Marvel Universe Thread

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah... but two episodes in and I just want to get to the real plot....

Not sure about this format....

A movie would have shown a bit then revealed what was happening pretty quick...

But now we have to sit through multiple episodes of sitcom eras with sinister undertones... before getting to the real plot/story...

[wwe2222]

There a lot more to these episodes than just going through eras of sitcoms. Check out the Screen Crush recaps on YouTube.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, lots of hints and stuff about the plot... just sayin' that a movie we wouldn't have to sit through multiple episodes of hinting the real plot, and things would just move "faster"....

I mean I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, just saying that the tv format can drag things out just because...

[M-A-G]

I felt like I was watching a classic sitcom almost beat by beat. They really nailed it even down to the way those shows were acted.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, it was very good at giving off that classic feel

[Blonde Moment]

It's a good format but I think the story they are attempting to tell just isn't made for this generation of viewers. I mean the title of the series alone should be a hint that something is off.

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like Wanda is going to "snap" and become a "badass submission machine" before this is over

[Blonde Moment]

I think this is a Hydra plot gone bad causing her to snap and the townsfolk are her captives with Vision being something she created. This is her chance at happiness with the Pregnancy perhaps a result of her trying to rush things along before its forced to come to an end. perhaps Dr Strange movie will deal with the clean up.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/0/04/57fe82a6ae8cf/portrait_uncanny.jpg

Still my fave mini series.

[Lock Jaw]

Hot episode of WandaVisison

https://i.imgur.com/6s3PC5F.gif

[M-A-G]

Hot episode of WandaVisison

https://i.imgur.com/6s3PC5F.gif

It was nice to have them tie things to Captain Marvel even though Maria Rambeau kind of gets the shaft. Randall Park as Agent Woo was also welcome. It's nice that he finally learned that card trick. :)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Just started WandaVision. Idk wtf is happening but I'm enjoying myself

[M-A-G]

Just started WandaVision. Idk wtf is happening but I'm enjoying myself

The ending of that latest episode, though...:eek:

[Lock Jaw]

Bout to start the latest episode....

[Lock Jaw]

"Whoa" at that end

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Just started......

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Damn that ending! An awesome but sad surprise. The possibilities.

[slik]

Marvel revealed that the Phoenix Force had an affair with Odin and is actually Thor's mother in the comics recently.

[Lock Jaw]

That damn jezebelle

[M-A-G]

Marvel revealed that the Phoenix Force had an affair with Odin and is actually Thor's mother in the comics recently.

The Phoenix Force is such a slut.

[M-A-G]

Man was it hard to enjoy that new Falcon and Winter Soldier trailer with this massive, throbbing erection in the way.

[Lock Jaw]

Was it Sebastian Stan or Anthony Mackie that did it for you?

[Shadow]

Why not both?

*Mexican Celebration Music*

[joshwoodsrohfandm]

Word on the internets is that Chris Evans is in talks to come back as Cap.

I'm all for that!

Could also do Human Torch again since Marvel has the rights back; could even do multiverse cap meets human torch, I'm sure it can be done. Even Captain Hydra personality as the member of the Hydra squad in an alternate timeline; plenty of options.

[M-A-G]

Was it Sebastian Stan or Anthony Mackie that did it for you?

I mean, no way it was Emily Van Camp, right?:roll:

























But, yeah, it was Mackie. :o

[RP]

Emily Van Camp can kick a hole in my dick, shit it in and feed it too my as a shit dick burrito.

[slik]

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[Lock Jaw]

Feel like if Morbius sucks (as in the film bombs and not as in if he sucks blood) then they might shelve their plans....

Feel like Venom... ok, he is a big enough name that you can spin him off (still haven't seen it).... but who the F wants solo Morbius or Kraven movies.....

[RP]

I guess if it leads to them doing Kravens Last Hunt in the next Spider-Man. Sure.

[Rammsteinmad]

Rumour going around is that Chris Evans might reprise his role as the Human Torch for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

[Rammsteinmad]

These are crazy and exciting times we're living in.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Fignuts]

The King in Black has been epic as fuck so far. The cliffhanger at the end of issue 4 is amazing.

Venom stuff continues to fucking slap.

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like I've been reading headlines about King in Black for like... a year. How long has it been going on?!

[Sixx]

Durny laptop. Jak chcę coś opublikować to nie mogę, a jak nie to wszystko się publikuje.

[Fignuts]

Feel like I've been reading headlines about King in Black for like... a year. How long has it been going on?!

They've been building to it in Venom for around 3 years. It's some of the best long term booking I've seen in a comic, and the payoff has been great so far.

It's also one of the best examples of how retconning lore can be a really good thing.

[Fignuts]

Alfred Molina confirmed to be returning as Doctor Octopus in the next Spider-man movie, joining Jamie Foxx's Electro.

No confirmation of Maguire or Garfield yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're just holding off for the trailer.

[ClockShot]

Trailer for Shang Chi went up today.

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[Lock Jaw]

Already looks better than Iron Fist (and I was one of the only ones who enjoyed Iron Fist)

[M-A-G]

Mandarin should have been in Iron Man 3. :nono:

[Fignuts]

Actually wondering if that is the pirate queen Iron Fist in the forest scene, in some sort of flashback.

[RP]

Watching Iron Fist made me feel like i was being banged in my butt by Fignuts at a massage parlor.

[Fignuts]

So you enjoyed it?

[Fignuts]

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I'm honestly pretty excited to see what they do with Fantastic Four.

[M-A-G]

Thank God I wasn't in that Endgame audience.

[Rammsteinmad]

Cool trailer.

Stan Lee could have been a spokesmen for like, world peace or something. Everything about him just always seemed so rightous and pure.

[Sixx]

Cool trailer.

Stan Lee could have been a spokesmen for like, world peace or something. Everything about him just always seemed so rightous and pure.

How come you don't have three stars? We need to fix this.

[drave]

I did my part. Went through the first 2 pages of posts I found with search. Repped each one despite Christian avatar blinding me with sheer ugliness.

[Sixx]

Ha, done!

[M-A-G]

Yay, trailer for the second Venom movie. Basically we're getting what the first movie should have been...amongst other things.

[M-A-G]

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[Fignuts]

Well I kind of see why they didn't do carnage in the first one because once you do him, what the fuck do you do from there? Venom doesn't exactly have a robust rogues gallery.

There's Knull, but you couldn't really do him justice unless it was in the MCU

[Rammsteinmad]

Look cool.

[Destor]

ive still not seen the 1st

[M-A-G]

Well I kind of see why they didn't do carnage in the first one because once you do him, what the fuck do you do from there? Venom doesn't exactly have a robust rogues gallery.

There's Knull, but you couldn't really do him justice unless it was in the MCU

Well, it's not like they have to do more than one movie.

[Lock Jaw]

ive still not seen the 1st

Ditto.... it came on one streaming service and I thought "I should watch this".... now I think it is on Netflix as well and still just never put it on....

[M-A-G]

I will always maintain that Crispin Glover was born to play Kletus Kassidy.

[M-A-G]

Of course, I also thought that Heather Locklear was born to play Emma Frost and look where that got me.

[drave]

Do they have to make it so funny? Is that the thing to do with these movies now? I don't feel like Venom is supposed to be funny, but I could be way off here.

[Shadow]

Well I kind of see why they didn't do carnage in the first one because once you do him, what the fuck do you do from there? Venom doesn't exactly have a robust rogues gallery.

There's Knull, but you couldn't really do him justice unless it was in the MCU

There's also what does Sony have the rights to use. Most of Venom's rogues come from Spider-Man's.

[Fignuts]

Well, it's not like they have to do more than one movie.

Of course they don't have to, but that's not how the movie industry works.

[Fignuts]

Do they have to make it so funny? Is that the thing to do with these movies now? I don't feel like Venom is supposed to be funny, but I could be way off here.

There's always been a little bit of humor even going back to his first mini series. Probably not as much as these movies, but as long as the majority of the movie takes the subject matter seriously, I'm okay with it.

[Lock Jaw]

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Read a few Eternals series and they were freaking boring.... did they "get interesting" sometime after I stopped reading Marvel?

Also... Richard Madden looks pretty much exactly like Sebastian Stan.

[Destor]

This was always a ballsy propertyto adapt because the source material is pretty weak. my curiosity in this movie is to see why they chose it at all. it has to be an indicator of what theyre looking to do long term. a piece they need to transition into whatever comes next.

[Fignuts]

Trailer doesn't tell us much. A little worried about the sheer amount of new characters it's introducing. We saw how that worked out in x-men apocalypse.

Hoping for an appearance by the celestials.

[Lock Jaw]

Get an "Inhumans" vibe from it. Hopefully it turns out better than that did.

[Destor]

this has more but Guardians handled a large cast of new characters well so its not entirely uncharted waters at least

[Fignuts]

I tried to get into the Eternals comics a number of times because they're tied to Marvel's cosmic side, which I love, but they're just so uninteresting.

I was never as surprised as other people that Guardians was a success, because the run it was based on, was one of the best reads in comics at the time. There are no great Eternals runs, however, so this is going to be Marvel Studio's biggest test yet.

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder if it being post-Endgame will hurt it too.... Like before, people would go "I gotta go see it they are building up to this massive thing" but now people might be "Meh, they are done. It's over. I have no reason to go see this random movie"

[slik]

I like the teaser...read some plot spoilers on reddit a while back that this teaser seems like could be true.

I think it will be good...shot mostly using natural lighting, very different "look" for cinematography than other Marvel flix

[Lock Jaw]

I tried to get into the Eternals comics a number of times because they're tied to Marvel's cosmic side, which I love, but they're just so uninteresting.

I was never as surprised as other people that Guardians was a success, because the run it was based on, was one of the best reads in comics at the time. There are no great Eternals runs, however, so this is going to be Marvel Studio's biggest test yet.

Yeah.... Guardians would have been unknown to mostly everybody too, but at least they had entertaining source material.

[Destor]

@fignuts i agree with that. the mcu in general going forawrd is a huge test. they have no star power really. cap and stark were huge draws.

spidey will revert to sony after this 3 picture deal is up. so he will be gone by phase 5.

Black panther is dead.

star lord can hold his own as a draw. i dunno how long pratt wants to go but they do have him. so thats a plus.

it starts getting scarce from there. i dont think captian marvel is going to have the legs they want her to have. i think a big chunk of the audience who saw the 1st film left very unimpressed

i think the x-men can save it but outside of that... very pivotal moment for them.

will the audience view Avengers 4 as a good point to get off the ride?

[slik]

Concept art Disney released at D23 shows the Deviants will be massive in scale


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https://bgr.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/the-eternals-poster.jpeg?quality=70&strip=all

[Destor]

Wonder if it being post-Endgame will hurt it too.... Like before, people would go "I gotta go see it they are building up to this massive thing" but now people might be "Meh, they are done. It's over. I have no reason to go see this random movie"
exactly this.

[Destor]

With BP being this phases cap i thought they would be fine...losing him is a huge blow

[Fignuts]

Concept art Disney released at D23 shows the Deviants will be massive in scale


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Those are Celestials.

[slik]

My bad

I haven't watched any of the MCU shows on Disney yet. I know Wandavision and Falcon/Soldier are both probably really good but I haven't gotten the vibe I needed to watch them to understand future MCU films. I also think future MCU films won't be as big of hits, seems hard to top the hype/interest Infinity War and Endgame had. I don't think they'll flop by any means but I just don't see them being as big as before.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I think they might have made "enough" fans who will stick with it no matter what and see whatever they are fed (barring several critically panned movies in a row or something), but I think a lot of the more casuals will jump off.

[Destor]

i think wandavision is going to be massive.. i think its how think we are going to get mutants. you can sum up the vitals of falcon/winter soldier in a single sentence. falcon is cap now. thats all you need. its good but its impact is far less.

[Fignuts]

@fignuts i agree with that. the mcu in general going forawrd is a huge test. they have no star power really. cap and stark were huge draws.

spidey will revert to sony after this 3 picture deal is up. so he will be gone by phase 5.

Black panther is dead.

star lord can hold his own as a draw. i dunno how long pratt wants to go but they do have him. so thats a plus.

it starts getting scarce from there. i dont think captian marvel is going to have the legs they want her to have. i think a big chunk of the audience who saw the 1st film left very unimpressed

i think the x-men can save it but outside of that... very pivotal moment for them.

will the audience view Avengers 4 as a good point to get off the ride?

It's a shame because Captain Marvel could have been a really big deal. I don't even blame the casting, because Brie is a good actress, but the way they had her portray the character was baffling. Carol is meant to have an aggressive, outspoken personality, and it's the exact opposite in the movie.

They do still have Thor, don't forget. Love and Thunder has the potential to be really good, as it's based on, imo, the best Thor run of all time.

I think what they have will still get them through phase 4, but X-Men and FF will make or break phase 5 and beyond.

[Lock Jaw]

WandaVision was slower and more drawn-out to watch I think, but feel like it definitely "mattered" more and will have more "long term" repercussions seen in the movies.

While Falcon/Winter Soldier I think I definitely enjoyed watching more, but did feel more like just another typical Marvel movie (which really have all become just, "yeah, that was entertaining and good but I have no desire to ever watch it again")

[slik]

I think FF being done by the same director as the Tom Holland spidey movies is promising. Thor: Love and Thunder I'm really looking forward to. I'm personally really interested in Eternals since I think it will be really good but after that comes out Love & Thunder is the next MCU film I'm most excited for.

[slik]

oh and Ant-Man: Quantum-Mania

I really enjoyed the first two Ant-Man flicks a ton

[Fignuts]

Yeah, I think they might have made "enough" fans who will stick with it no matter what and see whatever they are fed (barring several critically panned movies in a row or something), but I think a lot of the more casuals will jump off.

It's honestly hard to say after all the unexpected success stories they've had. Hell, the whole thing started with a hero that most people had only heard about, if they knew him at all.

I think building towards Galactus as a phase 6 villain could get casuals just as invested as they did towards Thanos.

[Destor]

It's a shame because Captain Marvel could have been a really big deal. I don't even blame the casting, because Brie is a good actress, but the way they had her portray the character was baffling. Carol is meant to have an aggressive, outspoken personality, and it's the exact opposite in the movie.

They do still have Thor, don't forget. Love and Thunder has the potential to be really good, as it's based on, imo, the best Thor run of all time.

I think what they have will still get them through phase 4, but X-Men and FF will make or break phase 5 and beyond.
i love thor. he's my 2nd fav hero behind spidey. but his films have not been draws. im ultra hyped for thor 4 and i think thor 3 won over a lot of people but until he starts pulling bigger numbers i dont think its fair to count him in the "big star" camp. he could become far more. i hope he does. but thor 1 and thor 2...nearly flops. thor 2 is considered by many to be the worst mcu film (rediculous because its objectively The Incredible Hulk [Ed Norton])

[Destor]

oh and Ant-Man: Quantum-Mania

I really enjoyed the first two Ant-Man flicks a tonvery low box office numbers for the 1st 2

[Lock Jaw]

Really liked the second Ant-Man and third Thor movies. That being said, haven't watched them since the theater and don't really feel a pressing urge to rewatch them. Same with a lot of Marvel movies. They have become more like... dunno... disposable entertainment. One and done.

[Fignuts]

WandaVision was slower and more drawn-out to watch I think, but feel like it definitely "mattered" more and will have more "long term" repercussions seen in the movies.

While Falcon/Winter Soldier I think I definitely enjoyed watching more, but did feel more like just another typical Marvel movie (which really have all become just, "yeah, that was entertaining and good but I have no desire to ever watch it again")

We're also possibly getting a Thunderbolts movie, based on how Falcon/WS panned out.

[Destor]

ive never rewatched a marvel movie. its the serial that hooks me. i dont need to see them again.

[Fignuts]

i love thor. he's my 2nd fav hero behind spidey. but his films have not been draws. im ultra hyped for thor 4 and i think thor 3 won over a lot of people but until he starts pulling bigger numbers i dont think its fair to count him in the "big star" camp. he could become far more. i hope he does. but thor 1 and thor 2...nearly flops. thor 2 is considered by many to be the worst mcu film (rediculous because its objectively The Incredible Hulk [Ed Norton])

Hulk beats out Dark World for me, just because the villains are better and the romantic story between Bruce and Betty is done better than Thor and Jane. Otherwise, yeah, they're both equally low.

I think Thor 4 will be the best one yet based on how well 3 did critically. People know not to sleep on it now.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah.... haven't rewatched a non-Avengers movie since before Doctor Strange. Infinity War I rewatched before Endgame came out... and Endgame I rewatched and was like... "you know, without the thrill of the event of seeing it for the first time this is quite long and tedious. What am I doing?"

[Destor]

Hulk beats out Dark World for me, just because the villains are better and the romantic story between Bruce and Betty is done better than Thor and Jane. Otherwise, yeah, they're both equally low.

I think Thor 4 will be the best one yet based on how well 3 did critically. People know not to sleep on it now.
Tim Roth was good in Hulk but I'll never not swoon for Nataly Portman. id simp for anything she does ever.

[Fignuts]

I still enjoy rewatching them once in a while, as the fight choreography is the best in the superhero genre. Lots of neat team up moves and such.

[Fignuts]

Tim Roth was good in Hulk but I'll never not swoon for Nataly Portman. id simp for anything she does ever.

It really had nothing to do with her performance, as she's Natalie fucking Portman, of course she did the best job anyone could. It was more how the characters were written and the scenes they were in which left me with that impression. Which isn't to say they were bad, just that Hulk did it a little better imo.

[Destor]

her role in 2 felt forced. like she was shoe horned into a script 1 month out from production

[Destor]

like in star wars i felt like she got as much mileage out of the script she was given as any actress on earth could have

[M-A-G]

I still have no idea why Angelina Jolie is in this.

[Lock Jaw]

Because all actors/actresses will eventually be a part of the MCU

[M-A-G]

Because all actors/actresses will eventually be a part of the MCU

Keep Rob Schneider and Kevin James out of my super hero movies.

[Lock Jaw]

That's 2 of the Fantastic 4 right there

[Fignuts]

I still have no idea why Angelina Jolie is in this.

I think it's good casting. She has a look well suited for the whole.

[slik]

I still have no idea why Angelina Jolie is in this.

She's a good actress and one of the few who did well in action movies pre-Marvel taking over the world so it doesn't bother me.

[ClockShot]

Did Gemma Chan die in Captain Marvel? I can't remember.

Confused as to why she went from Kree to Eternal.

[M-A-G]

Did Gemma Chan die in Captain Marvel? I can't remember.

Confused as to why she went from Kree to Eternal.

Yeah, her character got blown up in her ship by Rambeau.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm still thinking that Richard Madden and Sebastian Stan look like the same guy and that is gonna confuse people

[McLegend]

Lol maybe they have a slight resemblance to each other. Saying that might even be a stretch.

You might be alone on that one.

[mitchables]

https://i.imgur.com/e3ah5AI.jpg

i mean

he is obviously not even close to alone on this

[McLegend]

I mean

Yeah apparently it’s a thing. I didn’t know that.

[Fignuts]

Did Gemma Chan die in Captain Marvel? I can't remember.

Confused as to why she went from Kree to Eternal.

She didn't. She's playing a completely different character. Apparently Fiege loved her so much he wanted to bring her back for a more substantial role.

[Shadow]

Get an "Inhumans" vibe from it. Hopefully it turns out better than that did.

That's because this was supposed to be an Inhumans movie. Until Pearlmutter fucked it up.

[M-A-G]

Get an "Inhumans" vibe from it. Hopefully it turns out better than that did.

That chick they got to play Crystal was fucking awful.

[ClockShot]

She didn't. She's playing a completely different character. Apparently Fiege loved her so much he wanted to bring her back for a more substantial role.

I know, Figs.

It's like Chris Evans started out as Human Torch then he's Captain America. While I understand that the FOX got the F4 rights.

One of those things that pisses me off when it comes to comic book flicks these days.

[Destor]

conversely id had prefered a recast for black panther

[Fignuts]

Eh I didn't mind the War Machine recasting because he's a supporting character, who doesn't require that much personality to play, but Black Panther is another story. A major character with a great performance behind it. I don't think I would have liked a recasting. Shuri taking over works just fine for me.

[Lock Jaw]

Also would have preferred a recast. Feel like the best way to "honour" Chadwick is to continue on telling the best possible stories and continuing to make T'Challa a household name. Yeah, Shuri was Black Panther in the comics for a bit..... but there's a reason why the classic characters always come back even if someone else takes up the mantle for a bit.

[M-A-G]

The problem with Shuri taking over is what theme do you explore with the story? Do you do the "new ruler needs to learn how to be a ruler" thing? It makes sense, sure, but that was kind of already hit on with the first movie and it would feel like we're just going over the same territory. They could ignore the elephant in the room flat out and just go all in but that's a pretty big elephant to not address. Needless to say, what you should take away from all of this is fuck cancer in all its forms.

[Destor]

Also would have preferred a recast. Feel like the best way to "honour" Chadwick is to continue on telling the best possible stories and continuing to make T'Challa a household name. Yeah, Shuri was Black Panther in the comics for a bit..... but there's a reason why the classic characters always come back even if someone else takes up the mantle for a bit.
absolutely agree. moreover we lost a great actor and the response is we also lost a great character. a character who not only deserves to shine for the strength of the character alone (probably a top 10 character for me) but theres also what he represents for all the little black boys in the world. a character who wasnt repurposed to be black to fit a quota or to be woke token representation but an original property thats theirs and no one elses. and a character that shines just as brightly as any other character not because he's black but because he's just a great character that happens to be black.

Chadwicks death was a tragedy but the response, in an effort to honor him, is a travesty.

[Destor]

we're already mourning Chadwick. its a shame we have to mourn T'Challa too

[Lock Jaw]

Maybe don't kill T'Challa off, but they can have him "missing" for a movie, then next time they can bring him back recast

[slik]

Read at your own caution, possible Eternals plot...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/mgl81j/eternals_uncut_plot_leak_user_who_has_seen_early/?sort=new

[Fignuts]

Thanos is a deviant in the comics, and I was hoping his hijinks would be the reason they decided to finally reveal themselves, but he's not even mentioned. So that fucking sucks.

[Fignuts]

Looks like it will be a decent action flick, but probably not on the level of other marvel blockbusters. Not convinced it will be a stinker, but it might not be worth the theater visit.

I will, because I'm a huge marvel fan.

[ClockShot]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson comes back from the comic book dead..........sort of.

He'll be Kraven the Hunter for Sony's next project. https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63308965/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_3


And, Marvel makes it official by announcing Oscar Isaac as Moon Knight.

[slik]

Thanos is a deviant in the comics, and I was hoping his hijinks would be the reason they decided to finally reveal themselves, but he's not even mentioned. So that fucking sucks.

It does seem (if that link is accurate) there is an unexpected tie-in to Thanos


Starfox is Thanos brother is my understanding

[M-A-G]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson comes back from the comic book dead..........sort of.

He'll be Kraven the Hunter for Sony's next project. https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63308965/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_3


And, Marvel makes it official by announcing Oscar Isaac as Moon Knight.

Isaac joins Chris Evans and Michael B. Jordan in making the leap from the Fox wasteland to the greener pastures of the MCU.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch the brand-new trailer for Marvel Studios’ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShangChi?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShangChi</a> and the Legend of the Ten Rings and experience it only in theaters September 3. <a href="https://t.co/PXQrZxXSyG">pic.twitter.com/PXQrZxXSyG</a></p>&mdash; Shang-Chi (@shangchi) <a href="https://twitter.com/shangchi/status/1408226918789369859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[M-A-G]

Seeing more and more of that is making me less and less interested. Why can't the rings just be regular rings for your fingers?

[slik]

Would be too similar to Thanos Infinity Gauntlet IMO

[Lock Jaw]

They should do a crossover with Sonic the Hedgehog

[Fignuts]

More sold on Shang Chi now. Cool cinematography and action. I don't mind them simplifying the ten rings. The source is very comic booky wouldnt necissarily work great on screen.

Pretty sure that was Abomination he was fighting in the final scene.

[XL]

Yeah but I think that was Wong/another sorcerer fighting him.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Enter the multiverse of unlimited possibilities. Marvel Studios' first animated series, What If...?, starts streaming August 11 with new episodes Wednesdays on <a href="https://twitter.com/disneyplus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DisneyPlus</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/whatifofficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WhatIfOfficial</a> <a href="https://t.co/MksL2Wa8B9">pic.twitter.com/MksL2Wa8B9</a></p>&mdash; Marvel Studios (@MarvelStudios) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1413165988141404161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[M-A-G]

Has nice animation but like I've said before I'm not a fan of alternate reality stories.

[Lock Jaw]

Each episode should just end mid-way through when the TVA comes in and resets everything

[drave]

Each episode should just end mid-way through when the TVA comes in and resets everything




Which is why this series is kinda moot anyway. Seems like some weird way to get some fanfic stuff on-screen, I dunno. I don't follow closely enough but had the same thought as you, Lock from Jawington.

[drave]

Although with the TVA living outside of the normal constraints of spacetime, is One-Above-All able to stop this shite too?

[M-A-G]

https://i.imgur.com/uqD0Pjj.jpg

[drave]

Sad that Lock Jaw never replied :(

A man with great knowledge, nay Truly Great knowledge on the comics and I asked a genuine question.

[Lock Jaw]

Although with the TVA living outside of the normal constraints of spacetime, is One-Above-All able to stop this shite too?

To this question? Dunno Marvel as well.... but if as the name implies they are above all I imagine they could do anything....

[Fignuts]

Which is why this series is kinda moot anyway. Seems like some weird way to get some fanfic stuff on-screen, I dunno. I don't follow closely enough but had the same thought as you, Lock from Jawington.

That's what the What if series has always been. It's not meant to be taken too seriously.

[Fignuts]

Although with the TVA living outside of the normal constraints of spacetime, is One-Above-All able to stop this shite too?

The TVA is pretty much fucked after the Loki finale. The one above all is dumb and hopefully is never introduced in the mcu.

[M-A-G]

Aren't we, the paying consumers, the One-Above-All? :shifty:

[drave]

The TVA is pretty much fucked after the Loki finale. The one above all is dumb and hopefully is never introduced in the mcu.




Oooh, now I wanna watch Loki. Intrigued.


One-Above-All definitely dumb and would wreck the past two decades of the MCU. Would be a suicide pill.

[M-A-G]

https://i.imgur.com/vd5lGbx.jpeg

[Blonde Moment]

Peter Parker luck trumps all

[M-A-G]

So I guess with Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings that ends my streak of staying in the comfort of my own home since Disney isn't doing Premier Access. I actually enjoyed the time away from the theater. I hate going when there's a crowd and the privacy of watching things on my laptop was boss as fuck. Nothing personal against the people who would be with me in the theaters but, you know, I fucking hate you all. :)

[XL]

I get you. I went to see Black Widow last week and it was great being back in front of the Big Screen BUT I was sat next to a guy breathing incredibly noisily through his nose and it was SO distracting. I did find myself thinking “I could have watched this at home…”.

[drave]

The viewing experience of damn near anything is better at home than live. Football especially gets me here.

I love Lucas Oil Stadium and all, but the seats are shitty, you're packed in there like a clown car and the aforementioned grossness of others. Just... no thanks. I can get a much better view of the action at home.

[Fignuts]

Not rasslin' though. Rasslin' is always better live.

[drave]

Indeed.


Always surprises me when I used to get "lower level" seats just how close they were. Arena always looks bigger on TV than it really is. Was usually within the first 10 rows of the lower level.


Remember when Fink was still with the "E" and hollering out to him "Fink is THE MAN, WOOOOO!!!" and getting a good laugh and acknowledgement out of him.

[M-A-G]

One of my favorite experiences going to the theater was when I saw Silent Hill: Revelations and there were literally only two other people in the same screening as me. Yes, even though I sat and viewed one of the worst things ever put to film I enjoyed myself for the simple fact that I didn't have to put up with a room full of dipshits.

[drave]

Right?


You can get a decent set of "home theater" speakers for less than $200 for a room and TV's are cheaper than they've ever been. Don't shy away from pawn shops if you're on a super tight budget either, they can have shit just as good as new sometimes.


Couple this with things like Hulu and Sling watch Party and it's pretty easy to still enjoy stuff with others while still being comfy in your own home.

[Fignuts]

First episode of What if was good. It's the Captain Carter story.

[M-A-G]

Oh, hell, is it already airing? It completely slipped my brain. :o

[Lock Jaw]

What If..... tall muscular Peggy Carter had sex with skinny scrawny Steve Rogers.... what would that have looked like and would she have broke him in half?

[M-A-G]

He'd be disqualified on his asthma alone.

[Blonde Moment]

I wonder if she ended up being stronger than MCU Steve Rogers?

[M-A-G]

Who hell is cutting onions while I see Chadwick Boseman's name credited in the latest "What If...?" episode?

[Destor]

really poorly written ep of what if. in this premise T'Challa leaves his family for the literal 1st random strangers the come along. this at this point is the canonical mcu T'Challa. it completely undermines his entire character.


and the entire episode has this little attention to the characters authenticity. whats the point of a what if if theres no integrity in the story telling to exist in a version of a time line that resembles something tha feels like a logical extension into a possible potential multiverse?


this is much closer to slap stick than what if.

[Destor]

also what about becoming a gardner made thanos such a pussy? goes from omega level threat to giant bitch

[Tom Guycott]

really poorly written ep of what if. in this premise T'Challa leaves his family for the literal 1st random strangers the come along. this at this point is the canonical mcu T'Challa. it completely undermines his entire character.


and the entire episode has this little attention to the characters authenticity. whats the point of a what if if theres no integrity in the story telling to exist in a version of a time line that resembles something tha feels like a logical extension into a possible potential multiverse?


this is much closer to slap stick than what if.

I liked it, and I didn't see it that way.

I realize this is going to sound pretentious, but looking at both episodes so far, it feels like they're trying to tell stories of nature vs nurture. The only flaw is that the chunks are so bite-sized that it almost feels incomplete, even as one-off stories... but it doesn't seem insincere to me. Peggy "sacrificed" herself rather than let the experiment go completely to waste in those few precious seconds. Steve still wanted to help. T'Challa is more learned, diplomatic, and jovial than the recently orphaned and greiving Peter.

With T'Challa, they said it right there at the beginning, "right/wrong place at the right/wrong time". It wasn't simply just them screwing up and not abducting Quill, but they caught him at the right moment where he felt like he was cooped up and shut in away from seeing anything else outside of Wakanda. If aliens strolled up to me in 1988, I'd have prob'ly done the same thing. Being a dumbass, curious kid who has the potential to go up into space would have absolutely overrode most fear and logically thinking about abandoning everything I know since I was OBSESSED with space back then.

About Thanos being "a pussy" - it's similar to the impression I got from both Infinity War movies: Older Thanos did the work, calculated, put in the effort, sacrificed to "win". Younger Thanos just saw his variant succeed and figured it was a foregone conclusion, and as such got cocky and sloppy. Similarly, the Thanos here stopped being that guy, so he got soft. The difference would be like fighting Mike Tyson in his prime and fighting Mike Tyson now. I'm not talking age, I mean back when he hated the world and trained like a beast as opposed to being the more mature, wiser, calmer, higher Tyson. He can still knock someone out assuredly, but just in some random street fight, he is not in the same condition or headspace he was back then... same here with Thanos. He's not the terror of the universe anymore. It took two of what *we* know of as his strongest leftenants to actually eventually get an advantage on him, but it wasn't exactly instant.

But also, in the end, these are basically throwaway stories. This existence is basically doomed because Ego apparently got what he wanted, but that's just what went down in this particular cosmic coin flip.

[Tom Guycott]

What If..... tall muscular Peggy Carter had sex with skinny scrawny Steve Rogers.... what would that have looked like and would she have broke him in half?

Prob'ly like that movie My Super Ex-Girlfriend, except instead replace Uma Thurman with She-Hulk. Like, the more recent, more sizeable and "dumb speak" Shulkie.

[Destor]

youre right about these being throwaway stories. they have no value.

[Destor]

(which was not true of the what ifs in the 80s/90s)

[Destor]

going into ep3 ill at least be prepared now

[M-A-G]

Huh...have to say the latest "What If...?" is probably the best one so far.

[Tom Guycott]

Huh...have to say the latest "What If...?" is probably the best one so far.

I actually went down the wrong path.

I would've sworn it was Pearce, and Hydra had stepped up Project Insight. I totally forgot about Hank Pym's initial MCU hate boner for SHIELD. Not really enough self-contained setup to be able to make a more educated guess.

Also, it would have been funny if this Loki were President Loki with the suit and campaign button at the end just for the visual goof.

Not bad for a 30 minute whodunit, though.

[M-A-G]

I love 'whodunits' so if they could more in this series or in other films it'd be tops. It was throwing me for a loop because they didn't spell out the "what if...?" in the beginning like they did with the other episodes so I was going through my Rolodex of suspects which meant I was engaged and that's always a plus.

[Tom Guycott]

I love 'whodunits' so if they could more in this series or in other films it'd be tops. It was throwing me for a loop because they didn't spell out the "what if...?" in the beginning like they did with the other episodes so I was going through my Rolodex of suspects which meant I was engaged and that's always a plus.

...AND HE WOULDA GOT AWAY WITH IT, TOO, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE MEDDLING ASGARDIANS!!!

[M-A-G]

...AND HE WOULDA GOT AWAY WITH IT, TOO, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE MEDDLING ASGARDIANS!!!

Sif as sexy Daphne is something I'm totally fine with. :shifty:

[Destor]

pretty easily the best one so far even if its still leaving a lot of potential on the table. if they keep improving though there might be a gem here yet. holding out hope.

[M-A-G]

Thought the latest episode was veering into cop out territory but it brought it back around with the ending. It wasn't the typical wrap-up we've seen from the first three. I'm not sure if it's better than last week's but it's still fairly solid.

[Destor]

Really enjoyed the strange ep. i dont really know how

if stranges girlfriend dies he somehow still goes to seek the mistic arts...that doesnt track for me at all. huge leap of logic.

but its a minor gripe because i think they managed to tell a very good dr strange story. really enjoyed it


also:


Im declaring evil strange as Darktor Strange

[M-A-G]

Not sure what else they're building towards in regards to the mid-credits scene in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. There are a lot balls in the air as far as what Marvel is trying to juggle.

[Tom Guycott]

Really enjoyed the strange ep. i dont really know how

if stranges girlfriend dies he somehow still goes to seek the mistic arts...that doesnt track for me at all. huge leap of logic.

but its a minor gripe because i think they managed to tell a very good dr strange story. really enjoyed it

Eh... Not *so* great a leap. Especially considering that in this universe, he apparently wasn't such a colossal asshole to her that he was alone in the vehicle and trying to text at speed in a sportscar. Still just as arrogant, apparently.

The only problems I kinda had here is how it seemed like a prep course for the new Spider-Man, and that it really wasn't so much Strange's fault than it was the Ancient One for splitting his decision into two and trying to pit his clearly weaker half against an evil half with centuries worth of power acquisition behind him.

However, that bit of nitpickery is negated by both the fact that this Strange becomes aware of The Watcher's presence (who I will *not* assume is Uatu) and that Twilight Zone/Outer Limits type ending where he apparently is trapped forever in what is left of his universe to not only mourn the fact that he sealed its fate, but lost the love of his life twice.

Got major "It's not fair; I had time now!" vibes, except it was a vastly greater weight than self-pity.


also:


Im declaring evil strange as Darktor Strange

Darktor ARMANI!

Lastly... I wonder how many What If...? episodes will contain Shuma-Gorath?

[Destor]

[QUOTE=Tom Guycott;5477260]Eh... Not *so* great a leap. Especially considering that in this universe, he apparently wasn't such a colossal asshole to her that he was alone in the vehicle and trying to text at speed in a sportscar. Still just as arrogant, apparently.

The only problems I kinda had here is how it seemed like a prep course for the new Spider-Man, and that it really wasn't so much Strange's fault than it was the Ancient One for splitting his decision into two and trying to pit his clearly weaker half against an evil half with centuries worth of power acquisition behind him.

However, that bit of nitpickery is negated by both the fact that this Strange becomes aware of The Watcher's presence (who I will *not* assume is Uatu) and that Twilight Zone/Outer Limits type ending where he apparently is trapped forever in what is left of his universe to not only mourn the fact that he sealed its fate, but lost the love of his life twice.

Got major "It's not fair; I had time now!" vibes, except it was a vastly greater weight than self-pity.



Darktor ARMANI!

Lastly... I wonder how many What If...? episodes will contain Shuma-Gorath?[/QUOTEits a massive leap. going to magic because youre sad doesnt follow any kind logic]

[Tom Guycott]

I don't see it that way.


He "used magic because he was sad" anyway.

The existential impact on him from both things from both universes led to the same downward spiral. It wasn't him wrapping his entirety of meaning into not being able to doctor anymore because of his hands, it was him wrapping his entirety of meaning into her. He still lost something, and grief can lead you into weird places. I just figured he'd be looking into things more necromantic in this story than the dangerously preventative route it took.

I guess I just don't understand how "use magic to make my hands worky" is any less of a logic leap than "use magic to make my lover not dead".

[Destor]

I don't see it that way.


He "used magic because he was sad" anyway.

The existential impact on him from both things from both universes led to the same downward spiral. It wasn't him wrapping his entirety of meaning into not being able to doctor anymore because of his hands, it was him wrapping his entirety of meaning into her. He still lost something, and grief can lead you into weird places. I just figured he'd be looking into things more necromantic in this story than the dangerously preventative route it took.

I guess I just don't understand how "use magic to make my hands worky" is any less of a logic leap than "use magic to make my lover not dead".
traveling the world looking for unconventional healing methods is a thing people actually do. its real. so when you write that story is conoletely plausible that when writing a story about a guy who explores all western science and medicine that after he turns to eastern he hears a rumor of a healing magic and in his desperation turns to it.


none of this is true for super sad guys. he isnt traveling the world looking for ways to ressurect a lost lover. he doesnt believe in magic. this would have me believe he's traveling the world cause hes just so damn sad. like leaving the house is a trait of depression to begin with. and someone in his complete and utter depression he talks to people. that in it of itself is miraculous but no it goes further and after he explores all known methods hes told about magic via all this socializing he's doing and its the same magic he would have otherwise found out about because well how else will we bring in those actors from the movie.


and thats this in a nutshell its forced. instead of saying "lets let the premise take us where it should." allowing the story to write itself. we get "here's a premise but we need to fit in all this fan service too." and it isnt satisfying or clever. its hacky bull shit. hin losing his hands shouldn't lead to the same origin as losing his "heart." it isnt honest. its contrived and it doesnt have to be. and thats the wors part of all these eps. theyre just lazy.

[M-A-G]

Ugh, Marvel zombies for the newest "What If...?" Least favorite episode on general principle.

[Blonde Moment]

Looks like they have "fixed" Sins of the Past in Spiderman and now I am waiting to see whether One More Day is on the chopping block or whether M.Js miscarriage will be retconned

[Fignuts]

Ugh, Marvel zombies for the newest "What If...?" Least favorite episode on general principle.

The original marvel zombies stories were good. As oversaturated as zombies are, it could still be a fun episode.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ugh, Marvel zombies for the newest "What If...?" Least favorite episode on general principle.

Fucking great actually

[Destor]

zombies was good. characters all acted in the parameters of their canonical selves..seems like a low bar but thats all i really want from these. be fun and be consistent. zombies hit that.

[M-A-G]

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[M-A-G]

Is it bad that I legitimately want to see that Rogers: The Musical?

[Shadow]

Nope!

[M-A-G]

Well with last week's "What If...?" leaving a bad taste in my mouth, this week's was way more palatable. A bit of a weak ending, I think, but just the fact that Killmonger is brought back into things and pairing him with Stark is just goodness all around.

[Lock Jaw]

Still haven't watched any except the first week.... I should maybe check them out....

[Kalyx triaD]

This What If was the weakest by far, but still alright. I don't know when and why Kilmonger is suddenly a Marvel-class engineer but whatever. I kinda felt from the jump that a story with Kilmonger was gonna over reach. He is an extremely overrated villain.

[Tom Guycott]

Well with last week's "What If...?" leaving a bad taste in my mouth, this week's was way more palatable. A bit of a weak ending, I think, but just the fact that Killmonger is brought back into things and pairing him with Stark is just goodness all around.

This What If was the weakest by far, but still alright. I don't know when and why Kilmonger is suddenly a Marvel-class engineer but whatever. I kinda felt from the jump that a story with Kilmonger was gonna over reach. He is an extremely overrated villain.

I felt like this was something that would've worked better with more time. Not neccessarily a full-fleged MCU live movie, but some sort of "What If....?" feature, similar to the DCAU things. It was like they wanted to explore both Killmonger's intentions and used the idea of Stark never getting captured and thus becoming Iron Man as a springboard for it instead of giving both concepts time to flesh out. Hell, even the ending seemed like there should be a resolution after instead of another story concept that is going untold.



I don't know when and why Kilmonger is suddenly a Marvel-class engineer but whatever.

Pop culture poularity is a hell of a thing. Honestly surprised they didn't work in his "Hey, Auntie!" Remember, Batman TAS episode Heart of Ice is why Mr. Freeze went from any one of DC's 20 interchangable ice themed villans to sympathetically tragic A-lister. Deadpool went from a jab at Slade "across the street", to comic nerd in-joke, to worldwide in-joke. And, for fuck's sake, Loki. Nobody gave a single, solitary fuck about Marvel's version of Loki until the movies, and now he's reaching Wolverine levels of popularity and morphing into this "loveable, rougish antihero". If Michael B. Jordan didn't kill it in the movie, or they cast some kinda shitty actor, or didn't give him half the "cool" dialogue he got, he'd still be an also-ran amongst the ranks of your Black Toms and Smart Alecs.

[Kalyx triaD]

Rebooting Kilmonger into a quasi-Magneto was alright, and he was pretty good in the movie. I just feel he's oversold as some compelling villain when we have the Magnetos, Kingpins, and Dr Dooms out there. He's very obvious for his archetype but ironically my biggest issue is they killed him. He had a lot of ways to go considering the sub mythology of the military in the MCU. Would Fury recruit him for Shield? Why not? How would he feel about Isaiah and what happened to him? Would an experience change him for the better? Things like that.

[XL]

A lot of it is about the vehicle they’re in; Black Panther was a worldwide smash, King Pin and Doom might be “better villains” or “more compelling” but they’ve featured in either subpar movies/shows or have been horribly mishandled.

I’m still sort of hoping they retcon his death and bring him back in Wakanda Forever. A redemption for him might work.

[Kalyx triaD]

Kingpin was in a subpar show..?

[M-A-G]

Yeah, I'm going to have to profess my love for the Netflix version of Fisk.

[drave]

Netflix Daredevil very good. The Best Daredevil.

[XL]

Kingpin was in a subpar show..?

Sorry, missed out the part that specifically related to Fisk from Netflix’ Daredevil; it’s great but it’s not on the same level as the MCU movies. A fraction of the people that went to see Black Panther (and most other MCU movies) will have watched Daredevil on Netflix. That’s why Kingpin isn’t in the conversation.

[M-A-G]

I'm wondering what the combination of Netflix's Fisk and the voice of Fisk from the '90s Spider-Man cartoon would be like.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sorry, missed out the part that specifically related to Fisk from Netflix’ Daredevil; it’s great but it’s not on the same level as the MCU movies. A fraction of the people that went to see Black Panther (and most other MCU movies) will have watched Daredevil on Netflix. That’s why Kingpin isn’t in the conversation.

It's not an election. As far as characterizations go Kingpin runs circles around Kilmonger. But even if we keep in the MCU just for Kilmonger's sake; Loki, Zemo, Pearce, and now Mandarin all round out better than Kilmonger.

I'm wondering what the combination of Netflix's Fisk and the voice of Fisk from the '90s Spider-Man cartoon would be like.

That was good voice work, yeah.

[Tom Guycott]

Nice. That ending sure took the phrase "Peace in our time!" in a different direction...

[Destor]

107 was proper fun

[Tom Guycott]

That wedding tho...

[Destor]

that can be canonical and id be ok

[M-A-G]

YES! It had the fight that I wanted to see in the movies! I was hoping they would've done something like it at the beginning of Endgame but no dice. Nice that they were able to do it here. That alone makes me give this "What If...?" a thumbs up.

[M-A-G]

LOL, she's cute as fuck. Shame it got canceled.

https://i.imgur.com/KidF8be.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/M9srXzO.jpeg

[Tom Guycott]

That wedding tho...

that can be canonical and id be ok

Me too.

There's something about that paring. It doesn't have to be a wedding. Hell, it doesn't even have to be strictly romantic. If he showed up on Earth, she seems like the person who would find him. Or have him comically crash land into her life. Prob'ly shortly after the events of WandaVison with some lament of "Is it me attracting all this... weirdness?" And Howard responding with "Eh. I've seen weirder."

[Kalyx triaD]

What If is amazing.

[Lock Jaw]

Still only watched the first episode.... should watch the rest....

[Kalyx triaD]

If you told me way back that the freakin cartoon would be the best thing out of Phase 4 I'd hit you in the face.

[Destor]

thats a hot tak if there ever was one

[Destor]

new ep is good. very enjoyable

[M-A-G]

I'm torn as to whether or not to call this the best episode of the season. The main one-on-one fight scene is cool as fuck and it has such a dark, hopeless tone to it all. I will say that this episode really brought to the forefront as to how awful the Watcher looks, though. Just my opinion.

[Destor]

lol i was just talking about this with a friend.

[Kalyx triaD]

thats a hot tak if there ever was one

Phase 4 so has been very 'aight' for me so far and it doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be a plan here like Phase 2 and 3. You Julia's character being an anti-fury recruiting angsty antiheroes which may or may not be a Thunderbolts thing, and then this multiverse thing which is fun but ultimately canon suicide at some point.

[drave]

Shit, some of the Matrix cartoons were better than the movie. Fight me.

[Destor]

the animatrix is vastly superior to the 2nd and 3rd films

[Kalyx triaD]

Speaking of that the 'Star Wars Animatrix' thing is out on Disney+. You'd think they make a bigger deal of the launch, I just stumbled on it adding Bad Batch to my queue.

[M-A-G]

Already have a friend haranguing me about needing to see Venom: Let There Be Carnage, which I won't be doing.

[Destor]

ill watching it when it hits streaming. i dont want sony thinking that their IPs are fine on their own. that next contract negotiation is pivotal

[Lock Jaw]

Still never watched the first one.... thought about watching it and then going to watch the sequel today on my day off work.... but then on the other hand I thought "nah"

[Destor]

the 1st is the opposite of good

[Destor]

...the word isnt coming to me....

[Destor]

oh yeah: bad. the first one is bad.

[M-A-G]

Got another friend who shared a video with me in which another dumb conspiratorial dork tries to make something out of Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch in "WandaVision" at the same time He Who Remains reaches the realization that he can't see the future anymore in "Loki". He even synchs up the audio and video to show that the two events happen concurrently and that's supposed to prove....something. That's sort of the problem with these dumbasses. Also, never mind that Wanda is supposed to be in the present and Loki and company are off at the end of time. I can always picture these types of people as just one bad day away from becoming that obsessed lunatic with corkboards littered with pictures and diagrams pinned to them, all connected with red string. I had to tell my friend that at this point in time it's safe to dismiss these kinds of people because it eventually turns out that everything they spew DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!

[XL]

I watched the Post Credit as I know I won’t be catching it at the cinema. Interesting.

[Tom Guycott]

Speaking of that the 'Star Wars Animatrix' thing is out on Disney+. You'd think they make a bigger deal of the launch, I just stumbled on it adding Bad Batch to my queue.

:y:

I just finished that up yesterday. Interesting concept with the different studios making independent fanfics, but the range in quality shifts as vastly as the tone. That first Kurosawa-esque episode was FUCKING AMAZING, and the one with the twins was FUCKING ABYSMAL.

[M-A-G]

So the final "What If...?" episode, huh? Interesting collection of Guardians. The premise had a vibe of Ultimate Alliance after that game's third act; which is good because that game is awesome. Having a thread saved the whole series from being a complete wash but if there's a season two, I'm not sure where they go. I'd like it if they started incorporating the Netflix series' characters in some fashion.

[Destor]

what if finale


a literal nazi saved the multiverse. talk about inclusion!

[Fignuts]

What a great finale.

Also, I would not be against Captain Carter making an appearance in the movies once the multiverse gets ripped open.

[M-A-G]

what if finale


a literal nazi saved the multiverse. talk about inclusion!

Yeah, but being a computer essentially, I'm sure there are some upset fans because he's not non-binary.

:shifty:

[Destor]

what ifs attention to lore was pretty awful though which is frustrating because the mcu has been very good about it by in large and more over in comics what if stories typically reward attention to detail where here we have a complete disregard for it


for instance this wrap up plot. ultron gets the stones and begins destroying alternate universes...except Loki just established stones ONLY work in their own universe. what if disregarded the most recent canonical show. i dunno. i decided to just enjoy it for the sake of being a stupidly fun way to spend 30 min but thats your only option. acknowledge that its going to be stupid and forgive before it has the chance to surprise you with it.

[Destor]

i did enjoy the show the show though. just left me wanting.

[M-A-G]

I thought Loki established that the Infinity Stones don't work in the TVA's world. I don't remember anyone saying that they wouldn't work in other universes.

[Destor]

nah its specifically stated they are tied to the universe they came from. true in the comics too btw. raises a funny potential since they tied captian marvels power to the tesseract. its possible if she left her universe she might be powerless

[Kalyx triaD]

The writer mentioned something about Ultron using the stones to power himself hence so many physical attacks and punching thru universes mixed up everything into a "soup".

But that's just spinning the fact that Loki was probably written the same time as What If and some world building just falls thru the cracks. Otherwise there should have been some TVA activity in that finale, it's literally their job to deal with exactly this.

[Shadow]

Yeah no.

Loki established that Stones taken out of the MCU timeline don't work in the TVA not that they don't work outside of their own universe. Also this is
What If, not the main MCU so the rules don't work the same

[Lock Jaw]

Agatha getting her own spinoff series on Disney+

[Fignuts]

Ok, that's a bit much.

[Destor]

Yeah no.

Loki established that Stones taken out of the MCU timeline don't work in the TVA not that they don't work outside of their own universe. Also this is
What If, not the main MCU so the rules don't work the same
ffalse on the first count and utterly ridiculous on the second.

[Lock Jaw]

Ok, that's a bit much.

Yeah....

[Tom Guycott]

i did enjoy the show the show though. just left me wanting.

I liked it... but*



On the idea about the stones working or not working, you kinda have to throw out the comic canon where they shouldn't since MCU, at times, does its own shit. In this case, the stones don't work in the TVA as a specific safeguard in the TVA... but it doesn't quite include the multiverse in the MCU. The MCU idea of "branching timelines" is the basis of the movie universe multiverse, and since this shit is basically splintered time paths from the same vine instead of distinct numbered universes running in some sort of interdimentional parallel, they are *essentially* the same universe. There is a lot of conflating of timeline divergence and pure multiverse theory here just to make stuff plot convenient... like the crusher not working, but two different time stones exist in a third universe and both work.

I'm thinking, ultimately, we're not supposed to think so much about it. The more you think about it, the more it falls apart, but if you look at it only at face value, it works well enough to seem legit enough to buy. Sort of like how Magic and Science started off as essentially the same thing based on level of comprehension, but later being defined as two entirely different things.

Arguments about stones aside; I liked it... but*

I was a bit disappointed. I mean, nice to wrap things up like that, but even the title of the episode implied something it never touched on. "What If... The Watcher Broke His Oath?" Apparently, the answer is nothing. There was no consequence of his interference, right, wrong, or indifferent. The oath is just there as a matter of principle, then?

It's one thing where Demon Strange became so powerful that he could actually percieve and communicate with him, but it's quite another when he could just plop apocalypse Natasha in another universe.

The stone thing was easy to ride past for me, lest you fall in the quagmire I went into before about what the stones should/shouldn't do vs what is plot convienent and canonical for the MCU, but this was alluded to have some sinister cosmic consequences for actually sticking his nose into events and affecting outcomes. And even though it wasn't exactly his fault Ultron expanded his mind enough to put all of existance at risk, what was the Watcher's prohibition besides his own word?

... all that said, though it might not seem like it is so, I actually liked it. Again, without putting much thought into it. And overall, this seemed more like an excuse to exercise some stuff that may have hit some cinematic cutting room floors from various MCU movies and shows.

[Lock Jaw]

Eternals reviews starting to come in, and currently sitting below Thor: The Dark World scores on "Rotten Tomatoes "

[Fignuts]

Not surprising, it looks fucking boring.

[Fignuts]

I've tried to get into the comics several times because I love cosmic stuff, and eternals serves as an introduction to the celestial, but I've had to give up every time. They're just not interesting characters at all.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I read one Eternals thing once and it was mad boring

[Lock Jaw]

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[Fignuts]

Fuck yeah

[M-A-G]

https://i.imgur.com/sqS86A2.jpg

[Destor]

woah

[drave]

Holy fucking balls!!!!!!


Its gonna be soooooooooooo good.

[Fignuts]

Very brief previews of Moon Knight and She Hulk look good. Moon Knight especially looks like they captured the tone of the character perfectly.