MLB 2007 Season Thread

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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

While I am glad the Yankees lost tonight, would have liked to see it go to 5 games so the pitching would be fucked up for the ALCS. Whatever though, I don't think I could have taken another Red Sox/Yankees playoff series

[Innovator]

Watching Torre talk now, hard to imagine him gone

[Innovator]

While I am glad the Yankees lost tonight, would have liked to see it go to 5 games so the pitching would be fucked up for the ALCS. Whatever though, I don't think I could have taken another Red Sox/Yankees playoff seriesThe last two took years off my life

[Dragon]

Bottom line is you can't have your "ace" bomb in two games in a 5-game series and not expect to get screwed. Yeah, the hitting wasn't there at times but pitching was the biggest problem.

Torre should be back next year no matter what but I don't see it happening. It'll be a step back if Torre is gone though.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>As I said, gonna be reallllll interesting if Joe goes to see who's loyal to him and who's loyal to the team.</font>

[Skippord]

I'd like to see Fausto Carmona dominate the Sox

[weather vane]

Can't wait to win the WS again.

[Loose Cannon]

I'd say bring Joe back for one more. Let him go down with the stadium. Plus I'm heading back to NY next year, so he needs to be there when I'm at a Yankee game :(

[SammyG]

Whoever makes it from the NL will most likely get killed by the Red Sox. But a Sox Rocks world series would be amazing.

[Skippord]

The Rockies are unstoppable

[Skippord]

*says this knowing they will probably lose to the D-Backs to spite me

[FakeLaser]

I do not wish to comment.

[darkpower]

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Should say how happy I am to see THAT score.

Really, cannot blame anyone but themselves. That and Cleveland had some good pitching and was more productive during the series. The players that had to come up with the big plays, save Damon, couldn't.

Looking forward to seeing a VERY interesting series for the ALCS.

[YOUR Hero]

Cleveland owneeeed the Yankees. They were lucky to have gotten a win in the series.

*dives back into home renos*

[ClockShot]

Shed a little tear last night and just this morning when I woke up.

And now begins the speculation of what happens to our Manager. Any thoughts?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If this is how Torre goes it'll be sad, but it might also have been the perfect way that ends up with him in the Reds dugout next year. His wife is from Cincinnati and a lifelong Reds fan and while the media outlets in Cincy are probably the toughest of any small market team, they're nowhere close to anything like New York. Come on Steinbrenner, do the right thing.

[Loose Cannon]

Maybe it is time to let the past go and move on. We did it in 1995 and now 11 years later, it's time to do it again. I remember being heartbroken in 1995, 13 years old, when Don Mattingly played his Final game with NY. Out went Showalter, Mike Stanley, Pat Kelly, Danny Tartabull and Tony Fernandez. In came the core of players that would eventually create the dynasty.

And here we are again. Do we say goodbye to Rivera, Posada, and Pettite (for the final time)? Do we let A-Rod walk and pick up guys that remind you of the Paul Oneils', Scott Brocious', Chuck Knobs' and Tino Martinezs'? Do we say goodbye to the big money contracts like Giambi, Abreau, and Matsui?


Guys like Hughes, Joba, Cano and Cabrera proved to me in this series they are the future. You win playoffs with these types of players.

I think we should let the past go, but look back on it as a reminder of how to breed success. And as Yankee Stadium falls next year, maybe that will the final symbolic end to the Joe Torre era.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really wish A-Rod didn't hit that home run last night, just want to see what everyone would be saying right now

I'd have to imagine people still are talking about how he came pretty short in the playoffs yet again though, I mean that solo HR was pretty much it for him. Not mention most people have a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and he struck out twice in his first 2 at bats (in 3 pitches both times) both times with people in scoring position (if I remember correctly)

Even though I hit he is a huge fag for throwing over Youk's head twice, Joba is the future of the Yankees.

[RP]

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[RP]

WHATS THAT YANKEES? AH P-PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

[Loose Cannon]

and no, we should not have anything to do with Santana this off season.

[Dragon]

and no, we should not have anything to do with Santana this off season.

I think the fact that Wang totally sucked this postseason and showed us he isn't a #1 by any stretch of the imagination is all the reason for Cashman to go for Santana. I'd assume he would offer anyone besides Hughes/Joba to see if he could get a deal done and if not hopefully he'd walk away.

[Loose Cannon]

I just don't want them to do that anymore though. It's another high contract. I'd rather get some young arms or guys who go out there and get the job done in the post season. I mean wtf, Paul Byrd? who would of thought.

[FakeLaser]

Why wouldn't you go for Santana? I can see not wanting to go after older guys and unproven free agents (see: Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa), but Santana is arguably the best pitcher in baseball AND he's only 28. He also has postseason pitching expeirence. If we don't have to give up anyone key (Hughes, Chamberlain, Melky, etc.) then I'd say go for it. You might as well never target a starting pitcher via trade/free agency again if you won't go after a guy like Santana.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well unless you plan on throwing a bunch of money at Carlos Silva or Freddy Garcia I don't think the Yankees have a lot of options outside the organization this coming offseason. Apparently there's another stud Japanese pitcher who wants to come over here and play but he's a forkballer with a history of arm injuries and I don't know if anybody wants to deal with that.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The only Japanese player coming over I've heard of is some outfielder named Fukidome or something.

Anyway...I really don't see the Yanks getting Santana because I have no doubt they'll want at least two of the Joba/Hughes/Kennedy triumvirate.

Ditto for the Mets...I'd love Santana in Mets blue and orange but it'll cost one of Wright/Reyes and probably Beltran plus more</font>

[Dragon]

Its not like Santana is an over the hill pitcher like Brown, Johnson, Clemens, etc... He's in his prime right now. I have no problem giving up prospects for Santana and paying him what he wants. Most contracts we got burned by were those older guys.

[FakeLaser]

I think the Yankees would be fucking retarded to let Posada or Rivera go. It's not like they have any internal options that can replace either, nor are there any decent enough free agents who will provide the same value. They're Yankee-lifers and should be treated as such.

I can see them letting Abreu go, but I like what he does for the lineup. I honestly believe A-Rod will be back as well. Same goes for Petitte. I think Torre will be back and everyone will be back. That's how it should be.

I really think this team deserves another shot. They should be brought back. The first half of the season was marred by injuries and uncertainty in both the rotation and bullpen. The young guys helped save our season and I think they deserve to have a go at it for a full season. We were the best second half team in baseball... imagine how we would have played if we had the same team first half. If we blow it next year then maybe it's time to think about restocking the team, but this isn't the year to do it. Our guys deserve one more shot, and it's also a terrible year to do it with a horrible free agent class.

If this team crumbles, Steinbrenner should be prepared for a down year next year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<font color=goldenrod>The only Japanese player coming over I've heard of is some outfielder named Fukidome or something.

Anyway...I really don't see the Yanks getting Santana because I have no doubt they'll want at least two of the Joba/Hughes/Kennedy triumvirate.

Ditto for the Mets...I'd love Santana in Mets blue and orange but it'll cost one of Wright/Reyes and probably Beltran plus more</font>
The pitcher isn't a free agent but he wants to come over and his club will probably let him since they'll get more than $30 million for his rights.

[Loose Cannon]

Why wouldn't you go for Santana? I can see not wanting to go after older guys and unproven free agents (see: Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa), but Santana is arguably the best pitcher in baseball AND he's only 28. He also has postseason pitching expeirence. If we don't have to give up anyone key (Hughes, Chamberlain, Melky, etc.) then I'd say go for it. You might as well never target a starting pitcher via trade/free agency again if you won't go after a guy like Santana.

actually didn't know he was only 28. well, my thinking is you know the Yankees will probably have to deal one of thier young guys. It's the Twins. I can see them wanting to go after a Cano or a Phil Hughues. If we can somehow deal an Abreau, Giambi, Matsui, then it will be worth it. Give him 5 years and options and that'll put him in his mid 30's.

I'm just timid though because these blockbuster contracts really aren't working.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Jon heyman of SI has listed odds for Torre's replacement if he in fact does not return to the team:

-Don Mattingly: 2-1
-Joe Girardi: 3-1
-Tony La Russa: 10-1
-Bobby Valentine: 15-1
-Larry Bowa: 25-1
-Tony Pena: 30-1
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Elsewhere the Tigers have announced they are gonna exercise Pudge's option.</font>

[Dragon]

Yeah, there is no problem with the position players if they bring back their own free agents. Mainly Posada and A-Rod, Rivera as well obviously. They need to deal with the pitching, plain and simple. They need a top of the rotation starter and bullpen help.

If they can somehow get Santana for a Kennedy, Tabata, Horne, etc... package then that would be huge. I don't see it happening but I would be very happy with a rotation of Santana, Pettitte, Wang, Hughes and Joba next year.

I still think the biggest mistake they are going to make this offseason is getting rid of Torre. From the way the post-game interviews and all that looked it seems he feels like he will be gone. And apparently LaRussa seems to be a top candidate, which is a pretty terrible choice all around. The other thing people are talking about is that Torre wanted to actually use Mussina that game yesterday but the upper brass wanted to use Wang. If Torre didn't make that decision then he was probably gone yesterday.

[Loose Cannon]

just thinking about prospects, what ever hapened to that Drew Henson kid who I was hearing was going to be some wonder kid for the Yankees?

[weather vane]

lol the yankees

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Would be awesome if the Yankees hired Tony LaRussa, that'd be fucking great

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd LOL if Bobby V. went to the Yanks. Can just imagine the interactions with him and George</font> :lol:

[ClockShot]

Somewhere around mid-season. Yankees made a bit of history by signing a chinese pitcher and his catcher to minor league deals. Has anybody heard how they did down on the farms?

But my take on it is this. Steinbrenner may have "the power" right now. But the clubhouse is really holding all the cards right now. A good chuck of the team is going to the market, A-Rod can use the option, and someone on here mentioned that Derek Jeter may ask for a trade if Torre goes (which I kinda see happening). What if this happens?

I'm with some of you guys right now. Keep Joe around for one more year. It's the last year for the stadium and you might as well make it his last. Keep the chunk of your team around and the man who took it on his back to get us this far.

Offseasonwise. Bring back Pettitte. Wang needs a little fine tuning and he should be the monster he was all season. Keep an eye on Mussina. Clemens is probably done for good. Keep an ear to the ground on Johan Santana. But the odd ball for me I think is Kei Igawa. What do we do to a 50 million dollar investment that can either be really good or really bad?

[McLegend]

La Russa in New York would be a train wreck.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Jeter on a different team? I could never picture that

[Dragon]

I don't think Jeter would ever ask to be traded. Doesn't make much sense for him at all. He knows Torre won't be here forever anyway.

[Hanso Amore]

Jeter will retire a Yankee. Anyone who suggest otherwise is crazy. Outside of NY he is a great shortstop. He is a god in NY. You will see Babe Ruth back on the Sox before you see Jeter elsewhere.

[Hanso Amore]

Oh, and if Donnie Baseball isnt the new manager I riot. Fuck La Russa. If he is so great why did it take 16 years between titles?

[ClockShot]

And for those wondering. Here's a list I dug up of the Yankees free agents after this season is done with.

from mlb4u.com

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>Player (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=lastname)</TD><TD>Team (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=team)</TD><TD>Position (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=position)</TD><TD>Roster (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=rosterstatus)</TD><TD>Service (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=servicetime)</TD><TD>Agent (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=agent)</TD><TD>Age (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=age)</TD><TD>Opt (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php?order=faOption)</TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Bobby Abreu (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=677)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>RF</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>9.165</TD><TD>Peter Greenberg</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>T</TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Jim Brower (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1011)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>RHRP</TD><TD>FA</TD><TD>5.129</TD><TD>Rex Gary</TD><TD>34</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Roger Clemens (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1089)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>RHSP</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>21.142</TD><TD>Randy and Alan Hendricks</TD><TD>45</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Jose Cruz Jr. (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=474)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>LF</TD><TD>Minors</TD><TD>9.016</TD><TD>Randy and Alan Hendricks</TD><TD>33</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Erubiel Durazo (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1007)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>1B</TD><TD>Minors</TD><TD>5.071</TD><TD>Diego Bentz</TD><TD>32</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Terrence Long (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1035)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>LF</TD><TD>MFA</TD><TD>5.17</TD><TD>Casey Close</TD><TD>31</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Doug Mientkiewicz (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=867)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>1B</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>7.013</TD><TD>Greg Landry</TD><TD>33</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Jose Molina (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=21)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>5.026</TD><TD>Alan Nero</TD><TD>32</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Jeff Nelson (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=1039)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>RHRP</TD><TD>Retired</TD><TD>12.135</TD><TD>Jay Franklin</TD><TD>40</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Andy Pettitte (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=206)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>LHSP</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>Randy and Alan Hendricks</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>P</TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Jorge Posada (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=987)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>10.085</TD><TD>Sam and Seth Levinson</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>P</TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Todd Pratt (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=398)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>FA</TD><TD>12.052</TD><TD>Himself (fired agent Peter Grosz after 2005 season)</TD><TD>40</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Mariano Rivera (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=990)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>CL</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>11.105</TD><TD>Fernando Cuza</TD><TD>37</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Alex Rodriguez (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=991)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>12.011</TD><TD>Scott Boras</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>P</TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Ron Villone (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=994)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>LHRP</TD><TD>15-Day</TD><TD>10.112</TD><TD>Scott Boras</TD><TD>37</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=faplay><TD>Luis Vizcaino (http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=171)</TD><TD>New York Yankees</TD><TD>RHRP</TD><TD>25-man</TD><TD>5.14</TD><TD></TD><TD>33</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

While on this site. They got some predictions on where the rest of the league might go. Some of them might blow your mind.

Here's the link. http://www.mlb4u.com/topfa07.php

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Some of those predictions are beyond ridiculous.

I hope most of them are false, too. Mets re-signing Aaron Sele</font> *puke*

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Todd Pratt is gonna be a tough loss for the Yanks

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just looking over the site, some of their predictions seem really random. Is Eric Gagne really that high up on the free agent list? Also, Mike Lowell will be back with the Red Sox, the next best 3rd basemen they have is Kevin Youkilis and he is currently breaking records (like most chances without an error) over at first so I can't see them letting him go.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>haha Todd Pratt. Always gonna be a mark for him for 1999</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rivera testing the free agent market!!!!!!

It seems like all everyone is talking about is what the Yankees are gonna do and not even talking about the Indians at all

[RP]

Rivera testing the free agent market!!!!!!

It seems like all everyone is talking about is what the Yankees are gonna do and not even talking about the Indians at all


Good for him. If they really wanted to keep him, they would have giving him a deal before this season even began. Now they're fucked. Maybe they'll pick up Mussina's gigantic option and have him be there closer.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Boras hinting that A-Rod's gonna be looking for a $40 mil a year deal. :| What has the world come to?

That being said, I'd love him on the Mets...A-Rod would generate more than $40 mil in revenues easily. Shame Coupon would never go for it. If they don't at least make an offer I'll be pissed.</font>

[OssMan]

I hate a-rod so damn much I would hate him on the mets, mother fuck.

[darkpower]

It seems like all everyone is talking about is what the Yankees are gonna do and not even talking about the Indians at all

Yeah, that is what it's sad about all of this. No one in the media right now (save for some people on ESPN) realized that they wrote off the Indians in the ALDS and Roma in Game 4 (if I remembered his name right), but they proved that this is like another season and the regular season numbers meant nothing in the postseason.

There have been some that have picked the Indians to win the World Series this year and are sticking to that. They have some good pitching and they can bring the bats. It's also significant that they made it tough on the yanks to close out an inning (how many hits/runs did they get with 2 outs with RISP again). Boston is not like the Yanks and won't be making similar mistakes, but no one should write the Indians off (and judging from how suddenly ESPN keeps saying that even though Boston owned Cleveland like NY did in the regular season, Cleveland got the job done when it counted).

I think the ALCS is going to be really entertaining, and if anyone can beat the Bosox, it's the Tribe, and vice versa. I would still pick the Tribe in six, though.

[Dragon]

Yeah, pretty sure the Indians were batting a ridiculous .500 with RISP and 2 outs this whole series.

[Skippord]

I hate Scott Boras

[Innovator]

First two games of the ALCS will decide it. Whoever can hit the other's ace will get serious momentum. I see Beckett picking up the win though.

[Hardkore Kidd J]

Yeah, there is no problem with the position players if they bring back their own free agents. Mainly Posada and A-Rod, Rivera as well obviously. They need to deal with the pitching, plain and simple. They need a top of the rotation starter and bullpen help.

If they can somehow get Santana for a Kennedy, Tabata, Horne, etc... package then that would be huge. I don't see it happening but I would be very happy with a rotation of Santana, Pettitte, Wang, Hughes and Joba next year.

I still think the biggest mistake they are going to make this offseason is getting rid of Torre. From the way the post-game interviews and all that looked it seems he feels like he will be gone. And apparently LaRussa seems to be a top candidate, which is a pretty terrible choice all around. The other thing people are talking about is that Torre wanted to actually use Mussina that game yesterday but the upper brass wanted to use Wang. If Torre didn't make that decision then he was probably gone yesterday.

As much as I'd like Santana for Horne/Kennedy/ Tabata etc. We probably won't get him for less then Joba, Hughes, Cabera etc.etc. etc.

I really don't think Mo and Posada will be back unless of course Torre was there. From what I hear Mariano is very upset about Torre being replaced. I'm guessing the same with Posada. We need to find a way to get all 4 of them back. A-rod, Torre, Mo, Posada for 2008.

I can really see Santana going to Boston for something like a Lester/Buchholz/Moss etc.etc. package. If that happens then the Yankees are pretty screwed. I say as long as we don't trade Joba or Hughes we try to work out a deal with Minnesota Even if we have to trade Melky we could always try to get Rowand in the offseason.

[ClockShot]

I can really see Santana going to Boston for something like a Lester/Buchholz/Moss etc.etc. package. If that happens then the Yankees are pretty screwed. I say as long as we don't trade Joba or Hughes we try to work out a deal with Minnesota Even if we have to trade Melky we could always try to get Rowand in the offseason.

I doubt the Yankees would get rid of of Melky. We'd probably keep an ear to the ground with Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones in case we don't bring back Abreu. But we may also need a 1st Baseman as well. Depending if we take back Doug Mienkiewicz or go to Wilson Betemit or Andy Phillips.

[SammyG]

Fuck Brandon Webb.

[RoXer]

Fuck you.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol this radio station was listing all the negatives with La Russa coming to NY and one of them was "Would probably decide to not use the DH and bat the pitcher 8th" :lol:

Sad part is I can see it.</font>

[YOUR Hero]

What pisses me off is how I hear some people talking how boring it's going to be without the Yankees or Cubs or Phillies even. That having Colorado, Cleveland and Arizona ='s boring. Well boo-hoo, they made it into the playoffs, they beat their 1st opponents, they deserve to be there.

What it is is they are small market teams and aren't fawned over by the media like the big market teams. Me, I think Arizona is an exciting team and the Rockies are very dangerous with their offence. Cleveland has a great pitching in the rotation and bullpen as well as Sizemore. I predicted they'd have a good year this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Red Sox are still in it

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Scheurholz expected to step down today</font> :cool:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Without question I would much rather watch Colorado than Chicago or Philadelphia. They are such an exciting team to watch.

[RoXer]

We didnt sell out.

I love it.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd love to see the look on FOX reps. faces if the series winds up being Cleveland/Colorado :o

That would be cool because it would guarantee that for another year no team will have won more than 1 WS in the 21st century</font>

[YOUR Hero]

Did you guys see that Canadian guy pitch a gem last night?

Missed most of the game as I was at a ceremony for the kids, what I saw though was the Arizona fans throwing water bottles, etc on the ice after Upton got called for interference.

[YOUR Hero]

Did you guys see that Canadian guy pitch a gem last night?

Missed most of the game as I was at a ceremony for the kids, what I saw though was the Arizona fans throwing water bottles, etc on the ice after Upton got called for interference.

[toxic rooster]

Yeah what's the rule on that?

I always thought as long as he can touch the base it's fair game :$

[YOUR Hero]

You can't go out of your way to interfere. It's to protect the 2nd basemen (or SS) from injury.

[YOUR Hero]

You can't go out of your way to interfere. It's to protect the 2nd basemen (or SS) from injury.

[MVP]

Beckett vs. Sabathia - matchup of the century tonight

BTW Jeff Francis is a beast

[SammyG]

great article about the Red Sox and their fans.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7323070?MSNHPHMA

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol

[RoXer]

"I'm not scared of plastic bottles," Rockies left fielder Matt Holliday said. "I lift weights for a reason. In case mayhem breaks out at the field and they start throwing stuff, I've got muscles."

lol

Also, wasn't it just like 4 guys throwing stuff?

[VonErichLives]

Me, I think Arizona is an exciting team and the Rockies are very dangerous with their offence.

Arizona doesn't even want to see Arizona... can't wait if it's a red sox vs. arizona WS and over 1/2 the stadium in Arizona are Red Sox fans.

[VonErichLives]

oh and the TV people care about money and the big market teams mean more people watch and they sell their ad space for more money.

a Boston vs. NYY ALCS would make more money for the networks then a Clev vs. Arizona WS.

[weather vane]

red sox gross

[Boondock Saint]

SOXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[Hanso Amore]

Man, without the Yanks fans, this thread only gets like 4 posts a day! I dont care about a small market world series, but a small market message board I will not endure!

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

oh and the TV people care about money and the big market teams mean more people watch and they sell their ad space for more money.

a Boston vs. NYY ALCS would make more money for the networks then a Clev vs. Arizona WS.
Really?

[mrslackalack]

Dusty Baker is the new manager of the Reds.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow that Youkilis at bat in the bottom of the 9th

[Loose Cannon]

good game

[Loose Cannon]

lol Gagne is blowing it and here's Trot. haha.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

FUCK

[Loose Cannon]

that's gotta hurt

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Gotta be fuckin kidding me

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This games over

[Boondock Saint]

:'(

[SammyG]

lol Gagne.

[MVP]

Great, now the series is tied and Dice-K is starting in Cleveland, which could be volatile. Hopefully Jake Westbrook is shit and we hit the ball like there's no tomorrow.

[weather vane]

We should come out firing.

[ClockShot]

So word going around is that the Steinbrenner boys have taken over day to day operations of the Yankees.

[OssMan]

Yankees are prob gonna announce whether or not Joe Torre is coming back during Superbowl week like what happened last year because the world will blow up if the Yankees are not getting any attention

[YOUR Hero]

Wow that Youkilis at bat in the bottom of the 9th

If he was any further out of the batter's box he'd have been the umpire. I couldn't believe he was getting away with such a blatant stance.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Are the Rockies ever going to lose?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>20 out of 21, completely ridiculous. They deserve to win the whole thing</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If he was any further out of the batter's box he'd have been the umpire. I couldn't believe he was getting away with such a blatant stance.
Kevin Youkilis does whatever the fuck he wants

[FakeLaser]

Until Joba Chamberlain throws at his dome TWICE

[FakeLaser]

Also, GO ROCKS

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

And misses his dome TWICE

Chamberlain fears Youkilis

[FakeLaser]

Youkilis fears Harlan Chamberlain

[MVP]

WOW Ortiz got tagged out by a ground ball after taking off on a bad hit and run.

[SammyG]

ROOOCKKKIIIIESSSSSS

[RoXer]

Wait, the D-Backs were in the playoffs?

THIS year?

...huh

[Hanso Amore]

So word going around is that the Steinbrenner boys have taken over day to day operations of the Yankees.

This is good! Steinbrenner's deep pockets without the asshole interfering and doing things old school.

[Hanso Amore]

I just noticed something. Heltons stats are down the last few years, just in time for the Humidor to come into use and the overall runs drop at Coors.

IS he perhaps over-rated?

Im a huge Helton fan, always defended him, but it just seems like his GREAT years were the product of coors, but it looks that way.

Maybe he is just really good, not Hall of Fame great. The guy can rake though.

[Hanso Amore]

Some Helton career Stats

--------G AB -- R --H ---2B -3B -HR -RBI -BB -K -SB CS AVG -OBP SLG OPS
Home 797 2856 687 1049 244 23 185 657 528 322 24 13 .367 .465 .663 1.128
Away 781 2807 417 829 -211 -8 118 430 452 438 12 13 .295 .394 .502 .897

Sorry its hard to read. I put little - in to help space ( or at least try.)

His 3Bs are WAY down away, his homers are down, rbis down, Ks up, OBP down, SLG way down when he is away in his career. Look at his average, 71 points down away! When you look at his numbers in normal parks his stats are not very good, but then his stats in Hitting land, and its great. Since they got the humirdor he has really fallen to earth.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit Rockies.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Might as well just save time and give them the rings and trophy now :heart:

[YOUR Hero]

Now the big worry for the Rockies will be their big layoff as they wait. I heard 8 days.

[FakeLaser]

Yeah 8 days is terrible, especially considering the momentum they've been riding for the past month.

[RP]

J.D. Drew is so clutch at not being clutch. If you need someone to " not " get a big hit in a clutch situation, someone to look at strikes and swing at balls. You need J.D. Drew.

[toxic rooster]

Big inning for the Tribe right therrre. Story of this postseason really, every guy is producing, every guy is doing the business. Find a weak bat in that lineup right now

conversely, what's happened to guys like Drew, Crisp, Youk etc this series? I think they said before they haven't an RBI between them :$

[toxic rooster]

and as I say that, Youkilis goes yard. pretty lol the fan getting that ball back to the infield

[RP]

Manny will see a pitch to the helmet his next at bat.

[OssMan]

Fucking baseball is having games going to 1:30 AM and the Worlds Series is gonna be in freaking November

[YOUR Hero]

I'm missing so much of the baseball playoffs this year because of the work I'm doing on the rental house. Dammmmmit.

Just sat down now to watch the end of the Clev/Bos game. How did the score get to 7-3?

[MVP]

I feel like the Red Sox are imploding in front of my eyes. It's like so much of the team has lost their passion.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wow Manny Ramirez is a douche. Hey we're down 7-3 I should probably stand at home plate with my hands in the air. What a bitch.

[weather vane]

fuck me...

[SammyG]

..DAMN.

Still think the Sox are gonna come back and win this series, TBH.

[YOUR Hero]

Wow Manny Ramirez is a douche. Hey we're down 7-3 I should probably stand at home plate with my hands in the air. What a bitch.

I saw that on the game/scoring recap. Thought maybe the Tribe were going to plunk him next AB. Best they didn't, they don't want to wake up the Sox too much going back to Fenway.

[Dragon]

http://www.nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif

What's next, screaming HA! at infield pop-ups...lol

[FakeLaser]

Well, this is the next best thing to the Yankees winning.

[toxic rooster]

lol Slappy O'Hairless

[toxic rooster]

Big matchup tomorrow but. CC needs to step up, he's been shaky on both his postseason starts. Plus they'll re-he-he-he-heally wanna get the business done in Cleveland, to save going to Boston and Carmona and whatnot.

And then there's small 'Cy Young' matter to worry about

[FakeLaser]

Come on, Beckett has Cy Young on lockdown

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

J.D. Drew is so clutch at not being clutch. If you need someone to " not " get a big hit in a clutch situation, someone to look at strikes and swing at balls. You need J.D. Drew.
Clutch doesn't exist according to TPWW

Also it looked like Pedoria was trying to slide, then noticed he was gonna get hit in the face with glove so put his hands up. It's not like he slapped it away A-Rod style then looked around like he did nothing wrong.

Red Sox are down but I dunno if any team can come back I think its this team. A couple of the bats wake up its a different story....just a question of the bats waking up or not. I'd really like to see Drew get benched in favor of Ellsbury, or maybe even Coco. Crisp is gone after this season anyway

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'd love to see a huge offseason for the Mets this year.....I can see it now...</font>

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/attachment.php?attachmentid=11349&stc=1&d=1192668064

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:shifty: <font color=goldenrod>Hey, I can dream</font>

[FakeLaser]

I'd love to see a huge offseason for the Mets this year.....I can see it now...

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/attachment.php?attachmentid=11349&stc=1&d=1192668064

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:shifty: Hey, I can dream
http://www.surfspot.co.uk/acatalog/yeah_right_skate_dvd_05.jpg

[OssMan]

Yeah man lets get a bunch of fucking Yankee players who I have hated for my entire life and throw them in with all of our other Latino players

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>AssMan you are seriously retarded if you would rather have Wagner closing over Rivera.</font>

[McLegend]

Pat Burrell owns Billy Wagner

[Supreme Olajuwon]

apparently Jeter had two girls up in his hotel room last night and he wouldn't pay for their parking this morning

[SammyG]

lollll

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol everyone is blowing up over what Manny said yesterday, talking about how it isn't the end of the World if the Sox lose tonight. Personally I think people are taking it way out of context, I think he really meant that the team is going into tonight's game with a relaxed attitude. While he probably could have worded it better, I don't think he is gonna go to the game tonight and not give a fuck about what happens...which is what a lot of people around here are making it seem like.

Guess Drew is getting benched tonight in favor of Kilty, makes sense since Kilty has had good success against Sabathia and Drew sucks against him. Well Drew pretty much sucks against everyone. Really want to see Ellsbury in the line up though, I think he would provide such a big spark to a dead offense

[Hardkore Kidd J]

I'd love to see a huge offseason for the Mets this year.....I can see it now...

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/attachment.php?attachmentid=11349&stc=1&d=1192668064

http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/attachment.php?attachmentid=11351&stc=1&d=1192668084

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:shifty: Hey, I can dream

:lol: They've got as much chance doing that as the Yankees have at trading Carl Pavano for Miguel fricken Cabrera to play third if A-rod leaves.

[SammyG]

LOL MANNY, ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7342858

[Triple A]

Torre turned down a 1 year deal offer.

[FakeLaser]

Torre turned down a 1 year deal offer.
:'(

Way to ruin my mood

[Dragon]

The Yankees handled the whole thing terribly. Making Torre take a pay-cut and giving him a 1 year deal just so he could go through the whole thing again next year? Terrible. It just seems like the front office didn't want him back so they give him that contract knowing he would reject it. That keeps them from looking like the bad guys.

[Innovator]

FUCK

Can't wait for the train wreck that will be next year

[RP]

LOL@ Torre pimp slapping the Yanks. Torre is easily the highest paid manager in the league next year if he goes to another team. You pump your chest and tell him he's fired if he dont win a series. Then he loses and you offer him a 1 year contract, just so you can be told to shove it up your ass. Thats awsome.

He'll probably be coaching the Dodgers next year. For alot of money. Cause he's Joe Torre. He's a pimp like that.

[Dragon]

The way Cashman and the front office has handled things lately have seemed to piss a lot of people off. First with Bernie then with Torre.

I don't think it was a money thing with Joe; I'd assume its more the fact that he felt disrespected. Which I really do think he was.

The Yankees are definitely taking a step back next year I think. And this offseason could turn up horrible with Mo, Posada and A-Rod pretty much free agents.

[Innovator]

All that money "they're saving" by not bringing Joe back is going to be spent now bringing Mo and Posada back, probably more

[Dragon]

Yup, its pretty obvious the Yankees wanted him gone but wanted to save face by offering him a contract. I'm pretty sure 2 million dollars isn't a huge problem if they really wanted him back.

[RP]

No, its gunna be spent bringing Roger Clemens back for 15 more games next year. Cause the Yankees are morons like that.

[SammyG]

If you didn't read that article, it basically says that Manny said it's no biggie if the Sox lose out, he wouldn't care.

[SammyG]

and lol Torre.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If you didn't read that article, it basically says that Manny said it's no biggie if the Sox lose out, he wouldn't care.
lol everyone is blowing up over what Manny said yesterday, talking about how it isn't the end of the World if the Sox lose tonight. Personally I think people are taking it way out of context, I think he really meant that the team is going into tonight's game with a relaxed attitude. While he probably could have worded it better, I don't think he is gonna go to the game tonight and not give a fuck about what happens...which is what a lot of people around here are making it seem like.

[RP]

Offering Joe Torre 1 year is a joke.

[Dragon]

Offering him a performance-based contract when he has made the postseason every single year he has managed the team is even more of a joke. 12 straight playoffs, 6 world series appearances and 4 world series wins in 12 years should put him above a performance-laced contract.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Glad Torre said fuck you to the Yanks. That deal was an insult. There were escalators that would raise the deal an extra million for every playoff series win, as if they felt Joe wasn't motivated enough.

Gonna be interesting to see what happens with Mo and Posada now. Mo has said that Joe Torre will greatly impact his decision. We'll see.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

I love Torre, but I think they are moving away from the way things have been and trying to start a new dynasty. We have young stars, somewhat new ownership, and soon a new coach.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=50

this is part of the reason why I hate ESPN now. They do these ranking lists which is fine but they put no thought into them at all. They have Davey fucking Johnson on the list of greatest managers of all time? Billy Martin? Leo Durocher? Earl Weaver? And they don't even have Sparky Anderson on there. Seriously I need to figure out a way to get on ESPN's payroll because no one there does any work at all.

[ClockShot]

Gonna be a pretty rough year next year. :'(

[FakeLaser]

Offering him a performance-based contract when he has made the postseason every single year he has managed the team is even more of a joke. 12 straight playoffs, 6 world series appearances and 4 world series wins in 12 years should put him above a performance-laced contract.
Fucking idiots, I swear

[RP]

Who's better then Joe Torre? Is there a better option? Honestly. Makes no sense

[RP]

I'm gunna fuck the shit out of this blonde on the pregame Jeane Zelsko? Yah. Putting it in her mouth.

[YOUR Hero]

The Yankee organization is in a real lose/lose situation. They must be getting raked over the coals in the media over their handling of this Torre affair.

[Dragon]

Its gotta be either Girardi or Mattingly I'm guessing. Definitely worried about Mattingly handling the team and Girardi was fired from Florida because he argued with the whole front office constantly. That should go over really well here.

[YOUR Hero]

Oh Manny :lol:

[Dragon]

LOL. I wonder how long Manny was staring at that one before he started moving

[mrslackalack]

Where will Torre manage next? I see him possibly with a team like the Dodgers.

[YOUR Hero]

Beckett looks impressive. Damn...

[toxic rooster]

Ortiz scored from first in the time it took Manny to leg that single :$

[YOUR Hero]

Marion Jones has nothing on Ortiz

[toxic rooster]

Put a shift on Ortiz with a lefty busting 90 :$

I could have told them not do to that

[toxic rooster]

now he just overthrowing

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What a stupid design, why the fuck would you have 3 feet of some random flat surface right behind the wall?

Manny is still the man regardless

[mrslackalack]

Manny being Manny lol

[MVP]

Jacobs Field is fucking gay. That was a homerun.

[toxic rooster]

In fairness, that was a like one in a million bounce

[SammyG]

lol I woulda loved it if Beckett knocked Lofton's ass out.

[MVP]

In fairness, that was a like one in a million bounce

Yeah I was just venting :$

[MVP]

lol I woulda loved it if Beckett knocked Lofton's ass out.

I remember a couple of years ago when Lofton was in Philly and Beckett was on Florida and he dropped the bat on ball 4 and Beckett yelled at him. Almost started a fight then too.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna be interesting to see what happens if it gets to Game 7 with Dice-K. 2 days rest is a pitcher's throw day during the regular season so I bet we'll see Beckett come in for an inning or two if necessary</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Manny being Manny lol
17 game hit streak in the playoffs...all time leader

Dude doesn't care about the game though

[weather vane]

OH FUCK YES

[RP]

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna be interesting to see what happens if it gets to Game 7 with Dice-K. 2 days rest is a pitcher's throw day during the regular season so I bet we'll see Beckett come in for an inning or two if necessary</font>


Are you kidding me? If it gets to a game 7 and Beckett dont start, Terry Francona will be fired before he gets to the lockeroom.

[RP]

There will be a riot in Boston if Dice K is run out there for a game 7.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>ahahaha I love Josh Beckett</font>

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[VonErichLives]

There will be a riot in Boston if Dice K is run out there for a game 7.

nah, everyone is expecting Dice-K to start and be on a very short leash... ie. could be pulled in the 2nd inning.

Becket wont start, if it's a close game, he'll be on 2days rest, which is probably his side session day, so he could be good for 2 ip.

you'll also have wakefield, lester and pretty much everyone else except schilling.

of course this assume a game 6 win, and schilling going 7-8ip, otherwise even with a win if schilling gets knocked out early on saturday it changes who you'll have sunday.

honestly, game 6 worries me more then game 7.

[RP]

If they dont start Beckett i'll laugh so hard. But, i dont think it'll matter unless Schilling somehow musters up another post season miracle.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

ROFL Beckett's post game comments

I don't really know what they are gonna do for Game 7...gotta get threw Game 6 first

Hopefully Schilling can pull another miracle out of his ass, dudes probably got a nice chunk of change riding on this game in terms of his contract for next season, you never know........

[SammyG]

LOL Beckett

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Remember when Joba threw at Youk and Beckett was on the top step of the dugout yelling "YOU FUCKING CUNT YOU FUCKING CUNT" and they stayed on him for like a good 10-15 seconds hahah

[ClockShot]

For those who care.

Trey Hillman expected to be named Royals manager.

[VonErichLives]

If they dont start Beckett i'll laugh so hard. But, i dont think it'll matter unless Schilling somehow musters up another post season miracle.

stick to football. :p

you don't have a guy start on 2days rest, especially this time of year. He wouldn't be near 100% and you're risking injury and not having him for a possible next series.

Dice-K will start, in a worst need scenario I could see 1 maybe 2IP of relief from beckett, but that's it and only if it's a close game.

Only one I can recall was didn't Kevin Brown for SD pitch like every 3rd game and relief inbetween?

on Schilling, interesting stat... appaerently when he faces a team a 2nd time in a post-season series he's like 5-0 and his ERA drops 2 points... Schillings is not physically what he used to be, but mentally he still is and that's what will help him.

I honestly have no game 6 prediction and wouldn't bet with someone elses money.

I hope for a win, a loss wouldn't shock me.

[VonErichLives]

For those who care.

Trey Hillman expected to be named Royals manager.

ok, is something lost in translation or are the "Nippon Ham Fighters" just a team that keeps kosher?

[RP]

stick to football. :p

you don't have a guy start on 2days rest, especially this time of year. He wouldn't be near 100% and you're risking injury and not having him for a possible next series.

Dice-K will start, in a worst need scenario I could see 1 maybe 2IP of relief from beckett, but that's it and only if it's a close game.

Only one I can recall was didn't Kevin Brown for SD pitch like every 3rd game and relief inbetween?

on Schilling, interesting stat... appaerently when he faces a team a 2nd time in a post-season series he's like 5-0 and his ERA drops 2 points... Schillings is not physically what he used to be, but mentally he still is and that's what will help him.

I honestly have no game 6 prediction and wouldn't bet with someone elses money.

I hope for a win, a loss wouldn't shock me.

Umm i dont know if you've watched the rest of this series or not, but Josh Beckett with a tired arm, is better then everything you can run out there for game 7 unless they decide to start Lester. He's young and he could handle 5 to 6 innings to give it to Lester.

Dice-K couldnt make it past 5 innings without giving up 6 hits, 4 runs. Schilling couldnt get past 5 innings without giving up 9hits and 5 runs. Wakefield couldnt get past 5 innings. He gave up 5 hits 5 runs.

Have fun watching a rookie pitch game 7 of the ALCS if it even gets that far.

[Skippord]

:)

[mrslackalack]

A little suprised at Hillman. I thought he would wait and see if he would get the Yankees job first (although hes a longshot)

[Loose Cannon]

Nothing wrong with what Manny said. He's got the calm and relaxed attitude. I am the same way. So what f shit happens, it's not the end of the world. Really don't see the problem when we're talking about Manny here.

Now Josh Beckett. I just hate the guy. huge prick since high school. good pitcher, huge dick.

[Skippord]

It'd be pretty sweet if Kenny Lofton punched Josh Beckett in his stupid face

[VonErichLives]

Umm i dont know if you've watched the rest of this series or not, but Josh Beckett with a tired arm, is better then everything you can run out there for game 7 unless they decide to start Lester. He's young and he could handle 5 to 6 innings to give it to Lester.

Dice-K couldnt make it past 5 innings without giving up 6 hits, 4 runs. Schilling couldnt get past 5 innings without giving up 9hits and 5 runs. Wakefield couldnt get past 5 innings. He gave up 5 hits 5 runs.

Have fun watching a rookie pitch game 7 of the ALCS if it even gets that far.


RP - you just don't get it, a "tired arm" as you called it is a major thing, they need the rest for a reason, having Beckett start and go 5-6IP is asking for disaster, not just in performance but what it could do to his arm. You don't risk having your ace for the next 5-10yrs blow out his arm.

Now, coming in for an inning or two in a tight game if Dice-K had put people on, maybe... but Dice-K is option 1, Lester and Wakefield are option 2/3... hopefully there will be no need for beckett.


Now Josh Beckett. I just hate the guy. huge prick since high school. good pitcher, huge dick.

just wondering why you feel that way, he's been a model teammate/player since he's been here, wasn't aware of any history... please inform?

It'd be pretty sweet if Kenny Lofton punched Josh Beckett in his stupid face

and your reason for disliking beckett?

See, i think it would have been funny if Lofton got himself tossed out for running at the mound and shooting his mouth off which the ump should have done, would have served him right. The dropping the bat on what he thought was ball 4 was a classless move, trying to stay out of the battersbox against Dice-K was a classless move...

I'm ok with how Beckett reacted in the heat of the game...

Hey LC, what were your thoughts when Clemens threw part of a bat at Piazza and later clamed he thought it was the ball...

I think a lot of athletes in many sports do things in the heat of the moment they regret later.

oh, and before someone bring it up, yes... Manny needs to stop watching his damn ball like a kid in the stands and run the damn bases when he hits a HR... the flip the bat thing him and Ortiz used to do is one thing... but this stand, stare, walk thing is getting annoying and i expect a few balls to come his way next season.

[Skippord]

I dont really care about Beckett

I just like Lofton. And Beckett has a stupid face

[SammyG]

The Colorado Rockies

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yankees fail if they don't hire George Costanza as their new manager</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Manny watching the ball is fucking awesome

Old Man Schilling on the hill tonight baby WOOOOOO

I am wasted

[MVP]

Maybe J.D. Drew doesn't suck so bad after all. :D

[RP]

Maybe J.D. Drew doesn't suck so bad after all. :D


LOL no trust me. J.D. Drew sucks balls. He's just having a good night at the right time.

I'm sure when this gets to game 7, he'll com up with bases loaded in the 9th in a tie game and 2 outs and strike out looking.

[RP]

Pls let Manny hit a HR here.

[Skippord]

Rockies World Series commercial


:love:

[VonErichLives]

LOL no trust me. J.D. Drew sucks balls. He's just having a good night at the right time.

I'm sure when this gets to game 7, he'll com up with bases loaded in the 9th in a tie game and 2 outs and strike out looking.

nah, Drew doesn't suck, he's also not a great player either. No question the Sox overpaid for him, but i also want to see him next year, i think the personal issues may have effected him this year, so i'll wait another year to pass full judgement. it's not like Renteria who couldn't handle Boston, Drew can... it's just a matter of getting his numbers up... heck, he's only a career like .280 hitter.

this tails on a conversation i had tonight at the bar, someone pissed at Drew for the money he's getting, I don't fault Drew for this year, I fault the Sox, they gave him the money, someone offers you more money then your worth to do the same job, who would say no?

anyway, game 7... come'on dice-k...

and wake, and lester and pappelbon...

[MVP]

I think Tony La Russa hit the nail on the head when he said that J.D. Drew is the type of player that settles for only giving 75% of his talent. I do believe he is gonna have a better season next year though, a la Beckett this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

3 runs, 2 earned over 7 IP.........yup

[VonErichLives]

I think Tony La Russa hit the nail on the head when he said that J.D. Drew is the type of player that settles for only giving 75% of his talent. I do believe he is gonna have a better season next year though, a la Beckett this year.

I think he gives 100%, I just don't think he gets "fired up" and "emotional" Bledsoe was the same way, it's just not in some peoples nature.

again, I want to see next season, I also factor his personal problems this year as a possible distraction.

He had a child born with sever medicle problems, I know that would keep me a little distracted.

[Kris P Lettus]

Report: Indians' Byrd bought nearly $25K of HGH


Paul Byrd (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5468), who pitched the Cleveland Indians (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cle) to the brink of the World Series with a victory in Game 4 of the ALCS on Tuesday, bought nearly $25,000 worth of human growth hormone and syringes, according to a published report. The San Francisco Chronicle reported Sunday that Byrd's purchase was from the Florida anti-aging clinic that was the focus of law enforcement for illegally distributing performance-enhancing drugs, according to business records. The paper reported that the purchases were made via credit card from the Palm Beach Rejuvenation Center between August 2002 and January 2005. In that time frame, Byrd pitched for the Kansas City Royals (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=kan), the Atlanta Braves (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=atl) and the Los Angeles Angels (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=laa). Byrd, who is 2-0 this postseason with a 3.60 ERA as a starter for Cleveland, did not comment after The Chronicle attempted to reach him through his agent via phone and e-mail. The Indians declined comment as well. The paper said Byrd spent $24,850 to buy more than 1,000 vials of growth hormone as well as hundreds of syringes. The records reviewed by The Chronicle included such items as purchase and shipping orders, Byrd's birth date and his Social Security number. The source that provided the records said the orders placed were consistent with personal use of HGH. During his 13-year career in which he has played for seven different teams, Byrd is 97-81 with a 4.35 ERA. This season, he started 31 games and had a 15-8 record with a 4.59 ERA.





http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3072845

Yeah, Red Sox would've already put them away if the weren't such cheaters..

[RP]

I heard about this at like 3am. Some guy on the radio brought up a fantastic point. 1,000 vials of growth hormone and hundreds of syringes??? Bird dont look like he's on steroids so it makes you wonder, was he the taker or the dealer?

But the funniest thing about this story was that not 15 minutes earlier i read this article on ESPN.

**** Warning ****

You'll laugh your fucking ass off knowing what you know now. Plus the...ehh just read it. Its pretty hilarious.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=alipour/071016&sportCat=mlb

[toxic rooster]

Erm...so he bought all this stuff before it was banned by the MLB, and then after it was banned in Jan 2005...suddenly no more records of any more purchases.

Yeah. What a cheat.

[Kris P Lettus]

But buying that much, he had to be selling it..

[RoXer]

Clutch moment for Drew here, RP...

[RoXer]

lol dp ends the inning

[Kris P Lettus]

I thought it was gonna be a replay of last night..

:(

[Loose Cannon]

oh what the fuck. Lofton was safe. grrrr, more missed calls.

[Kris P Lettus]

Someone's bitter..

[Loose Cannon]

of course the next guy gets a hit

[Loose Cannon]

wooo

[OssMan]

Dice-Cray vs. Absorbial Cabrera, matchup of the century

[RP]

So Okijima is basically releasing his pitches blind? They slowed it down to show his head jerk towards 3rd base and that what it looked like to me. Looks like just before he releases the pitch he dips his head down. I'd hate to see someone crush a line up the middle and hit him cause he'd never see it coming.

[MVP]

Damnit Westbrook. Really making this a nailbiter.

[Dragon]

LOL Lugo. Big error putting Lofton on second

[Loose Cannon]

jesus Lofton. what are you doing? who are you Eric Byrnes?

[Dragon]

Wow, stupid call by the third base coach. Probably would have scored there

[Loose Cannon]

you're shitting me!!!!!!!!!!!augsajgsjabsjabsj

[Loose Cannon]

he's fired

[McLegend]

Wow should not have been held

[MVP]

Close one...

[Loose Cannon]

god what the fuck. horrbile.

[Loose Cannon]

congrats to the Oakland Indians for fucking this game up via running bases.

[MVP]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PEDROIA :love:

[MVP]

Pedroia/Ellsbury FTW

I remember watching then together on the Portland Sea Dogs. Now look where they've gotten.

[OssMan]

Great the last thing the world needs is more Red Sox fans :roll:

[Kris P Lettus]

I wish they would stop talking about the stupid call by the third base coach..

[MVP]

Yeah fuck me for rooting for my home team :roll:

[OssMan]

Yeah fuck me for rooting for my home team :roll:Not talking about you talking about the 1 million Red Sox fans who are gonna be born by the stupid team making another worlds series

[Kris P Lettus]

I was talking more about the annoucers, bro..

[MVP]

That was meant for AssMan actually

[OssMan]

I was talking more about the annoucers, bro..No one is talking to you

[MVP]

Not talking about you talking about the 1 million Red Sox fans who are gonna be born by the stupid team making another worlds series

Gotcha. I find them annoying too.

[Kris P Lettus]

No one is talking to you

irony

[Triple A]

Fuck

[Kris P Lettus]

woo

Man, I thought this series was over after game 4..

woo

[Skippord]

Well its off to Boston then

[Kris P Lettus]

Another..

[Skippord]

May be a bit more difficult to sweep them