Ratings Thread

[xrodmuc316]

I read your posts. I don’t remember seeing you had him blocked. I have him blocked. And this is where his GOTCHAs have sunk to now. They’re not even about the actual subjects.

I can also see this piece of shit is still using words based on certain ableist language in 2022. Edgelords do that when they’re feeling insecure, lol. Listen to him cut a promo on you too. “Yesterday’s embarrassment…” Projection much?

He. Adds. Nothing. We’re over here trying to have a discussion about actual ratings (snarky or not), and he’s just looking to pick contrarian fights. Say we live on Earth and see what he says.

It was for a day in 2020, that is the WIN he is talking about :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Two proven liars trying really hard to excuse their lying shithead ways. Sad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was for a day in 2020, that is the WIN he is talking about :rofl:

Holy fucking shit. Psycho.

Has he actually been able to address what Seph pointed out about how obviously ridiculous it is to make it sound like WWE and AEW are on the level with their shots at one another?

[xrodmuc316]

Also, you having to basically acknowledge I outsmarted you again. Not that I’m bragging because again, it’s an INCREDIBLY easy thing to do.

If you really wanna get your heat back you should try quoting another old post where so praised John Cena. REALLY got me with that one.

LOL outsmarted me by MAKING me reply calling out your incorrect assumption that, and this part is important, that in 2022 I never said I had you on ignore, that you achieved no GOTCHA, and that you are STILL upset that I ignored you for a day in 2020 :rofl:

Yeah, ya really got me Fan, why dont you go on a Rep Rage again :wave:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can the bitch stay on topic or is he just trying to derail today’s embarrassment with ad hominem attacks at you?

[xrodmuc316]

Can the bitch stay on topic or is he just trying to derail today’s embarrassment with ad hominem attacks at you?

Take a WILD guess :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry to all the people who come into this thread for proper discussion, but there is an entertainment quality to #1-wwf-fan getting CM Punk’d again and again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My guess is that #1-wwf-fan is a little sad Raw gets better viewership than Dynamite and Rampage combined. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that it just comes down to him picking a side a long time ago and it not working out. BigCrippyZ just made himself invisible when the “Vince is going down!” trash talk was not going to fly.

#1-gormless-fanboy

[#1-norm-fan]

Say we live on Earth and see what he says.

I’d say you live in your own fantasy world. Case in point: This post you’re too much of a chicken shit to face…

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

Keep embarrassing yourself, bitch. We all know you’re pretending to ignore me because it’s the easiest way for you to avoid reality. Having to defend your dishonest bullshit when you get called on it is hard, isn’t it guys?

[xrodmuc316]

Having to defend your dishonest bullshit when you get called on it is hard, isn’t it guys?

You tell us, have you responded to Seph yet? :yes:

[#1-norm-fan]

LOL outsmarted me by MAKING me reply…

Correct. And look where you are now. That leap worked out well, didn’t it? ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

You tell us, have you responded to Seph yet? :yes:

Lol @ #fan calling anyone else dishonest. His whole thing is picking sides he doesn’t believe in to pick fights with people. And no. He won’t respond to Seph, lol. Don’t be ridiculous. That would require he actually has a discussion that doesn’t derail into insults because it isn’t going the way he wants.

[xrodmuc316]

Correct. And look where you are now. That leap worked out well, didn’t it? ;)

Guess not, but also, have you responded to Seph yet? :?:

Or are you just shitting up the thread with Weird and Obsessed outbursts?

[Mr. Nerfect]

He will not respond to Seph. He knows that was too ridiculous a stance even for him.

[#1-norm-fan]

You tell us, have you responded to Seph yet? :yes:

Yes. It was 2 posts after his post. Just after Noid began his desperate attempt to get his heat back and just before you. I know it may have gotten lost in the dipshit duo’s latest frenzy to try to save face but it’s not hard to go back and check before you ask a question in a smarmy manner.

[#1-norm-fan]

You tell us, have you responded to Seph yet? :yes:

Yes. It was 2 posts after his post.

He won’t respond to Seph, lol.

have you responded to Seph yet?

He will not respond to Seph..

Lol God, I would feel bad making fun of people this insanely dumb if they weren’t also so arrogant.

[xrodmuc316]

Lol God, I would feel bad making fun of people this insanely dumb if they weren’t also so arrogant.

Its cute how you think asking a sarcastic question is actually providing an answer whatsoever.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So how about those ratings?

[Sepholio]

Through the roof!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

match ratings or tv ratings? Because you deserve 6 stars, Seph. You're a Tokyo dome classic in my eyes.

[#1-norm-fan]

You guys should do a wrestling podcast and just yell at each other, would prob do decent views.

Honestly, I’d be down for this. Pretty sure it would just be me constantly questioning how Xrod was able to even turn on a computer though.

I'm available to edit/produce this rasslin podcast.

Seriously, let’s do this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is SmackDown the only show that’s holding up? Or is it also slipping?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m interested to see whether or not Roman Reigns being able to go between the two shows helps Raw or hurts SmackDown. I don’t think we’ve had enough time with it yet.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d just like to point out that I’ve thwarted Seph’s attempts at stirring the shit multiple times and now he succeeded without actually trying. Lol

[screech]

Re: ratings - I fucking hate the match rating/star system in recent WWE games. Just let me squash people in a "championship mode" to unlock other characters. Don't care to have a bunch of 5 star matches.

[screech]

Unrelated to TV ratings but fuck it

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

needed to be said. Thus, it was said.

[#1-norm-fan]

Re: ratings - I fucking hate the match rating/star system in recent WWE games. Just let me squash people in a "championship mode" to unlock other characters. Don't care to have a bunch of 5 star matches.

Jesus, is that really a thing? True to life I guess.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Unrelated to TV ratings but fuck it

This is just the Ratings Thread. It doesn’t specify which ratings.

That sounds like it would be an AEW feature (they made it a part of Omega’s actual on-air presentation for a while). I don’t hate the idea that you get rewarded in-game for the difficulty of execution or something. It’s not unworkable, but I can understand why it’s annoying.

[Destor]

Seph be like...

https://i.imgflip.com/6dze2l.gif

cant believe guys still do favors for him after this

[Sepholio]

lol that really is embarrassing. Holy shit.

[Destor]

this guy, who is a total bum btw, went out of his way to embrass punk and did it EFFORTLESSLY. and i really need to stress he's a complete bum. this is his 1 and only pro fight. he's a joke. was brought in specifically to job to punk in his home town to try and build him up.

[Destor]

ive never seen something so humiliating

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That one was worse than the first one by a country mile. It doesn’t hinder my enjoyment of Punk currently. But man that gif…

[Sepholio]

I'd never want to show my face in public again.

[#1-norm-fan]

That one was worse than the first one by a country mile. It doesn’t hinder my enjoyment of Punk currently. But man that gif…

Lol I don’t really have a problem with people who think his credibility in wrestling suffers because of his failure in MMA though. As long as they don’t also brush off other guys losing wrestling matches constantly because “wins and losses don’t matter”.

Either you think wrestling should be treated as a real combat sport, in which case losing in wrestling hurts your credibility just like losing in MMA or you’re fine with it not being treated as a real combat sport, in which case losing “real fights” don’t hurt your credibility.

[Mr. Nerfect]

this guy, who is a total bum btw, went out of his way to embrass punk and did it EFFORTLESSLY. and i really need to stress he's a complete bum. this is his 1 and only pro fight. he's a joke. was brought in specifically to job to punk in his home town to try and build him up.

:lol:

It really is bad. Like…that shouldn’t happen in a pro fight. People say it shouldn’t matter what happened in UFC, but how can you know that about Punk and still invest in him trying to be Bret Hart serious and suspend your disbelief?

[Jordan]

Bret Hart would actually fuck CM Punk up in a real fight.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bam Bam Bigelow got absolutely smashed by Kimo Leopoldo in a fight. He basically rolled around on the ground like a beached manatee.

[drave]

Most wrasslers wouldn't make it to the end of a round. Some because they'd be too winded by the halfway point, others because they simply wouldn't "know how".


Too different.

[screech]

Jesus, is that really a thing? True to life I guess.

Yes. You earn these tokens to "buy" certain rasslers to use. And you have to have competitive matches to get a better star rating to earn more tokens per match.

I hate it.

[drave]

This is just the Ratings Thread. It doesn’t specify which ratings.

That sounds like it would be an AEW feature (they made it a part of Omega’s actual on-air presentation for a while). I don’t hate the idea that you get rewarded in-game for the difficulty of execution or something. It’s not unworkable, but I can understand why it’s annoying.


Sadly, it's been in the past 4-5 iterations of WWE games. It is shit. I've not bought one since Flair was the collectors edition though. Have a replica HOF ring of his and a plaque with a piece of his robe from one of the many he wore to the ring kinda like this


https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/thumb_IMG_E5831_1024.jpg

[screech]

I like the game in general, but just...reward me for squashing someone in a few minutes too. I don't care if the in-game fans think the match was "boring." I get that aspect for MyGM mode, but for a regular exhibition match it's dumb as fuck.

[screech]

I bought the deluxe edition for 2k18. I have no idea why I did because I didn't get any sort of collectible thing.

I did, however, preorder WWE 2k16 solely because The Terminator was the bonus. No regrets on that one.

[xrodmuc316]

Bret Hart would actually fuck CM Punk up in a real fight.

I am pretty sure ANYBODY would fuck CM Punk up in a real fight, and that is the problem. It is not JUST that he lost MMA fights, it is how embarrassingly bad he lost those fights. Pair that with him still trying to act like he is a badass, and being virtually unbeatable in pro wrestling, it is just eyerolling. His first promo telling Darby the most dangerous place to be is in a ring with CM Punk, like OHHHNO how will Darby survive the dude that couldn't even stop Mike Jackson from tickling him in a fight??

It is more believable that Wee Man was actually able to beat up Sami Zayn than it is Punk being able to beat up anybody.

[xrodmuc316]

Most wrasslers wouldn't make it to the end of a round. Some because they'd be too winded by the halfway point, others because they simply wouldn't "know how".


Too different.

Many Pro Wrestlers have an actual athletic background, and would hold their own. Certainly they would be more successful after training in MMA for 3 years.

Not much into Rogan's politics, but here is a good accounting of CM Punk's ability.

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[drave]

An athletic background =/= an mma background. I'm not defending Punk at all here, I believe a lot of other wrasslers would end up the same way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I would surmise only an actual combat background would really help. IMO the best base is amateur wrestling (at a high level). That way you can grab hold and beat someone up. Because even if you've got high-level Muay Thai, most MMA fighters will just drag your ass to the ground.

[drave]

Exactly that.


It's great if you can deadlift a lot of weight, but to do it from a position where leverage comes into play while being made into a slinky, it's a different kinda weight.


There's a word for it, but I can't remember what it's called. "functional" training or some shit like that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Either way, if someone excels at the art of pro wrestling to the level that Punk does, I’m not gonna reject it because he’s not a REAL fighter.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Either way, if someone excels at the art of pro wrestling to the level that Punk does, I’m not gonna reject it because he’s not a REAL fighter.

Yeah. Like I wish he didn't because of all the toxic bullshit out there. But it seemed to make him happy, and he's still making millions to wrestle. So how much did it really hurt him other than there being a few embarrassing gifs?

[#1-norm-fan]

It probably made him more happy before he was getting punched in the face a lot, but yeah. He tried to make a living outside of the toxic atmosphere of WWE while WWE was the only real game in town in the field he worked his whole life to excel in.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If he was getting blasted by jobbers, I can only imagine what the high-level guys he was training with did to him.

The one thing we can take from his fights is he can take some punishment. Although I don't think he was aiming for the Homer Simpson approach to fighting.

[Destor]

An athletic background =/= an mma background. I'm not defending Punk at all here, I believe a lot of other wrasslers would end up the same way.
thats true today. it wouldnt be true 25 years ago

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6e4f6w.jpg

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6e4guo.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

I believe a lot of other wrasslers would end up the same way.

thats true today. it wouldnt be true 25 years ago

Absolutely. Go back another 10 years and it’s even more true.

Speaking of: The TPWW Thursday Night Watch-Along returns tonight!

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6e7gbn.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://i.imgflip.com/6e7gbn.jpg

:lol:

Punk wouldn’t have made it past Boxcar Fred, let alone Boxcar Ira.

[Bad News Gertner]

921,000 viewers.

Classic Wrestling night is about to outdraw AEW

[ron the dial]

it IS tracy smothers appreciation night

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

921,000 viewers.

Classic Wrestling night is about to outdraw AEW

Well, we actually have mainstream appeal--so it's an unfair comparison.

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't wait for a night full of Tracy Smothers gyrations

[ron the dial]

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[Bad News Gertner]

The FBI were so fucking great. I've said this before but they are the best thing about late 97/early 98 ECW. Hands down.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tommy Rich declaring the FBI the World 6 man Champions after beating the Freebirds lmao. His "too many headshots" gimmick was so fucking funny.

[ron the dial]

ok gertner i want to get back into my ecw watch. where should i jump in to get to what you'd consider the start of the good shit? i don't remember exactly where i left off. sometime in early 94 i think.

[#1-norm-fan]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

921,000 viewers.

Classic Wrestling night is about to outdraw AEW

Shitty wrestling draws shitty ratings. I’d say news at 6, but AEW fans would blame that for cutting into their number.

[#1-norm-fan]

We doing that “this week last year” ratings comparison that’s been really important the past couple weeks now or nah?

[Bad News Gertner]

ok gertner i want to get back into my ecw watch. where should i jump in to get to what you'd consider the start of the good shit? i don't remember exactly where i left off. sometime in early 94 i think.

Spring of 95

[Mr. Nerfect]

With ad rates probably being low for a show with its 18-49 demo and the content they air, it would really surprise me to see AEW renewed at this point. Which executive wants to be at the head of a network when the audience all has birthdays and you now don’t have any particular demo of interest?

WBD can get more out of airing Big Bang reruns than housing AEW. They’ve only got themselves to blame.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good news though! They’re up in terms of viewership YoY! They got 889k last year. :lol:

Sorry, the schadenfreude is just too nice.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s basketball’s fault this year.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol Couldn’t think of any good bullshit after hyping the importance of YoY the past couple weeks. Beautiful.

Bury away.

[xrodmuc316]

We doing that “this week last year” ratings comparison that’s been really important the past couple weeks now or nah?

It was important to AEW for 52 weeks, wonder what changed the last few weeks...

[Bad News Gertner]

ok gertner i want to get back into my ecw watch. where should i jump in to get to what you'd consider the start of the good shit? i don't remember exactly where i left off. sometime in early 94 i think.

Watch from spring 95 till Barly Legal 97. It goes downhill fast after their first ppv. 98 and 99 are atrocious

[xrodmuc316]

921,000 viewers.

Classic Wrestling night is about to outdraw AEW

https://i.imgflip.com/6e8wxo.jpg

[Sepholio]

I wonder if AJ has an opening for a real man on the side.

[#1-norm-fan]

OHHHHHHH LAWWWWDD!!!! WHERE IS THE GROWTH????? WHAT HAPPENED YASUMBITCHES??????

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite ratings: 977,000 viewers; 0.38 in 18-49<br>Year over year, down 19.9% and 15.9% respectively.<br>This is the first week it's being compared to a week where NXT wasn't head to head.</p>&mdash; Paul Fontaine (@PaulAceFontaine) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulAceFontaine/status/1514697898562310145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Excited to hear your totally fair and balanced assessment in a couple weeks when it’s up over the previous year.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wonder if AJ has an opening for a real man on the side.

She seems to have a thing for missing teeth. Just sayin’…

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was important to AEW for 52 weeks, wonder what changed the last few weeks...

You have to wait for them to hit a really disappointing low to do the YoY and gloat about growth. :lol:

Can’t wait for the preempted Dynamites to come along and be used comparatively.

[xrodmuc316]

You have to wait for them to hit a really disappointing low to do the YoY and gloat about growth. :lol:

Can’t wait for the preempted Dynamites to come along and be used comparatively.

Right, my bad :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

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[Sepholio]

You know the inverse of that argument requires an equivalent amount of mental gymnastics, right? LOVE YOU

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m not making the inverse of that argument.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I presume #1-xrod-bitch is flexing to show off why he is the king of gym. :lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

Nah. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy. You pretending to ignore me doesn’t cancel it out. No matter how much you desperately reply to my posts “without actually reading them” to try to force your own narrative. Keep landing on your face and fantasizing you’re killing it, buddy.

[Jordan]

It's okay, Meltzer said that AEW is worth $400+ million a this point. If the mega merger does turn on AEW like it did WCW, AEW still has a lot of options. There are other networks that are hungry for AEW and content that hovers around a million viewers a week.

Since TNT was expecting AEW to cover the 700k mark, they likely aren't in "dire straights" with the current numbers they are getting. I personally know plenty of AD execs and TV rights lawyers and they are always messaging me that AEW is one of the hotter topics on the TV rights law forums and also the content demo forums, AEW a big hit there too.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Impact kept finding its way to TV despite getting worse and worse numbers. The idea that a new wrestling program with Tom’s of money behind it, regularly pulling around 1 million viewers a week, is somehow doing bad, and doesn’t have a future, it’s just silly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's okay, Meltzer said that AEW is worth $400+ million a this point. If the mega merger does turn on AEW like it did WCW, AEW still has a lot of options. There are other networks that are hungry for AEW and content that hovers around a million viewers a week.

Since TNT was expecting AEW to cover the 700k mark, they likely aren't in "dire straights" with the current numbers they are getting. I personally know plenty of AD execs and TV rights lawyers and they are always messaging me that AEW is one of the hotter topics on the TV rights law forums and also the content demo forums, AEW a big hit there too.

It’s not the number you get, it’s the money you bring in. Meltzer has been hinting that is lower than desirable. BBT reruns or new sports properties would do better in the slots.

[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

New Japan got 46k viewers and scored a 0.00 in the 18-49 demo.

[Sepholio]

Damn I figured they'd be pulling double or triple those number honestly.

[Destor]

who carries that

[XL]

New Japan got 46k viewers and scored a 0.00 in the 18-49 demo.

Oof.

[Mr. Nerfect]

who carries that

AXS, the channel owned by Anthem, who also own Impact Wrestling.

[Destor]

no one has that channel...

[Destor]

well more accurately no one who has that channel knows they have that channel

[Mr. Nerfect]

well more accurately no one who has that channel knows they have that channel

I’ve heard that. Still a bizarrely embarrassing number. It’ll be interesting to see how this AEW PPV hurts/helps them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

SmackDown: 1.953 million

Rampage: 464k

[XL]

Oof.

[XL]

<2M for SmackDown

[#1-norm-fan]

What’s the YoY though?

[screech]

lol didn't CyNick go on and on about Walking Dead YoY in this thread to compare it to RAW or something?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What’s the YoY though?

1.87m

5 years ago they were average 3m viewers a week on Mondays. Sad.

[xrodmuc316]

Year over Year only mattered that 52 weeks when AEW no longer had to compete with NXT, because they could trick all the dumdums into believing they were growing their audience. Now since that variable no longer has that benefit, well YoY is an old metric that doesn't matter. That will be $11.99

[Mr. Nerfect]

Give me 464k viewers over 1.58 mil any day! Right boys?!

[Destor]

its plausible these two meet in the middle in the next 5 years

[Sepholio]

Yeesh. RAW drawing more than all AEW programming combined.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

its plausible these two meet in the middle in the next 5 years

I could see it. And it'll be kind of sad--just given how little people watch wrestling--but also sort of fun.

[#1-norm-fan]

I give it less than 5 years

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm just depressed that there'll never be a mainstream boom again. It was nice to share my wrestling love with other people.

I was listening to Konnan and Disco the other day (lolol a guilty pleasure, leave me alone) and K-Dawg brought up how everything is sort of niche these days. So, it's not like society is in a position to embrace wrestling as a mainstream juggernaut ever again--other issues with modern pro wrestling aside.

[Bad News Gertner]

There's 28 million Peacock subscribers. Combined that with the 1.6-.1.8 million they draw on USA and you could argue that 30 million people watch Raw every Monday Night. It's very plausible.

[Jordan]

You can't watch Raw on Peacock for at least a month after it airs.

[Destor]

id like to hear the peacock numbers. 30 million would be a cultural phenomenon so i doubt its that high but streaming numbers are real where as neilson is total guess work

[Bad News Gertner]

You can't watch Raw on Peacock for at least a month after it airs.

That's why they only draw 1.6 million. The other 28 million are waiting to watch it on Peacock.

[Bad News Gertner]

So really, RAW does 30x the ratings Dynamite does

[Destor]

:lol:

[screech]

The math is in: time to close this thread

[Sepholio]

I think its more likely RAW would drop in the ratings down to AEWs level rather than AEW coming up to meet them in the middle. AEW has been fairly stable in the ratings for a bit now but they haven't shown any signs of meaningful growth in quite a while and I don't see any signs indicating thats going to change any time soon.

[Sepholio]

Obviously not counting streaming metrics in this equation. No idea what WWEs numbers for streaming actually are and it's quite possible AEW has a streaming presence in the near future.

[XL]

I'm just depressed that there'll never be a mainstream boom again. It was nice to share my wrestling love with other people.

I was listening to Konnan and Disco the other day (lolol a guilty pleasure, leave me alone) and K-Dawg brought up how everything is sort of niche these days. So, it's not like society is in a position to embrace wrestling as a mainstream juggernaut ever again--other issues with modern pro wrestling aside.

“It’s cyclical”.

Just gotta keep waiting.

[XL]

Also, not everything is niche, that’s a cop out.

Remember a few years ago when comic books and comic book culture was just for nerds and Marvel was about to go under? Now they produce the biggest movies of all time. How did they do this? They had a vision (and a Hulk) of what they wanted the brand to look like, and they built a catalogue of (mostly) stellar content that drew people in from all walks of life to engage with their content.

[XL]

Game of Thrones is another one. On paper that’s not got mainstream appeal in the slightest. Quasi-medieval politics with wizards, and dragons, and ice zombies thrown in? Nah. It takes quality to punch through to become a mainstream cultural phenomenon.

Well, not always, there is the Kardashians.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Some things will sneak through, no doubt. Just today, more things are nice than they ever were because of content is so specifically catered. And Game of Thrones--relative to today's fast-paced climate--came out a long time ago...nothing has been that big of a phenomenon since. Not even Marvel, where the movies will create buzz--as most big budget productions will--but the TV shows don't nearly carry as much weight.

Also, lol, "it's cyclical" doesn't really hold weight when wrestling hasn't been mainstream in over 20 years. Think about how long it took to get from the Hogan era to the attitude era. Even in 1990, the product was still mainstream. It only took until 1996 for the nWo to get popular. It's not going to ever happen again--ratings have steadily declined all those years and show no signs of going the other way.

Wrestling just doesn't have the oomph it once did and the stories it tells aren't relevant to most people. It's either like WWE where it appeals only to the lowest common denominator and is total dreck, or it's AEW, and you only understand WTF is going on if you're a big wrestling nerd.

[drave]

More like Game of Bones


or GOT - Great ole Titties


that's why it was so popular.

[Destor]

Also, not everything is niche, that’s a cop out.
its really not. the entire nature of celebrity has completely changed, especially for modern youths. in times past the celebrities were culturally constant. brad pitt was a celebrity. period. doesnt matter if youre 8 or 80 youre at the very least aware of who the guy is.


now, through various apps and the nature of phones in general (pocket universes private to the individual,) you have personalised celebrity. a kid sees kit boga on the street and loses his mind but absolutely no one but that 1 person has ever been exposed to the content even in the smallest way.


and we arent inundated with marketing that cross pollinates these mini celebrities either. the twitch, YouTube and tick tok star doesnt advertise after all and to bring this convo back home wrestling doesnt buy ad time all that often either. personally i pay to skip ads on every device that offers the service.


so we're insulated in our niche fandoms from other niche fandoms. each man carrying along according to his tastes oblivious to any "celebrities" outside of their own purview and this is a pretty fresh reality. its not been this way since the advent of technology that allowed natational marketing. and even then celebrity status was atleast regional. now its almost designer celebrity.

[Sepholio]

wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener
floppy floppy, floppy wiener, dangle dangle, floppy wieners
one wiener next to yet another wiener
wiener party, party wiener, wiener party, party wiener

[Sepholio]

goddamnit Destor

[Sepholio]

Didnt just post block me but bumped me to the next page. What an asshole. How dare you? How absolutely dare you? Outrageous.

[Destor]

now my thougjtful contribution is lost on the last page never to be seen by the eyes of man

[Destor]

PRETTY NICHE POST I GUESS

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

More like Game of Bones


or GOT - Great ole Titties


that's why it was so popular.

Game Of Chodes

[slik]

The last week has been rough in tv ratings:

SD - 1.95 million
RAW - 1.58 million
Dynamite - 833k
Rampage - 464k

[Mr. Nerfect]

833k for Dynamite. Ouch.

[XL]

833k for Dynamite. <s>Ouch</s> Oof.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6f34pq.gif

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, RAW doing 30.5 times the rating Dynamite does

[Sepholio]

Raw and Smackdown combined doing 90x what Dynamite and Rampage are. Rip.

[Sepholio]

AEW winning in the easily amused demographic though!

[xrodmuc316]

Nobody tell Fan they were down 23% year over year, cause it only matters on weeks they didn't shit the bed :lol:

https://i.imgflip.com/6f34pq.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

Nah. YoY is you and Noid’s thing. Haven’t seen it mentioned here outside of making fun of you for it. You seem to be confused by the written word. Wanna talk about it?

[xrodmuc316]

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[ron the dial]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[#1-norm-fan]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Nobody tell Fan they were down 23% year over year, cause it only matters on weeks they didn't shit the bed :lol:

https://i.imgflip.com/6f34pq.gif

Holy shit. There are some things that need addressing on their end.

[XL]

its really not. the entire nature of celebrity has completely changed, especially for modern youths. in times past the celebrities were culturally constant. brad pitt was a celebrity. period. doesnt matter if youre 8 or 80 youre at the very least aware of who the guy is.


now, through various apps and the nature of phones in general (pocket universes private to the individual,) you have personalised celebrity. a kid sees kit boga on the street and loses his mind but absolutely no one but that 1 person has ever been exposed to the content even in the smallest way.


and we arent inundated with marketing that cross pollinates these mini celebrities either. the twitch, YouTube and tick tok star doesnt advertise after all and to bring this convo back home wrestling doesnt buy ad time all that often either. personally i pay to skip ads on every device that offers the service.


so we're insulated in our niche fandoms from other niche fandoms. each man carrying along according to his tastes oblivious to any "celebrities" outside of their own purview and this is a pretty fresh reality. its not been this way since the advent of technology that allowed natational marketing. and even then celebrity status was atleast regional. now its almost designer celebrity.

This is one of the most insightful posts in a long time. You know you can just post memes that you find on other platforms, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a good post, but I don’t think it’s 100% true. Certain things do have crossover appeal. If you play trivia, some things are considered general knowledge enough that the onus is kind of on you to know them. But yes, the evolution of media has definitely crafted a “designer celebrity.” That’s a great term for it.

[Destor]

its not absolute, not yet any way. but >40 general celebrity is skewing in this "dsigner celebrity" trend and hard. right now we have the marvel films as a cultural water cooler but that has a shelf life, theaters in general have one in my opinion but thats a seperate conversation altogether, we are heading in a more and ever more niche trajectory with no signs of turning back.

[XL]

A recent episode of the Strictly Business with Eric Bischoff podcast had NBC Universal Studios Group Business Affairs Manager Mik Pandit as the guest. One of the topics discussed included Pandit’s thoughts on AEW’s television ratings on TNT and TBS.

“I think that is a huge advantage for them. This is not revealing anything internal but NBCU Executives have been very clear with how pleased they are with the WWE’s drive of subscribers to the Peacock platform. Part of the advantage for WWE is there are new events each month, yes but then two, arguably three or four times a year, they have these big events. Your WrestleManias, the upcoming supershow in the UK, Saudi events that drive consumers who might not have been subscribed to say I have to watch this.

They’re loyal, they want to see new content. Is a baseline of a million viewers something Tony can sell as an advantage for him? Yes, the question is what is the price he’s going to get for that? Now as we see more consolidation in the industry and their partnership primarily with WarnerMedia that’s being run by Discovery Executives, not Warner Executives, from all intensive purposes from what we have seen and I don’t know anyone in that organization, but they’re going to run a much leaner and meaner business than Warner had planned on running. Now does that mean AEW is going to get the kind of live rights media fees that they would’ve gotten a couple of years ago? I don’t know the answer to that but I think the advantage for AEW is that even at an increase to what they’re currently getting paid which is around 40-45 million a year, it’s still probably cheaper than scripted programming.”

Pandit also gave his thoughts about the potential of AEW signing a streaming deal with HBO Max in the future.

“I don’t know Nick Khan but he was making this point repeatedly. That we were seeing what they call peak subscription or subscription fatigue when it comes to streaming service. Five years ago when there was Netflix and the WWE Network, it was great, you pay $10 and you get all the wrestling in the world. Now HBO Max is $15 a month, Disney Plus is $10 a month, Netflix is probably $17 a month, and Paramount is $10, there are many other products even outside of entertainment consumption that are subscription-based.

You’re getting to a point to where justifying paying $10 a month just for wrestling content is going to be very difficult for all but the most hardcore of consumers. Somebody who probably watches wrestling one out of every three pay-per-views probably wouldn’t. AEWs advantage is they have on average 1 million linear cable viewers week to week. Most of those people probably have access to an HBO Max so I would imagine it’s more valuable for HBO Max to have that content on HBO Max so they can grow their subscription base and retain it. Of those 1 million AEW fans, if let’s say half of them subscribe to HBO Max, that’s a solid 400,000 fans and subscribers who are going to drop off at a lower rate than your average subscriber.”

[XL]

2 things I took away from this:

1) “all intensive purposes” :lol:

2) FEDBAD

[XL]

Am I doing it right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

A deal with some sort of sporting/live event streaming service with Warner would be optimal for them. I cannot see the HBO Max deal making that much sense for either side, outside of maybe one or two specials a year.

AEW gets 900k viewers with a cable base of 90 million people. A streaming service that has 75 million or whatever is probably going to get considerably less. You could argue that people more actively engage with OTT services these days, but it’s reasonable to expect a couple of hundred thousand people to tune in. Is this going to drive up subscription numbers notably? Is it worth forking out tens of millions of dollars for?

The TNT specials that have been thrown away on Battle of the Belts would have been good auditions for this sort of programming. If they could have gotten spikes notably higher than Dynamite, it may have been something to take into negotiations with Warner about. They could have done Winter is Coming, Fight for the Fallen and maybe another show on HBO Max every year.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Condense your fucking posts, Noid.

[Destor]

an in app ad banner on hbomax could go a long way. thats better than the average tv ad spot by miles

[Jordan]

AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.

[Sepholio]

Yes Jordan, join us on the dark side. It is your destiny.

[xrodmuc316]

Remember when AEW's entire business model was "don't worry, our next TV deals will be for $200 million a year, so LFG!!!!!!!!!!".

Now they are all "hey Warner Discovery loves us, they will surely keep us on for only $45 million a year, its such a good deal, so LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

[Damian Rey 2.0]

AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.

Pretty sure during good TNT title run Darby pulled out a few 1 million viewers when her main evented.

But I agree with what you’re saying in general. The main event should be for the top top guys. Punk, Hangman, Jericho, MJF and Wardlow have the biggest angles running. Those are the guys who should be closing out Dynamite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

an in app ad banner on hbomax could go a long way. thats better than the average tv ad spot by miles

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is falling victim to diversity moves. Putting on women and talents that check certain boxes into main events just because it's time. Well for me I can't remember seeing Deana Purazzo before in my life and couldn't give a shit about a main event involving her if I had to.

Sammy Guevera is not a main event guy, yet he's closed more Dynamite's than anyone except maybe Darby, who also is not a great main eventer but continually closes Dynamite.

Scorpio Sky is not a main event talent and yet continually gets put to close Dynamite.

AEW's ratings are stalled because they keep forcing main events down our throat that taste like midcard. Tony so badly wants to be fair that it's stalling them out from progress.

Diversity isn’t a bad thing. But you can have talented and established talent take those spots. No one really complaints about Bianca Belair or Bobby Lashley being in their spots because they aren’t token spots. WWE has actually done a lot of good work in normalizing women and men from diverse ethnic backgrounds into pretty meaningful roles within the company.

Some of the women in AEW might be talented, but Mercedes Martinez and Deanna Purrazzo have not “earned” that spot yet. Hell, ROH hasn’t earned that spot within the company yet. Why is another promotion’s belt being defended in the main event of Dynamite? Some people just want to watch what they nominated to watch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW botching getting Danielson is so similar to WCW getting Bret Hart and not knowing what to do with him. In my opinion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The overnight number for Rampage, which will probably increase, is 319k. Compare that to the third hour of Raw. Fucking yikes.

If Kathleen Finch is looking for reasons to get wrestling off TNT and TBS, Rampage failing is a good way to make it “their fault.” That and some of their content for morality purposes. But I remember the $45 million deal AEW signed being for Dynamite and what would become Rampage. If Rampage underperforms and AEW isn’t living up to their end of the bargain in generating viewers—WBD probably has a very clear path to cancelling their asses.

Rampage getting that death slot may have always been a planned out for Warner if the time ever came for it.

[xrodmuc316]

The overnight number for Rampage, which will probably increase, is 319k. Compare that to the third hour of Raw. Fucking yikes.

If Kathleen Finch is looking for reasons to get wrestling off TNT and TBS, Rampage failing is a good way to make it “their fault.” That and some of their content for morality purposes. But I remember the $45 million deal AEW signed being for Dynamite and what would become Rampage. If Rampage underperforms and AEW isn’t living up to their end of the bargain in generating viewers—WBD probably has a very clear path to cancelling their asses.

Rampage getting that death slot may have always been a planned out for Warner if the time ever came for it.

Why doesn't Tony just tell Warner when he wants his shows to air? That is how it works right? AEW has been telling us for years WWE only kept airing show on Wednesdays because Vince told USA Network he wanted to hurt poor widdle ole AEW, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when TK tweeted that he chose the Rampage slot? Like anyone chooses Friday at 10 for their TV.

I also love it when people suggest the show gets a 7pm time slot instead. TK didn’t choose to go on at this time. He doesn’t have the weight or leverage to promote his show when it is underperforming as it is.

[XL]

The overnight number for Rampage, which will probably increase, is 319k. Compare that to the third hour of Raw. Fucking yikes.

If Kathleen Finch is looking for reasons to get wrestling off TNT and TBS, Rampage failing is a good way to make it “their fault.” That and some of their content for morality purposes. But I remember the $45 million deal AEW signed being for Dynamite and what would become Rampage. If Rampage underperforms and AEW isn’t living up to their end of the bargain in generating viewers—WBD probably has a very clear path to cancelling their asses.

Rampage getting that death slot may have always been a planned out for Warner if the time ever came for it.

Does a broadcaster have to be so Machiavellian as to have purposefully planned to pay for extra content only to air it in a bad timeslot so that they have a reason to dump the show? Can’t they just go “nah, we don’t want it anymore and we don’t even need to justify it”?

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, the other option was that they gave AEW a new weekly show and a bunch of TV specials because they were pleased with what they were already getting and wanted more.

And THAT can’t possibly be the case so... elaborate sabotage.

[Destor]

i cant take the idea "we like you here's a friday slot" too seriously. more like "here's the worst slot we have. if you can make this work we'll talk."

[xrodmuc316]

The one thing I feel pro wrestling really can't get away with anymore is taped shows. We saw it with last week's Smackdown, and we see it with the majority of Rampage episodes. If the wrestling is not a live show, the ratings are significantly lower.

Yes the 10:00pm timeslot is never going to get a large audience, but at least the live episodes get an additional 150-200k more viewers. The problem is that it is hard to justify renting out a 2nd arena for a 1 hour show, and the ad rate difference between 500,000 and 350,000 viewers is likely not very different.

It is cost effective to tape everything on the same night, but when they base so much of their bragging rights on ratings, it does hurt their case when they are doing much lower than they could do by not running Rampage live every week.

[XL]

True. Rampage was a bad idea altogether. Too much, too soon.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i cant take the idea "we like you here's a friday slot" too seriously. more like "here's the worst slot we have. if you can make this work we'll talk."

Yeah, it was most likely a “fuck it, see if wrestling nerds follow you into this” scenario.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Does a broadcaster have to be so Machiavellian as to have purposefully planned to pay for extra content only to air it in a bad timeslot so that they have a reason to dump the show? Can’t they just go “nah, we don’t want it anymore and we don’t even need to justify it”?

Sure, they could always cancel it without justification. Wrestling fans are an educated and understanding lot. Having justification is always nice though. But that’s always a game of perception. They could use low ratings or morality, as I said. It’s just fun stirring up the apologists.

I don’t put it past broadcasters to be Machiavellian at all though. But it was likely a crapshoot because they had to give them a slot and gave them the worst one to see if it could turn empty space into something. And that got a big, fat foghorn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

True. Rampage was a bad idea altogether. Too much, too soon.

It stunk of WCW Thunder.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Something else I’ll throw out there: Kevin Riley made the deal with AEW, right? We’ve been led to believe it was for the two shows with an ad revenue split. I don’t know how that’s changed over time with the TNT specials being thrown into the mix, but Brett Weiz would end up taking Riley’s place at some point. It’s definitely possible that buyer’s remorse or some form of passive aggressiveness coming out of the shakeups has informed how AEW is programmed too.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

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Holy shit…

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW fanboys are predictably quiet on this one.

[slik]

1.65 million for RAW

[Mr. Nerfect]

Great number compared to AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

Great number compared to AEW.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Punk draws attention at first, then he loses it. This has been the pattern since 2011.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.65 million for RAW

To clarify, the first hour of Raw got 1.73 million viewers. The second got 1.63 mil. The third hour got 1.593 mil viewers.

If you want to compare third hours of each company’s programming outside of prime time, Rampage got 292k. Granted, it was out of its usual time slot. That’s because it’s not important, but nevertheless. If you’re someone who pays attention to Meltzer’s bullshit about demo — Raw’s third hour got 0.43 compared to Rampage’s 0.11. Raw actually increased over the third hour.

*Farts*

[slik]

NXT @ #51 with 533k

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT is closer to Dynamite than Dynamite is to the third hour of Raw.

[Jordan]

Next person to post in this thread is gay!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh hey guys

[Jordan]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[slik]

Dynamite was no match this week for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, coming in at #5


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[Bad News Gertner]

Ouch. 2000 WCW Worldwide called. They'd like their ratings back

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ouch. 2000 WCW Worldwide called. They'd like their ratings back

Honest question: Worldwide would have done better numbers, no?

[Bad News Gertner]

Worldwide was syndicated so probably

[Destor]

it absolutely did

[Destor]

the business was super hot though. live wire pulled better numbers

[screech]

Worldwide was syndicated so probably

AEW should bring in Scott Hudson

[Sepholio]

AEW should bring in Scott Norton

Seconded

[xrodmuc316]

Dynamite was no match this week for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, coming in at #5


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[xrodmuc316]

Lots of good eating today!

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Give me Lee Marshall calling in from random pay phones throughout the country

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, the good news is that the Rampage rating is up. It’s up from a record low show, but up is up, right?

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s even if the ratings pop. People are seeing through this shit now.

[XL]

Doesn’t really matter if it does if it’s not sustained. Would those debuts/returns have captured interest?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Doesn’t really matter if it does if it’s not sustained. Would those debuts/returns have captured interest?

:y:

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s done.

[drave]

they said for the billionth time xD

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow this ship is taking on water fast!

[Mr. Nerfect]

What does Discovery see in them? What is anyone else going to see? They’ve wasted everything.

[Mr. Nerfect]

2.031 million for SmackDown.

410k for Rampage.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

929k for the coolest wrestling program in the world today!

[xrodmuc316]

929k for the coolest wrestling program in the world today!

IT'S THURSDAY NIGHT! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS??
Under a Million, again????


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[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t wait to hear the apologies when the reality hits people.

[slik]

1.49 million for RAW, I wonder if that's a record low

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.49 million for RAW, I wonder if that's a record low

AEW does lower numbers than that every week. :wtf:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

drawing only a half-million more than a company with less than a fraction of the longevity and brand recognition is hardly a brag, Noid, you fucking insufferable jackoff.

[Destor]

AEW really shouldnt be the measuring stick of success

[Sepholio]

TNA has done numbers that dwarf anything AEW has ever done.

IM JUST SAYING

[Jordan]

This thread suffers from downs syndrome! I can see it in all your faces, the way they droop low and the slop runs out the crevice of your lips. You cannot accurately compare TNA in 2010 ratings with AEW in 2022. The cable audience is much smaller now than it was then. It's a simple as that. That's also the reason WWE's rating compare so low to TNA from 2010 or themselves from any previous era.

WWE dipping as low as AEW's highest rating is just the place where wrestling and cable is. If WWE and AEW were on Network TV they'd be drawing probably half more or double the audience they have now, cable isn't on everyone's TV in 2022 like it was in 2010, or 1998.

[Jordan]

And by the way you twits, the big wig TNT exec's tweeted pics of them slamming beers and choking each other with their ties while watching Dynamite and were firing blunts in the private suites. Word is that Tony and the execs left the arena arm over shoulder chuckling about the night's events and what a cuck Vince McMahon is now that Nick Kahn is running that shit show. AEW forever.

[Sepholio]

lol shut up you mark

[#1-norm-fan]

This thread suffers from downs syndrome!

I definitely thought this was about to be a play on words. Nope. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

TNA has done numbers that dwarf anything AEW has ever done.

IM JUST SAYING

It’s true. TNA had the problem of never being able to really move past a 1.1 rating. AEW has the problem of never being able to move past a viewership of 1.1 million people.

Raw is a 3hr show broadcast that spreads out of prime time. Imagine how much worse a 3hr Dynamite would do? You see the damage Rampage takes by being in its slot. Somehow people can’t help themselves but try and make that sort of tailing a win though. Like it’s impossible to actually be a hit on television.

What’s also constantly ignored is the WWE’s global presence. Is Rampage on in Canada yet? I know there isn’t the demand for it here in Australia. Then you’ve also go WWE’s growing streaming deals, and their plans for actually relevant technology. How is that HBO Max deal going for AEW?

WWE is the dinosaur, yet they are kicking ass and taking the definite lead with contemporary media. Gotta be a mark for those archaic and misunderstood Nielsens, which they aren’t even winning.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite last night on TBS:<br>969,000 viewers<br>P18-49 rating: 0.40 (522,000)<br><br>Highest P18-49 since March 23. Highest total viewership since April 13.<br> �� <a href="https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8">https://t.co/1SscdBCpr8</a> <a href="https://t.co/T8LOsqMTEl">pic.twitter.com/T8LOsqMTEl</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1532452558949826565?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol.

Fanboys: HAHA! They worked everyone!

AEW Dynamite: *gets 969k viewers*

[xrodmuc316]

MEGA SUPERSTAR GAME CHANGER AND TOTALLY LEGITIMATE TOUGH FIGHTER MAN PHILLIP LEADING THE CHARGE AS WORLD CHAMPION MANAGES TO SUCCESSFULLY LEAD AEW TO ANOTHER UNDER A MILLION RATING!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

[xrodmuc316]

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[Ruien]

TNA has done numbers that dwarf anything AEW has ever done.

IM JUST SAYING

This is actually interesting. TNA at its peak was pulling over 1.10 million viewers. RAW is about to fall under those number. We can use TNA of old to be the measuring stick for the official death of wrestling.

[Destor]

as always it should be noted we dont have any clue how many people view anything on cable. the nielson system has no value any longer. on may 2nd neilson settled for $77 million over them giving unrelaible (and knowingly bogus) data. those numbers are only useful for ad revenue purposes and shouldnt be used for even that but there isnt a better system...yet. there is one in R&D righ now and in 5ish years we will finally have good data if all goes well.



but again we have absolutely no idea how many viewers either show has. none. and neilson agrees.

[Destor]

neilson ratings are completely and totally fraudulent

[drave]

should just pin those two posts at the top and close the thread :)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

neilson ratings are completely and totally fraudulent

Having done no research on this top, I'll take your word for it. But I'll happily take your word for it, kind sir.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’ll always be fun to rag on AEW fans because they take them so seriously though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It’ll always be fun to rag on AEW fans because they take them so seriously though.

I’d like to introduce you to yourself, Noid.

[Destor]

i mean I'll engage in a conversation about ratings I'll just use the rules the person im speaking to has established. if x is good and y is bad even if i disagree with the metrics we can still have a conversation as long as we all have the same context.


but make no mistake those numbers are complete mickey mouse.

[xrodmuc316]

i mean I'll engage in a conversation about ratings I'll just use the rules the person im speaking to has established. if x is good and y is bad even if i disagree with the metrics we can still have a conversation as long as we all have the same context.


but make no mistake those numbers are complete mickey mouse.

My issue has been solely that bad is bad, but worse than bad is somehow better and good.

[Destor]

right is 10 is bad for A and 6 is good for B i see why youd raise an eyebrow. HOWEVER in regards to AEW i think they have a pretty healthy growth over all. their youtube vide bring in large views which i think is indicative of interest.

if i were WWE id be concerend about 2032 and id be doubling my effort to reconnect with my audience.

if im AEW id feel optimistic about 2032. i would double down on efforts to iron out the NUMEROUS issues my company had to foster as much growth as rapidly as possible.

[Destor]

what im saying is there is a nuance here thats worth evaluating.

[Destor]

and to be clear im confident that there will be a wwe in 2032 than i am there will be an aew for a large number of reasons. like i said its a multifaceted issue.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i mean I'll engage in a conversation about ratings I'll just use the rules the person im speaking to has established. if x is good and y is bad even if i disagree with the metrics we can still have a conversation as long as we all have the same context.


but make no mistake those numbers are complete mickey mouse.

The numbers relative to themselves make for interesting discussion. It just amazes me how 969k for one is considered great. 1.5 million for someone else is considered “a record low.”

People apply their own context to these things. They want what people who have sway want them to mean. People on the internet will say the craziest things though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m pretty sure AEW is going to go under if it doesn’t get a major increase from WBD. I can see them getting it, because you can’t exactly accuse them of good taste.

[Sepholio]

But what about the demos?

[Vastardikai]

I think there are other metrics which are more telling.

One of the bigger ones being the upfronts. Keep in mind one company had a major physical presence for the networks they were on, while the other barely had a slide or two.