Marvel Universe Thread

[Jon Kano]

It's for kids. Fuckin moron

So? Fuckin PRICK

[Jeritron]

lol

[Jeritron]

It means you shouldn't take it so seriously. They're reworking things for kids so kids like it.

Batman The Animated Series came out because of Batman, but it had nothing to do with it.

[Jon Kano]

Yeah I get that man, I guess...... I just don't like it lol. Always changing shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

War Machine confirmed for Iron Man 2. The director has also expressed interest in IMAX tech after the The Dark Knight's IMAX scenes impressed him and Jim Cameron. He riffed about a 3D HUD for Iron Man!

[Kalyx triaD]

No Spidey Reboot, Film Canon Continues:

Sam Raimi and series star Tobey Maguire have signed on for Spider-Man 4 and 5, and with a slip to the press, Kirsten Dunst seems to be down as well. Hmmm... she also let slip the villains of Spidey 3 after all the work Sony went through to hide it. Not too bright is she?

[Destor]

Mother fucker. I was looking forward to seeing what some fresh blood could do with Spidey from top to bottom. Son of a fuck. Dunno if I'll be seeing these next two then...

[Destor]

The only person who didn't need to be re-casted in the worse way was J.J. Cause he's been great...ah well. Maybe we''ll get to see Bruce Campbell play Mysterio at least...

[Kalyx triaD]

Mysterio FTW. He'll bring some visual flash on screen and Bruce can bring him to life.

Next 3 Years Will Be Marvelous:

Marvel and Paramount are BFF now, and the following collaborations are official:

Iron Man 2 (May 7, 2010), Thor (July 16, 2010), The First Avenger: Captain America (May 6, 2011), and The Avengers (July 15, 2011). That's alot of comic-book action.

[U-Warrior]

I have no problems with the spidey news. Loved the first 2. The third had it's flaws, but was still really enjoyable. Although that wasn't really raimi's fault. Was the fault of the people who pushed to get venom in, when there was already 2 villains.

[XL]

Would be really wanna see a reboot this soon anyways? Would that involve having the Goblin back as the villain? Seems a bit early to be retreading old ground...

[Destor]

I dunno about starting fresh but a total recasting would be nice. YOu could keep with the continuity if you'd like.

[Jon Kano]

Can't see Captain America being any good, I mean wasn't he just invented to lift the spirits of the USA during wartime or something?

The whole concept of such a 'superhero' having their own feature film sounds proper...oh...I dunno...boring.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's narrative gold in the story of a guy who was frozen for a while. He was created as a symbol of an America past, an America the world loved and revered. Now imagine him waking up from a cold sleep to find his country disgraced, the land he loves turned to a global antagonist. Just yesterday he was overseas kicking Nazi's asses, he led the way on D-Day! Now in the year 2008... how do you even break 9/11 to him? The Iraq War? The fall of ideas the world over let alone America?

Cap's story, done right and not afraid to hit those topics, could be as compelling as the Dark Knight - albeit in a different fashion. There's alot of potential messages to be found.

[Destor]

Better than Captian Britian or whatever his name was. Totally powerless if he leaves his home land? Worst hero ever.

[Jon Kano]

Well at least audiences can relate to the leaving Britan part.

[Kalyx triaD]

The Man Without Fear:

Daredevil as been announced as releasing the reboot treatment as well. Fox says-

*Sigh*

Alright... I personally feel that any reboot within the span of a decade is too soon. Change directions and styles for a sequel, but abandoning entire franchises just seems rude to me. For instance; The Empire Strikes Back is so much better than Star Wars I consider it a reboot - within the franchise context. But whatever, that's just my take on the whole 'scrap it, try again' fad that Incredible Hulk kicked off (some of you may remember I disagreed with tossing out Ang's Hulk-verse entirely).

Anyway, Fox says The Dark Knight inspired them to create a DD film with true vision. I guess that's noble enough for one of Marvel's most tortured heroes (who's very comparable to Batman as well).

[Jeritron]

True vision for a blind character

[Kalyx triaD]

Zing!

[Rammsteinmad]

I really liked the Daredevil movie (in fact, I'm wearing my Daredevil movie t-shirt as I type this lol), and a reboot would be crap since the film only came out five years ago. They should just keep it as a sequel but with new actors.

Plus for Kalyx Triads post reference future Marvel films, it looks great, the problem is having to wait so fucking long!!!!!!!

[XL]

How successful is the latest Hulk film considered?

[Shaggy]

How successful is the latest Hulk film considered?

Its actually considered kind of a failure. It was planned to make as equal if not just a little above or below Iron Man. But I really dont think anyone could of planned for Iron Man to make that much money.


I just heard today there is a rumour going around that the Xmen Origins movie is to set up a Deadpool stand alone movie.

[The Destroyer]

How successful is the latest Hulk film considered?
Apparently it met Marvel's expectations. Which probably means it wasn't a huge success, but didn't do too badly.

[ClockShot]

Terrence Howard out as Jim Rhodes for Iron Man 2.

Don Cheadle gets the spot

[Reavant]

gay

[U-Warrior]

Seriously, Howard and Downey had awesome chemistry.

[Blitz]

Wow really? Flat out can't picture Cheadle as War Machine.

[Funky Fly]

Dude's got range, Blitzkrieg. If anyone can replace Howard, it's him.

Still, would have preferred Howard to stay on.

[Destor]

Cheadle is pretty great. Hate see re-casting but he's a great actor.

[Kalyx triaD]

Marvel Studios President of Production Kevin Feige recently spoke of Marvel U's success in film as well as its future.

On quality:

It has to do with the source material and the stories that Marvel has been telling for 70 years. It's due almost entirely to the fact that we've had writers and artists and creators that have been putting together some of the most amazing stories in any literature… Marvel has an embarrassment of riches. Technology is at a point where we can realize these things without them looking goofy or cheesy – which they still can, by the way. You can spend $500 million on something and still have it look terrible. That's the challenge. But certainly the odds are that with the proper care, technology will allow us to pull off something great.

On how "Batman & Robin" ironically boosted the comic movie business:

If you look at the end at the first incarnation of Batman, the failure of those movies was actually a boost not just for Batman, eventually, but for all of our films, and directly for X-Men. It showed people who were running studios that it's not just about money and visual effects. And on X-Men, of course, it was the attention to the comic book. Even if the costumes aren't the same, or the visual effects aren't there, if we just pay attention to the characters and get the core emotions of who they are, they're fascinating, and three-dimensional, and not cartoon-ish at all. Very few comic characters are "cartoony" …And with X-Men, it was unique at the time to show that on-screen, but here we are eight years later with the biggest summer ever for comic book movies.

On Avengers:

That's the fun part. The fun of a group-hero comic like The Avengers is not that there's five heroes running around together, it's that these are five heroes who you've been enjoying for years in their own titles coming together. And as different as Thor is from Iron Man is from The Incredible Hulk is from Captain America, when you throw them all together, you can play off that. You can see how the characters interact; you have the fun of how out of place Thor is… That's what his entire character arc is in Ultimates. You can have fun with it. But certainly it would be a mistake to start pigeon-holing or holding back certain characters just so they can "fit" into certain places we'd like to put them in later. It's a scripting issue how you make movies that can stand on their own two feet that can stand alone… and at the same time, reward fans for paying attention.

On the future:

Wolverine is coming out next May and the future of the X-Men franchise will be determined. Iron Man 2 is actively moving forward. We're well under way on that one with a May 7, 2010 release date. Thor is right on the heels of that with a July 16, 2010 release. The following year, in 2011, it's May 6th for Captain America and July 15th for The Avengers. So, the next three years of my life will be those four characters! Excellent characters and amazing worlds – I'm very, very excited. And as you know from having watched Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, anybody can pop up anywhere at anytime.

This guys needs to train WB's execs, maybe they'll get their act together as well. The X-Men line is interesting... I think the franchise could be rebooted if Wolverine doesn't meet Iron-Man/Spidey 2/X2. Would that be a bad thing? If Marvel takes X-Men back from Fox, we could have Hugh Jackman rubbing elbows with Downy's Stark, Pitt(?)'s Thor, and most ambitiously Norton's Hulk. After X3... it may be high time.

In any case, awesome time for comic fans abroad.

[Kalyx triaD]

Strange Quote Indeed...:

I remember two years ago at Comic-Con the cover of the L.A. Times Calendar Section read: "Marvel calls out the B team. And there was a picture of Iron Man. We don't look at them as 'B team.' Dr. Strange? This is one of the best characters we have. [He represents] this amazing cosmic universe to Marvel that we haven't played with in films yet and I think could be amazing to play with.

He said that Marvel's list of heroes headlining the post-Avengers years may well include the Sorcerer Supreme - we're talking 2012, 2013 though.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm Marking Out Right Now:

Robert Downey Jr. has officially signed on for Iron Man 2 and Avengers. Don Cheadle has also signed on for Iron Man 2... and Avengers! Jon Favreau, who directed Iron Man, is attached to Avengers as Exec Prod as well.

Ed Norton, despite rumors that he was jipped after Hulk, will return as Bruce Banner. Many credible names have alluded to Hulk appearing in Avengers, though Ed Norton hasn't been spoken about in regard to the project curiously.

They're beginning to Assemble indeed...

[Kalyx triaD]

Captain's Got Direction!:

Joe Johnston has signed on to direct First Avenger: Captain America. He's currently putting the finishing touches on the Wolfman remake.

"First Avenger" has the important task of leading into the Avengers movie. No pressure, Joe.

[ClockShot]

Johnston is your typical on again, off again type of director. Let's see what he brings to this one.

And where's my Dr. Strange remake?!

[Jeritron]

Not so sure how I feel about Joe "Jurassic Park 3" Johnston directing

[Lock Jaw]

But he also directed Jumanji!

[Kalyx triaD]

JP3 was okay...

[Jeritron]

lol

[Kalyx triaD]

Thor Animated:

Thor gets an animated series to follow his live action film. A full season is in the works, and that's along with other Marvels cartoons coming around like Iron Man, Avengers, Black Panther to join the recent Wolverine and the X-Men. Busy beavers they are.

[Jeritron]

The little girl from Adventures in Babysitting must be pumped about all this

[Jeritron]

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[Destor]

Great song selection :D

[Jeritron]

Princes of the Universe and Show Must Go On might be the best Queen songs, and that's saying something.
Obv Bohemian Rhapsody too

[Kalyx triaD]

Hulk vs Wolverine Clip/Trailer:

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Apparently this is actually kinda old, but it seems to confirm Steven Blum is at it again as Logan. That guy's overworked, but I dig the continuity. Could he be the Kevin Conroy of Wolverine? Anyway the movie looks decent, but I'd like to see how much they could stretch an encounter of two characters.

[Blitz]

First shot of Gambit from the Wolverine flick.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9489/gambitrh4.png

I'm.....unimpressed.

[Vastardikai]

Hulk vs Wolverine Clip/Trailer:

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Apparently this is actually kinda old, but it seems to confirm Steven Blum is at it again as Logan. That guy's overworked, but I dig the continuity. Could he be the Kevin Conroy of Wolverine? Anyway the movie looks decent, but I'd like to see how much they could stretch an encounter of two characters.


Well, the fight itself could last days... maybe weeks. Considering that Hulk's anger makes him stronger and he heals with his rage, and Wolverine has the healing factor.

[Kalyx triaD]

Which would give the guy boarding the fight a heart attack.

[Kalyx triaD]

First shot of Gambit from the Wolverine flick.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9489/gambitrh4.png

I'm.....unimpressed.

I don't mind the casting. What bothers me is in what time frame does Gambit appear? If he's apart of Wolverine's 'distant' past than we can rule out Gambit appearing in proper X-Men films - atleast before a reboot.

[XL]

What I don't get is that they said they wouldn't put Gambit in the X-Men films cos he was "too similar" to Wolverine then they put him in the stand alone Wolverine film!?

[Lock Jaw]

How is Gambit similar to Wolverine at all?

[Reavant]

they didnt give him black and red eyes

[Danny Electric]

How is Gambit similar to Wolverine at all?

Singer was quoted to have said that he wasn't a fan of the Gambit charcter and that he thought he was too similar to Wolverine to put in the films.
Hence when they made X Men 3 after Singer left, they wanted to put Gambit in the film. However they wanted Sawyer from Lost to play him, but he didn't want to do it.

So after that long winded explanation, Singer thought that they were both loners and hence too similar.

[Vastardikai]

yeah, one is older than dirt, overexposed to shit and back (to the point even the Marvel story-writers make fun of it), and is a violent feral madman who can't be killed under normal circumstances and is a loner.

The other is a smooth, almost arrogant, ladies man who attacks at range, has cool eyes, and is a rogue loner.

yeah, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too similar.

:shifty:

[XL]

Precisely. You can bank on the fact that 99.9% of fans don't consider them too similar and would have wanted to see Gambit in the films.

[The Destroyer]

Guess Marvel properties can't win them all these days - Punisher War Zone has been getting some absolutely awful reviews. Shame really, but I suppose it was inevitable when Thomas Jane jumped off. :-\

[Funky Fly]

Not a whole lot of advertising for it either.

[Blitz]

Guess Marvel properties can't win them all these days - Punisher War Zone has been getting some absolutely awful reviews. Shame really, but I suppose it was inevitable when Thomas Jane jumped off. :-\
Not like the Thomas Jane version got raves either.

[Vastardikai]

Any movie involving the name "Punisher" has pretty much been viewed as utter suck.

[Danny Electric]

Surely an Oscar nomiantion would have come about if they got Dolph Lundgren to reprise his role :)

[The Destroyer]

Not like the Thomas Jane version got raves either.
True, but I didn't think it was actually that bad.

Although the critics seem to think that both are equally terrible, so hey, maybe it's not actually that awful. I think I'll wait for a DVD rental first though.

[Jeritron]

The first punisher was a "crap movie", but it was actually enjoyable if you weren't expecting much.
No real interest in seeing the new one.
The movie looks pretty fuckin awful, and the new Punisher looks the part, but seems like a terrible actor. At least Thomas Jane is a competent actor.

I usually turn out to see the comic movies, even if I know they're going to suck. There's always some interest there for me since I grew up on the characters. With that being said, I had no real intention of going to see the new Punisher despite being fully aware of it coming out this weekend. I think that says something. If I don't give a fuck, who does? Probably nobody except for die hard comic book fans, if that.

It made 4 million dollars on it's opening weekend. 4. That's beyond a flop. Especially for a name brand character with a built in fan base. That's really sad. That's the end of Punisher as any kind of film entity.

[.44 Magdalene]

I was pleasantly surprised by the first Punisher, but Warzone looks like thirty flavors of ass.

[Heros Welcome]

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[Destor]

:n:

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Pretty major LOL at Keamy from Lost as The Blob at 38 seconds.

[Boondock Saint]

Looks badass.

[Jeritron]

Looks pretty lame. Have I given my theory on how I think The Dark Knight and Iron Man have killed the comic movie? They're so good, it's hard to stack up. The bar is raised. This can be a good thing, but it will be near impossible to measure up in the future.
This movie will be the first victim of that, since it was made in the same vain as earlier comic movies.

[Fox]

Hm. I dunno. Looks like there's a lot of good stuff in there, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

I'm not a huge fan of the way they are dressing and putting together Gambit, though.

[Lock Jaw]

What the hell is Gambit doing in an origin movie about Wolverine anyways?

[Fignuts]

Don't know what you guys are talkin about. Looks pretty spiffy to me.

Only thing is, I hope that quick shot of deadpool is before the weapon x procedure.

[Fignuts]

Hm. I dunno. Looks like there's a lot of good stuff in there, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

I'm not a huge fan of the way they are dressing and putting together Gambit, though.

Gambit's costume would look ridiculous on screen. But they should have given him the proer eyes tho. Maybe they do at some point in the film.

[Blitz]

Thought I might have got a glimpse of the scarred up Deadpool as well, but I'm not sure.

[The Destroyer]

Trailer looks pretty promising to me.

In other random news, Kenneth Branagh has been confirmed to direct Thor. Not entirely sure why they've chosen him, but time will tell I suppose.

[Fox]

Trailers mean nothing.

[Jeritron]

Trailer looks pretty promising to me.

In other random news, Kenneth Branagh has been confirmed to direct Thor. Not entirely sure why they've chosen him, but time will tell I suppose.


They chose him because he's perfect for the film. Thor is norse legend, and likely going to be set in the distant past.
Branagh is legitimate in the world of directing period peices and Shakesperian adaptations.
He knows drama. He should be great for this, if they can get the right script and actor.
I'd love to see Daniel Craig play Thor, and them go balls to the wall with the Norse time period/epic scale.
It needs to be action packed and under 2 1/2 hours to work though.

[Jeritron]

They're using Gambit because people want to see Gambit. They should have used him in the Xmen films, but those are dead for the same reason. They squandered away tons of characters and made it too populated.
They're just trying to get all of the marketable names into these movies as fast as they can. Xmen3 was a fuckin waste. I wouldn't call it the worst sequel ever, or the worst comic film ever. Not at all. But it was pretty fuckin bad and I don't know if I've ever seen an installment KILL a franchise so directly.

Batman and Robin killed Batman because of how bad it was.
Xmen 3 just flat out killed Xmen because of the plot and execution. It turned out tolerable, but they blew their load and stripmined the franchise.

[Funky Fly]

If they're going to do X4, they should acknowledge the first 3, but largely ignore them. Killing off Sabretooth first thing and ignoring his backstory with Wolverine was retarded. Thankfully, Sabretooth is near indestructible, so they can do the whole "no body, not dead" and bring him back like they would have if it were a comic book. Wolverine not recognizing him could be chalked up to the amnesia, but Sabretooth not recognizing Wolverine... damn.

Thankfully, X-3 left the door open with that little bit about Magneto's power not being entirely gone. That means anyone who was cured can be uncured, including Mags himself.

Kinda hope they follow X2's example and reference the shit out of people, rather than having 54643578359 people in it and they end up being one offs with no development who get killed (Psylocke, etc.). Also kinda hope they get an actual fan of the comics to direct (Favreau & Iron Man, Norton & Incredible Hulk) and not just a big name in Hollywood (Ang Lee & Hulk, Ratner & X3). They will respect the source material and not bollocks things up with retarded storylines or unnecessary changes to the characters.

[Jeritron]

They never killed off Sabretooth in the Xmen movies, but yea they shit all over things in X3

[Funky Fly]

They never killed off Sabretooth in the Xmen movies, but yea they shit all over things in X3

Thought he got knocked off the Statue of Liberty in the first one. That's a long way down, mang.

[mitchables]

Thought he got knocked off the Statue of Liberty in the first one. That's a long way down, mang.

Into the ocean. Not such a bad fall for Creed. When you consider that Wolverine survived having most of his skin (but inexplicably, not his pants) destroyed by Phoenix, it is not so implausible Sabretooth survived.

[Destor]

I thought they had never met in the origional.

[Destor]

?

[mitchables]

I thought they had never met in the origional.

That's what Funky is talking about; it's a bit of a plothole that Sabretooth would not recognise Logan (but not the other way around because of Wolverine's convenient amnesia angle) if he was gonna be in the "origin" story.

That said, Singer wouldn't have been anticipating prequels when they made the first X-Men movie.

[Jeritron]

Thought he got knocked off the Statue of Liberty in the first one. That's a long way down, mang.


No he didn't die. They just never brought him back in the sequels for whatever reason.
He got knocked onto a fishing boat and crushed it. They showed that, and he laid there knocked out.
At the end, after the plan was foiled, however, they showed the cops approach the boat. It was still there, and it was crushed, but where Sabretooth should be laying there was nothing. He got away.

Toad died.

[Funky Fly]

Into the ocean. Not such a bad fall for Creed. When you consider that Wolverine survived having most of his skin (but inexplicably, not his pants) destroyed by Phoenix, it is not so implausible Sabretooth survived.
Falling from a great height into water is actually worse than landing an the ground. The surface tension of the water actually makes it harder than earth. However...
No he didn't die. They just never brought him back in the sequels for whatever reason.
He got knocked onto a fishing boat and crushed it. They showed that, and he laid there knocked out.
At the end, after the plan was foiled, however, they showed the cops approach the boat. It was still there, and it was crushed, but where Sabretooth should be laying there was nothing. He got away.

Toad died.

Ah, I should go watch it again. Didn't remember that bit. Yeah, they killed Toad, but he's never been a major player at all.

[mitchables]

Okay we're talking about movies where people can control metal with their minds, shapeshift, split into multiple copies, and block telepathy with giant styrofoam helmets.

Let's not get bogged down in "water is harder than the ground on impact" physics.

Dammit, Funk. I'm a fanboy, not a scientist.

[Jeritron]

Sabretooth has power analagous to Wolverine anyways, right? He'd survive that fall easily, even if it wasn't shown.

[Funky Fly]

lol true, Mitch.

Well, since the movie is supposed to be somewhere around the introduction of the New X-Men (give or take a few years), it's safe to assume that he didn't have his adamantium claws or super enhanced healing factor from Weapon X, so he could but he'd be pretty fucked up.

I just don't like how useless he was in that film. Sabretooth is a master tactician/manipulator. He wins fight he has no business winning because he can get in your head so well.

[mitchables]

Yeah, that was really the point I was trying to make with the whole "Wolverine's pants survived the Phoenix explosion" thing. ie if Logan (and his pants) can survive that, then Creed can deal with a fall from the Statue of Liberty - onto a boat, into the ocean, whatever.

[mitchables]

Goddammit Funky. You know how I am about using the quote function.

[YOUR Hero]

I'm going to cut you in half, see if that works...

[mitchables]

*cut your head off

[YOUR Hero]

in half

[Fignuts]

I'm going to cut you in half, see if that works...

This is the worst case of someone being cut in half, that I've ever seen.

[Fignuts]

Thought I might have got a glimpse of the scarred up Deadpool as well, but I'm not sure.

Watchin it again, yeah pretty sure thats him.

Honestly anticipating deadpool more than anything else in this film.

[Jeritron]

Watchin it again, yeah pretty sure thats him.

Honestly anticipating deadpool more than anything else in this film.

I would be too if it wasn't Van Wilder

[Funky Fly]

I wonder if he'll have that "gravely Demi quality" to his voice that they always joke about in his books.

[Jeritron]

lol at the blob

[Jeritron]

I'm gonna be straight up honest with you folks, and it's my opinion only, but this movie looks shit. I love Wolverine and I love Xmen but this looks bad.

[Blitz]

I would be too if it wasn't Van Wilder
For a antihero that's a huge smartass, you could do a lot worse than Ryan Reynolds.

[Fignuts]

I would be too if it wasn't Van Wilder

What? Thats like the perfect casting.

[Fignuts]

Curse you, Blitz!

[Jeritron]

Ryan Reynolds is never the perfect casting in a semi-serious film.

I dunno, whole movie looks atrocious to me. Seems about on pace with Nicholas Cage action flicks and/or the Resident Evil movies, and other action films like that.

[mitchables]

Is that Emma Frost in there too? If so, good shit.

Where did you think you saw scarred up 'Pool? I only saw him when he turns around with his swords when they're discussing the team.

Blob looks ridiculous.

Other than that, I can't say I am not interested in this film. It feels like it might be able to come close to the feeling of X2.

[Fignuts]

Is that Emma Frost in there too? If so, good shit.

Where did you think you saw scarred up 'Pool? I only saw him when he turns around with his swords when they're discussing the team.

Blob looks ridiculous.

Other than that, I can't say I am not interested in this film. It feels like it might be able to come close to the feeling of X2.

Towards the end of the trailer, for a split second there is a guy spinning through the air with katanas, towards wolverine. He also looks a little....lumpy.

[mitchables]

I'll rewatch it and keep an eye out.

And I am positive he says "I'm gonna cut your head off", not "I'm gonna cut you in half". I am only positive of this because in the original trailer release the line was "I'm gonna cut your goddamn head off". It was clearer, and he definitely didn't say "your goddamn half". :-\

Not that it really matters, honestly.

k one sec gonna rewatch.

[mitchables]

Ahhhh yeah, I see him. Just before the Emma Frost turning-to-diamonds bit.

Yeah, definitely looks like he's got some kind of Deadpool-esque facemask on, and he looked "lumpy", as you said. Hope that's him.

Who's the frozen kid with the yellow eye?

[The Destroyer]

Other than that, I can't say I am not interested in this film. It feels like it might be able to come close to the feeling of X2.
That was a confusing double negative, shame on you Mitch.

And assuming it IS Deadpool doing that spinning bit, he does look bald and a bit lumpy in the face.

[The Destroyer]

Who's the frozen kid with the yellow eye?

Stryker's kid from X2, apparently.

[mitchables]

That was a confusing double negative, shame on you Mitch.

And assuming it IS Deadpool doing that spinning bit, he does look bald and a bit lumpy in the face.

Looked to me like he had a facemask on. Maybe I am wrong. But most people seem to be of the opinion that is Deadpool. Checked up a few of those "we break the Wolverine Origin trailer down shot by shot!" type posts that seem to be all the rage lately with new trailers.

Did Jason have different colored eyes in X2?

[Fignuts]

Not that I remember. But if stryker is in it, it's likely his son is too.

Also, I feel the opposite of Jeritron. This looks really good to me, and it looks like they are showing a lot of respect to the source material, despite Gambit being a part of Wolverine's past. But that has a lot t do with fan demand for the character, so it's easiy forgivable.

[YOUR Hero]

Anyway, I listened a few more times to Wolvie and it does sound more like cut your head off.

So

Anyway, although X3 was packed with tons of characters and didn't give great back-stories, I still enjoyed it. X2 was a the gem of the series to date imo. Not too sure why people would suddenly become to downcast on the X-Men stuff, it's good eye candy. I think it's a case of too many people nerding it up. After all a book isn't a comic and a comic isn't a movie and a movie isn't a play.... There are different mediums and people that tend to know the back-stories already because they're fans of the stuff via one medium don't really need to be explained the backgrounds. Casual movie go-ers aren't interested in long character developments, they want to get on with a blowing up of stuff and the be-headings, etc.

So yeah, in conclusion, mitch owes me an apology.

[mitchables]

Not that I remember. But if stryker is in it, it's likely his son is too.

Also, I feel the opposite of Jeritron. This looks really good to me, and it looks like they are showing a lot of respect to the source material, despite Gambit being a part of Wolverine's past. But that has a lot t do with fan demand for the character, so it's easiy forgivable.

It actually looks like they've pulled a great deal from the excellent "Wolverine: Origins" series, which I am very surprised, yet happy, about.

Aside from Gambit and Emma Frost being in an Wolvie origin movie, I am also looking forward to this. I feel like it could redeem the franchise.

[XL]

Did Jason have different colored eyes in X2?
Yeah he did. One blue, one green I think.

[Funky Fly]

Anyway, I listened a few more times to Wolvie and it does sound more like cut your head off.

So

Anyway, although X3 was packed with tons of characters and didn't give great back-stories, I still enjoyed it. X2 was a the gem of the series to date imo. Not too sure why people would suddenly become to downcast on the X-Men stuff, it's good eye candy. I think it's a case of too many people nerding it up. After all a book isn't a comic and a comic isn't a movie and a movie isn't a play.... There are different mediums and people that tend to know the back-stories already because they're fans of the stuff via one medium don't really need to be explained the backgrounds. Casual movie go-ers aren't interested in long character developments, they want to get on with a blowing up of stuff and the be-headings, etc.

So yeah, in conclusion, mitch owes me an apology.

Granted it's different media, but the only things that really needed changing were the costumes. The eras of the source material that they drew on for the movie plots are some of the best periods in the X-Men comics.

Also, it is "cut your head off". It's widely acknowledged that the only real way to kill Wolverine or Sabretooth is decapitation. In fact, that is how Sabretooth dies in the comics anyway.

[Boondock Saint]

WITH A SWORD FORGED FROM WOLVERINES SOUL

[XL]

Yeah, it is "head off". It just sounds odd as they've removed the 'Goddamn' from the sentence and that throws off the flow and intonation of the line.

[mitchables]

You know, you would think that I would get sick of being right all the time.

But I don't.

[YOUR Hero]

apology accepted

[Fignuts]

Also, it is "cut your head off". It's widely acknowledged that the only real way to kill Wolverine or Sabretooth is decapitation. In fact, that is how Sabretooth dies in the comics anyway.

Yeah, deapitation won't work either. Only reason it worked on sabrtooth was cause it was some magical sword dealy.

[Jeritron]

Let's focus on how the movie looks and not the minute details of the comics :p

[YOUR Hero]

So if I go back in time and think about the 1st movie, it never states that Sabertooth and Wolverine didn't know each other, it was just not mentioned. Or can someone remember something that would change that belief of mine.

[Jeritron]

Seemed like they may have known eachother. Doesn't matter anyways cuz Wolvy gets his mind wiped right? Sabretooth prob does too before he's set into the wild to be recruited by Magneto

[.44 Magdalene]

Yeah, Sabertooth always came off like an amnesiac hobo in the first movie.

[Jeritron]

Kevin Nash was originally cast to play him, but he couldn't because WCW wouldn't let him take time off, and they were owned by WB to boot.

I'm sure some of you may have known that, and some may not have.

[Fignuts]

So if I go back in time and think about the 1st movie, it never states that Sabertooth and Wolverine didn't know each other, it was just not mentioned. Or can someone remember something that would change that belief of mine.

There were subtle implcations that they knew eachother. And they never said they din't know eachother either. Honestly, it was a good move on their part. Probably didn't directly acknowledge it, as it would have taken time they didn't have to go into, but at the same time left it open, so they could revisit it later if given the oppurtunity.

[Jeritron]

They're both homeless amnesiacs living in Canada as far as I'm concerned. Whether they've crossed paths or not is of no matter. The first time they meet is when Sabretooth lays a tree across Wolvy's face and they don't speak a word because they're busy fighting.

[BigDaddyCool]

I also heard Danzig was suppose to be Wolverine, along with Nash being Sabertooth. If that had happened, I would have died of complete joy over loud/orgasming to much.

[YOUR Hero]

Seemed like they may have known eachother. Doesn't matter anyways cuz Wolvy gets his mind wiped right? Sabretooth prob does too before he's set into the wild to be recruited by Magneto
Yeah good point.

[YOUR Hero]

Um... when is this version of an Xmen movie to be released?

[Kalyx triaD]

One of my ex girlfriend's birthday.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hulk Vs. Clips:

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[Kalyx triaD]

I'm Furious:

Sam Jackson may not return as Nick Fury for Iron Man 2 and Avengers. Negotiations have broke down between his people and Marvel.

I suggest Marvel comes to their fucking senses.

[Fignuts]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY

[Kalyx triaD]

Black Widow Close To Casting:

Emily Blunt (The Devil Wears Prada) is a frontrunner for the role of the Black Widow in Iron Man 2. Don't think she fits the ambitious qualifications laid out by the casting office, but she looks the part.

[Fignuts]

Eh, there isn't much great acting required for black widow. Just have to look good in leather, and occasionaly say "in soviet russia, road forks you!".

[Kalyx triaD]

Depends on how she's written. David Hayter loves her and did drafts on a whole Black Widow movie. There's clearly something about her.

[YOUR Hero]

No.

It's "In Mother Russia...."

[Kalyx triaD]

Wolverine Promo Pic:

Deadpool, Gambit, Logan, Sabertooth, Silver Fox. (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h230/Kalyx_triaD/hj-wolverine-big.jpg)

[Kalyx triaD]

Marvel's Penny Pinching?:

So how much was Mickey Rourke, hot off the heels of critically acclaimed The Wrestler, offered for his role in Iron Man 2? 250k. That's $250,000. Don't get me wrong, it's an amount of money we'd kick a puppy for, but for Mickey Rourke? And from a studio that absolutely banked just last Summer? No news on how Mickey reacted, but a similar situation may have been the catalyst for Sam Jackson's about face as Nick Fury.

Marvel, again, stop fucking around!

[.44 Magdalene]

Where in the fuck are you even getting some of this news? Half this shit sounds like somebody made it up.

[G]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Marvel%27s+Penny+Pinching&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[.44 Magdalene]

So... Superherohype? Variety magazine, I guess?

Because one is Variety magazine and the other gets its news from Variety magazine. Come on now. I'm still not buying this shit.

[.44 Magdalene]

I mean, all I'm saying is these same guys claimed Will Smith was in the running for Captain America.

[Kalyx triaD]

Where in the fuck are you even getting some of this news? Half this shit sounds like somebody made it up.

Various sources. IGN, Superhero Hype, Latino Review, and lesser spots that sometimes get some juicy shit. I actually find more news than I post but I doubt anybody's interested in the inane shit these sites post at times.

[Jeritron]

Pretty pumped about Iron Man 2. Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell joining the cast is awesome.
Emily Blunt is nice too.
The stuff Favreau said about making Mandarin a background villian like Sauron in Lord of the Rings, or Palpatine in the first couple Star Wars movies sounded brilliant.

[Jeritron]

I was reading about that "lowballing" thing though. It's literally a cause of the economy. A lot of actors are getting over far below their quotes, and accepting it. Big name actors too. Things are getting cheap in hollywood even at the moment.
So it's not absurd for those offers to be made, and even taken.

I also read that Sam Jackson said he wouldn't be in future Marvel movies if Marvel continues to be cheap. That doesn't include Iron Man 2, since the deal for that is done. He means Avengers and the other sequels.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/949/949632/Wolverine_VerA_Poster_1233344802.jpg

[G]

What movie is that?

[Kalyx triaD]

"The Clawed Man" directed by Mr. Makemovies.

[Kalyx triaD]

Black Panther Update:

We were shown a clip from the premiere episode, which Hudlin stressed was a "Very, very rough piece." The animation reinforced how the series is directly based on John Romita, Jr.'s artwork for Hudlin's first few issues of the Black Panther comic, in a scene in which an earlier incarnation of the Black Panther faces down a group attempting to raid his people – quickly proving he has superior technology, which causes their weapons to backfire. While there wasn't a lot of movement in the animation, it was notably detailed and fans of Romita Jr. will definitely enjoy seeing his distinctive style. And Cowan reiterated, "That was rough animation – we're just getting started." Hudlin said that when it came to the style, he agreed with fans who always ask, when watching an animated version of a comic, "Why can't it look like the comic?" He noted that here, "We took the art, the panels that John Romita did and we're bringing them to life."


Regarding what notable Marvel guest stars and villains to look for in the series, Hudlin said that most of those seen in the "Who is the Black Panther" story will appear, including Captain America. He noted, "This is triangle shield cap. World War II Cap will be having a showdown with T'Challa's ancestor." Following up on the bit of dialogue we heard Hounsou record, he also noted, "Juggernaut will be a major villain in the piece" and that Radioactive Man and Batroc the Leaper will also be seen.

Still not too keen on it being on BET. The forst season will run for eight episodes covering the "Who is Black Panther" story arc.

[Kalyx triaD]

For Your 3yo Comic Fan:

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/950/950618/marvel-super-hero-squad-20090203023207754-000.jpg

A new cartoon that will appeal to youngsters even more bright-eyed than the ones watching Batman Brave and the Bold. Seeing as how this is their direct intention, there;s little to be insulted about. Yeah, this is based on those tot-toys.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/953/953944/x-men-origins-wolverine-20090212020925195.jpg

[Krimzon7]

They almost look related, I like that.

[Kalyx triaD]

Thor Riff-Raff:

[Branagh] has immersed himself in [the comics]... He was talking about characters and villains that even I was going, like, who was that?, y'know. But if you're a Thor-head, you're going to go, oh right... So it was wonderful to hear this stuff. He wasn't just concerned about Thor, but he also understood going in, from the beginning - because we established very early on... Well, at the end of the Iron Man movie, but very early on [in the process], that there's going to be other movies that become part of this tapestry. This is essentially our Star Wars, our universe is our Star Wars, and he understands that his Thor movie is one of the legs of this table that will interplay with an Iron Man movie down the road, or the Avengers movie down the road.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Funky Fly]

They're pushing Wolverine and Sabretooth as brothers? Or was that Dog?

[Kalyx triaD]

They're pushing Wolverine and Sabretooth as brothers? Or was that Dog?

I'm betting they are combining Dog and Sabertooth, which is more than acceptable (it's how I interpreted the character). I'm also stoked to see some bone claw action.

[Sting Fan]

Wow I was kind of looking forward to this but now im really quite hyped for it.

Its a good trailer, way ahead of the Transformers one I think.

[Funky Fly]

I'm betting they are combining Dog and Sabertooth, which is more than acceptable (it's how I interpreted the character). I'm also stoked to see some bone claw action.

Yeah, ever since Origin, I'd always thought of them as being kinda related through old man Logan. But Marvel saw fit to shit all over that possibility with he Homo Catman feud through the ages thing.

[Fignuts]

Has Dog ever come up in any comics since the original Origin mini? And what was sabretooth's history revealed to be. Thought I read they where going to gointo that, in the issue of their final battle.

[Kalyx triaD]

Has Dog ever come up in any comics since the original Origin mini? And what was sabretooth's history revealed to be. Thought I read they where going to gointo that, in the issue of their final battle.

First let me say the whole final battle thing is gay. I still don't see why they would kill off a character like Sabertooth in some non-event lack luster run. Although it's only right that Wolverine kills him, it's something I wouldn't expect for a long time if ever. And the whole bloodline rivalry bullshit is fucking stupid, 'blonds vs dark hairs'.

Origin did everything it can to spell out a proposed origin for Sabertooth and Wolverine's hatred without calling Dog, Sabertooth. I guess the movie guys are the only ones who got that.

'Tooth got a origin one-shot recently and yeah, another wasted opportunity. Your typical villain origin with all the elements to make him a sympathetic character, blah blah. You see with Dog, you see he was kind of a jerk for the longest, and it would show how far back Logan and Victor actually went. It made for a much better explanation of their feud than saying 'they're destined to hate each other'. That's too easy, that's weak sauce. I'm betting Origin wasn't allowed to use Victor Creed for whatever reason and left an 'open invitation' for future writers as a consolation.

Comics: "Hey, let's make them a part of an epic bloodline struggle with wolf-people, that's cool."
Movies: "Oh yeah, he's definitely Dog, we're going with that."

[Kalyx triaD]

All three TV spots. (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808665084/video/12086696)

The last one, "Legends", is X-Men porn. This movie looks like great fun.

[Kalyx triaD]

Thor will film from July through September.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sam Jackson Is Still Furious:

Samuel L. Jackson just signed a nine (yes nine) picture deal to portray Nick Fury in the newly connected Marvel Movie-verse.

I'm thinking this is the first of many such deals as the superhero-movie arms race continues on.

[Kalyx triaD]

Iron Man 2 begins filming in Los Angeles next month.

[Kalyx triaD]

The final trailer for the Wolverine movie will drop this Thursday, MTV has a few clips - not really worth linking here, trust me.

BTW, Gambit will have his eyes, albeit confined to his retina. The color scheme is there, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hugh Jackman on Wolverine Character Growth (Not Digging It?):

"I'm not mad about it, but I thought he had gotten a bit soft," Jackman says. "I thought we had gotten away from the essence of who Wolverine really is: a bad (dude) who wants to live his own life."

"The character has always reminded me of Dirty Harry or Han Solo," Jackman says. "He's a good guy, not a nice guy. He's got a lot of flaws, which I think is what people find so attractive about him and the X-Men. He's struggling with who he is and what he wants. He was one of the comics' first anti-heroes."

[Kalyx triaD]

Well Played Fox:

With the Wolverine movie having kick-ass cameos of mutants never seen in live-action (Gambit, Deadpool), you wonder what that means in terms of the proper X-Film universe. I mean, this is an origin movie that takes place at the very least 10-15 years before Logan meets a certain vehicular stowaway in Canada. So what, Gambit and Deadpool must appear older if they are to appear in any future X-Films?

Mild Spoiler:
Nah, they'll appear just as they do in Wolverine's origin. A minor plot device is in place that will see that Gambit doesn't have to age a day. Deadpool, having similar regenerative abilities didn't need this fictional loophole, but Gambit is better served for it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Wolverine Final Trailer:

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Looks like a fun movie, but some of the claw effects look poorly rendered.

[Jeritron]

I feel that the "claw effects" are the least of the worries for this movie

[Funky Fly]

What worries you, man?

[Jeritron]

Not worries per se, but on a level of "will this movie be good", I would say there are countless things that point to no. It just looks like shit to me.
I'm more of a mark for good movies than I am for the novelty of a superhero movie though.

[LoDownM]

"Ohh, shiny"

[Kalyx triaD]

Not worries per se, but on a level of "will this movie be good", I would say there are countless things that point to no. It just looks like shit to me.
I'm more of a mark for good movies than I am for the novelty of a superhero movie though.

Oh I see.

[Jeritron]

I dunno man, I'm not trying to burst any bubbles just voicing my take on it. I can't criticize the actually movie though, because I've yet to see it. I'll end up seeing it, and I really do hope that it's good, but I won't be shocked if it isn't.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not bursting my bubbles, it's all good.

[Jeritron]

Seeing that Cyclops was in this in the trailer last night was a swerve. What the reason behind that?

[Kalyx triaD]

Not Cyke, Scott Summers. Probably hunted down by Stryker for his Weapon project. By the looks of Weapon XI, he must have got a hold of him.

[Jeritron]

Well yea, same person. But are they having him and Wolverine cross paths?

[Kalyx triaD]

They better not.

[Jeritron]

That's what I'm getting at. That would be bad. Who knows though

[Funky Fly]

It's probably gonna be a case of Wolverine inadvertently saved his ass while escaping from the project and murdering everything in sight and Summers, being locked in a cage, is totally unaware of how the cage door opens but doesn't waste a chance to escape. Of course, Wolverine then goes on to have his mind wiped 6796875324554 times and Cyclops never knew Logan accidentally rescued him.

[Fignuts]

Cyclops being in weapon x is going to make every fanboy in the world, cry like little bitches.

I think it's kinda neat. Also, from a superhero movie standpoint, this looks good so far. Not eveything can be The Dark Knight, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable.

[Kalyx triaD]

Fuck fanboys.

[Funky Fly]

Then again, the appearance of Cyclops might also be the introduction of Sinister to the series. Setting up for the next X-Men movie, perhaps? I mean, we have already seen a few Marauders in the movies thus far.

[Kalyx triaD]

I've thought of that, but I doubt Fox is working that angle into their series. Since they are not in line with the other Marvel plans (for whatever reason).

[Funky Fly]

How many more movies does Fox have left in the series?

[Kalyx triaD]

Done wisely, they could eek out another trilogy based on the New X-Men, or even continue the story of the graduating X-Men from the first trilogy. They could also go on with the Wolverine movies and eventually Deadpool's film. Couple that with Magneto's work in progress and it seems Fox ain't letting go of their mutants.

Funny thing is, I want Fox to lose/let go of the X-Men universe. It's counter-productive for Fox to grip it in while Marvel Studios are on to something epic in the next few years. I feel very similar with Sony and Spider-Man - who are going on with another two movies themselves.

The situation could solve itself if some wheelin and dealin were to go down. As it stands, Fox CEO #3 doesn't care if I wanna see Hugh Jackman tangle with Hulk. Mutants aren't even mentioned as a group of people in any other Marvel movie but the Fox ones. Would it be so discouraging to Fox for there to be mention of mutants they're not even using? Being a mutant doesn't make you an X-Character by default (or does it?).

And Fox has little vision beyond $$$. They have Fantastic Four and X-Men, I would be the one in those studios meetings trying to get Chris Evans to appear in X-Men for some cool cameo. But with that logic, don't get me started on WB, who owns (as far as I know) all of the DC hero books - for years - and they've done shit with that huge advantage.

Anyway yeah, Fox has some movies left.

[Funky Fly]

Being a mutant does not make you an X-character. There are plenty of mutants with little or no affiliation to the X-books. I kinda wonder about the whole House of M crossover as it got rid of shitloads of characters and basically killed off a lot of potential for new ones.

[Kalyx triaD]

Although you can see where they're going with the X-Books as far as mutants are concerned. I do applaud it going as long as it is.

[Funky Fly]

I haven't read anything beyond Dec 2007. So I am not in the loop, rn. Last shit I read was Wolverine decapitating Sabretooth.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's a mess, don't worry about it.

[Danny Electric]

Seriously looking foward to the Wolverine film but then I was really looking foward to X-Men 3, so we'll see.

Anyone else been watching the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon?

[Boondock Saint]

Anyone else been watching the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon?

Yes. I enjoy it quite a bit.

[Kalyx triaD]

Iron Man 2's sets are getting put together as filming creeps up around Spring. Mickey Rourke is back in the movie playing a villain.

[The Destroyer]

Bit of slippage Marvel wise, old dates and new dates below:

Thor
July 16, 2010 > June 17, 2011

The First Avenger: Captain America

May 6, 2011 > July 22, 2011

Avengers

July 15, 2011 > May 4, 2012

edit - the Captain America slip is probably to avoid a clash with Spider-Man 4, which is aiming for a May 6th release in '11.

Iron Man 2 is still on schedule for May 2010. Rourke casting is confirmed, will seemingly be playing Whiplash with elements of the Crimson Dynamo mixed in, which was rumoured already I think.

[Jeritron]

Scarlett Johannson is confirmed too.

[The Destroyer]

Could be quite a cluttered film - more Rhodes, more Fury, plus Whiplash/Dynamo, Justin Hammer and Black Widow. Let's hope they're not doing a Spider-Man 3 and packing in too much.

[Kalyx triaD]

I trust them.

[Funky Fly]

Yeah, Marvel are doing this themselves. I'm sure they won't let it be a total clusterfuck.

[Kalyx triaD]

And given what they're building toward in the grand sense, they can afford a misstep anyway. But so far, everything's been okay.

[ClockShot]

Wow. Mrs. Ryan Reynolds is the Black Widow. Hopefully she shows up with an accent. But I would have went the other way and got Olga Kurylenko.

[Funky Fly]

I dunno, I can't really picture Kurylenko as a redhead, but I can picture Johannson as one.

[Kalyx triaD]

I can picture Johannson as anything.

[The Destroyer]

I dunno, I can't really picture Kurylenko as a redhead, but I can picture Johannson as one.
They'll just keep her blonde and make her Yelena Belova instead. :shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

March 26, 2009 - Marvel Studios is looking for a few good screenwriters.

Deadline Hollywood Daily reports that Marvel has established a writers program to build an in-house stable of screenwriters to work on their comic book movies. "The goal is to put more than half a dozen film writers on staff, give them an office, and 'work them like horses!'," according to DHD's source.

Marvel's comic book writers are not excluded from the program.

The site's source adds: "'Before the writers are even allowed to come in and meet, they must sign a non-disclosure agreement and a 70-page, non-negotiable contract. Among other things, the contract gives Marvel ownership over everything the writers create during the one year term of [the] deal, plus a first look and last refusal to any and all projects the writers have previously written or will write for 24 months in the future.'"

So is this a good move for Marvel? Or a bad move for writers?
_______________________________________________________________________

Well... if you say so, Marvel.

[LuigiD]

http://www.earthsmightiest.com/images/uploads/scarlett-johansson-black-wi.jpg

she is getting ready for us..

[Kalyx triaD]

Very fucking nice.

[Kalyx triaD]

Mind you, I don't agree with this particular casting (Scarlett's just not super-spy material), but I can give a shit when it means a hot bitch like her getting screen time.

[LuigiD]

Mind you, I don't agree with this particular casting (Scarlett's just not super-spy material), but I can give a shit when it means a hot bitch like her getting screen time.

I agree. I still can't really picture her as the black widow but whatever..like you said, a hot bitch on the screen is never a bad thing.

[Kalyx triaD]

Iron Man 2 starts filming Monday.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/971/971132/x-men-origins-wolverine-20090408021456920.jpg

Dammit, Hugh, stop looking badass. Such a cock blocker.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/969/969438/x-men-origins-wolverine-20090403065618382.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Black is In:

Apparently a draft for Venom was turned in a while ago and Sony liked it enough to ask for some revisions, including some parameters the studio wanted in the story. The whole thing about plot-related stipulations for a Venom movie is that Venom himself is a plot stipulation from Sony, so I'm guessing Sony's gaga for Venom for some reason.

Stan Lee is the only confirmed cast member. Yeah you probably wanna hit me for 'reporting' that.

[Rammsteinmad]

Stan Lee's playing Venom? :wtf:

[Kalyx triaD]

No.

[Skippord]

that would be awesome

[Destor]

Black is In:

Apparently a draft for Venom was turned in a while ago and Sony liked it enough to ask for some revisions, including some parameters the studio wanted in the story. The whole thing about plot-related stipulations for a Venom movie is that Venom himself is a plot stipulation from Sony, so I'm guessing Sony's gaga for Venom for some reason.

Stan Lee is the only confirmed cast member. Yeah you probably wanna hit me for 'reporting' that.
I dont follow

[Kalyx triaD]

Sony wanted Venom in Spider-Man 3. Now with his own movie they hacking drafts and telling the writers what they wanna see. Sony has some hands on fetish for the Venom character. Perhaps more so since... DARK CHARACTERS ARE IN (thanks TDK).

I'm not a fan of a studio running that much shit. Almost never works out.

[Fignuts]

Seriously. Wonder how much better Spidey 3 would have been, if sony hadn't forced venom into the picture.

[Fignuts]

Also, anyone else reading and enjoying x-force? The new one, not the old cable x-force.

[Kalyx triaD]

I keep up with it. I like the idea of an assassin X-group. Hugh should push for that as a third Wolverine movie. Somebody bring it to his attention!

[Boondock Saint]

X-Force has been great.

[Kalyx triaD]

X-23 rules.

[.44 Magdalene]

X-23 rules if you like Mary Sue knockoff characters.

[Kalyx triaD]

I do.

And her miniseries that introduced her to the 616 canon was a critical success, BTW. So take that dogma shit somewhere else.

[Kalyx triaD]

Go watch Moon or some shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

Maybe discuss the dichotomy between Kain and Abel in some book report for your suger daddy.

[.44 Magdalene]

Sure, the comic selling well means she's not a shitty concept for a character

[.44 Magdalene]

"Nerds love tits and Wolverine so let's put some tits on Wolverine. EXCELSIOR"

[Kalyx triaD]

You're dodging the point:

I don't give a shit if she's Wolverina, I like her. I don't hate on Supergirl, Batgirl, Spider-Girl, or any other obvious girl-up of established characters. Many of them offer a nice spin. X-23 for instance is like seeing Logan's post Weapon X life as it happens in the midst of current 616 events instead of flash backs.

Creative shortcut? Yeah, but sales and critical response says a lot of other people don't give a shit either.

[Kalyx triaD]

>>> Get over it.

[.44 Magdalene]

Man, I'm just going to make you a huge list of things that sucked but got good critical responses so you'll stop using that argument.

Also, I do hate on most Supergirls, certain Batgirls, and Spider-girl, though mostly because they suck on their own without being Superhero A, Plus Boobs. I'd maybe appreciate X-23 if she were an interesting spin, but she's a clone of Wolverine. Literally. From Weapon X. Yeah, totally interesting and shit! And then she has to deal with teenager stuff 'cuz she's a teenager! But Wolverine! With a vagina! A teenage vagina! Interesting, yeah!

Yes, creative short cut. Sales have proven that you can slap Wolverine on pretty much anything and the comic will sell, which is why Wolverine's on thirty different teams and four different covers every month. Making a character that's angsty female Wolverine is pretty much the lowest common denominator for a desperate sales pitch but hey, the majority of greasy neckbeards that get off to their favorite characters abruptly being female... well, you guys eat that shit right up.

[.44 Magdalene]

Also, you've already proven before that you're a sucker for turning random characters into females, because you're one of those nerds. It's hardly a testament to the character's quality, nor is sales.

[Kalyx triaD]

My reply to that:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/soapbox/images/0807/x23.jpg

And LOL at you ranting on Wolverine's popularity like that's some grip I'm dishing. I rather have one book for certain heroes and I'm against 45 Spidey books a month, but thanks for asking.

And your argument on boob'd superheroes would be sound if not for your refusal to acknowledge that some of those characters are fucking good, and for a time beat out their male predecessors depending on brand and era. Factor in most comic characters male or female are stupid save for their writers and we have you being one of those pretentious counter-nerds who wants X-Men to read like Lord of the Rings.

[.44 Magdalene]

My reply to that:
And LOL at you ranting on Wolverine's popularity like that's some grip I'm dishing. I rather have a one book for certain heroes and I'm against 45 Spidey books a month, but thanks for asking.

Dear God, it's some kind of... straw man militia

And you argument on boob'd superheroes would be sound if not for your refusal to acknowledge that some of those characters are fucking good, and for a time beat out their male predecessors depending on brand and era.

Also, I do hate on most Supergirls, certain Batgirls, and Spider-girl, though mostly because they suck on their own without being Superhero A, Plus Boobs.

My God, it's almost like... I totally fucking acknowledged that not every female character sucks and specifically avoided generalizing as much as I could without making you a chart. You are so god damn illiterate god damn. Why do I keep assuming that the ability to type makes you a competent human being and not some primitive fucking animal that can only string together so many subjects at a time?

Factor in most comic characters male or female are stupid save for their writers and we have you being one of those pretentious counter-nerds who wants X-Men to read like Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, God forbid I expect new characters to be halfway mildly fresh instead of direct, fully intentional rip offs of whatever is selling well this month. IT'S GOTTA BE LORD OF THE RINGS AND SHIT, THOUGH. I'm just asking too fucking much for a character not to be Wolverine. So pretensious. How dare I be so goddamn pretensious as to expect new ideas coming to be at least TRYING to be new.

So what is this like, four posts later? And you're still nowhere near convincing me that you don't have shitty tastes in characters, any grasp of what good or bad concepts happen to be, or that you'd know what to do with a decent point if it was mailed to you. God fucking damn, man. Read a real fucking book or something.

[.44 Magdalene]

OR JUST POST ANOTHER PICTURE and pretend I said something nearly opposite of what I actually posted. That's served you well so far, right?

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah.

http://www.historyguy.com/comicshistory/she-hulk-squat.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

>>> GET OVER IT.

[.44 Magdalene]

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk115/Tiracanos/Catballs.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Guys like you, mate... You're damn hilarious. You come in and say something stupid, then when it gets replied to in some coherent way you cry "Oh no I didn't say it like that! Strawman!" Your half-ass commentary does no good, but at least you're speedy about it.

[.44 Magdalene]

Guys like you, mate... You're damn hilarious. You come in and say something stupid, then when it gets replied to in some coherent way you cry "Oh no I didn't say it like that! Strawman!" Your half-ass commentary does no good, but at least you're speedy about it.

I didn't say it like that. You can literally go back and read what I said, read what you said, and realize that you were responding to an imaginary argument.

I mean, it's one thing to pull something like this in a verbal argument, but when I literally posted the two statements for you to compare and realize that you were making shit up... well, your only excuse is your piss poor reading comprehension. Learn to read.


>>> LEARN TO READ.

>>> GET OVER IT.

[.44 Magdalene]

And yeah, not liking your generic characters is totally saying something "stupid." Brilliant!

[Kalyx triaD]

No, you learn to read! You learn to get over it! I win! Declaring it is victory enough, bitch.

[Kalyx triaD]

And yeah, not liking your generic characters is totally saying something "stupid." Brilliant!

Yeah it is, cause you're disliking concepts not characters. But I won't blow your mind today.

[Kalyx triaD]

>> Bitch <<

Ad hom, motherfucker.

[.44 Magdalene]

Lol, yes. Literally posting the two statements side by side and explaining to you what you did wrong is just making a statement of victory, and certainly not breaking down for you in explicit detail why your argument doesn't hold water. Versus, say, the >>> GET OVER IT strategy. Now you're falling into all sorts of wacky fallacies.

Don't like the concept or the character. BUT DON'T BLOW MY MIND, I don't know how much more of your inability to make a coherant argument without chasing windmills I can take.

[.44 Magdalene]

Again, I practically have to make you a goddamn series of charts, lists, and spreadsheets, and even then I think you'd manage to reinterpret what's clearly typed down on your computer screen as being the exact opposite of what it says.

[Kalyx triaD]

What argument? Not liking X-23? Mary Sue and all that?

You see, .44, we have opinions. Your opinion is appreciated, but when it aims to discredit me for whatever reason - we have an issue. "Nerds like you" and bullshit like that. Where's that shit come from? So yeah, I call you out as some spineless fence straddler who refutes for the ecstasy of it all. Something like BCWWF but more entertaining. Because you just keep going, man.

You and me... It's gonna be like this forever. An epic dance of great justice vs lolz, us switching sides at every whim. We can't fight it, it's law.

So shut the fuck up and fall in line.

[.44 Magdalene]

Lol sure