsen could tell if you were sleeping and didn't count you if you were, SD would win the viewer numbers on Fridays by a wide margin too. Those other shows would lose half, if not more, of their audience. It's all geezers asleep in their recliners. All my older family members are passed out with CBS on by like 8:30 on Friday lol

[Destor]

Like i said its not like sd! Is lighting the world on fire fridays. Wrestling isnt all that hot and nothing is hot on fridays. And damn sure not on saturdays

[Sepholio]

So Im pulling the current numbers and you go back and find some old numbers that match up with your point. No point continuing with this.

[Destor]

I'd wager that if Nielsen could tell if you were sleeping and didn't count you if you were, SD would win the viewer numbers on Fridays by a wide margin too. Those other shows would lose half, if not more, of their audience. It's all geezers asleep in their recliners. All my older family members are passed out with CBS on by like 8:30 on Friday lolnielsonis horseshit and legally cant be used in court any longer because its THAT horseshit. So i agree. But if we're talking one mans horseshit data to a like horseshit data...yadda yadda yadda

[Destor]

So Im pulling the current numbers and you go back and find some old numbers that match up with your point. No point continuing with this.youre pulling numbers from july when the shows are airing reruns. Im pulling sweeps numbers, i.e. when the shows are airing the content people watch yes

[Destor]

Why would you pull summer numbers for non live events? Lol. Its like youve never heard of tv before

[Destor]

Do i need to explain what sweeps are while im here?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yes please.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yes please.

a sweep is when two teams play in a series of games, and one team wins all of them.

[Destor]

Sweeps are the answer to the issue of trying not to compare apples to oranges. So what they essentially did was created multiple periods (that last about 3 weeks now) throughout the year that essentially function like a farmers market for advertisers.

During this peroid each program puts forward its best programing. So that could mean having celebrity guest stars or the culmination of long story arcs, whatever. The strength of these peroids are what advertisers look at and completely set the price of local ad spots entirely. Though national ads weigh these against annual averages (though not of reruns.)

This allows them to evaluate each show at their best and is when the networks spend the bulk of their advertising budget to draw in potential new viewers.

[Destor]

For wrestling maybe you dust off an old legend for a special appearance or have a world title match on free tv. Perhaps blow off an angle of free tv. Maybe a gimmick match.

[#1-norm-fan]

There are just a large number of people who like that genre in general. A ton of the juggernaut TV shows are in the law/fire/med drama genre. It's been that way for decades. In the case of NCIS, it's been so long that people are just invested in it. You think 20 years is wild? Think about the soaps. Y&R has been running with the same characters since the 60s or something. People have watched their entire lives. Insane.

Old people. They don’t stream or go online or play video games or go out or fuck. They just watch the news, game shows and whatever reminds them of Matlock or In the Heat of the Night on traditional TV.

[Destor]

I love gameshows...fuck you norn fan :mad:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

One also sweeps with a broom.

[#1-norm-fan]

Hmm. My lady’s grandma is single. Just sayin’. I was gonna hook her up with Seph because of their shared need for soft foods but Destor may be in the lead now.

[Destor]

Hmm. My lady’s grandma is single. Just sayin’. I was gonna hook her up with Seph because of their shared need for soft foods but Destor may be in the lead now.i can totally eat applesauce while i watch jeopardy

[XL]

For wrestling maybe you dust off an old legend for a special appearance or have a world title match on free tv. Perhaps blow off an angle of free tv. Maybe a gimmick match.

Odd that WWE seem to have their main stuff for “Season Premieres” (for a show that doesn’t have any time off) and Drafts in October (or other non-sweep periods).

What are some things they’ve ran to specifically coincide with sweeps?

[Destor]

Looking at this past sweeps they had a title tourny for the bulk of it. Each week featuring some ppv level matches. Aj styles had an advertised return. Etc. Them running 52 live events a year is a big boon for advertisers though. You arent just paying for 22-26 weeks of heavy traffic instead you're paying for weekly mid sized traffic. There's something to be said for consistency.

[Destor]

Also worth noting that having a big roster shake up in oct means everything is fresh for nov sweeps

[Destor]

Another obvious one that slipped my mind: wrestle mania lead up is during sweeps

[XL]

Also worth noting that having a big roster shake up in oct means everything is fresh for nov sweeps

Even if it makes no sense in terms of the what they’ve done with Survivor Series for the majority of the last decade.

[Destor]

The entire ratings process doesnt make any sense in 2023 or 2013. Cant see any reason why the booking wouldnt be equally stupid, its the industry standard after all.

[xrodmuc316]

YOOOOOOO this Motherfucker really did get his Daddy to buy showbuzz daily just so he could shut it down and make his own fucking chart :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> was the #1 show on cable/satellite this Wednesday!<br>Check out the data below! <br><br>See you on TNT for the special 100th episode of<br>Friday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a><br>TONIGHT <br>+<br>Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting, and we have a huge night of wrestling on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> TOMORROW! <a href="https://t.co/gkitOkXTU4">pic.twitter.com/gkitOkXTU4</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1677381195129311232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That all important 25-54 demo LOL holy shitballs hahahaha

[Mr. Nerfect]

YOOOOOOO this Motherfucker really did get his Daddy to buy showbuzz daily just so he could shut it down and make his own fucking chart :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> was the #1 show on cable/satellite this Wednesday!<br>Check out the data below! <br><br>See you on TNT for the special 100th episode of<br>Friday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a><br>TONIGHT <br>+<br>Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting, and we have a huge night of wrestling on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> TOMORROW! <a href="https://t.co/gkitOkXTU4">pic.twitter.com/gkitOkXTU4</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1677381195129311232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That all important 25-54 demo LOL holy shitballs hahahaha

Holy fuck, you’re not lying. Where are the news shows?

[xrodmuc316]

Holy fuck, you’re not lying. Where are the news shows?

LOL where indeed

[xrodmuc316]

Collision Ratings...

https://i.imgflip.com/7s8jb6.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cumdorx

[Sepholio]

lolol

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m starting to think Destor was on the money when he said that if Collision does half of what Dynamite does, it’s the better show. 580k for Collision seems like a comparatively good number.

[Bad News Gertner]

Like AEW fans have anything to do on a Saturday night

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dynamite sucked, by the way. Something like 825k viewers.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> stays flat, under 600k<br><br>P2+: 579K - Flat vs. last week<br><br>18-49: 258K - Down 8% vs. last week<br>18-34: 81K - Down 24% vs. last week</p>&mdash; Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1681328533334007808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Staying flat is pretty good. Collision is a show I think could actually find an audience.

[Big Vic]

Like Wrestling fans have anything to do on a Saturday night

[xrodmuc316]

Collision Ratings...

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[xrodmuc316]

746,000 for NXT, Dom Dom drawing the house!

[xrodmuc316]

BLOOD & GUTS!!!!

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[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT gonna catch Dynamite.

[xrodmuc316]

Collision 417,000

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[Sepholio]

lmao that ones pretty good

[Sepholio]

NXT up to 778k. They keep going up and they'll overtake Dynamite soon.

I bet TK is plotting his next HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT. I'm sure it will be a GAME CHANGER.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H gonna win the marathon.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/7vuol6.jpg

476k :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Way closer to Dynamite than it should be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk getting the highest quarters of the night, with the show showing improvement in every quarter except for one drop-off. It’s obvious this show works better than Dynamite. Pretty sure you’d think they’d be getting Punk to run the Wednesday show in order to maintain their lead-in and possibly grow their numbers.

It’d be interesting to see what happened if The Elite got Saturdays. The show would obviously suck, but you might get more of that breed of smark at home and willing to follow them into the grave.

[Ruien]

I still don't understand why they have 3 weekly shows.

[Verbose Minch]

Punk getting the highest quarters of the night, with the show showing improvement in every quarter except for one drop-off. It’s obvious this show works better than Dynamite. Pretty sure you’d think they’d be getting Punk to run the Wednesday show in order to maintain their lead-in and possibly grow their numbers.

It’d be interesting to see what happened if The Elite got Saturdays. The show would obviously suck, but you might get more of that breed of smark at home and willing to follow them into the grave.

Love this idea. But could you imagine the fit the Elite would throw?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still don't understand why they have 3 weekly shows.

My guess is that Tony Khan needed an increase on his television revenue, but there wasn’t a reason for WBD to break the bank on retaining them without the promise of more content.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Love this idea. But could you imagine the fit the Elite would throw?

It almost makes the idea worth it on its own lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

482k for Collision

870k for Dynamite

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW probably gonna have a Bray Wyatt tribute show.

Another desperate attempt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bo Dallas better check over his shoulder. I wouldn’t put it past AEW to kill the whole family.

[XL]

Nonsense. Clear what’s happened here. WWE are so shook by AEW holding the biggest show of all time so they’ve killed Bray off to dent the spirits of the wrestling community.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s certainly easier than putting on a good product.

[xrodmuc316]

It is supposed to rain tomorrow in London. Tiny Khan about to cut a promo on God, TK will NOT TAKE THIS SHIT!!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s your scapegoat as to why the product presented under the tent sucks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

871k for Dynamite. This is both with a post and pre PPV bump.

[xrodmuc316]

HOLY SHIT!!!! After that biggest wrestling show ever that totally shows what a red hot product AEW is, they gained 1000 viewers from last week!!!!! They also went down .02 in the MUH DEMOS from last week, but what can you do?

All that matters is what place they finish in for the night anyways right, so...

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[drave]

obvs need more cm punk. he is their savior after all :|

[Mr. Nerfect]

obvs need more cm punk. he is their savior after all :|

You joke, but he is heads and shoulders the most significant performer they have. AEW continuously depriving fans of him is probably getting tiresome for them.

[xrodmuc316]

His show draws like 480,000 viewers, he is not important.

[Mr. Nerfect]

His show draws like 480,000 viewers, he is not important.

Put anyone else in that slot.

[xrodmuc316]

Put anyone else in that slot.

You are absolutely right. They could put literally anybody there, and they will not draw. That is exactly why there is no reason to be putting up with all the drama Phil causes.

[Destor]

If punk is off a few weeks youd have firms data as to what his role is in the draw.

[Destor]

I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.

[drave]

I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.




^


As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

^


As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

That’s not necessarily how it works.

[drave]

Nah, Destor is spot on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk doesn’t damage the image of the brand. He pulled them up. You can’t claim him having no credibility through UFC and then have a roster full of guys who look non-athletic and can’t throw a working punch.

Destor’s likely right in a general sense, but Punk obviously helped to a depth that WBD specifically wanted him around. The way internet fans interpret ratings isn’t anywhere near reflective of the true value some people have. Plus, people have now had a more sensible product with a star dangled in front of them. I was willing to give Collision a chance, for example. Now? Fuck em.

[drave]

Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

[Sting Fan]

CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is,



Perfectly encapsulates it all tbh.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Danielson was once my favorite wrestler. It pains me to say it, but the guy has fallen so hard. I think everyone wishes him the best and “respects” him in a general sense, but I don’t think there is any particular envy to be what he is. Maybe what he once was?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

This is just a really bad take overall.

[drave]

it isn't wrong tho. just looking at things from your "casual fan's" perspective of the on-screen product.


Danielson has a better mind than Punk, an it isn't even close. If he hadn't gone to AEW, youd still be stroking his balls

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, he doesn’t. At his peak, I may have preferred Danielson. But his ideas don’t stick and lack structure. And he’s too much Mick Foley and willing to put over Val Venis and Al Snow.

[drave]

They'll be fine and it kills you.

[XL]

I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

[drave]

Not when you're in AEW pal!


Get with it!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

It depends if it actually helps people or it’s too their detriment. We’re not talking about a guy feeding the starving orphans of the world here. It’s more that the guy doesn’t give a fuck about the overall quality of the product and just wants to go out and do whatever. It lacks substance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

887k for Dynamite

[drave]

RIP

[Ruien]

Does AEW pull a profit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does AEW pull a profit?

No one is sure for certain, but you’d think if they did, it’d be shouted from the rooftops. All their bragging is about individual gates. Tony isn’t out there talking about how profitable All In was, just that it was an $8 million gate or whatever.

[xrodmuc316]

They are not, it is not possible. How much did Tiny JUST spend on Metallica, Queen, and Europe songs? He doesn't just license the song for a one time use, he buys it in perpetuity for any and all replays. We already know Final Countdown is obscenely expensive. Metallica is the same deal. I don't know about Queen but I would imagine they aren't cheap either.

Whatever they took in from the gates of those 2 shows, when they are paying maybe 20% of the gates just to license songs, they are not fiscally sound.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They also sank the equivalent of a lot of countries’ GDPs into that video game.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’ll be interesting to see the ratings for next week. Becky Lynch is going to NXT to challenge for their Women’s Title and it’s seemingly created quite a stir.

[slik]

I blame Nia Jax


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw did 1.35 million/0.40. We all know why given the NFL number.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1701708396167360614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

I blame Nia Jax


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw did 1.35 million/0.40. We all know why given the NFL number.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1701708396167360614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WWE spends a year rehabbing Rhea's character under the leadership of Triple H.

Reports coming out that with the merger being completed Vince is more involved.

Vince immediately brings back and books Nia Jax to dominate Rhea and Raquel.

:?::n::fu:

[Mr. Nerfect]

That is an abysmal number.

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT about to do better numbers than Dynamite AND Raw.

[Splaya]

It's time for TKO to wake up. They claim that they would have no problem having Smackdown on any other night even though the title is "Friday Night Smackdown". I think it's time for them to also see that Raw is dying on Monday Nights and get it off that night too.

I would flip NXT and Raw. Raw would benefit from being on a different night, and most people won't care when NXT is on.

[xrodmuc316]

NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

Damn, that’s basically a draw any way you cut it. It’s unlikely Dynamite does much better or that much worse.

[Mr. Nerfect]

888k for Dynamite. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

855k for Dynamite.

[xrodmuc316]

800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't miss the west coast feed of Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> coming up on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> West<br>+ <br>Remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is on Tuesday next week 10/10 (my birthday), and it's the best card on Dynamite EVER for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitleTuesday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitleTuesday</a>!<br><br>See you later tonight on TBS West, + next Tuesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1709757456229044499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

IT'S THE BEST DYNAMITE CARD EVER!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!!!!!!

[Sepholio]

Holy shit. I figured they'd get a bump from Edge and they went down. Wow.

[Sepholio]

Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

[xrodmuc316]

Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

Watch next week head to head NXT beats Dynamite with the debut of CM Phil. Tiny will not take that shit anymore, his daddy has way more money than David Crockett's daddy :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Mr. Nerfect]

800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't miss the west coast feed of Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> coming up on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> West<br>+ <br>Remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is on Tuesday next week 10/10 (my birthday), and it's the best card on Dynamite EVER for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitleTuesday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitleTuesday</a>!<br><br>See you later tonight on TBS West, + next Tuesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1709757456229044499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s almost like the debut wasn’t good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It should be noted that Collision’s ratings are sinking. 327k this past week. The show dropped about 100k in viewers over the course of the show. Lots of excuses made about WWE competing against them (with NXT) but I’m not sure that explains people choosing to watch Collision then tune out. That seems like a quality of the show issue.

[rez]

Lol. ratings don't matter as long as they get the demo rating people like us.

[rez]

You know.. us that apologize to our clothing that we fell asleep and forgot to move them from the washer to the dryer...3 days sooner.

[XL]

Wow that Collision rating is really poor. Competing with Rampage?

[Verbose Minch]

Just saw the ratings for last night. Wrestling is so fucking dead lol. WWE pulled out every stop humanly possible and couldn't get a million. AEW pulled just over half a mil. It's literally just two retards fighting in the playground at this point.

[Sepholio]

Wrestling on tuesdays usually draws 800k lately, give or take. 1.53 million people watched collectively last night. Against playoff baseball. I don't know how your take away from that is that wrestling is dead.

[Verbose Minch]

Wrestling on tuesdays usually draws 800k lately, give or take. 1.53 million people watched collectively last night. Against playoff baseball. I don't know how your take away from that is that wrestling is dead.

I really don't think there's much crossover between the fanbase of MLB playoff baseball and wrestling fans. 1.53 million people watching with a bunch of commercial free time, multiple title shots, John Cena, Undertaker, etc is not good. Like at all lol

[weather vane]

Love when people say wrestling is dead.

[Sepholio]

You are literally on a message board where pretty much everyone that watches wrestling regularly also posts in the baseball thread daily. Not much crossover. lol k.

[Verbose Minch]

You are literally on a message board where pretty much everyone that watches wrestling regularly also posts in the baseball thread daily. Not much crossover. lol k.

A message board based on wrestling, which is also close to dead. Very good point

[Sepholio]

You're totally right. It's simply coincidence that the people who like baseball and wrestling are all that's left.

[Sepholio]

I don't care about baseball therefor no one else who likes wrestling cares about baseball either.

That's you. That's what you sound like.

[Verbose Minch]

I don't care about baseball therefor no one else who likes wrestling cares about baseball either.

That's you. That's what you sound like.

TPWW is not the amazing barometer of fandom you seem to think it is. Two blowout playoff games aren't the reason NXT only drew like 60k more viewers, and AEW lost 200k. Both companies hotshotted just about everything they could, and it didn't move the needle at all.

There's something on tv almost every night you could use to excuse current day ratings.

[xrodmuc316]

NXT also won in the demo, if demos still matter (we know they don't unless AEW can brag on it :rofl: ).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sports isn’t as big a factor with wrestling as once suspected. Wrestling impacts wrestling. NXT spanked them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT also won in the demo, if demos still matter (we know they don't unless AEW can brag on it :rofl: ).

Bingo.

[Verbose Minch]

Sports isn’t as big a factor with wrestling as once suspected. Wrestling impacts wrestling. NXT spanked them.

Especially given baseball's recent struggles with getting viewers itself. I could see game 7 of the NBA finals, or some of the marquee NFL games making a minor dent, but that's about the extent. Rasslin fans are generally stinky gleeborg nerds who aren't into sports, they just want to see Kenny Omega holding up a "heckin trans rights" sign and clap for Canadian destroyers

[#1-norm-fan]

Did they really have Cena and Taker show up on NXT? Jesus. Lol

That shit definitely should have hit a million.

[drave]

Did they really have Cena and Taker show up on NXT? Jesus. Lol

That shit definitely should have hit a million.

They had to, bruh. They herd that Title Twosday was on and was like


ERMERGERRRRD!!

Was their only option.











lol

[Splaya]

I really don't think there's much crossover between the fanbase of MLB playoff baseball and wrestling fans. 1.53 million people watching with a bunch of commercial free time, multiple title shots, John Cena, Undertaker, etc is not good. Like at all lol

Like everyone I know that watches wrestling is also big into other sports, especially baseball.

Is this Noid on a different name?

[Splaya]

Sports isn’t as big a factor with wrestling as once suspected. Wrestling impacts wrestling. NXT spanked them.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[xrodmuc316]

Gotta love the people mad that WWE used main roster stars on NXT to be unfair to AEW. Only AEW is allowed to use WWE main roster stars on their show!

Edge
Christian
Chris Jericho
Daniel Bryan
Paige

3 people who have main evented Wrestlemania, all 5 who were World Champs in FEDBAD. Couldn't beat Developmental, couldn't even get 65% of what hip toss school got. Classic Cultists lol

[drave]

why did they even bring taker and cena to nxt anyway? i legit dont know.


also, lol at anyone trying to compare those 5 names to taker OR cena, alone. Daniel Bryan is the only real notable name there. As great as he is, he's still nothing compared to cena or taker, IMO.

[xrodmuc316]

Why not, is WWE just supposed to roll over because AEW is on? Cena and Taker mixing it up with Bron and Melo only helps Bron and Melo.

Without using WWE Main Roster stars, would AEW even still be on TV? Maybe WWE loaded up the show to embarrass the idiot owner of AEW who personal takes cheap shots at WWE constantly. He called Shawn Michaels a bald asshole on Twitter, because Shawn books a wrestling show? You can bet your ass he would sign Shawn Michaels in a heartbeat if he could, just to tell Shawn what a great fan he is and to give him awkward hugs.

[drave]

So they pulled two of their biggest (former) stars "because AEW"?

[drave]

Also, I didn't think NXT/WWE needed to do anything at all because AEW is on?


Wrestling tribalism is fucking weird man. Weirder than TK on a coke binge.

[Sepholio]

It's weird that it's bad for WWE to use their old talent to boost ratings but AEW using old WWE talent is fine.

[Sepholio]

*insert fishing pole sounds here*

[drave]

It's weird that it's bad for WWE to use their old talent to boost ratings but AEW using old WWE talent is fine.

ahem.... "main roster stars" sir.

[Sepholio]

*more casting noises go here*

Still applies.

Hell we aren't even touching on AEW having to do a pre-show for a TV show and calling in legends from other promotions to boost it up. In fact the AEW pre-show was an ROH guy vs a NJPW guy. AEW wasn't even involved. That's pure desperation!

[drave]

wrasslin is dead, long live r-a-s-s-l-i-n

[Sepholio]

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[#1-norm-fan]

It's weird that it's bad for WWE to use their old talent to boost ratings but AEW using old WWE talent is fine.

Are people actually saying it was bad for WWE to do it or is this discussion stemming from a strawman born out of bad reading comprehension?

Personally, if either side is gonna use legends in this war, I’d rather see The Boogie Woogie Man shuck and jive, ya feel me my brotha?

[#1-norm-fan]

Why not bring back Marko Stunt just to see what kind of shapes Ron Garvin can twist him into? That’ll draw a million.

[xrodmuc316]

It's weird that it's bad for WWE to use their old talent to boost ratings but AEW using old WWE talent is fine.

Ding Ding Ding.

Nobody would have even brought that up if not for Tiny Khan and his minions acting like WWE had no right to book their own people on their own show.

I posted this in the cocaine thread, but is it any surprise how unaware the cultist are when their fearless leader is bragging about ending John Cena's and Undertaker's ratings streak?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This week, 2 active decades-long ratings streaks from 2 great legends were ended<br>With all due respect, until this week's head-to-head AEW on TBS vs WWE on USA, neither John Cena nor Undertaker had ever been on a WWE show with under 1 million total viewers + under 400k in the demo</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1712494953270522170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This motherfucker is more bitter than spoiled milk and vinegar

[Sepholio]

Are people actually saying it was bad for WWE to do it or is this discussion stemming from a strawman born out of bad reading comprehension?

Personally, if either side is gonna use legends in this war, I’d rather see The Boogie Woogie Man shuck and jive, ya feel me my brotha?

I dont think anyone here is saying it, but there is a metric shitload of people yammering on about it on social media.

My takeaway from that is that TPWW is smarter than the wider IWC for the most part.

[Splaya]

It was a good night of wrestling and there has been a great amount of discussion from it since.

I will say...if WWE had just run a normal NXT show (still using Dom and Becky as their respective champions) AND had still beat AEW, it might have been time for Tiny to hang it up.

[Sepholio]

Why not bring back Marko Stunt just to see what kind of shapes Ron Garvin can twist him into? That’ll draw a million.

No need to call back Stunt. Have him do it to Nick Wayne, Hook or Darby Allin.

[Sepholio]

Actually feed Jungle Jobber to the Hands of Stone too.

[Sepholio]

AEW should bring Magnum T.A. out of retirement for a match. That'll def boost ratings.

[drave]

It was a good night of wrestling and there has been a great amount of discussion from it since.

I will say...if WWE had just run a normal NXT show (still using Dom and Becky as their respective champions) AND had still beat AEW, it might have been time for Tiny to hang it up.

The end result would have been the same.


Why did they feel like they needed to though? Surely it isn't "because".

[#1-norm-fan]

AEW should bring Magnum T.A. out of retirement for a match. That'll def boost ratings.

Magnum TA has aged really well over the past 40 years but that’s only because he already looked 65 when he was 25.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like everyone I know that watches wrestling is also big into other sports, especially baseball.

Is this Noid on a different name?

Your anecdotal bullshit doesn’t change the numbers. The ratings lately have proven that sports doesn’t impact wrestling that much.

[xrodmuc316]

The end result would have been the same.


Why did they feel like they needed to though? Surely it isn't "because".

They probably just wanted to shut Tiny up, not realizing that spastic fuck would be celebrating NXT beating him by 300,000+ "because".

YEAH AEW IS SO GREAT WE STOPPED NXT FROM GETTING 400,000 MORE VIEWERS THAN US, WHICH MEANS THEY DID NOT GET A MILLION VIEWERS, WHICH IS NOT IMPORTANT FOR US SINCE WE HAVE NOT DONE IT 33 WEEKS IN A ROW, BUT FUCK BALD ASSHOLE SHAWN MICHAELS SO LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!!!

[Sepholio]

*insert TK tweet about Vince using his power to "shoot alot of shots" here*

[Verbose Minch]

Like everyone I know that watches wrestling is also big into other sports, especially baseball.

Is this Noid on a different name?

Go look at my replies, I generally critique Noid. Doesn't mean that he isn't right about this. Baseball is struggling with ratings on its own as is, and you're gonna tell me that the five or so unique posters in TPWW's baseball thread is major proof of the intersection between the two? Give your head a shake.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s just what the data tells us now. Collision gets smashed way worse when it goes up against WWE shows than anything to do with sports. That’s just the way it is.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

The shitstorm around AEW worked in their favor this week. Got 901k viewers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would be way funnier if numbers immediately dropped even without competition, but that meltdown is coming.

[xrodmuc316]

No Million, couldn't even beat the 921k MXT got last week. About time for Tiny to get another $10 million so from daddy so he could sign that game changer Mercedes Monaé!

Dad she is the legendary Sasha Banks! She will be the last piece I need to rule wrestling daddy, hurry get your checkbook!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should just be happy the bottom isn’t falling out. But they shouldn’t misread an increased rating as increased approval rating. The show sucks and it’s getting car wreck attention.

[Sepholio]

I bet Cardona, Ziggler and Johnny Curtis could get them over a milly.

[Sepholio]

That would unironically be a hell of a trio now that I think about it. Feels like they would mesh really well together.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Replace Cardona with another Johnny Curtis.

[xrodmuc316]

Tiny Khan is not gonna like this :rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://i.imgflip.com/83yj21.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s only so many weeks NXT can load up its show with NXT talent and…oh wait.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A lot of goobers are going to pretend that this isn’t a reflection on the quality of the product.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/83yn7d.gif

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao didn't NXT draw 787,000

[xrodmuc316]

Lmao didn't NXT draw 787,000

Yes, yes they did :yes:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, NXT beat them. Even hitting harder with younger audiences now.

[Sepholio]

TK in shambles