Ratings Thread

[slik]

1.59 million for RAW

3rd hour 1.413 million, just slightly above the 1.409 million Dynamite debuted with

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

At this point I think that’s just the reality of a 3hr show on Monday.

[weather vane]

Ughh. I don’t really want to see WWE die. This is tough.

[Sepholio]

lol As soon as Monday Night Football is over they'll go right back up to where they were before it started and you all know it. This happens every year. They are competing for the same audience and football is a way bigger deal.

[Sepholio]

They def might want to reconsider the 3rd hour at some point though.

[Sepholio]

3rd hour was doomed once rasslin shows in general started doing their big angles earlier in the show. All the cool shit has already happened and the possibility of an overrun is gone. There is no reason to stay up to 11 anymore.

Very similar to the gripe I have of AEW blowing their load early more often than not. Especially when everything is announced in advance. When I know what you're doing and I know all the good stuff is over, I can tune out.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol As soon as Monday Night Football is over they'll go right back up to where they were before it started and you all know it. This happens every year. They are competing for the same audience and football is a way bigger deal.

You are right. But also, back in the BAH GAH HEYDAY, football wasn't quite the issue for them as it is now. In fact, WWF was becoming a problem for Monday Night Football IIRC. I'm sure the competition hurt them a bit but not nearly in the way it does now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the time you get to the end of 3 hours, things have lost importance. But we’re like a decade in and USA wants that time. Dialing the show back would help numbers, but I don’t think either party really cares. WWE sells shorter versions of the show internationally (sometimes in edition to the live 3 hr version).

[slik]

1.04 million for Dynamite

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oof.

[XL]

Up!? Guess the backstage drama brings eyes to the show. Certainly wasn’t the lead in from last week’s episode.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s 2 more Nielsen boxes who tuned in this week because they felt bad about last week’s number.

[Destor]

Up!? Guess the backstage drama brings eyes to the show. Certainly wasn’t the lead in from last week’s episode.twitter, if used properly, could lead to very compelling angles. Shame they are afraid of real heat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hardly anyone in the wrestling bubble even half-heartedly tries to use Twitter correctly.

Why social media policies in wrestling companies aren’t a norm is weird to me.

[screech]

twitter, if used properly, could lead to very compelling angles. Shame they are afraid of real heat.

It seems weird but yeah how easy it is to start an angle via a tweet is crazy. More rasslers should run with it.

[drave]

twitter, if used properly, could lead to very compelling angles. Shame they are afraid of real heat.




Reminds me when I was a kid, my best friend's dad was a local wrestler for a decently big fed here (cant remember the name now).


He had a few characters he'd play, but when he played his heel character, it was baaaaaaad.


A few times, we had event security escort us to his car long before the show ended because of it. Wild, scary for a kid, but good god it was fun.




This type of heat needs to happen more. The closest example of recent interactions would be Riddle & Rollins, which has been awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did the football suck this week? If not, this Raw generated a bit of interest. 1.824 mil. DX was advertised, as was Seth/Lashley. Bray Wyatt’s return possibly garnered some buzz and Sami Zayn carried the day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rampage: 404k

Battle of the Belts: 317k

[Bad News Gertner]

1.82 for Raw.

Man, the ratings just keep going up and up!

[Sepholio]

RAW against MNF did 5x the average of Rampage/BotB4 lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s close though.

[xrodmuc316]

RAW against MNF did 5x the average of Rampage/BotB4 lol

Seph being a bad faith actor, Rampage freakin won the Friday Night Wars, ask Jerry McDevitttttttttttt!!!!! :fu: :mad::rant:

:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

SmackDown only got 2.243 million. Compared to AEW’s 361k? I think it’s safe to say that AEW won where it matters.

[Sepholio]

2 months worth of ratings in 1 night haha

[Sepholio]

Its kinda ridiculous to think just how super easy it would be for AEW to boost Rampages ratings by treating it as importantly as Dynamite instead of it being the red headed b-show. Fuck off with the treating ROH as a different brand at this point and getting more TV slots, thats just laughable. If you want the branding, then stick it on Rampage, see if you can get 2 hours, and make it a better show with the big names attached to RoH and for gods sake MIRO, among others, and treat it seriously. Oh and maybe go live with it. Would also be good if they could somehow manage to move off of Friday and maybe get a 9-11 slot instead of 10-12 if they do get it to 2 hours.

I doubt it will give them some huge mega boost, but damn if it wouldn't get them up some.

[Sepholio]

lol thinking back to how petty they were during the Monday night wars and how funny it would be if the SD announcers started reading the Rampage spoilers every week on air.

[XL]

I’m not sure how salvageable Rampage is at this point. Even AEW fans aren’t biting. It’d be like WWE putting some decent stuff on Main Event.

[drave]

I think their main issue is the shit time slot. I tend to watch Dynamite, even if I have no plans to because of the time it is on.


Rampage.... Friday at 10 - I'm most definitely doing other shit and forget about it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I like AEW and I skip rampage most weeks. If Jade or Hook are on I’ll catch the replay on the app but other than that I don’t care what happens on it. The time slot being the biggest issue. Sure they could elevate its importance with bigger matches and things of importance happening, but nobody will care with that time slot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The time slot isn’t good, but that’s the time slot they command. Wrestling fans aren’t perceived to have social lives, so they can put Rampage on then and the idea is that virginal wrestling fans will follow it.

The show is bad and predictable though. There isn’t legitimate hunger for more AEW. It’s pretty safe as far as original programming goes, but when WBD figures out they can put reruns of Young Sheldon on then or that the 3 people who watch whatever else they put there are worth those 300k wrestling fans? We’ll see what happens then.

[XL]

1.82 for Raw.

Man, the ratings just keep going up and up and down and up and up and up and down and down and down and up and down and up

At least since HHH took over that is.

[slik]

983k for Canada DYNAMITE Canada

[Verbose Minch]

983k for Canada DYNAMITE Canada

In the face of all of cable being down 10% from 2021, AEW posts tremendous YOY growth from 2021 that bucks the trends. No wonder Warner is very excited to stay with AEW and continue working with the company for the foreseeable future!

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6wtlmh.gif

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao they only beat NXT by 200,000

[Jordan]

I know a lot of people were taking off from Wrestling last night because baseball!

[Bad News Gertner]

Just excuses for a poor show

[slik]

I had Dynamite on mute and was watching this during hour 1...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RHOBH?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RHOBH</a> exploded in the ratings last night. 1.43 mil people watched Garcelle tell Diana to stop being so obsessed with her ���� <a href="https://t.co/sQDx1bCFni">https://t.co/sQDx1bCFni</a></p>&mdash; Queens of Bravo (@queensofbravo) <a href="https://twitter.com/queensofbravo/status/1580652418668572672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, holy shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

SmackDown: 2.274 million

Rampage: 458k

Another Friday Night War won by AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dynamite: 752k

NXT: 676k

Embarrassingly close.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan will be doing somersaults like this is the greatest upset in the history of sports.

[Sepholio]

Winning bigly, BAYBAY

[xrodmuc316]

LOL Dynamite down a quarter of their audience, Tiny Khan still snorts coke to celebrate beating NXT by 75,000 lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao millions and millions spent to beat Developmental by 75000

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think NXT could make a real run at AEW with only minimal changes.

[Verbose Minch]

AEW is displaced from their normal night, and Hunter stacks his show in a desperate bid to finally have NXT go over, yet he still manages to lose in the ratings. Another win for the good guys!

[xrodmuc316]

AEW is displaced from their normal night, and Hunter stacks his show in a desperate bid to finally have NXT go over, yet he still manages to lose in the ratings. Another win for the good guys!

Hunter stacked the show with 4 Title matches? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

LolAEW

[#1-norm-fan]

AEW is displaced from their normal night, and Hunter stacks his show in a desperate bid to finally have NXT go over, yet he still manages to lose in the ratings. Another win for the good guys!

You know The Dipshit Duo was watching all those main roster guys show up on NXT in their regular time slot ready to celebrate over the ratings victory.

Just imagine the disappointment that flooded over them when they refreshed their preferred sheet-writer’s Twitter for the 200th time and the numbers finally showed up.

Oh, to be one of the many flies on the wall in those basements.

[Verbose Minch]

You know The Dipshit Duo was watching all those main roster guys show up on NXT in their regular time slot ready to celebrate over the ratings victory.

Just imagine the disappointment that flooded over them when they refreshed their preferred sheet-writer’s Twitter for the 200th time and the numbers finally showed up.

Oh, to be one of the many flies on the wall in those basements.

The smell in those basements is something well beyond man's comprehension

[ron the dial]

call someone a neckbeard next!

[#1-norm-fan]

I would never. I hate shaving. Envious of neckbeards.

[ron the dial]

i just trimmed mine down last night and i feel like samson after his haircut

[#1-norm-fan]

I usually do the Kurt Warner stubble with a clean neck look. End up with razor burn a lot on account of my baby-smooth skin. I always wonder why I bother.

[ron the dial]

i'm growing my winter wizard beard in but it needed a bit of shaping. but i also usually shave off the neckbeard during the warmer months. it's just not cool enough in this basement!

[ron the dial]

but anyway..... how about those ratings.....

[xrodmuc316]

OHHHHH NO IT IS NOT FAIR NXT HAD 4 MAIN ROSTER PEOPLE JUST TO HURT POOR AEW AND THEIR ENTIRE SHOW OF MAIN ROSTER PEOPLE WITH 4 TITLE MATCHES, FUCK NXT!!

Since Minch quoted, I have to ask, how is this Phil lover STILL crying this much over NXT, legit?

[ron the dial]

look at this BDV :roll:

[#1-norm-fan]

Well that’s one way to comprehend words.

[Vastardikai]

The Good Brothers didn't mean shit to AEW. Them in NXT are magically Ultraover Uberstars. Does this mean that they succeed in an environment where they aren't allowed to fuck around needlessly and are booked to their abilities? Nah, Tony is BOOKER OF THE YEAR!

[xrodmuc316]

The Good Brothers didn't mean shit to AEW. Them in NXT are magically Ultraover Uberstars. Does this mean that they succeed in an environment where they aren't allowed to fuck around needlessly and are booked to their abilities? Nah, Tony is BOOKER OF THE YEAR!

Careful Spil, you are getting awfully close to somebody throwing devastating insults at you such as you live in a basement and/or smell bad. :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

OHHH I know, let's find another poster with a similar opinion, and then lets pretend they are in love with each other, and engaged in a homosexual relationship, that will show them my opinion is right and their opinion is wrong! AEW4LIFE!!!!!! #PHILBROOOOOOOOOOOOKS!!!!!!!! #THANKYOUTONY<3

[ron the dial]

you can be in love and it not have anything to do with homosexuality, xrod.

[xrodmuc316]

you can be in love and it not have anything to do with homosexuality, xrod.

Not according to the "Argument winning playbook at TPWW", it is all inclusive of that monumental winning debate formula.

[ron the dial]

well at least you're comfortable being gay very proud of ya

[xrodmuc316]

well at least you're comfortable being gay very proud of ya

No no, I am not gay, that is why calling me gay is supposed to be such an insult. Did you skip out on Middle School Ron??? This is basic 12 year old mentality stuff!

[ron the dial]

nah you and noid are definitely e-lovers what you're saying doesn't track bud

[#1-norm-fan]

I think people would wonder if you were secretly in love with Punk based on your obsession and would call you and Noid lovers regardless of if you were the same sex or not.

You seem to focus on the gay aspect though.

You a bit homophobic or…?

[Fignuts]

I think I was the one who started it, but I wasn't even making a joke about homosexuality. I was baffled why someone would talk so much about someone they claim to hate, and the whole thing just reminded me of schoolgirl crushes.

All that said, if you can't handle a little ball busting, you're on the wrong forum.

[ron the dial]

i'm honestly not even busting balls. i think noid and xrod are hella cute and i've been on the record about that for a while now.

[ron the dial]

You guys are still acknowledging the try hards. For shame.

Have they 69’d yet?

i did just nominate them for Cutest Couple

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, the Legion of Doom continuing to own all the Tony Khan sheep.

Bah bah bitches.

[xrodmuc316]

I think I was the one who started it, but I wasn't even making a joke about homosexuality. I was baffled why someone would talk so much about someone they claim to hate, and the whole thing just reminded me of schoolgirl crushes.

All that said, if you can't handle a little ball busting, you're on the wrong forum.

Ask Fan, he posts about me all the time :-\

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wow, the insecurity is strong with some folks. The nerves are real. But hey, the truth always comes out.

The homophobia is runnin’ wild. You can deny it was meant as such, but it’s not a good look regardless. Make an actual point. People have been criticizing WWE on here for 20+ years. It’s been totally fine to say it sucks. It’s fair play for AEW too. And if it didn’t suck, there would be better defenses for it, not just “Lol, xrod and Noid! Lol! What gay losers! As if you would!” Make a point or accept it is your balls in the vise.

I noticed #1-aew-stan had disappeared for a bit. It was just as most people with common sense edged away from praising AEW. This is someone who needs the fair weather and has dared excuse people in the past of “needing allies.” Of course he doesn’t come back with a point. He comes back with a baseless attack to protect his precious. No one thought NXT would win, dude. They get 700k on a good Tuesday. It turns out AEW does too. That’s really rattled some people.

[Verbose Minch]

Even displaced from their normal night, AEW shows tremendous YOY growth. Another win for the good guys!

[Fignuts]

Ask Fan, he posts about me all the time :-\

In fairness, we've given him guff in the past, for how much he gets into it with people.

[ron the dial]

call someone a neckbeard next!

i did it right here as a matter of fact

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even displaced from their normal night, AEW shows tremendous YOY growth. Another win for the good guys!

You mean last year when it got kicked to another night because of baseball and did almost as well on a Saturday?

[Mr. Nerfect]

In fairness, we've given him guff in the past, for how much he gets into it with people.

And he can barely take those extra light jabs. That leads to defensive joking (needing to get everyone except his targets on side). See how he crumbles under anything heavier. And people know it so they tread soft with his suck-up ass.

That dude needs approval more than anyone else on these boards.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry, I’m being a bully to the guy. But he’s a worm and I think everyone sees it and refuses to call it because they know he can’t take it as well as he likes to think he can dish it out.

[ron the dial]

you take this shit too seriously

[Mr. Nerfect]

you take this shit too seriously

No, I really don’t. I just don’t do the insecure joking to indicate I don’t take y’all seriously.

I take my rasslin’ seriously. Love my rasslin’. Hate when it sucks. Will tell the truth, make bitches cry. THEY’RE the ones taking it too seriously.

[Fignuts]

I don't think anyone is losing sleep over arguements on tpww, no matter how heated it gets.

[xrodmuc316]

I don't think anyone is losing sleep over arguements on tpww, no matter how heated it gets.

To be fair, can one really lose sleep over TPWW if they are already staying up at night crying over how mean the Elite are by screwing over "MUHPHIL"? YES Fan, you are already up crying to you Phil posters regardless of what mean thing we post about Phil here :rofl:

[Fignuts]

To be faaaaaaaiiiiiirrrrrrr

[#1-norm-fan]

Ask Fan, he posts about me all the time :-\

You’ve pretended to ignore me 3 times, been caught each time and I’m still your 3rd favorite topic after Punk and Tony.

Try harder.

[#1-norm-fan]

This is someone who needs the fair weather and has dared excuse people in the past of “needing allies.”

Lol Every time I call you out for a personality trait you clearly exhibit, you just randomly claim “No, you” with no evidence. It’s your weird “It’s true because I said it.” thing.

I get equal or more shit for engaging you jackasses than I do praise. I do it for me because I find you gross and think your type needs to be shamed. Also…

The homophobia is runnin’ wild.

Are you saying that to stick up for your ally or because you actually believe it? Let’s find out. Call out transphobia now…

Possession is 9/10th of the law, except possessing male genitals, then it does not count?

[xrodmuc316]

Ummmm, LOL WHAT?!?

Bro I gotta give it to you, the skill to just completely try and throw any wild actuation out to distract from the actual discussion is beautiful.

Seriously Fan, what makes you think calling out one person's lack of irony makes me transphobic? Is it because the person happens to be transgender?

Was there any indication that I had a problem with Transgender people whatsoever? Was there any indication I had a problem with Nyla Rose based on anything other than her lack of irony?

Don't be such a shitty person.

[#1-norm-fan]

…

Man, I am biting my tongue momentarily because I don’t want to get too far off-point before Noid gets the chance to respond to that. But holy fuck…

[xrodmuc316]

He should call out transphobia if it occurs, but just because you want to pretend somebody is transphobic does not make it so.

[#1-norm-fan]

Honestly, I wasn’t really concerned so much with pointing out transphobia. I was pointing out that Noid’s standards for that kind of shit change drastically depending on who says it for obvious reasons.

Then you went on to explain yourself… And how you weren’t calling a trans woman out for being trans… You were calling a trans woman out for “lacking irony” because she dared to mention the importance of possession despite possessing a penis and calling herself a woman… And then you ended it with telling me not to be a shitty person.

If your goal was to take the attention off of your man, congrats. I’m now less interested in Noid’s moral inconsistency than I am in you explaining yourself. As many times as possible.

[Triple A]

Lots of AEW commercials on this Yankees playoff game on TBS

[Mr. Nerfect]

TBS desperate to get the word out about this dying product.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He should call out transphobia if it occurs, but just because you want to pretend somebody is transphobic does not make it so.

Lol, wtf is that cunt going on about? Is he trying to label me transphobic because I called out the casual homophobic? Fuck homophobic, fuck transphobia and fuck #1-wwf-fan. I’ll call out all the shit, and the biggest shit is him.

AEW sucks, bro. Deal with it.

[xrodmuc316]

Lol, wtf is that cunt going on about? Is he trying to label me transphobic because I called out the casual homophobic? Fuck homophobic, fuck transphobia and fuck #1-wwf-fan. I’ll call out all the shit, and the biggest shit is him.

AEW sucks, bro. Deal with it.

No no, Fan decided that I am transphobic because that is a good misdirection maybe??? You are a hypocrite for not calling me out for Fan believing I am transphobic, because we are allied homesexuals apparently.

I know following Fan's logic is rough, but really it boils down to this:

I LOVE CM PUNK AND TALKING IN CIRCLES BECAUSE FUCK YOU FOR NOT LOVING CM PUNK AND POINTING OUT HOW HE AND AEW AREN'T THE BEST!!!!!

[#1-norm-fan]

Thanks for proving my point with that blatant dodge, Mr. “Good faith conversation”. I expected nothing less from you. But your partner in derp is currently outpacing you.

[Sepholio]

Gonna be hilarious when we do a super ultra mega tpww meet up and the 3 of you disappear and then SlikJaw finds you having a soup kitchen in an abandoned car in the alley out back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No no, Fan decided that I am transphobic because that is a good misdirection maybe??? You are a hypocrite for not calling me out for Fan believing I am transphobic, because we are allied homesexuals apparently.

I know following Fan's logic is rough, but really it boils down to this:

Oh, what a piece of shit. I guess he can’t stick to the actual topic at hand when AEW sucks so bad.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol You brought up the topic of me constantly pointing out that you’re an ass-kisser desperate for allies. I brought up a glaring example of you saying shit to suck your man’s ass as opposed to having a “good faith conversation” and now you’re embarrassed and regretting it so you want to avoid the topic.

Trying to revert to trolling as a defense mechanism when you get caught in your web of bullshit doesn’t make you seem smarter.

[Sepholio]

I hear the faint sound of a nice minestrone simmering in the background.

[Sepholio]

Remember Battle of the Belts? That weekends episode of WOW drew more viewers. AEW won the demo though!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Battle of the Belts isn’t an opportunity like Clash of the Champions or Saturday Night Main Event, because AEW doesn’t have anything resembling pull, but it’s still a wasted opportunity to create some prestigious content.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Looking forward to AJ Lee’s promotion outdrawing AEW via the CW Network.

[xrodmuc316]

Remember Battle of the Belts? That weekends episode of WOW drew more viewers. AEW won the demo though!

Does that even matter though, Tony paid for the NWA Women's show (even if they didn't give him credit). Tony has done WAAAAAAAAAAY more for Women's wrestling than a Women's Wrestling Show :rant:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The women’s show is coming. Featuring the women who can hold eye contact with Tony. Or are friends with a woman who can maintain eye contact with Tony.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder if CM Punk and Billy Corgan would get along? I’ve heard Corgan can be difficult (don’t know anything about his music career honestly). Punk and Corgan joining forces with WOW, Dave McLane and ViacomCBS could lead to something substantial.

[Mr. Nerfect]

At some point, Triple H isn’t going to have room for talent either. They could use a #3 to feed under the table.

[slik]

RAW - 1.64 million

[xrodmuc316]

RAW - 1.64 million

Raw doubling up Dinomyte :eek: , somewhere Fan in a corner crying while looking for a Noid post from 2019 to repost... the classic GOTCHA!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Nope. I just need to go back about a week to embarrass the lovely couple. Keep randomly bringing me up in the hopes of getting an unchallenged “W” though. It’s your best bet.

[xrodmuc316]

Let me guess, he replied with a bunch of words about how he IS NOT in Shambles. Good ole reliable Fan :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Wait… We literally had a direct conversation like a week ago.

Did you forget or is this officially awkward fake ignore #4??

[Sepholio]

No, this is you taking the bait #27 :P

[xrodmuc316]

No, this is you taking the bait #27 :P

:yes:

[Sepholio]

I'm coming for the King's crown.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raw doubling up Dinomyte :eek: , somewhere Fan in a corner crying while looking for a Noid post from 2019 to repost... the classic GOTCHA!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

He won’t be able to hit anything back, so it’s got to go to some irrelevant place.

[#1-norm-fan]

No, this is you taking the bait #27 :P

I’m not up on my internet terms but there’s gotta be a word specifically for a guy who reverts to trolling occasionally to try to save face after he says something particularly dumb so that he can make it seem like he was trolling the entire time.

Let’s call it xrodding for now.

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm coming for the King's crown.

You should be trying to pick fights with Seanny for that. This is his year.

[Sepholio]

Yeah, his year to kiss my ring.

[xrodmuc316]

DYNAMITE!!!!!

https://i.imgflip.com/6yk22h.gif

[Sepholio]

But they were up 245k from last week!

[Lock Jaw]

Fan is IN SHAMBLES

[ron the dial]

fan only weeping from both ends

[ron the dial]

the weeping sphincter

[#1-norm-fan]

Let’s keep my medical issues out of this, please.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, the term “weeping sphincter” might somehow trigger cumdorx’ homophobia/transphobia and the awkward “saving face” cycle will begin again. We’re still in the midst of his current cycle despite Lock Jaw robbing him of his opportunity here.

[Lock Jaw]

I just get a kick out of the phrase "IN SHAMBLES"

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is IN SHAMBLES!

[drave]

the weeping sphincter




HEY!!!! Keep the pillow talk out of it.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dixie Carter is gonna buy AEW on the cheap the way things are going

[Destor]

I definitely have some serious questions about the longevity of AEW under WBD. They are throwing money around without a clear path to profit

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t know how long the vision for cable is. AEW could very easily survive by just being cheap content on a dying platform. They’ll celebrate getting renewed like it’s winning the SuperBowl, even if there is no notable increase in their revenue despite their spending going through the roof.

They just signed Bandido and Juice Robinson. It’s not stopping.

I don’t think you can trust WBD either. They’ll change their mind on how they want to market TBS and TNT next week if they want to, and that’s their prerogative.

AEW has had almost 4 years to get big enough to be more of a heavyweight. Whatever happens to them is kind of their fault.

[slik]

RAW jobbed to Halloween with 1.5 million

Hour 3 ended up with 1.36 million viewers

[slik]

SD - 835k
Rampage - 378k
RAW - 1.50 million

[weather vane]

Damn. RIP RAW?

[xrodmuc316]

Raw against Halloween and Monday Night Football only got 1.5 million.

Or in other words, a higher rating than any episode of Dynamite ever.

Faction "IN SHAMBLES" are actually in Shambles :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ruien]

Smackdown only did 835k? Wtf?

[xrodmuc316]

Smackdown only did 835k? Wtf?

On FS1*

[Ruien]

Oh. So SD only has a good rating when it is on FOX? Makes sense I guess. Wouldn't think the drop off would be 1 million.

[Ruien]

Pretty sure AEW is on some channel I don't even own and they are mocked.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t remember if that is good or not on FS1. I was under the impression they sometimes did 750k on FS1. But I may be misremembering.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That 3rd hr for Raw, outside of prime time on a Monday night, still spanking that Dynamite number.

[xrodmuc316]

Oh. So SD only has a good rating when it is on FOX? Makes sense I guess. Wouldn't think the drop off would be 1 million.

Yeah they usually lose around 60-65% of the audience when on FS1.

[Sepholio]

Thats the worst number on FS1 in at least the last 2-3 years. The usually anywhere from just under 900k to a little over a million.

[Sepholio]

Mind you FS1 was moved from basic cable packages to a higher tier for some service providers earlier this year. Less eyes on that channel in general now.

[weather vane]

Listen. WWE is dead. It’s over. Move on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Listen. WWE is dead. It’s over. Move on.

This isn’t the AEW thread. And you didn’t say AEW.

[ron the dial]

it isn't? he didn't?!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrong the dial

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn @ Dynamite beating Smackdown. The CULTISTS in SHAMBLES and TATTERS, BOILING over this turn of events (suffering from the dreaded boiling tatters).

philtinykoolaidbootnomillionroflroflrofl

[drave]

Wrong the dial




/Narc




OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[screech]

Listen. WWE is dead. It’s over. Move on.

damn RIP

[XL]

Mind you FS1 was moved from basic cable packages to a higher tier for some service providers earlier this year. Less eyes on that channel in general now.

Normal FOX on basic cable?

How much does this prove that casual fans do exist? Seems crazy to me that you wouldn’t just follow it across to the other channel.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As a kid, I would have found it, but I can understand why many people wouldn’t. There’s a huge difference between network and premium cable. It’s a change in routine, plus a lot of people (reasonably) probably don’t see the FS1 shows as big shows.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a bit like PPV. So many viewers didn’t watch them and would just tune in afterwards and would find out what happened.

It’s why AEW’s PPV conversion rate is a double-edged sword. On one hand, on the surface converting about 10% of your week-to-week audience is a very impressive portion. But the downside is that you’re probably not hitting that casual viewer that is going to boost you up in other metrics.

[Sepholio]

Normal FOX on basic cable?

How much does this prove that casual fans do exist? Seems crazy to me that you wouldn’t just follow it across to the other channel.

Well I mean unless you have premium tier cable you couldn't follow it across because you won't have FS1. Main Fox doesn't even require cable as it's a broadcast network like ABC/NBC/CBS.

[XL]

Ah I see.

[Bad News Gertner]

911,000 for Dynamite.

It never gets old watching XRodmuc and Noid being proven right every week

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, no surprise there.

AEW fans were like “The show’s doing fine without Punk.” A lot of people haven’t cottoned on that he’s gone. It’s back to the regular old AEW and its usual swings and misses.

Do they have a special show coming up to inflate the number?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wait, I forgot they have Jeff Jarrett, Colt Cabana and Katsuyori Shibata now. That will fix it.

[Bad News Gertner]

Scotty Goldman getting World Title shots lmao

[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

Lets take a stroll down memory lane!



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[Mr. Nerfect]

911k? Someone better call 911 for this company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Scotty Goldman getting World Title shots lmao

It’s that naughty CM Punk’s fault this didn’t happen earlier.

[drave]

Even if it weren't Punk's fault, the optics of the timing are pretty bad :|

[Sepholio]

0.29 in the KeY dEmO for AEDUB. Worst this year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are so many things wrong with the Colt Cabana story:

-Why force Tony to let his contract expire? Why not have him fired?

-How does it explain Colt Cabana not being used before Punk got there?

-Punk was so determined for Cabana to go that he forced him out…but didn’t care when he was saved? The effect of what he allegedly wanted didn’t happen.

-Why not other people in the company he didn’t like? Apparently he’s such a malcontent, why not get rid of Jay Lethal, for example?

-It’s a big gamble to go public and say you had nothing to do with it right next to the boss who would know you did but also said you didn’t.

-Does Tony Khan have absolutely no agency? Joking aside, it’s his call who is and isn’t in the company. This is like AJ Styles actually believing Paul Heyman got Gallows & Anderson cut. If CM Punk MADE Tony get rid of Colt, which didn’t actually happen, then what sort of indictment is that on AEW? I’d rather the story never got out at all.

It’s way more likely AEW is just petty and used him as a dig. If Randy Orton left WWE and they brought back Mr. Kennedy, what are you going to think: Orton conspired to keep the guy out of work and forced them not to use him while he was there, or that the company is just being petty and using someone when they’re mad at him? Come on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

0.29 in the KeY dEmO for AEDUB. Worst this year.

The last few are having birthdays.

[xrodmuc316]

The last few are having birthdays.

Exactly what I said would happen like 2 years ago, cant wait for Tiny to start hyping the 18-54 Canadian demo again lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven’t heard nearly as much hammering on about the demo as AEW’s fans age out of it. Granted, I block out a lot of what Dave says these days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Chris Jericho and Colt Cabana caused a 13% drop in the audience this week. Take that, Punk — you cancer!

[Ruien]

Is Punk still in AEW?

[#1-norm-fan]

The ratings were supposed to rise as soon as they got rid of him so… I guess he is?

[Ruien]

Who ended up being at fault for the whole CM Punk drama situation?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is Punk still in AEW?

Nothing official about his departure. Rumors suggest he is negotiating a buyout. Nick Hausman didn’t ask him (or his “camp”) specifically about this, but got the impression that he won’t be going back and has barely talked to AEW.

Who ended up being at fault for the whole CM Punk drama situation?

Dave Meltzer will tell you that it’s CM Punk. Colt Cabana being back and the company bringing back The Elite tells you that Punk kept Cabana off TV and The Elite didn’t do anything wrong. CM Punk negotiating a multi-million dollar buyout means he’s guilty.

Talent like Chris Jericho and Matt Hardy have been very vocal about not wanting Punk back and shovel the blame onto him too.

The Punk’s side has been quieter/doesn’t have any power in the company. I don’t believe the Elite side worth a shit. I mean, you can just read how illogical Dave’s conclusions are. Colt Cabana has been with the company and barely used since the beginning, and an investigation wasn’t necessarily ethical (Dave himself has said Lucy Guy, a witness to the incident, was not even questioned). The results of the investigation haven’t been made public either. They could have found Punk’s response proportionate and The Elite at fault, but Punk wants out and The Elite don’t.

Short story: The Elite are bullying/manipulating fuckheads that made Punk’s job hard, he cracked, lashed out — Punk’s probably the lesser evil but AEW is going to go with The Elite.

[Ruien]

Interesting. Losing CM Punk, as much as I don't like him personally, won't be good for AEW.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh boy. Oh gosh…

[Sepholio]

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[Destor]

If the anti-aew take was punk was in the wrong then that would be the take we'd have been reading in this thread for the past several weeks. Its anti-objectivity.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Interesting. Losing CM Punk, as much as I don't like him personally, won't be good for AEW.

The slant from AEW is suggesting that losing CM Punk is good because he’s terrible to have in the locker room — a disease, etc. But Chris Jericho’s top of the hour segment with Colt Cabana did lose 13% of viewers, so there’s that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If the anti-aew take was punk was in the wrong then that would be the take we'd have been reading in this thread for the past several weeks. Its anti-objectivity.

The AEW side is not objective. Anti-Punk sentiments run deep too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re not going to get any objective takes, Ruien. I gave you what’s being reported and what we know so far. I don’t think anyone would argue with how I’ve laid that out. It’s a close to objective as you’re going to get.

I’ll add on top that I don’t trust AEW, their investigation or The Elite. Not a giant Punk fan either. There’s likely to be more that plays out from this whole mess.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seph and Destor both have stiffies for anything that hurts Punk. I don’t think either of them would call that “objectivity.” That’s just a smokescreen anyway. Say what you really think.

[Ruien]

I don't think it matters really who is right or wrong. Losing CM Punk is losing star power.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think it matters really who is right or wrong. Losing CM Punk is losing star power.

The ratings haven’t nosedived, but they certainly aren’t helped by him not being there. Even the Meltzer camp has suggested that Punk was good for business — I don’t know if they are talking about more important metrics than Nielsen ratings. But even if the effects don’t seem great right now — we don’t know what things are going to be like when the average fan cottons on. Punk’s in that DNA now.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seph and Destor both have stiffies for anything that hurts Punk. I don’t think either of them would call that “objectivity.” That’s just a smokescreen anyway. Say what you really think.

I was just thinking about posters with ridiculous, irrational anti-Punk stiffies. Seph and Destor were the first two who came to mind. Can’t even think of a close third.

:shifty:

[Destor]

Elaborate on irrational

[Destor]

And ridiculous. Please be specific

[Sepholio]

*crickets*

[Fignuts]

If I recall correctly, destor's main point is that this kind of shit follows punk wherever he goes.

Nothing irrational about that. It's fact.

Personally, I favor WeX's outlook. They're all fucking children.

[Sepholio]

Fignuts get it.

If trouble follows you everywhere you go then you might just be the problem.

[Fignuts]

End of the day, the main person to blame here is tony khan. His, company, his talent, his fault things got to this point.

[Sepholio]

Also true.

[Sepholio]

He should have cut Punk off at the presser and then took him behind the curtain and told him that a company presser is not the place to air his grievances. Follow that up with a meeting between all parties with a mediator and legal to hash out their differences and come to an understand. Then work a fucking angle off of it and print money.

But he chose to sit there with coke glazed eyes looking like "What's going on? Why is my toy talking back? I didn't pay for this. Does anyone know where I can get some more coke?"

[xrodmuc316]

You don't have to be objective in order to be correct.

Punk is a no credibility having, bitter douchebag. He also never main evented Wrestlemania because he was not good enough. He looks like he smells bad, and is more fragile than the lamp from A Christmas Story.

[Sepholio]

Sometimes I wonder if Tony is legit scared to stand up to the guys. He acts like it. I think he thinks if he bucks up to them that they'll just kick his ass.

[Fignuts]

Tony should have hired Steve Blackman as talent relations.

One example being set would have been all it took to keep everyone in line.

[Fignuts]

The AEW side is not objective. Anti-Punk sentiments run deep too.

Sometimes I wonder if Tony is legit scared to stand up to the guys. He acts like it. I think he thinks if he bucks up to them that they'll just kick his ass.

Of course hes too scared. Hes too chicken shit to call them on the phone to tell them they're released. Hes not confronting anyone face to face.

[Sepholio]

I mean I readily admit I don't like Punk. I have no use for him beyond his mic skills. Always thought he was overrated and his massive ego shut the door on me reconsidering a long, long time ago.

The thing here is though...I don't like any of these dudes. Punk sucks, The Elite suck (although Kenny can put on some damn good matches from time to time), and TK sucks. They all fucking suck. I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't prefer any of them over the others. I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not going to make up stories about Jericho sleeping with Megha Parekh though and try to blame some of the fallout on that, so I feel I'm infinitely more objective about it than Noid who clearly just absolutely loathes the elite.

Trying to downplay Jerichos place in wrestling is just laughable. Dude is on the short list of people talked about when the GOAT topic comes up. He is better at every aspect of the game than any of these other clowns.

[Destor]

With this current issue: punks airing your grievances publicly burried the company. AEW comes out looking like busch league bullshit. And maybe it is. But you dont pull back the curtain and show the world.

The old adage "its better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

People's jobs are on the line here. We're talking not just the workers being hurt here but their families too. Being the top guy, especially in a young promotion thats just as likely to fold as it is to grow, is super serious. Its everything. You hold in your hands lives. Normal human lives.

"Page said some shit he shouldn't have publicly so fuck it i will too" is only justified if you're an unapologetic willful hypocrite. Punk is the veteran and the champion. He is THE guy. The role he's demanded his entire career as a matter of owed moral virtue. Everything he's ever claimed was his rightful place is at his feet.

Instead of putting the company over by being the strongest champion you can be you jeopardize the whole thing on a petty grudge. Save that for parking lot if it needs to be handled. Instead he casually risks the lively hood of every guy on the roster, least not of all the young guys who would never make a dime without AEW.

He cant possibly be the moral actor here. There likely isnt one for the record but it cant be him if one exists. Hes the champion with twice the experience. He has to be held to a higher standard than Page or the Bucks or whomever without question.

If he cant lead by example, and with the singular focus of elevating the company for the sake of all involved, he's unfit for the position and theyre better off without him.

And yes the self serving tantrums are Punks legacy. This isnt new. Its beyond a pattern. Its pathological. AEW might be shit. It might be the worst shit to ever be released to audeinces in the history of wrestling. Maybe all thats true. Its moot. It doesnt make Punk in the right here. Those things are unrelated. The elites actions ex post facto or otherwise are unrelated.

Ispo facto Punk stirred shit unprofessionally. Had he handled this very typical wrestling drama like a professional this wouldnt be a topic and the company would at least not have what i think we all agree, even if we point fingers in opposite directions, very visible black eye.

It shouldnt be shocking that veterans that don't want to work 300 days a year as their bodies break down with age dont want punk back. He's bad for business. Not because he cant get over but because you cant trust him with the spotlight.

[Destor]

If punk was half the talker he thinks he is he'd have spun every question to be about the company, the title and his future there in.

[Sepholio]

Destor wins.

Flawless victory.

FATALITY

[Destor]

And as far as what tribe im in im firmly in the tribe that makes as many well paying jobs in the business as possible. That shit aint it

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I recall correctly, destor's main point is that this kind of shit follows punk wherever he goes.

Nothing irrational about that. It's fact.

Personally, I favor WeX's outlook. They're all fucking children.

Correlation isn’t causation. I don’t agree with Punk’s gripes about WWE wholesale. But his issues there are different to the issues he has had in AEW. Paul Heyman has had issues everywhere he went before this WWE run. Omega and The Bucks have had issues.

Punk’s no doubt opinionated and when he was younger I don’t think he saw the bigger picture at all. But that doesn’t justify the mess AEW is.

End of the day, the main person to blame here is tony khan. His, company, his talent, his fault things got to this point.

Oh I agree with this. 100%. Part of the issue with Punk’s meltdown, in my opinion, is that Punk probably lent on Tony to clean this shit up with Page, The Elite and probably a bunch of other issues too (Thunder Rosa is experiencing shit right now, for example).

The World Champion of your company goes out on live television with a live mic and tries to bury you and diminish whatever drawing power you have. Ok, what are you going to do boss? Literally nothing? Fucking great.

He should have cut Punk off at the presser and then took him behind the curtain and told him that a company presser is not the place to air his grievances. Follow that up with a meeting between all parties with a mediator and legal to hash out their differences and come to an understand. Then work a fucking angle off of it and print money.

But he chose to sit there with coke glazed eyes looking like "What's going on? Why is my toy talking back? I didn't pay for this. Does anyone know where I can get some more coke?"

Don’t disagree with this at all. Buuuut, I’ll go a step forward and say these pressers are fucking stupid in conception. Don’t fucking do them. If you’re doing them, do them in fucking kayfabe.

But hey, like most things with Punk, what he said didn’t really break the fourth wall. He’s not programmed with The Elite, but it’s within the realm of kayfabe they’re EVPs.

The things he said that really buried the company, in my opinion, were suggesting Page hadn’t done anything in the business (burying the title). And if they were EVPs of mine (and they wouldn’t be), I’d take someone publicly discrediting them professionally as disrespecting my decisions to put people in those roles.

As a “work,” it made AEW look like an incompetent mess. That doesn’t help. But AEW does a good job of that themselves too.

You don't have to be objective in order to be correct.

Punk is a no credibility having, bitter douchebag. He also never main evented Wrestlemania because he was not good enough. He looks like he smells bad, and is more fragile than the lamp from A Christmas Story.

Everything you said here could be said about Kenny Omega too.

Sometimes I wonder if Tony is legit scared to stand up to the guys. He acts like it. I think he thinks if he bucks up to them that they'll just kick his ass.

I don’t think he’s afraid they’ll kick his ass. But there’s some issue there. It’s like he’s afraid to disappoint people, ignoring that they’re going to be disappointed when things go to shit whether or not he has the conversation beforehand. And they’ll probably be mad at him for avoiding that.

He’s terrible at managing people. People joke about them being action figures for him, but I kind of think he wishes they were like that. He doesn’t get their egos, the politics, etc. Some dudes are going to be happy sitting in the back just getting paid, some are going to want to go out there and show people what they can do.

I think the guy wants a legacy, and it to be a popular one, and this desire to please has him making too many promises he’s not going to be able to keep too.

Tony should have hired Steve Blackman as talent relations.

One example being set would have been all it took to keep everyone in line.

Is he any less qualified than anyone else with an executive position in that company?

I mean I readily admit I don't like Punk. I have no use for him beyond his mic skills. Always thought he was overrated and his massive ego shut the door on me reconsidering a long, long time ago.

The thing here is though...I don't like any of these dudes. Punk sucks, The Elite suck (although Kenny can put on some damn good matches from time to time), and TK sucks. They all fucking suck. I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't prefer any of them over the others. I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm not going to make up stories about Jericho sleeping with Megha Parekh though and try to blame some of the fallout on that, so I feel I'm infinitely more objective about it than Noid who clearly just absolutely loathes the elite.

Trying to downplay Jerichos place in wrestling is just laughable. Dude is on the short list of people talked about when the GOAT topic comes up. He is better at every aspect of the game than any of these other clowns.

I don’t like Punk that much either. You don’t get to pretend to be the only one without a horse lol. And you’re way overrating Jericho. Some people bring up Jericho as a GOAT, but he’s really not up there. That’s smark bullshit.

With this current issue: punks airing your grievances publicly burried the company. AEW comes out looking like busch league bullshit. And maybe it is. But you dont pull back the curtain and show the world.

The old adage "its better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

People's jobs are on the line here. We're talking not just the workers being hurt here but their families too. Being the top guy, especially in a young promotion thats just as likely to fold as it is to grow, is super serious. Its everything. You hold in your hands lives. Normal human lives.

"Page said some shit he shouldn't have publicly so fuck it i will too" is only justified if you're an unapologetic willful hypocrite. Punk is the veteran and the champion. He is THE guy. The role he's demanded his entire career as a matter of owed moral virtue. Everything he's ever claimed was his rightful place is at his feet.

Instead of putting the company over by being the strongest champion you can be you jeopardize the whole thing on a petty grudge. Save that for parking lot if it needs to be handled. Instead he casually risks the lively hood of every guy on the roster, least not of all the young guys who would never make a dime without AEW.

He cant possibly be the moral actor here. There likely isnt one for the record but it cant be him if one exists. Hes the champion with twice the experience. He has to be held to a higher standard than Page or the Bucks or whomever without question.

If he cant lead by example, and with the singular focus of elevating the company for the sake of all involved, he's unfit for the position and theyre better off without him.

And yes the self serving tantrums are Punks legacy. This isnt new. Its beyond a pattern. Its pathological. AEW might be shit. It might be the worst shit to ever be released to audeinces in the history of wrestling. Maybe all thats true. Its moot. It doesnt make Punk in the right here. Those things are unrelated. The elites actions ex post facto or otherwise are unrelated.

Ispo facto Punk stirred shit unprofessionally. Had he handled this very typical wrestling drama like a professional this wouldnt be a topic and the company would at least not have what i think we all agree, even if we point fingers in opposite directions, very visible black eye.

It shouldnt be shocking that veterans that don't want to work 300 days a year as their bodies break down with age dont want punk back. He's bad for business. Not because he cant get over but because you cant trust him with the spotlight.

I don’t disagree with your premise here, but I think that’s why Punk is angry. I genuinely think he tried to come in and make AEW better. And there’s a self-serving element to that. Punk’s always wrapped his drama in “I’m doing this for (x) too.” He’s said his walkout in 2014 was partially because Bryan wasn’t getting the big push. There could be truth to that, but it could be a convenient way to appear altruistic too.

Page going out there and doing what he did was ridiculous. He was champion then too. That’s where TK needs to step in. He didn’t. The internet thing is to say Punk got hurt, stewed on it for months and finally came up with a response. I think it’s way more reasonable to assume he was probably amazed at the bullshit, didn’t try to deal with it publicly and asked Tony to clean it up. That didn’t happen. I don’t agree with what Punk did in front of the cameras, but I can understand the frustration he must be feeling when nothing is done when it’s kept behind the scenes. And the marks all act like what is publicly known is the only truth anyway (the dog thing, Punk not doing anything until he fired back on Page, etc.).

A lot of people assume that Punk firing off on Page and in the press conference were Punk’s first responses to this stuff. I’m sure it was brewing for a long fucking time and Tony Khan was asked to fucking do something about it before I feel like I fucking have to.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If punk was half the talker he thinks he is he'd have spun every question to be about the company, the title and his future there in.

I agree with this. There was a better execution for sure. But what he did certainly did resonate. But he could have fired shots that built up his reign and other guys way better.

But then you’ve still got the problem of what happens when The Elite hear him do that, then target the guys he mentions or works with after that, and what TK is going to do to stop it. Which is nothing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And as far as what tribe im in im firmly in the tribe that makes as many well paying jobs in the business as possible. That shit aint it

It’s funny, because that’s why I take CM Punk’s side in this instance.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was just thinking about posters with ridiculous, irrational anti-Punk stiffies. Seph and Destor were the first two who came to mind. Can’t even think of a close third.

I have returned to add a “:shifty:” to this post.

[#1-norm-fan]

Trying to downplay Jerichos place in wrestling is just laughable. Dude is on the short list of people talked about when the GOAT topic comes up. He is better at every aspect of the game than any of these other clowns.

This is a point I’d like to discuss though IF I CAN BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT. I like Jericho as a performer even now. But I see his name and “GOAT” mentioned entirely too much lately and that’s just… insanity.

[Fignuts]

He's not the GOAT, but he's good enough that he could be on people's personal shortlist, as seph said.

[Fignuts]

Here's a question. Did Punk ever confront Page directly over his promo, or did he just tell Tony to deal with it?

[LibSuperstar]

This is a point I’d like to discuss though IF I CAN BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT. I like Jericho as a performer even now. But I see his name and “GOAT” mentioned entirely too much lately and that’s just… insanity.

Longevity and reinvention are often the reasons I see given.

[Destor]

@noid my post wasnt intended to launch a debate. We've both clearly thought the topic through and are entrenched in our conclusions. I think my stance speaks for itself well enough. My posts intent was clearly establish that my stance is neither irrational or ridiculous. Disagree with my take, fair enough, but rationality shouldnt be up for debate.

[Destor]

(And this is of course after realizing that fan was not being serious)

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's not the GOAT, but he's good enough that he could be on people's personal shortlist, as seph said.

I can agree with this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Here's a question. Did Punk ever confront Page directly over his promo, or did he just tell Tony to deal with it?

We don’t know. But it’s not objective to say that he didn’t because you don’t like the guy — which I see people doing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

@noid my post wasnt intended to launch a debate. We've both clearly thought the topic through and are entrenched in our conclusions. I think my stance speaks for itself well enough. My posts intent was clearly establish that my stance is neither irrational or ridiculous. Disagree with my take, fair enough, but rationality shouldnt be up for debate.

That’s fair. You’ve definitely thought things through. I don’t think I ever said you were irrational, sorry if I did.

[xrodmuc316]

Knock Knock
Who's There?
930,000
930,000 Who?
930,000 FAN IN SHAMBLES!!!!!!


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[#1-norm-fan]

Oh dear. Very glad he still has the energy to create a meme. But we may be down to days. Maybe hours. Heavens to Betsy.

[Sepholio]

Fan has never seen bait he didn't like.

LOVE YOU :kiss:

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, WWE Afterburn thinks those ratings are sad

[#1-norm-fan]

What’s trolli- I mean baiting?

[xrodmuc316]

Fan has never seen bait he didn't like.

LOVE YOU :kiss:

Fan is like a Shark finding Chum, he is gonna eat that Chum and then tell you all about how great CM Phil is :rofl::rofl::rofl: BOOOOOOOOOOM!

[Sepholio]

Nah, he's gonna say the guy telling him to stop eating chum is the reason he is eating chum -_- :shifty:

[Sepholio]

IT WAS ME FAN. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG. I AM THE HOLDER OF THE CHUM BUCKET.

[Sepholio]

something something something MAN SHAMBLES

[#1-norm-fan]

Is MAN SHAMBLES a reference to Xrod being furious that Nyla Rose calls herself a woman even though she has a cock?

Not cool, Seph. Guy’s dying. The trolling defense mechanism is a very late stage symptom. He’s a ticking time bomb. The red wave not coming yesterday has likely left him bedridden.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re rising like dough, baby.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People making fun of AEW’s rating online make me so mad. :fu:

Is Raw still getting 4 million viewers? If no…SHUT UP!

[Mr. Nerfect]

818k is a tremendous number.

[xrodmuc316]

Yo sneak peek of #1Fan coming into the thread to see the Full Gear go home rating.

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:rofl::lol::rofl::lol::rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

Haha that's totally him!

[#1-norm-fan]

Looks like xrod when he sees a trans woman use a womens bathroom.

Or when he sees his tactic of “trolling” to try shame me into not responding and reminding him he’s retarded is failing.

;)

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

xrod, you are being too hard on AEW. It’s the second most watched promotion in America.

[ron the dial]

this is a great color on you

[#1-norm-fan]

Gertner’s got the proper defense. He embraces the fact that he’s a bit retarded. Makes him bulletproof. All you can do shrug and join him in watching a bunch of rednecks, coke heads and midgets have a food fight at a wedding reception.

[Mr. Nerfect]

880k for Dynamite.

[#1-norm-fan]

Man. Any big AEW fans who pushed the idea that Punk was ratings poison as part of a method to help detract from their uncomfortable desire to nuzzle their nose on his taint are gonna have to REALLY lean into a troll gimmick to try to save face now.

[Bad News Gertner]

870,000 for Dynamite.



Oooooooooooo

[Bad News Gertner]

It's really amazing how correct Noid and xrodmuc have been

[xrodmuc316]

IT'S THURSDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!

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Poor #1Fan in the toilet again :'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

At least nobody is watching to see AEW suck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The advertised matches felt like an edition of Rampage. Tony Khan has spent so long making sure nothing matters that he can’t suddenly click his fingers and make things important. It's hard to make people care again.

[Volchok]

I stopped watching after punk left

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think a lot of people smelt the bullshit there.

[Volchok]

Can't stand the bucks, instant turn the channel from me with them

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re not alone. You’d think even their most ardent proponents would admit that about them. The people who can’t stand them can’t stand them for reasons, but that’s constantly ignored by people who want to pretend they’re revolutionizing wrestling or whatever.