Ratings Thread

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is that what I actually said? NO, I said it would be weird for Vince to brag about the demos. Which makes it even weirder that they do it for AEW.

WWE is embarrassed when they drop below 2 million viewers and slip from first place in the demo. Tony Khan celebrates if he gets 700k viewers and cracks the top ten best dressed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://www.cagesideseats.com/2020/7/15/21326094/cody-rhodes-talks-approach-aew-wwe-ratings-war

Trouble in paradise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A better show is Kenny Omega vs. Marko Stunt, Cody vs. Sonny Kiss and Brandi Rhodes in action, by the way.

LolAEW

[xrodmuc316]

No. That’s what I actually said. I didn’t even quote you. Not everything is about you, fuckface.

Why are you unable to discuss/debate without resorting to name calling?

No, it doesn't hurt my feelings or offend me, but I would rather have actual discussions about wrestling on a wrestling discussion board than ending discussions abruptly because I don't have anything to add to this.

[#1-norm-fan]

Nah. You got offended because you took a post that had nothing to do with you as a personal attack. Likely because you’re used to your posts being ridiculed. Dale may be right about you being a “weener-boy” (his words, not mine!)

Now you just apologize for trying to get all snippy and then we can discuss/debate how bad WWE and all the wrestling has become.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why are you unable to discuss/debate without resorting to name calling?

No, it doesn't hurt my feelings or offend me, but I would rather have actual discussions about wrestling on a wrestling discussion board than ending discussions abruptly because I don't have anything to add to this.

All I'm reading is "blah blah blah, I'm a weener-boy."

[slik]

Big bounce back for AEW this week, landing in the top five. Not a bad week for NXT either.

Congrats to BOTH.

AEW- 788k
NXT - 631k


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[Volare]

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[slik]

If you combine them about 140k less than RAW and .6 away from tying it in the infamous demo

[Triple A]

Had a feeling NXT was going to do bad since they barely announced anything for the show ahead of time

[slik]

Yikes at NXT Males 12-34 being .02

That seems 'too low' to me, like something was off in factoring it. I'd be shocked if that really is .02.

If it is, aye carumba

[#1-norm-fan]

Welp. Good run, NXT!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Terrible rating for NXT. Terrible rating for Wednesday night, really. Total number of people dropping, not growing. NXT can always bolster itself up. AEW can only do so much. 800k people seeing that program on Wednesday might not have been a good thing.

The goodwill to AEW will continue to erode over time. NXT will probably just keep chugging along putting out the more consistent product. If they need to bolster it, they will. AEW is likely not getting a big name. Vickie Guerrero ain't going to cut it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cool that AEW went up though, right? Cage vs Moxley being a serious main event probably helped!

[erickman]

yeah i figured the nascar allstar race would take people away

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

now that aew has won, i like this thread again.

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s a war that harkens back to the good old days. And AEW seems to be winning. Will it last? WHO KNOWS?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I only care to the point that AEW stays on tv because I mostly enjoy it and I wanna see what they can do. I certainly wouldn't want them to die out after a year on tv. That'd suck balls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s not likely to last. It’s hardcore fan goodwill/pity with the final fumes of fans trying to give a shit about something. It’s not making any new fans and drives people away at about the same rate as WWE. Because it’s as bad as WWE. Jericho got slimed this week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The ultimate loser is wrestling. There isn’t more interest being generated, and what is left is just being split further and further. AEW is likely to add another show. Vince is going to keep on making his billions in revenue. Nothing is going to change.

[slik]

1.893 million this week for SD, to once again top the chart in wrestling


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[slik]

Here's how the big 4 shows did this week in live viewers


SD - 1.893 million
RAW - 1.561 million
AEW- 788k
NXT - 631k

[slik]

Sometimes I wonder if FOX realizes that Vince carnied them big-time. So many of the people who were all over promo material for SD on FOX aren't on the show. Ronda, Brock, Becky, Rey Mysterio, Undertaker, Cena, Charlotte were all over advertising for the show. I remember all the news sites talking about how Ronda and Brock were a big part of the selling point of SD to FOX.

The only people I think who are on SD now that were part of the promo push in commercials are Kofi and DBry.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Haha, I used to make a big deal about that. The WWE can send talent over to that show any time they want. If FOX wanted Rey Mysterio, Brock Lesnar or Charlotte (the only active talent in that promotional material you listed) on the show, they could have them. I doubt FOX really knows who any of the talent actually is. It's also possible that the WWE put those advertising packets together themselves. Yeah, it's fucking silly of them to promote people that aren't going to be on the show, but the whole thing with them is promoting the brand. You get WWE -- which includes stars like, yadda, yadda, yadda.

FOX knows what they got when they signed a deal to air Vince McMahon programming on their network. It's crazy to me that people think FOX must be sitting there, spitting in a rage while TNT is over the moon ecstatic with AEW and their shitty programming.

Tied for #1 in the demos again, I see. Funny how that doesn't come up when it's not Wednesday. I fucking hate defending WWE, but some of the fan perspectives on them is, frankly, markish.

If FOX was like "Hey Vince, we're going to cancel ya," Brock Lesnar and Rey Mysterio would be on there tomorrow, not that I'm sure the person making that call has any idea who they are.

[slik]

WWE RAW went up 67k viewers this week

1.628 million viewers

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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Orton vs Show did a 0.42 18-49 in Q3. That is staggeringly bad when put into perspective. Worst quarter performance in 27+ year history of the show for a bout promoted for weeks.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1285670132732301313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Orton vs Show did a 0.42 18-49 in Q3. That is staggeringly bad when put into perspective. Worst quarter performance in 27+ year history of the show for a bout promoted for weeks.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1285670132732301313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"That is historically bad!"

"Also, more than AEW gets, but YAY AEW DEMO KINGS!"

And this is why I laugh when this dude acts like he is a serious journalist.

[slik]

If I was USA Network and were paying 44 million a year for NXT and 230 million a year for RAW and it was doing just barely double what NXT does, I'd be thinking about seeing if I could re-negotiate out of my current deal to pay a better price for RAW

[slik]

The next two weeks are going to be really bad for RAW, AEW, NXT and SD.

MLB, NBA, etc are going to do a number on all wrestling ratings across the board

[xrodmuc316]

If I was USA Network and were paying 44 million a year for NXT and 230 million a year for RAW and it was doing just barely double what NXT does, I'd be thinking about seeing if I could re-negotiate out of my current deal to pay a better price for RAW

I think they are paying WWE about the same amount now that they were paying last year for Raw and Smackdown. Not a complete apples to apples comparison, but they are still getting 5 hours of WWE produced television for roughly the same amount of money.

[Evil Vito]

I for one am shocked that people don't want to see Big Show wrestling in 2020.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm sure they aren't cursing the name of WWE, but if you think USA or Fox are happy with those ratings, you're probably a dumb twat.

(re: Noid and XRod)

[xrodmuc316]

I'm sure they aren't cursing the name of WWE, but if you think USA or Fox are happy with those ratings, you're probably a dumb twat.

(re: Noid and XRod)

Never said they were happy with the ratings, nice try though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I was USA Network and were paying 44 million a year for NXT and 230 million a year for RAW and it was doing just barely double what NXT does, I'd be thinking about seeing if I could re-negotiate out of my current deal to pay a better price for RAW

That double is so much more exposure. I hear a bunch of AEW drones talk about how TNT is paying chips for Dynamite and it reaches 700k people. It's a much, much, much wider net to cast with 1.6 million or whatever.

If the WWE got good somehow, and every fan told three people about how good WWE is and just 10% of them were converted, that is an additional 480k fans. If AEW did the same thing, you still wouldn't get over the 1 million mark.

When you get to that much exposure, it's just unparalleled, which is what you're paying for if you are an advertiser. People keep the same ratio when you're talking about a show with the audience of a Dynamite versus one wit the scope of Raw's.

And 0.41 is basically twice what AEW does most weeks, so there's fucking that.

[drave]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I like Dave Meltzer for his passion and knowledge. But this "MUH DEMOS" shit has soured me so much on him. Sure, ratings are important to wrestling, but Jesus Christ, talk about taking the fun out of literally everything.

We have two companies fighting for the smallest piece of the pie imaginable, getting fucking hideously bad ratings. It's not even worth this thread, no matter how many 18-49-year-olds watch AEW or NXT.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

In AEW's defense, they don't have generations of brand recognition to bolster them. WWE has every fucking advantage...such as amazing advertisers and the fact that they've been the only game in town for 2 decades. And their ratings are still the drizzling shits.

Seriously, as bad as AEW's ratings are, they just need a BIT of traction (lord knows they won't get it) and they'll be threatening RAW. It's fucking pathetic.

[slik]

Good jump for AEW this week

AEW - 845k
NXT - 615k


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[slik]

Add both together and they are only 168k away from RAW

[xrodmuc316]

William Regal's tried and true formula of announcing a tournament didn't bring in big numbers??? Shocker!

[Bad News Gertner]

Baseball is really going to hurt ratings for both sides going forward

[erickman]

basketball too

[slik]

Yeah, I have a feeling real sports is about to crater RAW, SD, Dynamite and NXT

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah, I have a feeling real sports is about to crater RAW, SD, Dynamite and NXT

I honestly don't know. We kind of all assumed wrestling was gonna capitalize on being the only live thing going, but the no crowd absolutely killed the non hardcore audience's interest.

I am wondering if sports are going to suffer the same fate.

Baseball isn't too dependant on the crowd, but basketball will be weird as hell all quiet hearing the shoes squeaking.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don't think sports will have much of an issue. Baseball's built in audience is larger than wrestling, and fans have been thirsty for games. Tonight's Yankees v Nationals and Dodgers v Giants games should be a decent indicator of what we can expect.

I think pro sports is gonna crush wrestling. Especially the mid week shows.

[xrodmuc316]

I don't think sports will have much of an issue. Baseball's built in audience is larger than wrestling, and fans have been thirsty for games. Tonight's Yankees v Nationals and Dodgers v Giants games should be a decent indicator of what we can expect.

I think pro sports is gonna crush wrestling. Especially the mid week shows.

Even though personally I find basketball much more entertaining, baseball won't be too odd without fans the way basketball will be.

Maybe they can pump in fan noise for the basketball games.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Add both together and they are only 168k away from RAW

That's really sad, haha.

[xrodmuc316]

"GUYS OH MUH GAWD DYNAMITE HAD OVER 1 MILLION VIEWERS FOR 5 WHOLE MINUTES, SUCH A HUGE NUMBER!" ~ Dave Meltzer

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> was over a million total viewers for the final 5 minutes of the <a href="https://twitter.com/youngbucks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@youngbucks</a> v. Butcher &amp; Blade Falls Count Anywhere match, from 8:55pm ET to 9pm ET with 1,018,000 viewers total and 502,000 in the key 18-49 year old demographic! Thank you to everyone who watched!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1286768978619179009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"YAY THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING OUR SHOW FOR FIVE MINUTES, WE ARE THE BEST!" ~ Tony Khan

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol So angry

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Do we know which episode of Guy’s Grocery Games was on? It’s still good but the energy seems different since Carl the Cuban died.

[slik]

Impact from Wade Keller

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[Triple A]

Interesting... that's way more than I thought they were doing

[erickman]

Impact from Wade Keller

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thats alot of people putting up with madasons voice. axs screwed up when they let new japan leave, they should have kept them doing what they wanted to do then they would have 2 shows people watch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"GUYS OH MUH GAWD DYNAMITE HAD OVER 1 MILLION VIEWERS FOR 5 WHOLE MINUTES, SUCH A HUGE NUMBER!" ~ Dave Meltzer

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> was over a million total viewers for the final 5 minutes of the <a href="https://twitter.com/youngbucks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@youngbucks</a> v. Butcher &amp; Blade Falls Count Anywhere match, from 8:55pm ET to 9pm ET with 1,018,000 viewers total and 502,000 in the key 18-49 year old demographic! Thank you to everyone who watched!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1286768978619179009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"YAY THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING OUR SHOW FOR FIVE MINUTES, WE ARE THE BEST!" ~ Tony Khan

Yeah, that they’re making a big deal over such small numbers is pretty funny. This is the sort of reactionary stuff Vince Russo used to do. No effort to understand why things happen the way they do, or what they actually mean.

[Vastardikai]

So, a million people noticed the Bucks vs. Butcher and Blade were wrestling, took 5 minutes to realize it was fucking stupid, and changed the channel? Good on them, I guess. I would have been more impressed if they kept them.

[slik]

1.970 million viewers for SD

[xrodmuc316]

So, a million people noticed the Bucks vs. Butcher and Blade were wrestling, took 5 minutes to realize it was fucking stupid, and changed the channel? Good on them, I guess. I would have been more impressed if they kept them.

:y:

[slik]

Bucks vs Butcher/Blade was good

Best Young Bucks match I've seen.

[slik]

Meltzer said SD's number is likely lower tham this as some FOX stations aired baseball instead of SD and it was counted for SD ratings in the overnight measure:

Here's how the top 4 did this week:


SD - 1.97
RAW _ 1.62
AEW - 845k
NXT - 615k

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, people never think about what the numbers actually mean. Doesn’t occur to people that the people tuning in for The Young Bucks match were AEW fans + people laughing at the silly wrestling. That’s why they didn’t stick around.

[xrodmuc316]

OMG!!! Vince McMahon himself is getting in on the idiotic "muh demos" trash too!

"Conversely, TV viewership trends have been negatively impacted by the COVID, obviously, and note the lack of a live audience," he said. "We are still nonetheless the #1 television show on USA [Network] and consistently the #1 broadcast show on Fridays among key demos."

I am in that demo, and I want it to fuck off forever...

Billy Corbin is now on deck.

[slik]

RAW was able to avoid an all-time low rating against sports, with 1.616 million viewers

Big third hour drop


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Third hour of RAW, which was actually great in terms of in-ring wrestling, hits a brand new all-time low, 1.463 million.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1288204137297924097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Next week could be tougher:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Next week:<br>Lakers vs Jazz (ESPN)<br>Spurs vs 76ers<br>6 MLB games<br>2 NHL games</p>&mdash; Fictitious Fisticuffs (@Rivenblade2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rivenblade2/status/1288213055927652355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

OMG!!! Vince McMahon himself is getting in on the idiotic "muh demos" trash too!

WELL, WELL, WELL...

[Mr. Nerfect]

People are going to spin things to fit their agendas. I'm at the point where I can't wait for AEW to fall in the demo so people can just accept that shit fucking sucks.

[slik]

AEW and NXT both stand strong against competition

AEW - 773k
NXT - 707k


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[Triple A]

They really need to figure out the crowd noise shit...

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW down, NXT up.*

Same 1.5 million people watching each week, although sometimes that number has been dipping.

[Bad News Gertner]

I have to say I'm pretty surprised both ratings held up so well.

I've also heard this theory that most wrestling fans don't watch sports.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, the wrestling/real sports gap is probably wider than it’s ever been.

[Bad News Gertner]

But it's been like this forever. I've only heard people like Bix and Kris Zellner say this so I have no actual proof but it does make sense.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I've also heard this theory that most wrestling fans don't watch sports.

Look at the neckbeards in the audience -- of course they don't watch sports.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW and NXT combined beat the third hour of RAW in viewers this week.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1288929391532113920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

But it's been like this forever. I've only heard people like Bix and Kris Zellner say this so I have no actual proof but it does make sense.

Yeah, sports hasn't had a drastic effect on WWE for ages. I don't know how you can really compare the two in today's day and age. I can't imagine people being torn between their NFL and New Day comedy segment, let alone their NFL and Orange Cassidy arsing around.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW and NXT combined beat the third hour of RAW in viewers this week.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1288929391532113920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hahaha, the combined viewership of this "hot" night for wrestling managed to be hour three of the fucking drudge that is Monday Night Raw. That says something about how irrelevant this all is.

[slik]

1.892 for brand blue

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[slik]

Here's how the big 4 did in live viewers this week

SD - 1.892 million
RAW - 1.616 million
AEW - 773k
NXT - 707k

[slik]

RAW went up 100k viewers to 1.71 million

I thought they might crack 2 million for that first hr w/ the hype but nope


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[Mr. Nerfect]

There wasn’t any hype.

[slik]

AEW toppled both Guy Fieri and Sean Hannity

I think this is the first time they've cracked 900k in a while too. NXT also went up.


AEW - 901k
NXT - 753k


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[Triple A]

The taped shows with the extremely sweetened crowd noise seem to have a big effect on the ratings... Seems to be a pattern the past few weeks where the taped shows do significantly better than the live ones with the really quiet crowd... They need to figure that out... shouldn't be too hard to add live "sweetening"... really has a huge effect on how lively the show feels

[slik]

Possibly the biggest news in ratings this week -

When you combine AEW and NXT they are only 60k viewers lower than RAW.

RAW - 1.71
AEW/NXT - 1.65

[Triple A]

AEW beat Raw in people 18-34, 0.29 to 0.28

[Triple A]

Possibly the biggest news in ratings this week -

When you combine AEW and NXT they are only 60k viewers lower than RAW.

RAW - 1.71
AEW/NXT - 1.65

I don't like the combining thing because there is a big overlap with people that watch both shows, so it's like counting them twice... I assume that's how it works at least

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. People flip back and forth to inflate ratings. Combining them is misleading.

AEW beat Raw in people 18-34, 0.29 to 0.28

THIS, on the other hand... Oof.

[Mr. Nerfect]

900k! Holy shit! A revolution is coming! :lol:

[#1-norm-fan]

What number would warrant your praise, Noid? Serious question.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought 1.4 million when they started was alright. I don't think I would praise it, per se. I don't think it would be as embarrassing for wrestling. Right now they are within spitting distance of WWE hours six and seven. If WWE is so bad (and it is), then I don't see a reason that AEW shouldn't be doing numbers comparable to a SmackDown when it was on the USA Network.

They have the stars (they should have more, but they goofed themselves out of that), they have the platform and with a billionaire's backing and that platform, there is no reason they couldn't have a comparable immediate promotional reach. If two new shows debuted on USA and TNT next week, they're in about the same amount of homes. There's no reason to assume that one has a distinct advantage over the other. WWE has overall product awareness, but so many people I know still call it the WWF and don't know it still exists. I think the "WWE has been around for ages so it's obviously going to be more popular" angle is bullshit.

So about 2 million people for a wrestling product with Chris Jericho, JR and Jon Moxley that isn't WWE and is apparently good. Yeah, I might be tough on that. But given the apparent buys of the first Double or Nothing, 1.4 million viewers on TV for that audience was pretty predictable, if you take PPV as about 5% of the TV audience. So that hardcore audience showing up for wrestling not WWE is about 1.4 million people. That they haven't built on that at all is actually pretty sad.

What AEW does do well, as I think wrestling does, is that it gets its viewers to watch live more regularly. A lot of shows would only get about a third of their audience to watch every week, and AEW is doing better than 467k. And they actually seemed to convert about 10% of that audience to PPV for Double or Nothing II.

So AEW has a very strong and loyal following (for the moment). But have done absolutely nothing to bring lapsed fans back or create new ones.

I'd be impressed by >2 million people. I think the 1.4 million-2 million range is fine for bad wrestling in 2020. That's still the green zone for me. Below 1.4 million is where things go yellow. Great numbers for AEW, but not really for wrestling. Anything between 467k-934k is orange. That's when that hardcore audience is there between a third and two-thirds in potential number. Below 467k is red. I estimate the bottom for AEW is 420k.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m gonna go ahead and stop you at “They have the stars.” Do you mean Jericho? Do you mean Cody? Do you mean Moxley? How do you define a “star”?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m gonna go ahead and stop you at “They have the stars.” Do you mean Jericho? Do you mean Cody? Do you mean Moxley? How do you define a “star”?

Jericho, Moxley, Cody and JR all have a lot of exposure in WWE. I’m not talking Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan obviously.

[slik]

Best week for SD in a while

1.956 avg


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[slik]

Big 4 of the week

SD - 1.96 million
RAW - 1.71 million
AEW - 901k
NXT - 753k

[Mr. Nerfect]

Best week for SD in a while

1.956 avg


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Fast-Demo-2020-Aug-07-FRI.png

I haven't been following this alleged trend as closely as I could, but apparently on weeks when Raw and SmackDown do well, AEW does well. It's not surprising that wrestling has some better weeks than others. The health of AEW is probably pretty intrinsically linked to the wealth of WWE.

Big 4 of the week

SD - 1.96 million
RAW - 1.71 million
AEW - 901k
NXT - 753k

WWE - 4.42 million views

AEW - 901k

AEW got some catching up to do.

[slik]

RAW had 1.72 million viewers this week

Big news of the week is Dynamite beat RAW in 18-34 viewers (Dynamite .29 vs RAW .23)


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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW beat RAW all three hours in persons 18-34.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1293280717535719424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW hasn’t been on this week. Wrestling fans are almost as bad as wrestling.

[xrodmuc316]

I thought the important demo was 18-49. You mean to tell me AEW honks are going to change the "important" demo to fit their narrative?

Who would have EVER guessed?!?!?

:roll:

[Triple A]

It means AEW is more appealing to young people already less than a year after its start

[Triple A]

More of an explanation about how channel flipping counts in the ratings... so combining the AEW and NXT viewership to compare to Raw does have validity I guess

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numbers are determined by an average of each minute. So if you watch 50 minutes of one and 70 of the other, you count as .42 of a viewer for the first show and .58 of the second show if you flip back and forth. <a href="https://t.co/5y3cgoZWrC">https://t.co/5y3cgoZWrC</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1293591133499482112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

It means AEW is more appealing to young people already less than a year after its start

But they're losing in the key demo to a 3-hour dinosaur.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol

[slik]

NXT fell to number 65 this week.

AEW - 792k
NXT - 619k


https://i.ibb.co/JkMjXmq/aew.png

https://i.ibb.co/4RgHSYB/nxt.png

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AEW DOMINATING NXT

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">.32 to .16 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemoBurn?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DemoBurn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemoGod?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DemoGod</a> <a href="https://t.co/x0kHHtAV8B">pic.twitter.com/x0kHHtAV8B</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1294007488392634368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shit's about to pop off, son!

[Volare]

I can't but can believe Jericho posted that.

[slik]

Jerichovid-19 loves to troll

[Bad News Gertner]

So the big news is Raw defeated AEW in the coveted 18-34 demo this week. Lol they didn't reclaim it. Two different weeks.

AEW getting desperate. R.I.P

[Mr. Nerfect]

So the big news is Raw defeated AEW in the coveted 18-34 demo this week. Lol they didn't reclaim it. Two different weeks.

AEW getting desperate. R.I.P

Anything is possible when you lie.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer made a ridiculous post not only doing the same thing, but also claiming that TNT must love AEW because they’re not paying much for it and they’re getting 70% of a demo. Which isn’t how demos and TV rights work (even ask BigCrippyZ) but also ignores that AEW has a 50/50 split for ad revenue.

[xrodmuc316]

I finally realized what it is.

I enjoy most of AEW for the 2 hours Dynamite is on.

I hate most of AEW the rest of the week.

If they all weren't so damn annoying and "just shut up and wrestled" they probably wouldn't have driven a million people away.

All their bullshit bragging about how they are doing so great after 10 months is a spin.

They lost the majority of their audience in 10 months, that is the truth. It likely happened because they are insufferable outside of the actual television tapings.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AEW, the greatest promotion of all time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hate bad wrestling. I don’t have the patience for more bad wrestling just because it isn’t run by a particular rich guy I’ve manufactured an issue with. I’m annoyed at the squandered opportunity and the fandom around them is more counterproductive and off-putting than optimistic.

I’ve tuned out of even having a cursory interest in AEW. I’ll see a headline from Meltzer or the people willing this to be more than it is and you can pretty much be guaranteed it is bullshit. It’s mild fun to dig into “TNT must love AEW because (bullshit reasons).” It’s just sad this is where wrestling is.

[Bad News Gertner]

Baseball ratings seem to be up, and it appears that younger viewership is on the rise. I'm guessing it's part of the reason viewership dropped this week

"Through the third weekend of MLB action, 39 million unique viewers have watched 59 telecasts (661,017 per game), compared to 26 million over 45 broadcasts (577,777 per game) through the same period in 2019, according to Nielsen data MLB provided to Stephen Battaglio of the Los Angeles Times.

While that shows slight growth, ESPN's national MLB telecasts are averaging 1.2 million viewers, Battaglio notes. That's up 29% from last season's numbers.

Perhaps most encouraging is the rise in viewership among the 18-34 age group. ESPN has seen a 64% increase among men and an 83% uptick among women in that demographic"

[Mr. Nerfect]

The demo breakdowns seem so antiquated. To grab a bunch of people and group them based solely on age in 2020 seems ridiculous. Are these socially adjusted? The experience of an 18 year old kid in Harlem is going to be very different from a 32 year old in Des Moines. Is there a larger amount of LGTB viewers than usual? And do these people spend money?

These sound like some pretty important points of inquiry to potential advertisers, who would be trying to work out if paying for an ad slot that is going to reach only ~200,000 people in a certain “demo” is worth it.

To see a bunch of fans get their panties moist because AEW got a 0.36 to Raw’s 0.4 is just fucking embarrassing.

[slik]

SD tops the week at 1.978


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Fast-Demo-2020-Aug-14-FRI.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Very surprised this wasn't listed as "AEW only 1.2 million off SmackDown."

[xrodmuc316]

The demo breakdowns seem so antiquated. To grab a bunch of people and group them based solely on age in 2020 seems ridiculous. Are these socially adjusted? The experience of an 18 year old kid in Harlem is going to be very different from a 32 year old in Des Moines. Is there a larger amount of LGTB viewers than usual? And do these people spend money?

These sound like some pretty important points of inquiry to potential advertisers, who would be trying to work out if paying for an ad slot that is going to reach only ~200,000 people in a certain “demo” is worth it.

To see a bunch of fans get their panties moist because AEW got a 0.36 to Raw’s 0.4 is just fucking embarrassing.

Also remember, they are basing that on a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the actual viewership. The true difference is about 20 people who actually have a Nielsen box.

Anybody who feels like going back a few pages, I explained it. They are happy about what 20 more people watching represents according to a completely outdated model.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh yeah. And I don't even know anyone in the 18-49 demo with cable anymore. They're getting about 400k people in that demo. That seems like an extremely small sample to market to. And what else do we know about these people? What else do they spend money on? Do they just pay for cable so they've got their wrestling and won't spend it on much else?

[slik]

Sling, HuluLive, YouTubeTV, etc all count as cable in Nielsen ratings.

You don't know anyone who uses services like those...I doubt that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, they count all that and it's still so low?! Oh wow, I thought that was just actual terrestrial cable.

Actually, no, I don't know anyone who uses those services. It's all Netflix, Stan, Disney+, Kayo and Amazon Prime down here. And the UFC and WWE have their apps if you're into them. The one I think we do get is YouTubeTV, but I don't know anybody who uses that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh yeah. And I don't even know anyone in the 18-49 demo with cable anymore. They're getting about 400k people in that demo. That seems like an extremely small sample to market to. And what else do we know about these people? What else do they spend money on?

Drugs and rock and roll records probably.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Looking at the average AEW fan, probably tabletop games and sex chat lines too. Not to shame anyone, but let’s stop pretending that the people in this demo are “cool” and who companies want their products to be associated with.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well if they’re tabletop game, sex chat line and fatty snack companies, they should be all over this shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well if they’re tabletop game, sex chat line and fatty snack companies, they should be all over this shit.

They probably are.

[slik]

I figured it would be a tough week for RAW w/ both NBA and DNC and it was

1.64 million


https://i.postimg.cc/3RwrmQgj/raw.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Doesn't bode well for the rest of the week.

[xrodmuc316]

I figured it would be a tough week for RAW w/ both NBA and DNC and it was

1.64 million

Yeah but look at those demos!!!!

MUH DEMOS!!!!!!

[slik]

Doesn't bode well for the rest of the week.

Agreed.

I'm not sure what sports are next week but I believe the RNC begins next Monday as well.

[slik]

NXT got a bump w/o AEW

853k


https://i.postimg.cc/HxztYSqh/Final-Cable-2020-Aug-19-WED.png

[Bad News Gertner]

NXT crushes AEW in the Wednesday Night War

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was thinking they wouldn't want to get below 850k without AEW. They landed right about there. Not spectacular for them, but a solid showing.

[Droford]

NXT crushes AEW in the Wednesday Night War

Saturday night will be interesting because WWE never reveals network numbers and AEW being on a Saturday potentially delayed because of basketball past 6pm start.

[Bad News Gertner]

NXT already won 850,000-0

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think AEW should do better than NXT. They should get their 600k diehards. The floaters will probably check it out. Then they might be able to snag a few people from the NBA.

[slik]

Thunderdome gave SD it's best # in a while, 2.168 million


https://i.postimg.cc/vZcFZv08/sd.png

[slik]

Guessing we won't know AEW's number until Monday

SD - 2.17 million
RAW - 1.64 million
NXT - 853k

[Jordan]

Bray and Braun were/are horrible.

[XL]

I was thinking they wouldn't want to get below 850k without AEW. They landed right about there. Not spectacular for them, but a solid showing.

Why 850?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why 850?

600k loyal NXT fans plus the floaters.

[slik]

This is higher than I thought Dynamite would do on a Saturday


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> from Saturday August, 22nd - 755k, .31 key demo, #5 <a href="https://t.co/l7OjlcsdCH">pic.twitter.com/l7OjlcsdCH</a></p>&mdash; Will ✊�� (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1298252080176488449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, NXT crushes AEW

R.I.P

[Volare]

I'm more shocked they damn near matched UFC.

[Bad News Gertner]

You know who matched UFC: NXT

[Big Vic]

Damn Nascar gets a lot more eyes than I thought.

[slik]

Big increase for post SummerSlam episode of RAW

2.03 million

(last week was 1.64 million)


https://i.postimg.cc/CLWCvnLx/raw.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

The AEW rating is fine. What you’d expect. Probably good they didn’t do much better than what they normally would. Might encourage TNT to move it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raw killed it, compared to the shit rating it usually does. But no one will talk about that. The sky is still falling, etc.

[slik]

824k for NXT


https://i.postimg.cc/J0ymV0hm/Screenshot-2020-08-27-at-3-11-08-PM.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, pretty much in that same range. This stuff clearly has a ceiling.

[Bad News Gertner]

Been saying that for a year. A niche audience of a niche audience.

[slik]

Not too bad for airing on a Thursday - 813k for Dynamite this week


https://i.postimg.cc/m2LgfSFj/Final-Cable-2020-Aug-27-THU.png

[Bad News Gertner]

NXT with the win!

[slik]

Look at the 50+ number for Fox News and Hannity

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes, because old people are the only ones who watch cable news anymore. Younger people don’t trust that and look at their phones. AEW doesn’t lose viewers because of the news. The news might get a bump, but it is from people who wouldn’t be caught dead watching AEW.

And I’m sure those news programs do fine with advertisers too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Been saying that for a year. A niche audience of a niche audience.

Oh, I know. History is proving you right.

[slik]

Big Dog brings the ratings to SD

2.180 million


https://i.postimg.cc/0NBCT0kB/Fast-Demo-2020-Aug-28-FRI.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s basically the same number as last week.

[slik]

This week RAW had 1.896 million live viewers


https://i.postimg.cc/ZYGTcZX9/Final-Cable-2020-Aug-31-MON.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Still so much more popular than AEW, haha. So much for that changing the world thing, hey?

[screech]

Maybe this has already been answered - I may have even asked it - but when do they factor in DVR and/or streaming numbers for weekly show ratings? Is that a thing they do? (It has to be, right?)

[slik]

They do, the +3 and +7 days are added I believe. Meltzer and Wade Keller will mention them.

WWE usually ads about 100 - 200k viewers to a show IIRC with DVR. AEW usually ads about 300k with DVR. Wade Keller has said before AEW almost always hits a million viewers after DVR is added.

[screech]

Nice. I figured that would factor in somehow. I'm sure it also has a little bearing at least on the TV deals.

[slik]

I foresee a permanent move to Tuesday nights in NXT's possible future

849k

https://i.postimg.cc/13Dnr0QL/nxt.png

[Jordan]

I could see that too. Noid idk why you are hating on the 800k range rating, the shows are usually always in the top 5 so who cares if it's a niche of a niche. WWF was like that for years. If AEW and NXT can hover around 800k and stay in the top 5, then they have be considered a success. You gain so much glee in the multiple times you've emphasized that AEW is still drawing lower ratings than WWE. I don't know if you've noticed but most of the posters who watch AEW every week either talk about WWE as well or not at all. The feud is coming from you and it's one sided.

[slik]

Good week for AEW - 928k

Honestly, it would be best for WWE and AEW if the shows were on different nights. It's certainly best for fans.


https://i.postimg.cc/FzDhPpNx/aew.png

[slik]

NXT replay on SyFy came in at 125 w/ 183k viewers, which I consider good for a replay on a less popular cable channel.

[slik]

SD - 2.06 million


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fast-Demo-2020-Sep-04-FRI.png

[xrodmuc316]

I foresee a permanent move to Tuesday nights in NXT's possible future

849k

https://i.postimg.cc/13Dnr0QL/nxt.png

So AEW will go from WWE was just trying to hurt is and it's not fair, to WWE is running away like cowards because we are so great.

Gotta give it to them, AEW spins everything at an Elite level.

[#1-norm-fan]

... You realize those two things would not contradict each other, right?

[xrodmuc316]

... You realize those two things would not contradict each other, right?

But they do contradict how AEW has portrayed itself. AEW would go from the victims to the conquerors in their own fabricated perception.

After all the times AEW played the sympathy strings, don't watch NXT they are just there to hurt us, AEW should just be happy the audience would no longer be split. It's what they have been whining about all the way back to the first Fight for the Fallen when Kenny Omega had a meltdown that WWE was going to air an Evolve show on the Network.

But they already have roster members popping off at the mouth about nothing but speculation, celebrating and bragging. If they really want to be unopposed they should at least wait until NXT has officially changed nights. Vince McMahon is a vindictive bastard, maybe AEW should just take the win instead of acting like jackasses already.

[weather vane]

Haha this guys nuts.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This guy is mad at AEW for a hypothetical scenario he created in his own head.

The internet really does rot some people’s brains.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol

[Jordan]

I went back a page or two to try and follow this.... Gonna go to a other thread.

[xrodmuc316]

This guy is mad at AEW for a hypothetical scenario he created in his own head.

The internet really does rot some people’s brains.

I'm not mad. I said AEW is going to go from spinning the story that WWE is a bully for counter programming to spinning it as WWE changing nights because AEW chased them off.

If they are going to complain about WWE splitting the audience, then they shouldn't be trying to piss Vince McMahon off so he changes his mind about switching nights.

I would be happy if NXT moved to Tuesday nights, it's another night of wrestling. I even said Vince is a vindictive bastard, and I don't want AEW to give Vince a reason to not move NXT to another night JUST to hurt AEW.

AEW can brag after the fact, once it has actually happened.

[slik]

1.725 million for RAW this week


https://i.postimg.cc/C5mMTkC0/raw.png

[slik]

While SD has stayed above 2 million each week since Thunderdome debuted, RAW has taken a tumble. Monday Night Football returns next week so that might continue.


Since Thunderdome:

2.030 million
1.896 million
1.725 million

[slik]

NXT had another good showing running on Tuesday

838k

https://i.postimg.cc/mg5xdLQ6/Final-Cable-2020-Sep-08-TUE.png

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="cy" dir="ltr">AEW: 1.016 million</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1304146431578501120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

First time they've cracked one million.

[Triple A]

First time since their first three weeks*

[slik]

Here's the chart

https://i.postimg.cc/Bv2P0cxr/aew.png

[#1-norm-fan]

Wow! Many would never have guessed that they’d rise back up over a million! Especially while some shows are reaching record lows. CONGRATS AEW!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That's a huge number for them. Congrats indeed.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly it’s not like raw gets that much of a better number. Hopefully they can create some real momentum

[slik]

SD continues to do well in the Heel Dog era

2.261 million


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fast-Demo-2020-Sep-11-FRI.png

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Who'd have thought bad ass wrecking ball heel Reigns would be interesting. Surely nobody.

[Mr. Nerfect]

xrod is right about AEW.

[Droford]

Jericho now calling himself the Million Viewer Man

[xrodmuc316]

Jericho now calling himself the Million Viewer Man

I guess he forgot how he used to be on wrestling shows that got 4 or 5 million viewers.

[slik]

RAW 1.689 million


https://i.postimg.cc/9Qhs4qR6/Screenshot-2020-09-15-at-5-28-26-PM.png

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess he forgot how he used to be on wrestling shows that got 4 or 5 million viewers.

Those were the days, buddy!

[Droford]

RAW 1.689 million


https://i.postimg.cc/9Qhs4qR6/Screenshot-2020-09-15-at-5-28-26-PM.png

In regards to MNF

Steelers at Giants: This game drew 10.8 million viewers on ESPN, down 21% from the early-game opener during Week 1 of the 2019 NFL season
Titans at Broncos: Drew 7.7 million viewers, down a whopping 38% from the late game last year.



Raw not losing viewers probably better than the losses the nfl games took

[slik]

Lowest # NXT has done in ages....seems like they should maybe IDK put the shows on different nights bc that would be best for business


AEW - 886k
NXT - 689k


https://i.postimg.cc/yYmZj8dw/Final-Cable-2020-Sep-16-WED.png

[xrodmuc316]

UHOH, looks like Jericho is gonna need a new nickname/shirt.

The 886,000 man :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Lowest # NXT has done in ages....seems like they should maybe IDK put the shows on different nights bc that would be best for business.

You tell them, Slik Jericho

[weather vane]

AEW just handing WWE their lunch. You hate to see it. Yikes.

[Bad News Gertner]

WWE Developmental

[weather vane]

Whatever mental hoops you boys need to jump through! Hahaha!

[Bad News Gertner]

Well it is

[xrodmuc316]

Or more accurately, mostly former WWE main roster guys are beating mostly future WWE main roster guys.

[weather vane]

lol

[Volare]

You tell them, Slik Jericho

#repgod

[slik]

STD's take

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This should end the NXT should move to Tuesday movement. They exist on Wednesdays to keep AEW away from million range. <a href="https://t.co/D0jPJQlZgy">https://t.co/D0jPJQlZgy</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Damon (@rdamon1982) <a href="https://twitter.com/rdamon1982/status/1306716622829297664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Hard hitting opinions by STD

[slik]

SD had 1.954 million viewers this week, a surprising drop from the last two weeks


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fast-Demo-2020-Sep-18-FRI.png

[slik]

RAW 1.667 million

https://i.postimg.cc/W40czS4h/Screenshot-2020-09-22-at-3-10-37-PM.png

[xrodmuc316]

It's amazing that Vince fired Heyman to bump the ratings for a few weeks. This Retribution garbage is legit end of WCW Boy Band Tank Abbott Fat Chick Thiller Mike Awesome bad.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE has been “end of WCW” bad for a really long time. They just get a pass because they’re the only game in town with any real name recognition.

[slik]

Wow!

AEW's mini special, that aired on 12:40 AM and 11:40 PM in half the U.S. was able to pull in 585k viewers and still come in 9th for the evening in cable tv ratings.

https://i.postimg.cc/wBXpT3np/Final-Cable-2020-Sep-22-TUE.png

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW fans don't have jobs so that's not a surprise.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I have a job you turd (even tho I didn't watch)!

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah I wasn't staying up until 1:30am to watch Tye Dillinger vs Evan Bourne...

[slik]

Both AEW/NXT did better than I thought they would, I thought cable news would take more viewers from each.


AEW - 835k
NXT - 696k


https://i.postimg.cc/PqTLTP5G/aew.png

[slik]

If you combine the ratings you have 1.592 million, which is only 75k less viewers than RAW on Monday.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's the same people flipping back and forth

[Sepholio]

I imagine a big chunk of those viewers for that extra late night show on Tuesday either fell asleep watching the basketball game because of the time or were too lazy to change the channel. I don't doubt they'd have pulled those, probably better, numbers if they ran earlier. But at that time of night? Nawwwww.

[weather vane]

You hate to see it...

[slik]

2.032 million for brand blue this week


http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fast-Demo-2020-Sep-25-FRI.png

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, 2 and a half times higher than AEW

R.I.P

[slik]

RAW went UP this week for the post-ppv edition

1.822 million

https://i.postimg.cc/KzmLZnCH/raw.png

[xrodmuc316]

RAW went UP this week for the post-ppv edition

1.822 million

https://i.postimg.cc/KzmLZnCH/raw.png

Vince should send a thank you note to Patrick Mahomes for so soundly out playing Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

[slik]

Mahomes vs Reigns for Tribal CHIEF at WM

[xrodmuc316]

Mahomes vs Reigns for Tribal CHIEF at WM

You jest, but Mahomes is so talented, I wouldn't doubt for one second that he would be able to pull it off!

[slik]

AEW - 866k
NXT - 732k


https://i.postimg.cc/gJNCjzxy/Final-Cable-2020-Sep-30-WED.png

[weather vane]

These guys can’t stop winning the WAR!!!! Unstoppable.

[xrodmuc316]

These guys can’t stop winning the WAR!!!! Unstoppable.

When Nitro beat Raw, they were getting a 4.5 rating and winning by 1.5 million viewers. A .86 rating, well that doesn't feel like much of a win.


THIS is why it doesn't matter.

[xrodmuc316]

Also South Park MURDERED them both lmao.

[weather vane]

Hahahaha

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ouch.

[slik]

2.04 million for the Tribal Chief's show this week

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Fast-Demo-2020-Oct-02-FRI.png

[slik]

Impact Ratings revealed



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've gotten a hold of weekly Impact Wrestling viewership on AXS TV.<br><br>Little was previously known about Impact viewership. It doesn't get reported on Showbuzzdaily. Some data has been reported by PWTorch. I've previously tweeted monthly data. <a href="https://t.co/RiW4lUqwcO">pic.twitter.com/RiW4lUqwcO</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1312445927827759105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

That's actually more than I was expecting. Good for Impact. They've really done well with the resources they have.

[drave]

Weren't they dangling by a thread for 2 years or so?

[slik]

I think they are always sort of dangling by a thread tbh, it's kind of their thing

But Impact will also somehow outlive WWE, AEW, ROH, MLW and everything else in North America.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's already lapped WCW

[slik]

1.686 million this week for RAW


https://i.postimg.cc/RZWXNXVs/raw.png

[slik]

VP debate conquered tv ratings w/ over 50 million viewers across all mediums

AEW - 753k (#19 for the evening)
NXT - 639k (#56 for the evening)


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[weather vane]

Just continued domination from AEW. You hate to see it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People would rather watch a debate they can get the skinny of on their phone than wrestling. How frivolous it has become.

[drave]

lol at that ^

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol at that ^

?

Do you yanks really go in for that shit? There’s no saving your country.

[drave]

They watch for the same reason most NASCAR fans watch - to see the crash. They watch, but for the wrong reason.

[drave]

Also agree. Most people are too stupid to wear a fucking mask, let alone actually pay attention to what is actually happening right now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can get the best car crash bits from social media the next day without the parts you have no interest in seeing. And who doesn't know what these people stand for by this point?

[#1-norm-fan]

Old fucks are really into politics. They also happen to be the only people who still watch TV. So it makes sense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Old fucks are really into politics. They also happen to be the only people who still watch TV. So it makes sense.

Well yeah, but the old fucks aren’t watching AEW anyway.

[slik]

2.087 million for night 1 of the draft

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[slik]

Here's how the big 4 shows did this week

SD - 2.08 million
RAW - 1.68 million
AEW - 753k
NXT - 639k

[slik]

RAW got a draft bump this week

1.85 million


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[XL]

You can get the best car crash bits from social media the next day without the parts you have no interest in seeing. And who doesn't know what these people stand for by this point?

This also stands for wrestling though. Nothing is “must see”. The bit about knowing what “these people stand for” also rings true.